Sword and Scale - Episode 146

Episode Date: September 8, 2019

Domestic violence happens every day. It happens so often that as a society we’re numb to it. When Brandon Clark stabbed Bianca Devins in the throat it was just another case of domestic violence. But when Brandon posted the gory photo online taunting Bianca’s beta orbiters and then attempted suicide live on Instagram, the story Bianca’s murder took on a life of its own.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. We're located at the Seast Female and we're located a male that sustains severe injuries. He's been transported to a local hospital for treatment and currently in surgery. for treatment and currently in surgery. Hello and welcome to season six, episode 146 of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that the worst monsters are very real. So here's the thing. There's a lot of criticism out there.

There's a lot of people pointing fingers at things and just wanting to be right online. And that's unfortunate. Cause everyone's an asshole. Everyone's a piece of shit. You know it, deep down. Just accept it, deal with it. Move on. So, see ya, see ya on the twitter's bye It's a trope as old as time.

A jealous man kills his love interest because if he can't have her, no one can. It's fueled by this idea that all men are evil. All men are shit. Toxic masculinity is what they call it. But no one can deny that in this day and age there is a general sense of entitlement growing, a sense that I deserve what I deserve. And if I don't get it, then there's something wrong with the world. Young men these days are certainly not immune from falling into this way of thinking.

I'm sure by now you've heard the term in cell. It stands for involuntary celipid, and is often used to describe, usually, a guy who can't get any for all intents and purposes. Elliott Roger, who killed six people and injured 14 in Isleavista, California, and who we first talked about in episode 19 was a self-described in cell. He put up video after video on YouTube about how no woman would sleep with him, so they would all have to pay. Young men across this country, and seemingly more and more parts of the world at large, now hold these emotions as truths. They're truths.

Burning rage builds up when they feel like they aren't getting what they deserve, and they pitch a fit for lack of a better term. To say that, it's quite childish immature behavior is an understatement. But in a world of other entitled people, the immaturity gets normalized and the entire idea gets lost in translation. Blame it on the media, blame it on violence and entertainment, blame it on anything other than the new social era you're living in. One in which helicopter parents ask, no, demand that their below average child

receive a participation trophy for every activity they engage in. An era where no one is responsible for their own successor failure, no one ever needs to learn to fail, or the meaning of the word, no. The generation that followed mine is probably the first generation to have grown up in this protected childhood environment. As such, it has even fewer responsibilities and fewer hardships than we did. Parents want to give their kids the world.

They give them everything they want. All children need to do is ask. This is all fine and well except eventually they'll grow up and want something they can't have. An adult would accept the loss and move on. But to a child that has never had to strive for anything and is used to instant gratification, the rejection is too much.

We're surrounded by a generation of individuals that can't overcome normal everyday obstacles in a healthy way. When rejected, when they lose, they can't comprehend it. They can't deal with it. Their entire world view gets turned upside down. Children have tantrums, but young adults with stunted emotional intelligence, grab a weapon, and try to make everyone else see life from their perspective.

A perspective where they either get what they want, what they feel they deserve, or everyone else will suffer their wrath. Yudica, New York, sits at the base of the Adorondik Mountains in the Mohawk Valley. It has been a long time since Utica experienced its glory days. In the late 19th century, Utica was one of the wealthiest cities per capita in the United States. Largely due to its waterways and rail lines that passed through the town, Utica was able to support a variety of businesses, one of which was Savage Arms founded in Utica and awarded a contract with the British government during World War I to produce one of the first The M1917 Lewis Gun. With a combination of savage arms, other businesses, and the valley's thriving lumber and textile industries, its economic growth was unprecedented.

In the 20th century, however, the bullweevil epidemic destroying cotton crops and the migration of textile mills to the right to work southern states meant that Utica would see a decline in business and population. When the city struggled in the late 20th century to adapt to electronics and defense industries that filled the gap left by textiles. It soon saw companies like General Electric and Lockheed Martin leave the area too. While Utica saw its economy slow and eventually become nearly stagnant, the town did have something else to offer.

Centrally located in New York State, it quickly became a living destination for immigrants and refugees from around the world because of the low cost of living. Today, it's a diverse community with many nationalities, ethnicities, and over 15 spoken languages. This sense of inclusion started well before the 1970s, but was epitomized in 1978, when two local businesses, Utica Radiator and FX Matt Brewing Company started the first boiler maker, 15K Road Race. Utica Radiator, which has since become ECR International, dealing in heating and cooling products around the globe, and FX Matt Brewing

Company, the 4th oldest family-owned brewery in the US, and the 17th largest craft beer brewer in 2018, started the race in the spirit of community. The 15K race has been run on the second Sunday in July of every year. From 1997 to 2006, it was considered the largest 15K in the country, and still attracts nearly 20,000 runners from all over the world. The Nonfer Profit Organization expanded its focus since the early days choosing to promote the physical and emotional well-being of the community. This year, the 42nd annual race was held on July 14th, but it was the first time in memory where the race didn't start on time. While the community and runners from around the world were gathering for a good, clean competition, Police activity nearby postponed the race

for about 20 minutes. Earlier this morning, we received a call through dispatch regarding attempt to locate. In the early hours of that morning, the police received multiple calls about a man acclaimed who have killed his girlfriend and was threatening to hurt himself. The police department began an in-depth search for the couple.

During their search 911 received another call, this time from the man in question. The origin of his phone call was tracked to a street off Culver Avenue. we were directed to Post Street where we located a vehicle. About a half a mile from the start of the boiler maker is Post Street, a residential street that dead ends into a small wooded area. The very end of the street is barely wide enough for a single vehicle. The first officer on the scene spotted a lone black SUV at the end of Post Street. Beside the SUV was a single male. As the officer approached, the male attempted to take his own life by cutting his throat.

At that point, the officer engaged the male in conversation while holding him at gunpoint. Other officers arrived on a scene ultimately disarming the male and taking him in the custody. As the officers tried to talk the suicidal man down from the proverbial ledge, he laid down on a tarp that was placed near the SUV and stabbed himself in the neck. At this point, they still didn't know where the female was, but they had a clue. Brown hair protruding from beneath the tarp. When asked, the man confirmed that his girlfriend was under the tarp. When backup officers arrived,

they were able to disarm the man during a slight struggle. He was taken to the hospital and immediately into surgery for the severe self-inflicted wound to his neck. We located a deceased female and we located a male that sustained severe injuries. He's been transported to a local hospital for treatment and currently in surgery. The female is outside the vehicle and the male was located outside the vehicle. It appears that all injuries were from a sharp instrument, but right now we're still early in investigation.

While the investigation continued on post-treat, the boiler maker road race was eventually allowed to start. The call is unrelated to the boiler maker, but let's stop focusing on that for a few minutes and let's just wish these men and women all good luck. They're all ready to be about to be really hard for this. Ready? Woohoo!

Here we go. What a great vantage point right here. And Katrina and I did talk to a couple of racers just a few moments ago. They said it doesn't add to the anxiety of this little bit of a weight, but there they are. There they go! There they go!

Right down, call for rev. Come! Let's go they go! Right down Culver Ave! For those of us stuck on the U.S. customary units of measurement, 15 kilometers is a little less than 9.5 miles. Last year's champion, Gabriel Guillet from Tanzania won the race for the second year in a row with a time of 43 minutes and 36 seconds. Two hours and five minutes faster than the last person to finish. That is a pace average of four minutes and 41 seconds per mile, in case you're into this sort of thing. He ran the race faster than he had the year before, breaking his own record by four seconds. The news of a man murdering his girlfriend was in stark contrast to the spirit of the race and the spirit of the community. As the rest of the

runners trickled in, spectators lying the streets to cheer them on, as they followed the race route, the police followed the leads. But already, the news of the murder and attempted suicide was hitting local and regional media outlets. The 2019 Boilerm Maker is in the books and will get to our race coverage in just a minute, but first, a murder. A homicide stalling this morning's Boiler Maker, Udica Police are now investigating after they say a woman was found dead

outside a parked car on Poveraud. The following day on July 15, the Udica Police Department released a statement to the public with what they knew about the case. It reads in part. With respect to their relationship, it was learned that the two had met on the social media platform Instagram approximately two months ago. They utilized this as a means of communication primarily, and their relationship progressed into a personally intimate one.

They had spent time together and were acquainted with each other's families. On Saturday, July 13, 2019, the two had planned to go to a concert together in New York City. The information that we have received is that they, in fact, did go to the concert, arriving around 7.30pm. They left the venue and proceeded back to Utica sometime after. It is believed that some sort of argument ensued at the venue that precipitated the following engagement between the two. Sometime during the early morning hours of Sunday, July 14, 2019, the two arrived back in Utica

and proceeded to the Post Street location. The investigation revealed that the argument progressed until the mail produced a large black-handled knife and used this to inflict the injuries that caused her death. During this time, it is believed that it took and distributed photographs of the killing on the Discord platform. Members of Discord then viewed the images and posts and contacted the Utica Police Department. The press release named the two involved in the incident. The victim was 17-year-old Bianca Devons of Utica,

and the offender was 21-year-old Brandon Clark of Cicero, New York. Utica Police have released new details regarding yesterday's homicide on the city's east side. Victim Bianca Devins was just 17 years old and had just graduated proctor high school. Udica police are navigating a maze of leads, including many disturbing ones on social media where Bianca was a small-scale influencer. The traditional news media and the police were playing catch-up and the information they were gathering

was already tainted by a massive online community. You see, the story actually broke on Twitter. A journalist named Ian Miles Chong tweeted, a 17-year-old was murdered by an orbiter who knew her on Discord. I'm Ian Miles Chong tweeted, a 17 year old was murdered by an orbiter who knew her on Discord. I'm Ian Miles Chong. It seems like you're sort of like an independent journalist from what I gather on Twitter.

Is that how that works? I was for a while, but no, I'm with HumanEvents.com. Okay, and what is that? It is a magazine, you know, political magazine we talk about culture, politics, some entertainment. It's the magazine of Ronald Reagan, you know, the publication of Choice of Ronald Reagan. Okay. And so this is an established thing that's been around for a while, is what I'm trying

to say. It's been around for a while, but it's under new management. It's owned by Will Chamberlain. Oh, wow. Okay. That's interesting. And so you work for them in what sort of basis? As a journalist?

I am managing. No, yeah, yeah, I'm a journalist and I'm the managing editor. I see you post a lot about a lot of different things and I'm just about to go to bed a couple nights ago and I see this really sort of shocking tweet come through. And it had to do with the death of a young girl. That's right. Yeah. Bianca Devons. Can you tell me how you came across this story? How did this first come to you? It was forwarded to me by a friend on Discord, right? It was Discord. It wasn't really getting much traction. It wasn't really blowing up.

Not a lot of people were talking about it. But she thought, I would find it interesting. And sure enough, I looked into it. I was horrified at first. I was like, OK, this kind of hits home. It hits home. It's a girl who was popular on Instagram. Well, relatively popular.

I think she had like 10,000 followers or so. Which is, I won't say it's like the biggest deal in the world, but it's not nothing. And people were talking about her and I was thinking, OK, this could have been any one of my friends. This interests me in a way that I don't really enjoy. But I want to get to a story out. And people need to know about

what happened to her and how this is not like an abnormality. A lot of people are treating this as an abnormality. It can't happen to anybody, but the fact is that it can't happen to any one of them. It can happen to your sister, it can happen to your girlfriend, your best friend, it could happen to your girlfriend, your best friend, you know, it could happen to anybody. It was spread by word of mouth through discord at first. And then it made the rounds on, I think, fortune and some other, you know, forums. That's when people sort of talking about it.

The hashtag, IP Bianca was, it wasn't really trending on Instagram, but it really took off. That's kind of where it started because the guy who had murdered her, who had murdered Bianca, had posted what he had done on Instagram, where he made it an Instagram story and a bunch of her friends saw it. That's when they started tweeting about it or rather posting on Instagram about it. Discord is a free voice and text chat platform geared towards gamers. After Bianca's death, a picture appeared on a private server, one shared by Bianca and her friends.

The picture was of Bianca with her throat slashed open. Her body was slumped into the floorboards of a car with her head and shoulders resting on the seat. Next to her sliced neck was a large black-handled knife covered in blood. Her eyes were half open and staring blankly. The caption above the photo said, �Sorry, fuckers.

You're going to have to find somebody else to orbit. Those in the thread thought it was a hoax at first. A friend of Bianca's who was in the server shortly after the picture was posted was one of the first people to suspect that it was real. Here is Chell's in an interview with independent journalist Nick Monroe. I met her through an online community about three years ago. The online community was from R&K. The server we were in was called Sheep Village. Yeah, a lot of people know her from there.

A lot of people knew from that specific place that I know her. Like a lot of people are like telling me like, oh, blah, blah, you don't really know where you're just trying to cloud chase. And no, like I've known this girl for a long time. She was a sweet soul and then deserved a shit. The man who killed her, I honestly don't know much. He didn't post much. Wasn't really that active.

From what I saw that he posted, he had tagged Bianca in a few local murder suicide news articles, which was very strange and kind of concerning, but like everyone just brushed off like, okay, maybe he's just a weird guy. Yeah, that's pretty much all I knew. I just knew that she considered him her friend. That's it. She just thought he was a friend.

And he had a fascination with that shit. This person was not her boyfriend, he was not an ex-boyfriend. There are no signs of him being a stalker, I can't be a hundred percent like assure you that, but she wanted him to bring her and take her home from the concert, and I don't believe that Mia would put herself

in a situation like that if she felt like she was not safe at all. In the days leading up to her death, Charles described Bianca's behavior as normal. She was excited to go to the concert, she was trying to invite these girls and the server to the concert with her, which I'm glad they didn't go because they could have ended up getting killed too. What happened first, I had joined this chat and I was like, everyone was being really serious. I'm like, oh my gosh, what's going on. And then I scroll up and I see the image of her with her throat. And like I was like, what?

And then everyone was like, okay, like this might not be real. Someone might just just make me a hoax. Like we were all like in complete disbelief of everything. And then I looked at a picture of her compared to the picture that was posted. And the nose was the same. The eyebrows were the same. And I'm like, this might actually be real. And then the person who was with her and Brandon, the concert messaged me and was like, Charles, you know, any of Bianca's information. I think she's in danger, and I'm like, oh my god, that when he contacted me, he told me that Bianca had seen that they were being intimate and making out.

And he said that after they were doing that, that Brandon was upset. But that was ours prior to her murder. So I'm not sure if you let those negative feelings fester inside of him or if there was another motive, but that's the only thing that makes sense to me. And honestly, I don't think we'll ever know really what his motive was.

And I'm like, oh my God, oh no, someone in her server just posted a really awful picture and I don't know if it's her and then we both started panicking. And then basically everyone in the server just started to take screenshots and try to collect evidence and then we contacted her local authorities and someone who had written on Snapchat was able to find his location on Snap Maps and then sent them there. Allegedly, Brandon posted that picture to Discord. The others on the server took screenshots

and started their own investigation. Others, however, spread the picture to other servers and other social media platforms. Get posted her the gory picture in the discord itself, and that picture was making the round. So, you know, people who use discord, many of them use like multiple different servers. So somebody in there took the screenshot off the whole thing and shared it with other people.

So it got around that way, right? It got around from discord and then it went to 4chan, Instagram and so on. So you had multiple avenues where you could find out about this. Yeah, it started to spread pretty quickly. The Instagram, I noticed something pretty early on on Instagram, which was pretty disturbing.

There was some guy on Instagram. I'm trying to find the actual page now. But he had posted his own story with some pictures of the killer that had not previously been released anywhere else that I hadn't seen anywhere else. And this person was immediately sort of like docks on Reddit and they started trying to figure out who this was because they thought that the person running the

Instagram page was the actual killer Obviously that doesn't make a sense because the the pictures had the guys neck almost sawed in half Yep, he from what I understand the guy had actually posted those pictures on his own Instagram story He actually took pictures of himself trying to kill himself, right? According to police reports, the sirthus PD, they said that this dude was like, you know, threatening to kill himself and then he started cutting into himself and that he started to take selfies of himself.

And they were like wondering what the hell he was doing. So I think this was someone who followed him, maybe a friend or just some, you know, acquaintance who happened upon the story and took screenshots of it before Instagram could remove them, because when I checked it, Instagram had already removed all of his stories, even though his account was still active. One of his stories reads, There were also a few pictures of Brandon at the end of post-treat. One caption reads,

Thanks to everybody who was good to me. I'll miss you all. Another caption read, I'm sorry Bianca. Behind the caption was a green tarp on the ground with an obvious bulge underneath. In the foreground was Brandon's blood stained hand. Another caption read, ashes to ashes,

over a picture of Brandon's self-inflicted neck wound and a blood-soaked shirt, shortly before he was apprehended by authorities. He even changed this bio to like, he had his birthday. Yeah. And then his death date, right? He thought he would die. Well, he's not dead.

He's an hospital now. He also added the line. Just know I feel no pain now. A morbid curiosity exists in us all. I mean that's kind of why you're listening to this episode. This curiosity was something many people online prayed upon using the image of Bianca as some sort of lore to get likes and followers. I saw your tweet, I immediately thought,

I want to see the photo, and then I thought, this is, that's a really horrible thought. I kind of went to sleep. I went to sleep. I told my girlfriend about it. We both went to sleep. We woke up the next day. I get up, I go to the, you know,

brush my teeth, go to the bathroom. I just get on my phone and I start looking for the photo. First thing in the morning, I, and then I, I, I, you know, get out of the bathroom. I come back to bed and she's sitting there looking for the photo. I mean, like, again, it's human nature. It's curiosity.

There's a sort of like picture you draw on your head of what happened based on what you found out about the story. And you kind of want to get that confirmation or lack of, you know, that sort of like discrepancy so that you can put the pieces together in your head in a way that makes sense in a story that makes no sense. That's right, yeah. And, you know, like this can go as far back as, you know, since there was photography, right?

When Jack the Ripper killed his victims, people wanted to see the photos, right? That's the first thing. When, you know, that dude killed those nurses in that home, in what, the 60s, or was it 70s? Yeah. Everybody was just looking for the leaked photos. Obviously, this situation really hits home because what comes to mind when I hear about a young girl who uses Discord, who uses Twitter or Instagram, and she gets brutally murdered, the first thing that comes to mind are my own friends. This is something I've talked to about to maybe 10 different people, 10 different women.

And they all think the same thing. They're like, well, it could have been me. That's what they're thinking. That's what I'm thinking as well. It's like, that's why it's horrifying. They could have been any single one of them that some guy could have stalked them and done what this dude did to Bianca.

So yeah, you want to see the photo, but you also kind of don't. And you also don't want to split it. Which is why I never split a photo, right? Yeah. But bothers me because a lot of people like entered my DMs and they're like, show me the photo. It's like, dude, just go to 4chan. You know, if you really want to see it, go to 4chan, it's probably there on the front page.

You don't need to ask somebody for it. It's disgusting. A lot of people, you know, tried to bank in on the, the infamy, right? You have these accounts and I know that some of them, I posted some screenshots of these accounts. People were making new accounts, getting followers, posting the gore, and you know, lying to people and teasing them and saying, oh, there's a video if you

follow this private account. So that's how they got followers. Although there's no video to my knowledge, right? There's no video of him killing her. They tried to get people to follow them, you know, People who wanted to see the video. So they had thousands of followers. And I would speculate that obviously some of these people are just trying to blow up their Instagram accounts. While others were probably gonna sell the accounts later on, if they have over a thousand followers,

you can very easily make $50 if you sell it on, say, one of those hacker forums. All these lies, you know, what else is it? Her head, her being decapitated, no, that never happened. This getting posted on Instagram live, no. There was a story posted on Brandon's whatever, his Instagram, and it was just her bloody body. Nothing was posted. That was like a video. There's no video. Everyone's saying that there's a video to try to get you to follow. It's not real. Don't believe them. Don't give them the attention that they want and that they're looking for in the

follows and the clicks that they want because it's just sad. And people using her death to cloud chase, like, you're pathetic and you need help. The Instagram user known by the handle, I can't stop being sad, was one of the few people to see Brandon's story before it was taken down. In a live broadcast shortly after he posted the screenshots to his own story, you can hear his excitement over his moderate increase in fame. Who's Bianca? Oh Bianca, oh she died.

The air boyfriend did fucking kill her. It's insane. How did you have a branding guy? I just knew him some type of fucking way. You saw my colon reddit. You see this? We really? What the fuck?

That's so cool. No way. You have 7-18 people in this fucking life. Yo, what is good everybody? That's what I got. So many people in this fucking life. It's up. I'm super bait.

And you all want wanna join this live? My life is no way you serious. We're scary. Are you serious? Is it thread? That's fucking crazy. P.O. is someone showing me one of this threads or whatever. With each new viewer, his excitement grows.

19 people in this fucking live. I'm all over. with each new viewer, his excitement grows. Good everybody, 22 fucking people. During the live broadcast, he gets a call from a friend that explains what he's hearing from his viewers. So, some people think that he feels some mirrored, and I think that the wrong person, the ass is not me. Those girls can't even, why do they want to get me,

because I post the pictures? I don't know, they posted on fortune and ready. You can just start calling and start to be on the death. And it shows you as the person, you know you're alive, you know fucking baby. I need to look this shit up after this life. I don't want to lose this life at 20 people at the end. It's crazy because there's pictures of the girl

and then it shows the Instagram profile. It's on the source. The idea that people would cloud chase or exploit the death of a young girl to garner influence or money may discuss you. But so getting clout on the death of a young girl. Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean it's not different from what NBC did on Snapchat. They used their photo. It wasn't the gory photo, right? They used one of our nice selfies and had, let me see if I can dig it up. I have it saved here on my phone, right? I even tweeted it out and it bothered me so much. It bothered me more than these people trying to get clout from it because, you know, this is NBC.

Okay, it says here, snap original NBC news, stay tuned. She died and then Pixar for Body Were Posted Where? Like that's literally the snap, yeah. Disgusting. That's like clickbait shit. It is, yeah. And I watched a video, right? It's one of those like 50 second news stories.

And they get the details wrong. They call him her boyfriend, things like that. And they don't even, you know, they don't care about her, right? You don't even see it in like a horrified voice. It's more like, yeah, you know, like a girl died, and this is what happened to her, aha, you know, like that's how they reported it. So sensational, and it's disgusting.

This is when the internet took over. Countless people began to share the image of Bianca and delve into her and Brandon's background, looking for anything to make sense of what happened. Quickly, many alternative narratives arose. The narrative, the following day when I checked again, was all this sort of weird, misandrous, manhating commentary about how guys are all terrible commentary about how guys are all terrible dickheads, they're all in cells and you know, it was insane how quickly that narrative took over on Twitter. There were multiple narratives from what I saw, right?

You had the feminist narrative in which all men are blamed and some of my friends even posted this stuff, and these are women who are not feminists, who are sharing their experiences. And they got bashed by guys, by in cells, who took offense to them. So that's interesting. It's a very personal topic for a lot of people,

because they experience it personally, and they are thinking, this could have happened to me. This could have happened to my friend. So it affects them. So when I see the mis happened to me, this could have happened to my friend, you know, so it affects them. So when I see the misandrous commentary, I'm not mad about it. I'm not upset. I'm not upset when, you know, like, like I say, a 19-year-old girl posts about it because to her, it's a more personal thing, you know, she's talking about the bad guys.

She's not talking about the good guys. A deep dive into anyone's internet history can make them look pretty bad, but it's never taken in context. Bianca had an extensive online history that went back for years. What people found, they wrongly chose to use to define her. That's where these alternative narratives come in. But before we delve into this case any further, I think it's important to take a moment and define some of the terms we've heard so far.

And some were about to hear. If you're as old as me, you'll appreciate Ian here. Shedding some light on the internet, Lingo. I had to look up all of these terms that I'd never heard of before when I did this story orbiters. It's fun one. Oh my god, so many. E-thought, it's like there's a whole community out there that has its own language, that's

sort of been developed one meme at a time. That's right. I mean, you have a conglomeration of many different communities, right? The whole based thing comes from gaming, right? That's a gaming term. E-thought comes from like the, well, it's actually a gaming term too. I mean, it's the, it's the, an orbiter's, you know, like a lot of this stuff is like gaming related, right? And a lot of it isn't as well. So let's go through them one by one, because they're kind of

fascinating. So base actually comes from the whole game of game movement. I don't know if you sort of that one, right? I only found out about it when I was looking up your name and fighting a little bit of that I was like anti-game again at the time. So you know, you hear that I was pro-game again That's well as false. So I used to be a soul for justice warrior. Okay, actually enough. Yeah, did that feel good? It felt good doing that Yeah, I mean virtue signaling all the time. Yeah, but it felt fake too because it got really frustrating after a while because I would see a lot of my friends or not friends acquaintances, associates, whatever you want to call them. They wouldn't get mad about the dumbest things, right? If someone's

it re-e, you know, like the sound that the frog makes, they'll say, oh, that's a joke about autism, you can't say that. It's like, no, no, it's not. What are you talking about? So they get mad about the dumbest things. And I would want to call them out, but I couldn't. It's always something. It's always something. So I couldn't call them out because if you call them out, you get cancels. That's how it works.

Yeah. Heeded it. And so that's based. Based means grounded. It means not giving a damn about anything. That's a good thing. It's a good term. Orbiter is someone who usually, you know, not giving a damn about anything, right? That's, it's a good thing. It's a good term. Orbiter is someone who, usually, you know, you know, the reply guy thing on, you see on Twitter, you know, like, guys always replying to girls, right?

We've like the dumbest comments, you know, a girl posts a selfie and they're like, oh my god, it's so hot, you know, you're like smoking hot or whatever. Right. So you're 100 or all. You know, you can empty my bank account and I would enjoy it. You know, these are orbiters, right? These guys are orbiting around a woman, right? Yeah. Around an e-girl, so to speak. Right?

E-girl is, well, it's just a girl online, right? And most of them tend to be, you know, Instagram famous or Twitter famous, they pour selfies or gorgeous, right? So my friends are, you know, I guess you could call them e-grills. And depending on what you talk to, it could be seen as an insult, right? Because it's kind of demeaning, but it's also true. They get a lot of money for it, you know, like they have like a Patreon or like a PayPal and people just like giving them money.

It's weird. It's a thing. They do that. Yeah, like that's called pay pigs, right? That's what they pay. Pigs. Those are pay pigs. I've learned a lot

Nice. I've learned so much And you have the orbiters, you know, who are usually nice guys, you know, like some of them are even married It's weird. I don't know why they do it, but they do it, right? Maybe they think they can get with her They just like the female company Not all of them are bad people, but they are kind of pathetic, right? That's what you call them beta You know like betas as opposed to alpha, so you don't give a fuck. Right. So you got those guys and then you've got the in cells. Those guys are, well, they're

involuntarily celibate and they're mad about it, right? And now, it's not just like an insult that you call someone an in cell. I mean, you can't use it as an insult. You know, some people would, like, if they don't like me, they'll call me an in-sell, for example. I call people in-sells, maybe as a joke. But that isn't all it is, right? There's this forum, it used to be unread it. I think it used to be like what, brain cells or like in-sells, they had a few different ones.

They got banned. They self-identify as in-sells, and these guys, they hate women, right? Many of them would be orbiters and many of them are, like they stalk women, like many of my female friends have at least one or two in cells who stalk them, right? Just like any orbiter would, but they also send them like rape threats or death threats. They want to get a woman's attention,

but they're mad that they're not getting it, so they think they're entitled to it. As we've mentioned, a prime example of an in-sell is Elliott Roger. A more recent example is Alec Minasion, the perpetrator of last year's Van attack in Toronto who posted online, We will overthrow all the chads and stasis all hail to the supreme gentleman, Elliot Roger In cell rebellion believe it or not is a term that is interchangeable with beta uprising or beta male uprising I wish I were making all of this shit up. I don't mean to laugh But I mean yeah, these people are fucking ridiculous.

They're fucking insane. Right. That's what they are. And they spend way too much time online. That's the problem. They spend too much time bolstering their stupid ideologies. It's an echo chamber. They don't have any female friends. They think women are difficult to talk to. So when they see a guy like me or say you, you know, we are fine. We interact with him all the time. You know, we have female friends, whole cadre of female friends. They get irritated. They're like, they'll say things like, how can you be friends with this guy? He's such an asshole, right? So we get called chats. Here are a few more definitions according to incells.wiki.

A Chad is someone who can elicit near universal positive female sexual attention at will. A Chad tends to be between an 8 to a 10, has an extremely high income, and or an extreme amount of social status. I guess I'm a Chad. I guess that's what I am. He can have sex with a wide variety of women and has exclusive access to Stacey. Chad is not necessarily a male model,

but all male models are Chad's. A Stacey, you may ask, what is a Stacey? Well, we're about to find out. A Stacey is you may ask, what is a stacey? Well, we're about to find out. A stacey is the ultimate embodiment of every wicked depraved aspect of feminine nature. Oh wow. A stereotypical mean girl or cheerleader who is able to secure sexual intimacy with Chad. She is vain, obsessed with jewelry, makeup, and clothes. She is an entitled whore whose rich daddy funds her Caribbean vacations to go find herself. She entertains a flock of orbiters who shower her with attention and validation, only to

open her legs for Chad instead. Becky's, on the other hand, are subordinate to Stacey's, in terms of looks and social status. In other words, the average young woman, despite their lower position on the social totem pole, they will nonetheless ignore around 80% of men in their youth unless he makes more money than her. This sexual jockeying often puts them at odds with both each other as well as the stasis. When the internet collective began to scour through Bianca's extensive history

online, they found some things that were disturbing. Chat logs surfaced where Bianca didn't come off too well. She went by the name Xanx or Xans or Oxy. One thread where her name was Xanx, red. I have too many orbiters I can bounce back with twice as fucking hard. You know you mean jack shit to me. I can replace you in a fucking second, you are nothing. I was cheating on you anyways. Never cared about our relationship.

You were always here just a plan B. As a backup when I didn't have anything better to do. I used you. Another where her name is Zanse reads, I've had sex with six guys, including you. Another where her name is Zan, so reads, blocked number. You were literally nothing until the day we met. I could have replaced you in seconds. Yet another post where her name was Oxy reads, let me break it down for you all. I don't care what you think of me. Honestly I could drop this all if I wanted. But I like the validation because daddy issues. Am I using you? Sure.

Am I hurting them? Yeah. It may be out of selfishness, I know. But I do care about them. I help people when they're upset. And I check on them whenever possible. It's mutualism in a sick, weird way. I don't mean to hurt anyone on purpose.

I just want to love everyone and be loved by everyone, because I'm too introverted and anxious to do it in real life, even though I'm entirely capable of that." Her account on Telonym, an anonymous messaging app where you post the answered questions and messages revealed some disturbing content as well. Her account name was ECSTY or XC, presumed to be an abbreviated version of X to C. Her bio reads, case, kicks it towards you. How reckless of me. Lies down in a vulnerable position. Oh, no, looks like I dot, dot, dot. The bio stops there. Some of the anonymous questions reveal aspects of her past and the

things she deals with online. Keep in mind, this is an underage girl. Some of the Q&A is as follows. Can I buy panties from you, socks? As much as I would like the revenue, I don't think that's something I would be comfortable with. I masturbate to you every night. I just want to let you know, you're my favorite e-girl. Picks or it didn't happen, kind of sucks you changed or you're not safe for work vent account to a group spam thingy.

I really enjoyed the aesthetic. Aw, thank you. I got super paranoid so like, I don't know. I'll still be a hoe though, you know, the vibes. In parentheses, this is a joke in cells. You are honestly an awful person. Do you know how many guys you've led on and hurt? Offer what? What is wrong with you? This would have been relevant three years ago.

Another tell warned her of potential danger, oddly relevant after her death. You should have stayed off discord after you got banned. Going back is probably going to bring you a lot more problems in the future. Yeah, I get what you're at. Um, not really in servers, and I only have my friends added so far. Thanks for caring, and to be honest, I think I'll be okay. On her Tumblr, where she went by the username Switchblades, there was another example of eerie foreshadowing. The last post she made on the day before her death was a readily available meme and reads as follows. On July 14th, I will be shutting off my personal computer for good. My mobile phone will be disconnected and melted with thermite. I shall burn all my identification, money, and papers, then I will commence to walk eastward

into the rising sun." The rest of her tumblr account was filled with images of Japanese anime, emo culture, jewelry, black clothing, and macabre imagery, like a picture of a dark basement with the caption, scary dark place next to a sticker of Hello Kitty. Another image was of a shirt that said, straight out of Da Morgh, and another was a collection of knives, once again next to cute images, this time of cartoon bunnies and kittens. time of cartoon bunnies and kittens. Amongst her other posts is the question, a knife? Are you flirting with me? And multiple other images of knives, drugs, bandages, pink fuzzy handcuffs, and one simply saying, kill me. Bianca seemed to have an obsession with

sex and the dark side of humanity. I'm not surprised. I have friends or age who post stuff like that all the time. They're depressed, but they just depressed people, but they're not gonna hurt themselves. They're not gonna kill themselves. They might actually hurt themselves, but they're not gonna kill themselves, right?

I said, I don't believe they are. I think it's just like emo culture kind of a thing. It's emo culture. It's definitely emo culture. I don't put too much credence to it because I see it's just like emo culture kind of a thing. It's emo culture. It's definitely emo culture. I don't I don't put too much credence to it because I see it all the time. I see people post this stuff, you know, they'll say something like sad grill hours and then they'll say, you know, basically having, you know, fantasies about how they're going to kill themselves.

All right. I don't take it too seriously now. The two narratives that emerged were based on a myopic view of her life. There was the misogynist point of view where Bianca got what she had coming, citing her e-girl activity online as her asking for it. But if you're sort of a public figure and that's a long stretch to say something like, you know, this is a young girl with an Instagram. Yeah, with a following on online.

And you're putting that kind of stuff out there. You're the invitation for someone that's unhinged to come along and, you know, take you up on your offer seems very dangerous. It's very high. I mean, the chances are very high, which is why I Tell people I told my followers. You need to be more careful online You know, you can't just be posting stuff like this because you will invite the wrong people and even though it's not your fault You don't realize how famous you are, right? It's it's a dangerous world out there and there's a lot of crazy people who will hurt you because they think that they should and

It's sad, but that's kind of how it is. And it doesn't even take popularity, really. A lot of the women who reached out to me, they told me they had the same experiences that people were creeping on them. Some people have been obsessed with them for years now, and the police can't do anything about it. And they're not even that popular, right?

They have like a few hundred followers even. And there's always going to be some guy who latches onto them. Like, for instance, my friend, the one who showed me this stuff because it hit home for her, a guy was stalking her that she had met in a video game. They played a couple of games together, started talking, you know, became friends, and it was like a week, right? They've only known each other for a week. And one day she decides that she's, you know, she's busy. She's not up to

replying to everybody, right? So she doesn't reply to him for like a day. And he just flips out, starts sending her all these texts, which I post it. And some people kind of misconstrued that. I mean, they confused it for Bianca's texts, which they weren't. And this dude is threatening to kill himself, being like a super nice guy type saying that, I'm the kind of guy who would change your oil for you when you're asleep. I'm going to clean the house for you.

I mean, you're missing out on this. I mean, this is the type of people you meet online. When as soon as they get female attention, they act like this. And just today, I mean, some guy that she's playing another game on like the phone, saw her avatar and was like, I think we're best friends now.

It's like, no, you're not best friends, you don't even notice, you don't even know her name. What are you talking about? But that's what women deal with online. Then there was the misandrist point of view where Brandon was a stalker. Didn't know when to take a hint and murdered her because of in cell jealousy. Let's talk about her and her negative attention because there is quite a bit of that online that I saw. She was

a young girl. She was 17, but there was some incident that occurred maybe a few years ago when she was 14-ish around that age that a lot of people didn't like her for. Do you know anything about that? Yeah, like she, I believe she was like bipolar, right? So she had one of those manic moments where she was, you know, like guys were being clingy and you know how guys are online, right? So she had one of those manic moments where she was, you know, like guys were being clingy and you know how guys are online, right? They're really clingy whenever they get female companionship. So they were being clingy and she was like not having their shit. She was telling them off. She was saying, yeah, I used you for attention. I don't want

you anymore. I don't need you around. You're disposable. You're nothing to me, right? So she was posting a lot of this stuff online and to clear things up for her, it's not like she's a bad person. She was just going through a hard time. She had a tough family life. Her mom was in another hospital and she's got mental illness herself. And her friends were telling me about how

she kind of turned to drugs, but not the hard drugs that people are talking about, not that it would even justify her death because I saw some people saying, oh, she was addicted to oxy content, or oh, she did a heroine, and so she deserves to die. She's a waste of a human being. No, her username was oxy-something, right?

On-on. It was oxy, yeah, it was just oxy. Yeah. So, from what I understand, and this is something one of her friends told me, was that she did a lot of pot, and she did some acid, you know, because she just wanted to be happy. And you know, learning that made me very sad. This was a sad girl, right? This was someone who had a heart life who just wanted to be happy.

She wasn't a bad person, you know, she had friends, she was raising her two sisters, people clearly cared about her, and she clearly cared about people, even if she wasn't nice all the time. That's where the oxy thing from what I was told, she did it once and she threw up. But she took the name because, nickname stick, it was an event.

She did it with some friends with discord, and she didn't like it, and then she just started calling her that. So she stuck with the name. I'll say from my perspective on the whole ordeal, because I was there during that whole time, during all of the, you know, oxy trials, whatever. She was a mature, she was emotionally traumatized

from what I could see, from past events. She was acting out in ways because of it. And she has changed as a person. She has no remaining qualities of who she was then besides her positive ones. So the people who are trying to dig up old drama that happened two years ago,

when she was 14 to 15, that's pathetic. It's just pathetic. And there's no way justifies her being murdered whatsoever. And I think it's really terrible how people are using her death to fit certain aspects of their own agenda. Like some people were using it to like turn it into like a man-hating thing and some people are using it as like, oh, well, she was targeted because she's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but it's like, no, this was something that

happened out of pure jealousy. He alludes to that very clearly and the things that he says on Discord. So it's really sad that people are like twisting this. Independent journalist Nick Monroe conducted another interview after Chell's with a friend Bianca new in real life that lives in Utica. Caesar sheds light on her actual life behind the scenes of her online persona. It really was that and whenever those were involved things got bad But these men that people are talking about that she mistreated were older men praying on her That screen cap that everyone's been posting of her telling this dude to fuck off whatever it was He was some 20 year old praying honor and she would tell me these stories of these weirdos

She was 15 with a mental disorder. I don't understand how you think it's her responsibility to take care of herself, to keep herself safe around older men. There's people literally saying, oh, she deserved it, perhaps you treated me no matter what she did with men. These were older men, these were fully adult males.

I know how that is where the mental illness takes over, but she had remarkably good control of it. And if you weren't a shitty older man taking advantage of her, then she didn't treat you like that as far as I can tell, not a single example of that. Those examples that we have of stream caps are her literally talking to human scum. And I think that anyone, if there's going to be a point that blaming of people and talking about shit like that, I don't understand how you don't look at these older men praying on her and not get mad at them And so I'd say oh she was mistreating men. It's the most in-self thing I've ever heard

The other thing that I want to say is that it is also on the other hand, it's true. She made very bad decisions It's true that she was mentally ill. It's true that drugs have affected this, and it's true that I genuinely think she just didn't have much to do sometimes, and this was how she thought she was going to keep herself from being bored. I think that happens to a lot of people, but it is very true when you see these women on Twitter and Instagram saying, like, be careful around these guys. Some of them are making it out to be, you know, like men are scary, but some of them are genuinely saying, be careful around these guys. Some of them are making it out to be, you know, like men are scary, but some of them are genuinely saying be careful with these people and keep yourself safe and that's absolutely true because ultimately she had had bad experiences with them before and kept hanging out with them and I know that he had control over her through manipulation probably

she's through some amount of grooming and through those drugs. But ultimately, when you know a guy is bad, you have to not hang out with them. This is not the first time that I've had friends of mine that go, all he's kind of like this, but I'm going to go see him anyway. You all have to keep yourself safe. And the other main point is that people were acting, and this is the only thing that really bothers me is that people were acting like she was a terrible person and she wasn't.

Those screen caps that people are posting from her are old. She was literally 15 at the time. It's another post from her about her selling pictures or whatever, you know, basically CP. And somehow people think that we knew that. We did, somehow people think that we saw that page or whatever and we were just like,

we just kind of ignored it. We've all done stupid stuff when we were 15 and Bianca was clearly no exception. She liked the attention she got with her edgy comments online. Who doesn't? Every interaction she had online fueled her new persona, but she wasn't really that person at all.

With the news media reporting the wrong details, we are all still wondering exactly who she really was, how she knew Brandon and what really happened. It's kind of confusing because I mean, if you would have asked, let's say, okay, let's say something happened to you today, right? And the police were interviewing people that you know. If they talk to your mom, she'd probably give them false information, right? Unless you're like super close and you tell her everything, right? So that's kind of what happened here because according to my friends

as well as the police themselves, she only knew this guy for like a couple of months. He was someone in the area that she had met on either Discord or a dating app, right? Maybe Tinder, right? So he was someone that my understanding is that he insinuated himself into her family life but they were not dating, right?

So to people in her family, they would assume that they were dating because she was always online and he was the only guy who was around, right? That's why it's confusing and that's why it's conflicting. And I also dislike the narrative that, this was someone that she knew in real life because from what I saw, and this was done by some YouTubers, some people of a lot of clout, they were trying to dispel

the whole narrative that they didn't know each other. What they effectively did was kind of defang the fear that the genuine fear that people have of online stalkers, because they turned it into a domestic issue. So people stopped caring about it. Nowadays, when you hear that a guy has beaten up his girlfriend or that he might have even hospitalized her, no one really cares. It's not a big deal, but if you hear that a stranger from the internet might have done it, then suddenly everybody cares. It's terrible, but that's just how it is. So when I saw people,

or you know, when I see people saying that, oh, they knew each other in real life, I feel like they're trying to downplay it in a way, even if they don't really realize it, because people just stop caring. If it was just, oh, it was the boyfriend who did this, suddenly no one cares. And the only sensational thing about it is the fact that he posted it on Instagram. Well, it sort of plays to our biggest fears of the breakdown of the social contract of you don't just kill a random stranger

from the internet for no reason, that kind of thing. Whereas if you have a domestic violence situation, it's domestic violence situation, it's domestic violence, unfortunately, so common that it's almost like we just are bored of it. Being bored, yeah, that's right. Which is why I tried to do my best to make sure that that wouldn't be the narrative that stuck.

Calling him her boyfriend, for example, is something that he told the police. When he stabbed her and the police had him confronted with guns and stuff, he was like, I just killed my girlfriend. So they reported that as a fact, right? That's horrifying. If she was still alive, she'd be a guest at this whole thing. Brandon, apparently, she knew that Brandon was bad news, and she had had bad experiences with him before

He left her stranded once This is an important story to know I guess a lot of people think that we as her friends like weren't didn't get involved enough her I had no idea she messaged me on snapchat saying hey, can I get money for a ride back to Utica? I was like fuck no man figure it out yourself because I didn't know what was going on I was just like man I'm not just gonna pay you because you're too dumb to get back to you to come is like fuck no man figure it out yourself because I didn't know what was going on it's just like man I'm not just going to pay you because you're too dumb to get back to you to go I didn't know that she got because she she didn't tell me what actually happened

she just said that her and her friend were stuck there and that her friend like that she got ditched by another friend or something I felt a little bad a few minutes later and I said hey can really have an issue when you need to get home I will pay for you and she said no no, I already got it. But she never told me that what happened with Brandon had offered her drugs. And that was always how he got her to hang out with him,

even though she didn't want to, was offered a free drug. He'd drug her out, and then bad things would happen. Sometimes she didn't even want to do that. And she told me about this, I think. The last time I hung out with her, I pretty sure that's who she was talking about that she would she told me about this, I think. The last time I hung out with her, I pretty sure that's who she was talking about, that she would be some guy or whatever, and that

he would monitor the drink or liquor and stuff and then do other shit. And I was like, yeah, that's not good. And I mean, it's like, as far as I knew, I thought that this was because I had met some of her friends before. I thought this was like some of her fucking idiot friends that she knew from high school that weren it begs the question why she would still be friends with him. Well, the sad thing is, is leading up to what everything was good. And that last few weeks, she as far as I know, I think I've heard this actually from her family that she was finally off drugs.

When I first met her, she was heavily on drugs, and it clearly heavily affected her. That was how a lot of these men had control of her, was through drugs and through offers of drugs. It's such a cancer on society, and such a cancer on her life. You have no idea. But my main point again is she was a really nice girl, and it was really those drugs that did it to her.

But where do we go from here? That's a question I think everybody should be asking. Where do we go from here? Well's a question I think everybody should be asking. Where do we go from here? Well, obviously women should, you know, this is not victim blaming, but women should take care of who they interact with online. They should be quicker to block people. Not that that even stops some people.

Some people just keep stalking you, right? Go to the police and obviously the police need to take these things more seriously, you know. In a lot of cases, you go to the police, you report that they don't care, right? They're like, oh, we can't do anything about it until he actually courts you. It's like, that's not cool. You know, that something needs to be done and police force needs to be updated, trained and how to deal with these situations.

They need to be lost that prevent people from harassing people, you know, across interstate lines. For example, that could be a nice start, right? Because right now, if you're in one state and you start harassing somebody in another state, you can't really get into trouble for it. It's very hard to prosecute. So that's an issue. And I don't know.

Like, guys need to be more mindful of the stuff they say online as well. I mean, you don't want to be a creep, right? And I know this is going to come off as like sounding like kind of feminist and it's like saying, oh, teach rapists not to rape, it's not going to work, right? But I think people should just be more mindful of how they behave online. And they should also not be so dismissive of women

when women talk about these things. And then it's easy to get mad and be like, oh, this crazy feminist is ranting about men again. You know? I mean, it's easy. I think it's easy to generalize and stereotype. And that's the sort of, and it's a danger on sort of both ends here in terms of, you know, just because you're an attractive woman doesn't mean that every guy out there is going to rape you.

But at the same time, you know, you have to practice some common sense in terms of who you interact with. And from a guy's perspective, you know, not all women out there are crazy feminists just because they advocate, you know, being mindful and being aware of your surroundings is not, you know, letting creeps like this in your life. Exactly, it bothers me when most of my female friends are not feminists. They get annoyed when they see some feminist complaining about manspritting, and that brings up another topic. Feminists, the ones who call themselves feminists,

should maybe care less about the bullshit, like manspritting, who is that even hurt? No one, right? Women put their bags everywhere. So maybe stop talking about bullshit than no one cares about and actually talk about the issues that matter, the fact that women are stocked online. Why aren't they talking about it more often?

That is an issue that I think everyone can get behind. And like you said, if a woman talks about being stocked, men should be less dismissive of it. With all the information and narrative swirling around, we still aren't exactly sure what happened. We know she was a nice, sweet girl that had a history of mental illness and self-proclaimed daddy issues. Sure, she sought attention and affection online and heard a few people in the process. People get hurt easily these days after all. But did she deserve the rampant stalking of

orbiters? Did she deserve the creepy harassment and vitriol from frustrated keyboard warriors who just didn't like her? Didn't like the way she acted, didn't like the things she said. All of this eventually leading to something she in no way could have possibly deserved, an unhinged individual, taking all of this hate, all of this vitriol, and taking action with a knife. We're left with wondering what Brandon's real motive was. Was he just jealous? Was he just mad? Was he really just another in-sell? According to most everyone, she wasn't his girlfriend. He was just this

orbiter that festored with rage and killed her, then attempted to kill himself. Luckily, he sucked at it, he failed, and was taken into custody. A day or two later, he was released from the hospital and into the custody of authorities. And now, because of that, we will eventually have a trial, and we will eventually find out exactly what happened that night. That's right, Brandon survived his suicide attempt, despite the gaping wound near his aorta. He was a raindent court and charged with second degree murder and was offered a plea deal to serve 25 to life, but he refused and pleaded not guilty.

That means that indeed for Brandon, here comes hell. And no, there will not be redemption. We look forward to bringing you part two of this story. Once the trial has commenced. In the meantime, please, please, for the sake of the family left behind, please do not seek out the photographs. Unfortunately, they are still available and highly disturbing. That does it for this episode of Sword and Scale, part one of the Bianca Devons story. We'll see you in probably about a year for part two, but don't stress we will have plenty of episodes in the meantime. Until next time, don't be an in-sell.

I guess you can't help that actually, so don't be an in-sell. I guess you can't help that actually. So don't be an orbiter. How about that? And stay safe. Thanks for watching! you