Sword and Scale - Episode 157

Episode Date: March 16, 2020

Who do we blame when an innocent 8-year-old boy is brutally murdered in a stranger’s kitchen? In this particular case, fingers are pointed in every direction. The cut-and-dry cases of random abduction and murder are terrible and tragic, yet simple. The murder of Markie Mason, however, is anything but simple.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences Listener discretion is advised Tonight my son was murdered she picked my son up at 1010 my son was dead by 11 11. Welcome to season 7, Episode 157 of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals the two worst ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿ʻ‿ʻ ʻ‿� The depravity of man knows no bounds. We've built a system of law and justice in an attempt to protect us from reality. Many of us know just how vindictive, selfish, and petty human beings can be. We've experienced it firsthand throughout our lives. So the system we've built, layer upon layer, over hundreds, if not thousands of years, is intended to shield those of us that have the ability and soft control to keep an even

keel, to not delve into the darkness. The very fact we understand the depravity of man, and just how deeply it is intertwined in our nature, is the very thing that allows us to enact laws and punishments to deter it from showing itself. Those closely embroiled in the legal system, cops, criminal attorneys, judges, prison staff, they see the real horrors of true crime on a daily basis. They live it. There's no trigger warning for them. There's no skip a head button. For you though, the listener, there is. There are crimes that are comprehensible, crimes of passion, or greed, or revenge. Some of them are even labeled as senseless. A man being stabbed in an alleyway for a few dollars and lose change, for example. Although tragic, even these sorts of crimes can be understood

as the product of ignorance, or addiction, laziness, greed, or mental illness. But there are some crimes that are so truly incomprehensible that they do not fit into any rational category. Crimes where the victim is not only defenseless, but could not possibly be a threat to anybody. And the act itself is so cold, so brutal, that even the most demure citizen demands its vengeance and blood. The following story involves violence against children.

If you are sensitive to this topic, go ahead and hit that stop button, go watch some Disney Plus instead. This show isn't for you. Newcastle, Pennsylvania is known as the armpit of the state, located north of Pittsburgh. One of the first urban dictionary definitions of this place states, in addition to drugs, Newcastle, Pennsylvania also has fireworks and hot dogs. Newcastle, a place where people take the drugs, eat the dogs, and watch the fireworks. If you ask a native what they think of the area, you'll get a pretty different response. Those born and raised in Newcastle generally love it there.

The restaurants and shops, it's a great place to raise a family. Much better than Philly, anyway. Many of the native adults raising their families in the area grew up in Newcastle and went through the public school system. Older teachers in the school remember teaching their younger students' parents, for example. Pretty close knit.

The town isn't really very big and everybody kind of knows each other. So, New spread pretty quickly on July 8th, 2019, that eight-year-old Marke Mason had been brutally stabbed inside a home at 60 High Street in Union Township. What occurred in this home behind me late last night and early this morning is just hard to wrap your mind around. We know now that an eight year old little boy was stabbed multiple times inside the kitchen of this house.

And we know when the police got here, they said he was already dead. We also know that this all started with a domestic altercation inside that black car. And what happened inside that kitchen is just amazing. And it was witnessed not only by the seven-year-old child, but also by two other kids who were in the house at the time. One of them got out the back door and was able to go and get help.

Inside the Blue Gray Multistory home, the two boys who lived there, an eight-year-old and a fifteen-year-old, were hanging out upstairs playing video games when they heard sounds coming from the kitchen down below. They thought they were the only ones home, so when they crept down the steps, they saw an adult black male standing in their kitchen with a gun. They knew this man. He was a family friend. He yelled at them to go look for the magazine to the gun he was holding, and they obliged.

When the two boys came back downstairs, they saw this man, Keith Burley, punching a little boy over and over again. They soon realized that he wasn't punching. He was stabbing. They saw the blade of a pink camouflage hunting knife flash towards them in the light of the kitchen. Another small boy standing nearby was frantically throwing items at the man and trying to make him stop the attack. The little boy dashed out of the house

and away from the horrifying event the other children were witnessing. Seven-year-old Matthew Mason's spinly legs carried him down the streets of Newcastle. He ran as fast as he could from that house on High Street, where he had just seen his brother Markey being brutally stabbed on the kitchen floor, an unfair fight between an 8-year-old boy and a 43-year-old man. Matthew knew that if something like this were ever to happen, he had to find his father

He ran and ran hoping he could find his dad in time to save his older brother Markey I went downstairs. He was there and dead at me. I was throwing face time with my friend. That's on The car police and I did not time to do the address. I just threw my phone Matt was still hanging on to me and I did not time to do the address. I just threw my phone. Matt was still hanging on to me and I nudged him towards the front door. He was only gonna get help.

I wanted to save Markey. Berley continued to stab Markey Mason's lifeless body while yelling, die, die over and over. dying, dying, over and over. In the end, Little Markey was stabbed to death over 140 times. Marum Saddha and Mark Mason Sr. had two boys together, Markey and Matthew. They were married and are now divorced. We spoke with little Marquis's father, Mark Sr., and his stepmother Kayla, to get more perspective on just exactly how this she came to the United States when she was, I want to say 16 years old, her and her family moved to the United States.

And she got her citizenship, like she passed the test. I didn't marry her and she get a green card. She passed the test and got her citizenship. I met her in January of 2010, Mary, her in April of 2010, had a son tour in November of 2010, had another son tour in 2012 and divorced her in 2013. And when I met Marama, we did our thing, we had sex, she got pregnant, and she turns around and tells me, and her family here in Newcastle owns a restaurant and a couple restaurants, they're very well known. And she tells me, well, in my religion and my culture,

we can't be pregnant outside of marriage. While I was ready for marriage, this girl's pregnant, it's my girlfriend. Okay, let's get married. So we ended up getting married April 10, 2000, something like April 11, so I don't know, 2010. I didn't find out she cheated on me until 2013. And then I just like started finding out a whole bunch of stuff. I found out that she had kids after we got married and never found out.. I found out that she had kids after we got married, never found out. Then I found out that she was quite the pass around,

around Newcastle after I married her. Because I don't talk, I know everybody. Like there's people in Newcastle, I know everybody. But I don't associate with nightlife people, people that go to the bar, or clubbing, and stuff like that. That's who she is associated with. So when me and her bought a store together

and you know, we were both behind the cash registers and so forth and so on, just, you know, your intuition kicks in and you can pick up on conversations and what people's actions are around you. And I just knew that this woman is not the same person that she was telling me she was or making herself out to be, even two and a half years into our marriage.

You know what I mean? Like I was like, no, there's something wrong. There's this woman's nothing but a lie. And it turns out she's nothing but a lie. Mark and Marum soon divorced. And Marum took full custody of both boys. As time went on and Mark Sr. got remarried, the boys began to spend most of their time at their father's house, despite the fact that Marum had full custody.

They slept at Marum's house, but immediately went to their father's house after school every day. Just as Mark had found a new love and remarried, Marum began dating as well. She had a new boyfriend living with her. 43-year-old ex-con, Keith Burley. I called my sons one day on FaceTime and he picks up the phone. He says, hey, Mark, what's up?

I'm like, what's up? He said, you don't recognize me? I said, you look familiar, but it has to have been a long time since we've thought. And he said, what's out? He said, you don't recognize me? I said, you look familiar, but it has to have been a long time since we've thought. And he said, it's bud. Right then in there, like my heart sunk. I knew that my kids had to be, couldn't be around them.

I warned my ex-wife. I said, get this man away from my kids. He's light and fire works off in their room to wake him up. She told me to kiss my ass and my own business. I went to, and told me I was jealous. I went to my lawyer Me and my lawyer were taking her to court to have him kept away from my kids I knew what he was about two days or two days after my son was murdered on the 8th July my appointment was July 10th With my attorney the night of the attack Monday July 8th the weather was fair about 65 degrees

It was a typical cool Pennsylvania summer night Monday, July 8th, the weather was fair about 65 degrees. It was a typical cool Pennsylvania summer night. Marum was scheduled to pick up her boys that evening at their father's house. Like the night my son was murdered, she picked my son up at 1010. My son was dead by 11. On the drive back to Marum's house, a fight erupted in the vehicle between her and Keith. The two boys were in the back seat witnessing the whole event. We've heard multiple things. The news article says it started over who was going to pump the gas to her car. She says that it was over him grabbing her phone and other people have told me that she

was throwing his dead son in his face and calling him nasty names, very vulgar names. These were from her words, these are her words, it's in the news too. He told her he was going to take the boys. Her story keeps changing so that tells me it's not the truth. So I don't think we're going to get the truth until trial. Though they'd only been dating for a few months, it is clear in hindsight that this sort of fighting was not uncommon between Maurem and Keith.

It began beating her inside the vehicle in front of her children. The car pulled into a nearby fire station shortly after departing from Mark's home. Maurem jumped out of the vehicle to get help from someone inside the building, leaving her two boys in the car with Keith Burley. While Maurem was running away from the car, he took off with the two boys inside.

He took my kids and drove them approximately, I'm going to say two to three miles away to a woman's house that he knew and that he was carpooling with back and forth the work. So come into the house and you know he ate this woman saying that she didn't know him that well. But this man ran into your house and knew where your gun was. But couldn't find the clip to the gun. But you didn't know him that well. Keith Burley dragged the boys into his friend's home on High Street, but he couldn't wait any longer for the clip he requested of one of the boys who lived in the home. He for some reason felt the need to kill Markey Mason immediately, so he grabbed a knife

and began plunging it over and over again into the little boy. 140 times my son was stabbed. They just said that he just kept stabbing, stabbing, stabbing. And I guess it's on video because one of the kids was on a game system. They were on live. And that he was just standing there stabbing them, telling them to die, die, die, die. They said he was stabbed and the jugular was one of the first strikes, so he didn't suffer. But he just kept stabbing him and saying die.

Marke was buried in a sweatshirt to disguise the many wounds to his neck area. The mortician did a well enough job covering the gouge on his face that they were able to see Marke one last time at an open casket viewing. Okay, my son got picked up at 10, 10 at night. Nobody was in the car, put the kids in the car, she left. I didn't find out my son was murdered until the next day when I chased a cop down. Well, I got a message from my kids who's dead at 5, 30 in the morning to call

morale because something happened to her and she was at the hospital. So I got a hold of my kids' dad and Mark started looking for the voice. You left the house. You didn't go to work. You left the house at like 5.45, 6 o'clock because we thought that she dropped the voice off at a babysitter's house because that's what she was known for. And Mark started driving around looking for him. He went to the hospital. The hospital was on lockdown. They wouldn't tell me anything about her. Mark was told that she got beaten up, but no kids were there. So we started driving around looking for them.

And then I found out, a friend of ours called us about a stabbing in Union. And Mark had heard that Maram was in Union. So I called her and read in the article and it said that Keith Burley had been wanted for stabbing a seven-year-old. So he tracked down a cop at the same time and the cop told him,

Marky, you had passed away as I got a Facebook screenshot. We didn't hear from Maram till two o'clock that afternoon. We went to police station.math you, then we went to therapy and stuff. We heard from Maram at like two o'clock, we had to fight with the coroner. They wouldn't let us see Marky. I had to make the funeral arrangements.

Nobody had heard from her at this point. We found out that she was released at the hospital at 3 a.m. And new marquee was dead at 3 a.m. He died 45 minutes after she picked him up from us No one personally approached or called Mark Mason to tell him his son had been murdered. He had to find out on his own by chasing people down. Listen, he was because they had took my other son, they took him to the Union police station and my son there was all there all night by himself with Appdo

and they kept telling Appdo, because Appdo didn't want to take my son and they kept telling him, we'll get a hold of his father, get a hold of his father and they wouldn't come get a hold of him. My phone was broken at that that so nobody could call him. Abdu, Marum's brother knew he could call Marke's stepmother to get in touch with Marke's father, but he avoided that. He avoided telling Marc Mason's senior at all costs. I heard this, Bruce somebody, but I heard that when the cops came in and sold her that Marke was killed, that Marke had died, her only reaction was, oh my god, his dad's

gonna be mad. Didn't cry, knew nothing. He barely showed emotions through the whole funeral process. Because you're sitting there more worried about what her family and everybody else thought about her than what the situation and past, that's why. I want everybody to know that my son fought him. He just wasn't strong enough. How can an eight-year-old fight a 43-year-old man

what a night? Mark is endlessly proud of his younger son, Matthew, for taking quick action during such a traumatic event. But you tried, and you got away, and you threw a chair at him. I'm so proud of you. My kids, I did everything I taught them to do. I told them if anything like that ever happened, Marke, you protect your mom, and you protect your brother.

And Matthew, you're running at help, and don't you stop running into it, you protect your mom and you protect your brother. And Matthew, you're running at help. And don't you stop running into, you find somebody. What did you say to the people when you found people to help you? What did you say to them? I think I'm a part of a heart. My brother got hurt. Yeah. Music Music Music Music

Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Guys, I have the special honor of inviting you to my group, Finding Love in Prison.

It's for everyone in here who would love to support my journey and get my happily ever after with Mr. Christopher Watts. Thank you. That post, one of many by what can only be a very disturbed young lady, is posted in a Facebook group called Chris Watts, a Cuse Killer of Shenan Watts and Children. Other posts by this same person include... So Chris wrote me back fast. He said he's willing to leave Anna for me.

I knew I had a chance. And Chris wants me to have his babies. If memory fails you, Chris Watts is the man who strangled his pregnant wife, some other to his two daughters, four-year-old Bella, and three-year-old Celeste, and then dumped their fragile little bodies in an oil tank on his remote work site in Colorado. I think Jim Morrison probably said it best. People are strange. They're known to make nonsensical decisions. One of these strange things that people do, and also probably one of the most interesting, is the phenomenon

of those women who seek relationships with incarcerated men. Typically these aren't white collar criminals, they're violent, horrible crimes, including rape and murder. Yet the phenomenon is so widespread that there are even dating sites for women to meet inmates. Ma'am Siddha and Keith Burley had been dating and living together for just a few months, but they had been communicating long before they ever met outside the prison walls that Keith was being held in. Before he got out of prison, Marum had never met Keith in person,

but Mark Mason was all too familiar with Keith Burley. Very aggressive when we were juvenile, him and my brother were in a facility together. He used to come over my house when we were younger. He was always psychotic. He always had problems with them always. Keith Burley had been in prison for almost two decades when Marum Saddha started exchanging letters with him. He went to prison 20 years ago for murder. He shot the dude in the back of the head.

Burley was sentenced to 20 to 40 years in prison for the robbery and third degree murder of a man named Randall Stewart back in 1999. He only served the minimum sentence before he was released on parole just a few months before he murdered his girlfriend's young son, Markey. You gotta love that prison reform, right? Just let everybody out and wish for the best. He got a 20 to 40 year sentence and got out on his minimum

after stabbing somebody in the penitentiary. So many misconducts against assaults against guards and mates, so forth and so on. But what I also heard was that Matthew Manginino, who was the district attorney at the time, and Keith Burley's dad, Keith Burley, were very good friends at the time and came up with a binding plea agreement that no matter what, as long as his son fled guilty, that he would get out in 20 years so his dad could see him outside again. All of what Mark Mason told us regarding Keith's

plea deal is speculation, but it does beg the question. Why the fuck did the Pennsylvania parole board let this clearly, violent, unrehabilitated man out of prison after serving just the minimum sentence? Multiple times I told her, I tried, I said, listen, this dude's bad news, I don't want him around the kids. Told me to my own fucking business. the minimum sentence. And maybe he was, but you don't say that after he murdered your son. Marum Sada is a victim in multiple respects. She may have been a victim of Keith Burley's domestic violence against her,

and she most certainly is a victim because of the loss of her son. We have to wonder though, as the rest of the Newcastle community has contemplated, why a mother would bring such a dangerous man around her children to begin with? I mean, there has to be some accountability there. Not only was Burleigh a very new relationship for Marum, but he'd just gotten out of prison for murder a few months prior, and she immediately allows him to stay at her house with her boys. Not long after Marke's death, Mark Mason got word that Maurem had begun speaking to yet another well-known killer from the New Castle area, who is currently being held in prison

for his crimes. Apparently, it's an addiction of sorts. They allegedly correspond via letter. My wife found out about it before I did. My brother is in prison here in Pennsylvania right now. And after, you know, he called and I explained to him what happened, my smart, he was murdered, he did it. And he was like, what do you mean, he did it?

I'm like, yes yes she's talking to Keith and like three days later he calls me back and he says dude she's talking to Caitlin Stewart too. I said you're kidding and he was like no I just put like Caitlin Stewart's in the same prison as that. There's pictures of my kids. All over here. Yeah. This sort of thing isn't as uncommon as you may think. Meet an inmate.com. Write a prisoner.com and jailbabs.com are just three of the many websites aiming to facilitate relationships

between inmates and those walking free. Prisoners pay a fee to be listed on the site, and those perusing websites like these have their pick based on photos and bios, similarly to what you would see on a traditional dating website. Because they can't simply text or FaceTime or go on a date or really do anything. The way many of these relationships begin is through old school letters. An art that's been forgotten in the digital age. One that some women may find more romantic. It's not a secret that some of the most notorious killers in history are the most popular when it comes

to prospective lovers outside the prison walls. Lyle Menendez had married two of his pen pals. Both were women who did not know him before he and his brother committed their famous crimes. Charles Manson became engaged to a young girl in 2014 just a few years before his death. And Richard Ramirez, the night stalker, probably the pimp daddy of all serial killers, landed himself a magazine editor, with whom he had a 15 year marriage. Oh, let's not forget Ted Bundy, that hard throb. To better understand the psychology of a woman seeking a romantic relationship with an

incarcerated man, despite the dangers he may pose, we spoke to Dr. Mark Wynton, a professor in the Department of Criminal Justice at the University of Central Florida. I am an associate lecturer of criminal justice at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, Florida. And I've been with the Criminal Justice Department at the University for 20 years. And prior to that, I was with the Sociology Department for 10 years in different teaching capacities. So, I've been teaching probably about 34 years or so.

Before I went into teaching, I a forensic mental health counselor and I worked child abuse and sex crimes against children and I did that for four years doing research, interviewing perpetrators, and victims running treatment programs. I teach courses on hate crimes, genocide, serial murder, criminal profiling, and I teach a crime in America which is kind of overview of criminology, course, law and social control policy analysis. I teach a lot of our courses, but my main focus is on violent crimes. We discussed a particular study with Dr. Witten, one that explored the personality traits of women who seek out relationships like the ones Marum Siddha found herself in.

There isn't a whole lot of research on this topic, but this particular study gave great insight into the phenomenon. Yeah, they had 89 cases from Mettwollen carcerated dating site, and this is the study Slava Kova and Panta, the characteristics and personality styles of women who seek incarcerated men as romantic partners, survey results and directions for further research in the journal Deviant Behavior and back in 2014, which probably was one of the best studies I've read on the subject, one of the few and I glanced over a few dissertations that were excellent as well. But I think really this is the major study that I found from journal articles.

The scholars who conducted this particular study sought to understand the similarities and differences between the women involved. They wanted to know if there was some sort of common thread between women who gravitated towards prison relationships. There were some slight differences on a few measures, you know, on personality measures, but I think to kind of sum up the study that it seemed like these women were normal women from just all kinds of walks of life, nothing quite unusual. You know, one of the inclinations is to say, well,

there must be something. One of the things they did find that I thought was interesting that they looked at that the respondents had a history of previous victimization. So they were victimized, physical abuse, sexual abuse, domestic violence, and they also had family members that had been involved in crime as well. But as far as having mental disorders or engaging in criminal activity themselves, they were no different than the general population really.

This may come as a surprise. There was no obvious trend in mental illness among these studied women. That one kind of shocked me, actually. But they did have some other interesting similarities. And a lot of women have history of victimization and family members involved in crime. But that don't become intimately involved with prisoners. And so there's so many different things here that got me the first thing is I wanted to be very careful not to be judgmental because I find that a lot of times when we're talking about this subject matter, there's a move that people,

some people will say, well there must be something wrong with these women, why would they want to have a relationship with a serial killer, where someone in prison, someone that may never get out, someone who may get out, someone that may never get out, someone who may get out, someone who may have a history of violence and so forth. One of the things I read was that it suits their needs, their relationship script, you know, it works for them. And so I don't want to be judgmental and say,

well, it's dangerous, it's a bad idea. No, I'm not going to do that at all. I'm not going to say anything's wrong or right with this relationship, talk a relationship bad idea. No, I'm not going to do that at all. I'm not going to say anything's wrong or right with this relationship, talk a relationship other than to say it appears to work for these women. And if that's the case, then it would be interesting to study where it works in the long term and where it's satisfying. One of the features was that these women seemed to enjoy the control and power they had over the relationship.

And when you think about it, that makes sense, right? They really have the control and power in this relationship, which is kind of strange when you think about a person who committed, let's say, murder, they obviously had control and power in their criminal activities. But now, the rules have changed in that power dynamic. In this study, the findings showed that half the women survey reported that they came from tents or chaotic households, and over three-quarters of the women reported that they had a domineering father and a submissive mother.

On top of that, almost 90% of the women claimed they had a similar pattern of this dominance and submission in their prior marriages and relationships, where their husbands were either emotionally or physically abusive, and sometimes both. If there are drawn to abusive people and then they're drawn to men that are in prison that were abusive. They can't really be abusive while they're in prison toward their, their mate given the incarceration circumstances. So they may be very nice and polite to their partner or spouse or their intimate other. You know, they're not going to be physically abusive because of the constraints of the prison

and if they're become verbally abusive the woman could end that relationship without the fear of repercussions or physical violence occurring and i think a lot of women who get involved in these relationships don't really want to tell every run because there's a stigma associated with it unless they're doing it for fame one thing that boggled my mind is I live in the town where we had the Casey Anthony case.

You know, the tragic case of the young child who was killed, the mother was found not guilty of that, of course. But in that case, people would come up to me and ask me if I could get them into court so they could see the trial. Like if I had some kind of magical pull in getting people into court because I worked in the criminal justice department at the university and I said no, no, I can't help you out, no.

And then what boggle my mind is so many people wanted to go watch that trial. I do everything I can to boy going to court. I did that in my younger days and I never want to go to court again if I could help it to testify in any cases let alone watch any cases But there's just that fascination. I asked people I said why do you want to go wait like four or five hours in line to watch this And they said they wanted to see her they wanted to take a look at her being the same room with her And I kept thinking you know to me maybe because my mom's a little bit different because my background of training i thought why you know and i try to understand that there must be

some attraction to that i mean personally i could care less if i saw kacy anthony or not we obviously can't say with certainty whether mara mcnighted this relationship with with Keith Burley out of curiosity. Maybe she wanted to pick his brain and understand the mind of a killer, or whether she just has a deeply ingrained attraction for the bad boy type. The most common manifestation of these types of relationships tend to be ones that exist entirely while one party is incarcerated and the other is free. The sense of control the women feel over their incarcerated partners

is a huge factor. These women don't ever have to worry about where their partners are or what they're doing or who they're with. They know exactly where they are. They don't have to worry about cleaning up after them, doing their laundry. Many of them only allow their partners to see one angle of their lives. Perhaps some are banking on their lover never being released from prison. Almost like a pet you keep in a cage. I don't know if there's a particular personality. I think there's just something that these women find very attractive in certain men and they go for it.

You know, one of the things that comes to mind is the bad boy image that, um, certainly years ago and I was doing research, I noticed that sometimes, you know, that men would try to put on this hypermasculine, tough guy image at nightclubs and bars and the like, because it seemed to attract certain women, maybe repulsed others, but it attract some. And so I think it's a strategy that's used in relationships. For Maurem Sadaa and Keith Burley, things were a bit different. She corresponded with him via letter, not having known him outside the prison walls. And it's not clear whether she knew he would be getting out of prison so quickly.

But when he did, she was swift in allowing him to move in with her. The parole officers, they check you once a month. If you're on extensive parole, they check you twice a month. Other than that, you can do whatever you want. You don't have to, I mean, you've got to curve you, but how are they going to know you ain't home? Why? Once a bad boy is what it is.

That's what she wants. We've had, Mark's had to run many men out of her house. It's so bad her family disowned her. She can't go to her family's restaurant or anything. Throughout our whole separation that me and her have been separated, like she has dated people. She's called me and said, this dude's giving me a

problem and won't leave. I've gone to her house and have thrown in a police officer out of her house. You've gotten three times that's we've been married. Throwing a police off. Well, he got a gun. I don't give a fuck about no gun. And you're not going to call

me on this dude Frayton you you call me when a cop what the gun is telling you he's not leaving Off dude you call it's telling you that he's not leaving your house. This you call me I go out there. I make this dude leave but you won't call me on this other dude And you tell me because I'm afraid he's murder you, but you're not afraid. He'll murder your son me because I'm afraid murder you, but you're not afraid he'll murder your son. A man that was in prison comes out of prison, you have to prove yourself and then my eyes, you have to prove yourself to have any type of other people's kids around you, a girlfriend and just like anything, 20 to 40 years for murder?

No, you just don't come out and automatically be trusted. Well, evidently, in moronsized you do, as long as you've got, you know, a criminal record in your dude. Yeah, there's one more thing I wanted to mention, and that it's kind of an afterthought, but there is a disorder, a parapheria, which is unusual sexual behavior practice called hybristophilia, hybristophilia, and that is where a person becomes sexually aroused from being with a known person who engages in violent or horrific crimes.

The cases that I've reviewed in these studies don't really point towards that particular situation. For example, I read a couple of articles and it just assumed that anyone who was attracted to these don't really point towards that particular situation. You know, for example, I read a couple of articles and it just assumed that anyone who was attracted to a serial killer had this high-risked ophelia condition, this parapheralia, this mental disorder, if you will, and I'm not sure how common it is, but the cases that reviewed here, that doesn't appear to be motivating factors. I think that's important to point out, because once someone finds out there's a disorder, people start looking for that disorder. I looked and I didn't see it,

in a lot of these cases that I read about. I just mentioned that to point out it's there, but also beware of using that as a label, because I think my opinion is that it's probably relatively uncommon overall. And I wouldn't want people just thinking well everyone who's involved with a prisoner must have this disorder, someone with a violent prisoner, and that's not the case at all. So we can't be certain whether this disorder,

Hiberstaphelia, was or was not a motivating factor in the ignition of this flame between Keith Burle and Marum Sada. But when someone is willing to put their children at risk every single day for the sake of a romantic relationship, we can't help but wonder what could possibly be so valuable about this man and what he has to offer. Marky, explain to us your drawing because your brother yesterday got me a happy mother's day camera. What is this? Style. Days are two people holding a mother's day.

And there's a monkey riding a tricycle, right, riding a camera. Mark, he changed my life when he was born. He was my first born. And you know, we had that bond from day day one, you know, father son bond. He was so smart. He was so far more advanced than other kids his age and around him. Absolutely loved life. Love life, love life, love fishing. Corkey. Corkey. Very corkey. Anytime you call us and then you know how somebody's walking away from you, like, hey, Joe,

and they turn around and could, because you got their attention, he'd turn around with a look on his face. You know what I mean? Like a goofy look on his face. Every time we would stand around and take a picture, he had that, he'd be the one with a goofy look on his face. And we'd have to take it over again. But in the same sense, he'd be the first one when something serious was going on in our

family. He knew that something serious was going on and he knew how to, you know, take that. He knew how to make other people feel more comfortable. And he just loved life, period, man. He didn't even deserve it, man. Immediately after, he killed eight-year-old Markey Mason on the evening of July 8th, Keith Burley tried to find Matthew, Markey's brother. He wanted them both dead.

Thankfully Matthew had already found an adult, and the police were on their way to the home on High Street, where Markey's lifeless and bloody body remained on the kitchen floor alone. By the time police arrived, Burley had already fled, and a manhunt was underway. Keith Burley's face was plastered onto television screens in all of the nearby counties. People knew what was going on, and they knew who to look for. An active search right now, Shannon Catherine, and we talked with the public information officer for state police out here in Newcastle

and he said it's devastating. This is a heartbreaking case, especially when it involves a child. Now here's the thing, the suspect in this case, is actually the boyfriend of the victim's mother. So it is very, very trying. But I want to show you his picture this morning. Take a look right here and remember this face.

This is the suspect once again. He's considered armed and dangerous. His name is Keith Borley and he's 43 years old. He's wanted for stabbing his girlfriend's child to death. Police say he has a history of violence. If you see him, of course, don't approach him. It didn't take long for a call to commend claiming a sighting of the killer.

I see him and his stature, his beard, everything, resembles a friend of mine. A local man who asked us not to show his face claims to have spotted Burleigh early yesterday walking near Erian Warren on the city south side. A short time later, he realized who he had seen. I was sitting with a friend on Facebook, and I've seen you guys as a post of the guy

that was looking for that, and he was killed a child, and I told my girl I said, I'm 100% dead, Tim. He hadn't gotten far. He was found in Youngstown, Ohio, only a half hour drive from Newcastle, where the murder occurred. US Marshals apprehended him after this call came in. That's the guy that did it.

I think he's walking the pork district on Youngstown on the south side, but he just passed A.B.C. Fire, Stinger here. I wanted to make sure I did my duty as a father and, you know, as a part of my community to get someone dangerous like that off the street. Heath Burley was immediately extradited back to Pennsylvania and is now awaiting trial. The district attorney is seeking the death penalty in this case. A case which truly shows the full and complete depravity of man. A case that demands

the most extreme punishment we've ever created in this legal system. A system meant to deter this depravity, to keep it from showing its face, to protect the rest of us, the ones who have the self-control, to keep an even keel, and not delve into the darkness. Markey Mason's brutal murder has affected so many people. It's hard to even imagine all of the issues

as little seven-year-old brother will now have to work through in order to have a normal and happy life. See your brother brutally killed when you're just seven years old and then run for your life. It's something unimaginable to most of us. The woman whose house hosted this awful event and whose children witnessed it. Most uprooted family in order to move past what has happened.

She's proud of her 15-year-old son for how quickly he responded during the crisis, but given that their home has now become a murder scene, she and her sons have been forced to stay in hotels, and understandably they don't plan to go back to that house. ever again. He did a wonderful job saving little Matt and his brother, Thomas. My heart just aches for her. It really does. I could not imagine going through something like that so horrible. I will be looking for another home. My kids can't go back to that.

I wouldn't force them to go back to that. That's just too much mentally. Mark Mason's senior has been forced to make some big changes to his life too. His number one priority is his remaining son, Matthew. I quit my job like, well 12 I was a truck driver and like my main focus is my son, Matthew now. Until he's ready and this trial is over, my main focus is my son and keeping him on track. I live in Newcastle, he goes to Shenango, they let me bust him back and forth to school, so that's a good thing, just to try to keep him in the same environment he was last year.

And I put him in with the same teacher Markie had in first grade, so that helps out in case he has an episode at school. Sometimes I can just look at him, and I know something's on his mind, you know what I mean? Just by the way, he's sitting there with a look on his face. But when this first happened, all it was horrible.

Me and him didn't sleep at night. He wouldn't go into the other room without me he was just very detached from everybody but mark very detached uh... and man and talked a lot so i know a lot about what happened inside that house you know from what math you told me and i'm just waiting for trial

for this all to come out before i really say something because i don't want to say something and then jeopardize the case. So who am I to sit here and teach my son? Your mother did it. This, this, and that. You're not allowed around her. This, this, and that. When I still have a seven-year-old son that loves his mother, I look at it completely different than a lot of. Don't get me wrong. 110 percent, I blame moron for putting my kids in that position and for my son's murder.

And the same sentence, I still have a son who loves her and that's who I'm mostly protecting. Mark now has full custody of a son Matthew, but fears that the situation could change in the future if Marum seeks custody once again. It's a state of Pennsylvania, so it's a commonwealth and I can guarantee you as well known. Mark my word, I said this on 1015 that if she ever takes me back to court for custody of Matthew, this court system will give my son back to that woman. When I couldn't get the courts to listen to me from her actions and all these dudes she

was bringing around my kids, I taught my kids. I said, Mark marky anything ever happens, but you know what to do right and I taught my kid I said marky you fight you protect your mummy you protect your brother and you fight I said math you you running get help and you don't stop until you find an adult and you get help and guess what my kids did that Night they fought my son fought that son of a bitch. My son couldn't fight a psychotic asshole with a knife though. But my son would have took it to ask whooping and my son would have took a healing.

My other son ran and got help. Exactly what I taught my kids to do. The question that may be lingering in your mind about this case probably has something to do with motive. We know Keith Burley and Maurem had gotten into a fight in the car, but why would he go after her children if he was mad at her? To some of you with kids that have been in a toxic relationship, you may understand, to most of us, it doesn't make any sense. But to most of us, it doesn't make any sense. This is one of those crimes that is incomprehensible, where the victim is not only defenseless,

but purely innocent. But it's clear that if you could attribute any motive to this crime, it would have been rage and vengeance. You see, Keith Burley knew what it felt like to lose a child. Before his son was murdered, Mark Mason had hugged Keith in the front yard of his home to comfort him after the loss of his son, taken from this world by a drug overdose. Keith Burley was all too familiar with the depth of pain that is inflicted upon your soul when you lose a child, and he wanted, marim, to feel the pain that he had felt. He wanted to inflict this pain on her after she had so severely enraged him that day.

Anybody to come across my son, you can't find nobody to say anything bad about him. He always helpful to the kids, always respectful to the teachers, always had his work done. A straight A student, always willing to help other kids. He was just like everybody loved him. Everybody loved him. And I think that's why he killed Marky. And honestly, if my son don't want no ran, I think he'd he'd killed him both. And he went after Marke specifically because a marky's probably the one that stood up in his fucking face and told him fuck you, you know what I mean? And Marke was big. I don't know if you can tell in his pictures for a year old.

I can wear his clothes and I'm a 28 year old 115 pound woman and I could comfortably wear his clothes. Marky was Maraum's favorite. Yeah, like she would always say tell Matthew, well you got to do it like this because Marky does it like this and Marky's so good, why can't you be more like marky so you used to always do that and would drive me fucking crazy death of an eight year old the new castle has prompted a state lawmaker to call for changes in the parole process state rep air and burnstein wants inmates who've committed violent acts in prison to automatically stay incarcerated longer his bill is called marky's law for Marky Mason, who was stabbed to death in July. Keith Burley is accused of killing Marky. He was out of prison after serving a minimum sentence.

Even though he was convicted of stabbing a fellow inmate while he was locked up. What our legislation have been in place at that point in time, that Marky Mason would be in school today in 1115 in the morning. And the belief that a murderer, a pedophile, and a drug addict can all be rehabilitated in the same way is not only naive, but it's also irresponsible. Under Bernstein's bill an inmate would have to serve an additional two years for each violent conviction while incarcerated. An additional two years for each file in offense. Could that have saved Marke's life? Maybe.

There are many other factors involved in what happened on that Monday evening in July, and Marke's family hopes that the law is passed. So something like this never happens again. It is clear that Keith Burley needed further rehabilitation before being released from prison, if rehabilitation was ever even possible for him. You know, my son's ghost in front of me. I just tell my son how proud I am still today That I was his father and proud that he protected his mother and his brother And I am I'm still proud. I'm a proud father But for Keith, there's I mean

What can I say? There's no words. There's no words. You took my heart. You killed me the night you killed my son For me and my son Matthew to move on we have to forgive So we have to forgive keep for killing my son and we have to forgive moron for putting them in that position Or we can't go on living our life Free and the best that we can I don't know everything Mark knows knows and I'm gotten glad I don't because I have a hard time with her now because she's like she is very publicly disrespectful to me. She's very publicly disrespectful to Mark. Add the mother and ask somebody who's been in domestic

relationship with four children. I just said I have no sympathy. You she did it as to me she may not have driven the knife into him, but she's as guilty as Keith is. If someone looked at this man's record without knowing where all this occurred, the crimes he committed in the 1990s, the crimes he committed while in prison, and they saw that he was released after only 20 years, they might assume that this all happened in Canada, but it didn't. There was obviously a flaw here in our American Justice System on the state level.

The system we've built, layer by layer, shows its flaws every now and then. And unfortunately, in doing so, claims another life. We can only hope this flaw is fixed using Marki's law, so that he can be forever remembered, and his name can be associated with the future prevention of crime, rather than the senseless and horrible episode of Sword and Scale. We hope you've enjoyed it. Until next time, keep your kids close and stay safe. Hey my name is Thomas. I'm a big fan of yours, I'm just coming on to you to it. I'm only thank you for everything that you've ever done. I've been a fan since about 2014. I suddenly think what I had is that I started teaching on it and I'm part of a plus

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