Sword and Scale - Episode 178

Episode Date: January 24, 2021

Holly Colino’s descent into madness took a long time. A series of unfortunate life events painted her paranoid delusions in a shade of green envy. Everywhere she looked were women that wanted to be her so badly that they would copy everything about her. Her hair, her eyebrows, her lips, her entire identity stolen. Her path for justice took her on a collision course with the mother of an 8-year-old boy that would end in tragedy.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences. Listen or discretion is advised. Hello and welcome to season 8 episode 178 of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals the worst monsters. A real. You ever get the feeling that someone was trying to copy your style, trying to act like you? I get a lot of that, you know, because we were the first true crime podcast basically

that started this whole thing. Nine months before serial, just so everyone knows. Keep saying that, nobody seems to remember that. So yeah, I kind of get it when somebody's trying to steal your look, your genus a qua, but in all seriousness, there are some very sick people out there, some very, very sick people that take a small idea like this and expound on it within their highly mentally ill minds. The ramifications of that can be

disastrous. And as you'll hear today, sometimes in these cases, no one, not even someone I'm going to go to the next room. Brockport, New York is a small village within the town of Sweden and Monroe County. Unless you're from New York, you've probably never heard of it. But the town does have a few claims to fame. The town is home to the state University of New York at Brockport, affectionately known as SUNY Brockport. It's the hometown of two major league baseball players. It was also the hometown of two U.S. congressmen and professional actor Martin Ferrerro, who is best known for being the lawyer

in the 1993 classic Jurassic Park. You know, the one that hides from the T-Rex and the bathroom, only to be eaten right off the toilet. If you're not familiar with the iconic scene from Jurassic Park, he also starred in a 2011 college humor short where he pokes fun at the fact that his character is only there to show how serious the situation is by dying. Among the village's many claims of modern notoriety, the town also has a healthy historical footprint.

The main street is lined with Victorian-era historical buildings that bring a lot of tourism to the small village. With the Erie Canal running through the center of town, Brockport actually calls itself the Victorian village on the Erie Canal because of its commitment to keeping up the village's historical buildings and the Erie Canal boardwalk. Not far from the center of town is a more modern part of the village. Not far from the center of town is a more modern part of the village. The part with the tractor supply, the Walmart Super Center, and the Lowe's home improvement store.

All the modern conveniences of life. On Friday, August 25, 2017, Megan Dix, the credit coordinator at Lowe's, took her regular lunch break at around 1pm. She rarely ate lunch on the premises, and although she didn't live in Brockport, she did have a favorite spot just a little way down the road. Like she did most days, Megan would leave the parking lot and turn north onto Owens Road. A short distance down this road she would turn west on South Avenue. Along the south sides of South Avenue, Parallelines stretched out accompanying a sidewalk into

the distance. The north side of the street was lined with sparse forest. Not far down South Avenue was a small park. Well, it was called a park, really. It was really more of a small paved parking lot adjacent to a thicket of trees, and a railroad that paralleled Brockport Creek. Megan enjoyed going here and watching nature while she ate lunch. It was her little getaway from the hustle and bustle of her job.

She liked to watch the wildlife, the deer, especially. It answered messages on her tablet. Like any other Friday, the sun would slowly sink behind the horizon, and the streetlights would begin to flick her on. But on this particular Friday, Megan Dix never returned to work. Her co-workers didn't think anything of it because they knew she had a sick father in the hospital. They just assumed that she got called away and the lows continued to operate without her. After her shift, she didn't return home either.

As the early evening turned to night, Megan's husband, formerly her high school sweetheart and now the father of their eight year old son got worried and what to go look for. When she wasn't at work and he couldn't get in contact with her, he decided to check her favorite spot just in case. Seven hours after she left work to eat a sandwich, Megan's husband found her, still seated in her truck, still at that park. Tonight, Brockmore Police continued to search for the person who shot and killed a wife and mother on Friday afternoon. Megan Dix was found in her pickup truck in a spot where she usually spent her lunch break.

31-year-old wife and mother of an eight-year-old son, Megan Dix, was murdered. Her body was slumped in the driver's seat of her pickup for seven hours before her husband finally found her. All at once, at about 8 pm, 9-1-1 was flooded with multiple calls. Brockport rarely had homicides. In fact, there were only three murders in the decade preceding Megan's death. Hell, in that same decade from 2007 to 2017, the town had more arson cases than homicide cases.

Six more, to be exact. Needless to say, everyone was stunned. Not just because historically there were so few homicides, but because of who was killed. The story manager at Lowe's recognized Megan's unique kindness, but not more than our family did. Megan came from a family of six older brothers. Donnie Duncanson, one of our older brothers, would miss his sister deeply. It's a good person, you know, honest, caring, loving, dedicated mother, wife.

It doesn't happen to us, you know. We, there's no shootings, you know, and even in Brockport, there's no shootings, you know, so It's just Crazy. She was always happy, you know, I don't get it. I know three times she had grown her hair out for Loxelove She did she volunteered for like a marathon and fun razors. Nobody would miss Megan Moore than her eight-year-old son, CJ. This wasn't the kind of thing that happened in their town. There were never shootings let alone the victim being an innocent mother,

just eating her lunch. The residents of Brockport and the authorities were completely lost on what to do or why this happened. Obviously, the authorities had their protocols to follow, but the typical protocols were leading them down dead ends. Megan had no enemies, no secret that got her killed. She was nice to everyone she came in contact with. Some might say, too nice. And she went out of her way to help the less fortunate by donating hair to locks of love and volunteering for any marathon or fundraiser supporting a worthy cause. Authorities were left wondering, who would want to kill this woman?

The Brockport PD held a press conference. On August 25th at about 1pm, an employee of Lowes Home Determined Store left for what was normally a routine lunch break. At about 8pm lastm. last night, based upon numerous calls to 911, it was reported that an individual later identified as this employee was deceased in her vehicle,

and subsequently was found to be the victim of a, what appears to be a single-shat gunshot wound to the head. The individual that was found to be deceased was subsequently identified as Megan Dix. I understand that this is very early on. We are still very much in a preliminary investigative stages of this investigation. Does there appear to be any motive? None of this time I wouldn't even begin to speculate on motive or suspects.

Do you have a lot of trouble spots in this park here? Is this kind of a kind of an anomaly for you guys? No, it's an anomaly. It's a very quiet area, but it is remote, which is why we're asking. And we know for a fact that there were other vehicles parked in there throughout the day. So it is common that people go there, whether they're going to walk the trails, take pictures, photographs, etc. And again, just because they are there doesn't mean they were involved in any way, shape,

or form. But it is remote, it is quiet, and that's why we're asking for the public's help to be able to provide us with any information. They may not themselves understand as valuable, but we may believe it's valuable after we talk with that. The authorities asked for the public's help, but what the press conference was really saying What the press conference was really saying was that they didn't have a clue who shot Megan or why. It was shaping up to be random, and random murders are the hardest to solve, because there's no link between the killer and the victim.

As the weekend wore on and the sun eventually set on Sunday and rose on Monday, they were still no closer to solving the murder of Megan Dix. That was a strange weekend for the BPD and surrounding law enforcement. In addition to the murder, there was a lot of unusual stuff going on. There was a rash of vandalism at various places across the area, a church, a basketball court, an exit ramp from Interstate 490, under a bridge, and at the fast food restaurant Tim Hortons, just to name a few places that were covered in graffiti.

Oh, and all the tires on every car for the cleaning service Molly made were found slashed. There was a myriad of seemingly unconnected crimes occurring all over the county. By Monday evening, it had been nearly 72 hours since the investigation began, when the Monroe County Sheriff's Department got a call in nearby Henrietta. Somebody was going to stay there's to go to work. She encountered her, walked up to her. There was a brief conversation and she pointed a weapon at her

and then took off on foot. And she was located a short time later. Was that a robbery? No, there was nothing taken. There was nothing said other than a conversation. There was no threats. At a restaurant slash Duke joint called Sticky Lips Barbecue, a waitress said that a random woman who was pacing and talking on a cell phone in the back parking lot became verbally

aggressive and pointed a gun at her face. Naturally, the waitress unleashed the most unnatural scream. It was so loud that the patrons inside the restaurant heard it. After she screamed, the woman with the gun ran away. Deputies showed up a short time later, but it would be more than two hours before they would locate the culprit. But shortly after five yesterday, deputies responded to sticky lips of our vacuum in Henrietta. For the report of an employee who had a gun helped her head by a female suspect in the parking lot, the suspect was located

in a hallway at the Holiday Inn on Jefferson Road and after a brief struggle the suspect was taken into custody. Right next door to sticky lips in the hallway of a Holiday Inn inites, the deputies arrested the woman with the gun. Holly M. Kalino. We are able to announce the arrest of Holly Marie Kalino, the date of birth of 12-8 of 1985 of Arizona. Kalino has been charged with murder in the second degree, a Class A1 felony, and criminal

possession of a weapon in the second degree, a Class C felony. In Hawley's possession were three guns, all legally purchased in Arizona. In her room, she had a 38-calibre, Taurus 85 Ultra Light Revolver. Ultra Light refers to its aluminum and titanium construction making it small, light, and concealable. Also in her room was a 223 Remington semi-automatic rifle, not unlike any rifle used in pretty much any mass shooting in recent years. On her person, she had a Black 38 Calibur diamond brand semi-automatic pistol that measured less than 4 inches tall and 5.5 inches long and is marketed as a micro-compact, small enough to fit in your pocket.

Needless to say, if Holly wanted, she could have reaped a lot more havoc. Now in custody, deputies took her to a nearby substation for booking. That's when things got a little more interesting. While in handcuffs, inside sheriff substation zone B, Holly slipped her cuffs and escaped, exiting the building before anyone knew she was gone. She had broken away from the cops and exited the building. Obviously that's concerning to us that she could, you know, get me out one of our protocols and processes that we have in place.

She was brought back into custody within about two hours. And as I said, never left more than 100 yards from the actual substation. A man hunt was launched. And even a helicopter took to the air to try to locate the yet-to-be-booked escapee. Even though the sheriff said she never made it more than 100 yards, she actually made it a lot further than that. They eventually caught up with her behind and nearby Wendy's.

If Google Maps is to be trusted, Wendy's is nearly 300 yards away from the substation in a straight line. Even so, it took deputies more than two hours to find her. But what's really interesting about Holly only came to light after she was captured a second time, taken back to the substation, booked, and then questioned. We asked for citizens to report any suspicious behavior to law enforcement. As a result of numerous leads and the efforts of all those that stand behind us today and many others,

there were upwards of 20, 30, 40 people working on this case, many of which were resources that were provided by the sheriff. Sheriff's investigators, working closely with Brockmore police officers, were able to link and arrest that occurred in the town of Henrietta last night to the suspect that was charged with Mrs. Dick's murder. If it weren't for the fact that we knew we were looking potentially for a specific vehicle and then a specific type of weapon was used, I don't know if we would have been able to add all this up as fast and as quickly as we did. A post arrest press conference claimed that with the help of the public, the authorities

had narrowed the suspect, pulled down to ones that drove a specific car and had a specific gun. They credited interagency communication and cooperation for solving Megan Dix's murder. But really, it was just happenstance that Holly was arrested the following Monday in a neighboring town. But when she was and her car and firearm were taken in a consideration, police felt they had the right person in custody. When Holly was asked about the death of Megan Dix, she confessed. As far as the suspect, she did not give no reason for why that situation occurred. She met the individual and within seconds of meeting her, ended up discharging the weapon to her head.

Mrs. Dix was not involved in any criminal activity whatsoever. She merely left lows, went to a place she commonly went to for the purposes of some peace and quiet, and to eat her lunch while she enjoyed a 30-minute break. As a result of just that alone, she was the victim of this murder. Just like the sheriff said, could that have been anyone of you, me, our family members? She played absolutely no role other than being at the wrong place at the wrong time encountering this suspect. In fact, she did everything a good citizen, a good wife, and a good mother should do. And unfortunately, because of being at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and because of the sole act

of one individual with absolutely no good reason, became the victim of the murder we're speaking of today. As the chief said, this really could have been anyone. And there's no previous connection at all between the victim and the suspect. Are there any reason to believe that she may have mental health issues? She was lucid with us and, you know, spoken and admitted to the grant. She also knew what she did was wrong. She was able to provide details of the situation that nobody else would have known other than

the person that was involved themselves. According to the press conference citing interviews with Holly, she didn't know Megan. They had never met. But that day, she walked up to her, got her attention, and then shot her dead. And after ending an innocent woman's life, she just went back to living hers. The authority said there was no motive.

They said it was random. But there was a reason Holly did what she did. It just wasn't a very good one. And that reason, well, did you notice the long awkward pause before they answered the mental health question? Stay tuned. too. Holly Marie Collino was arrested three days after she murdered Megan Dix. A lucky turn of events by otherwise stumped law enforcement.

She was being arrested for an unrelated crime when authorities put the evidence together and realized they had their killer. While being led to court for her arrangement, Holly was the picture of a troubled woman. Her hair was loosely tied back but apparently unkempt and greasy. Her bold eyebrows shadowed her sad, sunken eyes. Her expression was that of pure confusion. If you saw a random person with her expression, you might ask them if they were lost. Yet this was Holly's default expression. Walking up to the courthouse, she looked around like she didn't know where she was or

where she was going. The Sheriff's Department provided Holly with a red jumpsuit and a bulletproof vest that draped over her thin frame. She looked unhealthy, like she had neat and in days. She was so thin in fact that you can see the outline of every tendon in her neck. Her thinness was also the reason she was able to slip the cuffs after her initial arrest. Outside the courthouse, Megan's brother expressed his bewildering sorrow. I just wanted to grab her and ask her why, you know, I don't get it. I don't understand. I don't know if they, I don't think anybody understands.

I don't know how else to say. It just seems like a bad nightmare that you can't wake up on. In her early life, Holly was described as being a good student and very active in extracurricular activities at school. She was the freshman class president and played a lot of sports too. A childhood friend would say that the reason Holly joined the track team, field hockey team, basketball team,

and even the JV football team was because she didn't want to go home. When this friend heard of Holly's arrest, she had this to say, that my heart just sank. I was like, there's no way. There's no way she had this to say. My heart just sank. I was like, there's no way. There's no way she could have done this. And then when I saw her being led into court,

I was shocked. It didn't look anything like her. I mean, she just really looked lost. She looked like somebody who's been through more than they have to and didn't have anybody there for them. There were things that aren't necessarily my business to tell, and it's not my story, but before people say that you're upbringing

who doesn't cause this, it definitely can. Holly's mother left the family when she and her brother Jason were very young, leaving their father to raise them by himself. The father tried his best, but he was gone a lot, working to provide for his kids. Her home life as a child was less than desirable, but by no means horrible. A childhood neighbor that knew the Kalino said that she was a bright kid that used to babysit her children.

She helped them read, she sat there with them. Very nice. That is until Holly was about 15 or 16. That's when everything changed. Her brother Jason got into a fight with their father and was kicked out of the house. Holly left two out of resentment for her father. When she got thrown out of the house, I think she had a little breakdown, you know what I mean? Her father packed the bags and told them both of the kids to leave.

So at 16, where are you going to go? After that, Holly and Jason relied on each other for years trying to navigate through life as just a bunch of kids. These early obstacles would forever scar her. Holly dropped out of high school, but later got her GED. By 2005, she had enrolled in Monroe Community College on a scholarship, but she would later drop out of that school too after her sophomore year.

It's unclear what she did for the years between 07 and 2010 when she joined the Army Reserves, but that was short-lived also. She joined in June 2010 and was out by April of 2011. During her time in the reserves, she started a blog titled Divine Justice Divine Love. It seems to be essays and philosophical musings bordering on a scientific research paper, even offering up case study supporting her opinion. In her first post from December 21, 2010 titled, Why Is Pain An Opportunity for Harmony. She seems to be working through some emotional pain herself when she posits that the pain we carry with us influences what we attract

and that recognizing the pain is the only way to release it. Okay, makes sense to some degree. Okay, makes sense to some degree. Some of her thoughts seem slightly insightful, like, life is not easy, and we are meant to experience challenges. It's how we come out of those challenges, and how we handle them, that will give us the gifts of strength. I mean, she's no Dolly Lama, but these are pretty universal truths that a lot of people understand.

However, sometimes, her writing transitions into hard to follow concepts, scattered thoughts, and talk of resonating frequencies. And while this... We must put our intent of higher thinking and understanding to the wounded area. And recognize that that area was weak and deserved the pain, so it could evolve and attain fruition. That emotional area was underdeveloped and was not working in ways to manifest its maximum capacity to endure those divine sensations and feelings we desire. It is in our best interest to flow energy of compassion to others that influence our emotional

stature by sending them visions and messages of higher frequency, along with compassion. We can help heal the severance we endured from the part in the given lesson applied to us. Uh, what? It starts to sound a little like a de-packed chopras speech, or perhaps something that is equalzeus from Plus Episode 72 wrote. It's clear that Holly is delving into her own pain, though, through these nonsensical posts. In her final entry dated January 4, 2011 titled Abandonment, How Can It Cause Victimization,

she is clearly working through her own sense of abandonment by her mother, and then later, her father. You know, she never had mother to love her and hold her. She has a lot of resentment built up towards that and towards even like my fiancée because of that. When Jason started to build his own life and proposed to his girlfriend, Holly again felt abandoned. As close as they were for years, they quickly drifted apart. By the fall of 2011, she was back in college and rolled at SUNY Brockport, but by this point, she was already a drastically different person than she had been six years previous at MCC. During her sophomore year in 2012, she interrupted a lecture in front of an audience. First of all, I came to an understanding that the gospel of Jesus was about a lot more

than just being a good nun, praying for people, being charred of a little bit of pain. And here's Holly. For the love of humanity and justice, you have life. Lady, who are you? My name is Holly Ricollino and I have faith in of the injustice and I can no longer listen to you lie Just tell me one last said so far you have lied about the vastness of Jesus What to hear has studied the Bible in a secular manner as a scholar Who here has not about the fabrication?

The Roman Catholic Inquisition who was murdered I never faced a situation like this before. This was a boring lecture by a nun, but then Holly spiced it up a bit. The cameraman recording the lecture zoomed out to include Holly pacing at the front of the stage yelling at the nun and addressing the audience directly. Soon, school officials of some sort came to try to coax her out of the room. You are wrong. I am Holly Grickley and I have been a volunteer counselor. As a certified intuitive counselor, I also had an opportunity to counsel Catholics and ex-Fallets. Don't we see them real? No, I don't think this is the right thing.

No, you are speaking about this in a second, and a devotional manner to God. We have a constitution that will separate the church in this day. You're going to like to stay here. Yes, you want to stay here. I'm sorry. I cannot allow this to happen. We were so famous in some, I've seen solicitation of Roman Catholicism

posting on a billboards. You do not know, but no. This is wrong. This is unjust. This is only your story. Just let me read this. Holly, I'm sorry. Just let me read this about the realities of what these criminals say.

Not heard from Holly. No. Because you don't want the truth. You want the truth? I hate. This is when police show up to a squirter out of the auditorium. This is not right. Holly, I'm sorry.

The other reality is a criminal justice. I can't lie to that. I'm not. Holly. I can't lie to that. For the loving humanity and justice get the facts. Get the facts, printable things, you don't get the reason. Fight it.

I thought she was somebody from the drama department. Well, I thought of it. I just out of respect for somebody who feels that deeply about truth not being I'm sorry, it ended that way. In true, none fashion after cracking an accidental joke, she praised Holly for being so passionate about her beliefs. This is the typical reaction these days to severe mental illness when it's exhibiting itself in public. We tend to brush it off, pretend like it's not there, and hope somebody deals with it

at some point. Of course, that rarely happens. Holly would later be expelled from Suni Brockport for this interruption. During her short time there, however, she called the police five times, claiming harassment. None of these claims were ever substantiated. Between her time at Suni in 2012 and a one year and five month job beginning in January of 2014 as an unarmed security guard at Oak Hallehand's pub in nearby Rochester, we couldn't find any trace of Holly. We did, however, find someone who knew Holly somewhat professionally. Cherief Raill is a music producer that lives in Rochester, New York.

He's been producing music for years. You may have heard some of his stuff, specifically a song that made it onto the soundtrack for the 1998 film Blade. Remember that movie? Wesley Snipes as a vampire hunter. Well, he had a song on the soundtrack called Things Ain't the Same.

All right, so what's going on? This is a reed for a while. on the soundtrack called Things Ain't the Same. He met her by chance through another producer he was working with. She was dating Jay Pritch and this casual, you know, just one day, you know, came through and they were item and then You know like any couple he played her the music and she would tell me Yo, I really I really like your music, you know sense? So we would just have our little private conversations about you know Ideas that I had to get her incorporated in some way because we was always looking for girl musician Girl singer to sing some of the songs.

When we asked Royale if Holly was any good, he had this to say. It's not about being a good singer. It just was more like, she just seemed like a music lover and that she was no Whitney Houston, you know what I'm saying? But she was gonna be good enough to use to say we got a girl on a song. So my thing where her was like she had a really distinct voice and a particular look, right? So I'm like with a little makeup, she can turn into one

of the most beautiful women out there. You know what I'm saying? Tone-wise, she had this great texture to her speaking voice, where I personally was like, you probably will make an amazing actress. You got what I'm saying? So my encouragement was like, yo, you're going to do this video, you're going to be a detective. So I was like, really trying to get her towards you're going to be the detective. So I was like really trying to get her towards being a detective in a video or like a short film type of thing. Rayao liked to collaborate and he had an inspirational effect on those he let around him.

Holly was really inspired. She was young, attractive, and had discovered a passion for the music industry. The song, anything, was the first song that I demoed with her boyfriend, a bridge. And that song, like, was the song that I was also looking for a girl or somebody else. So she said, you know what, Jay played the song for me. Do you mind if I do it? I said, okay, whatever. Just go ahead and do it, right? I'm thinking nothing of it, like, because I'm like, you know, when he used it, so whatever, everybody wanna do it, just take a shot.

So she did it. She was like, this is gonna be the song that she was gonna take to number one. And so that became the driving force for everything. She looks kind of like a plain Jane version of Fiona Apple to give you an idea. Also, her unique raspy voice was a plus. Holly was in. She saw herself going the distance in the music industry.

She thought that her contribution to this single song was going to make her a star. Then, as quickly as it began, her relationship with Jay Pritch started to dissolve. For whatever reasons, couples break up, right? So they're going through whatever they're going through. So whatever was happening

with them was evident to me. So she was staying in contact with me just to talk like just to stay inspired with music. Holly and Roy all stayed in touch after her break up with Jay Pritch. And Holly continued to work on the song anything, even making a short music video for it. and she would send videos of her, like, put in other words together, like, instead of her singing, you know, melodic little tones, she was more like, she was gonna be a lyricist. Holly's passion for music was growing, and with it, her ambition, she started to write, sing, make music videos, and now rap.

She was making more and more musical content that she would share with Royall until she finally sent one particular video that he was interested in. To me it was funny. Like she did something or said something funny or something like that. She said, I said, yo, this is content. This is like, like, I can make this go viral. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, I can make this go viral. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, I can make this go viral if you let me post it, right? And she said, nah, I don't post it.

My interest for listening to anything she did after that was done because I'm like, what can I do with it if you're not gonna allow me to help you? During all this time, developing a friendship with Raya, Holly was getting kicked out of SUNY college. She was meeting, dating, and breaking up with Jay Pritch, and she was working as a security guard and an Irish pub. Then almost suddenly, she asked for some time off from her job and never returned.

Eventually, she moved to Arizona in the latter part of 2015. A couple of years would pass, while Holly was living in Arizona. She would stay with a few different cousins while trying to work as an unarmed security guard for Eagle Force Security. She kept having to move from home to home, because of her actions towards the women she shared homes with. Once, she lived with one younger female cousin and her uncle. Her little cousin used to look up to her. She was her favorite cousin, until she started saying some unusual

and concerning things. General conversations with Holly would often become discussions about all the people she felt wronged her in her life. When Holly began to accuse her of being obsessive with various things a high school-aged female might be interested in, like her hair and makeup, that was the last straw. Holly's uncle asked her to leave. She moved on to another family member, kind enough to let her live with him. This cousin also asked Holly to find somewhere else to live after her attitude became threatening

to his girlfriend. The word hater was even keyed into the side of his girlfriend's car, a word that Holly would often say in her now more frequent rants about how people, most often women, were trying to steal her identity. It's hard to ask a family member to leave when you know they have nowhere else to go, but when it is a matter of your own safety, it makes the decision much easier to make. After Holly was gone, her relatives were left with the realization that she was spiraling emotionally. Holly would end up living in her car and later being fired from her security job for her

bizarre behavior. What Josh was telling me is something totally different. Okay, well, what's he telling you? He's telling me that you've been sitting in the car a bit. That you were inside telling them that they couldn't play music because it was illegal, it was a misdemeanor and it was a distortion, and then you were outside telling you the shame on you if they were playing music early. That's, I'm glad you told me, I'm letting you know you're on film, because I've been recording

all my activity, so that's all the lie, thank you. Can you show me that film? Well, first of all, why is it your business? It's based on everything I've heard from Josh, based on the call he made to Gabe, based Well, first of all, why is it your business? That is actually Holly in that last clip. In 2017, she had begun to document much of her life and post it to YouTube. The only thing is that most of her life consisted of her constantly accusing random people she encountered for various crimes, centering around stealing her identity,

and what she called, extortion. Extortion, of course, is the act of obtaining something valuable through force or threats. Holly is using the term incorrectly. I started to acknowledge that the general population of women have a disassociated identity problem. So there actually is something in the DSM, disassociated identity disorder, and that's actually something that's legit because it's clinical. Disassociated identity disorder can be clinically measured, Botox chemicals, hair dye chemicals, and just the fact that they're trying to conceive an image that they do not have. No ladies and gentlemen, and I'm talking to you, sickness and vangelicy, expression is not

image, expression is body language and communication. It's not image. Okay, it's the act. So what these women are doing, their act is stealing my identity. It's identity theft. These women are mentally unstable and they're actually insane. They are clinically insane. They are a liar, they are a faker, they are a hypocrite, they are a walking lie. They have chosen to criminally extort me, many, and use my large lips, my dark thick black eyebrows in my hair for commercial profit and other commercial purposes." That was one of the more TAME videos of Holly. In others, she accosts random people in a convenience store, kind of like

the videos of targeted individuals, which we've covered on this show before. She's not even aware of her offense. Man, you need to stop taking my identity and stop copycating. Keep in mind all the clips of Holly so far are from one video. Each YouTube post was a mashup of many short videos that she crudely strung together into a hard to follow, nonstop rant about women. In the next clip, she yells across lanes of speeding traffic at a car full of girls. Liar, banker! Liar! Disassosied by Denny Disorder. Mentally instability.

Your liars and your fakers and your hypocrites. Mentally unstable. Mentally unstable. Mentally unstable. Disassosied by look at her throwing, disassociate a identity disorder, disassociate a identity disorder, they come together in games, they're never alone, they're not mental fortitude like me. In another portion of the video she nearly starts a fight with some kids on skateboards. Okay, what was that? He flashed some red light on me, a little coward on a skateboard, 19th of Northern. It's approximately one little after eight o'clock.

I'm gonna have a fuck. No, you. I'm back to my computer, I'm gonna have a computer. Shut the fuck up, mother fucker. You bitch. Look at that. You're piece of mother fucker.

He's a- Oh, yeah? Really? That's it. That's it. Get over here! Oh, you want to run away like... Holly cuts the video there so we don't know exactly what happened after the standoff. Did you hear the car horn honk? It was because one of the skaters pretended to throw his skateboard at her, laughing at her for flinching. Holly's paranoia is almost entirely focused on women.

In her mind, women have copied her and what she was born with. Long straight hair with highlights, thick dark eyebrows and full lips. Any woman anywhere becomes the target of her frustration and her frustration was growing to extraordinary levels. Everywhere I turn, it's a mirage of me, somebody imitating me, everywhere I turn around. She came over right up to my vehicle and just asked for something to bag. I mean, it's almost like she said it like she was just doing to harass me. So when it's her filming them too and fun getting the license white, she's harassing

the second. She doesn't realize I have a license, a legal to kill now. So it needs to be known. All of these women that I'm being, want me to come kill them. I just pulled in. There's two of them. You see the one in the pink? She's faking my blonde in caramel.

Yeah, and there's some dark brown in there too. It's anywhere I go. All of them. They've all robbed my life, my person, my identity. They robbed my image every one of them. Every one of them in the media, every one of them. Everywhere I go. They took me. I, she, Holly, and Collino. She's got to ever followers, who she's enticed with guilt, and wrong to want to seek her approval. Speak on her behalf. And why is it that they and she can lie? Constantly, they're a walking lie.

They're a fake. And all of you gave them credit status and acknowledgement for something they do not have. They are not and do not deserve and did not hurt. You don't apply the law to one, you don't apply to anybody. So I'm very suspicious that he give credit and acknowledgement to the woman that envies me. I she holly and Colleen out Along with her YouTube channel Holly compiled her evidence of people extorting her image and yet another blog This blog is even more difficult to understand with Holly's extreme use of commas

She talks about her cousin kicking her out, blaming him for charging her rent when he didn't charge his girlfriend. She also claims to have started investigations into many celebrities for involvement in extorting her image. She mentions M&M, Ariana Grande, Dr. Dre, Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Tupac, Mariah Carey, Britney Spears, and Madonna. This next excerpt is from her blog, Investigating Madonna. It's very common as they took my personality and thereby which I received telepathic and clairvoyant messages from envy and these messages threaten my life burn my flesh and heart restrict my will and choice and they disturb me. I sing in rap, hence I also regularly receive telepathic clairvoyant messages coming from the envy through the envy of jealousy of criminal impersonators. I know that doesn't make much sense at all, but that was after I paraphrased her original writing.

It originally read, it's comma, very comma, comma, comma, as comma, they comma, took comma, my semicolon, holly emcolino, semicolon, person, well, I won't bore you with the rest of it, but you get it. It's unintelligible gibberish. But in her ramblings, she also mentioned Jay Pritch, who she refers to as JP. She was still doing videos.

I wasn't watching the videos because she said don't use them. Jay Pritch will watch and he will tell me about it and I was like, I really, I don't care. I understand that if, you know, being that they were in a relationship, of course, you know, you know, you probably still watching the girl, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was my girl. But he was telling me like, he wasn't watching

because of that, he was telling me, he wasn't watching because of that. He was telling me he was watching because she was changing and I was like, I don't know, you know, I was like, she seems the same to me. Rayault hadn't been watching Holly's recent videos, but Jay Pritch had and he noticed something worrisome. What he saw was Holly acting crazy, insane in fact. Some people these days think that's an insult. It's a description. Heck, anyone that stumbled upon her channel would have come to the same conclusion. But when Royale watched the video, he saw them in a different context. Remember the song, anything? And the music video he wanted to shoot with Holly? I told her, this is the role you're going to play.

You're going to play this woman detective. You're going to, you know, give everything square the way you know, she was supposed to play this role. When he showed me the videos, she was playing the role of detective. She was figuring things out and she was analyzing it. She had a pad and she was writing things down. So I'm just like paying attention, but like, come on, man, what are you watching this for?

I'm going to try to make this very brief and then in person, you know, it can be discussed in detail. Okay. Number one, I was around the stone building on a property and I detected or sensed murder. I'm very psychic. Okay. Documenting criminal activity. Documenting criminal activity. Knitpicker, patty, pulls wrong side of nothing, exit a wolf on a glect and a wolf on ignorance. While initiating rightfully in the knowing, try to entice one into an act like as I can kill him. That's why he's lucky. I'm building my case. Records, rages, documents, emails, text, calls, films, you're stealing my big statements,

you're stealing my USPS track mail. Ryle didn't see what Jay Pritch saw. It's hard to understand how anyone could not see the rampant mental illness in this woman. But he saw Holly as playing the role of a detective, like they had discussed multiple times before during their long conversations about the industry. As for the more bizarre claims of people stealing her identity, it reminded Ryle of other conversations he had with Holly. It reminded him of a lawsuit he filed for brain infringement sometime previously, a lawsuit that he often discussed with Holly.

These people are, you know, they're trying to take my look, they're trying to take, she was kind of like echoing things that conversations that we had, right? But just doing it like, you know, with me out the picture. Like, now this is my life. Like, they're copying off of me. They're trying to be me. Look at me, listen at it.

But watching the videos to me was just watching her normal. So it wasn't like it was a big contrast to who I seen to the woman that I first met. Why all didn't see at all what Jay Pritch was worried about. He just saw an old friend playing the role of a detective and quite hilariously at that. Apparently what's obvious to most of us wasn't obvious to him. Like I've said before, comment sense isn't all that common. All of Holly's videos and blog posts were made in the three months preceding the murder of Megan Dix seemingly documenting her return to the Brockport area. In the days following the murder of Megan Dix and the arrest of

Holly, Raya was on his way back from a trip to New York City. As I'm on my way back, they tell me I get a text message, watch out for Holly. What do you mean, watch out for Holly? Like me and Holly is cool. Like, why are you still watching Holly, man, leave her alone? No, man, something is different. Watch out for Holly.

Jay Pritch had already moved out of the old neighborhood where he used to live, but Rial was still there. He wasn't worried as Holly had never been to his house. Not that he was really concerned about her videos in the first place, but then... I get a text, Holly killed somebody. I'm like, what? Get out of somebody. I'm like, what?

Get out of here. I'm like, I don't believe them. That's when Rayao did a quick dive online. Remember that rash of vandalism around the county? Again, nobody connected the dicks murder to anything. It didn't make any sense to anyone. Everybody was trying to figure out who was this vandal or who was this person that killed a woman.

It was two different stories. Holly was also the vandal. In various places around the county, Holly had spray painted messages to the public at large. At the church, she tagged the walls with the words, people hated, envied, HMC. The church just so happened to be the one she attended in her youth. At some basketball courts, she wrote, fuck off, you girls who envied Holly M. Collino.

On the exit ramp, she painted, honor Holly M. Collino. At the tim Hortons, she wrote, Honor Holly M. Collino, Kill Women. And under the eerie canal bridge, she wrote a poorly planned message. It read something like this. Men watch out. Cops involved. Kill women. Identity, honor Holly Kalino, can kill right truly. She even tagged the wall outside of sticky lips, which actually called out Jay Pritch. It read, Jay Pritch extorted Holly M Kalino.

Cops, two, stupid, two, jealous. Female cops imitate Holly's image, too. She even went to J. Pritch's former work and vandalized a truck with, bags, girls, women, envy, imitate, honor Holly M. Collino. In another location, she wrote simply, women that imitate Holly M. Collino's image are sex offenders. But the graffiti didn't start there.

Outside her cousin's apartment in Arizona, she spray painted the pavement by the dumpster. Fuck off, you girls who envy Holly M. Kalino. Oh, and all the tires slashed on the Molly Mades cars. That was Holly too. She worked there for three and a half days, four years previous. She was making the rounds, tagging all her old stomping rounds. Clearly, she had some unresolved issues, with literally everyone she'd ever come in

contact with, stemming from her band-in-minish-use during her youth. But one recurring word in Holly's vandalism, honor, meant something different to Raya. To him, it was the name of the music video that Holly made to accompany the song Anything. Raya now believed that Holly did what was alleged, but two questions still crossed his mind. Could Holly be playing the character they had discussed? Was her rash of vandalism some sort of brilliant elaborate gorilla marketing for the song in video that nobody would ever see? Or did she really believe what she was saying?

Holly's cousin in Arizona called her brother Jason because the behavior he witnessed from Holly was Concerned he wanted to get the family together to try to help Holly help herself In that phone call her cousin was informed of Holly's crime It was already too late. Well, she refuses to go in and seek help. I tried to talk to her. She went, listen to me. It's good thing you guys got her because, you know, you're telling me she had two guns and, you know,

I really felt just kind of deep down inside me like, something bad was going to happen. She thinks women are imitating her. I really hope that, you know, she,, gets to help she needs and I pray for the other family at their loss. It's awful. I think about that every night. It was too late to get Holly help her. Illness had already taken control of her life, making her see enemies everywhere. Maybe she was in Brockport to take revenge on Jay Pritch. But instead, she enacted her unwarranted vengeance on a random innocent mother in her truck

eating a sandwich. Holly Kalino was arrested for pointing a gun at a random woman's head. Then she escaped sparking a two-hour manhunt. After her recapture, she confessed to the random murder of Megan Dix three days before, not to mention the spree of vandalism across the county. She was arraigned 17 days after that. While being led into the courthouse for ar rainment, she was asked by reporters if she killed Megan Dix and she denied it. During the part of the rainment where the defendant usually makes a plea of either guilty or not

guilty, her lawyer did something unusual. Number one in custody, Palli Collino. Do you want to have your Palli Collino? Yes, Your Honor. Miss Collino, you're brought here by Monroe County indictment number 817 Charging you with one count of murder in the second degree and two counts of criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree alleged to have occurred on our about August 25th 2017 in the County Monroe As well as additional counts of criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree, three counts, criminal possession of a weapon in third degree, escape in

the second degree, and menacing in the second degree, all alleged to have occurred on August 28th, 2017 here in the County of Monroe. At this time do you wave a further reading and enter a plea? Joseph, this time we would wave a further reading of the indictment in regard to the plea, at this time we do not intend to enter a plea, however, if the court is intending to proceed, at this time we'd ask that the court enter a plea of not guilty on our behalf. Holly reserved her right to not enter a plea. Instead, the defense asked the judge to enter a plea on her behalf.

There are certain determinations that are reserved for the defendant to make, not for counsel. And a determination of entering a plea is something that the defendant has to be able to do. And this is a case that's going to involve certain evaluation and certain analysis that's going to determine whether it's appropriate for her to do that. And so at this stage in the proceeding, we reserved on that and asked the court to enter the plea simply because we want to make sure the due diligence is done to make full determination

on what's appropriate. Her mental state will certainly be something that's under consideration as the case proceeds. Well, I think one of the unique things from the public perspective is because there was so much information provided in regard to what may have been going on with her beforehand. There's a unique level of interest, but there's also a unique reservation of judgment in this case.

I think people realize that there may have been things that she was dealing with that separates her and distinguishes her from other individuals in this situation. And that's one of the things that's going to be analyzed as we go forward. It was clear to everyone involved that Holly just wasn't capable of making such an important decision on her own. Less than two weeks later in another hearing, the defense requested a mental health evaluation to see if Holly was competent enough to even understand the charges against her. In court, Holly argued that she was a mental health advocate and knows

how to represent herself in court and that she would refuse pills or confinement. After the decision, Holly's brother Duncan expressed his dismay. You'd like to see her putting the cage thrown away forever, you know, but they got to go through the proceedings. You knew what was going to, they were going to plead insanity. It'll play out, you know, hopefully it'll play out right, you know, instead of getting off on a technicality, you got to be crazy to do what she did anyway. But in my class, either she showed up, bracked or she was expelled from college 10 years before. A day before college started, because she was, they figured she was in town for three days. She took out a random person, which was Megan.

She went to sticky lips afterwards. She wrote her graffiti junk around town. She leaves Brockport. She goes to the Henrietta on her way back out, tried to kill that poor girl at sticky lips, and that's what got her caught. She would have done that, she would have just kept on going back there, her zone on. She would have been away for free, you know? So I praying for the justice system.

Thinking of the kindness of Megan, the Dix family knew the kind of justice she would want. She gets the help she needs and she goes to prison for life with no possibility per role so she can never do this again, you know. But for Megan's case, Megan is a way better person I would have been. She would want to see her get help. Go do it as a chance. Both the defense and prosecution had experts evaluate Holly. Both came to the same conclusion.

Holly was suffering from skit-so-effective disorder with bipolar symptoms. All they had to do to come to that conclusion was to look at her blog, YouTube channel, and simply speak with her. Six months later, Holly returned court after she was finally determined competent to stand trial. At least, I think it was her. In my interaction with Miss Kelley, no, I've seen a remarkable improvement based on the

treatment she's received. The woman led into court by Baylifts looked like a stranger. Holly's image was drastically different other than the red jumpsuit. Her hair was clean and kept. Her eyes were no longer sunken into her thin face. She had gained some weight and her complexion was brighter. The look of bewilderment was gone. The frantic Holly we knew from her YouTube channel was replaced with a calm,

well-mannered woman that undoubtedly resembled who she was when she was younger. Now, she wasn't cured. There is no cure, but she was under treatment and could now understand the charges and was able to assist her attorney in the trial. That's all it means to be competent to stand trial. Six months after that in October of 2018, Holly once again returned to court and this time was finally able to make a plea of her own accord. She pleaded guilty, but ultimately not responsible by reason of mental disease or defect.

This was a plea agreed upon by both the defense and the prosecution. The district attorney would explain that if it were to go to trial, there would be no doubt that Holly committed the murder. However, both the states and the defense's mental health experts would likely take the stand and say the same thing that she is mentally ill. And at the time of the crime, she was unable to understand that what she was doing was wrong. In most cases, there would either be an ultimate disposition of not guilty or guilty. And this is sort of an area of the law that falls somewhere in between that. It acknowledges that what was alleged took place, but there was mental defects, there was mental illness that was severe enough and it had enough of an effect on the defendant

that it's ultimately determined that you're not criminally responsible for what happened, even if there was acknowledgement that yes, it did happen the way it was believed to have taken place. The doctors who have met with Miss Kalino have come to a similar diagnosis, which is that of schizophrenia's effect of disorder with bipolar symptoms. Ultimately, there's consistent findings that she was delusional at the time of the incident. And ultimately, the right resolution here, at least in terms of the law and in terms of the court proceedings, is that we take that into account. There's all this evidence to support that somebody's not criminally responsible and that

they sort of fall into this succession where yes it did happen but the right outcome isn't throwing somebody in jail and locking them up there and letting them rot, it's dealing with what was going on at the time and this will allow her to be put in an institution or hospital if the findings are consistent that she still has a mental illness and she'll receive treatment and that's consistent with what the public center should be. Holly was off the hook at least for a while. She would not be tried for the murder of Megan Dix. Instead, she would be remanded to a secure psychiatric facility in the custody of the State Department of mental hygiene. Soon, a decision will be made if Holly is a violent risk

to society or not, determining if she will be held in a secure or non-secure mental hospital until the time she is deemed cured. So pretty much forever. We need to trust in the mental health professionals who are gonna be charged with taking care of Ms. Collino and making sure that she's helped along the way. And the larger regard is that she's not ever in a position to hurt anybody else, including herself.

Ms. Collino has a long road in front of her, but more importantly, the family of Megan Dex does as well. There's no closure for anyone, unfortunately, in this matter. Holly will likely never go to prison for the murder she committed, but will stay in a mental health facility for the rest of her life.

While Holly was incarcerated, and after she had begun treatment, Jay Pritch went to see her, probably just to make sure they were cool. And that if she ever got out, she wouldn't be coming to get him. Yeah, he wanted to go into the prison to speak to her because he wanted to make sure he was in good standing. So she didn't. So she didn't attack him. Remember when I said when I was speaking for her texture to her voice?

Her voice sounded completely different. Whatever she was on, was completely different. She looked completely different and she sounded completely different. Whatever chemicals was triggered by those pills, triggered a whole new, like she's not who she was at all.

Conversations with her is like, yeah, I'm sorry that even happened. You understand what I'm saying? Like, it's like, yo, I was going through something. But there are millions of Holly Kalinos in the world in various states of sickness. What will you do when you run across one of them? Will you be like that crowd at the college? laugh it off, dismiss it and hope somebody else deals with it?

How will you respond to this responsibility? The societal responsibility. Ultimately, Holly killed Megan Dicks, but wasn't responsible because she didn't know what she was doing, or the fact that it was wrong. To her, it made rational sense to shoot this woman in the head for mocking her, for stealing her look or something. Her mental illness progressed so far without anything or anyone doing anything about it that Holly believed all the things she was saying to be true. And if she knew the truth, then everyone else must be liars.

Holly was going through something out of her control. She took a life and has lost her freedom in exchange, but will slowly regain her sanity. The Dix family will have to settle with the little bit of closure they got from this whole ordeal. They lost a daughter, a sibling, a wife, and a mother to mental illness. In her place, all they gained was a memorial park at her favorite spot, a small seating area, including a bench and some pretty landscaping. A landmark to remind them of their immense loss.

Their only solace is their loved one's murderer was caught, and hopefully we'll never be able to hurt anyone ever again. That does it for this episode of Sword and Scale. We hope you've enjoyed it. And listen bitches, don't extort Hollywood and stay safe. Music Hey my, this is Steph. I'm calling to tell you I kind of cheated on you last night and I looked into a different true crime podcast, but I honestly didn't even finish the episode because it was so monotone and didn't even hold my attention. And then today I looked into your new episode 176 and I realized it was the same story, but how do you hold it in so detailed and gruesome?

And I need to say entertaining, but it's just a horrible story, but it is. So I just wanted to call and tell you what everybody tells you. Your research and your writing and how your team produces and presents a story is what puts sort of scale on the next level compared to other 2 Prime podcasts. So I just wanted to call and say thanks for everything you do and repeating our inner sickles and I hope you enjoy your holiday and we look forward to hearing from you again right? Bye Mike! you