Sword and Scale - Episode 238

Episode Date: April 17, 2023

In February of 2020, Orange County deputies reported to an address in Winter Park, Florida, and discovered the body of an adult male in a suitcase. This incident appeared to be a tragic accident triggered by alcohol, but upon further investigation, a deeper evil was finally unmasked.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences Listener discretion is advised The problem is I fell asleep. I fell asleep when he sees you are this. When I found it before you called. Yes! Alright guys, here it is. Season 10, episode 238 of Sword and Scale. A show that reveals that the worst monsters are real. Listen guys, I know it's weird for you, I know the electronic music. I know it's not the spooky Halloween tunes you're used to. I know you clicked on the face of a creepy

doll and expected death metal to start blasting out of your iPod nano. But that's just the basic bitch in you talking. Simmer it down. Simmer it down. It's going to be okay if something mindlessly cliched doesn't appear in front of you every three seconds. You will survive! Well, you may, who knows how fragile you are. Regardless, I'm still here doing the same thing after ten years. But hey, maybe, just maybe, your

naggy little DM will finally get me to see the error of my ways and start opening up the show with a little Lizzie and a makeup tutorial. Have you ever had an interaction with someone that just left you absolutely dumbfounded? I know I have. Maybe they have you questioning reality itself, or even your own memory. Some people have this keen ability to manipulate, and they make you feel like you're just going crazy, not even understanding what's real anymore. Nothing makes sense. It's quite a feat, really, to attempt to make a sound-minded adult believe that the

sky is green, even when they're looking right up at it, and see that it's blue. It takes a particular set of skills to be able to pull that off, yet it seems like we keep seeing examples of that in pop culture and Twitter specifically. I hate to bring up the amber herd case yet again, but watching her testimony may have evoked some of the same feelings you've had with people like this in your life. The gaslighting. The incessant gaslighting. The incessant gaslighting. So much of our interrogation audio features perpetrators who've been caught red-handed,

yet still, somehow, try to explain away all of the irrefutable evidence against them. To the point where you just start going, are you crazy? Or am I? Many of these suspects go to laughably ridiculous lengths to try to prove their innocence. And again, these manipulation tactics sit in the toolbelts of more than just the murderers on this show. You might have had an excerpt that fits the bill. Sure, the ability to twist and manipulate emerges at its full force when someone is faced with the possibility of life in prison or even the death penalty. But for most of the people in this scenario, the interrogation room wasn't the first time they've had to employ these tactics. It becomes even more of a habit. It's their way of life. It's a treasured part of their

personality that they arrogantly think will help them get out of just about any situation in life. But when up against the clear eyes and sober mind of the justice system, however, these petty amateur techniques tend to make suspects not look innocent, but dumb. What is the location of your emergency? 4748, France Court, apartment 3. 4748, what's the straight name? Grant's F-R-A-N-T-D. And the apartment number? 3.

Enter the police and medical. My boyfriend is dead. Okay, send the line for the file department, do not hang up. Well that's abrupt. This call came into the Orange County Sheriff's Department around lunch time on February 24, 2020. The caller lived in an apartment complex in Winner Park, Florida, and as you just heard, she was calling because her boyfriend was apparently dead. Okay. You just need your McKenzie drive. I don't know where that is.

Okay. I feel like park apartments. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's you with park apartments.

Okay. Okay. Four seven, four eight friends, correct? Correct. Correct. All right, correct. And now tell me exactly what happened there. My boyfriend already were playing last night and I put him in his case and we were playing.

Okay. And we kind of had to see kind of things. So I tell asleep and I woke up and he was dead in the suitcase. So I don't know what happened. In case he didn't catch it, she said, I woke up and he was dead in the suitcase. So I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. OK, what's your apartment number?

Three. Um, apartment three? Yes, like he has like, like coming out of his mouth and I don't know if like he had to get angry with him on the spot, nothing. Right, okay, all right, okay, this is what we're getting out of there to you. Right, okay. Okay, guys, and now? Okay, four, yeah, men, this is what, on our way out there, you had four, seven, seven,

one, six, eight, eight, six, eight, six, four. Okay, you'd be hanging from somewhere, what, man? No, I'd pull it out of the suitcase. I'd try giving him CPR. Okay, so he was in a suitcase? Yes, and I fell asleep. Okay, how old is the, how old is the working man? 42, you were a man.

All right, okay, we're working man? 42 year old man. Okay, we're working together. We're starting to have a podium. Sheriff's eye shadow out there. Yes, I'm fine. Yeah, okay. All right, listen to me. Okay, I'm going to see that you need to confirm this one.

All right, I'm going to see that you need to confirm this. Easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, easy, conscious at all. No, be purple. Ready to be breathing. No. All right. I need you to get him on the floor front and his back floor, okay? I did, I did, I tried giving him CPR.

All right. I tried giving him CPR. Yeah, okay, well, it? Do you have an AEDA available? No. All right, do you write by him now? I'm sorry? Are you right by him now? Yes. Okay, okay, Lane, Flatterer, Flatterer, Flatterer, Flatterer. So, this is cold and stiff?

Yes. Okay. Well, he's not necessarily cold, but he's stiff. So, he's very cold. All right, just a minute. I want you to lay him down and back from the floor. I did. We're moving the pillows, OK?

Yes, I did. All right, OK. With you. He's still and purple. All right, OK, listen, OK, man. That's fine. We're still going to put two compressions on him, OK? All right.

Please see you in your hand. All this is a breastbone right instead of the chest. Rubbing the nipples. Yes. Would you add a top of that hand? Very. I'm telling you. Just look at that hand yourself. OK.

OK. Twins, OK, you're scurgled. OK, listen to me. All right, I want you to play the key of your hand. OK, ravaging the chest, ravaging the breath balls. Yes. Put your other hand on the top of that hand. Yes. We want to pump this test in the hardest fast.

One of those twice per second. I'm doing it again. Okay, no, just keep on pumping. That's all you need to do for me. Keep on pumping this test for minutes. I don't need you to stop and talk or anything. I just want you to kind of load for me, okay? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen. Notice how the dispatch operator had to basically force this caller to perform CPR while on the phone so he could hear it happening.

Okay, man, just keep on pumping. Yes, it's all you need to do for me, okay? Yes. On me, hurry up. Okay, man, man, they're driving their staffs as they can. Okay, don't stop the say hurry up. Just keep on pumping and counting. I'm not still doing it on pumping, just wait.

Okay. Go do it. All right, just keep just continue pumping. I'm still doing it one problem. Okay. Go do it. All right. Just keep just continuous. I'm just counting on a second count with you. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 11, 12, 13, 14, 13, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 25, 30, 31, 32, 3, 30. Okay, Amanda, get near there faster than can, okay? He's there, and he's purple. Okay, can you open his chest from the end?

I'm still doing it, okay? They're doing it. He's coming in the house. Oh, right, okay, that's fine. Do the e-book, I'll just keep on doing it for you. All right, they're getting there faster than can. I'm not always gonna share this office also, okay? Three. If you were on the other end of this call, you'd probably be thinking, this is going to

go one of two ways. Either this woman is really distraught and has a lack of patience because of what she's just been through, or she's a real piece of work. And deputies are about to have an interesting day. Okay, keep on pumping, man. One, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four. Keep on pumping, for me, man. I'm not doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Okay. We're playing the game, P.

Okay. All right. I understand. I just keep on coming for me. Okay. Okay. Okay. He's hurting.

Right on him. He's horrible. He's just horrible. What happened? What happened? What happened? Okay, man, just keep on pumping the chance for me. Okay? They're in the parking lot. They should be called there shortly, okay?

I'm still doing it. Okay. All right, okay, good. You found them in a stool, as you said? I'm still doing it. Okay. Okay. You found them in a stool, T.S. He said? Yes. We're playing hide and seek last night. I thought it was free. I think that's it. I'll just keep on poppitating.

I'm going to wait here. I think I am. Okay. I am. Okay. At this point paramedics in Orange County deputies were arriving on scene. Police were greeted by a frantic 42-year-old Sarah Boone. She was a small, mousy woman with a short, bob-and, bad posture. She had her hands clasped together, pulling on her zip-up hoodie like a child, as she waited for the officers to approach. So right off the bat, Sarah was concerned with making the property manager aware of the situation.

Also, she didn't seem to be even a little bit sad about the death of her boyfriend. It seemed like her primary emotion was confusion. How could this have happened? We were just playing hide and seek. I really need something to drink. Okay, well I got my doctor's time on the counter. Okay, okay, you can do one second. What's going on?

Who will see to you? Boyfriend? Yes, because we're like three and a half years. What happened? We drank last night, we're gonna put some together, we've been doing some art right there. You were putting a puzzle together? We'll see to you. We'll see to you. We'll see to you. We'll see to you. We'll see to you. We'll see to you. We'll see to you. We'll see to you.

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I called him over here. Okay. I didn't know what to do. Okay. I didn't know what to do. Okay. So there was a lot of information in those short interactions. First, she seemed to be concerned with getting something to drink.

That cotton mouth is really annoying. Sarah will mention this several more times to the officers while they're on the scene. Then she explained to one of the deputies that she and her fiance had been drinking a bottle of wine the night before. Sarah also told the deputy that she and her boyfriend George Torres had been doing a puzzle and some arts and crafts out in the main area of the apartment when they decided to play hide and seek. You know, like adults do.

I guess everyone has their weird, what would you call it, quarks? I mean, let's also keep in mind that these are two people in their early 40s, playing hide and seek. Anyway, Sarah went on to tell the deputy that George decided to get into a suitcase, as you would. They thought it would be funny. It does sound like we're talking about a couple of 10-year-olds left on their own, but I digress.

At the end here, Sarah shared with the deputie that the man approaching them was her ex-husband. Sarah called him first, because she didn't know what to do. How bizarre is this whole situation right now, by the way? Here, let's talk about it a bit. I called you guys. I thought you were probably on it. I said, the problem is, it fell asleep. I fell asleep.

When did you do CPR? This morning. When I found it before you called. Yes. I'm on it before you called. Yes! I'm on a clock right now. I tried, I was awake, but I actually got out of the bed at like 12, 30-ish. What?

So I came down stairs, and I was like, Oh, he's in the suitcase still. That's what I found in my second house. I tried doing CPR, and then I called him, and then I called you guys. Did he get here before the fire department got here? Who? Did I have some? Yes. Okay, get here before the fire department got here? True. Did you have some food?

Yes. Okay. Where do people at? Right down the street. Okay. So you were planning to do this to them up there? I did! But did I tell a sweet! A whole ton.

You're a fan? I don't, I wasn't here. I'm just trying to figure out what happened. I saw a sweet. I don't know if he's not the kid in the room. Like I had an inner-ish or a heart attack or what? What a medical condition is this? And then that I know of,

I said that you know of, you take on metal. No, no, no. All we had was a bottle of wine. Literally, just a bottle of wine. OK. To and puzzle artwork, then we decided to play hide and seek. Just a bottle of wine, doing puzzles, artwork,

then we decided to play hide and seek. Not even chat GPT could make this stuff up, guys. That's all that happened. Okay, that's all. So don't do a piano, all this echo, what in there, like, hey, so what happened? So how long were you doing CCR on him? Try it, see, follow that one one.

You try that all more. Yes, okay. And then I called him while I was doing CCR. What happened? He's probably been here with all parts. Here, let me show this definitely, ain't here. What's your name? You start probably giving me a wet fall part. Here, let me show this deputy, and okay. Please, ma'am, my doctor Pepper, I am a low cut now. I'm sorry.

Let's give this to the deputy. I'm a male. I'm a male. It's on the counter. I can't leave you anything from out of town. I see, like, I'm making a difference. I don't want you passing out. This is probably a lot for you to be able to do.

I need to fix it. I don't want to do water. I can get you some for you to be able to do. I need water. Sit, put it in. I don't want water. I can get you some water, okay? I want you to be that on your seat, because I don't want you passing out. I need to be your seat. You can generate your call. I need to use any water.

Okay, I'll get some for you. Just so you can visualize this properly. Sarah Boone's facial expressions throughout these interactions are very startling. She's wide-eyed, a little bit scary looking, kind of in your face with a leaning forward posture that kind of makes you want to slowly back away, especially given that it's point-of-view body cam footage. If you go watch it, it looks like she's coming for you. Go check it out.

Links in the show notes. Anyway, it was apparent to everyone on the crime scene that something was not quite right up in Sarah's head. She eventually got tired of waiting for a drink from someone, so Sarah went over to the outdoor faucet, meant for hoses, turned it on, and crouched down to drink from it. Meanwhile, the same officer that had been interviewing Sarah had moved over to interview Brian Boone, Sarah's ex-husband. He seemed to be much more clear headed. I'm going to hide out. This is supposed to be her day. You'll never know. It's important. Okay. I'm really happy. I'm pretty good about always doing it.

That's right. Okay, so Sarah is someone who tends to drink and forgets to pick up her own child for visitation. But Brian Boone had a lot more to share. So, let's call him to find out if he can be getting his brain for a long time. to share. So I started calling like 1130, called every half hour hour so and then finally got a hold of her 1249, which is what was going on and it might come over here like you know, got over here told her she called 911, gets me over here and then I came over. Got over here, told her she's, you can call 911, get some of the over here, and then basically she says

she needs to go outside, have a drink and a cigarette. Okay, so that's pretty much the way you have. A little bit tight for us. We're gonna make a few phone calls, and then we'll go from there. You know she has medical issues, or I don't know. Okay, look, she is met him before.

I've met him before, yes. They've got a whole fun history. So these two had a long, exciting history. The Sheriff's Office was already very familiar with this couple, but Georgia's suitcase demise wasn't a cut and dry death, not by any means. Despite Sarah's odd mannerisms and statements, investigators never could have imagined

a strange path this case would take them down. I'm going to go to the next room. On February 24, 2020, Orange County deputies arrived at an apartment complex in Winter Park, Florida, and discovered a dead body in a suitcase. That body belonged to 42-year-old George Torres, Jr. Apparently, while he and his fiance were playing hide and seek the night before, George decided to get into the suitcase and allowed his girlfriend Sarah Boone to zip him up. If you're a guy, listening to this, never do that. There, I just saved the life. Sarah frantically claimed that she fell asleep and forgot about George in the suitcase.

When she woke up the next afternoon, she told police she went downstairs and realized he was still zipped up inside. When she opened the suitcase, it was clear to her that George was dead. Sarah's ex-husband Brian Boone called her during this debacle earlier in the day, and he was actually the one who convinced her to call 911. Once Orange County deputies completed quick outside interviews with both Sarah and Brian, they packed up Sarah and the police cruiser and got another statement. In the front seat, can you state your name now? Sarah Bim. I am going to read you your rights, but it's just because that's how we do things. Okay. So last night, you said that you and your boyfriend George were here at your residence

and tell me what you guys were doing next, like what was happening. We had a bottle of wine. We painted. We drew. We did puzzles. Do you remember what wine you guys were drinking? What is work in sugar may? OK.

The bottles are in the trash. OK. Notice how she was adamant about the fact that she had a bottle of wine, but then went on to tell this investigator that the bottles, plural, could be found in the trash can. It's also a bit odd that Sarah seemed to continually try to inject the puzzles, arts, and crafts into the story as if those details held any importance whatsoever. And you guys were doing puzzles and art listening to music and enjoying each other's

company. And all downstairs upstairs, where do you guys stand? Downstairs. Okay. We usually sit on the back porch because we smoke, you know, I'm smoking side, so okay And who was here last night? Was it just the two of you? Yeah, okay. No one ever came over at any point. No, okay. We called his daughters on FaceTime We're just literally just enjoying when others come in. Okay, and you guys share the phone that you have correct

So tell me what happens next. You're painting, you're doing this puzzle together. You obviously finished the bottle of wine. Yes. Did you have one or two bottles of wine? Well, we had one previously. That was maybe not even half full. Okay.

But then, so you finished that one and then you had the full one yes, okay, and From there just waiting we were puzzled out we were painted out Mm-hmm, so Be in silly. Let's play hide and seek which we have played before like I don't know if you've Stoke in the door on the top of the stairwell, like he and I have hidden in there before, like just having fun and enjoying each other's company. Okay. So, I mean, that's literally all it was.

And then the suitcase is downstairs because I was telling you, we were going to do donations. And because it's not a very good suitcase, the, what was the question I'm sorry? has it's not a very good suitcase. The... What was the question I'm sorry? You were just explaining to me the night? Oh, he decided to hide in there. So, being silly, he and I were sitting there laughing at it, like, with him in there.

And then... So, I didn't zip it up all the way, but I mean enough to where his little fingers were out there and whatever, but still having a good time and whatever. Then I guess I decided to go upstairs and I don't know, I fell asleep. So I woke up this morning and again again thought he was downstairs on the laptop looking for a job as he usually is. And then thought, where is he? Is he on the back porch? Is he in the bathroom? Like, where is he? And then I came to about the suitcase. So, I opened suitcase. I took him out,

stretched him out. For reference, Sarah is about 530 pounds, while George was 540 and 140 pounds, I mean, the guy fit into a piece of luggage. These height and weight details come from police records and prior domestic violence incidents. But in each of George's mug shots over the years, he starts to look more gaunt. He was a skinny guy to begin with and in his final mug shot, he looks sickly. I started to do CPR where air was coming out and then like whatever, a gurgle. So I'm trying to do CPR on him. I'm shaking him, trying to get him to come to, but I could tell by looking

at him, something was wrong. He's been losing his teeth lately and has been complaining about his chest hurts, which is why I keep trying to get him to go to the doctor, but because he nor I have a job or insurance has been put in it off. So again, so I didn't know what to do, so I called Brian, my ex-husband. I called him, he came over, just walked in and then walked out. I grabbed my phone and I called you guys. After hearing Brian Boone's account of the situation and the 9-1-1 call, I'm sure you're realizing

the discrepancies in Sarah's recollection of events. That's not quite how it all went down. Not to mention the lack of logic and so many of the decisions Sarah made. Why on earth would she leave him zipped up in a suitcase before going to bed? How could she have forgotten? Why did she wake up so late, almost 12 hours later, and still not remember George until she saw the suitcase downstairs? I'd also love to know what she dreamt about. The first time you woke up this morning, did you look at your phone, just see what time it was? No.

Most of the time, I'll wake up, but because he, nor I have a job, I'll usually just lay in the bed for a little bit longer, because the house is clean. There's nothing else that we can do. Me thinking he's on a laptop looking for jobs, I can't use the laptop. So most of the time I'll just stay in the bed and collect my thoughts and get ready for the day.

So do you have any idea what time you woke up that first time? What time it may have been? I don't know if you guys have any. I'm going to say 11-something. 11-something. Okay. Maybe. Is that when you finally got up or is that the first time you woke up? I'm gonna say 11-something. 11-something. Okay. Maybe.

Is that when you finally got up or is that the first time you woke up? No, that's the time that I decided to get up because I figured he was downstairs on a laptop. So I can look for jobs on the laptop and then it usually all clean, he'll look for jobs or vice versa, we're all look for jobs of hill clean. Okay.

So you think you got on about after 11, at some point. Yes, okay. But we can't recall which time, do you think you were up for like hours before that or wanting your thoughts? Ryan, because I was supposed to have my son today to come up from school.

Ryan usually calls to make sure, hey, are you sure you're getting Lucas today? Because I'm up from school. Brian usually calls to make sure hey are you sure you're getting Lucas today because I've had job interviews. Right. Are you going to pick up Lucas? So after he called like maybe three four times maybe five I've finally answered and that's like. Do you think you were sleeping and miss those calls? No, I ignored them. You ignored them? Because he's notorious for blowing at my phone. Okay. But I understand why, because he's making sure that Lucas gets home.

Right, yeah. This woman has a history of drinking and forgetting to pick up her son from school yet, she chose to ignore her ex-husband's reminder calls that morning. There was nothing on Sarah's mind, laying there unemployed and bed at 11 a.m. Nothing was important to her that morning, least of all her boyfriend downstairs suffocating in a suitcase.

This is also something Sarah seems confused about. She doesn't understand what happened to George, like a toddler who squeezed a hamster too tight and doesn't understand why it's no longer moving. At some point someone would have to explain to this lady that she killed George Torres, no matter how you slice it. happen. I don't know what I mean. He and I were having an amazing time yesterday. Like we normally do. No arguments. No. Nothing. Okay. And the thing with him though is which is why we've been doing puzzles and artwork lately is that he's been stressing out about a job of course. Of course. Which we've talked about. So what I

did was start having him do puzzles and artwork to keep his mind off of it. Okay. His ex-wife is all over him about sending money, which he can't do because he doesn't have a job. Right. So he was stressing about that. He's been stressing about the job, but that's why I started to buy puzzles and paint to get his mind off of them. Which is what we, I don't know if you noticed on the wall in there, it's all of our artwork and stuff.

So I don't know. I mean music, art, and playing with the dogs, dancing around the room with the dogs, and then decided to play hide and seek. Because we're always trying to outdo each other on where we can find, we can hide the best. Even though these sound like made up excuses, something tells me these people might actually have been the type to play hide and seek. How often do you guys play hide and seek? Gosh, that was maybe what, third time?

Maybe. Okay. That was maybe what the third time? Maybe. OK. Is it a more recent game you've gotten into or three times the totaling your relationship you're talking about? Lately. Lately. Because again, we were puzzled out,

but we painted our ready, so why not? All Sarah remembered is that she and George called and talked about his two daughters, then called Sarah's son Lucas before playing hide and seek. By this time it was dark outside. Okay, so you know it's dark out, but you're not really sure what time it is. You play hide and seek. How long do you guys play hide and seek before he decides to get into this case? Wasn't... Proxon.

Wasn't really... I hit upstairs in the shower. Mm-hmm. And then... Came downstairs because I was tired of hanging out in the shower. Okay. So... That's when he was playing around in the suitcase.

Okay. Because... We both thought it was funny, that, oh yeah, well, I'm gonna zip you up. Uh-huh, you didn't come look for me. So, again, it's a broken suitcase, but... What do you mean you're broken? It's only got one of these. But because I didn't zip it up all the way, he was doing the

you mean it doesn't have like the pole part? Correct. Okay, but it's got I think it's got a what do you call it? A clip. Okay. So the zipper to it is missing like the actual zipper that attaches to it to help you open and close is missing, but you think a paperclip was on it and it's done. There is a paper, I believe there's a paperclip on it because I know that the last time you

used to like help us assume. Well, or you can just stick your fingers in there and- Right, yeah, yeah, you can do it. I was at the same place. So, which is why I did not zip it up all the way. Okay. So, how much did you do it yourself, which is why I did not zip it up all the way. Okay So how much did you zip it up?

I mean, I don't really know you said his finger. He was a his fingers were able to stick out. Yeah, two fingers. Okay. Yeah, so I'm figuring and he He'll go get it. He'll get it But then I wanted to go upstairs and waited for him and eventually I guess I fell asleep. I had the dogs in the bed with me, it was warm and then fell asleep. Doesn't she know that during hide and seek you can't all be hiding? Has someone explained the rules of this game to this woman? Someone has to be actually seeking. That's the point. That's why it's in the name of the thing.

I can't get over how strange this explanation is. To get a better understanding of Sarah and George's dynamic, police spoke with the property manager of the apartment complex. Sarah and George had lived in their unit for a couple of years by this point, and the property manager had quite a bit to say. Sarah, when shortly after she moved in, with George, she came to the office to talk to me.

We noticed curses and stuff on her. And she asked me if she could talk to me privately and ask how I could, how she would be able to get George off of the lease, is there anybody to do that? Which prompted deeper conversation. She presented it to us, let me know. And she was showing me a lot of Bergs' and Marx, and with him, Prince, and scratches,

she had one point out to go to the hospital or multiple conversations that we had. It's sadly progressed. You know, she had a very large gash at one point in her shin. She had to go to the hospital and get that taken care of. But you know, she came to me at one point asking, you know, what do I do by how and I get rid of him? You know, I don't know. be out with this type of situation. I just counsel her as she continued to come to me and explain her, you know, she had to make a decision. If she was going to stay with him or not be with him, if she, you know, was going to try to work things out, we need to suck out therapy, you know, something.

It wasn't too long after that last conversation that I found out the police again and George was arrested. Less than a year prior to the suitcase incident, George was arrested for battery or dating violence as Florida calls it. Here Sarah's ex-husband again. Again For the two of us Really, okay, I'm not familiar with I haven't been here personally He's currently on

Yes Because you're the Mexican violence with her. Yes. You're OK. OK. Well, I think you got him. We trials something or other. He had to go to a domestic violence class. I know he was doing it at a parole officer. It's not like that, but I mean, I remember the time she had to rest. Like, hey, she was trying to get a deal about it. So I was like this.

Sarah told police that George had hit her, that she'd been beaten in the face, head, legs, and arms. She told them she begged George to stop and that George allegedly replied, you are going to die. Sarah said he then punched her in the head and threw her off the bed.

The incident was apparently triggered by Sarah talking to another guy. The officer who responded to this call noted that Sarah did have injuries to her face and hairline and scratches on her neck. He also noted that George had scratches on his neck as well, though he couldn't remember how they happened. Sarah's odd behavior makes a lot more sense when you factor severe alcoholism into the equation. She wasn't just a wine mom, she was that crazy falling down drunk neighbor person. is just always something pertaining to their lifestyle. I do know that I have seen both of them intoxicated as early as 9 o'clock in the morning, and I named staggering falling down intoxicated

and both of them. And there was always a point that I had received about some fighting one day that was going on and Sarah was actually wandering around the property, very drunk, barefoot, not properly dressed. I'll say like that, sitting on the side of her building. I will buy the protection card. Sarah and George's next door neighbor also had a few odd interactions with the couple.

Like, what do you mean interactions? I remember one night she slept on the back porch of my apartment for some reason. I don't remember much, but I just remember looking up the shape and see her like laid down. Did you wake her? No, I just sleep. And by sleeping, you guys all have like a cement area, right? Like a back patio, but it's not enclosed. No. Just pushing a chair on the ground,

or on the ground. Okay. Any other run-ins with her? I think you've witnessed with her. I was coming home from class one night. I would not be able to give you a time period on the show. I remember when it is. And I was waiting on my room to get home

because I had left my keys in the apartment. And I remember she came over and was talking to me for a minute. And it was very visible that she was talking to me because she didn't want to be in her apartment. I don't know why I didn't ask, but it was just very evident that she didn't want to be there. Do you ever speak with George Winer's husband? Did he ever confine in you about their relationship? The one time where I was just saying that when I talked to her her she wanted me. She asked me to go talk to him. But she's like, please go put the fear back on. I'm a very stern property manager and I don't call her in a lot of trouble. And she knew that and she seemed scared of So I said, sure, no problem. Just stay here.

I'll talk to him. I went over and sat down, talked to the order. I'll turn from about 30 minutes all together. And, you know, George had explained to me that she was actually the aggressive one. And the reason she ended up with marks is in my, I'll say my first session of what he was trying to say, explain is that she's wearing a hands-on in the face, you know, dramatized, and talking and explaining her or possibly whatever they might have been doing. And I believe that because my assistant doesn't have

like, deal with her little weirder like the Blake, because she was always drawing, and she's very hands-on. There was one day, as my character was at same day, that I talked to George by himself, Maybe the property manager was on to something. Turns out some of which she had to say was backed up by police records. A year before, George was arrested on battery charges. Both Sarah and George were arrested for battery against each other.

The first case in 2018 was sparked by Sarah asking another man for a cigarette at a bar. This version is all according to Sarah, by the way. Apparently George was angry about her talking to another man, and the two went back home and continued arguing. Sarah claimed the conversation became physical when George dragged her upstairs, and in the process, she told officers George kicked her in the eye with his heel. He refused medical treatment. George's sequence of events was a bit different, though. He told police that they were both home that night drinking and arguing, as they do.

George said that he tried to go upstairs to avoid Sarah, but on his way up the stairs, she grabbed his throat, with both hands and began choking him. Both Sarah and George are relatively small, skinny people, and George said he couldn't breathe. George told them that at this point, he kind of collapsed and was sitting on the steps, kicking at Sarah, trying to get her off of him. He said he really felt like he was going to suffocate if he didn't stop her. And in the process of frantically kicking, he admitted that he may have kicked her in the

face. The kicker here is that the injuries more closely matched George's version of events. See what I did there? Officers took photos of the strangulation marks and abrasions on his neck and of Sarah's bruised eye. Both of them were arrested. The second incident in 2019 ignited when George allegedly stormed into Sarah's bedroom while she slept and began screaming, punching her, and pulling her hair. During the deputies

and counter with Sarah, he noted that she was angry, obviously very upset and continued to apologize and state that she was fed up with being hit. The officer saw that there were marks on the left side of her neck under her jaw, and an old bruise on her eye that she stated was from an incident a few days prior. In this case, when cops were questioning Sarah, George wasn't around to tell his side of things. When they did finally track him down, he acted very surprised to see them. An officer noted that George had some injury near his eye

but refused medical treatment. The report mentions several times how surprised George was, especially when they asked George what happened to Sarah. He told him point blank that he didn't know. When they asked him how she got the marks on her neck, George alluded to the fact that he himself gets hit all the time. He asked the officer, what am I supposed to

do? They told George, okay, well, why don't you call the police on her when this happens? George said he wouldn't do that. So they said, did you give her those marks in self-defense? He said, no. Then they asked, did you hit her because she hits you? And George refused to answer for the rest of the interview. He was arrested for battery. So now fast forward almost a year and we're back to February of 2020. On the 23rd the day before George's death, 2020. On the 23rd, the day before George's death, he had a short phone conversation with his brother. His brother's recollection of that call gave detectives a good idea of how the relationship had been going lately. Despite Sarah's report, they had been getting along swimmingly. I was like, okay, so I put it on speaker. So my kids are there like they joke around on him.

He was joking around with them. And we're talking and he's talking to me about when we were kids. And then like a couple minutes after that, she, that's when I hear in the back, start arguing with him, no, I have to call my brother. I have to talk to him and he's like, no, I'm talking to my brother.

It was her phone, so. And then she starts arguing and telling him that, no, I'll tell him what you've been doing to me. You told me this, that, but he was calm. And he was like, okay, I got a natural blow. And then he said, I love you. And I told him I love you. Basically, I was in.

So she's, he was in the background tell, tell him what you've been doing to me. Yeah. You've been choking me. Yeah. Did you ask him anything about that? No, because the thing with them They would fight and they would hit each other because there was times he came here and she I hit him with a phone

And he had a black eye so it was like did you witness? I didn't get to see it, but he told me so okay So so you guys know that there's domestic between the two? Me too. And I told them to get out of there, get out of there, I would tell them leave. And what's crazy is that he would leave, come here and she would call and tell them to come back

and she would come and get him. I've been told about my neighbors. I'm sorry, I don't have it anymore, but at one point, a tenant actually sent us a video clip via text, them two fighting and beating them each other out in the back door. I thought her share her made it to someone, you know, or was it emergency? She could reach out to me and I would do my good to help her, I called out for her. But after a while, she just kept taking them back and taking them back. I just sort of asked him, you know,

you just have to have a good situation on your own. I thought maybe she don't want it to stop. You know, she's not doing anything to get help or bring to you, and we just keep dealing with it. I mean, you know, there comes a point where it's just too big. The common denominator here is that Sarah's version of incidents seem to consistently leave out or twist some details, shifting all of the blame off of herself and onto someone

else. And let me tell ya, it only gets worse from here folks. On February 25th, 2020, Orange County deputies recovered the body of George Torres Jr. from the suitcase he died in and performed a non-topsy. The next day they spoke to Sarah in the interrogation room. So this morning we went to his ultrasound scene and we were informed of some injuries that he has by the doctor. So he's got scotch marks to his back. I know that's fine. And it's called a contusion, you know, contusion age.

So basically you're getting hit and then you get a mark from it. You'll get bruising. Like someone hate you or something like that. It's called a contusion. So he had some injuries to his left shoulder. He had a cut near his leg lip. We could see his mouth was a little, I haven't laid him on him.

Okay, also two, I, he fell off my son's bike. Okay, so I don't know. And he's notorious for running into the wall, or the whole tree, otherwise. Okay, I don't know what about the scratches. Because there's also sex. Yes. Okay. Because there's also sex, okay. Because there's also like a scratch on the back of his neck, like kind of like going, but it's like going straight across.

I have no idea what that's about. And they're all recent, like if they they they occurred recently, it wasn't something not a career post or that a career week ago, two days ago, three days ago, they definitely occurred, they definitely occurred the night leading up to when he was in all honesty. All honesty. We have not gotten into it. That's why the only thing I thought you guys were going to ask me about, which I was going to ask you anyway, I just scratched my ass when I was back.

Everything else, I had no idea what it is. Didn't she just say that the bruises and other injuries were from falling off a bike and running into walls? Now she's saying she doesn't know about the bruises. She only has an explanation for those scratch marks. We're just talking about what occurred Sunday. It's like I said, the injuries are... They occurred within that time period. So you're talking about day before yesterday? Sunday leading into Monday. You called it yesterday at 1, so but the incident,

you guys were painting and stuff the night prior. Correct. So we're talking about Sunday. And then why? I'm thoroughly confused because we had a good time sitting on the back porch, having wine, and snow-gum-gum-gum cigarettes, and then decided to go inside and literally paint, do puzzles, and play. And there's no music. That's why nobody got a sword. This is what's mind blowing to me. Like I don't, I have no clue., no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, valley were after you like gotten home around 1030. There was a very loud crashing sound

where I believe I'm not sure I'm in there or I'm not sure I'm in there. But I believe it's the location of the other stair case. So a little bit above a very loud use of crashing sound. Yeah, like it sounded like something. And like, it was downstairs. Because it started out high in the end. And it looked. Hm. Sounds a lot like he's describing a heavy suitcase

being thrown down a flight of steps. He also had, like on the left side of his forehead, he had basically bruising and like his head in the skull, I have no idea as if something hit him. I consider not for touch-tammer. I have not touched him. I have not touched him. How would you get those interviews?

Tell me in Mubozo, I have not touched him. We had a good day. It was a good day. We've had good days lately, even considering everything that's going on with our jobs and life in general and ex-life and everything. It's been good. I don't even know where this is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know what physical is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from.

Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't even know where it is coming from. Yeah, I don't read you guys and take that either. Like we've been good. I don't know. It's like the last time he got out of jail. Like we've been good and he's been having his classes and seeing his probation officer, who's amazing.

So... What do you mean by good, which are definitely not good? The probation officer? No, you said you guys have been good, which are definitely not good? The information officer. No, no, you said you guys have been good, which you're definitely good. I think good I don't think you will understand. He comes at me all the time. He comes at me Then why are you still with him? Everybody ask me that when I tell you guys this I really love him like I do and I feel like I can help him like I feel like I could love him. Like I do, and I feel like I can help him. Like I feel like I could help him, which I did, because he's come a really, he came a really long way.

From where he was, and Philadelphia, to moving back to here, and to dealing with everything else that he's been dealing with, I just really helped him. I've built him out of jail, what, three times. I've gone to every single hearing, and every single agreement, everything that I did for him. Going to see all his public defenders, go to the state, I've gone to the state. I did everything for him because I'm trying to help him,

because I had to open him. And he was trying. I was really trying. Just, and then he starts to think about things and just I think he gets overwhelmed. And then it's like, thanks to the guy, he's drinking. So it's like, oh man. Just, it means it starts to think about things and just I think he gets overwhelmed and then it's like, thanks to the thing I know he's drinking. So it's like, oh man, I know where this is going to go, so I'm going to go upstairs and

read a book or I'm going to go for a bike ride or I'm going to do something else where I don't want to drink. I don't want to drink. The attentional wine, whatever, or if it's a weekend. That's when you have a good time. You don't have to wake up the next day. I have to wake up the next day and do things. I have to tend to look at things. I have to take them to school. I have all this stuff to do. He doesn't know how to maintain himself where I can do 50 things at once and still know the 50 things more previously, prior that I need to get done. He can't process like that. He didn't process like that, so he would literally not literally, but have smooth come that out of his ears.

So the next thing you know, he doesn't want to deal with it. I'm going to go get something to drink. So the majority of the time I would hang out outside or do something else because I don't want to drink. The man you're about to hear from is a maintenance worker at Sarah and George's apartment complex. And he's also a childhood friend of George's from back in Philadelphia. They were close friends from the time George was 14 to his mid-twenties. They reconnected 15 years or so later when George moved into his unit. Throughout the years that the couple lived in this apartment building, the maintenance guy

had been in and out for repairs. He was around a lot and he saw a lot. This allowed him to get to know Sarah pretty well. He often chatted with George separately, rekindling their friendship and eventually had some deep conversations with George about his relationship. I'm a word of the fact that George had a probation officer. He was in an administration and again they had their good times, their bad times. Sometimes he would instigate the situations, majority of the times Sarah Roan instigated the situations, and she had to go with loses, but that's more of him pushing her off of himself.

Okay. And that's what he told you. Yes. Okay. And she got her heart in the middle. Sarah got her heart in the middle. Okay. Did she go to her heart? I did. So, you were ever with you? Yes. Okay. Were they both drink along? Yes.

Yes. Okay. Um, what? In excess. What? In excess. They didn't drink to drink. They drank till sunrise, sunset, all the time between.

They just had a very rocking physical relationship. I don't know. Um, did you ever see Mark's or Bruce's on him? All the time between they just had a very rocking physical relationship. I don't know if... Did you ever see Mark's or Bruce's on him? Yes. Okay, like what? Scratches on the neck. And they said with him with her attacking hand he's kind of just trying to stop her back

but because she's such light skin since he actually insta bruises all across the arms, they could detonate you. Right. Even though Sarah kept repeating over and over to police, that she and George had been doing well over the past several weeks, she told the maintenance man something different entirely. Did they hit that until fight?

He grabbed it while the hair and dropped it downstairs. Two days prior? Probably about few days prior to George's death. According to Sarah, she got dragged by her hair again. Who knows what else ensued? What other details she might be leaving out? The important part is that Sarah was probably angry after that encounter and felt like she had the right to hurt George in response. And no, I'm not just speculating about this.

This time Sarah didn't just scratch at his neck to try to strangle him in the heat of a scuffle. It seems like some parts of this crime were planned out. my television because he's the literally drunk. More buzzer time, I just don't want to be there. And I try to help him. I try to calm him down. Eventually, he just pops out. Well yesterday, I mean, it sound like you guys were just drinking like a glass or two. Like, yeah, you obviously had the bottle, but you told me on the, yeah, but you told me

on recording, like, that you me on recording like they were not drunk He was not drunk you guys right? I'm a time. I don't get I can't get drunk. I never mind. I do not want to get drunk I don't like being non-complimented having my wits about myself. I don't like feeling out of control So I'm just saying you're you it sound like he's arranging alcohol today and yesterday I was kind of asking you those questions and you're like a little defensive like no we're not alcohol it's he I'm not you're not you know but you guys are both sober on Sunday so you're not a little bit because when I said you went and passed out you were like no I didn't pass out I just fell asleep

so now it's kind of like, what is it? Were you guys drinking? And it got out of here? And it got physical? No, or is it Sunday? It was one of the better days that we have had in quite some time. Unfortunately for Sarah, the truth of her drunkenness

would probably have helped her in this case. She must have been so wasted the night before she totally forgot what was on her phone when she offered it up to detectives as proof of George's abuse. What they found instead was proof that Sarah had murdered George. and it was in play because... Why do you say that like that though? I would never do that! Do you remember zip them up in the suitcase? Eh, well, I mean... I mean, we were playing! No, I did, but I said, I'm saying, I won't tell you no, I didn't see, which is a game.

So, um... Okay, so, do you ever making any videos or maybe having any cover? Anything, any photos, videos that you remember doing on your phone on Sunday? No. I think I took a picture of a dog. Okay. Okay.

So I have something that I want to show you that we found and it was from your phone. You see that? You need to move it around, go ahead. No, I don't remember that. For everything you've done to me, for everything you've done to me. Your battery's not that short of deal. I mean, for everything you've done to me, your fire is not bad. Sure it is. No.

It's okay. Is it long? Because I don't know how much I can take. No. I don't know how much I can take. Conveniently, just as detectives were revealing the smoking gun, Sarah pointed out that the laptop was dying. And then it did.

Here's the video they found on her phone. It showed the downstairs area of the couple's apartment and a dark colored suitcase face down on the floor. Except the suitcase was moving and a small voice could be heard coming from inside of it, pleading for Sarah to let him out. Do I have to wash this? I can do the other thing, I don't want to see it, that's okay. Well, it's on your phone, and you can either explain it or we take it for what it is. Yeah, we're just trying to give you

that opportunity to tell us what's going on. That's it. Everything you've done to me. So, for everything you've done to me. So, fuck you. So, fuck you. Sarah. Fuck you. Sarah. Stupid.

Sarah. This is my name. Don't worry about it. Sarah, I can't fucking read me. Sarah is me. Yeah, that's when you're doing it. Shook me. Sarah.

First of all, Sarah is absolutely wasted in this video. You can hear it in her voice. Second of all, this man still kept his calm demeanor and even called Sarah babe as he was dying in the suitcase that she trapped him in. Needless to say, this audio is horrific. Sarah. Sarah. Sarah, I can't breathe, Lee. That's on you. Sarah, I can't breathe. It's on you. Sarah! Real around some. I want to give you a video for it extra.

I think I was gonna get this. Sarah. Real around some. Sarah. Sarah. Sarah. I can't believe it. Oh. That's why I like when you're doing on me.

Sarah, I'm talking to you. I've been waiting so long. Yeah. You should probably shut the fuck up. There's two different videos, still picture-worthy. Yeah, I sure that you're flipping them in different positions and having a shame that you can't breathe in your same spot. So this is upside down.

So in order for him to have gotten into it, it was flipped up. Right. It was flipped up normal. Like if you're packing something. So this is upside down. Guys, this is killing me right now. So this image is upside down and then this small video that occurred 11 minutes later, it flipped over the other way, closer to your dining room table. Okay.

Now, he's obviously still in there. So he didn't have to go from the back to the front. I flipped it okay My name was not to go upstairs and go to sleep Well, that's what you did, but not intentional No, you told me you went upstairs because what you were ready for bed. Stop here. Okay, but Show me where you can see any fingers coming out because there is the end. It's in his head right here.

So going like this, rather than going all the way up, it's like this. But why is he saying I can't breathe and why is he pushing on it as if he can't get out? There's no hole. There's no fingers. I don't see what to tell you. Like I don't know. Like what you want me to tell you. I'm just showing you. I'm just telling you what we see. And what we've heard from the other fan. I understand. He's begging for you to let him out.

You sound... You're laughing in the beginning and then in the end it sounds kind of like a... No. It, not malicious. Oh, same, fuck you. It's not malicious. What is that? What is fuck you mean to you? Well, if you were to, if I were to tell her, like she does, like I get told everything

by a white woman, so my intention was not to leave him in there. Please understand that my intention was not to leave him in there. But you went upstairs thinking that he could get him out, but the video shows 5.9 seen his fingers and then 30 minutes later he didn't show. And then 30 minutes later he didn't show. And I was terrible at that. Do you think he was laughing? You told me he was laughing. And we were. But the video, there's no work out in there.

Both of us were. So how long was the end there for? Like this video is on 11-12 when it starts. So it was the end there for like a long time prior to you. No, I was reading this. No. No. So it goes from't. No. No. So it goes from funny to no longer funny, but you're the only one laughing.

But I didn't think that he was like, panicky. I didn't. So pushing up on a suitcase saying Sarah, Sarah, Sarah. I can't breathe. George has done that in the past before, too, where it's just like he thinks that he's, what was me kind of saying? Where it's like, I don't even have been lost in the suitcase, but no, are you going to get out? So please don't, I don't need to sound negative, and I don't know if I can say this, but like, it's like you guys are

kind of trying to like feed me, like, you know, I'm just trying to show you a video that you no longer want to watch because you probably don't want to know the outcome of how and what you said well I know what you know what's on that video now you remember making that video so why don't you remember making the video probably because we have been drinking but you want to drop and that's how the whole rest of this interrogation went. Sarah continually tried to go back and forth on weather. They were drunk or not and adamantly repeated that she thought George should have been able to get out of the suitcase

Over and over again. She claimed she had no malicious intentions when she went upstairs to bed and she had no malicious intentions when she went upstairs to bed and just left him there. So you all think that it's like, oh good, I got it. And then there now I'm gonna go sleep. If I were to you guys are trying to assume or trying to like, we're just the video is very portraying of the opposite of what you told us. It is not leading up, it is not mentioning what statement you give us in the car. So that's why we want to know. And I don't remember doing that. The injuries are not consistent with what you told us. So we have a lot of inconsistencies and in the video, explain this self.

It really, truly does. There's this. So it doesn't matter anything what it is, I say. So it makes no difference whatsoever. You're lying and you're not, you're now changing your color. So you're lying about what? You're now, now you're drunk. All I ever said that I was drunk.

Exactly what you did here today. That's okay. You said earlier. Everything, everything, or alcohol. You blame it on alcohol. You blame it on alcohol. You blame it on alcohol. Alcohol does a lot to people.

Yes, but I never said I was drunk. You did. So you did that sober. You knowingly left them down there sober. I have already told both of you also that we were both drinking. But you want to admit that you were drunk? I'm telling you all both. This has changed my life.

I will take this. I don't know. That's interesting, man. Absolutely. Sarah was arrested at the end of her interview and was charged with second degree murder in the death of George Torres Jr. This all caught her a bit by surprise. Wait, why isn't the gaslighting working?

This has always worked before. These upcoming clips are lengthy lengthy but well worth it. Okay Sarah. So you're not free though. Okay. Do you promise everything you told us this is the truth? Or no. Everything we've talked about today? Yes. What do you mean? I think he helps us wear. Remember I was wearing yesterday on the audio recording? I just forgot.

So you raised his hand to remind me to tell you, okay? Do you promise him to wear that? Everything we've talked about today has been true and accurate to the best of your knowledge. Or which true and accurate to the best of your knowledge? What did I wear? Did I send to him? Everything you've said today, or which true and accurate to the best of your knowledge. What that was in a time zone? Everything you've said today, everything that's come out of your mouth has been true and accurate to the best of your knowledge.

To the best of my knowledge. Correct. Yes. Why? Because we saw for somebody we need to to assure that everything that we've talked about is true and accurate to about to that working college. It's not a true question.

To the best of my knowledge. To the best of your knowledge. Everything that you've told us today is true and accurate to the best of your knowledge. Yes, but it was not intentional. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

All right. Come here if I ever stand up. And it's your final place to go. The change is behind your back. Do you have anything in your pocket that I should know about? No. Okay. Why is it happening? Because George is that. Not intentionally.

We understand that. He's still dead. Well, we know. So, when you need to call Ryan please Okay, okay, I don't make a phone call you will make a phone call Here to ask you You read your right You're response, you're right.

You're response to everything was basically, I didn't do it. Intentionally. That's a good idea. No matter. Still left. Me and Favorite. How was she? So if I didn't show up, why are you targeting? So, for you all that I could leave, that I was done after that.

We were done, yes, we were done. So now, so that's what it is. We are done. Right. Not intentional. So what am I supposed to do now? You will. Someone needs to call Brian.

Look at this is waiting for mom to come home. This was not my intention. I thought I was waiting for you all to come and figure out what's what and how many? That's what we're trying to do. And I was going to be able to go home and see Lucas. Now he's just not going to have me come home. So there's nothing that I can do. I know. There's nothing that I can do in order to go home and see Lucas and prepare. All right. No, no, no. You'll be afforded the time in court. You'll be afforded an attorney.

You'll be afforded the chance to talk to a judge. And all that stuff will be worked out. So what's the time frame for that, though? I have no way. I'm going to be able to tell you. You should make first appearance, probably. Tomorrow morning, the hot tonight, depending on how things are busy,

how quickly you get down there. I don't worry about that. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. And I need water like really bad, please. I'll see. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen.

I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. I don't think the commission is just gonna happen. Sarah pleaded not guilty to her charges, and we may never know if she ever got that drink of water.

She has, however, had six lawyers, so there's that. Numerous attorneys have filed motions to withdraw from Sarah's case. Some of them approved for things like conflicts of interest, but others for an irreparable relationship between client and attorney. This woman sounds like a regular basis. Angry that her case still hasn't been taken to trial. Well, Zara's getting her wish. Her trial is scheduled for the beginning of April, and by the time this episode is released, the case should be either winding down or have already been wrapped up.

I'm sure you'll be seeing lots about it on social media, so if you can, you know, tell them about our coverage of it if you don't mind. None of you tweet anymore, do you? In any case, it was Sarah's intention at the time of this recording to pursue the battered spouse syndrome as a defense. Color me shocked. But hey, recording the sum of you, I just hate women. Oh well.

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