Sword and Scale - Episode 268

Episode Date: July 14, 2024

In April of 2017, Georgia teenagers Johnny Rider and Cassie Bjorge unexpectedly arrived at a friend's apartment. The young couple appeared distraught and injured. Later, a SWAT team came to collect them. Johnny Rider and Cassie Bjorge were arrested and charged with committing a brutal double homicide.

Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. What was the reason for that? Just to bring her to the bathroom? Yeah, I don't know why we brought her back into the bathroom. I guess we didn't want to bring her into the bedroom. And then, yeah. And then Johnny slit her throat too. Hello and welcome. This is season 2 episode 268 of Sword and Scale. A show that reveals that the worst monsters are real.

Well, we have a new episode of Sword and Scale Television in case you haven't seen it. It's episode 4, the story of Angela Bledsoe. And it really does prove that if you are a woman, my heart goes out to you because, eh, Georgia, is the small county of Gwinnett. Within that county there is an even smaller city named Suwannee. Suwannee is a progressive place with a rapidly increasing population, and it is currently ranked by CNN as number 10 on their list of 100 best places to live in America. With a low cost of living, a low crime rate,

and a fairly decent public education system, Suwannee is pretty much as ideal as it gets for the typical middle-class family. In 2017, there was a small family living in Suwannee. They were the Spencers. In 2017, there was a small family living in Suwannee. They were the Spencers. On April 8th, the mom of the household Linda Spencer was at home with her 14-year-old daughter.

That night, at around 9.30 p.m., Linda's daughter was in the kitchen baking a cake when she heard someone knocking at the front door. It was like, I'm gonna say like 9.45, something like that last night because my son wasn't off of work yet between, I guess, 9.30, 9.45. And he knocked at the door and my daughter answered it and she had the top lock locked so she thought it was her brother. So she went to unlock it and looked at the peephole and saw it was Johnny.

So she opened the door and he walked in and I don't think he had any shoes on, but he had basketball shorts on and a towel around his neck. The young man at the door was 19-year-old Johnny Ryder. Both Linda and her daughter knew Johnny. He was friends with Linda's son. When Johnny entered their apartment, it was obvious that he was having a very rough night. Johnny was shirtless. His eyes were beet red and his nose was caked with dry blood. Also, Johnny wasn't alone. With him

was a girl that looked to be about Johnny's age. What do you know about her? What's her name? That's Mom? No, it's the girl that he's with. I've never seen her before, Mom. First time? I just assume it's his girlfriend. Johnny and his presumed girlfriend were distraught and had obviously just been through some sort of tragic and possibly violent ordeal. So Linda asked Johnny what happened.

He was upset and I asked him what's wrong. He said he got into a fight with his mom and she pepper sprayed him and kicked him out of the house. And I talked to him for a few minutes and I gave him a hug because he was crying. He was really upset last night so I didn't ask him too much about it. I figured he'd talk with my son about it when he got home.

Linda didn't get many answers out of Johnny, other than he'd gotten into a fight with his mom, who apparently pepper sprayed him and threw him out of the house Linda's teenage daughter who was with Johnny witnessed what had happened All he said was um Hey, you know he was crying. He's like my mom pepper sprayed me on the house I like hit something and I he pushed us all the way out of the house

And I guess I'm thinking Cassandra's there. She said that I got some of the pepper spray Linda's daughter also learned the name of the girl who was with Johnny. She was 17 year old Cassandra Björk Now how do you know Johnny Cassandra? Okay Okay Now how do you know Johnny and Cassandra? Well, he's my brother's friend. Okay. So they've known each other since I think middle school, I think it was. Okay, so he's Jacob's friend? Yeah. Okay. He's his friend and then we just met Cassandra last night.

Oh really? He asked if he could come in, so I don't know who she is. Okay. Cassandra or Cassandra Björg, or Casey as she was known, met Johnny through a mutual friend and the couple had only been dating for a short time. So when did you and Johnny kind of start dating? It was around the time I saw you. That was about, I don't think a month ago, so. I was. Yeah, I was around then. Was it?

When questioned by police, Casey explained what she witnessed happened between Johnny and his mother. And like his mom started tripping out on this, thought we were intruders or whatever, something. And she started yelling at Johnny and going crazy and then all of a sudden there was pepper spray everywhere. She started pepper spraying us. Really? His mom?

Yeah. She was pepper spraying us and our eyes were burning, and, like, we were trying just, like, to get away. After the fighting and pepper spraying ended, Johnny and Cassie went to the only place that Johnny could think of to go. They went to Linda Spencer's apartment. Johnny was friends with Linda's son, Jacob, and he was hoping to find Jacob there.

Jacob was at work at the time, and the only people home were Linda and her young daughter. Still, Linda took Johnny and Cassie in and allowed them to spend the night. Then the next morning something unexpected happened. When they started making an announcement I was in my room laying on my bed trying to wake up my daughter and I heard the announcement. I thought it was a joke because I knew that they were having coffee before I went into my bedroom and I thought, oh, okay, they know somebody with like a megaphone or something. So I called my son, I'm thinking, what the hell are you doing? And then I look outside the blinds and I'm like, what the hell is going on?

Because I saw the van with somebody up on top. I mean, when I saw a SWAT team with a van and somebody, I was like, fuck, this is... A police SWAT team stationed themselves outside Linda's apartment. And through a megaphone, a SWAT officer ordered everyone in Linda's apartment to come outside. When this happened, Linda's daughter went into her brother's bedroom, where she found Johnny and Cassie. First of all, just kind of tell me what? What happened this morning? I know you said you were asleep and everything, but I can't

I just woke up okay, and then all we heard was the sirens okay? You're freaking out and then we're like what's going on and like? Times they said oh yeah, my brother and my mom just went outside. Yeah. Then I went to my brother's room where they both were. Who was there? Johnny and Cassandra. Okay. They were there and I was saying I'm scared

and he was hugging me and said it's okay. Linda, her daughter and her son promptly followed the instructions of the SWAT team. They went outside where they were detained and questioned. Meanwhile, Johnny and Cassie remained in the apartment and refused to go outside. It turned out that most of what they told the Spencer family were lies. Johnny's mom did not pepper spray him the night before and she did not throw him out of the house. So you guys come home, you know Johnny was smoking weed in the living room with his girlfriend?

Yeah. It was smell, so Mindy was like, as first, first we, as Mindy first entered the house, she was like, did you smoke inside the house? Mom's coming in 10 minutes. And then we walked into Mindy's room, and as soon as we entered the room, everything was just flipped. Everything. Even her friend's watch was gone, half of her clothes were gone, and all her stuff was just flipped. All the boxes, private personal stuff were flipped. So we were really mad. We knew Johnny did it. So we were asking him, did you do it? And he was keep lying. So I was like, oh, it's okay, show your room, you know?

We can call police about it. On the evening of April 8th, 2017, 20 year old Mindy Ryder and her boyfriend went out to dinner together and later arrived at Mindy's house. When they walked outside, they saw Mindy's younger brother, Johnny, and his girlfriend, Cassieie on the living room couch.

The house reeked of marijuana. This was concerning because Mindy's mom was expected home at any minute. Eventually Mindy made her way to her bedroom. Once there, she found out that she'd been ransacked and she suspected that her brother was the culprit behind, said ran-sec-ing. When Mindy and her boyfriend confronted Johnny, they threatened to call the police. At that point, all hell broke loose. And I told my father, I know you did this.

You guys, you and your girlfriend are the only ones that have been home. Like, just own up to it and tell me. I won't call the cops or anything. And at the time he was on the phone with my mom and he was like, so if you don't, if I own up to it you won't call the cops? And I said yes. So that's when he hung up and I hung up on the police, like I already dialed 911. And then all of a sudden he goes out and comes back in and just sprays us straight in our

faces and starts hitting us and tells his girlfriend to go grab the bat. As soon as like few seconds later I start getting bear spray. It wasn't even pepper spray. So I start getting for a good 10 seconds. I was in the room, that gassed up room for a whole time. I had to fight for my life and Mindy, they also tried to kill us. Johnny was holding my head. He was telling her to smack my head, go bring a baseball and she brought the baseball.

She hit the Mindy's head and her head was open. And I see her come in with a bat and the first thing she does is hit me across my back. And I try to grab it from her and she hits me on the head and Kevin and Johnny are fighting in my room so I chase her out to the living room. Well who had the bat? Both of them, Johnny and the case, the girl. So both of them took turns with the bat? Yes sir. Or they each had a bat? They each had a bat. We were all bloody. I eventually went to the bathroom and I washed my face and I tried to get blood and pepper spray.

Johnny and Cassie attacked Mindy and her boyfriend. They sprayed them with bear repellent and attempted to beat them unconscious with baseball bats. Eventually Mindy retreated to a bathroom where she could still hear the fight and mayhem through the bathroom door. I hear Kevin begging my brother like, Johnny, please don't do this. You don't have to do this. And I went in the room and Johnny had Kevin in a choke hold and my brother's girlfriend was in there with a bat.

And so I was able to grab her by her hair and take the bat away from her. And I started hitting my brother, telling him to let go. And then I handed the bat to Kevin. And then Kevin was going to hit my brother, but my brother caught the bat. And then we all fought over the bat. And it was me and my brother on my sofa.

And then Kevin grabbed a beer bottle and told Johnny to stop, to just let us go and like we won't do anything but my brother said he will never do that and so Kevin hit him on the top of the head with the beer bottle and then shattered. We kept fighting for the baseball bat and then he told his girlfriend to go get a hammer like a big steel hammer like this big. After Johnny had a bad knee hold it and then Johnny was like bring a hammer, like a big steel hammer like this big. After Johnny had a bad knee, we hold it, and then Johnny was like, bring a hammer.

He told her to bring a hammer and smack it on our heads. Essentially, Johnny and Cassie tried to murder Mindy and her boyfriend. Thankfully, their attempt to commit double homicide was unsuccessful. But how did you guys break away from it? They just left? No, I fought for it.

If I did not defend or defend Mindy, we would have been possibly dead. OK, so you fought them off and then they just left? And her mom came. I took... A car? They're leaving a car or what happened? Mindy's car is missing.

OK. Eventually, Mindy's car is missing. Okay. Eventually Mindy's mom showed up and when she did, Johnny and Cassie fled. On their way out, they snatched Mindy's car keys and stole her car. According to Mindy, this wasn't the first time that her brother Johnny stole something. Johnny had a criminal history. And at the time of the attack he was on probation. What a great system.

I'm not sure if you know already but he has previous criminal charges and my mom's still paying his bail right now. What were they for? Going into vehicles and taking people's things, cars. After fleeing the scene and stealing Mindy's car, Johnny and Cassie drove to Linda Spencer's apartment. Again, Johnny was friends with Linda's son, and he was hoping to find her son there. Linda's son was at work at the time,

but he did eventually come home and speak to Johnny. I was at work, so I didn't get here until 10, so I didn't see. What did your mom say? Who'd he show up with? Cassandra or Cassie whatever. Have you met her before? You know her? No. I only saw her at high school. I never talked to her anything. So he showed up with Cassie. What did he say? Why did he just show up? He said that, well he got pepper sprayed by his mom.

He said that, well, he got pepper sprayed by his mom. And he told me that he was just talking to her and that she got, she's pepper sprayed him in the face and that she kicked him out and that he came over here nowhere to go. He didn't even want me. You really think his mom pepper sprayed him? Johnny and Cassie lied to the Spencer family about what happened and Linda Spencer agreed to let them spend the night at her home.

The next morning, a SWAT team came looking for them both. Watch out who you let stay in your home, people. Especially if they show up shirtless and bloody in the middle of the night. When the cops showed up, what did Johnny, what, how did Johnny act? Well, we didn't know who they were calling for because we couldn't hear. And then I said, Johnny, they're for you. He's like, okay, and he just kind of sat there and was talking to Cassandra. He was saying, I'm not going back to jail.

And I was like, Johnny, you have to go out there. I told him, you can't do that to us." The Spencer family left their home and were promptly questioned by police. Meanwhile, Johnny and Cassie remained inside the Spencer apartment. I'd like to know what makes this guy click. Something obviously snapped and I don't know. I want to say because he also beat the shit out of his sister and his sister's boyfriend with a baseball bat. She had to get seven staples in the head, there's a welt on her back, her boyfriend got his tooth chipped out. Mindy? Yep. So something's a very he's a very angry person The attack on mindy and her boyfriend was brutal

and as the police continued investigating they came to find that This attack didn't just happen out of the blue because of an argument about a messy bedroom This attack was planned Johnny fully intended to murder his sister and her boyfriend. I really think they planned this before I got home. Because I told them my mom's 10 minutes away, and they seemed kind of shocked. And then they seemed really calm.

And then they sprayed us and tried to knock us out. Thankfully, Johnny was unsuccessful in his attempt and then they sprayed us and tried to knock us out. Thankfully, Johnny was unsuccessful in his attempt to kill Mindy and her boyfriend. The young couple was able to defend themselves. Unfortunately, this wasn't Johnny's first attempt at double homicide, and his earlier victims weren't as lucky. A few days before Johnny attempted to kill his own sister, he violently attacked an unsuspecting married couple as they slept, and brutally murdered them with a tire iron... and... a butcher knife. In April of 2017, 20-year-old Mindy Ryder and her boyfriend were brutally attacked inside

their home. They were sprayed with bear repellent and beaten with baseball bats. Thankfully, the attack ended before either of them lost their lives. The culprits behind the violence were Mindy's younger brother, 19-year-old Johnny Ryder, and his girlfriend, Cassie Bjorg. 17-year-old Cassie lived in Gwinnett County, Georgia. When Cassie was about 15 or 16, she moved out of her mom's house to live with her grandparents,

Wendy and Randall Bjorg. According to their neighbors, this move that Cassie made was done out of necessity. And I never really asked Wendy any questions about it. Like, I just let her tell me what she wanted to talk about. Yeah. I guess Wendy and Randall found out that Cassie was being sexually abused by her stepdad. Okay. So, you know, they filed for emergency custody because Amanda, her Wendy and Randall's daughter,

wasn't doing anything. Okay. Allegedly, Cassie had been sexually assaulted by her stepfather, and Cassie's mom hadn't done anything to stop the abuse. So Cassie's grandparents took Cassie in, and despite their best efforts to help things didn't go well. Cassie was unruly in the very definition of a troubled teenager. Who could blame

her? You say again it sounds like there was a history of something like that going on. She was in and out all the time running away.. Last time she ran away, she was gone for months. Okay. And she had been in and out since then. The problems that Cassie was having went beyond instances of her running away from home. Cassie was also extremely violent towards her grandparents. I mean, the cops had been called out to her house

like a bunch of times. And like, she was on probation during this time for hitting her grandma, so. grandparents. yourself. Where she I mean she went with Wendy's ass. I mean it was pretty bad. Wendy had showed me all the bruises and she did buy Cassie but she bought her because Cassie was chucking her out. Cassie literally had her arm around her neck like this and Wendy squeezed her chin down a bit right here. Cassie dropped out of school and was put on probation in February. They say long term behavioral issues led to her grandparents wasn't good and that she did assault them

on multiple occasions, though from her teenage perspective she felt justified in doing so. I wasn't having a good relationship with my grandparents. It started getting really bad. I got a charge from them because I fought them. I fought them, you know. I might have broken, like, my grandpa's ribs, you know, for that charge for simple assault and simple battery, you know. They didn't really know what to do. They didn't really know, like, how to be around me, I guess. They didn't really know, like, how to talk to me.

As a result of Cassie's violence towards her grandparents, she was placed on probation and several attempts were made to make Cassie understand that her grandparents were just trying to help her. Wendy and Randall only wanted the best for Cassie. And then my grandma just got really angry with me and she told me that she was going to kick me out and that she was going to find somewhere else for me to stay. So in like a couple of days I was like, okay, so I just left anyway. And I was just like, you know, if you don't want me there, I might as well just leave now.

Well, I knew that because she called us and said that you'd run away again and that she was concerned and worried about you. Your grandmother loves you, right? You know how much your grandmother loves you. In April of 2017, Cassie violated her probation by running away from home again after yet another argument with her grandparents. So I didn't know what to do. home again after yet another argument with her grandparents. When Cassie was questioned, she had large bandages on both of her arms because she had recently attempted suicide by slitting both of her wrists.

I just wanted to like to end it. It just felt like so much and so I tried to overdose and I tried to slip my wrists. And you said Johnny was present when you did this? Did he try to stop you? Did he? What did he say? He did the same thing. Why did he do the same thing? Because he felt the same way. They brought you here. Who found you? It was like the SWAT team was looking for me. About a week after Cassie ran away from home, she and her new boyfriend Johnnyder, attacked Johnny's older sister and her boyfriend. They sprayed the couple with bear repellent and beat them with baseball bats, essentially trying to kill them.

Like all that really happened was me and Johnny were just chilling on his couch, we were watching TV, and then, you know, his sister, you know, comes in the house and I go to the bathroom, and then, you know, like I started, you know, fighting and stuff, and so, you know, I separate myself, you know, from that situation, and then his mom comes home, and then they just started yelling like crazy, and then his mom got the pepper spray,

and she started pepper spraying us, and then we were just like, okay, like, let's leave, like. How did the baseball bat get introduced into that? Baseball bat? She has an injury that we're trying to understand. Yeah, she got, she had an injury to her head. That's what I was told. And her back? And her back?

I don't know anything about that. I didn't even know there was a baseball bat. She got injured? Pretty badly. Really? Is she okay? She's gonna be fine. But she got injured? Mm-hmm. Pretty badly. Really? Is she okay? She's gonna be fine. But she got injured that night from an altercation

that you and Johnny had with her and her boyfriend. Who knocked her boyfriend's seat down? That must have been Johnny. When questioned about the attack on Johnny's sister, Cassie lied her ass off, and she was quickly called out for doing so. And I know you pretty good, and I don't think you're being completely honest with me Eventually Cassie did admit to her part in the attack though. She claimed that it was all self-defense Did you hit it with the bat? Did she come at you or something? You were defending yourself? I was defending myself. She was trying to come at me.

Okay, so she come at you when you hit her with the bat? I didn't. I didn't mean to, you know, she was coming at me. I didn't know what to do. I didn't think I did that much injury. I didn't think, you know, her boyfriend broke his teeth, you know? Police investigators slowly got Cassie to admit to partial truths about the attack, but that wasn't the only thing that she was questioned about. The investigators had questions about an

even more serious crime. I think you know why I'm here. And you know my heart is broken. I just need to understand why. I wasn't the one who actually thought about it, thought about doing it. I don't have to anymore. Say it.

Why don't you say it, it's a help. Killing my grandparents. Before attacking Johnny's sister and her boyfriend, Cassie and Johnny had attacked Cassie's grandparents, who were not able to escape the attack. Wendy and Randall Bjorg were dead, and they hadn't just been murdered. Their deaths were unspeakably brutal. Wendy and Randall had been horrifically beaten and butchered to death. On April 9th, 2017, 17-year-old Cassie Bjorg was arrested with her boyfriend, 19-year-old

Johnny Ryder, for brutally attacking Johnny's older sister and her boyfriend. Though Georgia investigators suspected that Cassie and Johnny had more than just two victims. On the day before they were arrested, Gwinnett County police conducted a welfare check on the home of Cassie's grandparents, Wendy and Randall Björg.

When police got no response, they forced their way inside and discovered the bloody aftermath of a very violent and brutal double murder. Wendy and Randall were dead. When Cassie was questioned about her grandparents' deaths, she explained how her plot to kill them developed. how we could like run away together, you know, that kind of like dream. And he asked me, he was like, would you kill your grandparents?

And I kind of like hesitated for a minute. And I was like, why? And he was just like, I don't know. I mean, cause I, he knows probably everything that I've been through with all of my family. When you guys met at the park, did he ever go over the actual plan on how you guys would do it or anything like that?

Or what was that, how? Well, I mean, we were just trying to figure out how to get money. Cassie and Johnny decided that they were going to rob and murder Cassie's grandparents. On a night in early April, they arrived at their home to do exactly that. Cassie and Johnny snuck through Wendy and Randall's backyard and entered the home through a back door.

Since Cassie lived there, she had a key. So getting inside was not a problem. We started moving upstairs. We went upstairs. We needed a little, we didn't immediately go upstairs. Like we went to the stairs and we were like just listening just hearing what was going on we thought everything was good and then we went upstairs and did you guys have anything in your hands or you just i had a car tool is it to do a tire or is it a tire iron it was a tire iron he brought a black book bag That duct tape in it

With a tire iron and duct tape at the ready Cassie and Johnny reached the grandparents bedrooms At this stage in their life and marriage the couple did not sleep in the same room. So Cassie and Johnny split up. And you know, that's when I started hitting my grandma in the head. After hearing their grandfather's screams, Cassie approached her sleeping grandmother and began beating her over the head with a tire iron. I like hit her really hard on the back of the head and then she started like screaming and stuff. And yeah.

Was that the first hit? Yeah. In the back of the head? Yeah. That's where it made me hit her, in the head. So I started hitting my grandma and I already had duct tape and then, you know, Johnny's doing his thing.

And, you know, I stopped hearing Johnny doing whatever. And so he comes in the room with me and my grandma and, you know, he helps me like tie up my grandma with the duct tape. And how do you tie, how did you do that? Is it just her hands or? I got her hands, I got her whole head, and then I got her ankles. And then I dragged her into my grandpa's room and Johnny asked me to go get some knives.

So I got some knives from downstairs in the kitchen and I got three big butcher knives and then that's when he started like stabbing my grandpa. And then when Johnny's stabbing your grandfather is it mainly in the torso? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, he just, I don't know why he did that, but he just kept going. How many times? More than two? More than five? Yeah, more than five. Okay. More, he just, I don't know why he did that, but he just kept going. How many times? More than two? More than five? Yeah, more than five. Okay.

More than five. While wrapped in duct tape after being viciously beaten, Wendy Björg watched in horror as the man who had just been her husband for over 40 years was brutally stabbed and sliced to death. – Yeah, I mean, she kept saying, I'll give you money, I'll give you my keys, I'll give you anything you want. I went in the closet because that's where they kept the safe. So I go in there, I'm checking out all the stuff and I grab the book bag and I just start stuffing the book bag with everything. There was envelopes just filled with money. There was probably about like a thousand dollars that we found in that safe.

So after that, he slits my grandpa's throat and then we dragged my grandma into the bathroom. J.D. After the safe was looted, Wendy was brought into her bathroom, where her life also came to a horrific and brutal end. I actually hit her in the back of the head with the tire. Well, not the back of the head, but like right where your spine is. Cause he was telling me he was like, if you hit right there, like just one like good hit, you can just knock the person out and then they'll be dead. And she was like pretending to be dead

for a while. Like I would, you know, check up on her and I would see that she was still breathing and I'll be like, Johnny, she's still alive. What the heck? And then like Johnny finally like, like made the like last blow. And then yeah. And then Johnny slit her throat too and she it was was kind of creepy because she was like scared to die like she she shitted herself and peed herself. How did she? It was kind of gross. All the looting and murder that Johnny and Cassie had done left them kind of hungry so when they were, they decided to grab a bite to eat. When you guys left, where'd you guys go to? We went over to like Kroger or Publix to go get something to eat.

And then we went back to the house. So we just kind of like chilled there. Did you guys kind of just stay in the house then or? Yeah, it was kind of both. We were kind of like in and out of the house for a couple of days. Johnny and Cassie stayed in Wendy's and Randall's home for days after the murders. They slept downstairs while the corpses of their victims remained upstairs. They didn't even have the common decency to clean up after themselves. Gassy claimed that she and Johnny were the only two people in the house during that time, but that was a lie. Yes, I was inside the house while they were dead.

I didn't know that they were dead. Cause that's the main thing, obviously I'm curious. I don't know when exactly it was, but they had been inside the house for a while because you could smell it once you walked inside the house, both walking and it smells like shit. No, you're saying it smells like shit. The I didn't really think much of it because the entire house was trashed. Like they had so much Chinese food on the floor that the black cat was eating and all this stuff. The cops knew Cassie lied to them because one of Cassie's friends recorded a short

video with their cell phone while they were inside the house. After the video was revealed to Cassie, she had no choice but to admit to inviting friends over. Now, I have trouble inviting friends over, even really close friends, if the guest room hasn't been cleaned up in a while. So to have corpses upstairs and invite people over, that goes beyond my level of understanding. I'm not asking for a day. I'm just asking for in seven days after you guys killed your grandparents. You may have noticed that throughout her confession, Cassie showed no emotion. She was cold and didn't shed one tear for her grandparents.

Yet when she was called out for her lying, something bizarre happened. Cassie weirdly showed emotion. You literally have showed no emotion towards your grandparents and I don't have a problem. Like I don't know the life that you were having, but why are you showing emotion with when I brought up Sunshine? What the hell is this chick? You know what I'm saying? She's just a close friend. It only seems that you're sorry you got caught that you had people over after. You don't seem to be sorry that you killed your grandparents. I am.

I'm just letting you know. I'm just letting you know. A few days after Wendy and Randall were dead, Johnny and Cassie decided that they were going to commit more murder. They hadn't had enough. They wanted some more. So this time, they set their sights on members of Johnny's family Because how close you commit murder to your own home is a direct correlation of your level of stupidity In fact any kind of crime looting for example if you loot in your own neighborhood You're a fucking idiot First we got my grandparents, then that's why we went over to Johnny's house

and we attacked his sister and her boyfriend because he wanted to kill his family. Okay. So that's like, we stayed in town for a couple days because we wanted to get some money, we wanted to get ready to leave. And then that plan just going over to his house kind of just like, it didn't work out at all. It just went downhill from there.

Johnny and Cassie went to Johnny's mom's house. Once there, they trashed the place, looking for money. Then when his sister and her boyfriend arrived at the house, Cassie and Johnny attacked them with bear spray and baseball bats. We had a bear repellent that we bought from Bass Pro Shop. What was that for? For the, just to like, get them away or to like, kind of like knock them out. That stuff is strong, like. Yeah.

This stuff, oh my gosh, it was so crazy. Like it was just all rushed, like it was just, the spray was going everywhere. And it was like, like your eyes were burning, like your body was burning. It was so painful. And who did you guys spray? Who got sprayed with that? One of Johnny's sisters and her boyfriend.

Johnny and Cassie didn't anticipate that when you use bear repellent in a confined space like a house, everyone in the space is going to feel the effects. You want to know why they didn't assume that? That's because they were fucking stupid. Criminals are usually fucking stupid. In short, their plan to commit another double murder didn't really go as planned. Johnny's sister and her boyfriend were able to fight off the attack

and when Johnny's mom came home, Cassie and Johnny fled. They stole his sister's car and drove away in a panic. The next day, the SWAT team arrested them, but not before both Johnny and Cassie tried and failed to commit suicide by slitting their wrists. Of course this is something they would also fail at. And as for the incident that happened with Johnny's place, you're charged with Two counts of assault and obviously with your grandparents now You're being in charge of malice murder for your grandmother and then malice murder for your grandfather

After Cassie confessed there wasn't much left to do but charge her and Johnny with a slew of crimes Of course, there were some non-legal and important questions worth asking Like I don't know. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why would you do this?

Why? How could these teenage morons be so vicious and cold-blooded towards their own families, their own flesh and blood, the people that gave them life. What could have possibly happened in their lives to lead them down to this very, very low point? As far as Johnny is concerned, we really don't have a lot of answers. He may just be a moron and that's it. There's lots of those in this country, unfortunately. just be a moron and that's it. There's lots of those in this country, unfortunately. It seems that nobody who knew Johnny even saw this coming, but people close to a killer rarely admit that they do. Because then a bunch of other questions need to be asked.

And they, you know, who wants that kind of responsibility? Well, I don't know what he was doing to Johnny's mind because I met him a couple of times and The investigators trying to make sense of things did sit down and speak with Johnny. Though their conversation was brief and didn't dive too deeply into his thought process about killing people. Where'd you go to high school at? Peachtree. Peachtree which? Did you graduate from there?

Yes sir. You do college or? I did do an acting college over at Elgin and Tate. Okay. I took business college. I took math and English. Okay. How'd you meet Cassie?

How did she come into this? Did you go to school? I did. You did? I did. You God. I really wonder. How'd you meet Cassie? Like how did she come into this? Did you go to school with her or did you?

I just went with her. Just a trippy girl. Does that one bother you? Lady Manner, just a trippy girl. What do you mean, trippy? Just a lot of spirit or? Yeah, spirit spirit. You know that girl, first love at first sight. You mean Trippie just lost spirit or? Yeah, spirit's kid. Johnny seemed like a normal teenager. He had some misdemeanor charges for theft,

but otherwise he came off like a typical kid. After a few minutes of being questioned by detectives, Johnny asked for a lawyer, which shut down his interview. Were you okay talking with us right now without an attorney? I would just... I don't really feel comfortable. From Cassie's perspective, it seemed like Johnny was in a similar boat as her.

According to Cassie, Johnny felt that he was being disrespected by his mom. He had two jobs, he was back in school, he was getting his shit together, and then his mom kept saying, you're just worthless, you're not doing anything. On top of the issues that Johnny was having with his mother, he may have also been dealing with some serious mental issues, though the things that indicated mental illness might have been an act. At one point, Johnny left his mom a very haunting voicemail and it's hard to tell if this message is genuine or if it's just theatrics. I'm sorry. I keep it in here. I'm sorry.

Tell my dear I'm sorry. I'm not well. I'm mentally crazy. I'm dying as we speak. I'll see you later, okay? Bye. As far as Cassie is concerned, she can't be the only one who's

in the hospital. She's not the only one who's in the hospital. I'll see you later, okay? Bye. Bye. As far as Cassie is concerned, she too had issues with the adults in her life, specifically her grandparents, though it seems like she had no legitimate reason to dislike them. After Wendy and Randall Björg gained custody of Cassie, all they did was show her the kind of love and care that any teenager would be lucky to have.

They got custody of her, and then right after that happened, they surprised her with her to Disney World. And then last summer they went to China? Yeah, they went to China for judo stuff. Oh, yeah? Wendy and Randall took Cassie on special vacations. They enrolled her in school and encouraged her interests. Cassie liked martial arts, so her grandparents paid for her to have martial arts classes.

Cassie even attended a final judo class a day or so after she killed her grandparents. By all accounts as Cassie's caretakers Wendy and Randall went above and beyond. Just looking and talking to the grandparents friends and all that it seemed like they really cared about her. They really did. They took such good care of her. Like she had it like, honestly I don't know why she would do that. I mean like I did love Cassie's person, but she honestly was a really selfish person. She only cared about herself. Did all of a sudden just snap? That's what I'm kind of looking for is what was the snapping point?

Because I've actually talked to some people back in the day who said she was a sweet girl and there was no problems. She had a really fun side, but when she didn't get her way, the anger issues. That much is clear. She violently attacked her grandparents on multiple occasions. But Cassie was also self-centered and narcissistic. She wanted things to be her way and didn't care who she had to hurt to get what she wanted. But I think that it was building up. I don't think it was anything where she snapped because when I talked to her on the walk that her and I were on, I'm like, so what's your deal? I mean, you know that your grandparents love you.

Like, they're doing everything they can to get custody of you. What's the problem? She just said that she was tired of being her parents instead of her grandparents. She said, I'm tired of them always telling me what to do. She said before, you know, it was always fun. And she's like, now they're always at my ass. And I'm like, well, you realize,

like you just did what they're asking me to do. She just looked at me and she said, hey, well, I don't give a fuck. I said, you don't give a fuck, meaning like, I don't give a fuck about anything. She's like, I just want to smoke, do what I want to do, and I don't want anybody up my ass about it. I'm like, so get the job and move out." Allegedly, Cassie was sexually abused by her stepfather, which is why she was living with her grandparents in the first place.

If these sexual abuse allegations are true, that's certainly a terrible trauma that Cassie had to endure. It shouldn't be ignored and it may have been what tipped the scale in her life. However, many teenagers have unfortunately been victimized in this sort of way and that experience does not drive them to commit murder. It does not excuse any further bad actions by that person. You don't get a free pass just because you were abused. It seems that fundamentally Cassie was just a selfish and heartless brat who couldn't see or didn't care to see that her grandparents only wanted to help her.

I mean do you feel bad about what happened? Do you think she deserves what happened? Or what, you know? How are you feeling right now? I'm not in your shoes Yeah, I Mean I was pretty pissed on her for you know the couple times that you know Like she would call the cops on me for you know no reason sometimes they're like They kind of just like really messed up everything you know Like I had to be home at a certain time and I couldn't do as much stuff as I used to do.

You know, that really made me angry too. I used to just be able to do whatever. Just like a lot of the stuff that she would say would be really offensive. I just wanted to get away from all of that. You know, like I was so tired of dealing with my family. I don't know, I just, I started killing my family. Was your mom ever part of the plan?

Of killing them? I wanted to. 17-year-old Cassie did not like having her curfew. She didn't like to be told what to do. Nobody does, after all. She was offended by the guidelines of her probation and the rules her grandparents set in place, the rules that were there for her own well-being. So Cassie brutally murdered her grandparents. That was her solution. She and her boyfriend used a tire iron and kitchen knives to beat and butcher Wendy and Randall Bjorg to death.

Well, I mean, unfortunately, I believe you're kind of born with it. I think she's a straight sociopath. So there's no, when you don't have any remorse in that. And I mean, I think you're kind of born with that gene. Something makes it come out in you, a snap. And, you know, unfortunately, I think there's like four, four percent of people in the country out of social paths. After Cassie and Johnny were arrested, the court proceedings played out as expected. Cassie and Johnny had no legitimate

defense for their actions. So the best they could hope for was a deal from prosecutors, which they eventually got. Tonight a lot of you reacting pretty strongly on our Facebook page after two teenagers were sentenced to life in prison with the chance of parole after pleading guilty to murdering two grandparents. Cassandra Bjorga and Johnny Ryder won't be eligible for parole for at least 60 years. The two of them will be almost 80 years old by then. Johnny and Cassie will likely never see the outside of a prison facility again. I guess you can call that justice, but it's certainly a small consolation for the people who knew and loved Wendy and Randall. This couple was 63 years old when they were killed. 63.

Imagine living on earth for 63 years only to be killed by your own granddaughter. And at that time they were more than just Cassie's caretakers. They were genuinely good people who had a lot of close friends. A quick read of the countless heartfelt comments left on their online obituaries makes it pretty clear that Wendy and Randall were kind, giving, and willing to help just about anyone in need. At the same time, she, anybody could ring her doorbell, she'd open her door for anybody. Like she was just the sweetest lady. After Cassie moved in with her grandparents and began assaulting them, Wendy Bjorg quickly

recognized the risk she was taking, but that didn't stop her. Wendy's heart was too big. Her hitting you and now she's hitting Randall like, it's just getting more and more aggressive. You're not concerned? She's like, yeah. She said one day she's gonna end up killing me. As a friend, what do you, what the hell do you say? So she knew. I think she just loved her. She just loved her unconditionally.

She didn't want to make her feel like she turned her back on her like everybody else had. Yeah, I believe you can love someone too much too. Cassie's grandparents loved her, and that love was unconditional. In fact, if we were somehow able to communicate with the dead, despite what Cassie did to them, Wendy and Randall would probably tell us that they still only want the best for their granddaughter. Sadly, Cassie's sociopathic nature will never allow her to care or even understand what

any of that means. Her little brain is just incapable. Like the detective said, this is a case where two very kind people loved someone too much. Wendy and Randall loved a monster. That monster killed them. Well, that's going to do it for another one. Why don't you go ahead and upgrade today to watch an episode of Sword and Scale TV? It's a good day for it. Beautiful day. Go check it out.

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