Sword and Scale - Episode 321

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

When 41-year-old Erika Huff opened her home to a man in need, she believed she was doing the right thing, but that simple act of kindness would cost her everything. Erika’s generosity was repaid with unthinkable violence, leaving her dead, her mother barely alive, and a community searching for justice.Get instant access to all episodes, including premium unreleased episodes, commercial-free at swordandscale.com

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listener discretion is advised. He came around the corner with a hammer and just started beating me unmercifully, just beating me and beating me, and the blood was just gushing. He said, all of you have just ditched me, and I've got to kill you. You've likely heard the phrase, kindness is its own reward.

This is a belief many of us have. That good deeds might bring a little good karma and that helping someone in need is just the right thing to do. Most of the time, that belief proves true. But, not always. Sometimes kindness is twisted into something dark and ruthless. A simple favor can spiral into a choice that should never have been made. There's another saying, one that speaks to the crueler side of fate. No good deed goes unpunished.

And in the rarest, most brutal cases, an act of generosity doesn't only lead to regret. It leads to suffering. It leads to bloodshed. It leads to death. This is Guardian Medical. Do you dispatch for a medical and police? Yes, ma'am. Okay, we have a medical alert for Klan at 44 Cleveland Street. At around 2 a.m. on November 6, 2015, in Youngstown, Ohio,

911 dispatch received a call from the health care provider, Guardian Medical. They requested that an ambulance be sent to the home. of one of their clients okay what's going on there we had the medical alert to go off and we did not receive a response over the phone or over the two-way and can you tell me about the patient here or um the only thing i'm showing is that she has uh ms and cannot walk and the age they have down is 41 what's her name Erica huff after this call came in an ambulance was quickly dispatched to the home of 41-year-old Erica Huff. Guardian Medical Call. They want you to go to 44 Cleveland Street. The alarm went off there.

And they didn't say what was wrong or anything? No, they didn't make any contact with her. It's a 41-year-old female Erica Huff. She has MS and cannot walk. Yeah, I think we've been there before. Forty-four Cleveland, right? Okay, get them over there. Thank you. This wasn't the first time emergency services had been called to Erica's house. And on the surface, it seemed like just another routine call. But in less than two hours, that assumption would be shattered.

What started as a simple ambulance dispatch spiraled into chaos. Three ambulances. Two fire trucks and several police officers would descend on Erica's home. Among the many people who arrived was a homicide detective. My name is Ron Rodway. My official title in 2015, I was Detective Sergeant with the Youngstown Police Department assigned to the Homicide Bureau. Erica Huff was a 41-year-old who resided on the south side of Youngstown. She had a severe handicap and health issues.

She had multiple sclerosis MS. She was bedridden. She did live by herself, but she had home health aides with her. mother was pretty active in her life, helping her out. Erica Huff relied on a wheelchair to get around and needed daily assistance with even the most basic tasks like bathing, preparing meals, and doing laundry. Things most of us take for granted. Living with multiple sclerosis is no walk in the park. The disease which attacks the brain and spinal cord can cause extreme fatigue, muscle weakness, severe pain, and a host of other

debilitating symptoms. Fortunately, Erica had a loving mother and stepfather who cared for, as well as in-home caregivers from the company Comfort Keepers, who checked on her regularly. Perhaps the hardest part for Erica wasn't her own suffering. It was the fact she couldn't care for her five-year-old daughter. Her illness made motherhood an uphill battle, forcing her to rely on her mom and stepdad to raise the little girl. No matter how much she loved her child, multiple sclerosis had stolen the simple joys of being a hands-on parent.

But despite all these challenges, Erica did her best to push through each day. Then on November 6, 2015, her already challenging life turned into a nightmare. On November 6th, 2015, the first call, I believe, went out around 2 o'clock in the morning, 2 o'clock a.m. It was a medical alert from the home of Erica Huff on Cleveland Street. EMTs and an ambulance responded to the home. That morning, Erica's Life Alert necklace was activated, triggering an ambulance dispatch. For the next hour or so, all was quiet. The responding paramedics never requested assistance or called in an update.

Then at around 2.45 a.m., 911 received a second call. this time from a man named Lonnie Johnson Yeah, this is Lonnie at 44 Cleveland My wife come over because of my daughter Her daughter's long with us And so she came over here to see what's going on And then it was taking so long each time I called Nobody answered

So I came over here and she hollered, run, run And she screamed real loud And I'm almost at the door But the lights are off now I don't know what's going on in that house I don't want to go in there and some of that and happen. I need the cops to come to 44 Cleveland Street in Youngstown, Ohio. Okay.

Are you still there, though? Yeah, I'm about maybe two or three callings away from that house because. What was your name? Ronnie Johnson, Jr. She screamed and told me to run, run, Ronnie, run. And I went to go to the door and I turned around and come back and call you guys, because something, and then the light, everything is off in that house. The lights are off.

I don't know what's going on. I need some help. Okay. Listen to my help. Okay. Carrey, please. Uh-huh. Following Lonnie's call, police were sent to Erica's house, but their arrival wasn't

as fast as Lonnie had hoped. Gankstown, 911. Yeah, I just called that long ago and ask it for a police to come to 44 Cleveland Street. They're on their way. Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay.

Bye. Growing impatient, Lonnie called 911 a second time. Meanwhile, dispatchers were struggling to understand why police were being sent to the same address, where an ambulance had already been dispatched. Why hadn't they heard anything from the paramedics on scene? Did you transport the lady from 44 Cleveland? 44 Cleveland. Oh, that was the medical alarm?

Yeah. No, it was a false alarm. Oh, okay. It was a false alarm once we finally got there. It was false. They didn't take her nowhere. Strangely, the ambulance paramedics reported the initial call as a false alarm. But when police showed up about an hour later, it was immediately obvious that something was terribly wrong.

Smoke was pouring out of Erica's windows. Her house was on fire. Officers quickly requested fire trucks and more ambulances. I think we need you back at 40. before Cleveland. Okay, what's going on there? Okay, I sent you guys there before for an alarm, and now the police were called there.

Some guy called the police there, and they're saying there's a deceased female. Okay. I don't know. They got the fire department on the way there now to gain entry to get in two. Then two ambulances. I don't know what's going on.

Two ambulance? The asking for two, yes, sir. Not long after arriving on scene, the responding police officers made a chilling discovery. They found a dead body. I still don't know. He was saying there was a dead body there. Then they asked for the fire department and then they asked for another ambulance.

Yeah, now my car got unseen and said that there's an occupied structure fire there. We only sent one truck. We didn't call for no. Yeah. Now they're calling for another ambulance. Now they're requesting bladder truck. battalion, too. So I'm not sure exactly what's going on. I just wanted to give you a heads-ups since fire department is involved and there's a dead body there. As more cops, firefighters,

and paramedics arrived, dispatchers scrambled to gather information, trying to make sense of the chaos. But one detail stood out. The original emergency call had been dismissed as a false alarm. But why? What had actually happened with the first ambulance? What do they have going on with there? Okay, they got a medical alarm. They sent a 55, the 55 got there, said it was a false alarm. Ex-husband goes there and knocks on the door. Somebody says, run.

He calls unknown trouble. They get there and say they have a dead female. They have a dead female there. Apparently, that's what the officer said when they got there. Okay. That's all they know they're a dead female death. How did you guys determine that it was a false alarm on Cleveland Street? they, actually, our career just told us that a 30-something or so-year-old male answered the door

and said, everything's fine, it was a false alarm. A 30-something-ish year old male. 30-something-year-old male, right? Answered a door and said everything was okay, it was the false. Yeah. It turned out that when paramedics reached Erica's home, a man waved them off, insisting there was no emergency. Without verifying anything, the paramedics left, never checking on Erica, never stepping inside her house. That decision would prove to be disastrous.

Eventually, Detective Ron Rodway arrived on the scene and spoke with the responding officers. He began trying to make sense of the mayhem. Officers were dispatched to the Cleveland Street residents. When they arrived, they of course were going around the primitive house. they heard and then noticed that the air conditioning unit out of one of the bedrooms was being pushed out. We got there. It was weird. You hear the alarm going off. And we go to the back, and then someone was trying to push out the air conditioner in the back. Uh-huh. And we opened the window and ripped the air conditioner out, pulled this woman out, and she was bloody head to toe, and then the other woman was in there dead.

And that's when they made entry into the house and discovered two victims in the house. As officers approached the back of the burning home, they spotted movement. A person was trying to escape the house by pushing an air conditioner out of a window. Police rushed to assist pulling a bloodied woman from the bedroom window. She'd been beaten nearly to death. Inside that same room lying on the floor and surrounded by flames was another woman. She was dead. Her body was battered.

her skin singed by the growing fire. The police pushed into the house through the back door. In the dining room, they found yet another person. A man collapsed under a table, seemingly unconscious. Our guys went there for unknown trouble. Found a deceased female, fears to be beaten to death. Found another female beat almost to death. Found a male almost dead.

They had not real sure what happened with him. and the house was on fire. Somebody set the house on fire trying to cover it up. No shit. Yeah. So FD's trying to put the fire out without disturbing the crime scene too much, but we got at least one dead right now and two that are circling the drain. In total, three people were pulled from Erica's burning home,

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slash sword and scale. On the morning of November 6, 2015, an ambulance was dispatched to the home of 41-year-old Erica Huff, who suffered from multiple sclerosis. But when the paramedics arrived, a man outside the house waved them off, insisting there was no emergency and that Erica was fine. They left without ever stepping inside. Okay, originally at 2 o'clock, we got a call from the men. medical alarm people. Guardian Medical said that there was an alarm and they didn't have any

contact with the person that living at that house. So I had to send an ambulance. It was a medical alarm. The ambulance responded and they cleared it. Some guy answered the door when they got there and said that it was a false alarm. Everything was okay and sent them away. And then all hell broke loose. Shortly after paramedics drove away, a chilling 911 call came in. this time it wasn't a request for an ambulance it was a call for police and then almost the hour later i looked up and the addresses on the screen again this guy named ronnie called and he said that he got out to the door somebody yelled run the house was dark and he didn't know what was going on so that's when she put in unknown

trouble officers responded to the call unsure of what they were walking into when they arrived they found part of the house was on fire. Before the flames spread, they managed to pull two women from the home. Both had been savagely beaten. Their bodies drenched in blood. One of them was dead, and the other was barely clinging to life. Eventually, a Youngstown, Ohio prosecutor joined the investigation, and the deceased woman's identity was confirmed. It was Erica Huff.

My name is Dawn Candelamasa. In 2015, I was the chief trial counsel for the Mahoning County Prosecutor's Office. In 2015, Erica Huff was 41 years old. She was a mother, a sister, a daughter. As she lived in Youngstown, Ohio, she had debilitating MS, and she was in a wheelchair at that point. She hadn't always been in a wheelchair, but at that point, she was, and she had debilitating MS. And she was in a wheelchair. had some home health care aides that would come and help her get ready for bed and cook and do other things around the house. She had a five-year-old daughter who stayed with her parents, also in Youngstown, and she would visit often with her daughter, but she needed care to help her do everything from day to day.

The woman who had survived the brutal attack was Erica's mom. 68-year-old Denise Johnson. She had been beaten nearly to death before the fire broke out. Denise Johnson was Erica Huff's mother. She was retired, I believe, at the time, but she had taken on a lot. So when Erica went to a wheelchair and had to sort of give up custody of her child to her parents,

Denise had retired, and she was with Erica's stepfather at the time, Lonnie Johnson, and they lived in Youngstown and took care of Denise's daughter. Erica's five-year-old daughter depended on her grandmother, Denise, and her step-grandfather, Lonnie Johnson, for care. Erica's illness made it impossible to raise the little girl alone, and her parents took on the role of primary caregivers, while also assisting Erica, with her daily needs. They were devoted, loving people. But on that horrific morning, tragedy struck.

Erica was found dead in her bedroom, beaten so severely that she never stood a chance. And as if that wasn't enough, the killer had set the house on fire to cover up the crime. With Denise barely alive and rushed to the hospital, police turned to the only person left to question. Erica's stepfather, Lonnie Johnson. At 76 years old, he was brought to the station for an interview with the homicide detective Ron Rodway. From what we understand, your wife's daughter, your stepdaughter, her name is Erica Huff, is that correct?

And she lives at 44 Cleveland Street. That's true. She's suffering from MS, is that correct? Yeah, she has MS. Okay, pretty bad, advanced her? She's a little bit bad. Got. Some wheelchair to the beds to the wall.

care. Okay. And she can't walk. She has people come and even clean her up. She can't even walk. No. No, she can't take the step. And I believe comfort keepers is one of the companies that comes in and takes care of her. Yeah. Detectives started with routine background questions before shifting to what really mattered, the morning of the attack. Lonnie explained that he'd been asleep at home when it all began. And it's my understanding somewhere shortly around two o'clock this morning, your stepdaughter wears a medical alert, and that medical alert went off. Right.

Rural Metro ambulance company was notified, and your wife was notified. Is that correct? I'm assuming you folks were sleeping when you got the call? Oh, yeah. Okay. And then your wife gathered herself together and went over to the house. Yes. She said I'm going to go over and turn that alarm off.

Does it go off a lot? Is that something that happens? Every now and then, but she went over before and pushed the button in it. and took care of it. Right. But she said that you stay home with the granddaughter, Erica's daughter, and stays with us 95% of the time. Right.

And she said, you stay with her because I don't want to wake up and we're both gone. Right. And I said, okay. When Erica's Life Alert necklace was triggered, the health care company Guardian Medical was notified, as was Erica's mom. Without hesitation, Denise got out of bed, got dressed, and rushed out to check on her.

daughter. Before she left, she told Lonnie to stay behind so that Erica's daughter wouldn't be left home alone. He agreed. But as time passed and Denise didn't return, Lonnie grew uneasy. Something felt wrong. He decided to go to Erica's house himself. About 15-20 minutes, so I said, you know, let me get in the truck and go over and see what's going on. When you first got there, you walked up to the front door. That's right. Okay. Did you go in the house? Did you knock on the door? No, I went to reach for the door to open it and thought it was the opening. And she said, no, run, run.

Did you see your wife or just heard her? I just heard her. Okay, so you never actually made it through the threshold? I never made it through the threshold. Was the door completely closed the entire time you were there? I didn't get a chance to touch it. I went to reach for it. But it was closed.

Yeah, it was closed. Yes, sir, it was close. And basically what you heard was run, Lonnie, run. Run, I told you to run. Now, when you heard her say that, I mean, you automatically assume there was something wrong. So I turn around and I parked the car and I called

911. As Lonnie approached Erica's front door, he heard Denise's voice, but her words were garbled and frantic. He thought she was telling him to run. Later, he would be told that she was actually screaming for help. But in that moment

all he heard was the urgency. Panicked, he turned and ran and called 911. By the time, police Police arrived, the house was in flames. They respond to the house. They go around the back. They see some smoke coming out of the window.

They were able to tell that an air conditioner unit was partially pushed out the window. They then remove that air conditioning unit and pull Erica's mom from the window. Officers pulled Denise from the burning home. She was barely alive. Her body battered and soaked in blood. Then they found Erica. They were able to go back in that room or see in that room that there's another body laying on the floor.

They put that fire out and or partially put that fire out and they're able to tell that Erica is now deceased. When she was found, a fire had been set in the bedroom where she was at. She was burned. She did have some severe blunt force trauma. We later found out that she had been. stomped on severely on her stomach. There was a lot of internal bleeding,

which was one of the causes of death, and she had also been strangled. The coroner testified that she had a lacerated liver, broken ribs, and evidence that she had been kicked in her stomach or stomped on. And then she had blunt force to her head, and then she had the ligature marks.

And the ligature was still around her neck when she was laying on the floor in her room. As police moved towards the backyard, something strange caught their attention. They caught a glimpse of a man who had closed the back door. When they come around the back door to see if there's anyone else in the house, they're met by a male trying to come out the door. He then pulls the door shut on them, and then they have to break in the door,

and they find that male hiding under the dining room table. with a, like, a duffel bag next to him. It didn't take long for police to realize what was happening. The man had been trying to escape. But the police had arrived too quickly, trapping him inside. Well, that's the guy I was laying near the door all we got here. Oh. I think we got here too quick.

Because when they got here, they should look, there's somewhere else in there. He shut the back door. Officers forced the door open and entered the smoke-filled room. lying under the dining room table was a man in his 40s. His name was Lance Hunley. 46-year-old Lance Hunley was from Washington, D.C. He was coming and staying in Youngstown. He was brother to Erica Huff's child's father.

So Erica Huff had a child with Greg Hunley. This gentleman, Lance, his name is Lance Hunley. but according to what you folks and Jonathan were telling us his brother is the father of your little grandchild that's true okay so there is some connection with this guy and apparently from what we're getting he had nowhere to live and your daughter has allowed him to come and live with her for the last three to four weeks is that correct right

I noticed on his ID that he had an address in Warren Ohio well that was his where he was staying with his brother is that where the grandchild's father stays that's right so he was staying with him He was staying with him, and he said it was too many people over there, so he couldn't sleep because he was working at night. Right. And so that's when he asked Erica, can I come and stay with you? As investigators dug into Hundley's past, they uncovered his connection to Erica.

He was the brother of Erica's daughter's father. When Hunley first moved to Youngstown, he stayed with his brother, but that arrangement fell apart. Needing a place to live, he turned to Erica. She agreed to take him in. It was a decision that would later cost her everything. Now, over the last three or four weeks, I mean, has there been anything that Erica said? I mean, was she concerned about this guy at all? Did she say anything about erratic behavior?

She said to Denise and I, that he was complaining about the girls that come to clean her up. He said, they're not your friends. He said, they've got to do their job. And he complained about that a couple times. But Erica, I mean, in the last three to four weeks, has not complained. about him? Well, the thing she complained about him trying to tell her...

With the comfort keepers. But the comfort keepers, and that's her job to take care of them. But she never said anything like, oh, I'm afraid of this guy, he's threatened me, nothing like that. Has he ever had words with your wife before? No.

Not that I know of, no. Right. At first, Hunley wasn't the worst housemate, but he did have a troubling personality. Erica's in-home health care workers later revealed that he was controlling and bossy. They claimed that when they rejected his unwanted advances, his behavior turned hostile.

And one of them eventually refused to go to Erica's house if Hunley was there. Erica eventually realized she couldn't keep him around and planned on asking Lance to leave. Hey, listen, we're going to be getting warrants on this guy at the hospital this morning. Okay, okay, is he just being treated or relief? You know, I don't know. He's being there. He's under observation. I don't think that person, I don't think there's anything wrong with him. Just scamming. Yes.

Okay. After being pulled from the burning home, Hunley was taken to the hospital for smoke inhalation. But as soon as doctors cleared him, he was escorted straight to the Youngstown police station for questioning. Okay, I am Detective Sergeant Ron Rodway. Okay. And your name, sir, is Lance Coney. L-A-N-C-E, sir? Yes.

Lance, could you take a few minutes and leave that alone and talk to us, sir? Sure. I mean, I can multi-tell you. Well, we don't want you to multitask. We want to talk to you and pay attention. Then you can look at that all you want, sir. Huntley knew he was in trouble. When detectives began the interview, he feigned distraction,

pretending to be preoccupied with his hospital paperwork. It was an obvious attempt to downplay the gravity of his situation. Perhaps he thought acting indifferent would convince them He wasn't capable of brutally murdering a disabled woman It didn't work Would you like to speak with us, sir, about this incident? Yeah, why am I here? Okay, well, we're going to explain that to you

That's what I need to do this Okay, we're going to explain everything to you Lance, where do you live, sir? Well, right now I was staying at Erica House House Erica. Erica? Yeah, 44 p.m. You were staying there?

Yes. And how long are you staying there, sir? Um, I'm scared for a little over a month. But a month? How do you know, Erica? How did you come to live there? Um, her daughter is my niece, my brother and her had a relationship. Now, I know you've been living there around a month, but how long have you known, Erica?

Have you known her for quite a long time? I've been known her for years. My niece would be six. I've been known her about eight, five, I don't know my brother's been, I don't know, maybe eight years. About eight years you know her? Do you have a pretty good relationship with her? Of course. Okay.

Detectives started gathering background details. Then they cut to the chase. The events leading up to Erica's death. Were you at home at 44 Cleveland last evening? Excuse me? Were you home at 44 Cleveland last evening? At some point, yes. Thursday evening?

Thursday evening, I was in and out. Okay. But at some time that you come home for the night, like to go to bed and that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. Let's just speed it up, man. You want to know when I got home. What time did you get home last night?

What happened? Yes. I got home, I don't know. I left the bar. What bar? Southern Tavern. So you went from the Southern Tavern to home? That's right right up the street.

Okay. Do you remember about what time that might have been? Closing time. Didn't look at my wife's doing. I had the slightest idea. Hundley claimed that He'd spent the night drinking at a bar before coming home. Beyond that, he refused to say much of anything else.

When you got home, you have your own bedroom there, is that correct? That's correct. Okay, Erica has her own bedroom? That's correct. When you got home, was Erica awake, asleep? Do you remember? No, can. This here where it gets tricky.

Okay. Now, my question to you, I'm on arrest. At this time, yes. Okay. Okay, I think at this, and I'm, I kind of figured out something from the police office, Erica died. Yes. I think I need to get a lawyer.

I think I need to stop questioning. Okay. Realizing he was cornered, Hunley shut down the interview. He asked for a lawyer, but before the interview ended, he made one bold, desperate claim. But I will tell you this. I wasn't only one in the house. Who else was in the house? I don't know.

The person would choke me out. Yeah, my neck, that's why I'm, I catch you. You just told us you don't want to talk to us. That's it. That's it. I mean, all detectives, y'all do your job. I just, I just. But you understand, you either talk to us or you don't.

You don't want to speak, right? Well, I'm arrested for murder, apparently. Yes, you are. So I need a, yeah. Okay, so let's cease all communication at this point now, okay? I just want to let you know there was another person in the house. This claim would become the foundation of Hunley's defense. He insisted he wasn't the killer.

Someone else, he said, had murdered Erica and nearly beaten Denise to death. But the detectives weren't buying it. And thanks to Denise's survival, they didn't have to. Lance Hunley had been at a south side bar, according to him. we did go and interview people at the bar but Lance Hunley had returned to the residence on Cleveland Street and it appears that Lance Hunley had strangled

Erica had taken her, I thrown her out of bed beat her and stomped her with his feet I mean, kicked her so badly she had internal bleeding inside her stomach Len had gone to the garage and got a gas can spread gasoline around the bedroom

during this time Denise Johnson had got the report of the Life Alert had come to the house. When she entered the house she observed Lance Hunley standing there with a gas can, asked him what he was doing with the gas can. She took the gas can from Hunley, took it out to the garage.

When she entered back into the kitchen area from the garage, Hunley attacked her with a claw hammer and hit her numerous times in the head, told Denise he had killed her daughter and was going to kill her. Actually produced a knife at this time and put it to her throat, drug Denise into the bedroom, and threw her down on top of her daughter, who was smoldering from the fire. Lance Hunley had savagely beaten Erica Huff, murdering her in cold

blood. When Denise arrived to check on her daughter, he turned on her as well, intending to finish her off. But before he could, Lonnie showed up, forcing Hunley to scramble. Then came the police. Lance's attempt to set the house on fire and erase the evidence had failed. So the police arrived before Humley could make it out of the house. So Hunley determined he cleaned up, put some clothing in a bag, the clothing with blood on it, and then he laid down in the dining room, and when officers arrived, he acted like he was a victim of this crime. Detective Ron Rodway didn't have to speculate because Denise Johnson survived. Though she was critically injured, she lived to tell him exactly what happened that morning.

Denise Johnson did survive the attack. She had been hit numerous times in the head with a hammer. I believe her injuries included a fractured skull. You know, severe lacerations. I mean, when I saw her at the hospital, she looked horrific, but by the next day, I mean, she was quite a strong woman. and, I mean, was able to come back pretty quickly from the injuries and was very helpful in the outcome of this case. Later, Denise would give an official recorded statement.

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He was accused of savagely beating 41-year-old Erica Huff to death and nearly doing the same to her mother, 68-year-old Denise Johnson. Given the brutality and the heinous nature of the crimes, prosecutors had made their decision. This wasn't just a murder case. This was a death penalty case. When you have the defendant or the suspect act, the scene with a duffel bag full of his bloody clothes and he's killed and attempted to kill

two or more persons. This is one of those cases where we knew the death penalty specification might be on the table. Of course, before the trial could begin, Hunley needed a lawyer. And he needed a defense. Neither would come easily. Huntley initially claimed he was insane at the time, only to later change his mind. He fired his first set of lawyers after they pressed to have his competency evaluated. In July of last year, after his new attorneys asked that he be tested again, the issue has to be resolved. It cannot be abandoned.

I think we all know that. I am having some trouble convincing Mr. Hundley of that. Hundley became so angry in court he had to be restrained. As the trial approached, Hunley made things as difficult as possible. He was combative, disruptive, and openly hostile towards the court. He had no interest in working with the public defenders assigned to his case. I sent you with that, you know, I was totally changed my plea.

She said, right there, without my consent. I understand that. Until you can submit to a competency examiner, let me finish, until you submit to a competency examination. That right. Didn't I see your doctor? Didn't he say I was cockled? And your attorney asked for a second competency evaluation?

I don't know why. I never wanted the first one. I understand that. And you're all people trying to make me do things. I'm sorry. You are trying to make me do things that I don't want to do. I don't want to do it or not here. No, here. I ordered a second competency's back in January, and it's going to be done.

Good Lord. Now he's going to, you're going to. Good Lord. After a second competency hearing, the court granted Hunley permission to change his insanity defense. Why do they always think you're crazy when you're actually stupid? Beats me, but there was still the issue of him refusing to accept any of the attorneys provided to him. This morning, after firing his second set of lawyers, Hundley insisted he could not work with anyone who was local.

But I specifically asked you could I get attorneys from out of this county, and you told me you not. But the judge said she'd changed her mind and would find Huntley a public defender from out of the area. That seemed to satisfy him. However, less than five minutes later, they were all back again, with the defendant asking how long it would take to find new lawyers. The judge couldn't give him an answer. I'm sure you're doing my life. I'll represent my second. And even when the judge asked him, a series of questions to see if Hundley knew what he was doing, he was insistent.

John, I'll figure it now. I'll figure it. Are you sure you do not this one have a way of everything? I am absolutely positive. In the end, Hundley made a drastic decision to represent himself. The court, begrudgingly allowed it, appointing standby counsel to assist if needed. With that settled, jury selection began. And soon, the trial.

was underway. Prosecutors went to work laying out their case. We used the ambulance drivers to talk about who waved them off when they came to the door, and it was him, obviously, who waved them off. We used the coroner's testimony about what Erica's cause and manner of death was. We used the police to talk about their investigation and all the different evidence that they collected. We had DNA experts to talk about not only where Erica's DNA would have been,

but also where Denise's blood was and where Lance Hunley's DNA was left. And we have the detective kind of round up all the testimony at the end to kind of clean up and make all those connections as to why we think Lance Huntley did this in the first place. The forensic and physical evidence against Hunley was overwhelming, but the prosecution had something even more powerful, an eyewitness. One of Hunley's victims had survived. Erica's mom was alive to tell the story. And Denise, I was actually here Friday morning when you were in the emergency room,

and I think you remember talking to me a little bit. You were actually in very bad shape when I talked to you. The doctors were just finishing, stitching up at least six months. lacerations in your head and your forehead, but you were still conscious and you were able to talk to me and you basically told me what had happened that day and the reason we're here now is we want to memorialize everything. We put everything, especially in a homicide case, we do it on DVD tape. Three years before Lance Hunley's trial began, Denise Johnson sat in a hospital bed, battered, but alive. It was 2015, just a few days after the nightmare that had unfolded

in Erica's home. Denise was recovering from the brutal attack that had left her daughter dead. Despite the trauma, she spoke to Detective Ron Rodway in a recorded interview. So I'm going to take you back to early Friday morning. Now, I know the medical alert went off sometime a few minutes after 2 o'clock in the morning on Friday, the 6th. Rural Metro Ambulance was dispatched there. They were called, and you also recalled, you were a contact person. And when you were worried, you were.

Correct me if I'm wrong. You told me you actually have a key to the house and you went in. Yes. When I opened the door, he was in the living room. And when you say he, he referred to Lance Huntley. And I said, the life alert people or the lifeline people called me. And I said, where's Erica? He said, she's sleeping.

But the room smelled full of gas. I said, why is this gasoline can, you know, the red container here in the living room? I don't know what his answer was because I feistyly said gasoline belongs in the garage with the lawnmower. So I walk the gasoline can out to the garage, put it next to the lawnmower, and come back in to go to get ready to check on Erica. Denise had no idea what she was walking into that morning. Erica was already dead. Her life stolen in a horrific act of violence. And within moments of stepping into the house, Denise found herself face to face with her daughter's killer.

He came around the corner with a hammer and just started beating me unmercifully, just beating me and beating me. And he said, why did you come? I said, the first alert told me to come. And I, you know, and the blood was gushing. So when he said, you need to make peace with the Lord, you need to make peace. I said, I have. And he, and the blood was just gushing.

And I said, Lance, why are you doing this? You know, he said, all of you have just ditched me. And I've got to kill you. and then he's beating and beating, but I heard Lonnie's truck come. I heard Lonnie's truck come, but he was so busy crashing the hammer on my head. He didn't. He didn't hear the truck. At 68 years old, Denise fought back with everything she had,

but she was up against a man consumed by rage. then through the chaos she heard something a familiar sound it was her husband's truck pulling up outside your truck is it kind of loud exhaust or something yes it is it's got flammatics on it it makes a little noise so like to rumble rumble oh yeah so in other words okay if she was inside the house it would not be uncommon or unreasonable for her to hear the car pull up with the loud motor yes she said that would be distinctive and she would know that you'd know that you're Yeah, matter of fact, when I went to the door, she hollered Lonnie. Run, run, run.

Desperate, Denise screamed for help. But Lonnie misheard her. Instead of help, Lonnie help. He thought she was shouting at him to run. That misunderstanding may have saved his life. If Ronnie had charged into the house instead of running for help, there was no telling how much worse this could have been. Hunley may have killed them both. Of course, the terrible downside of that misunderstanding was that Denise was left alone in the house with Hunley.

But he continued to beat me, it seemed forever, and then he pulled out a switchblade after he broke the hammer on my head. When he pulled it, you saw him pull the switchblade at, I know, it was a very hectic, did you feel him stab you? No, I never found. Because, you know, you do have a stab wound. Under here. Your upper chest. He did stab you. I think he did.

Yes. Yeah, we saw it in an emergency room that day. There was a puncture wound there. Okay. And then he started to choke me and dragged me into the living room and I fought. And I fought. And I finally couldn't fight and he took my breath away. Hunley strangled Denise until she lost consciousness.

Then as if disposing of garbage, he dragged her lifeless body into Erica's bedroom and tossed her on top of her daughter's corpse. After dowsing the room and gasoline, he struck a match and watched the fire begin to consume the evidence of his crimes. But then, something unexpected happened. Denise started to wake up. I felt flames, so I started patented out. Then he came with some alcohol and threw it in my face.

And then he walked away. And I went to the window, and I started pulling the sides of the air, and I did pat my daughter. Yes. I said, she's still warm. Maybe she's still alive, you know. And I said, we've got to get out of here. And then I felt my jacket burning, so I took it off and threw it down. But then I reached for the window with the air conditioning thing was.

And as I'm pulling, the sides of the police apparently were pulling. Yes, they heard you pull on it. Yes. They said, ma'am, we've got to pull you out of here. I said, I'm ready to go. Just take me. And they pulled me through the window. By the time police pulled Denise from the burning house, she was barely clinging to life.

Bloodied and gasping for air, she used what little strength she had to plead with them to save Erica. But deep down, she already knew the truth. Her daughter was gone. I said, but my daughter has said that here, because I wasn't sure. I kind of knew in my heart. She was... Despite the trauma, Denise's account of what happened on that horrible morning never changed. Three years later, in front of a courtroom packed with jurors, attorneys, and the man who had nearly killed her,

She repeated the same truth she had given detectives. She told them exactly what Lance Hunley had done. Today they had the mother of murder victim Erica Huff on the witness stand. When she returned, she says Hundley began beating her about the head with a hammer. She asked him why he was doing that. He said she claimed in front of the courtroom that Huntley admitted killing her daughter and was going to kill her too. After laying out the physical evidence and presenting Denise's unshakable testimony, the prosecution rested their case.

The time had come for Hundley to explain himself and present a defense. Hundley told the jury he came to the area in August 2015 and had been staying at Erica Huff's house on the south side, paying her $200 a month. On the night of November 5th, he'd gone to a couple bars, came back and smoked some marijuana with Erica and fell asleep watching TV. I'm on the couch. I couldn't see their face. Okay.

And they was choking me out from behind. All right. Hundley says the attacker used chloroform on him, and he blacked out coming to in the kitchen. I started to walk towards the back. That's when I seen a guy come out of Erica's room with a gas coming. Now, groggy and frightened, Hundley claims he sees the victim lying on the floor of her bedroom. And I crawled with her owner, and I touched her neck. I didn't feel the pause.

Hunley took the witness stand and launched into a bizarre, theatrical performance. According to him, a masked intruder had attacked him and knocked him unconscious with chloroform. When he came to, he claimed Erica. was already dead. She told laments. It's not too late. We can come up with something to tell the police. Hundley says he then started hitting the elderly woman with a hammer,

telling prosecutors during cross-examination he was scared. I was defending myself. Oh, you were defending yourself? Prosecutors pressed him, asking why, with the house filling with smoke, he didn't try to escape. Hundley kept saying he didn't know what to do. I'm under the influence of chloro. Although Hundley was rescued from the burning house, he says he never told anyone,

but his lawyers this story for nearly three years consisting today, he never killed Erica Huff. In a move as desperate as it was disgusting, Hunley pointed the finger at Denise Johnson. He insinuated that she was somehow involved in her own daughter's murder. and that in a moment of panic, he had attacked her with a hammer. The story was ridiculous and coherent and it made no sense whatsoever. Hundley claiming this morning he was defending himself,

that he saw Denise Johnson carrying a gas can, coming into the house, didn't know what was going on, and he grabbed a hammer and started hitting her with it, claiming to be defending himself. But this morning, during closing arguments, prosecutors told jurors, Hundley concocted the story hoping to create doubt. He beat her, he stomped on her, and then he strangled her.

He then had to get rid of the only witness who came to the house, Denise Johnson. Hunley's defense was weak and almost laughable. And after closing arguments, the jury had their say. After just three and a half hours of deliberation, Jorters returned their verdict shortly after two, afternoon. We, the jury find the defendant, Lance Hundley, guilty of aggravated murder and violation of Ohio Vice Code 20. Hundley sat motionless and quiet as the verdicts were read aloud. Guilty in the premeditated death of Erica Huff, the attempted murderer of the victim's mother,

and aggravated arson for setting fire to the crime scene. The verdict surprised no one, except maybe for Hunley. Guilty on all counts. But the jury had one more decision to make. Would Lance get to live in a cozy little jail cell? Or would he pay the ultimate price for his crimes? Just last week, a Mahoning County jury determined that a man from Youngstown should die for his crimes. This morning, Judge Maureen Sweeney determined Lance Hundley offered absolutely nothing during his trial to offset that. This morning, she upheld the jury's decision that he should die for the murder of Eric. Huff back in November of 2015, as well as the attempted murder of Huff's mother, Denise Johnson.

Naturally, Hunley appealed the conviction and the death sentence. In a unanimous decision, the Ohio Supreme Court upheld both. As of April 2025, Lance Hunley sits on death row in Ross County, Ohio. But of course, in today's world and in the state of Ohio, no execution date has been set. Because haven't you heard? Suicidal empathies all the rage these days. Despite the overwhelming evidence against him, only has never once admitted to what he did. He probably never will. He's maintained his innocence leaving the question of why unanswered. I think Lance committed this crime because Erica was pressuring him to leave and wanted him to leave. and he had nowhere else to go.

I don't know what was going on in his head that he felt he couldn't go back to Washington, D.C., where he was from. But apparently in his mind, he was backed into a corner, and this is the only way out. What exactly triggered him? We don't know.

He would not confess to this crime, but we believe he was upset that she was asking him to move out of the house. You know, with my experience and what I felt on this case, he was the sociopath that he was, he just snapped and started strangling her and beating her. No reason whatsoever to do what he did to such a severely handicapped woman. Prosecutors and detectives have their theories about Hunley's motive.

They believe that Lance had been struggling financially, and when Erica told him that he had to move out, something inside of him snapped. Ironically, if anyone had a right to feel beaten down by life, it was Erica. Multiple sclerosis had stolen her ability to walk. walk, her independence, and even her ability to care for her own daughter. But she never once let that turn her into a monster, not like Hunley, who, on the other hand, let his bitterness fester into something deadly.

That's what entitlement does to people. They think they're owed by the world. And when they don't get what they want, they decide to just go ahead and take it anyway. After the attack, Erica's mother shared her own theory, one that dug even deeper into what might have driven Hunley to kill. Because we were not his friends. We were everything I think he wanted and didn't have. And then here I go a week before getting a BMW. And he says, well, why didn't you get a Mercedes?

I got what I wanted and what I've worked for. And you've worked all your life. And your husband's worked all his life. Exactly. And both your children are well-educated, college graduates, worked all their lives. And I said, we did what we wanted. Well, I'm getting one this spring. I said, well, you do what you want to do.

You know. But he was, I could see the resentment in his eyes. He hated us. We were everything in life that he may have wanted and didn't. It seems that a toxic mix of jealousy, resentment, alcohol, and eviction pushed Hunley over the edge. He brutally beat a disabled woman to death and then turned his fury on a 68-year-old mother, nearly killing her as well. Through it all, Hunley never stopped to consider one simple fact. Erica was one of the only people in this world that had ever ever.

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You know, just preyed upon her vulnerability, and, you know, probably, she was probably a nice, sweet person, you know. So bad for the guy, but... Like many of us, Erica Huff believed in kindness. She thought helping someone in need was the right thing to do. That's what all those PBS specials tried to teach us, remember? But when she opened her door to a monster named Lance Hundley, she unknowingly let evil inside her home, inside her life, and then it took her life, nearly silencing her mother as well

in a brutal attempt to erase the truth. But Denise survived. She fought through unbearable pain to tell her daughter's story to ensure that Hunley would never harm another person again. and, perhaps, to teach all of us, a very important lesson. In the end, her voice put him exactly where he belonged on death row. Erica's murder is a chilling reminder that evil doesn't always announce itself. Sometimes it wears the face of someone you trust.

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