Sword and Scale - Episode 352

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

Beloved father and prominent attorney, Gary Farris, should have been safe on his own land. But in July 2018, he vanished from his family’s rural dream property, and a smoldering burn pile would unra...vel everything they thought they knew about their home, their marriage, and each other.Get instant access to all episodes, including premium unreleased episodes, commercial-free at swordandscale.com

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Starting point is 00:00:49 Gary is in the burnpower. No, he is in the burnpower. And I said, what? Are you ready for some murder? Is that a yes? I can't hear you. Speak up. Here we go. You want to go up this road here and get to the roundabout. You take a left and then you go past Murphy's house.
Starting point is 00:01:52 You know the Murphy's their young lad, Sean. I think he's over in London now. Oh, yeah. FBD doesn't stand for frustratingly bad directions. FBD stands for support. We support van drivers in Ireland with up to 75% of new van policies. FBD insurance. Support. It's what we do. I can't miss it. Once you pass there, a little terrier will start to chase you. And once he gives up, you should be there.
Starting point is 00:02:17 75% off based on five years no claims discount. Terms and conditions apply. FBD insurance, PLC, is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. On July 5th, 2018, in Cherokee County, Georgia, a family goes looking for their missing dad. The address is 2555 per cell lane, a debt-end gravel road off a two-lane highway north of Atlanta, but a long way from the city. The expansive house sits on ten fenced in acres, back from the road, past pasture and trees. The kind of semi-rural property that could be a small farm or just a place to be left alone. Out here it would be easier to disappear into your own routine or into something worse.
Starting point is 00:03:23 The Ferris property isn't a commercial operation so much as it is a hobby farm with a pasture, a pond, a barn apartment, and a small collection of animals. A few horses, a few little milk goats, and some chickens. Essentially, this is Melody's dream life, the kind of charmed southern life she had always envisioned for herself, the kind they sell in magazines, lots of kids, animals, and an outdoor space. Her husband, Gary Ferris, is a prominent attorney in the Atlanta area,
Starting point is 00:03:56 a partner-level lawyer whose practice and income are centered in the city, not on the land. By this time, their children have all married. Some divorced, and grandchildren often come to stay. Known to the grandchildren as Big Daddy, 58-year-old Gary Ferris hasn't answered calls or texts for at least a day, and no one knows his whereabouts. His truck is still in the driveway, his CPAP machine,
Starting point is 00:04:26 The one he uses religiously every night is still inside. His wallet and other personal things are in the house. Nothing about it says I left on my own. Gary's four children are grown, including his son Scott. But Scott just happens to live on the property, working as a farmhand. When his mother, Melody, asks him, Have you seen your daddy? In her southern drawl?
Starting point is 00:04:52 He answers no. This wasn't entirely unusual. The property is huge, and Gary tends to mind his own business. Besides, Scott has mostly been away for the previous few days. But his son Scott goes out to the property with Melody to look for. The kids are half playing outside, half looking. Melody and Scott separate. They check the house, the barn, the pasture, they call his name.
Starting point is 00:05:24 Just as soon as he released his name, is allowed, dad, he hears his own name. It's his mother, urging him to come back and check out the burn pile. Scott walks to the back of the property, to a spot where his dad sometimes burns trash and brush. It's obvious Gary has been out here. Scott sees a large burn pile there, and for a few seconds the smoke burns his eyes. The burn pile is blackened, still warm. warm with chunks of debris fused into the ash. It's early July in Georgia. The air is thick and damp, and the heat radiates off the ground.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Melody and Scott both stand at the perimeter of the large pile, and Melody points out something odd to her son. Scott has said, did you start one of the goats on there or something? You know, maybe one died, you know, because we have several of them. I said, did you saw a goat on there or something? Because it was just something that just looked. It was like one big ball of just, you know. And I said, do you throw a goat on there or something?
Starting point is 00:06:35 And he went over there and looked and, you know, did. And he said, well, no, but that doesn't mean daddy. You know, didn't. And then he really looked. Scott stepped closer and looked down. At first, it was just shapes in the ash. charred wood, metal, bone-colored fragments. Then his brain caught up to what he was seeing.
Starting point is 00:07:02 One of those shapes wasn't just bone-colored, it was bone. He realized he was looking at what appeared to be a human skull. He backed away and yelled for the others to get the kids out of there. Whatever this was, they didn't need to see it. Melody still wondered out loud if maybe it was an animal, a dead goat or something. But Scott was sure it was the skull of a human being. He called 911. And I will say, he actually took a stick and picked up.
Starting point is 00:07:37 You could tell him it was an safe. You know, that you could see the font of it. And I said, tell me that that's a goat or a cold or anything. I mean, you know, he took off, he said I'm calling not one now. The skulls got uncovered was human, and when he poked at it, the remains of a face stared up at him. This was no goat. Derek, you're counting on the patient of the emergency. Um, 2-155 or so, Wayne.
Starting point is 00:08:19 My father has come up missing, and we just searched the properties in a small farm, and I just found something near a phone that doesn't... There was a huge bun and brush, and I was just something to follow that. It could be him. I don't know. But if anyone would know whether this was a human or animal, it would be, Scott Ferris. Now, I'm calling me to say that I just... We've been walking around looking for him, and I went with it. The fire is still smaller.
Starting point is 00:08:55 I'm ex-military. I was deployed to Iraq. I've seen what burned. The body looked like, and this looks like a body. Okay. You said your father? Yes, sir. He just turned to me.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Gary wasn't without health problems, even though most would consider 58 to be relatively young. He'd been having what his wife called spells, but was refusing to follow through with his doctor visits. He's had these spells for years, and he talks. He gets very slurred speech. His motor coordination gets very off. He stumbles. His dad had Parkinson's, and I kind of wondered if maybe he had Parkinson's. But they did, I never did personally talk to the cardiologist, but I did talk to his physician's assistant.
Starting point is 00:09:46 and because Amanda and I went with Amanda to go look at a wedding venue and so we left before the actual cardiologist came in but they found that he had a leaking aortic valve and a leaking tricuspid valve and they wanted him to go back to the cardiologist on Friday. He got out of late Wednesday and wanted him to go back to the cardiologist on Friday to be hooked up to a heart monitor. or length of time to see, you know, what all was going wrong with his heart. And he refused to go. Of course, this begged the question. Did Scott have a spell, stumble, and fall into the fire pit? According to Melody, Gary loved burning fires, but she did not. And for good reason. Well, Tuesday, he started to be burned late Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:10:46 Started to be burned. Tuesday this week. Yes, every yesterday. And, of course, we're all the time out of him. He had set the house on fire. Two years ago, the end of the office. And I got so scared of fire after that. He had set it in his office.
Starting point is 00:11:07 We think what he did was in good, a nice train in there, don't know, you know. That's where it started. The son and I Scott were here. And it did so much damage. And so since then I had been so just scared of fire around here, just please Gary, but he is all the time, just, he has the thing with starting fires.
Starting point is 00:11:32 He sat one at my other house in the woods, behind my house, we looked at the subdivision I had called from the neighbor one morning at four o'clock in the morning, the fire department was there. He had started it like the week before, and it had been smoldering. I mean, I'm going to get him out of control it. Sounds like Gary might have been a little bit of a pyromaniac. Not saying he actually was, I mean, that's a real mental disorder, and it's not the same thing as being an arsonist.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Pyromania is an impulse-controlled disorder. A person feels drawn to setting fires, fascinated by them, and sometimes even relieved by them, like a coping mechanism, a vice, the way some people reach for alcohol or cigarettes. It's weird, man. And honestly, Gary had reasons to need a vice. He was a high-powered attorney with health issues and a big family. He didn't get out much, wasn't a partier and mostly kept to himself.
Starting point is 00:12:35 His family described him as a social introvert, and he didn't really drink. So, pyromaniac? Maybe. Or maybe Melody's fire incidents were just isolated moments, nothing more. Either way, his real daily habit wasn't liquor. It was a 12 pack of Mountain Dew. Yeah, 12. He drank 12 Mountain Dews daily.
Starting point is 00:13:03 That's got to be worse than alcohol, right? So, you know, he'd be in, I don't know, maybe six months or so since he had burned it before. This burn pile here? Yeah. And, I mean, it had trees, it had fencing, it had, we had pulled up, when we did the fire pit down here, we had an excavator here, and they had pulled up a bunch of tree stops and that kind of stuff. And he put on the burn pile.
Starting point is 00:13:30 So I had a lot of fencing and stuff on it. And he said something not long ago that burn us, please do not burn it. It's too dry, it's too windy, it's too, you know, we always go there. Don't burn it. Well, Scott came home. I don't know what time it was when he got hit. Because I called him and I was chasing horses.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Gary had started the burn pile on Tuesday, the evening of July 3rd. He forgot to close the gate and the horses got out. Melody remembered chasing the horses and calling for her son Scott to help. She was worried about the fire getting out of control because it was going to burn for a long. time. The next day, she says Scott came up to the house for a credit card and remarked that the fire was still going. Right before Melody left the property, she saw Gary gathering up even more wood to put on the fire. She begged him not to make it any bigger, but he didn't listen. Not only was Melody worried about the fire and the property, she was also worried about his mental health.
Starting point is 00:14:37 According to her, he had tried to commit suicide twice before they were married. Keep in mind, they had been married for 38 years, but still, he had a family history of all kinds of mental and physical problems. Melody didn't just say Gary was struggling. She told investigators his whole family tree was steeped in mental and physical problems. His sister with both bipolar disorder and schizophrenia in and out of psych hospitals, his mother on antidepressants and antipsychotic meds, eventually being placed in a, memory care facility with what she calls really bad Alzheimer's or dementia. And his father, who had mental illnesses of his own, later dying from Parkinson's disease.
Starting point is 00:15:25 Melody claimed Gary would say things like, I think I'm getting like my parents. Yet they shrugged as a couple through the good and bad times. And then somebody asked me, said, why have you stayed? And I said, I took a lot of him. In her mind, she wasn't the unhappy wife looking for a way out. She was the one holding the line while everything around them got harder to manage. The more melody spoke to officers, the more what she had to say seemed like low-key versions of Yellowstone. Not with the shootouts and land wars, but in the way she painted the whole family as locked in constant drama. Everything revolved around Big Daddy and the farm.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Growing kids coming and going, relying on handouts from a weary patriarch. Then there was the constant tug of war between who's helping, who's taking, and who's just tired of the whole thing. You might have had some conversations in your family. That sound pretty similar. I told one of the other deputies that was here, I said, we've been having trouble with him taking money. then over $900 a month, he's got the checking account and a number.
Starting point is 00:16:43 And I said, Gary refuses to talk to him. Refuses to, I said he sends emails and text messages. And it's all he does. She went on to allege that her oldest son, Chris, was unkind, bordering on abusive to his kids, who often stayed at the farm. And I said, Chris, I'm going to stop you in taking money in some way, some ha. I mean, you've got to get help. You can not treat them to girls like this.
Starting point is 00:17:12 You cannot treat them in the inner. And I said, I beg you, you know, get help. Melody talked about all the expensive trips her son planned. A bachelor party in Panama. A trip out west because a friend's dad died. And yet another leisure trip he was planning before all this happened. But Chris wasn't the only one taking advantage of Gary. according to melody.
Starting point is 00:17:38 Gary was just like, you know, it's not like I can't, you know, he kept saying, well, I can afford to do it. And I said, Gary, that's not at the point. I mean, that's like spot that lives where I've learned. He hasn't worked since he came back from Iraq, except for a very short time. And I can't make him work. I can't make him, you know. And I said, Gary, he, he immediately 35 Saturday.
Starting point is 00:18:00 And I said, Gary, he needs to work. He said, well, you don't work. Gary. I imagine this place is a full-time job Take care of you I mean it is You know And Scott
Starting point is 00:18:11 I mean I don't And Scott is good health But I mean Like this last week I mean He's played golf three days He's gone to the lake
Starting point is 00:18:19 He's gone You know It's just like come on now This is Scott that's done all this So he's just enjoying life He is enjoying life to the fullest Melody gave details Of a family under strain
Starting point is 00:18:31 A big property Lots of animals And not enough help But she said she was working sun up to sun down while her son Scott drifted in and out instead of helping consistently. And Gary's health was getting worse. All of the grown children were mooching off their generous dad. And Melody was trying to rein it all in and hold it all together while Gary was trying to keep the peace. In a setup like that, it isn't hard to imagine his heart finally giving out or,
Starting point is 00:19:05 him having one of his spells at the wrong time near an open fire. And for a little while, that's exactly what this looked like. A tragic accident on a hobby farm with a burned body where a husband and father used to be. But when what's left of Gary was finally boxed up and sent to the medical examiner, detectives started digging into the burn itself and the digital trail. it left behind. What they found in the ashes and in the timeline
Starting point is 00:19:41 didn't fit the idea that this was just an accident. Soon, the family would dissolve into bickering and finger-pointing and blaming each other for Big Daddy's death.
Starting point is 00:20:13 So you want to go up this road here and get to the round of it. You take a left and then you go past the Murphy's house. Do you know the Murphy's? They're young lad, Sean. I think he's not. for London now. Oh yeah. Ah, FBD doesn't stand
Starting point is 00:20:24 for frustratingly bad directions. FBD stands for support. We support van drivers in Ireland with up to 75% off new van policies. FBD insurance. Support. It's what we do. Can't miss it. Once you pass there,
Starting point is 00:20:38 a little terrier will start to chase you and once he gives up, you should be there. 75% off based on five years no claims discount. Terms and conditions apply. FBD Insurance, PLC, is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. In Cherokee County, Georgia, Melody and Gary Ferris have spent the last five years of their lives on a 10-acre hobby farm.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Melody's dreamscape. Gary worked hard as an attorney, and Melody worked on the farm and managed the family. Four grown children with children of their own, including Scott, who lived on the property. The last time Melody saw her husband was on Tuesday evening, July 3rd, after he'd set a bonfire, or burn pile. Melody said he came upstairs that evening, asked if she was making dinner, and she pointed him to the food in the fridge.
Starting point is 00:21:41 After that, he went back down to the basement bedroom, where he slept alone with his CPAP. On July 4th, both Melody and Scott said they never laid eyes on Gary. And Melody told investigators this wasn't unusual. He kept to himself even on July 4th. It wasn't until the next morning, July 5th, that two of his grandkids wanted to ride the RTV with Big Daddy, but couldn't find him. Their daughter Amanda was already there.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Their oldest son, Chris, showed up soon after, and the adults started searching the house and the property. Scott walked down to the burn pile, looked into the ashes, and saw part of dad's skull, so he called 911. While detectives and medical examiners were sifting through the bones and the days that followed, followed, detectives continued processing the situation with the family. This is Chris. What I want to think is he just had one of his spells and something happened, had a heart attack and fell in there. Just, I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Just something seems, I don't know. Something seems weird to me. Well, I will tell you what we do is we handle, try to handle it as if it's the worst possible scenario because obviously if you approach it like that, then we'll when it turns out to be that he had a heart attack and fell in the fire, you've done everything you could. What we do is we investigate something like this, we follow the evidence, and we gather evidence. And we try to get to, the evidence is going to lead us to some sort of conclusion in terms of what happened. So, you know, he will go, your father's remains will go to an autopsy.
Starting point is 00:23:26 So that is, you know, essentially the next step. we're going to, you know, be documenting outside and the inside of the house. That's why it's secured because this is the house. It's not far from the house. We have to, you know, look at everything and make sure we're not missing anything and do a good job of documenting so that nobody can come and say, you know, if it does turn out that he could fall in the fire, nobody can, and he just had a heart attack, nobody can say we didn't do a good job and we missed the fact that someone did something bad to him.
Starting point is 00:23:57 I just want to know what happened. I ask what we're going to look at. I hope to God that it's just an accident. I just hope you know. And we'll do everything we can to get all of you or something. Because, you know, we all love him very much. But someone obviously did not love Gary very much. Because what the autopsy revealed after putting all of Gary's burned pieces back together
Starting point is 00:24:24 was a bullet lodged in his wrist. ribcage. Unless it was suicide. But if that were the case, then why would you be hearing this story on sort and scale? Once the medical examiner confirmed he'd been shot, detectives took that news back to the family. One of the first calls was to their son, Chris. Well, I'm going to tell you something. And I just want to make sure you're ready and then I'm at. I just want you to tell me what you think when I say it, okay? Okay. The evidence we have obtained on the scene suggests to us that your father was shot.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Wow. Wow. There are some other people that are aware. You know, when I was just like, I told you, I just wanted not to be everything in money. That would be accurate. Whatever you need for me. When the medical examiner opens the bags from the burn pit, there's no body in the usual sense. Gary has been reduced to charred pieces of bone and scraps of tissue
Starting point is 00:25:55 divided into almost 50 bags labeled by quadrant. Gary was 6 foot 5 inches and more than 300 pounds. The bones are blackened, brittle, and cracked from heat, with fragments of pelvis, leg bones, and skull mixed in with the ash. The soft tissue left is moldy and wet, after sitting in its own liquid collected in the bottom of the backs. The only way to be sure it's Gary is by matching the teeth to all his dental records.
Starting point is 00:26:31 And there's no guarantee that this bullet killed him. Investigators quickly rule out an intruder. There's no broken glass, no kicked in door, no drawers pulled out, or valuables missing. This isn't a burglary gone bad. It's a dead man on his own land at a house that's a house that's, sits by itself at the end of a gravel road. Whoever did this was extremely close to Gary. So like the night of the third and the day of the fourth,
Starting point is 00:27:01 you were just never even in Cherokee County? Sure. Okay. Can you, if I asked you, if there's anyone who would want to hurt your dad, what would you say? Would Scott ever want to hurt your dad? Did they get along pretty well?
Starting point is 00:27:25 Scott, my brother, yeah, I mean, you know, they lived in the same place, and they bickered back and forth all the time, of course. Mm-hmm. He's got a pretty good life. He's got his apartment. He's got, I mean, my dad does a lot for him. Mm-hmm. And he loves my dad. Who would stand to gain it?
Starting point is 00:27:47 Who would stand to gain anything if something happened to your dad as far as anything? Probably money-wise. While the kids are still clinging to the hope that this might somehow be a horrible accident, it. Investigators sit melody back down and tell her what the medical examiner has actually found. They've been sifted through the remains in the ashes, and they have found
Starting point is 00:28:23 a projectile. It's some bones. It doesn't appear to be self-infliping. I mean, do we know. The circle was already pretty small. Gary, his wife, and his grown kids who came and went. But it was growing
Starting point is 00:28:45 even smaller. You know how it all comes down to motive and opportunity. The motive seems simple. Money. There you go. Once you rule out a stranger, what you're left with is the ugliest kind of murder. Someone inside the family did it, and the rest of them were trying to decide how much they really want to say out loud. The only two family members who were at or around the property at the time of Gary's murder were Melody and Scott. Once detectives found the projection, in Gary's remains.
Starting point is 00:29:21 The search was on for the gun that fired it. On 10-acre farms in rural Georgia, guns are pretty much part of the landscape. There are long guns, a 22. And according to Scott, about two weeks before Gary's death, he saw a small pistol in the basement close to where Gary slept when he was looking for a remote, because AT&T was there at the house trying to repair the internet. That's when I found that 38 special, I said, where in the hell did that come from? And the only reason why I didn't continue to, you know, to ask him about it and everything is I had the AT&T out there, and I didn't want to pull the Zucker out and, you know, scared the crap out of him.
Starting point is 00:30:05 I just shut the drawer back and I was, you know, playing on asking my mom and dad where it came from, but it just slipped my mind. And that was sitting right there. You know? You know? in a holster? Yeah, it was like this level leather, crappy looking holster. And, you know, I just, you know, I saw it and just kind of pulled it out and you tell it's just a 38 special, it was small. Did it look? I don't know how to say this. Old? Yes. Or Blackmore modern revolver? It did not look brand new. It looked like that. It looked like I had it.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Now there's a pattern investigators can't ignore. Two weeks before Gary's death, Scott sees a 38 in a drawer, in a basement bedroom. After Gary disappears, that gun is gone. In the basement room, they later find a second bullet on the floor. When the lab compares that round to the one taken from Gary's ribs, they say both bullets were fired from the same gun. one shot in the house, one shot that ends up lodged in Gary's bones. And the gun that ties them both together used to sit in a drawer beside his bed, and it's not there anymore.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Huh. At this point, detectives know two things for sure. Gary was shot, and whoever pulled the trigger was close enough to know their way around the house. The pool of suspects is basically just the people who live on that land and move through that basement. So they don't just look for bullets and phones. They listen to how the family talks about each other. And when they ask Melody about Scott, she doesn't describe a calm, steady son. Does he have any PTSD or anything from?
Starting point is 00:32:10 He's always been very hot-headed. since he was a little boy. I mean, to the point that, I mean, he weighed nine one when he was born, and he was just a handful. So you're not protecting either of your sons that you know of? No.
Starting point is 00:32:27 And we're not gonna find any evidence to prove otherwise. Can you shed any light on any of this? No. I mean, I would like to, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, like I said, Scott is very hot-tempered. I mean, and he and Gary,
Starting point is 00:32:48 I have seen them get into the point that I was just like, okay, and you all just take it down a notch. I mean, you know. I'd really like to believe that if Scott shot Gary on your property or inside your house, and then the body was disposed of in your fire pit
Starting point is 00:33:06 that you would probably know about it or find some evidence of it yourself or help. clean up or? Yeah. No, like I said, I wouldn't have. You were there. Well, I mean, I was, but I left, you know,
Starting point is 00:33:24 and I just saw it smoldering. Didn't think is, you know, okay, it's not pleasing, it's not whatever, we're good, you know. Didn't they, you know, but I kept thinking last night, why did Scott come in here and get so angry last night?
Starting point is 00:33:44 But that's not all that unusual either for him to just blow up. Scott insists he's not a hothead. He admits he gets angry, like anyone, and he admits loud bangs still make him jump. But he pushes back on the idea that he's some kind of ticking bomb. My version of PTSD is if I hear a loud bang or something, that I'm just not, you know, prepared for my adrenaline, just goes through the roof, my heart.
Starting point is 00:34:15 I'm telling out of my chest. And I start taking deep breaths and calms me down. But gunfire doesn't bother me. I can still be around that. You know, the nightmares have ended, and they ended it a long time ago. Other than that, no, I don't get violent with anybody. I'm just like my dad, you know. I make friends over where I go.
Starting point is 00:34:42 By all accounts, Scott, his dad were really likable guys who made friends everywhere they went, and they got along well together. When his dad wasn't able to keep up at the farm anymore, Scott was a huge help. It was more Gary and Melody who didn't get along so well. And Melody had her own habit of making friends wherever she went, if you know what I mean. What I mean is that Melody didn't just collect friends. she collected other women's partners,
Starting point is 00:35:15 starting with a guy named Ted who'd spent more than 20 years as the boyfriend of Gary's sister. So, yeah, Melody's brother-in-law. Melody was fucking her brother-in-law. The truth is that Melody and Scott had been together for decades until something pulled them apart. And that's something the family would later say
Starting point is 00:35:42 was Melody. This was Chris's take on. You know, my parents don't get along. They honestly don't really like each other. And so the communication... How long have they not liked each other? This has been going... This is nothing new.
Starting point is 00:35:58 My grandmother... In about a series of three months, my grandmother had open heart surgery that went really wrong. She survived, but it put her debilitating. At the around a month or two after that, my ex-wife told me she was leaving.
Starting point is 00:36:14 Then, through that whole situation, my mother had to be in Alabama. Because my mom's, my grandmother's house, because she could no longer function on her own. So my mom had to go up there and get her house, deal with the affairs. This was a bit of a double entendre. Melody had to deal with the affairs of grandma and her house, but also had her own affairs. So during that period, my mom started the affairs. Affairs started withdrawing a lot of money out of my father's account. I remember him calling me and say, your mother just took $50,000 out of my account that I had set aside to pay taxes with.
Starting point is 00:36:59 So I'm scrambling to find out what I'm going to do. She spent a lot of money. Everybody was spending, old big daddy's hard-earned money. and nobody seemed to be bringing in any of their own. According to Melody, Scott was constantly taking the debit card for cash. But Scott would say his dad knew about every penny, and it was considered compensation for helping on the farm. Melody would say that Chris was abusive to his kids
Starting point is 00:37:27 and constantly took vacations at the expense of Gary, Big Daddy. But Chris would answer that his dad didn't have a problem with it. In fact, he was going to go with Chris on vacation shortly before he died. And Melody wasn't happy about it. The last thing that Chris had done was booked a vacation to the beach that they're supposed to be leaving Saturday. I think it's Saturday. And Gary had said, I'm going to go with him. Instead of him, just taking the money, like what he usually does, I'm going to go with him.
Starting point is 00:38:04 And he said, are you going to go? and I said, no, I'm not going. As Gary, he keeps taking, I mean, it's serious money. I mean, it's not like, it's serious money. I mean, like I said, it's anywhere from $900 and what, plus the girls' airline tickets. To hear Melody tell it, even plain tickets for her granddaughters, were one more example of everyone spending Gary's money. But the truth was that trips with the kids weren't exactly what had nearly blown this marriage.
Starting point is 00:38:36 years earlier. I mean, I told him he needed to find somebody else, you know, because she talks so bad about him to everyone to make him out to be such an awful person. And, now granted, she does that to a lot of people too. My mother has issues. Basically, he was in a tough situation. He didn't want to break the whole family up. He's got a very concerned, a traditional person, you know.
Starting point is 00:39:05 And I don't know. and Allison, when you're a kid, you don't want to hear that kind of stuff about your parents, no matter how old you are. But there was definitely a lot of, a lot of problems, a lot of issues and a lot of problems. Okay. Have you ever known there to be any domestic violence or anything? There any substance abuse going on? Anything other than her cheating and money issues. Do you know any names of anyone she had an affair with, or you just know she had a affair?
Starting point is 00:39:33 Ted Wiley and then some guy named Rusty, I think his last name was Barton. And I don't know that that was an affair that actually happened. That's just something we suspected. Because she would tell my daughter's things. You know, Big Daddy, this is that and now. She would like, she would open. Yeah, badmouthed him, but she'd be on the, she would have like always on her phone, always talking to somebody.
Starting point is 00:39:58 He ends up getting a tattoo right here that says XO, XO. And my daughter said, well, that's who when she calls people. It says XOXO on her phone. And like my brother told me today, he's like, yeah, she's got a whole other cell phone. According to Chris, Gary tried his best to avoid divorce. For a while, they even moved away and tried to hit the reset button. When that didn't work, Gary bought Melody's Dream Farm, where he ultimately died. He thought buying this, would fix everything.
Starting point is 00:40:32 He did for a while. and then things start happening again. So it's been an on and off thing. Has anybody ever actually filed for divorce? I think my dad filed, but he withdrew it. Okay. Because I remember him calling me and telling him he was going to take her back. And I told him, you know, I mean, I told him not to buy this place because it's not going to fix it.
Starting point is 00:40:55 I mean, I told him he needed to find somebody else. Scott backed up Chris's statements about his parents' marriage in a separate interview. Why do you think they'd reconcile and never divorced? Why don't you think your dad followed him with it? My dad loved her. He didn't like conflict. He didn't like to argue. He always tried to find the easiest way out of any kind of conflict.
Starting point is 00:41:24 And that's probably why he. I knew he loved her. He was the one, I mean, I think at one point, and he said something to either Chris or somebody. I just heard that he tried to get her to go to marriage counseling, and she wouldn't do it. By the time detectives were done listening to everyone, Melody, the two sons and the two daughters, Emily and Amanda,
Starting point is 00:41:51 they'd heard every angle on this family. The affairs, the money, the move, the dream farm Gary bought to try to hold it all together. Emily and Chris were pretty clear. They think their mother is capable of this. Amanda, the youngest, was still defending Melody while planning her wedding with her. Scott also thought his mother might be capable of it,
Starting point is 00:42:19 but he was a person of interest too. He was the son who lived on the farm and stood to gain the property if Gary were to be gone. None of this told them who actually pulled the trigger, though. On paper, it looked bad for Melody. But Scott, with his temper, his time on the farm, and his proximity to the missing gun, still seemed like the most dangerous wild card. So, detectives stopped asking about feelings and went back to the three days that mattered most,
Starting point is 00:42:51 July 3rd, 4th, and 5th, to see what evidence said about who was there when Gary died. At first, the family wanted to believe this was an accident. Gary had one of his dizzy spells, maybe a heart attack, and fell into the fire. Poof, burn quickly and gone, just like that. But finding the bullet immediately rules that out. And the body burning quickly in a fire? That's just not how it works, kids. Bodies don't burn like that.
Starting point is 00:43:27 You don't burn on bodies. You don't throw them on a burn pile. That's unusual. the amount of effort needed to burn a body is significant go I mean that was just I know that he burned one well okay I'm telling you bodies just don't burn in fires
Starting point is 00:43:45 they just don't go away we're all water you can't burn water incinerators are designed to burn for a very long time in an exceedingly high heat that is not reaching a regular bonfire it's not reaching a brush fire it's barely reached it's not even really reaching a house fire house fires where houses collapse on people, we still find more of those people than we did of your husband.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Okay, then how did he work? It was outside your bedroom window. I was hoping maybe you could shed some light on it. Yeah, all I saw was a bar, I'd never went down there. But someone did. Because someone would have needed to make sure the body itself kept burning until the job was done. and Melody was on the property all day long on July 4th. The fifth is when they all went searching for Gary
Starting point is 00:44:37 and found what Melody claimed to be a goat. I mean, when we were all down the other day, I mean, everybody, me and Amanda and Scott and Chris, even, you know, Addison and Cameron, I think we were all circling around. Scott actually, when we were discussing that about the goat, I said, do we have a goat to die? Did you put one on the burn pile?
Starting point is 00:45:01 And did your daddy put one on? You know, whatever, because all I saw was two legs. What I thought was two legs digging up. Melody wasn't just playing along. So that fire had to be tended to for a while. I just told you, I see you've got to keep an eye on there. Someone had to go back repeatedly. And did what do it?
Starting point is 00:45:26 Keep it burning. I did not do it. I did not do that. I mean, when I two years, I fire was massive. It was massive. And he had a bunch of, like I said, there was fencing and boards and all kinds of... Woefully insufficient for the type of heat
Starting point is 00:45:49 and the amount of the burn and everything else about it. Woefully insufficient. Woefully insufficient. It sounds like feedback on a failed science project. But what he's... really saying is her version wouldn't come close to doing this. A fire, like the one she describes, doesn't erase a 300-pound man. Someone had to stay with it and continue feeding the fire.
Starting point is 00:46:19 That's all on it. That is all on it. That's all I know that was on it. What can you tell me about the blood in that? What can you tell me about the blood you found? I don't know that there was any blood. I mean, how much blood are we talking? We found blood. Do you know anything about the blood?
Starting point is 00:46:43 I didn't know anything about the blood. Nothing. And the entire time you were there, because this is where, and see if this makes sense to you, and I'll let you try to explain how this could happen. Something happened to him. How did he die? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:47:01 You were told. I don't know. You were told how he died, aren't you? What happened? Well, we just assumed when Scott said, this is human remains on this fight. But you know what they say about assumptions, right? It's an old Benny Hill joke.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Have you been told how he died what we found? He told me that there was a shot or whatever slug in the rib. Okay, so what does that indicate to you? The gunshot wound. Okay. I mean, that's like, I mean, I told Amanda last, I mean, we told her last night here. And that's when I found out that it was when we came here. And it was like, how do you grab her head around this?
Starting point is 00:47:52 I mean, I'm thinking he just got caught up in a fire. Because what we have is gunshot wound, burned up body, all of which took a wrong period of time. And you were the only person at the house. So that's why I was hoping. I know you keep saying you didn't, you don't know anything and you didn't do it. And you keep saying that.
Starting point is 00:48:17 I did not. I didn't. But you, but the problem is, is there's almost no way in this world that you didn't see something, hear something, or know something.
Starting point is 00:48:27 And someone is shot, moved, and burned, and burned. And burned. and burned 30 feet from your bedroom window. Of course, Melody knew how he died.
Starting point is 00:48:45 It was absurd for her to sit there and claim she didn't, or she forgot, or whatever. But this wasn't the detective's first radio in Cherokee County, Georgia. And Melody's role in Gary's death was becoming more and more suspicious. Or, suss, as the kids say these days. I don't know anything does not make sense.
Starting point is 00:49:07 It doesn't jive. It doesn't match the evidence, and it just doesn't work. But I don't know the timebreak. I mean, I know when I saw him. You realize, though, this makes no sense, right? You realize that I have had hundreds of conversations with people that have lost loved ones. People who have had loved ones shot and we didn't know who did it. People that have had loved ones who they have done something bad to.
Starting point is 00:49:34 I have had these conversations with people on both sides of the spectrum. I've had countless ones. People tend to act certain ways, whether they want to or not. But I'm honestly telling you, I don't know. And the problem is that just doesn't fit. It's absolutely impossible that you don't know. I'm not saying, I'm saying it is as happened to the evidence we have, it is absolutely impossible. By now, detectives had made it clear.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Her I don't know act doesn't match what they're seeing. A body burned to fragments, bullets in the bones, blood inside the house. A fire that in their words would be woefully insufficient unless somebody kept coming back to feed it. They've pointed these things out to Melody, but she doesn't know yet that they've tread Gary's cell phone moving back and forth between the house and the burn pile on the very day. Melody said she never saw him.
Starting point is 00:50:37 To add to this, Scott says he searched for his dad's wallet the day they found the body. He always kept it on him or in his room, never in the car. Scott searched the car twice over and found nothing, yet later that day, it was in Melody's hands. When he asked her where she found it, she said, the car. detectives were on to Melody's lies, so they changed tact at this point. If she won't talk about the night he died, maybe she'll say more than she means to about how she really felt about him. Didn't anybody know I like him?
Starting point is 00:51:18 I like him so probably all the kids, they loved him and they didn't necessarily like it. I mean, that's what I have always had. How do you feel about him? Well, I love him to death. I don't necessarily like him. I did not like the person that he had to come. Did you catch that? She said she loved him to death.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Huh. Figger's speech? During the investigation, Chris and Scott both found themselves going back over the little things they'd brushed off at the time. The meals she made for Gary. The way he'd get sick afterwards. The spells everyone talked about and nobody really named. They started to ask themselves, Not did she really love him to death, but was death the version of him that she preferred?
Starting point is 00:52:08 My daughter, when she landed, called my mother and asked, can we have that? Remember the sleepover? Can we have the sleepover? They wanted to do it the third. And she said, tonight would not be a good night. That's what I know for a fact. Other than that, other facts, I'll tell you what else I know. And I don't know.
Starting point is 00:52:27 when I was in, when my dad was in the hospital, was April, I came in there, you know, I walk in, and I was like, what's the deal for my dad? He's like, oh, I'm okay, I'm okay. I'm like, no, you're not okay. What's the deal? He said, well, you know, I just keep having these spells. And I was like, well, what's going on? He said, well, your mama says my blood sugar, because she has this test kit, blah, blah, blah, and I was like, okay, I go to the doctor and I say, what's up with this blood sugar? She tells me she's like, I run marathons
Starting point is 00:53:00 and your dad has better blood sugar than I do. So don't say anything. Let me finish. So I was like, oh, okay. Now she could, this, like number one, can you,
Starting point is 00:53:13 like this whole blood sugar thing, where'd that come from? You know, and why does Melody Ferris have a blood sugar test kit and how can she? And then I asked the doctor that and she tells me that.
Starting point is 00:53:26 So then my dad, I'm sitting there, and she goes, he goes, well, about a week ago I was sitting in the theater, and your mother comes down and hands me a tray of freshly-baked cookies. And he said, I ate them. And he said, I probably shouldn't have because she doesn't even have the time even talk to me. And when she does talk to me, she's yelling at me and screaming at me. But I was like, well, they look good. So I ate them.
Starting point is 00:53:49 And he said, they started burning my mouth and burning my throat. and he said then I started feeling bad after that so I called my sister and I called my best friend and I told him and so I said and he was just like I think she's trying to poison me or something and just laughing it off and I thought oh my god you know like no I mean come on you know maybe but he said well then a few weeks before that she brought home a pasta dish and the same thing happened. I said, so I just went to the doctor and I said, look, I said, they have a farm. They have a lot of stuff going on out there with pesticides. And I was like, maybe y'all should run a toxicology thing on him. That might not be a bad idea. Just trying not to be like,
Starting point is 00:54:43 holy shit, he just told me that he thinks my mom might try to poison him. You know, I didn't, you don't want to just tell the doctor that and set off something that doesn't need to be set off. but now thinking back on it, I wish I would have said something a little bit more. One of Melody's final acts of hospitality towards Gary was caught on tape. It appeared Gary knew that he was being poisoned, but maybe nobody believed him.
Starting point is 00:55:12 This is the voice of Gary after he's discovered a shattered plate right outside his bedroom, just hours before his disappearance. What happens when you leave a plate, forget to take it upstairs, a minor temper tantrum? Of course, I had separate a night, and it was six for me, so I'm sure I'll be feeling poorly here within minutes. But we'll see. When the two brothers were interviewed together for hours, their memories became clearer and clearer. Within this past year, the fighting between the two of them just got, you know, worse and worse.
Starting point is 00:55:52 And the comments, my mother, my dad never talked, said anything negative to me about my mother, except for just like her going out and spending so much money on stuff like that and all. But he never, you know, you know, said anything other than that negative way. But my mother, on the other hand, man, I can't tell you how many times I've heard her say, I can't wait till the day I don't have to live with him. I wish she would just have a heart attack and die. And, you know, she's definitely tried to turn all of us only to each other. She has said stuff about him.
Starting point is 00:56:25 She has said stuff about Emily. Oh, she's just trying to, you know, basically stir the pot up with us. She's been doing that ever since all this happened. She's been trying to get me to turn against him and my sister, Emily. And I guess she's been, you know, vice versa with Amanda. I mean, trying to get Amanda turned on all of us. And that's not really, I mean, that's kind of crap my mother would do. I mean, she loved her drama.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Yeah, she loved drama. It's been always really weird. My mom would treat, like, strangers and people she recently knew, or even, like, her pets, a lot better than her family. It wasn't that melody couldn't show emotion. It's that every emotion. began and ended with her. And the only thing she ever seemed to feel for Gary was resentment.
Starting point is 00:57:21 Resentment that he'd seen through her hedonistic version of marriage. She didn't just want to have her cake and eat it too. She wanted to eat hers, take his, and still complain that there wasn't enough frosting. Family members of, you know, passed away. She got more upset. But when I've discovered his body, his remains, and even the paramedic says yes those are human remains
Starting point is 00:57:49 she had zero emotion none no crime and nothing but yet when rebel the horse gets put down a couple months after we found him she's bawled her eyes out
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Starting point is 00:59:06 FBD insurance, PLC, is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. On July 5th, 2018, on the Ferris family's 10-acre farm off Purcell Lane in Cherokee County, Georgia, Gary Ferris, a 58-year-old Atlanta attorney, is missing. His truck is there, and his CPAP and personal items are inside. Also inside her blood droplets leading from the kitchen to Gary's basement room. His wallet ends up in the hands of Melody, who says she's founded in Gary's car. The same car Scott had already checked twice. The timeline matters.
Starting point is 01:00:04 Gary's last confirmed day is July 3rd, when he's been working around a burn pile behind the house. Melody claims she last saw him that night and never checked on him the next day. That next day is July 4th, and Scott isn't on the property, but Melody is. And by the morning of July 5th, the family searches until Scott is called to the burn pile and recognizes human remains. He calls 911. At first, it looks like a terrible accident. Then the autopsy destroys that. Gary was shot, with a bullet lodged in his remains.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Investigators say a burn pile would have been woefully insufficient to destroy a body of that size unless someone kept tending it. Gary's cell phone pings from the house to the burn pile and back to the house, but investigators know that Gary has already been shot and set ablaze. So the case collapses to the people with access and time, and the spotlight lands where it's been. sitting all along, the house, the burn pile, and melody. Only a few missing pieces were left in this puzzle. One of these was the missing pistol that Scott had seen in the basement before Gary's death.
Starting point is 01:01:29 Another one was the question of how Gary's body was moved from the house to the burn pile. We found other things in the basement. Right. Other things in the basement that are significant. We know how long it is. took to we know lengths of time things took we know that moving somebody that's 300 pounds and 6 foot 4 that's bigger than I am that is a significant feat we are putting layer upon layer upon layer on this picture and right now the only thing
Starting point is 01:02:12 you're saying bear with me for a second the only thing you're saying is that you don't know anything about anything about anything that does not and you know what that i will tell you that does not make sense to me from a very just simply based on the information that i know that does just simply not make logical sense in any way shape or form regardless of how the body was moved or where the pistol was this case was prosecutable melody was arrested on june 8th 2019, nearly one year after Gary's death. During this time, she continued to have her affair with Rusty. Remember Ted?
Starting point is 01:02:58 The first guy she had an affair with? The guy who had been her sister-in-law's lover for 20 years? Well, Rusty followed a similar pattern. Melody liked to keep it in the family, I guess. Rusty was the stepson of Melody's cousin Martha Jane Gross Yeah this rusty guy
Starting point is 01:03:23 He just came in the picture When Martha Jane I know I had some suspicions about it Before my sister's wedding Because Emily called me A few months before And said
Starting point is 01:03:35 Melody's showing up in Nashville This rusty guy driving Daddy's Mercedes Or daddy's whatever car I don't remember what car He had the time And just you know
Starting point is 01:03:47 acting rid of it. funny, and then she invited him to my sister's wedding in Franklin, Tennessee, and was dancing with him and acting extremely too friendly. Rusty took a while
Starting point is 01:04:01 to come forward with crucial information, but fortunately, he had a conscience. What Melody told him left no doubt and would be used in the trial. I'm also, I wanted to let you know what I told your lawyer that.
Starting point is 01:04:17 I'm putting my name on the line, too, because that's how confident I am and you and about what you're going to tell us. Okay. That would be an interest to us, not the time or anything, about what happened. I think there was only one conversation that is what you're looking for. Okay. Okay. And it was the last conversation. Okay.
Starting point is 01:04:36 It would be safe to say there wasn't much talking after that. No. No, that was the end of the conversation. Okay. And it's at the last time you've spoken with her. No, no. We could talk to her. I talked to her every still.
Starting point is 01:04:48 I talk to her every day. But again, every day was just every day. So when that, let's talk about that conversation that you feel. Probably the last minute of the last conversation. She said, Gary is in the burn pile. No, she said he is in the burn pile. And I said what? And she said, he's in the burn pile.
Starting point is 01:05:16 And I said, do not say another word and do not tell me anything. I do not need to know. Okay. And that is everything. If I'm going to give an ounce, I'm going to give a pound. That was all of it. That was all of it.
Starting point is 01:05:35 That was everything that she said that had anything to do with whatever happened. That's pretty, I mean, you got to admit, pretty good. I don't know when happened or what happened. And here's the thing. By the time that that statement was made, you got to remember, he wasn't even reported it as missing. By the time the trial took place in October of 2024, Melody's defense tried to shove the spotlight back onto Scott, the sun on the property, the hothead with supposed PTSD. The one they argued had access and opportunity. More importantly, they pulled a statement of Chris saying he preferred 38 caliber ammunition, which they located on a
Starting point is 01:06:17 his premises. But that narrative contradicted the very finding that changed everything. Scott had never owned a 38-caliber pistol, a revolver. He had only seen one in the basement. In a twist, a woman came forward to say her gun, matching the murder weapon, had come up missing in the weeks prior to Gary's murder. It was Melody's cousin, the stepmother of Melody's lover, Rusty. And, turned out, Melody had spent a few weeks at her house helping to take care of her. One last question lingered in the minds of the jury. How did Tiny Melody move Big Daddy's body? The answer was a tractor.
Starting point is 01:07:05 A tractor with a big bucket attached. Melody knew how to drive the tractor, and Scott knew this because he had taught her. The tractor was moved on Tuesday night. and the RTV was moved in the middle of the night. Because the reason why I remember that tractor being there was, because there was a cat that I've never seen before. He was sitting right there on that implement on the back of the tractor. And that's when I walked out and saw the cat and whatever.
Starting point is 01:07:37 It just got a shot. So I knew the tractor was there on the third. After that, I don't. Until the fifth, when you physically walked out there and saw it, Yeah, I didn't think even to look. So the only way I knew that it was down here, because I was not looking for my dad and saw it was parked there,
Starting point is 01:07:59 and that's when I walked down here and put my hand on the hood to see if it was still warm. When detectives cornered melody on this, all she had were flimsy excuses and a panicked voice. And on that property, when you were there, something that did not happen in the blink of an eye, something that took time, something that took people, something that took moving.
Starting point is 01:08:19 The tractor was moved from Tuesday night, and Gary could not have done it. The RTV was moved in the middle of the night, and Gary could not have done. Things were done. Things happened. What are you said? You said you parked it in one spot and worked up,
Starting point is 01:08:40 and that was during the day. That was, and that was the next. But the tractor wasn't. And here's the thing. even at the end of the day I just assumed that Scott can't come in you did again and I'm telling you that we can find evidence to prove that that is not
Starting point is 01:08:59 how it went down and that is not what happened now I don't know I mean I was with a man in jail in Karen okay but the night of the third the only person there until 1130 was
Starting point is 01:09:17 me? Yes. And then after that, you were still there. His body was burned in that fire pit. It was unquestionable you saw it with your own two eyes. 11.30, that fire is still going. Yeah. In that time frame, you don't have
Starting point is 01:09:39 Nobody came through the wood and was sitting there, attending to this fire over for time. But Scott was on that property at that point, after you. Scott found his father in the burn pile and called 911. Melody watched that and later tried to make him out to be a murderer. It's one thing to lie to the police and it's quite another thing entirely to hand your own child to the wolves and call it self-defense. What a bitch.
Starting point is 01:10:13 I was like, gloves are off. You try to throw your own child over the bus. I'm straight up blind to the police. And I confronted her about it. So she's like, I never said that. I'm like, it says it in the police report. By the time Melody Faris's trial wrapped up in late 2024, the prosecution had presented a 18-day case calling dozens of witnesses
Starting point is 01:10:40 and more than a thousand pieces of physical, digital, and forensic evidence. On November 4, 24, a Cherokee County jury found her guilty on all five charges. Malice murder, felony murder, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, concealing the death of another and making false statements. The verdict came after several days of deliberation following closing arguments. At her sentencing hearing the next day, the Superior Court judge sentenced Ferris to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 30 years for the murder conviction and an additional five-year term for related
Starting point is 01:11:21 charges to run concurrently. The judge also barter from contact with certain family members as part of the court order. The prosecutor read a letter from Gary's daughter, Emily, as part of the victim impact statement. She said that since Gary was taken, her family was living inside a unbearable void. Not sometimes every day. They'd lost the laughter, the warmth, the steady presence that held them all together. And now even the happy moments felt contaminated because he wasn't there to share them.
Starting point is 01:11:58 But the worst part wasn't only that he was gone, but it was who did it. The betrayal of realizing the suffering came from the person who should have cared for them the most, their own mother. And as the prosecutor read her words, Chris sat in the background, breaking down, openly sobbing, wiping tears from his face. Scott conveyed an expression of hurt so deep it was impossible to ignore,
Starting point is 01:12:33 while Melody just sat there, resolved to finish what she started one way or another. In the moments that preceded her statement, She spoke to the judge in a calm and steady voice. But the second she began reading, she suddenly and dramatically, uncontrollably became tearful. In July the 5th, 2018, six years, five months ago today began the worst nightmare that I could have ever imagined. Not only my world, but my family's world, was absolutely destroyed at the hands of one person. I've had six plus years of being told not to talk.
Starting point is 01:13:18 Don't say that. Take legal advice. I could walk out of this courtroom today. And drop over dead. I want to make sure that my children, my grandchildren, and Gary's family, and to be honest at this point in time, the entire world who has viewed this, I have waited for years to make this statement to everyone. I want the world to know who did this. I have always heard that the courtroom is the last place you're going to get the truth.
Starting point is 01:13:57 And has that ever been proven to be the truth in this case? Not only did I not do this. I know Scott killed his father. Melody's sentencing statement wasn't a defendant. fence. It was a mirror reflecting exactly who she was all along. Melody wanted her dream life, the farm, the family, the image. Oh, and, you know, all the lovers. But it was all powered by Gary. How inconvenient for her. And the moment that he stopped fitting the role she needed, She treated him like an obstacle, just like all narcissists do.
Starting point is 01:14:51 When confronted with the consequences, she never once showed empathy, accountability, or concern for what her children had already lost. She minimized, argued, lied, and blamed. When the case threatened her, she didn't protect her family, she used them. First is cover, then as human shields. A normal person hearing her daughter's grief and seeing her son sobbing like this would stop the charade. They'd realize all the hurt they'd caused all the people around them that loved them, that they supposedly loved. It would be an awakening, a moment that would define their lives, suddenly realizing what they had done and accepting. the responsibility and asking for forgiveness.
Starting point is 01:15:49 Melody didn't do that. Put it that way. Even in the end, with nothing left to win, she chose the move that hurt her family the most. Because protecting herself mattered way more than taking responsibility for her own actions. Well, hope you enjoyed that.
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