Sword and Scale - Episode 357

Episode Date: July 12, 2026

On a cold April afternoon in Milwaukee, two men walking along the Lake Michigan shoreline make a gruesome discovery: a human leg tangled in the weeds below a bluff. Within days, more body parts start ...surfacing across the city, and even across state lines. The remains belong to 19-year-old college student Sade Robinson, a young woman with a promising future - cut short. Piece by piece, investigators put together the puzzle of Sade’s grisly demise and learn that not everyone is redeemable.Get instant access to all episodes, including premium unreleased episodes, commercial-free at swordandscale.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Sword and scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Then what did you actually find? It looks like the back and the butt and an arm. What is this? Where's the show? Where's the fucking show? Put out the fucking show.
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Starting point is 00:00:47 you're not even fucking put it out the show every day you fucking you piece of shit welcome to episode 357 soaring scale so if you go to our homepage swordenscale.com there's a brand new show called Tails
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Starting point is 00:01:31 it, you know, it's nice to hear what you think, the audience. Just try to be nice about it and don't tell me to just stick to what I'm good at because that kills any kind of creativity. It's early April at Warnamont Park, Wisconsin.
Starting point is 00:02:16 It's around lunchtime and the wind is whipping off Lake Michigan as it usually does. The grass above the bluff is still flattened from the winter. The golf course sign rattles in the background. Below the hill, the waves of Lake Michigan beat steadily against the rock and sand. Lake Michigan stretches for more than 300 miles from north to south.
Starting point is 00:02:44 It's early April, and the water temperature is typically just above freezing. Even on calmer days, the wind pushes surface currents parallel to the shore. Two young men are walking near the bluff. They aren't looking for anything. They're just moving along the edge of the park, glancing down towards the shoreline the way people do. The winter weather has broken, and they're enjoying the walk and conversation, even though it's still brisk out. Below them, the land drops towards the shoreline. It's a steep incline.
Starting point is 00:03:19 of dirt, grass, and scattered rock. They take the path down to the sandy beach and start walking. Their footprints follow behind them. Then one of them notices something on the slope. It isn't at the bottom near the water. It's lodged partway up the bluff about two-thirds of the way up from the shoreline. Whatever it is is caught in the grass and loose soil. At first it just looks like debris.
Starting point is 00:03:49 But debris would be in pieces, and this is one large mass. As they walk closer wondering what it is, maybe a large fish of some sort, the shape resolves. It's not debris. It's not aquatic. It's pretty horrifying, actually. A foot with five toes. The toenails are painted. neon pink.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Now it's clear. The foot is attached to a human leg. The lower portion is unshaven. The skin appears smooth. There are no visible tattoos, no visible scars. The foot is facing west, the top of the thigh facing east. The upper portion of the leg has been severed just below the ball of the thigh bone. Flesh and bone are exposed, but there's no blood.
Starting point is 00:04:52 The skin at the cut edge forms a jagged, almost Z-shaped pattern. The thigh bone itself appears partially cut through. For a moment, neither man speaks, but they exchange shocked expressions. The wind continues. Then one of them pulls out his phone. Okay, where in one of my part are you? We're by the sign by the golf course. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:21 What's going on there? On the lake. We saw the legs down by the lake down the cliff. What down there? A lake, a leg, a leg, human legs. Okay. And then we found that leg dude. It has pink fucking pony a phone.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Hold on, take care of. How do I hand out on one? It's Milwaukee. Yeah. Sir, hold on a second. It's Milwaukee County. If you guys have an officer, and an ambulance to meet the two gentlemen at the parking lot by the golf course.
Starting point is 00:05:56 Apparently they found a leg down by the water. So they found a leg? Yes. Okay. And are you guys sending people? Yeah, we're going to send a couple of the deputies on also. Okay, all right. All right, thanks.
Starting point is 00:06:10 You're welcome. Bye. Bye. Bye-bye. Deputies arrive. But by this time, the leg is shifted location. It's not part way up the bluff. where the men first saw it. Now, it rests near the base, closer to the water line. And the waves
Starting point is 00:06:27 are closing in on it. One of them is forced to move it carefully away from the water. Hey guys, I forgot to ask you, who was the one who actually called 911? Was it you? Okay. And then when you guys initially seen the lake, where was it? It was just like on the beach. It was on the beach. It wasn't up on the hill? No, no, no. It wasn't. It wasn't. We're on the cliff by the bushes. They have fallen down. I remember we were in the clay on the cliff by it. I pointed it up at it.
Starting point is 00:07:04 Remember? No, it's all good. It's all good. Like I said, you're not in trouble, dude. Like any little detail could possibly help. So it was on the cliff and then it slid down or? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Because when they got down there, he had moved it from by the rock, because it was, I was trying to point by the cliff because it was by the cliff. And he's like, where is it? And then we were walking and I looked down and like, oh, it's right there. He goes, oh, shit. Okay. All right, cool. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:34 I'll be right back with you guys, okay? All right. That was weird, right? Not agreeing on where you spotted a human leg because, yeah, that wouldn't be burned into your memory forever. On that very same morning, April 2nd, 2024, the Milwaukee Fire Department, in response to a vehicle fire in an alley behind a vacant building near 29th Street. The call comes in just after sunrise.
Starting point is 00:07:59 It's raining. The pavement is wet and humidity is high. In the alley, it's a blue 2020 Honda Civic. Flames have already broken out and the car is engulfed. Firefighters extinguish the car quickly and police have it towed to a secure impound lot. Later, investigators realized the fire did not start in the engine bay or the trunk. The damage patterns are consistent with a fire that started inside the passenger compartment. In the burned vehicle, they find remnants of a fleece blanket and a purse.
Starting point is 00:08:35 A handheld Bicklighter is found in the back seat. On the front passenger floorboard, investigators find what's left of a green stuffed animal. When they take it from the car, they notice a strong, odor, consistent with petroleum distillate. The report notes the odor is overwhelming. Surveillance cameras in the area capture it in real time. At approximately 7.30 a.m., footage from a nearby building shows an unknown individual walking southbound from the direction of the vehicle fire.
Starting point is 00:09:10 In that same footage, two women can be heard shouting, He did it. It's him. It's going to explode. The figure continues walking southbound and disappears from the frame. Back at the lake, officers are still investigating the leg and wondering if this was a boating accident or something else. It makes it hard to see where it came from because of the weather. You know what I mean? If it was dry, it might be able to see like a path where it like slid down from.
Starting point is 00:09:39 What are you saying? Like right off your body of sticking foot. I don't think the waves will go that high. I don't think it washed up. I don't think so either. I don't think so either. I'm thinking, I'm going to take a while I guess
Starting point is 00:09:54 and say it was a dumb job. Yeah, it got stuck into the trap. And now with the rain, everything, just just just slide down. Right, right. That's why I want to ask D here at least come down and be like, hey, yeah, there's a pheber bone here.
Starting point is 00:10:07 There's a... Right, right. You know, maybe we'd pull out the rest of the body. Otherwise, I'm going to take the wall down over there See if there's anything else. Even at first glance, officers determined this was probably no boating accident. This was a dump job. This was someone dumping body parts over the cliffs and alongside the shoreline.
Starting point is 00:10:29 And though police combed the beach for days, nothing else surfaced there. They were no longer talking about the lake. They were talking about a person whose body parts might be scattered. Everywhere. And they were right. Two days later, another piece of human flesh would fit the puzzle. This time in a whole other state. Another gruesome discovery along the shores of Lake Michigan, this time in Waukegan, Illinois.
Starting point is 00:11:00 The Lake County Coroner says someone walking the beach Saturday night found a human right arm believed to be a woman's. The coroner describes the arm as, quote, mostly intact. In another part of Milwaukee, a mother has been waiting for her. her 19-year-old daughter to call. They last spoke on April 1st over FaceTime, and nothing about that conversation suggested it would be the last time they would talk. By April 3rd, she hasn't heard from her, but this is only slightly unusual.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Her daughter is extremely busy working two jobs, including shifts at Pizza Shuttle on Milwaukee's East Side. She's also a student at Milwaukee Area Technical College, and she has her own apartment in the Lower East Side. Her routine is complex. Some mornings start early with work, some evenings and late, and classes fill up most of the gaps. When she's not working or studying,
Starting point is 00:11:58 she spends time with her friends and tries to have a romantic life. She's been balancing adulthood in real time like the rest of us. Paychecks, homework, rent, friendships. It wouldn't have been unusual for her to miss a call to text back later. It wouldn't have been out of the question for a day to pass quickly. But two days? Two days felt different. Her phone has not responded.
Starting point is 00:12:28 She hasn't returned messages. No one has heard her voice. For someone juggling two jobs in college, disappearing without a word just doesn't fit. Friends have also noticed. All right, Josh. So, yeah, the reason I'm calling you is I'm calling in regards to Sadei Robinson. And could you just kind of like inform me how you know her and when the last time you talked to her?
Starting point is 00:12:56 Yeah, so we had been talking for, like I'd say about a month since I moved to Rochester, Minnesota. But I mean, I'm from Milwaukee, so I had met her before. Last weekend, it was my birthday, so I came home for like four days or whatever, and we ended up hanging out multiple times. Saturday, I ended up staying at her place, stayed until Sunday morning. And then I left. I did some other things during the day, whatever, hung out with my family or whatever. And then Sunday night, it was Easter, like, I made her a little like Easter basket or whatever. I brought it to her at her.
Starting point is 00:13:40 grandparents place, so I met her family and everything. And then Sunday night, I mean, Sunday night I saw her grandparents, stayed there for about an hour, and then I left. And then that was the last time I physically saw her. We were texting everything. The last text I got from her was 312 p.m. on Monday. Literally right before work, she said, have a good day at work. after that night no one hears from her no texts no calls
Starting point is 00:14:13 no explanation and by the time her mother has realized something is truly wrong it has already been two days what investigators are facing isn't just a disappearance it's a human puzzle
Starting point is 00:14:31 and they don't yet know how many pieces there are where they are or what happened to her. But their best guess is murder. On a chilly afternoon in April of 2024, two young men took a walk down to Warnamont Park near Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Starting point is 00:15:22 As they make their way down the bluffs to the shoreline, one of them caught sight of a gruesome piece of landscape, a human leg caught in the weeds. One of them described it as looking like, a mannequin's leg, smooth, dark skin, no blood whatsoever, only jagged pieces of rubbery flesh surrounding tissue, muscle, and a femur bone with sharp, spiky edges. The medical examiner would later testify about the force required to break the bone and remove the limb.
Starting point is 00:15:57 Deputies responded and secured the area. The leg had been lodged partway down the slope, above the reach of the waves. That same morning, miles away in Milwaukee, a 2020 Honda Civic was found engulfed in flames. Surveillance cameras captured a figure walking southbound from the direction of the fire just after 7.30 a.m., while two women shouted from nearby as smoke filled the air. Two days later, along the shoreline in Waukegan, Illinois, a human arc washed ashore. By then, what had looked like a single horrific find along a Milwaukee bluff had stretched across state lines. And in Milwaukee, a 19-year-old college student named Shadee Carlina Robinson had stopped answering her phone.
Starting point is 00:16:52 Concerned friends and family checked in with Shade's Life 360 app, including a best friend she'd known since grade school. When you found out that Shade was missing, did you ever check Life 360? Yes. Did you also have Find My Phone app? Yes. Is that a similar kind of service? Yes, just through iPhone. So one's through iPhone to find my app, and then there's a whole separate app Life 360, right?
Starting point is 00:17:22 Yes. You shared your location with her on both? Yes. When you contacted law enforcement, what information did you want to provide them? My last, with the apps, her last locations that I had on my phone. Shade's mother and friends contacted officers for a welfare check. But before anything else unfolded, her friends had already been checking her social media. This is Josh.
Starting point is 00:17:52 Again, the friend Chaudet had been talking to. What I saw on her story was that she went on out to, like, Dukes-on-water. Okay, was it on Sunday or Monday or what? Monday, Monday. Okay. Did you see anybody in the photo at all? No, I just saw some pound cups. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:13 So the reason I'm calling is nobody has heard from her since Monday, and she's missing. So today's Friday and we're trying to put some pieces of this puzzle together. So is there any information that you could provide? He had seen her story. She went out and was meeting someone. Pretty normal. This wasn't out of character. It wasn't alarming.
Starting point is 00:18:44 Yet. No, the last thing I know is that she went out Monday night. She went drinking and she said something about, like, I shouldn't do this again or something. I didn't see anyone in the photo. When you say she shouldn't do this again, what did she mean by that? Like, was that a Snapchat? Was that a text? Like drinking on a Monday or something like that.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Chadeh wasn't known to be a partier. Her friends and family knew her to be a responsible young adult with military lineage. Her grandfather was a retired U.S. Navy veteran. and her uncle was a U.S. Army veteran. Shadeh herself had been considering joining the U.S. Air Force and was studying criminal justice with plans that included military service. At the same time, she was a normal young adult
Starting point is 00:19:35 who liked to socialize. Okay, what time was that at? I'd say she went there after work. Okay, so she was, was that a text message to you or was that on her Snapchat or when you said, She was on her Instagram. Her Instagram, okay. Yes.
Starting point is 00:19:52 And that was at Dukes, or was that a different bar? It was at Duke's, but I think she went somewhere else. Shade's friend Josh wasn't the only one to report she was meeting someone. So did her best friend. Do you remember her talking to you about a person she had met at the bar? I can't remember the place, but I remember she met somebody. Would that have been the weekend prior? Like, with the date.
Starting point is 00:20:18 I can't remember the exact dates. I just remember before this incident she told me about some person who was... But she met at a bar? The bar part, I can't remember. Investigators would later retrace Chade's movements that night using phone data. Her phone first left pizza shuttle where she worked earlier that day. It then traveled to a restaurant along the Milwaukee River, the twisted fisherman. Surveillance cameras outside the restaurant also captured Chaudet entering, wearing a white top, black puffy jacket, and jeans.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Later that night, the phone moved again, this time to Dukes on water, a busy bar on Water Street. After that, the signal went south across the city to a residence. Then in the early morning hours, the phone traveled one last time towards the Lake Michigan. Shoreline, Warnamont Park. But at that point, investigators still didn't know whose house Shade went to that night, and they didn't know who she was meeting. So detectives stuck deeper with her friend Josh. And it turned out they may have been more than friends.
Starting point is 00:21:41 I say good friends kind of like start into form, like a relationship, kind of like boyfriend, girl. kind of thing. Did you, like, go into Pizza Shuttle and just start talking to her? Is that the work you're referencing, Pizza Shuttle? Yeah. She was at the register or whatever, and then... You're just getting food. My buddy went there and we got some pizza.
Starting point is 00:22:03 And we kind of just shot the crap. Like, we're like, yeah, we're from Hartford or whatever. And then she's like, oh, I got to go to Hartford. And then we just kind of talked for a little bit from there. And then you got her number? Yep. Okay. Did you give her your number or did she get your number?
Starting point is 00:22:20 I asked for hers. Yeah. Okay. I have kind of a personal question to ask you. And I'm only saying this because I've interviewed her coworkers and some of her friends. Did they, so here's a, I'm trying to get some pieces of this puzzle together and they keep referencing a guy. And I don't know if the guy is you or some other guy. But did they ever refer to you as the Virgin?
Starting point is 00:22:47 They did. Poor Josh. Obviously, he and Shade hadn't had sex even. though they'd been hanging out together. And the nickname pretty much said it all. But Josh wasn't the one she was meeting that night. The thing is, on Monday, April 1st, she works 9 to 5. And then she goes to the twisted fisherman with some other unknown guy.
Starting point is 00:23:13 And that's the last time we see her. And now I understand that she goes to Dukes. We're trying to get surveillance video from that. But we're trying to determine who this unknown guy is. So was there any... Go ahead. I have a question for you. Do you...
Starting point is 00:23:26 So you kind of know what that unknown guy looks like? Uh, yeah. Did you have a little bit longer hair? Yeah. Oh, shit. Okay. Um... So, she was telling me that...
Starting point is 00:23:39 So when we went out, um... Saturday night or whatever. You know, and I have friends and everything. Holy shit, that's crazy. Um, there was this one guy with long hair. kind of like a hick a little bit not too much but a little bit and when we got there he kind of like
Starting point is 00:23:58 tapped her she's like hey shot it and then she's like and then obviously you know I was with her this is on Saturday you said yep okay where was this that celebrate a friend's birthday okay
Starting point is 00:24:10 he you know said hey or whatever and then you know I was hanging out with her met her friends or whatever so you know they were talking or whatever we were having a good time you know, we were drinking or whatever. Not, I mean, I wasn't drinking because the night before it was my birthday and I drank away too much, so I felt like shit.
Starting point is 00:24:31 So she was drinking, you know, like I was making sure she got home okay or whatever. She told me at the end of the night, she said, yeah, you know, this one guy, he was, uh, he told me that, you know, he liked me or something like that. And I was like, well, he's not even my type. And I said, oh, what's your type? She said, oh, you're my type. And she's like, yeah, he, he, like, yeah, he, like, he, like, he was. According to what Chaudet told Josh, this guy was upset because he was crushing on her.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Earlier that day, Chaudet went minigolfing with friends and ran into this guy. He must have asked her out, and she turned him down because of her plans with Josh. Josh remembered Chaudet telling him that this guy just wasn't her type. But then, they ran into him that night. If I had to put money on it, if you saw him, guy with long hair it was probably this dude and she had liked her and she wasn't into him and i think she got pissed off when he saw me he didn't say anything but that's what she told me she you know as we're looking she doesn't really notice him she kind of taps her and says hey shy and she's like oh
Starting point is 00:25:41 and because you know they had seen each other golfing and then the girls i mean the night continued and the girls were talking and she said yeah my friends really like you um there's this one dude and he said he was like crushing on me or whatever, and he said that he doesn't really open up to girls about his feelings and shit like this. So that's why I think there could actually be a motive of, like, jealousy or some shit like that. Josh, the Virgin, was easy to talk to.
Starting point is 00:26:10 He was providing a lot of insight into Shade's last movements, insight that even her mother couldn't provide. So not only was this long-haired guy a possible person of interest, but Josh remembered even more The only other guy that I know that could have maybe done something But I highly doubt it was her neighbor Is that that real guy Okay now I guess you keep
Starting point is 00:26:36 You're doing good and you poke my mind So I guess if there were three guys I would think of It'd be that guy from the bar If he had a long hair There was an old ex about a month and a month a half ago She kind of got over him I think he was still on her He called her and was still talking to the family and stuff
Starting point is 00:26:55 So that could be it He was a truck driver White dude black dude hispanic dude Shit, I think he was black I mean I think I was the first white guy That she's dated because I met her family They weren't expecting a white guy
Starting point is 00:27:10 Okay Yeah that's kind of like what her friends said as well So So you said It's that neighbor But all Josh could remember Chade Singh about the neighbor guy was that he convinced her to try some of his gummies. And she borrowed his phone charger. So that's all I really know about that neighbor, dude.
Starting point is 00:27:33 That other X, and something you probably should be aware of is that, I'd say two weeks before this, her car was broken into. Yep. And they didn't take any of their personal stuff. It was more of like a statement. Okay. They broke her windows. And they took her cover wheel of her driving. Like the steering column?
Starting point is 00:28:00 Yeah. So if you were to look into it, I'd say it'd probably be one of those three guys. Josh had just given detectives three directions. A possible break in involving Shade's car, a neighbor who may have. made her uncomfortable, and the man she had gone out with that night. At that point, investigators couldn't rule any of them out. Every lead had to be checked. But while detectives were still sorting through those possibilities, more body parts were surfacing. Some were found along Milwaukee's lakefront. Others appeared miles away, scattered across
Starting point is 00:28:41 different parts of the city. One discovery happened on the north side of Milwaukee. A passerby strolling through the park notices something in the grass in a playground area, not far from where Shade's burned car had been discovered. At first, it looks like debris, some wotted-up paper bag, or maybe a discarded child's toy. Whatever it is, it shouldn't be there. The person moves closer and figures they'll just throw it away, whatever it is, in a nearby garbage can. But now, they see what it is. A human foot.
Starting point is 00:29:18 The skin is dark, and flaps of flesh poke up around where the ankle would be. The toenails are neon pink. Investigators are called and find additional pieces of human tissue nearby. Tissue that is much larger and looks like it was carved from, or fell away from, someone's stature. stomach or thigh. Another grim discovery happened while a woman walked her dog on the beach in South Milwaukee.
Starting point is 00:29:47 You can still see footprints all over this remote beach that's along Lake Michigan here in South Mill Rocky. It's yards from my front door. Someone walking the remote beach around 7.30 this morning found a torso and an arm just yards away from Angela Buchanan's home. I'm definitely on edge now. The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office believes the body Parts belong to 19-year-old Shadee Robinson.
Starting point is 00:30:11 This is not something that anybody should have to go through, especially such a young girl. It just kind of makes me scared now to kind of want to come down here with my dog, you know, and do what we do every day because now it's, am I going to come down here and be the next one that's going to find more body parts? The worst fear in Shadee Robinson's case was confirmed. The body parts belonged to her. What started as a missing person's investigation was now officially a homicide. While detectives chased leads across Milwaukee, Shade's family and friends, were doing something else entirely.
Starting point is 00:30:51 They were searching for pieces of her. They walked the lakefront. They checked parks. They scanned the shoreline, hoping to find anything that might help bring the rest of Shadeh, home. For Shade's mother, one thought repeated in her mind, that even after everything that was done to her, Shade had still managed to leave behind the clues investigators needed.
Starting point is 00:31:20 Shade is forever, she will be forever remembered as an angel. A light worker who's touched so many souls, so many lives in the Milwaukee community. She is our hero. She is forever leaving an imprint. She walks in her own paths, her own light. She solved her own case. My baby solved her own case. That's how I raise my kids.
Starting point is 00:31:50 We don't give up. We are fighters. Shade's mother was right. Before Shadee disappeared, she left behind a trail of clues. Texts, messages, pictures. As intrusive as social media is, these small moments shared with friends in real time would act as digital breadcrumbs.
Starting point is 00:32:12 But investigators weren't relying on digital evidence alone. There was also the matter of Shade's car. Not long after she vanished, her charred vehicle was found burned in an alley near the playground where her foot was discovered. At first glance, it was obvious someone had tried to destroy it. But detectives noticed something about the inside of the car that just didn't sit right. The driver's seat.
Starting point is 00:32:41 The seat in Shade's car had been set for someone much taller. This is when detectives started closing in on the man Shade went out with the night she disappeared. Maxwell Anderson. Max lived on Milwaukee's south side. And as detectives compared notes, they realized he matched. the description Josh had given in his interview. Josh had mentioned a man Chade ran into days earlier, someone she turned down for a date when she went minigolfing with friends.
Starting point is 00:33:15 But the man hadn't disappeared from her life. Just days later, she agreed to go on a first date with him. Max was 23 years old. To most people who knew him, he seemed quiet, soft-spoken. the kind of person who kept mostly to himself. He worked as a bartender and owned a house where he subletted to a roommate. And we're talking about Maxwell Anderson. Maxwell Anderson, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Okay. Just clarifying that. And is he owned this residence? He says that he does, but I mean, and he also told me he put like $40,000 down on this and bought the place, but I don't see how if he only worked two days a week, how he could afford this place to begin with. I don't know if maybe his dad helped him out. I know his dad will sometimes I'll get like Stephen Anderson mail here.
Starting point is 00:34:06 So I don't know if he helped him out buy it or something like that. He was real flexible with rent, which is one of the reasons why I wanted to stay here. To paint a picture for you, Max looked like an urban lumberjack version of Brad Pitt. If that helps. Did he have a girlfriend? Was he in a relationship with anybody that you know of? I know that he texted me about on like March 8th and said that he had just broken up with this girl named Maya. he was feeling really bad about it.
Starting point is 00:34:34 Okay. I don't know if, you know, that has anything to do with anything, but he's always had girls, you know. He's, I wouldn't say ladies, man, but he's also always had, like, girl companions over and stuff like that, yeah. When detectives interviewed his most recent ex, Maya, she painted the picture of what seemed like a normal relationship. We're probably going to ask you some personal questions.
Starting point is 00:34:57 If you choose the answer, cool. If you don't want to, I totally get it. But there's a lot of pieces to this puzzle that we're trying to put together. And some of the things that you might know might really, really help us. One of those personal questions was how many times Maya had had sex with them in the span of about two months they'd been seeing each other. And of course, what was the sex like? So would you say 12 times?
Starting point is 00:35:26 20, 50. Probably like, go with like, like, 12. Okay. Maybe. When you guys were poking up, was there any
Starting point is 00:35:39 like kind of communication whether it's through the phone or in person where he was like he expressed like any fantasy things that he wanted to do? No.
Starting point is 00:35:48 No? He was, no, he didn't really have any like weird he was like that at home. He didn't express like anything,
Starting point is 00:35:57 quote unquote, not the average thing you would do. No. No, he was like very just basic, like, and very just gentle. He never like screamed at me or like he never put his hands on me ever. This didn't seem like killer type behavior. Maya went on to explain that early in their relationship, her dog was sick and she needed to put him down. She remembered Max asking to meet the dog and said he was kind to him.
Starting point is 00:36:37 In fact, he had two dogs of his own that were well cared for. Although his roommate portrayed him to be a big drinker, Maya said she didn't go for that. Did you think that alcohol and Max were an issue or no? So I, I mean, obviously I didn't really know him for that long, but I'm pretty sure he was a pretty frequent. drinker. Um, and I kind of go through phases of that too, depending on like who I'm hanging out with. But like I, when we are seeing each other, like, I talked to him on multiple occasions, like,
Starting point is 00:37:13 hey, like, I know I'm having fun, but like, I really don't want to be, like, drinking and going out this much. Like, yeah. I like to be in the gym every day. I like to feel good and get my shit done. And he was, like, on board with it. He was like, yeah, I'll, like, I'm down to not drink. He started to go into the gym.
Starting point is 00:37:31 to gym, like he was trying to put his life together. It seemed like once he met me. But once he met her, his timetable didn't quite line up with hers. He seemed all in. I was talking to him, I had dates of him, and then he was moving things way too more quickly than I wanted him to. Max was? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:55 He was like trying to move things very, very quickly. I don't have good experiences with people moving. quickly in the past. So I kept telling him I wanted to slow down. And you say he wanted to move things quickly. Like, what do you mean? Like, what was his... Did he say anything? He was he... I mean, he introduced me to a lot of his friends right away. He wanted me to go to South Carolina and me his mom and sister and ebook flights for us to do that. He would call me his girlfriend, even though I wasn't his girlfriend. Just to be clear, you know that in 2026, you can't be boyfriend, girlfriend,
Starting point is 00:38:32 until the question is asked and the words are spoken. I mean, you can have sex 12 or 20 times and go on multiple dates, but that's just talking. That's nothing serious, you know? Anyway, the more questions detectives asked, the more sides of Max came to the surface. And so I did go on a date with someone else, and he did not like that.
Starting point is 00:38:55 March 1st, I was working. I got off early, I went out to dug out another other bar next door with the guy that I was at Luxcoff Bayes with and I was hanging out with him and his friends and then my co-worker called me
Starting point is 00:39:17 she's like my, Max just showed up looking for you and I was like, what? Because he normally works Friday nights. Where was he looking for you at? He came into my bar looking for me thinking I was still at work. Okay. But he didn't. text me or anything. He was like trying to surprise me, I guess. She was surprised, but not in a good way. She says that Max then started hanging out with her
Starting point is 00:39:40 and the two guys she was with. But he was upset when one of them flirted with her. Max stormed out, and she later told him she needed space. She should be able to hang out with whoever she wants. Unfortunately, they had planned to go to the mini golf course in a few days, but now she wanted to blow him off. She said she didn't want to go with him. But she went anyway. That's when things
Starting point is 00:40:11 escalated. I told him I didn't want to go with him anymore. I told him that I wasn't going to go in general. But he must have, I don't know if he just, like, sat there all night in the parking lot, like looking for me to show up there
Starting point is 00:40:29 or what? But I went there at like 7.38 p.m. with his name's Chris. We went there with Chris. We played golf. I was going to talk to a manager there because I used to work at Lux Golf Base. And I was about to swing and hit the golf ball. And I hear behind me, he's like, you better not get too close to the edge. You might fall off.
Starting point is 00:40:54 I thought it was maybe like an old coworker, like messing with me. I turn around and Max is there. and like basically blew up that I was there with Chris, it's a different guy. And then he stormed off. And we were on the third floor so we could like see the whole parking lot. So we were watching to see if he was going to leave. He got in his car.
Starting point is 00:41:18 He drove, but he reparted. So we're like, oh, shit, what is he going to do? He circled Chris's car. He knew what Chris's car looked like because of when we went out that Friday before. So he circled Chris's car once, went back to his car, so I remember it twice, went back to his car. You did it like four times and we're like, what is he doing? The fourth time, a bunch of police cars show up,
Starting point is 00:41:44 and he drives off immediately once the police car show up. You're probably thinking that Maya and her friend called the police on Max. Well, you'd be wrong. It was the other way around. Not only did Max call the cops, but he also. also smashed out her friend's taillight and gave the police his license plate telling them the guy was driving drunk. He was hoping the police would follow the friend and pull him over for the smashed taillight
Starting point is 00:42:13 or even give him a DUI. Maya was Max's most recent girlfriend slash not girlfriend. Although he was pretty devastated when she told him that he needed space and didn't know if she could get over what he did, he did not take his frustration. out on her. This was March, just one month before Chaudet would disappear. But Maya also remembered something else Max had said once. I know it's an uncomfortable thing to talk about.
Starting point is 00:42:45 I know having sex is a weird thing to talk about and I get it. It's fine. We're all adults in the room. It's just something that we're kind of looking into and that's all. He was very gentle. like more so than like some of a lot of guys have been one and um he even like he made a comment he's like I think it's weird how some girls like want to be choked and like I feel like he's like I really don't like doing that max had brought up the subject of choking during sex not in a threatening way
Starting point is 00:43:22 if anything he sounded almost disgusted by it he told her he couldn't understand why some women like that. Maya said Max had always been gentle with her, and when their relationship fell apart, he seemed genuinely hurt by it. At the time, it didn't seem like an important detail, but detectives would remember it later, because Maya wasn't the only woman investigators spoke to. Even before Shadeh and Maya, there was another young woman. We're going to call her Sherry for privacy. And what Sherry would eventually say would send chills down the spines of the most seasoned detectives. I've talked to two of his ex-girlfriends, and I just keep saying the same thing. We're working a case where there's a girl who disappeared.
Starting point is 00:44:15 And it's pretty much just a big puzzle piece right now, and I'm trying to put everything together. So your answers are might be able to help us figure out what was going on. Um, so when did you guys start dating? We started talking November of 21, um, dating March-ish at 22. It was like kind of on and off, and then I completely cut them off. I would say March or April of 23. Okay. How did you guys meet?
Starting point is 00:44:52 Heartbreakers. Heartbreakers? I worked there. That's a dancer? Okay. What did he do there? Bartaker. How did you guys just start talking or what was the connection?
Starting point is 00:45:02 Yeah, we would just talk and I was single and he was single. I was looking for somebody older and kind of got their life more together. So I was like, oh, like, this could work. When detectives sat down with Sherry, the story she told started in a way investigators had heard before. At first, Max seemed quiet, reserved, almost shy. But that didn't last. I mean, we would just, like, constantly get in fights. So he was either, like, really feeling mean and just, like, using anything he could, like, any insecurity I had.
Starting point is 00:45:41 He wasn't ever, like, physical with me, though. Just always putting you down? Yeah, he'd either be super, super mean or, like, super loving. There wasn't, like, that in between. He would call me a slut before. He had this weird obsession with my ex-boyfriend. They ended up getting in like a bar fight on St. Patty's Day two years ago. And then ever since then, he was just like obsessed with him.
Starting point is 00:46:14 So he'd always like whenever we got in fights, like, oh, like, why don't you go fuck Jack? Like, so immature. Like, that's my name. That's why it's. That's why it's funny. Funny, creepy, not sure which. But go ahead. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:46:36 And then with all the drinking that I was doing when I was with him, I obviously gained weight. And, like, no, I wasn't a teenager anymore. And he told me he liked, I mean, like 18. Okay. So as I was, like, aging and then drinking, I was gaining weight. And, like, every single day, it would be like, I don't want you to eat. all of that, just watching like how much I was eating, called me like a fat whore like every day, told me even if I did lose the weight I'd never be able to keep it off. So.
Starting point is 00:47:11 Sherry told detectives Max could swing between extremes. Affection at one moment, cruel the next. Arguments became more frequent. And sometimes Sherry said Max would talk about revenge. Not just arguments, plans, weird plans. My best friend ended up moving in with my ex-boyfriend. Ex-boyfriend's Jack? Yes. Okay. So my best friend Lexi ended up moving in with Jack.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Okay. And Max was like, Jack took your friend from you. I'm going to take, I took you his last girl. Now I'm going to take his next girl. So he reached out to Lexi. Okay. There was one instance where he knew Jack worked on Brady Street. So he told me he was going to Brady Street to find his car.
Starting point is 00:48:04 I don't know if this ever happened or not because at this point it was like I was trying to leave him. So it was really distancing myself. So I don't know exactly. At one point he asked me to invite Jack over to my place and to beat myself up in the bathroom and call the police to get Jack arrested. And he said, either I do that. or he will do it himself. This was becoming a theme, similar to what Maya had told detectives. Jealousy, possessiveness, and weird revenge plots.
Starting point is 00:48:42 And then came the questions about their sex life. Sherry's version was slightly different from Mayas. So this was for about a year? Okay. In the year, did you guys have sex a lot? In the beginning. In the beginning? Yes.
Starting point is 00:48:59 How often? Do you remember? Daily? Yeah. Two times a day? Two times a day when I saw him. And then when did it start, like, dwindling down? When I started getting away.
Starting point is 00:49:17 Okay. Did he ever make videos with you? Yes. Okay. How many do you think? Okay. Does he have the videos or do you have the videos? Yes.
Starting point is 00:49:31 Did he ever send them to you? Okay. By chance, do you have a tattoo right here? Is it a scorpion? Okay. So, just something to keep in mind. Sleep with a criminal and the cops might see your tattoos, no matter where you hide them. And speaking of which, Max did have a criminal history, just a little.
Starting point is 00:49:59 A few years earlier, he was charged with disorderly conduct and criminal damage. to property after smashing the windows of a car during a domestic dispute. Police had also been called to incidents involving arguments with family members at his home. All of this pointed to emotional or impulsive disorders, but not murder. Yet their conversation with Sherry continued, giving detectives even more reason to suspect him. Next, they pulled from Max's diary. Says bondage equals rape. comma role play.
Starting point is 00:50:35 And I'm not judging, not knocking it too bad. I'm cool. It's fun. I get it. I really get it. Even if you are willing to accept that about yourself, you like to pretend you being raped because you otherwise can't feel anything. And he likes to pretend to be the rapist because that's how he'd imagine.
Starting point is 00:50:57 I think he says bed finally get late or he'd finally get laid. Does that make any? kind of sense to you at all? Sherry said no. It didn't make sense to her. But it's also possible she was embarrassed. So one more time about the pretend rape comics. When was that kind of, like, were you guys in bed together?
Starting point is 00:51:19 Were you guys just like drinking or like how was... No, I think it was just like a drinking. He just brought it up? Yes. Just said, I think that'd be hot? No, I think it like might have been, like it might have come off in conversation, like just like, right. or like a movie or something.
Starting point is 00:51:36 And he said, like, rape can be hot. Okay. So, but just so I get everything straight, he didn't try to, like, set that up with you. He just said rape could be hot. Right. Okay. Sherry denied participating in the rape fantasies Max mentioned.
Starting point is 00:51:55 Yet she did participate in another fairly common sex practice. I guess they were all adults. I believe I saw the video. that you guys made. Do you recall the video? Yes. Okay. Are you tied up in the video?
Starting point is 00:52:14 I think so. Yes. Okay. From your recollection, what was going on? Um, I think he was just fingering me. Okay. And then was that what the belt you described? Like you said you're, okay.
Starting point is 00:52:29 Yeah? Yes. Okay. Do you know where you were at that at that time? His bed. His bed? Say, where's the female detective in this picture? Just asking.
Starting point is 00:52:41 Sometimes it was like a little more kinky, I guess. I wouldn't say anything super crazy, but... In the kinky times, what were they like? What was it like? He had the belt on his bed frame, so he used that to time me up. And then there were points. God, this is embarrassing. No, it's totally fine.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Trust me, we've talked to anybody, and this is just, it's just adults talk, and don't be embarrassed about anything. There were points where he would try and put his whole hand in me. Okay. But that, like, usually ended up being stopped because it was painful, and I bleed, so. Okay. Did he ever, were you guys, did he ever choke you? Yes.
Starting point is 00:53:35 Okay. And you were fine with that? Yeah, he wasn't ever like crazy. It was just like normal. Like I wasn't, I could not breathe or anything. Okay. But everything he was doing, you were cool with as well? Yes. Okay. Sherry was possibly so mortified at laying out all the details of her sex life with a potential killer that she almost forgot to mention something pivotal to the whole investigation.
Starting point is 00:54:03 Anything that we did, like date-wise involved. drinks. So like going up to the bar, concert. When you guys went on dates, what kind of dates? Were they just mainly like going out getting food, drinks? Was it? Yeah. Pretty casual like that? Did you ever flying anywhere with him?
Starting point is 00:54:22 No. Okay. He did take me to a park. He wouldn't tell me what it was called because it was like his secret at, like, private beach. So I would know if I like, drove to it because there's a Mexican restaurant on the way that we always stop at. But that secret beach had a name, Warnamont Park, the same shoreline where pieces of Shade Robinson had already turned up, a place where Sherry had visited with the very man detectives
Starting point is 00:55:00 now suspected was the killer. It was April of 2024 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It started with a severed leg on the shoreline of Lake Michigan, then an arm all the way over in Illinois. And it didn't stop there. By then, investigators knew the victim was 19-year-old Shaday Robinson, a college student working two jobs and building a future that ended in pieces scattered across the city and state lines.
Starting point is 00:56:04 Detectives had already started reconstructing the final hours of her life, which wasn't difficult in some ways. Shade had left behind a digital trail. Her burned car, abandoned in an alley not far from where one of her severed feet would later be discovered, surveillance cameras capturing her and her date moving between bars and restaurants, and phone data tracing her movements across the city in the hours before she disappeared. By the time investigators finished mapping that trail, one name kept appearing at its center. The man Chaudet Robinson had gone out with that night. Max Anderson.
Starting point is 00:56:46 He was also the last person known to have seen her alive. It didn't take long before the evidence started piling up. Detectives obtained search warrants and started looking at Max's place. And before they even stepped inside, The yard looked like something had been clawing its way in and out of the ground. Max's tenant spoke with detectives about it. And do you know how long he's owned this place? I know there was one tenant before me who also moved out because she hated it here.
Starting point is 00:57:22 And she said why? I've never talked to her, but that's just what Max was telling me. He was like, oh, she was always calling the city on me because of, you know, the holes and shit that he's got out in the yard. like he said that was going to be a shed, like... Yeah, what's the big old hole? He says that was going to turn that into a shed with like a basement. And they said like when it gets cold in the winter, that's where I was going to keep my dogs. And I'm like, this is the dumbest idea I've ever heard of my life.
Starting point is 00:57:47 Dumbest or maybe sickest? Who adds a basement to the shed in their yard? And for dogs that are indoor dogs anyway? Well, the answer is nobody. And then in the top it was going to be storage for like long stuff or whatever. That was his idea. And then there's another hole going back to the garage. He said he was going to do an outdoor bar there.
Starting point is 00:58:14 Guy's just weird, man. He had all these weird ideas that you just, as a normal person, you look at that and you're like, that's never going to work. You know what I mean? The inside of the house was even weirder, as Max's ex-girlfriend remembered. Well, he had like the hidden closet. Behind the TV you're referring to? Yes. He had that, like, marble piece that you could remove from underneath his bathroom counter.
Starting point is 00:58:41 And he told me that he would store all this money there because he was just paranoid of somebody coming in. He was just very paranoid. He had his little mushroom lab in the basement. Okay. Yeah. When she was questioned earlier about the so-called mushroom lab, Detectives assumed she meant psychedelic mushrooms, but actually Sherry didn't know what the hell they were. Max never specified.
Starting point is 00:59:11 He only told her that they could eat them, which she declined. Once inside Max's house, detectives found cutting tools, including a hacksaw, consistent with the saw marks the medical examiner found on shot A's bones. But the most disturbing discovery came from Max's phone. Investigators found pictures taken the night Chaudet disappeared. In one, Chaudet is lying face down on a couch, looking unresponsive while Max is grabbing her breast. During the autopsy, the medical examiner determined the same breast had been cut off. It was never found.
Starting point is 00:59:55 By that point, detectives had seen and heard enough. On April 4th, 2020, Milwaukee police arrested and charged Maxwell Anderson with first-degree intentional homicide, mutilating a corpse, arson, and hiding a corpse. Prosecutors told jurors he killed Shadee Robinson after their first date, dismembering her body inside his home and scattering her remains across Milwaukee and along the Lake Michigan shoreline. They pointed to surveillance footage of the pair together. The digital trail left on Chaudet's phone, the pictures from Max's phone, and the cutting tools investigators found inside his house. Max's trial started on May 28, 2025, and after roughly two weeks of testimony, the jury returned verdicts of guilty on all counts.
Starting point is 01:00:54 Both Max and his father made statements at his sentencing. Until this point, Max had said nothing. But now he was claiming innocence. I would like to start by saying that from the bottom of my heart, my deepest and most sincere condolences go out to Shadez family, as well as everyone else affected by this tragedy. That being said, Your Honor, I took this to trial without ever once trying to make a plea deal of any kind,
Starting point is 01:01:28 because I did not commit these crimes. And so I plan to appeal my convictions while I hope and pray that further investigations not only prove my innocence, but find and deliver true justice. Max's defense team made a similar argument throughout the trial. They told jurors the case against Max was built entirely on circumstantial evidence that no one had witnessed a killing.
Starting point is 01:01:56 No clear crime scene had been established inside Max's home, and no single piece of physical evidence directly proved he had murdered shot A. Robinson. They urged the jury not to mistake suspicion for proof. When Max's father addressed the court, he spoke about loss. In an ironic twist, he referenced another young man he had once cared for deeply. It seemed like a tragedy had had happened. happened in that family long before his son was ever convicted of murder. On behalf of myself and my family, I'd like to say a few things.
Starting point is 01:02:36 First, to Chavez's family, there are no words that I can share that will reduce your pain. You are all in my thoughts every single day. Although it is not the same, having lost a boy as a like a son. son to me 10 years ago, I have some sense of what you are feeling. It took me a very long time to get past the pain that I felt for the person that contributed to his passing. I'm not asking you to forgive anybody or anything that is between you and your God. After making this mysterious comment, He turned his attention to his murderous son.
Starting point is 01:03:33 We want you to know that we love you and support your plan for self-improvement. In this, we hope for a path for you'd become a positive influence for society, both while you are incarcerated and hopefully after. But there was no path forward for a cold-blooded killer like Max. We don't know much about him, even from his own father's words, but we know the facts. And we know that the jury voted quickly and unanimously. His father talked about hope, self-improvement, and the possibility that someday Max could contribute something positive to society. The judge and the jury didn't see it that way.
Starting point is 01:04:25 I've weighed your character, and as I've indicated, I find it wanting. I've also reflected on the needs of society and are you a good risk? And sadly, you're not. So how do we protect society from a man who clearly has had darkness in his past who engaged in behavior that is,
Starting point is 01:04:45 it's the facts that you see written in horror novels? That's what we have to determine. And you know, it isn't easy. I can tell you that when you think about is there ever something redeemable in a person? You'd like to say at some point there is. And I can tell you that at the points in life where I've come to the conclusion
Starting point is 01:05:08 that there isn't anything redeemable, you know, you do think about, I think it takes away a little piece of my soul. How come I couldn't find anything good? How come I can't find anything that I can say at some point you'll be a better person? Sometimes people are just not. redeemable, no matter how hard to try to see the good in them. There just isn't any. Maybe they
Starting point is 01:05:37 started as a good person, and life's events just eroded the goodness away until there was nothing left but darkness. Or maybe they were just born with the heart of darkness. If that's even possible, who knows? I'm no philosopher. I'm no theologian. That's what makes this case so unsettling. Maxwell Anderson looked like every other guy. He wore that mask perfectly.
Starting point is 01:06:08 As for shot A, she was trying to do everything right. She did everything everyone expected her to do. She did the things people are told to do to stay safe. She told friends where she was going. She shared her location. Her movements
Starting point is 01:06:24 at night were captured again and again on security cameras, across Milwaukee, restaurants, streets, parking lots. Almost every step of that evening exists on video. All except one. The minute she walked into the house of secret compartments. There, rumors have it, they watched a movie about a serial killer who dismembers his victims. If true, was this a trigger?
Starting point is 01:06:55 or was this just for play for Max? Because after the movie ended, he killed her. Then he dismembered her body, burned her car, and took her to his secluded beach to leave parts of her body there. I'm going to send to the deputies down there. Just hang tight. It should be not too long, okay? Thank you.
Starting point is 01:07:23 All right, and what did you actually find? It looks like the back and the butt and an arm. Back arm and the rear of the body. Okay. Okay. All right. Expect a call from one of the deputies. I'm assuming they're probably going to give you a call so they can figure out exactly where you are, but we'll be there as soon as we can.
Starting point is 01:07:46 Okay. He then scattered the rest of her remains across the city. To this day, she has not fully been recovered. covered. No one knows where Shadee put her head to rest. After the trial, allegations surfaced that Max told someone weeks earlier he was going to kill and dismember a woman he had recently met. That claim came from an informant tied to search warrants in the case. It was never fully tested at trial, but it raises the disturbing possibility that Shade may have been targeted from the very beginning.
Starting point is 01:08:28 Some people close to Chaudet also believe she initially rejected Max. At some point, he seemed jealous of her friend Josh. It's possible the date happened only after she tried to smooth things over, something many women do when they feel pressured or uncomfortable. If that's true, it adds another tragic layer to the story. Because what may have looked like an ordinary first-tebrose, state may actually have been the final step in a situation that had already turned extremely dangerous. Or worse, if it can get any worse.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Maybe, just maybe, Chade would have been the first of many unbeknown women to follow in her path, all the way to Warnamont Park and all the way, to Max's private beach. Well, we hope that'll keep you satisfied until next week. We know it won't, but, you know, boy can dream. Go take out Tails
Starting point is 01:10:00 and leave us some feedback. We'll see you next week. Stay safe.

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