Syd & Olivia Talk Sh*t - BTS of High School Musical: The Musical: The Series (w/ Larry Saperstein)

Episode Date: December 23, 2021

We hang out with Larry Saperstein and talk about HSMTMTS, the drama behind it, filming during the pandemic, and the concept of a service horse. Listen here or watch on Youtube! https://www.youtube.com/SydOliviaTube Follow the podcast on social media! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sydandolivia TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sydandoliviatalkshit Twitter: https://twitter.com/sydandolivia About Pierced: Pierced is the first creator-led podcast network that’s making podcasts for the girlies. We’re tired of every man on the face of the planet having a podcast and decided it’s time for a new era of podcasting - it’s time to give the girls the mic 🎤 Pierced podcasts features all your fav content creators in a new light. We collaborate with creators to produce podcasts that speak to the complex and unique experiences of the girls and young women of today – the podcasts we wish existed when we were younger. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

for you. But today we'll be talking shit with a guest. A lovely guest. Perfect for shit. Perfect for talking some shit. Um, first off, if you guys don't know of the podcast, follow it on Spotify, follow it on Apple Music and all that jazz. And check us out on YouTube. We're going to have some fun animated moments on our YouTube channel. Some fun visual components and fun graphics and animation. YouTube channel is Sid and Olivia. We're also Sid and Olivia on everything. Just a fun fact. Today, our guest is a human. A living legend. A, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, uh, a, the, the, the, uh, a, a, the, the, uh, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a

top dancer. Absolutely genius tap dancer. If you have seen, uh, high school musical, the musical, the series, or know what it is because of all the drama that surrounds it, you will know, uh, of this man, of this man, he plays big red, we love him he's our favorite person he's our son in real life Larry Sabresstein welcome to the show I'm so happy to be here

how are you how are you? How are you? How are you? How are you? We're our own studio audience so that's how you can do that? It's really good awesome so Larry do you want to talk about how we met Oh yeah

How did we meet? We met through TikTok We did so we So Olivia and I had been Like just What's that word when you watch everything? Binging. Binging. We had been binging high school musical, the musical, the series on Disney Plus, and we were at first watching it being like, what is this?

And then immediately became so invested. And like at some point, I remember the moment we got invested because we were watching it. And, you know, what's Joshua Bissette's character's name? Ricky. Ricky. Ricky says something, you know, to Nini. And we were standing there. And then, And then Olivia just goes, oh, imagine this boy breaking your heart. And I said, I know I'd be crushed.

And we both went, wait, wait, wait. What? Wait, people were like, wait, no, no, no, no. Wait, you like the show? No. And then we realized we both secretly loved it. And so the whole time our favorite character was Big Red, the tap dancing friend of Ricky, who just is like absolutely phenomenal and hilarious and adorable.

Yeah, and just like a beautiful soul on all levels. And then Sid, I think at some point, I was on. TikTok and I on my free you page there was um a video of larry that came up and I was like oh my god that's big red and I look down in his username and next to it it says follows you and I was like oh my fucking god she like called me screaming I called Olivia and I went you need to sit down yeah she did yeah she did say it I was like big red follows us on TikTok and I'm like oh my god what are we do you're like star-strunk um and so we followed him and then we immediately messaged him and we're like, okay, so how are we doing this?

How are we all becoming friends? And then we did. It was, and it was like pure, like, fate, too, because I had been following you guys for a while, probably, like, since mid-pandemic when you guys were making your, like, still making your, like, face-time type videos on TikTok. Um, but

you guys, you know, I didn't realize, you know, TikTok is geography. It's, like, based on geography. So, when I moved to L.A. is when my stuff started showing on your 4-U page. Oh. So then that's when you found me. It was not long after I moved to L.A.

That's so interesting. Wow. And you moved close to where I was at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so now knowing that you ran the page or run us from the page. We both have it on our phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but I tend to space out on more things.

It's better at looking at social media stuff. I had no idea it was even a geography based. Yeah, I heard that it was. I heard that it, but then there's like really weird times you'll go down the TikTok rabbit hole and people will be like, welcome to like Cleveland, Ohio talk. Like, who here is from Cleveland, Ohio? And all the comments are like, me. And then there's one person, like, not me.

The amount of times that you get stuck on, like, prison talk. And it's like, I don't think this is like a prison near me. No. It's just like a random prison. Yeah. Have you ever made it to Russia talk? No. I might have.

It's just Russian TikTok. Yeah. I made it there the other day and I was like, I think I'm a little too far. I think I went too far west. Yeah, I often when I'm watching TV on my Roku, shout out to Roku, I guess, I will get ads in Spanish. And I'm always like, that's so weird. I'm watching a show in English. It's weird that you guys are like, you probably want this in Spanish though.

I'm like, really? Do they know that your dad's from Mexico City? Maybe they do. Maybe they called him. Maybe they just gave him a call and he was like, hey, I want her to practice her Spanish. I was raised in Mexico City. I want her to practice her Spanish. Can you just talk to her about Geico in Spanish?

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's what I always say in bed. I always say talk Geico in Spanish. Talk Geico in Spanish to me. And you're fucking the lizard. Yeah. Every time I fuck the lizard, that's what I ask. Yeah.

My favorite TikTok rabbit hole I've gotten down recently is like when you find some, like, I don't know how I ended up there, but I found a couple of people who were just like had very specific accounts. Like the accounts were like, I was a meth addict and I was in jail for 10 years. But then I found my twin and we had a battle to the death. and now I'm a mom who raises my son and talks about Jesus. And like every TikTok will be like a dance where it kind of just says the same version of the story. Or like a guy who was like, um, my wife tried to poison me and I wrote three books about it.

And she tried to poison me with arsenic. And now I have books about it. My wife tried to poison. No, she did poison him. And every TikTok is him being like, when your wife poisons you. When your wife poisons you with arsenic. And like, that's, like, that's. my favorite type of rabbit hole to go down when when it's like a very specific situation.

There are some of those though that like those stories that sound too crazy to be true, they are. Yeah. They're totally fake. Yeah. And they just they just make those stories so that they like go viral. Yeah. Which is crazy too.

We should start doing that. We should become complete sociopaths and start doing that. We should become liars. I would like to rebrand as a liar. Let's rebrand the three of us as three big liars. Yeah, I love that. Three big liars. Three big liars.

coming at you. You're originally from New York, right? Yeah. Okay, hell yeah. What was that like? Busy. I don't know. Yeah. I, I, it's just, it's a different, it's a different pace for sure. You know, I grew up, like, in the theater world. So I was very much around, like, the Broadway community. I was dancing all the time and, like, doing that kind of stuff. And then, yeah, and it's just like everyone's always busy all the time in New York. And then how did you, when did you audition for a high school musical and how did that all come about? So that was, my junior year of college. So I went to school for design for theater. That's cool. And then I did that for a couple of years. And then just, I was very lucky. And that was my junior year of college. And then I got

that. I left school, did season one. Did you, like, were you represented and you got the audition for it? Yeah. Yeah. So I always had like my manager and stuff like that since I was really young since I was like 10. That was like, because they grew up with all those like Broadway kids. Yeah. Um, even. No, I wasn't on Broadway, sadly. But one day. One day, one day. Yeah, but so, so then that happened junior year. And then went to film season one, went back to school, then went back for season two, and then it was COVID.

Oh, my God. And then they had it in the show, did they have it that you were going to be a tap dancer? Or is that something they added in because they knew you were good at tap? Yeah, they figure that out at my very final callback. They watched a bunch of videos on my Instagram of me, like, dancing. and then they were like, oh, that's really cool. And then that's when I kind of knew that I was going to maybe get it. Because it was like, oh, they're very interested in this random skill that I have.

Yeah, that's so fun. Yeah, and then they worked it in. But they didn't really tell me about it. I sort of knew that it was happening, but, you know, it was the very end of the season. So it was literally the last thing that we shot. So it was. That's so crazy. Yeah.

Yeah, the reveal that you're good at tap dancing was wild. It was shocking. Because especially because your whole characters, you're like, I'm not a theater person. Yeah, the whole first season, you're like, I don't know. I know nothing. And then they're like, oh, wait, wait. But tap is in my blood. It's funny because the person who is really not a theater person is Matt Cornett.

I mean, he is more so now, but when we started, like, I remember he was like, are scenes and musicals still called scenes? Wait, and who does he play in the show? E.J. E. J. Yeah. Which is funny because he's like the theater kid.

that thinks that he's going to be the lead. That's so funny. And I just remember him being like, so how does a musical work? And it's like it's the same as a show. And you're there playing the person who's like, how does a musical look like knowing every step of how a musical works? Oh my God.

That's so funny. So do you feel like because you were doing a high school musical and it was kind of like a show about high school, do you feel like you guys all kind of got put back in that feeling that you get when you're in high school in like your theater program? Yeah, I think so. Especially because we were doing so much of the show. show in the actual school for season one at least yeah like it was just weird to like be filming a

lunch scene in the cafeteria where like Troy Bolton like came down the stairs and that's so trippy and then to then have it be now my home and it be like my own like after two years of being there it's it's really strange that's yeah and and just to like make all these new friends and all you guys have is like we all love theater and and we're like you know young people. Any group of young people who all love theater immediately bond so hard. Any group of young theater people are going to immediately bond and immediately become so horny for each other. That's true. Any group of people who are interested in the arts will absolutely have that happen to them. Yeah, that's just like what happens. And then put them all in a foreign

city where they have no other friends and no family. Oh my God. Yeah. And do the math. Because you guys filmed in Utah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like taking Bachelor in Paradise. Right. And putting it in Utah.

Yeah. And having it be kids. We are the real housewives of Salt Lake City. Oh, I love it. You really are. Oh, my God. You guys are. You guys really are.

You guys actually are. Oh, my God. I would love that crossover. I know, right. Who's going to get arrested? I don't know. I don't know. Okay.

It's like, of the cast of high school musical, the series. Who is most likely to get arrested? Like Jen Shaw. And you can say you if you don't want to say anyone else. And Jen Shaw was arrested. It's definitely not me. Jen Shaw was arrested for money laundering. Yeah.

I think if I'm being honest, it's probably like Frankie, which sounds weird. Okay. Who plays Carlos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Frankie plays Carlos. Yeah, I mean, he's also like the oldest in the cast. Right. No, that makes sense that the oldest, yes, a cast member would get arrested for money laundering.

And how old is he? I don't, I don't want to reveal his age. Oh, no worries. His age is the best kept secret in Hollywood. would. Oh, he doesn't tell anybody. Oh, it's wrong on his Wikipedia page. It's incorrect. He's teeny tiny looking. So let's keep that secret. He looks so young, which is why he looks a little, I ask, little little boy. Wow. Which I'm loving that. I didn't even know is a secret. That's so funny. I love, I love a good secret. I love a good high school musical musical, musical, the series. Yeah, because we don't have, we don't have any secret.

The thing that high school musical series is there just are not enough secrets or drama. There's no drama. There's not enough stories. There's of things that people don't know. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So you guys should be more interesting, okay? Oh, my God. I would, I pray for a high school musical, the series, reality, uh, show following the outside drama. We wanted that, especially because the show is docu-style.

Like, when we were doing season one, we were like, we need like the, the, the documentary of us filming the documentary. Oh, my God. And you know what it would be called. We all know what it would be called. High school, musical, the musical, the series, the documentary. Yeah. High school mirrors.

Yeah, yeah. That's a mouthful. That's amazing. But it also would do so well. Oh my God. It would now knowing. So exciting. I mean, just now knowing everything that has come out of this group of people.

It has changed culture. It has changed culture. Wait, what are you talking about? Oh, Larry doesn't know. Larry's about you. It's about you and your beautiful tap. Oh, thank you. There's so much drama about you and your beautiful tap dancing.

People have decided to make it all dramatic about your tap. about your tap. Wouldn't that be a gag, though? Yeah, I would love. If, like, tap dance was as, you know... It was like a big, dramatic moment. I got as much press attention. Yeah, and as much controversy around tapping.

Yeah, we were talking about before, we were like, you know, there have been a few albums that have come out of the cast of High School Musical The Series now are going off and having their separate musical careers. Yeah. And we think every single person in the past should get their own albums. Yeah. Just explaining their perspective, their point of view of like, I'm just on the side. Yeah.

I'm eating a pizza. Yeah. Like we're doing to film. Make one with Larry and we'll call it the Larry version. This is like me eating like lunch. And all the songs are like just about your lunch. You're like it seems like people are kind of weird at each other. I have some suit.

And we had to get swabbed three times a week. Yeah. Oh my God. See, put that in your Larry's version. Yeah. Getting swabbed. The Larry's version is mostly about the COVID precautions. The COVID precautions and just lunch facts.

All the other albums are like about the drama behind the scene. And Larry's like, God, you guys, this COVID stuff's crazy. You know, it's funny though, the lunch facts. I was the only person we had like when we were doing COVID times when it was COVID times. Normally lunch on set is like a big buffet. Yeah. Yeah. But in COVID times, they would like box it up.

for us because it was safer that way. And nobody else liked the lunches anymore. And I still liked them. Everyone was always like, the lunches are bad since COVID. I was like, I think it's great. See, you deflect drama. You say, don't have, don't get me any drama about this lunch.

I'm not doing the drama of the lunch. I like this lunch. I like that the drama follows you everywhere, but you always go, no. You don't absolutely not. I'm not a part of this. I'm not a part of this. I wish that we're more true. Well, you know what? we're going to make it true in this in what we're putting up to the world.

How was shooting all of that just in general? With COVID. With COVID with just like it being your, it's your first like major TV show. Yeah. Yeah. So how was like all of that? And it became such a huge success. And it became such a freaking huge thing.

Yeah. I mean, season one for sure was like crazy fun because it was like the first time we were doing this thing. It was like high school musical. We were at the school. We were like, you know, it was. It was like insanity. Everything was new.

Everything was like happening all at once. And then it was, I mean, it was really cool. We knew that like to an extent people were going to like it. Yeah. I just remember, you know, when the show first was announced and there was all this hate about it. Oh, as there always is for everything. Just sort of taking it with a grain of salt because I was like, they don't know. Once they see the first, it only takes, you know, two minutes of watching the first episode to understand the point.

Yeah. Yeah. Once you're on board with that, it's, you know, it feels like this generation's version of Glee. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's kind of what we knew that we were doing. Yeah. I mean, season two was the first bit of season two before COVID was amazing. So you started filming season two and then COVID happened. Yeah. So we stopped for six months. So there's a huge break when you're watching it. It's right between episode two and three.

Everyone aged six months in a day. Yeah. Wow. But you really don't know. No, no one looks at any different. No, we have no idea. But you don't notice it, but it is so funny now, knowing that time line and knowing everything that it's like everyone was maybe fighting with each other. Everything was crazy. And like, we don't know what was happening. And we can't tell when you watch it. Yeah. I mean, I will say everybody is, you know, they are professionals first.

I'm sure. I love that. So like, you know, work was work. And we got through it and it was great. And that's, that's amazing, especially for for everyone being, you know, young professionals. Like everybody's young, everyone's going through life. Especially when it's like also kind of mimicking the idea of like a high school theater program, right? Like if you have that kind of group together and everyone's in that headspace, like, you don't expect it to be like professional first because I'm sorry. I would be having too much fun. No, when I was in high school theater program, it was not, we got in trouble for hitting kids in the nuts sack during crusades. during Crucible.

We were rehearsing for Crucible and we would punch each other. We would do Vaghtag. I remember that. What was the other one called though? A penis punch. Penis punch. And we'd hit each other in the genitals and our theater teacher was like, you have to stop doing that. It's the crucible.

It's the crucible. And we'd be like, um, no. And so I, I'm very impressed with you in your cast. I think that would have been a recipe for a disaster if you were playing a penis bun. If they had, if they had, if they had. invited either of us anywhere new. It would have been an absolute nightmare. I'm impressed you guys weren't doing penis punch and vatch tag. Also, just like a fun little shout out. Your love interest in the show, Julia Lester, like absolutely we kind of like ran in the same circles with her growing up.

She lived in our area where we grew up. And did musical theater like in a school over basically. And so yeah. So like shout out to Julia Lester. You're beautiful. Hell yeah. What a fun time. Yeah. Yeah. Also fun in high school musical, musical series that everyone kind of has their romantic storyline. I love that.

It's just sweet. It's like, it's sweet. Even the adults. Everyone's, even the adults. Everyone's coupled up. Season two was very much about romance.

It was for everyone. It was a romance heavy season. Yeah. And so much takes place at the pizza place where your family works. At the lovely pizza place. Yeah. Did you get any like free pizza? Or was it very COVIDed out and like the pizza was.

Oh, that sucks. Well, so actually, like, a COVID rule is, it's weird, but you're not allowed to eat on camera during COVID times. Interesting. I guess because they're giving you food. They're giving you the food. Yeah. Because, like, you know, if there's a pizza on camera, it's, you know, chosen by the art department. And the props, you know, it's technically a prop.

So it's, like, cooked, but and prepared by them. No eating the props. And usually, anytime I try to eat, like, a prop. normal prop like a stapler or something that people tell me not to as well so that makes sense yeah it does yeah it does i uh i had a i was on a a show for a couple of episodes this show called pivoting that's coming out in january 9th and my snaps for pivoting my uh my first scene that i shot i had to eat like i had to be like eating a bagel and like talking with my mouth open and like being a lot and i was eating really big bites because i was like i feel like this character would do that

and then I forgot how many takes you really have to do. Yeah. And so I think I ate like 16 bagels that day. Spit bucket. Yeah. And everyone, I know. And everyone kept being like, and I just kept being, they were like, oh, you're eating a lot of carbs.

And I was like, for work. Yeah. I was like, this is my job. I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you. It's a big spit bucket. But I'm sorry you didn't get to eat a thousand pizzas. No.

There were some, there were some pizza eating in the few pizza scenes before COVID, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Okay. So you got your pizza in. before that. Have you ever stolen anything from a set that you were on?

Ooh, good question. Like a prop? I've accidentally Oh, we took something, but we asked for it from a set we were at the other day. We recently just said, can we take all of our costumes home? And they... And a set piece. Oh, and set pieces. That's going to be in Sid's new apartment. And then they said yes, and we got it. We have the set. Yeah, it was great. It was, the set piece we got that's going to be in Sid's apartment is like a big map that's color-coded and it says countries that countries that like women. Yeah.

And it's like only New Zealand and like Australia and like a couple of places in Europe and Canada, I think. Yeah, it's color-coded about places where women have basic rights. It's so good. Yeah. So that's really good. Have you ever stolen anything? I have.

I love that. So from season one in Big Red's basement, there was like a lot of props and stuff. And so there's like these skateboard wheels that were just like. around the room. Yeah. And I took one at the end of season one and I had everybody's assignment. That's so cute. And so I have that somewhere.

Oh, I love that. I kind of don't know where it is at this moment in time. I think it's, I think it's just misplaced. Yeah, it's just misplaced. You will find it. So that was one thing. And then, like, I think I took like a pair of socks. I love that.

They're very, they're very, like, sticklers at the Disney. I accidentally stole an earring from pivoting. And I. Just one? Yeah, I took one out. And then I forgot to take the other one out. and I left and then I got a call and I'm still actively trying to return it

so if you're from that production team and you want to hit me up I will return that earring. But you have to drive to her. They do have the other one. Yeah, yeah. Come over to my house. Yeah, I do. I do just have they have one, I have one. Maybe it's like a friendship bracelet

thing where like you each take one. It's like a wishbone situation. It's kind of sweet. Yeah. So maybe that's sweet or maybe I'm in trouble. So Larry, what do you feel like is up next for you. What do you feel like you're going to be doing

after your whole big high school? After your album, Larry's crazy. I'm going to drop an album next week. That seems to be the trend. Yeah. No warning. They won't let us eat pizza, but the lunches are still good. Yeah.

Well, you know, it is one of my dreams to do sort of like a comedy album in the future. Like I would love to do like a Bo Burnham kind of like musical comedy. Musical comedy album would be really, really cool. That's so fun. I have not started writing it. So for the people that are listening to this, it's not a more. No, it's just a dream. It's just a dream, okay?

Yeah. And what kind of topics would you want to talk about on your album? The serious thing would be, like, talking about the experience on the show or, like, working at Disney would just be fun and silly. But then I think there's also, like, funny things. I think there's, like, the fact that I don't do my dishes for, like, two weeks. I would relate to that one. Living alone.

So you mentioned that. that you would do like a serious song about working with Disney and all that kind of stuff. Is it not all Mickey Mouse years? Is there not all Mickey Mouse? I mean, I mean, there are definitely perks. Yeah, I'm sure. There are things that are so great. Can you get into the park for free?

Yes. Oh, my God. But it's only like a specific number. Like you only get a certain number of passes. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I mean, how much do you take advantage of that? I've only done it like once. I'm feeling us all doing that.

Yeah. Yeah. But then also sometimes you get to go for. work stuff and then that doesn't count towards your passes it's only like if you want to go for fun yeah yeah um so yeah i've done that like once but um yeah i mean it's it's it's still work you know what i mean yeah it's got all the same like crap that a regular job has which is so weird because it's plus tap dancing which is but i get to tap dance have you ever had like a regular job job yeah i mean at like uh i i the just before i got high school musical when i was at school i was at school

I was working three jobs. What jobs? So I worked in an office at my school Pace University where I went. And it was called Educational Media. Oh, love that. And it was basically like all of the old lady professors that didn't know how to turn on the computer. You like helped them? They would call the office and be like, I don't know how to turn on this projector.

And then you would have to like walk up three flights of stairs and like walk over to the room. There was an office for them. You push the button and then like walk that. And you got paid for that. Yeah. That's lovely. Yeah. That's lovely.

And then, so that was one thing. Okay. And then I also worked in the scene shop at my school. So I was like that. So that was fun. I mean, I would do like lighting. I would, you know, hang the lights and focus on. So you're super handy?

I wouldn't say I'm super handy. I am terrified of the saw. I'm terrified. Of the saw? Like in the, valid. I'm completely bad of the table sauce. Yeah.

I'm really scared of the saw franchise. Yeah. I broke a table. table saw at school. Well, then the saw should be afraid of you. Yeah. And it cost like $400 cents to fix it. It was like a whole thing.

The school should be afraid of you. Yeah, the school should be afraid of you. The school is a budget guy should be afraid of you. What were your job at that time? Oh, I worked at the reception desk. I worked at the reception desk for the tap studio that I grew up dancing. Oh, okay. So I would like sign people into classes.

How long have you been tap dancing since you were a kid? Yeah, I got really serious about it when I was like 12. Okay. But I always been doing it, but I got serious about it. That is the age to get really serious about something. Because like all your hormones are all weird and you're putting it out into an art. It was like, tip dance. And then you make that art and then some part of, it's like always a part of you.

Yeah. You really got into it when you're 12. Also, fun fact, 12 years old is when your body image forms. That has nothing to do with this. But that's a fun fact that a therapist told me once. When you're interesting. Yeah. When you're 12 or 13 and you have all that sexual frustration you can't get out.

because nobody wants to kiss you yet because you're 12 or 13, rightfully so. So a perfect way to get rid of it is tap dancing, I would assume. So you were, so you became this like genius tap dancer around the time of being 12? Well, I would say I became the genius tap dancer around like 15. Okay. Okay. You started your path. I started at 14.

Okay. I love that. I love that. You're just being modest. Okay. So then, but then were you like, I'm going to be a dancer? Was that like the idea or was it like I'm going to be on? Broadway. It was, I'm going to be on Broadway, but, um, I tend to fall into, like, wanting to be the best

in whatever thing that I'm doing, even though that's unrealistic. What's your, um, uh, zodiac sign? I'm an aries. Okay. Is that, does that line up? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Someone will know. I don't know. Comment down below what the heck that means. If it was just my, uh, my gut told me to ask you that. Yeah. If, hey, if anyone wants to do a profile on me. I'm an Aries, Sun, Libra Moon, Aquarius Rising. Nice. Nice. Nice. Take with that information. I love that. I don't know what it means, but I'm assuming my mom knows what I mean. I know that Ares is what? An air sign? Or does, or does, or I think it's, I don't know. Fire? Oh, I think I just heard the word error in it. Well, that's the thing. I always thought

Aquarius was a water sign because it has aqua in it and it's like a guy pouring water into his junk or something and it's an air sign, I guess. It makes no sense. sense that it would be a man pouring water anywhere. Yeah, no, it should be pouring air somewhere. So that's totally fucked up, guys. You guys have to fix that. It's just blowing. Capricorns are apparently a goat mermaid. I don't know if that is a technical term. The way I found this out, because I'm not super into astrology, even though I know I should be, I was at a Starbucks, and I was wearing a little necklace that said Capricorn, which doesn't make any sense as to why I'd be doing that because I don't know anything about that at all.

Imagine if you weren't even a Capricorn. You just like, what if I'm not? You should. I should wear something that's like Leo or like Sagittarius and people will be like, you are such a satirals. I mean, I used to have a necklace that said, what did it say? Frank J. Yeah, I found a necklace at a Goodwill that said Frank J on it.

And people would be like, oh, is that your boyfriend? I'd be like, I have no idea who Frank J is. No idea. And then it broke, which is sad. my dad. Frank J is my dad. I had a necklace that said Capricorn. I was at Starbucks. I ordered something. The guy was like, oh, you're a Capricorn. I was like, sure.

Yeah. And then when I went to go pick up my drink, he hadn't taken down my name. And he called out, um, goat mermaid. And I was like, excuse me? And he was like, that's you. That's you. You're the goat. You're the gullarmus. Because that is what Capricorns are, apparently, according to that guy from Starbucks. Dang. That's crazy. What's your signs animal? It's just a bull. Just a bull. I'm a Taurus. It's just a bull.

I don't know. I feel like it should be a bowl mixed with something else because that's what everything else is. I mean, I don't know, I guess the crab's just a crab. You're just a goat, right? But don't, aren't you a goat? Is it? Areas is a ram? You're like a ram with like weird legs, right?

Is it? I don't know. Your legs are like a flame or something? I don't know. I feel like, don't body shame his ram legs. It's better than, what's the one that's like just a scale? Yeah, Libra, yeah. That's a bummer one because it's literally just a scale.

It's a bummer. It's like not a super fun one to have. You could have a thing. You could have just made that a different type of thing. And I also feel like scales are not even that fun for people. No, usually no one looks at a scale and goes like, I love it. Yeah. So that's upsetting.

It's a scary thing for some. For some it is, absolutely. Do you have any animals? Do you have a ram of your own? Do you have a ram? Yeah, so, okay, so my family, so I have a dog. I grew up with a dog. Of course.

But then we also have a miniature horse. Wait, in your apartment? In New York? No, yeah, not in my apartment. Yeah, at my parents' house. York. Okay, sorry. At their house? And what is this like? Yeah, like, yeah, outside. Oh, outside. What's it like to have a miniature horse? But he can't go in the garage, actually. Yeah. To like take a ride in the Corvette or like what?

No, so he's like, he's like not much larger than like a large dog. That's so I don't believe you. No, I'm, I'm so dead serious. His name is Beebe King. Oh, that's Kim. I love that. Yeah, and so, but he's also, so he's also a service animal. That's why we have him. He's a service horse. Yeah, service horse. Wait a second. How? What is he service? That's my band name.

Service horse. He's literally like Little Sebastian, a miniature service horse. That is him. Oh my God. That's amazing. I want this animal. This is great news for everyone except for my boyfriend. I want a service horse.

He's definitely allergic to horses. Can you take your service horse into a Starbucks with you? Yes. You can. Well, he's not my star. He's my dad's service horse. Okay. So can your dad?

Your dad has a service animal. It happens to be a small horse. Yes. He can bring it into like a Dillards with him. 150%. I'm obsessed with that. Well, it's time for us all to get service horses. It's time for us to all go to New York and see how Larry's dad does it.

And if they don't let you bring him in, they're like breaking the law. They're breaking the law? You have to let a service animal enter. Yeah. Oh my God. So you can bring in your service horse to a plane. You're supposed to be able to, yeah. Holy fuck.

Oh my God. Imagine getting on a flight and there is a horse next to you. My family has never done it, but. But they should. But they can. They absolutely should. But you know, flying to L.A., like you were flown from like New York to L.A. People bring their dogs.

Oh, yeah. Babies. They're shableness. They're shableness. I'm sorry. I would rather sit next to a horse than a baby. Oh, any day. Any day.

In any situation. Except unless Jake was there because he's allergic. Sometimes if he wasn't there. Yeah. I'd sit next to that horse over that baby. Listen, I feel like a horse. and I would really bond. We could talk about our love of carrots.

And apples. And apples. Yeah. And a baby. We have nothing in common. I have nothing in common with a baby. I do. I don't shit my pants.

No. So that's the only thing you have. Yeah, I don't shit my pants. I never cry. I've never cried. I've never cried. Because I do not have a heart.

You ever come to New York? You can be. What part of New York can you keep a horse in? Not Manhattan. No Manhattan. Long Island. Okay. Or like upstate.

Yeah. Wow. Wow. A small horse from Long Island. That's a beautiful children story. A small horse. Hi, I'm just a service horse from Long Island. I think that's like your next project.

I think your next project is a service horse. Your documentary about a service horse. Your next project absolutely has to. And then he'll drop an album. Yes. And it'll be service horses version. The service horse version of everything that went down. Yeah.

Oh my God. I will never get over that. and I truly think that in the, that whatever you do next, you have to incorporate your service horse. In the Disney Family Sing-A-Long? No. Oh my God. We saw that.

During the pandemic, there was a thing called the Disney Family Sing-A-Long, and they had a bunch of different, you know, stars from a bunch of different Disney projects. They had like Derek Huff. They had Corbyn, like, so we were with the cast of high school musical, like the original cast of high school musical. That's so cool. We were on this together. Well, it was all on Zoom.

It was all on like from your home. Okay. Yes. Because he was there. So then I did like a little video with him and they put it in. And it was it was Ashley Tisdell and her dog next to me and my horse. Wow. Now that is a moment to be proud of.

Yeah. That's really. That's really, I mean, come on. Have the cast of not to harp on high school musical too much, but has the cast of high school musical the original reached out to the new generation at all? Some of them. Because Lucas Grabeel, was featured in it. He was in it. Yeah. He seems like a good sport. He's, he's cool. Yeah. It was, so we, the person that we like really clicked with was Corbin Blue.

I love that. He seems cool, too. But he was also doing press for us. So we had more time to kind of like hang out. And we also got to hang out with him in Disneyland for a little bit. Oh, that's so fun. So it was like a different vibe. You know what I mean? No, I mean, that's such a Bondi vibe. Yeah. So it was like Lucas, Corbyn. We met Monique, We met Monique, Taylor. Yes. And now she and Corbyn Blue are in another movie together. That lifetime movie. Yeah. I love that.

And they're doing like, they're playing a couple. Yeah. Yeah. I love that for them. Which is great. It's like kind of like bringing back that nostalgia. Yeah.

I feel like every, you know, this show has been like a really good start to a lot of people's careers and a really good jumping off point to like, you know, do the next thing you want to do. What's the next thing you want to do? I mean, I don't, I really, I really would love to do like a cool like indie movie, like A-24 or like something like that would be so cool. And then I also really want to. to like write and direct and create my own work and I think you should and I think you should absolutely

incorporate that horse yeah the horse right only the horse and then like one of the things that you know I felt like I wasn't really you know haven't really been able to explore so much in what I've done already is like me just being like queer you know and not and not just like playing a straight character not that I necessarily think that like Big Red has to be straight like can be whoever we want And he's only shown interest so far. Yeah. And so, like, I would love to be able to either write that or portray that in the next, like, thing. And something that's cool about, like, the new generation of kids' shows and stuff, especially, like, you know, when we were watching high school and school series and stuff like that is, like, you'll have a character who is queer, you know, anything.

And they don't bring it up. It just happens. Like, they just, like, you know, go out with somebody who is of the same sex as them. And it's never brought up. It just, like, is what it is. It's so nice that we're finally, like, hitting sort of a place in certain media where it, like, doesn't have to be the issue. It can just be a fact. Yeah.

But that's kind of what I've been sort of grappling with, too. Yeah. Just as playing Big Red, it's like, well, Big Red can be by. Totally. He has a girlfriend that is part of the bisexualist. Sure. And just because he doesn't have a boyfriend doesn't mean that he's not clear. It just means he's currently monogamous.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's like that I think can be brought to every single character. Absolutely. You know. Yeah. Yeah, it's a, it's a great change from when, like, Disney, how Disney was when, like, I was younger, you know?

Yeah. Like, that was never, there was never anything. Yeah. There was, like, the occasional character where you're like, oh, I bet that person's gay. Yeah. Well, like, even, even, um, Ryan was never actually, like, gay. He was just, fabulous. Yeah.

And they also, I feel, like, made his, they kind of gave us hints that maybe his love interest was Kelsey. Yeah. The pianist. Yeah. And which was always so weird to me because I was like, you guys are really playing up the fact that he is probably like very flamboyant. Yeah.

Right. And then they'd be like, but he's, but he's not. But do, do, do you don't worry. Which is like kind of, I don't love that. Yeah. Because it was just very. Why? It was like they put it in a direction and then sort of took it away.

Yeah. It was like a backtracking. Yeah. I'm like, no, no, no. Just kidding. We don't have anyone gay. Like we wouldn't make us. statement about that, you know, being very much like, we're trying not to take a side.

And it's like, oh, my God. That's so funny, which is what I love about the new one. Yeah. But yeah, like, I love that you're getting into writing and directing because we love that. Yeah. That's just like such a thing. I look up to both of you as writers. You are amazing.

We look up to you as a tap dancer. We just can't do it at all. You want a lesson. We'll go. Oh, you know who would actually love a tap dancing lesson from you more than anyone in this entire world is my mom. I will give your mom a tap. My mom took tap lessons for like years when I was in high school and she just broke her ankle

unfortunately. I watched it happen. It was freaking wild. She tripped downstairs and we were all like, oh, you're fine, Gail. And she's like, I think I broke my ankle and we're like, oh, you're fine. That's what happened to me when I broke my leg. Everyone was like, get up and walk it off. I just remembered something that we should probably talk about on this podcast that I matched

with your sister on Hinge. Oh, my God. Shout out. This was months ago. Oh, my God. And nothing ever happened. Well, here's what's so funny and weird. My little brother and Sid's little sister were in the same grade.

They're very good friends. Yeah. When they were freshman in high school, they dated for one week. Yeah. Before Sid's sister was like, oh, actually, I'm, I like. She was more interested in girls at that time. And my brother was like, hell yeah. Now they're just like both really good friends.

But he's a red-haired. too. Wow. Wow. I guess she has the type. Maybe. Maybe, maybe that's her type. I just remember, like, I matched with her and I was like, she looks really familiar. That's so funny. And then she was like, you look familiar. And I was like, why? I love that you vote. And didn't you guys meet once? We met once at your apartment before. Before. Oh, my God. But it was like very brief. It was very brief. It was so brief. And she had frozen yogurt. Oh, my God. That's so funny. That is so funny. You look so familiar.

You look so familiar. And you had met. And then she was like, I'm like Sid's sister. And I was like, who's Sid? And then she was like, Sid, Heller, and I was like, oh, yeah. Okay. That's so bad. I just, it took me like all, everything being spelled out for me to put the pieces together.

Yes. If you see someone in a situation where you don't expect to see that person, you never, it's so hard for me. to recognize. Oh my God. We should have gone on a date. Sorry we didn't go on a date. You know, you're part of the family now.

I know. I could have been your brother-in-law. You could have been. Well, there's still time. Then you would have had a red-headed brother. I have a red-headed brother. I have a red-headed boyfriend. Lots of red-heads.

We'll make them surrounding everybody. We'll surround everyone with them. Just lots of redheads around. Yeah. That is so funny. I literally want now everyone that I like to just marry into my family. Yeah, I think that's such. Well, you've got to have Jillian clone herself then.

Yeah, I got to have Jillian clone herself. own herself and I'll stay alone and I'll just wait for my sister and her clones to marry everyone. Yeah. You don't need anyone if you have all of these extra siblings. Why would I need anyone if I have a bunch of sister clones? If you have a clone siblings, you don't need anything romantic. And if you have a service horse, if you have a service horse, you don't need anything, period. Yeah, yeah. You don't need anything else. Nothing else. He's very cuddly. I love that. How do you cuddle on a bed? Does Jillian know she missed out on a fucking service horse? Yeah. I'm going to let her know. Um, I'm letting her know right now. He does like, so he comes into the house that we didn't like finish telling you so he. Okay. So he,

okay. So there's a backyard pen. Okay. And it's like it's pretty large. It's like maybe like 16 feet by like 16 feet. So it's like pretty big. And he has like a run in kind of like a stable thing out there. He stays out there most of the time. If it's like very cold or if it's really rainy or just like super windy, not good weather, he can come inside and there's like a smaller area in our garage. that he can stay in for short periods of time, not for a long period of time. But then also, like, he is trained to go into the house. So, like, there was one time.

Does he use the toilet? No, he does not. But he does use, like, a litter box. That's 10 out of 10. Like, so he's, like, trained to use, like. How tall is he? Maybe, like, you know, four, like, three and a half, four feet. Three and a half four feet.

That's amazing. Like, not even, no, not even four feet. Four feet is, like, too much. If I'm five foot five. Yeah. He would probably go to like your waist. We need to get one. Yeah, we got to get one. As an intern.

Yeah, that's true. Service horse intern. But he can pick things up. So like if you drop something, like he can like pick it up and give it back. Well, that's all we need is. That's literally the only thing we need. I am so obsessed with your service horse, but I'm also so obsessed with you. Yeah.

I'm obsessed with you and I'm obsessed with you. We love you. We love you. We think you're the absolute best. You're just a gem of our human. do you have anything you want to promote or shout out or any handles or anything at all anything you want anyone watching this to go check out well i need to get better about posting on tictock but you can follow me on ticot at larry sapperstein you can follow me on instagram at larry sapperstein you can follow me on

at larry sapperstein i've been tweeting a lot recently at larry sapperstein on everything so it's time to get over there to those handles yeah get to those young handles you got to get over there yeah i got to do something soon worth promoting well i i believe you should be doing something with the horse. Until next time, I've been Sid this whole time. I've been Olivia this whole time. This has been Larry this whole thing. This whole freaking time.

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