Syd & Olivia Talk Sh*t - Getting Bullied w/ Courtney Miller

Episode Date: September 13, 2022

Smosh's Courtney Miller joins Syd and Olivia this week to willingly go back in time and remember middle school. Hang with us as we talk about puberty, gym class, bullying, embarrassing stories, and how bullying inanimate objects is okay sometimes. Legally, Courtney Miller did not bully Syd and Olivia. Listen here or watch on Youtube! https://www.youtube.com/SydOliviaTube Follow the podcast on social media! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sydandolivia TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sydandoliviatalkshit Twitter: https://twitter.com/sydandolivia ADD US ON: INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/piercedmedia/ TIKTOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@piercedmedia TWITTER: https://twitter.com/piercedmedia Out of Line is a ⁠⁠pierced media production Executive Producer: Shweta Katyal Produced by Ashna Rodjan About Pierced: Pierced is the first creator-led podcast network that’s making podcasts for the girlies. We’re tired of every man on the face of the planet having a podcast and decided it’s time for a new era of podcasting - it’s time to give the girls the mic 🎤 Pierced podcasts features all your fav content creators in a new light. We collaborate with creators to produce podcasts that speak to the complex and unique experiences of the girls and young women of today – the podcasts we wish existed when we were younger. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're not gonna re-edit this in some crazy way. We're not gonna take that out of context and tell people that you bullied us. It's not gonna be clickbait or anything. It's not gonna be clickbait. We're just like for us. Why don't you bully us? Yeah. Courtney Miller,

Gullied us. A wonderful, beautiful guest. Yeah, the absolutely stunning. The one and only. Courtney Miller. Courtney from Smosh. Or just being cool in general. She is a powerhouse.

She's fucking awesome. We are absolutely blessed to have her here. Stop. You're wonderful. Yeah, we love you. Thanks, guys. And so today we're going to be doing some fun games, some fun activities, and we're going to be talking about something that we're all familiar with,

and I'm sure you are too. Middle school. Oh. Welcome to the episode about middle school and bullying. Yeah. They are synonymous. Honestly, they don't exist without one another. Did you guys have the absolute best time in middle school?

Yeah, um, um, absolute best. Courtney, where did you go to middle school? I went to middle school in California in the valley. Olivia, have you ever been bullied? Oh, how could you, how could you guess? Perfect. To start us off, Courtney, would you define like what bullying is? Oh, I was thinking about that on the way here.

I was like, what is bullying by definition? I didn't Google it because I was behind a wheel. No, I think that's really good. You know what? Actually, if you can't define it, I think a better way to learn what it is would be by example. So maybe do you want to bully us? Yeah, you could bully us. Well, that's, I mean, if that's your kink. Here's the thing. It's definitely our kink. It's consensual. We asked for it. Yeah, we're not going to readit this in some crazy way. We're not going to take that out of context and tell people that you bullied us. It's not going to be clickbait or anything. It's not going to be clickbait. We're just like for us. For us and our kink. Why don't you bully us?

Yeah. That was really good. Okay, so Courtney Miller bullied us. I think the term bully, it's kind of like bully like from the 50s. When they're like, oh, that's bully, like, bullshit. And I feel like it's like bullying is like just doing it for no reason, being mean for no reason. Like, what are you your chicken earrings? Yeah. What are you a freaking, are you a little chicken coop?

Yep. And like sometimes it's not even creative like that. Yeah, yeah. It's just meant to bring a, bring a person down. Yeah. Yeah. No other valid reason. Yeah.

Yeah. If you were going to bully me, what would you say? Courtney, if you were going to bully me, what would you say? What's this stupid butterfly tattoo on your arm? What are you, a little, like, tree? Yeah, yeah. That really hurt me. I don't like me.

But the thing is, so I feel like I've been on both ends. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of the bullying spectrum. I've been a bully as well. Yeah. What is, what's an example of a time you've been bullied and a time you've been a bully? Okay, well, a little bit of, like, it's kind of somewhat part of my lore on this rush, right, right, right, but like, I was bullied very hard throughout middle school, like, mostly through email. Oh, wow.

How did that happen? People would send you emails that were digs at you? Yeah. That sucks. And it wasn't even, like, from a fake email. That's how it was back then. Oh, my God. You would just email mean things.

And, like, obviously, MySpace and things like that, but I don't really have MySpace. So you'd get an email from, like, someone in your class saying, like, you'd get an email from, like, someone in your class saying, like, like what, you looked ugly today in fourth period. They loved accused me of stuffing my bra. Like, really loved calling me bra stuffer. Did you stuff your bra? Yes. But like, what's the big deal?

But like, that doesn't warrant an email. I think the girls, because like I legitimately, my boobs started growing in middle school. And they... Good for you. Mine didn't. This girl was so pissed that I came to school on a bra one day. Like, she was so mad.

I think it's because I got one before her. Like, she definitely had boobs, but I think her mom was only giving her, like, the training bra rather than my mom got me real ones like sorry you just have a mom who's more into the classic style of a bra than her mom is exactly and it was like a triple a which when you're an a cup that's like even smaller yeah yeah w a or an a like basically just a triangle of fabric that's like like I was so little she was pissed and like called me a bra stuffed her I think she maybe even maybe even she saw that I was stuffing my bra but like she wouldn't let it go

Did it get spread around the school? Definitely around the girls. I don't know if the guy's new, but that's so. And so you'd get emails being like, hey, bra stuff or you stuff your bra. This is my email. I'm not hiding my email. Stop it. This fly is bullying me.

If you're listening to this podcast at home and not watching it, a fly has been bullying. Bullying. Bullying Olivia, this whole episode. Yeah, it was tough. It's definitely like, they would email and be like, you're a skinny bitch, bra stuffing slut. Oh, shit. They just try and string together just every curse word to sound like they know that they're being, like, you know?

Because at that age you know so many limited curse words that you just have to push them all together and make what you can. And that's a good comeback. I remember one time I had a friend in middle school who didn't like this one teacher that I loved. But she was so mad and she was like, he's just, he's just a bastard. And I will like never forget that. Because I was like, oh, I can think of a thousand words worse than that. But like, she was just very sweet and, like, couldn't think of a worse word than bastard. And she, like, whispered it.

Wow. I knew a girl like that, but she would be like, someone just put him to sleep. Someone should put him to sleep? Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, she's like, I don't know any bad words. So I'm just going to pitch euthanasia. I love that because that's an awesome use for euthanasia.

Like, yes, if somebody is, like, being mean to you, makes you run the mile when you don't want to, euthanasia. Was your bully also your gym coach? Yeah. No. Oh my God. Teacher bullies. I was just thinking that like, you know, in middle school, the people I hated were people

who made me run the mile and then my middle school bully who was like a Disney Channel middle school. Yeah, you have like an enemy. You had like a like a Disney channel level enemy. I had like a Disney channel level enemy. Yeah. Her name was, let's just beep it. Yeah.

Her name was beep. Okay. She, uh, she put a thumbtack on my chair and I sat on it. she shoved a door in my face. She threw me into a trash can. Was she super strong? I guess so. Or maybe I was very weak.

Well, you were very small. You are very small, but you were a small, small child. And so I get that maybe a regular, perhaps, size child could pick you up. There was one day that she hit a door in my friend's face, and I was so upset that I had gum in my mouth and I threw it in her hair. And it lasted in her hair the whole day, and her friends saw it and didn't say anything because she wasn't very, nice to them either. Whoa. And you know what? You know what? I'm going to get deep for a second, but I bet you she wasn't very nice to herself. And I'm sure now she probably is a nice person. No, that's a crazy thing. It's like you grow out of that shit. The amount of garbage you can do or

have done to you and then that person grows up and they're like, oh my God, no, I would never do that as an adult. Yes. But that's, I think, why the internet's so bad is because like when people bully the most, I feel like it's when they're in middle school. Right. Yeah, it's the worst time. The hormones and... Yeah, and nothing good is is there. And then like, So people bully the most when they're in middle school, but now all middle schoolers have access to the internet. And anytime I read it, exactly. And anytime I read a comment, I never picture it coming from a child. I always picture it coming from like a serious adult.

But most likely a lot of people who internet bully are also probably children. And that is why you get hate comments on YouTube. Yeah. Oh yeah. Courtney, do people bully you in the comments, Smosh? Wow, that is like something I usually forget about. I think you're bringing it up. I know, that's such a good point.

I am bullied online. What's the dumbest bullying you've seen online? Josh from Mythical Kitchen, he and I did a video together recently. And like, there was just so many people being like, she is horrifically unfunny. And I was like, I don't think I was trying to be funny. I was just having a good time making sloppy joes. Like, I'm sorry. Wait, yeah, you weren't even, you were just making, that's so weird.

Also, and it's very strange how offended they were. Yeah, that they had to like say something. Horrifically unfunny. Are you okay? Yeah, oh my. Like, why did you take the time? Yeah, you could always just stop watching. Yeah, it's absolutely your choice. Yeah. Now, here's the thing about bullying.

Yeah. People should never be bullied, right? No one should be bullied. But some items should be. Right. Some things that are not people should totally be bullied and they deserve to be taken down a notch. So Olivia and I created a segment called, Bully this bitch.

This bitch, we're going to take out any aggression we might have towards inanimate objects that cannot feel. So who wants to go first? Go quite a little bit. Okay. All right. One of the things I have here to bully is antiques, just like the concept of antiques.

Go ahead, bully in an antique. They're just way too expensive thrift store items. And once again, being old is not good in any other space. So I think they're liars. snaps for bullying antiques. For some reason, they smell bad, but it's forgiven. They smell bad, but they're more expensive. Yeah.

That's not cool. Courtney, something you want to bully today? I mentioned to you guys, I want to bully Dodge Chargers. I feel like they just bring bad news. I feel like whoever drives them. It's just, from my experience, it's just a bad time. I've been cut off by so many. They need to, like, check their ego.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What should they replace the car with? They should get a fiat like me because if you drive a fiat you are a crazy bitch and I respect you Oh yeah so you okay there we go there we go yeah I would like to bully low-rise jeans oh thank you Thank you so much low-rise jeans you were made to slide down and so sh-should one more time Low-rise jeans you were made to slide down and show some butt crack and it's appropriate incorporating plumber culture.

That's really true. So you took a specific angle to bullying there, yeah. How fucking dare you make hot girls like plumber core? Yeah. Ridiculous, stupid, absolutely fuck you. Yeah, that was great bullying. That was beautiful. Okay, this is a really simple one.

This is super straight up. This is, I'm bullying now the war on drugs. And what I have to say is, ha ha, you lost. True. That's so true. I wish middle school bullies would have like people to snap behind them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, I don't because then they do it more. Yeah, never mind. Kitten heels. Okay. Choose. Do you want to be on the ground or not? Or just have a thicker sole of the shoe. It's just confusing. Yeah, I will say, like it's just such a polarizing thing. There are some people who are really against it and really for it. And that's too much for me. It's dividing our country.

And if you walk over a drain, you're going to fall in the drain. You will. And it's just such a quick fall. It's not even like a real heels fall. No, it's not good. It's not worth it. You need drama or not? That's true.

Oh, yeah, I like that. I would like to bully chickens. Also, if you're listening and not watching, my earrings are chickens right now. I also had five chickens that I bought when I was in middle school. You did. Very fun. And rest in peace to those chickens. Rest in peace to all five.

I'm about two. I didn't eat them. I'm just going to like absolutely clarify. They died of natural causes, and Nassid is going to bully the concept of chickens and go. Yeah, not the corpses of... No, not the corpses of life. Just the concept. Yeah.

Chickens. You're telling me, these motherfuckers evolved from dinosaurs only to millions of years later evolve into dino nuggets, pathetic, useless, disappointing. Damn. That's hard. That's hard. That's hard. Disappointing.

That's, yeah, no, absolutely. used to be so big and important and now they're so small and unimportant. I won. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What? I had a terrible day the other day and you know what I want to bully is the pharmaceutical industry. Oh, wow.

I had to drive around all over L.A. just to get a freaking refill on birth control. Oh, my gosh. I felt like that was like not to get, I felt very oppressed. I felt depressed. I was like, this is fucking stupid. I cannot tell you how much I would be actively. bullying the American healthcare system if it was my classmate.

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Wedgies up through the ceiling. I hate that bitch. I cannot tell you. She's so, she's like fickle. Maybe it's not even a she because I've never met a woman who is horrific. Fickle?

I've never met. I would literally swirl the fuck out of Kaiser Permanente. Just drown them. Literally our last, actually last week both Olivia and I couldn't get the same medication we're on. Yeah. From different people too. From different health insurance companies because both of them were like,

sorry, I know. I actually know somebody else who had this similar shit. It's insane. It's crazy. And it's like, it happens so often. It happens like every time I need a refill. And it's like, yeah, fuck you. Fuck you.

Health Insurance. Fuck you, American healthcare system. This isn't even really a bullying, like a clever bully phrase, as much as it is just like I'm exposing someone. So I'm choosing the monopoly man. and I am going to be bullying you for the fact that your real Christian name is Rich Uncle Pennybags. Oh. What the fuck?

I think that's sort of like a like a pussy name. You have uncle in your name? Yeah, that's their middle name. Rich is their first name, uncle and then Pennybags. And Rich is short for Richard, which also has the nickname Dick. Dick. Dick Uncle Pennybags sounds like the worst. Yeah, exactly.

So cancel a monopoly. So cancel it. Cancel that. Cancel name. I'm sorry, I just had an aneurysm. Okay, I'd like to bully the Wells Fargo app. Oh, okay. Wells Fargo app.

Yeah. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why does your facial recognition feature not recognize me when I'm smiling? They're not used to people smiling when it comes to money. I smile. Don't I, I, I love that you're, yeah, like, it doesn't recognize you. do it? I can do it. I can smile and I have done it. Yeah, I can try not to smile. I can do that. It's just so, it's so shitty and it's such mixed messages from men on the street, always being like, huh, come on baby, why don't you smile? And then my Wells Fargo app being like, do not smile?

Well, it depends. Do you want attention from terrifying men on the street or do you want to log into your Wells Fargo app? You have a point there. So you should never smile. No, we never should. I'm almost so pissed. Face ID doesn't recognize me when I'm eating. Like, fuck you. No, yeah. I want to keep chewing. Is Face ID saying women shouldn't eat? Okay, guys, let's bully Face ID. Face ID is canceled.

Saying women shouldn't eat. Let me eat. Face ID, trying to give people eating disorders. You heard it here first. Well, we have a segment we love to do on this show. We do. Called We Have No. Yeah, we do.

Here's the thing about bullying. I think we've all decided, right? Yeah. Is that so much bullying starts in middle school. Right. Yeah. And middle school, if it were like improved a bit, perhaps there would not be so much bullying.

Yeah. Do you think so? Yeah. I think so. I think there's a lot of improvements that could be made that would just make people bully each other less. Yeah, because we tend to turn on each other when we're in a bad environment. Exactly. When you're in a group and you're put in a bad environment, you don't go like, who's putting me

in this? You go like, I'm going to turn on the people who are also being put in a bad environment. It's basically squid game. It's squid game. It's squid game. So if you rewrote the rules of Squid Game, would people kill each other less in the Squid game? Probably. Possibly.

Perhaps. Perhaps. So, here are our notes on middle school. Oh, yeah, okay. Here's my note on middle school. Cancel gym class. It teaches kids to dread exercising and forcing a hormonal child to run and sweat and then send them back to class without a shower is setting them up to be bullied. Oh, so true, bestie.

Why would you do that to someone? So that's one note I have. Because, yeah, I know, like, it's good to get kids to exercise, but as a kid who was, like, pushed way too heavily into exercising, and now I hate it all the time. Even though I still do it, I dread it all the time. Yeah, but now you don't have a positive association with it. Because I always knew it is the thing people were forcing me to do.

Bada boom, but a bin, bing, cancel gym class. Cancell gym class. Also, I had a middle school that offered showers, but, like, they had no stalled doors. So it's like, oh, yeah. How is that? Let's have these little middle school. And, like, when you peek at it,

into the door, the locker room, it's a straight shot to the showers. And, like, nobody ever used them. Never, never. No. Yeah, no. That's, like, absolutely not it. That is literally setting everyone up to accidentally see kids be naked. That sucks.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, what am I going to do? Bring a swimsuit? Then add an extra step of getting out of it and in and out of it. And bring your wet swimsuit to class. Yeah. In a bag.

Or how to be mildewy in your gym locker. Yeah, absolutely. There's no, like, just don't put. kids through that. Asshole design. Yeah, I bully the asshole who designed that. Okay, Courtney, do you have a note? Yes, school dances.

Something's weird about chaperones watching kids get freaky. Like, you know, like, they get, like, they're, like, dancing so hard. And then there's just these tall adults, like, looking around, like, making sure that they're, like, good. Oh, man, but they're, but we know they're not. We know they're, like, grinding. Yeah. So it's like you're here to watch it.

I'd also like to add that, you know, the thing they say is leave room for Jesus. I don't know that we put an adult in between those two kids grinding. Yeah, no, thank you. Let's not let them grind on Jesus. Yeah. What did he do to you guys? Why are you forcing him to get grounded on? Don't bring Jesus into this.

Yeah, don't bring him into your. Yeah. Yeah. My first freak dancing, that's what we called it. Or I don't know if I called it because my older siblings something, but freak dancing. My first experience was butt to butt. And it was an accident at first. I mean, we got real.

Wait, wait, how was it an accident you backed into each other? Yeah, we were like, whoa, whoa. And I was like, oh, I know who that it is. Whoa. And, like, kept dancing and we were like, whoa. And then you guys were both just like. Just kept going. And then we never changed this situation.

Did an adult scare at you the whole time? No. Was it at a bat mitzvah? No, I wish I got more action at Bat Mitzvah. That was my dream. Yeah, that was always the place. Like, oh, I'm gonna drink as many Shirley temples as I can and make out with a boy. Like, that was my dream.

Yeah. Olivia, did you freak dance when as a child? No, I didn't even touch anyone. Like, I didn't hold hands with a boy until I was graduated from high school. Yeah. So I had no freak dancing, although me and my friend group would, like, do, we'd make up our own dances in school dances. Fine. And a lot of them would be, like, funny dances that were kind of centered around us ending our own lives.

And we thought it was, like, amazing because we were all like, ugh, kill me. I hate school. You guys are so 10-15. It's crazy. Yeah, but then teachers would be like, you know, they'd be looking at someone freak dancing and then they'd look over at like all these kids like, you know, pretending to light themselves on fire with kerosene and matches and stuff and like making it into a dance.

That's a specific dance. Yeah, it was. It was. There's whole steps to it. But yeah, they'd be like, can you guys absolutely fucking not do that? And that was the origin of the TikTok dance. Yeah. That moment.

Yeah. It's like trial by trolley, but a group of kids. It's freak dancing, a group of kids playing KYS. Yeah, it's like, which one are you going to tell to not? Sophie's choice. I guess it was me. I was the choice. Yeah.

You were the chosen. I was chosen to be asked to leave. That's horrifying. I was asked to leave a couple of school dances. Were you? Yeah, one time my friend swung me around like a, like, in a crazy way. And it was crazy fun. You're swing dancing.

Like, yeah, like swung me around like off the ground. My feet were off the ground. That's awesome. And a woman was like, you do that one more time. You get the fuck out of here. It was like, it was dangerous. I should have been asked to leave that time. That made sense.

Always good. I have a note for middle school. Yeah. No job interviewer will ever ask me how quickly I ran the mile. Yeah. So true. It's not necessary. It's not something we need to do.

We don't need to time it. Unless you're interviewing to be a professional mile runner. Or literally a PE coach, probably. Yeah. Then it's just the vicious circle of life at that point. I just feel like if you're even a PE coach, like there's so many out-of-shaped PE coaches who could never run a 10-minute mile. For me, the PE coaches were either atrocious or the hottest.

Yes. Yes, there was no in between that. My friend's new husband, my friend, Hallie just got married. Shout out to Hallie and Jason. Shout out to Hallie and Jason. Her new husband, Jason, is a PE coach that all of the young girls have crushes on. Also, people have different leg lengths. So the mile time and the fact that people get more points simply because they can run better

than me. That's true. Not like that. Okay, here's a really overall note about middle school. If we all have the same bad experience somewhere, why don't we fix that? That's a good point. I feel like every single person has had a bad middle school experience. If you haven't, congratulations, I'm absolutely loving that for you.

But why don't we like make it better? Or perhaps get rid of those years. Change anything. Yeah, why don't we all homeschool for those years? Or put the time towards, yeah. Like, what if that's just like self-discovery? We could lengthen elementary school. by a couple grades.

Lengthen high school by a couple grades. And then no one has to have this weird three-year transitioning period where you're like absolutely ruining a life. I actually love it because it's like there's just something about like the jump from elementary school to middle school that is just like I'm basically super cool now. Like it's just like it changes everything. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

That's such a good idea. You should do that. Yeah, you should do that. I'm going to focus on doing that over the next couple years. Great. All right. Thank you guys. Courtney, you got any notes.

Yes. Dissecting thing. dissecting classes. I had some of my first in middle school. Can that be optional? Because... Yeah, that should be optional always. Oh, my God.

It's just like the formaldehyde smells so bad. And I just don't need to... And what if my family weighs me, like, vegan or something? Yeah. Like, I don't want to touch and be inside some body that I don't... What did you dissect? It was frogs. I've never dissected her frogs.

Owl pellets. I've done that. Plus, literally pick through some shit. Yeah. It's not really shit, but it's shit. But it's like regurgitated mouse bone. Yeah. But isn't that crazy how owls don't poop?

They simply do not. They don't at all. That's clean. They regurgitate a pellet instead. So they don't have an anus? I don't know. Well, we're going to look this up later. Some birds, and I thought it was owls, poop and pee at the same time in one glove.

Yeah. If you are watching this or an owl right now, you can absolutely leave in the comments. Yeah, pigeons, hit us up. Yeah, whether or not you believe owls have rectums. Yeah, if you're an owl, comment below if you have a rectum. Yeah. I have a note. Don't make middle schoolers change in front of each other for gym.

We don't need to know which of our classmates have developed yet. And let me tell you, there's no good option. There's no good option. If you develop early, you're screwed. If you develop late, you're screwed. There is no good option. There's no good time. There's no good time.

I got boobs in fourth grade and let me tell you, it absolutely sucked. It was the worst thing. I had a friend like that. It was just people were like, oh, that means you're fat and now we'll hold your arms back and count your stomach rolls. And I was like... Or you're just like treated like so much older. Like you're like it's so weird.

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it was never, I always wished that I did not get boobs. But you know what? I'm waiting for mine to come in. Yeah. Wait, Courtney. When did you get boobs?

Um, they really decided to. to show up like toward the like maybe like junior senior year like before that they were very small I was trying to wear padded everything I wanted I wanted I wanted bazookas like I really and now I'm like I want to be one of those small titty bitches like do you want to trade yeah I would love to please do uh yeah and freaking changing in gym class was what started my entire bullying I'm sure that's story yeah yeah still think about it and I like still followed that girl until like recently that bullied me

throughout all of middle school and through the start of high school Oh my God You still follow her I unfollowed her recently Like upon self-reflection Yeah we don't need it Maybe that's better

Yeah Yeah whatever we don't need it Like she we followed each other Yeah that's nice Okay at least she knows I'm like thriving Yeah everyone's you know Her following you is probably a nice gesture On her part kind of being like oh sorry

I acknowledge you're a person Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I just was like, ah, we don't talk. Yeah, no, but there's no real reason you should follow each other. No. Yeah. Yeah. This is a really good one.

This is a note for middle school. Take all the energy you put into dress-coating kids and put it towards stopping global warming. That is a pitch from me. How about? Always strange when adults decide they need to care a lot about what children wear. Yeah, and like, I've never seen a kid get dress-coded for something that was legitimately bad. No. It's crazy.

Like I remember you have to have like a two inch like that shit was weird when they have specific things like that. And like you had to have your skirt be two inches below your fingertips at the bottom of your legs. And it's like everyone has different length arms. Yeah. And legs. Yes. And also like stop global warming instead. That's so much energy.

Yeah. Yeah. Imagine if you put that energy toward that. My goodness. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So that would be my note.

Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty good. I like to I have a note I'm just upset about this teacher is cussing at the kids to be taken more seriously

like when they drop like an F bomb and everyone's like and it's like that's just what they do to make sure you feel intimidated Oh my god I experienced that so many times I feel like I probably experienced that but I don't remember I don't know just throwing damn it or shit in like in a lesson or what?

No just like if they're lecturing the class this is how you don't Divide, damn it. I would have learned to have much better. That's what I thought you meant. But no, like, listen up, damn it. You guys never listen to me. You always talk over the division lesson.

Oh. I don't know. Yeah, I didn't have a teacher. Them being like, I'm tired of this shit. And everyone's like, oh, I really are. Yeah, let's cut that. Let's absolutely cut that. Oh, yeah, that should have never been allowed.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of, I mean, love teachers, but there's also a lot of people who have, like, tenure who shouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Um, this is like something that I feel like spans across all middle school, uh, experiences, which is why is drawing the pointy super S a right of passage in middle school?

If you don't know what I'm talking about, yes, you do. Yes, you do. Yeah. It's the S you draw. It's like, I did it and it looks really good. Yeah, that looks like the best one I've ever seen. Really? No.

I really am. I was like, maybe she's mad because she doesn't know how to actually draw. No, wait, how do you do it? That's not how you do it? Do you want to give us a lesson? Here, open, open to a page. This is how I was taught. Here, I can use the back of my teacher's cussing.

So you draw, I'm so sorry that I bullied you about how you do you. No, I'm just so upset because I thought it was a right of passage and now I'm realizing, no, it's not, because I guess I don't know how to. You never went to middle school. I guess not. So this is how I was taught. It's one, two, you draw three lines and then three lines. Right. I knew there was a way, I didn't know what it was.

Yeah, and then you, here, I think mine's going to come upside down to you guys, but you. Then you connect and then you do that and that and then you do the points and then do the points. Oh, beautiful. That's not what mine looks like at all. That's beautiful. No. Just a couple steps. I think that looks more like an eight.

Yeah. Yeah. That's part of it. Yeah. Wow. All right. Well, you learn something every day. Exactly.

Okay. rescind my notes. But also maybe it's like house rules, you know, where it's like it's different, different areas. Right, right, right, right. Maybe I just bullied you. It's okay. I don't know how. Yeah.

The thing about it is like, realistically, I feel like, looking back at any of the people who I was like, oh, this person's bullying me. I'm like, oh yeah, they were all probably just like absolutely going through something. And that's like a nice thing to remember. Not because you should forgive anyone who ever does anything wrong to you. I'm Italian and Irish. It's very hard for me to forgive people. But when you're like, oh, wait, it wasn't because they're evil.

It was because like their friend was sick or like they were going to doing with their parents. Or they're raised by a narcissist, things like that that are beyond their control. I did a bullying thing once. Really? Can I hear it? I'm so ashamed of it. Yeah, absolutely. But he absolutely got me.

He got me back. When I was, oh gosh, I must have been in second grade or something. There was a boy who, okay, so first off, I was in like a group of, like, I don't know, I guess I was in like a semi-popular group in elementary school. Well, humble bragg. Well, no, I wasn't cool. Where it's like you're the bottom feeder of the group. I was everyone's sub.

Like I was the bitch. It's like it's an important rate of passage to be like the bitch. Like everyone's, everyone's sub bitch in a popular group. But yeah, I, everyone in that group, including myself, there was this one guy who,

you know, kids weird each other out and then you go, that kid's weird. He weirded me out. So I'm going to say he's the weird kid. Like if he would like touch one of us, we'd be like, oh no,

you and like wipe it on another person. Very mean. But there's a silver lining. Why was he touching you? Yeah, that is another thing. He kind of was a little bit like boundary list towards girls sometimes. There was always those eyes. He would say things about his mom's boobs.

But he was going through, everyone's going through something. Yeah. But he, I was in the main office, like, picked up early by my mom or something like that. My mom was there. I was there. And he came in and he was like, oh my God, hey, how are you? I was like, oh, hey, how are you? And in front of my mom, he goes like, hey,

I was just wondering, why do you always say you and like wipe your, like he called me on it in front of my mom. He was like, why do you do that whenever I, I'm like. And I like froze up and I was like, oh, I guess I thought there was a bug on you or something. Like I fucking panicked. Oh no. And I was so embarrassed and I was so ashamed. But if he hadn't done that, who knew maybe I would have continued to do similar. Like I would have jumped on the bully train later on in life.

and I like literally that stopped me cold and I was like gotcha I've learned my lesson like in the back of my head I was like I will never sometimes that's all it takes is one moment of like awareness realizing yeah and so like I fucking thank him for that and then he's actually harassed me a lot when I was in middle school so it kind of evens out yeah I don't even know if it evens out it evens out we're both great I hope he's doing well Courtney you were a bully at some point too I was so I feel so bad like to this day I like, I'll say her name, we can bleep it out. If you're watching this, I am so sorry and I hope you're thriving. So she was this, there was this girl who was like, I don't know if you guys had people like this in your school where like she wanted to be a Disney actress so bad where like she wore like the fedora and the vest.

Interesting. Yeah, she's a very passionate child. Yeah. Passionate about Disney stardom. Yes. And she would like sing Fergie all the time. And like when I first met her, like, I was just like, cool. being her friend and like for some reason she just like was in a movie always like where she's like can i

walk to class with you and i was like yeah she's like i'm walking to class with a popular girl and like and those things and i was like oh no like oh and so i i think i would do things to like make her feel weird like you know and like there was this game in middle school where if you caught eye contact with someone you didn't like, and then rolled your eyes and looked away, like, you win. And so that would be a competition. If you, like, caught, just like, you win the game. Superiority. Oh, my God.

And, like, so if you, if, like, I was looking, I'd just, like, roll my eyes. That's so funny. And then I'd know, like, oh, no, I lost the game. Yeah, like, oh, no, you're the, you're the little bitch now. Oh, I'm the little bitch now. And I feel so bad because it's like, she just knew who she was, right? Yeah. But, like, she was cringe to everyone else.

Like everyone was so mean to her. I get that from both ends. Like there's always like, I was very, I think I still am very cringe. But it's like I have to understand when other people are like, you're the weird kid, fuck you. Because I'm like, I understand. I understand that's a natural, like a natural pack instinct. Right.

But also, yeah, no, it's just being on both sides makes you kind of just go like, okay, cool, yeah. I really love that she was channeling Disney Channel stardom. Yeah. So hard. And like doing the like Hannah Montana like Fedora with. scarf. With a vest.

Yes. That's very fun. Yeah, I hope she's absolutely killing it. Yeah, because, like, looking back, it's like, that's iconic. Like, if you have photos of that, amazing. Yeah. I was so bland in my fashion. Most of it was hand-me-downs, but it was, like, growing up Mormon.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was basic in every form. And, like, you know, I hope she looks back on those days and doesn't feel the pain, but remembers how awesome she looked and everything. I love that. Like, she can do side-by-side photos with Hannah Montana. You can't do that. No.

I can't do that. No, I can't do that. No, I can't do it. I used to bully a teacher. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, when I was in middle school, there was a teacher. Who was nothing but nice to me? The fall.

He was like a coach, and because he was nice to me and kind of I thought we were like buddies, I was like, oh, I'm going to fucking rip the shit out of this dude. I was just like a small, like skinny child with like no boobs, nothing. Like I was skinny small. Like I looked like I was four. And I was like going up to the kid. this older man and being like, ha ha ha, you're fucking old. What are you even doing here, coach? Ha ha ha. Oh my God. And he would just be like, ha ha, yeah, Sid, okay. Ha ha. Oh my God. And I,

and I, like, would, like, would, like, hug him and he hated it because he didn't, that's not allowed. And, like, he would talk about, like, it's not allowed for, like, kids to touch their teachers and vice versa. Oh, my God. And I was like, let's see if I can do it again. I was such a bitch. And, like, I used to, like, I used to, like, make him watch videos I made of characters. Like, it's not okay. Oh my god, that's so funny. I don't know that's bullying. It sounds like you wanted to be your best friend. It sounded like that classic young child harassing a teacher that they get along with. Yes. I think everyone needs to do. I had one of those. I think it felt like bullying. I think I nugged him a couple times because he was kind of short. Like I was pretty much going for it and

everyone was like, no, don't do that. And he was like, don't do that. Like I don't think he was on my side. Yeah. Once a girl bullied me without knowing that she was bullying me. Oh, who? Um, she was a Christian scientist girl that I... So you're going to say Scientologists? Yeah. She was in... We were in elementary school together and she would tie me up with jump ropes. And she didn't know that was bullying. She didn't know that was bullying. She just kind of didn't get it.

She would tie me up with jump ropes and I at that point was a people pleaser. So I was like, I guess. And so she would tie me up with jump ropes. And the teacher would be like, don't tie Olivia up with the jump ropes. And she'd be like, I'm playing the game though of tie Olivia up with the jump ropes. Oh my God. And then later on she said, unprompted, you're one of my best friends in the world. I would never, like, ever, ever kill you.

Well, that's good to know. So it was great to know. That's so funny because now you say, like, I will kill, like, yeah, I'll kill your enemies. I'm always like, I'll kill your enemies type of person. She was the first person who ever threatened not to kill me. And then she would try to stop me from going to the nurse when I was hurt because she said I could pray the wound away. And that was when I kind of was like, all right, I'm going to start fucking.

with you back. Well, to be fair, did you ever try prank the wound away? Well, I would ask her, she would be like, Jesus is in your heart and I would be like, how does an adult man fit inside my heart? Wouldn't I be dead? Oh. So I was. So maybe you guys bullied each other? I definitely at the end. I mean, during at least the time when she tried to stop me from going to the nurse, I definitely like bit back a little bit because I was just like, this is, might as well have some humor in this. You had some back and forth. Yeah, we had a nice back in for it. Courtney, you have like a fuck ton of siblings, now? Yes. How many do you have? I have six siblings. That's a lot of siblings. So seven kids all together. Seven kids together. I was number five out of seven. Okay. Okay. So on the younger end.

Was there a bullying hierarchy? Oh my God. It is it is like a passing the torch. Like, like once you get old enough. Like mouth in the middle. Yeah. Literally once you get old enough, you move on to your own life and then that, but it totally cascades down. Oh my God. I feel so bad. Like I used to make my little brothers do things like like like jump over that rock. and they'd be like, no. And if you don't, then you're not Superman. And they would be like, fair.

Fine. And I would just, oh, like, I, like, I, uh. I wish that's how people got me to do things. I guess fair. I guess fair. If you don't, you're not Superman. I mean, that's pretty, at least you were giving them the option to be Superman.

One of the craziest moments where I was bullied by my sibling was my mom with an apartment with, like, a patio on the first floor where, like, the gate was low. my sister pushed me into one of those tall laundry baskets, like butt first. So like it was just my leg sticking out and I couldn't move. But she put a blanket over me and left me on the patio for like a long time. And I was just like screaming and hearing people walk by. Oh my God. Like I look back.

It's really funny now. No, but that must have been horrible. Like, yeah. I feel like I have a lot of little moments like that. Yeah. As soon as I tell the story out loud, I'm like, oh, that's trauma, isn't it? Yeah. But that's how funny people get funny.

Yes. You know, some people get traumatized and they don't ever find it funny, and that's absolutely valid as well. But if you are a person who has tried to be a comedy-related person in any way, shape, or form, that's how you get your sense of humor is by laughing at bad things that happen to you. And I think so often after something bad happens, years later you realize, oh, who, that wasn't good. Yeah. Like in high school, like Olivia and I went to high school together.

Courtney actually went to the high school next to our high school. And in high school, like, it would be a thing of like, oh my God, the thing we do, like, our joke is we steal each other's cars. Yeah, you guys used to steal each other's cars. We would steal each other's cars. We had a friend who would, like, put your car in reverse on the freeway. Yeah. And that was like our bit. Yeah. And then years later, you go like, oh, that's bad.

Wow. You're alive? Yeah, I'm alive. Yeah, that's like not a bit at all. No. It's not bullying either. I don't know what it is. You had a friend who tied up another friend and left.

We were doing flyering, you know, how you like put flyers up for like your show that you're in. Yeah. I had a friend Tyler. Sorry, I just totally outed you, Tyler. We had to put up flyers for a school play we were all in. And he took the masking tape that he was going to use to hang up flyers, caught our friend Stephanie, like wrapped her up in masking tape, blindfolded her with it, and like tied her up. She was on the ground and he's just cracking up. He left.

He did. And now we have this video forever of her in high school being like, Tyler, just alone. Oh my God. Covered in masking tape being like, Tyler, you think it's funny and you're going to pretend you're not here anymore. But like seriously, that's exactly what she says. Oh, no. And I still have the video.

And we used to think it was the funniest thing in the world. And now I look at it and I go, oh my God, that's a child. It's like a child covered in masking tape. Yeah, that sounds painful that it was like up on her hair and stuff. It was over her eyes. Was it over her hair? Yes. Pass.

Pass. Yeah. Tyler. Tyler, what are you doing? I mean, he would never do it now. Now he's an adult man. But like, at the time when you're a kid, you're like, it's funny. Listen.

Yeah. Here's the thing about bullying. Yeah. We're not going to do it. No. And look, if you're going for something and you have a bunch of anger and you are feeling the instinct to take it out on other people. Just give yourself a second.

Think it through. Take a deep breath. Do something creative instead. Hate an inanimate object. Hate something that doesn't have feelings. Get all your feelings out. And then treat people nice because you never know what someone's going through. And if someone bullies you, I'm sorry.

I just torch their fucking car. Put it in reverse on the treeway. Yeah, put their car on. Don't do that. You heard it here first from Courtney Miller. Yeah. You can quote me. I feel like people who like have to feel like hate toward other people.

I saw this the other day where it's people are going to hate you, but it's probably because they don't understand you or they don't understand themselves. Yeah, that's fair. That's very good. That's really good. Yeah. Yeah. And I think like any sort of cyber bullying or online bullying or writing a hate comment.

Yeah. Just turn your camera. Let's off or our phone's off. Turn your computer off. Turn your phone off. Just turn your phone in the garbage. And let's all run. away. Yeah. Go listen to Fiona Apple on your iPod Nano. Just like I did when I was upset.

Go go scooter around the neighborhood and pretend you're running away like I used to do. Go take your silly bands and hide them around in the plants in your mom's house like I used to do. And anyway, that's our episode about bullying in middle school. Courtney, do you have anything you want to pitch anything you want to promote anything at all? I'm going to pitch us hanging out. Okay, I absolutely love that. So that's great. And Courtney, what are your handles so everybody can find you? I'm at Comel C-O-U-U-L-M-I-L on everything. On everything in the whole world.

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We could really use the views. That's it. Thank you guys so much for watching. Courtney, thank you for being here. This has been absolutely lovely, as always. at Sid and Olivia on everything. This has been Sid and Olivia Talk Shit, the podcast. And as we've just learned, we can say at the end of this.

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