Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Bill Nighy

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

We have star of stage and screen, acting legend and national treasure Bill Nighy joining us on the podcast this week! Fresh from creating his brand new podcast ‘ill advised by Bill Nighy’ - where he is an agony uncle - we sat down with Bill for lunch. Mum even made his favourite dish - pasta puttanesca. We found out that Bill was a Mod in his youth, how he feels about the success of Love Actually, the time he scammed tourists on the streets of Paris, why he prefers to eat meals alone and how he must add as much spice as possible to every meal he eats! What a total delight to have a meal with Bill, we could have chatted for hours and hours. Bill’s fabulous podcast ‘ill advised by Bill Nighy' is available to listen to everywhere now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Tablemanors. I'm here at Lenny's. How are you, mum? Very well. Did you have a nice weekend? Lovely, you were there, darling. Yes, thank you. You did a very nice egg salad. Oh, I've still got a bit in the fridge. I had a really busy weekend. I went to Gladiators Live. Fabulous.

And then I went to see my friend, Dev Hines, performer Ali Pallet. How was that? And a previous guest on the podcast, lovely Naomi Scott, supported him, and it was really brilliant. She's sung amazingly. Is she now a pop star? Yeah. A whole new world. She can just do whatever she wants, basically.

It was great and Dev was absolutely fantastic. But something happened at the gig. What happened? Which was quite a revelation for me. It was gunshots like the time you went to see that. No, it was a blood orange gig. Mum, it was very head noddy, pitchforky, very respectful. A girl came up to me and said,

Excuse me, do you do that podcast? And I said, yes, I do. And she said, are you Lenny where? So I now look in my 40s. And I now look like I'm in my 70s. Or the fact that I was at a music gig. And I'm that girl, Lenny, off the podcast. I don't know whether I should bother bringing out the next record.

Maybe not, darling. Hysterical. And producer Alice falls with me. And the way everyone, all my friends around me cackled. Of course they did, darling. So yeah. You're big in the Gen Z museo world, Lenny. Okay, darling.

That's great. Do you want me to be on your video instead of you? Yeah, maybe. Maybe that's what we need to do. It's just too confusing though. Do that. What's that thing with Tom Hanks where he becomes younger again? Big. Because we look a bit alike. Maybe you should play me older and I'll play you younger. Maybe you should just calm down. Okay. Anyway, today you are in charge of the food.

Yeah. We have the excellent Bill Nye coming on. Can't wait. He has a new podcast called Illadvised by Bill Nye And it's basically him being an agony uncle To try and help people through life with all their queries and questions It can be, you know, what would you bring as a present for a host for a dinner party? Did you know the greatest air guitar piece was Bradley Cooper?

Well, now I do. I know. I also really appreciated his air guitar. Me too. on a podcast. That was excellent. That was excellent. Thank you. And he played it twice. Yes, he did. So, yeah, we have Bill Nye coming on and we're really excited about having him.

I am. Quite precise about food. Well, no, I think we're lucky because producer Alice also produces Bill's podcast. But he likes what he likes. So Alice has been very helpful and so we got kind of a request in. So what is on the menu today? Pastor Poutineska. Because this is what Bill likes.

Bill loves it. probably not as much chili as he would have liked. Have you put any in? Yeah. Are you okay with him adding chili? I've got me chili flakes here, but I have made some padron peppers as well. Right.

That he can just pick and eat just in case he needs a little bit of pepper. You know, Padron peppers aren't that spicy. No, I know, but he'll just have to put up with it. It was the thought that counts. Yes. And then you've got a big cheeseboard for after. Yeah.

Lovely. Yeah. I'm very excited. because he's a massive Marmite fan. I think he would almost say that he's more of a Marmite fan than me, which I think is... No, I think that's ridiculous. But he loves it.

We've got lots to talk about with Bill Nye. Bill Nye coming up on table members. Bill, thank you for being here. My pleasure. Looking fantastic, may we add. Your own collection? If you'd have told me when I was 17 that I would grow up and I would collaborate with John Smedley on a collection of their leisure wear, I would have arranged to be more cheerful in my early life. And I wore John Smedley polos, which were an essential mod item when I was a young man.

I used to save up from, because they were out of my range. And I wore them in frontline defiance of the silk shirt open to the third button, which was never going to happen because I didn't have the shape for that. and also the tie-dye t-shirt doused in petulia oil and we were pioneers young mods and if I do nothing else with my life they will always be this and the groovy thing the other groovy thing a word groovy

which I never used when it was groovy to use it because it was always sounded so lame but now it's drenched in irony through time so I'm allowed to use it in a postmodern ironic way what's also groovy about it is that they asked me if I doodled anything and I doodle little birds on my scripts and I've done it for a thousand years

and it's the only thing, I can't draw. The only thing I do is cartoon-like birds on my scripts and if I get a really good one where I think I've really nailed it, I photograph it now because I have a phone. And they put it on it. So they embroidered it. Oh my gosh.

In fact, this is a prototype. There's one, there's where it is. Oh, I love these birds. Yeah, they're little birds. That one, they gave them... Like a robin red breast, maybe? Search me. I really don't know.

They come in different shapes and sizes. They've named them now. One's called George and one's called Peter. There's two different ones. But the great thing about it is that I also, I asked them, where were the Long Johns? Because they used to do Long Johns, John's Medley. John's Medley was a hosier in 1760 or something.

And he made underwear. But they used to do thermals top and bottom, and they'd stop doing them. So when I got around to collaborating with them, I said, can we not do some thermals? So now there are people, there will be people walking around wearing longons with my doodle on their bum.

And you love that. That tickles you. Well, it just, you know. Did they approach you? They approached us, yeah, they did. Because they knew about your love of John Smedley? Yeah, I've been, I've made no secret of my dedication to the brand over the years. The colour's fab.

Well, this colour, yeah. Navy is gorgeous. Is that a John Smedley suit? No, no, they don't make suits. Okay, shall be next. Next. Well, I've always wanted to do anything. Here I am, reaching out for sponsorship.

I've always wanted to collaborate with Marks and Spencers. Oh, don't we all? Oh, shush. Bill, we should all be in that Christmas campaign. Are you already in it? I'm not in it. I think that looks Paul Smith. No, this is actually...

Don't tell me that's M&S. No, no. That would have sealed the deal, mate. Well, no, what made me think of it in the first place was that a thousand years ago, Paul Smith did a range of suits for Marks and Spencer. Yeah, you see. And you could buy the shape, and they were in two colors, and you could buy the Paul Smith silhouette for like 120 quid, you know,

which I thought was a very satisfying thing. And I've always loved the idea of mass-produced stuff. You know what I mean? Like, it's like I remember reading that Andy Warhol, used to go to Bloomingdale's every new year and buy a hundred pairs of classic white jockey underpants. Why, did he not wash them? He just threw them away.

I guess so, yeah. I didn't get, I'm not that, you know what I mean? But that's a very good thought. I think that's almost certainly the case. So he had 100. clean days but he used to get them to take out all the psychedelic ones

and all the sort of candy strike ones and he knew he wasn't going to buy them but you just have them bring them out and then he'd buy. I just like bulk buying and when I didn't have any money and I used to hear about people who bought six shirts

it was so like kind of out you know what I mean it was so sort of glamorous that you went in if you really liked a shirt you bought it six times which seemed to be so... I do that a bit

if I find something that fits me and I quite like I'd like in every colour And then I'll buy two in the same colour in case one wears out and goes a bit funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, why not? So who's that suit by? This suit is by P. Johnson, who are in Percy Street. P. Johnson are a bunch of very inspired young Australian men.

And they've got an algorithm. Don't ask me to explain it because I don't understand. But they take measurements, mysterious measurements that I've never had taken before. And they also interpret what you want rather than trying to tell you what you want, which is vital because there are places where they try and impose a kind of house style which I think is wrong. First time anybody ever said, you know, I mean, the thing is when the ironic, I keep using that word and I'm not sure if it's correct.

But, you know, the thing is when you make some money, they call you up and say, you know, has Mr. and I got everything he needs? In other words, they're going to give you stuff. Why didn't they do that when I didn't have any money? Anyway, you know, it's obvious. But the first time anybody made me a suit, I was specifying what I wanted. and I wanted a single vent in the jacket because I've never been able to rationalise

why anybody will want to slash a jacket twice up the back unless you're involved in horse riding or something of that kind and I want a single pleat at the front on the trouser and he said you can't have that I said what you mean I can't have it I said who would we be offending he said you'd be offending the great god Sartorius

I said I don't believe in God he said will you be offending me I said well you know you're not going to be around when I'm wearing it anyway he now happened How many vents have you got Only one. He gets what he wants. Yeah, of course.

Do most men only wear one vented? No, they've now become, you know, everybody's got two vents. And would you ever wear double-breasted? I have worn a double-breasted, but they're kind of risky double-breasted. I mean, they're hard, well, they're hard to construct. And they've got to be, I did, once I spent all the money I had when I didn't have much money. On an Armani, dark blue, double-breasted suit with wide trousers. It was, I wore it, I lived in it.

I slept in it. I kind of, you know, I did everything in it. Because when I was younger, I used to do jobs, which would be like a suit job. You'd get a suit job on the telly or something. And you wouldn't have much money, but they would let you buy the suit afterwards after the gig for like half price or a third of the price. And sometimes it was worth doing it. It was absolutely worth doing it.

So I wouldn't have any clothes, but I would have an Eve Saint-Laure suit. But it would become like my overalls and I would do everything in it. Yeah. Do you wear a suit every day? No, I don't. Well, that was my ambition, because I used to have a mayor mine called John Brown, who used to work at Dun & Co. You might remember Dun & Co. They were a kind of high street all over the country. Well, they were what, yeah, they were what your dad wore. But we as young, ironic, would be mods. We would, we'd go there and buy pleated trousers, which were like social death in 1971 or whatever. You know what I mean? Did you have a long raincoat as well? I would, I did have a long raincoat. And you'd have a crombie and you'd have a crombie. And you'd have a You were not a mod, ma'am. Please give me strength. I went to the twisted wheel in Manchester, which was the...

You heard of it. Say it again? The twisted wheel. Oh yeah, I have heard of the twisted wheel. And it was the best clubbing and you... Sorry, Mum, you were wearing a little polo shirt. No, I didn't wear a polo shirt, but you wore a long... You had your hair done V-Dal Sassoon.

You had a long thing over your face. It was half cut up there. Is that just Manchester? And you had a V in the back of your head. Yeah. And then you had a long range. coat, which you wore almost inside as well. And you wore kind of quite, I was a lot, Jeff.

Mum, you really? I didn't have a scooter. Did you have a scooter? No, I'm not a scooter kind of, no. I didn't think you were. That's not the thing. Have you ever, I mean, we're not, I don't know, yeah, put the food on because Bill's hungry. Yeah.

And I should ask you some food questions. Sure. But I've also got, because I've been listening to your podcast, which is brilliant. Thank you. And you have these like dulcet tones. You're very relaxing. It's quite reassuring. You also give good advice, I think. It's basically the premise of visit, well, you can, why don't you explain the premise of your podcast? If people don't know, you're in your first season.

Well, the thing I like best about it is that it's an invitation to squander time. It's like a cup of tea with me, and we try to be inconsequential. The premise was something to do with the fact that when you get to my age, the risk is that you are mistaken for somebody who knows what to do. you know, that you've gathered all this wisdom in your time, which you've only got to look at the newspaper or on the internet to see how that's working out in the world, you know, while these old men go around making a mess of everything. And members of the public ask questions.

Yeah, and let's talk about the fact that it's members of the public, and you've got people from Mongolia, calling in, Italy. I mean, you're very international, Bill. Yeah, yeah, no, it's quite... I didn't imagine that anyone was going to be much listening to it. But anyway, yeah, we are. we spread the planet wide and people have got concerns about trousers and stuff like that and they need to know they need information i'm quite good on trousers i'm not so good on you know what to do

with my girlfriend i got one question from a woman in australia i think who said that i think my husband thinks i love my houseplants more than i love him like i'm going to know the answer to that so did you not answer that one i can't remember the either the bad thing or the good thing i think it's probably the good thing about the whole thing is that i can never remember what I've said. People come up to me in the street and say, well, you know, I don't feel like that about whatever. And I think, what, why are you telling me that? And it's because I've said something, because my mind goes blank once we've recorded. Do you feel like if somebody asked you the same question on another day, you'd give them a completely different answer?

No. Or does your opinion on linen remains? Oh, no, that's forever. I mean, I think it's as plain as the, you know, I mean, how can anyone not know that? I mean, linen's okay for women. I think, just, if they insist. I love Lynette. Well, there you go. That's good. You do look at Hampstead therapist. But maybe I want to look Hampstead therapist.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong. I don't, that's very good. No, they do. They all look like they're working at the tapestop. Well, I like librarian chic. Well, what's that? Well, that's basically a form of mod. Little twin sets.

Yeah, ironic twin set. There was a sub-genre of mine. Bill, you've used the word ironic. A lot, haven't you? A lot. I know. It's your podcast, I've on it. My podcast is dead without irony.

If they don't get the joke, I'm lost. The idea is that, you know, it's a joke to think that I can answer anybody's question. But as long as I don't start using the word iconic, then we're... Rather than ironic. Or instead of, yeah. Then we're, then we can... But you are a fashionista, aren't you? Well, does that mean I'm like, that's very close to fashion.

You're stylish. You look gorgeous. Well, that's very nice to you say. You walk in and there's a presence there. You look like a stylish man. Well, thank you very much for saying so. I mean, partly it's basic insecurity. I've never liked anything about myself very much. I've never had great. I've always been kind of disappointed in my body.

And I've always kind of, you know, I've never, I mean, it's all right. Now I look back. And if ever I catch a sight, which I try not to, of an image of me when I was younger, I was thinking, well, what's wrong? You were all right? But at the time, I know, I feel the same. So I thought, well, at my age, the responsibility is to be reasonably well turned out because otherwise, you know, what's happening. But, and therefore, you know, if I put a suit on, it's always going to be a better shape than I am.

That's the idea. It's basically what you pay for when you buy clothes. It's like with couture dresses for women, they bring you a figure. You know, and men used to have big shoulders and, you know, and they have tight waist. Like Madman. I guess so. I've never seen Madman. But we're like, you know, the guy, Roger.

You would have been good at that. Yeah, you would have been. Yeah, what happened there? Very stylish. What happened there? I could have worn all those. And they might have let me keep the clothes. Keep the clothes.

And in fact, sometimes I get it in my contract now. Oh, you put. If it's a contemporary thing, yeah, I get to keep clothes. I want an Omani suit and I'm keeping it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, play. What's your next project and what are you wearing?

My next project, I don't know what I'm wearing. I'm doing a film called a town in Nova Scotia, and it's shot in Liverpool. I'm playing an Irish. who has a non-romantic but deep friendship with a Moroccan man who's disabled in a high-rise in Liverpool and my character gets obsessed with Grenfell and he's worried about his friend. It's actually, it sounds, you know, an unhappy film. It's actually quite funny. Who's directing it? The man who's directing it is an Iranian director called Babak Jalila.

And I think, you know, it's a good thing. I've just spent three months in a caravan in 1975. dressed like my dad I sent a picture of myself you know those little woolen waistcoats with buttons you'd wear it under a suit you know my dad always used for them

a shirt and tie and I sent I was wearing one and pleated big double pleated trousers and I sent a picture to my sister and she went oh my god she thought it was you know I didn't put a caption so she thought it was dad I think because I looked so much like my dad

can we talk about where you grew up who was around the dinner table and what is a very memorable dish from your childhood? Well, I grew up in Ketram, C-A-R-H-A-N. Not very far. Where is that? Sorry. Yeah.

Down from Croydon. And my dad came from Croydon and they moved out to Caterham to have a family. And I grew up with my brother Martin and my sister Anna, but I'm the youngest. And around the dinner table would have been my dad and my mum and my sister for quite a long time. But they left home, both my brother and my sister, they left home. And I was there just the three of us for quite a long time. My grandmother, when she was alive, did all the cooking because my mom went out to work and my dad went out to work, obviously.

And therefore, my grandmother kind of cooked for me. And she was Irish. And she cooked basically the same thing every day of the week. And you'd have fish and chips on Friday because I was brought up a Catholic. and we'd have sausage with onion gravy and probably mashed potato which I can't do now because I'm squeamish about the gravy mixing up with the mash.

You have talked about that you were in charge of your gravy at? On Sunday my two jobs were the gravy and the custard. And there was nothing wrong with my custard. There was nothing wrong with my gravy. And a bit of marmite goes a long way. It goes... Not in the custard. I think I love Marmite as much as you.

Oh, wow. And I know you may not be able to believe that. No, I'm prepared to, you know, suspend my disbelief. Bill went to the same school as my hairdresser's son goes to. John Fisher. Yeah, I did. I do. Hold on.

It's a huge Catholic. Right. The dress's son goes to John Fisher's school. Your hairdress's son. Okay, got it. Right. Now. Yeah.

Goes to the same school as Bill. Did you used to go to the pearly orchid? Did I know I was a bit I missed the pearly orchid Well the pearly orchid was a ballroom And it was near me I did go there occasionally But I was a bit young for it

And it was claimed to be the largest dance floor in Europe Oh Whether that's true or not Can I ask you, I interrupted you You were talking about You're squeamish about mash and gravy Yeah I was that difficult kid I used to have the beans on the side

And the toast on the other side Because if the butter and the butter and the juice from the tomato juice of the beans got together, it disqualified me. But hang on you like your favourite thing is Marmite on toast with beans? I got over it.

I got over it. I got over it. But you have to make, somebody told me, just last week somebody told me, I thought, why didn't say, it was my nephew, I think,

who said that he lets, because the whole thing is that the bread's got to be crispy under the beans. It can't go that word that's on the band list, which begins with S and ends with Y,

and has an O and two, G's in it. Soggy? Yeah, you had to say it, didn't you? Sorry. Do you prefer soggy to moist? Neither, yeah. No, I prefer moist.

I prefer moist to soggy. I can't believe we're having this kind of thing. No, but he said he used to let a toast go cold because it would be crisper and harder, yeah. Okay. That's quite good intel, but I like, I guess, and the beans are going to kind of warm it back up. Well, yeah, exactly. As long as you've got really hot beans. Have you tried this out yet?

I haven't, no. Because I've sort of given up. I don't eat at home anymore. So you eat out all the time? I eat out all the time. I go to the cafe breakfast. I sometimes have lunch. I'm not very good at lunch.

And I have dinner always out with a book. Yes. So what are you reading at the moment? At the moment, I am reading a book that was sent to me by Bernard Jacobson of the Bernard Jacobson Gallery about Georges Brock. It's a very good book, and I'm really excited about reading. A lot of it I don't understand, but there's something about reading about painting that it just eases my mind. Books I've read most recently are the new collection of essays and articles by Zadie Smith.

I'm a big fan of Zadie, and I read that. And my book of the year, or last year, was The Trees by Percival Everett, and I read Miranda July's book, All Fours. What did you think of All Fors? I loved All Fors. In fact, I recorded it in voice memo for a friend of mine. Which recorded what? The whole of the book. I do this thing sometimes.

I do this thing sometimes where I... Not an audible, you just did this for your mate. Just for a friend. It started because a friend of mine got ill and he was in bed and he couldn't do anything and he couldn't really read either because he was very ill. And I couldn't think of... And he was in Los Angeles.

so I couldn't visit or anything and I just thought what can you do what could I do and so I said you want to hear a book you know and so I used to

I read him play it as it lays by Joan Didion which is a fabulous book and I read it every morning I would do like 10 minutes on a voice memo and ping it over and there are

124 voice memos and there's the book and I did it with another person who was not in good shape and I did Virginia Wolf night and day so night and day

I've got it all on my, you know, it's all on my phone. And I did all fours, which was quite, you know, there was, there was, there was, and I did say to the people, that I only sent it to about three people, and I said, don't let this out of the loop, because, you know, there are scenes in it where, you know, a man like me reading those particular scenes is kind of, you know, it might. I'd really love to get that voice memo of, um, well, you can have that. I'd love to get that, that particular voice memo.

Wow. Wow. Orichetti. Well, we heard you like Putanesca. Thank you. I do. You don't like to call it Putineska, though. Well, I do know, I mean, I don't mind privately calling it Petitschranesca. But I just wonder about in public domain.

Respectfully, everyone. So we've, mum, I've done nothing. Mum has made you Putineska. It looks absolutely fantastic and I'm not lying or kidding. We can put some chili flakes to it on the side. I want as many. I just put them in it. not great with heat. Oh no, that's fine. So I'm going to like you. Do you want some hot sauce?

Yeah, hot sauce. You really like hot. So as somebody that, you know, I feel like gives advice, have you ever been told off for adding too much hot sauce like an offending that this is not say you're offending us by the way? Or is it too hot? Mom, I'm fine. I feel like you've got like numb taste buds and tongue by this point. If you. I don't really know. There's some grated Pomazana you can grate your own. Thank you.

I've always had a tolerance for spice. In the old days when they used to have, they don't seem to have it anymore. When you went to an Indian restaurant, they'd have Vindaloo. They'd have Madrasse, Vindaloo and FAL, P-H-A-L. And I would always go for the farl. And that's when the waiters start sort of hovering around

just to have a laugh. They think that you're going to implode or something. Were you doing it because you wanted to test yourself? No, I just wanted, I was drawn. Do you want a bowl for some salad in case you want some? Yeah, thank you very much. I haven't dressed the salad because I don't know. I was drawn to the heat.

I didn't even think about it. It was just like, I mean, I don't think I gave it much thought. I just wanted the heat. And I've always had it. It was only a couple of times when anything's been. Delicious, ma'am, thanks. When anything's too hot. I'm just going to have a taste of this because it looks absolutely.

Absolutely perfect. Any good? Oh, many. Is there? Really, really, really. I think that's going to be too spicy for you. Probably. And did you see how much hot saucer you just put on?

I think you should do hot ones. Have you heard about that? No. Oh, no. The chicken wings. I think you could get to DeBong. It's like a spice challenge. Where they?

See, she's got like, look, and did you not see what he put on? It's spicy. Oh, bless you. Shit. Would you never do it? No. Why? Well, because they might find something

who make my eyes water. Oh, but maybe they wouldn't because you seem to be fine. Well, yeah, but I mean, there's a couple of times. I used to go to a Thai restaurant in the archway and I go there all the time and they know that I want it as spicy as it can possibly be. But I never, ever was able just to leave it alone.

Each time, even though I went there once a week, I'd have to say, as they were walking away, I'd say, yeah, but can it, can it, can it, be really, you know, and she'd have a hand on the door of the kitchen. I'd say, can it be like, she'd like, she'd be like, yeah, like she didn't know, you know. But then one time in the Indian restaurant in Notting Hill, they came over with a special chili and they showed it to me and they said, this is really, really hot. Yeah. And I said, well, that's fine, you know, put it on a thing. And they said, well, you've got to be really, I was like, yeah,

right, really. And then it nearly blew my ears off. And I had to fake it and sit there and pretend that it was completely, I was completely relaxed. So you didn't ask for yoghurt or, or milk? No, I didn't dare because it would have spoiled my, you know, my image. So you eat out three times a day. Well, you eat out as much as... Twice a day. Okay, twice.

Always twice a day, sometimes three times. Okay, so you start in the calf. Is it always the same calf? Mm-hmm. And I have, my average breakfast currently is two poached eggs on Marmite toast. obviously with a bit of avocado on the quiet with olive oil and pepper why avocado on the quiet

I mean it's it's me attempting to be amusing by not saying on the side but saying on the quiet okay got it sorry it's just a little thing I do sometimes to make me more attractive but you busted me so there you go but I um no I and then I have a banana

because the doctor told me I should eat two bananas a day I don't know It was like one of those things Potassium I guess He did say two I never managed to Pardon? Do you like bananas?

I do like bananas I do like bananas I'm not Thank God Yeah quite Do you like them ripe or firm I like them firm lemony There's a peak moment

Isn't that With a banana Which you very rarely You know manage to hit them out How do you have your coffee I don't have coffee in the morning anymore

I have tea I have two cups of Yorkshire tea reaching up for sponsorship and I have it very, very, very, very strong. As strong as I can, I do take the tea bag out. I have it made in the cup with a tea bag. I don't want a pot because it's a waste of time.

I want it straight to the cup. And I leave it in quite a long time and I mash it and mash it and mash it until every drop of caffeine is released into the liquid. And then I hit it with the tiniest drop of milk. And I have one of those in the morning before I leave the house. and then I have another one after my breakfast in the cafe.

And if I had any sense, that would be the end of my caffeine day. But I don't have any sense. And it depends on if I'm working. I have had a history of coffee abuse. And I used to drink massive amounts of espresso and drink incredible amounts of Coca-Cola and smoke ridiculous and deeply regretted amounts of cigarettes. but I'm over that now. Yeah, you're sugar-free now, huh?

Mm, I am. How long have you been sugar-free? If I had my phone, I can tell you, 1,350 days. Are you monitoring, you've got an app where? I have a, no, I have a, my friend Mick Jones and I discovered that we had the same relationship with sugar. So, and I used to fall off wagons.

I'd get quite a long time, but it would always turn out to be a wagon, and wagons are for one thing only, which is falling off. then I would binge. The last time I seriously fell off a wagon, I went to the sweet shop. I'm like an eight-year-old with a credit card. I went to the sweet shop

and I bought a sack of chocolate and other sweets. And I bought two of everything. And it was a carrier bag full of, you know, stuff. And I was walking home through my area and I thought, if I meet anyone that I know, it's possible. I might say what's in the bag. And I would have to say,

I'm visiting an orphanage tomorrow. And I've brought something for the children because there would be no other way of explaining how a man of my age was walking around with a sack full of high street chocolate. Did you, how much did you do of the sack? I crossed a line because I went home and I did something I'd never done before. Yeah. Which turned out to be a good thing was that I went to bed with the sack

and I got the whole of the chocolate out on the cover, the bed cover. and then I went to Mars and looked back down and saw this man in very late middle age I was younger then with a bed covered in high street chocolate and I saw myself so I put it all back in the bag and I put the bag in the rubbish

and I didn't go back to take it out of the rubbish so you can tell that this is my relationship with sugar right but then Mick and I had been texting each other but, you know, just day one, two, three, four, five. And then you meet people and you tell them about it. And they go, well, I'm the same. Or can my girlfriend come and can my mother, my sister's like, you know,

so now there are 60 people registered. This is all, what's that? We're called the Sugar Free Pioneers. My friend has recently joined. Oh, really? Jack. Oh, yes, which Jack is on. Yeah, yeah.

And we post every day. And there's about 27 people that post every morning with their day count. So back to a day in the life. of Bill and eating. So you're going to start. Marmite's going to be there. Poached eggs at the moment. The two bananas.

Where are you going for lunch? If I went to lunch in my area, I might go to Caccio Pepe in Churton Street where Wafay and Samir, who are brothers and sisters who run the restaurant, would sort me out with their perennial, exquisite fish soup. And I might accompany that.

with a bit of barata and tomatoes and having it at the same time. Where are you getting your chili from at that meal? Oh, they have a special bottle. For you? Well, I like to think it's for me. I'm not sure. I can't guarantee it's for me,

but I think it's for me. And it's chili oil, which they make on the premises. That goes all over my everything. It goes in the soup. It makes the soup much more interesting. I mean, I'm not big on lunch, really. It's not, I don't have a lot of lunches.

Unless I'm working, if I'm working, then it's, you know, it'll be, I always have the same thing, which is I have mozzarella and cherry tomatoes in my trailer at work. But I always have, if they've got chips on that day, I'll have chips with it. Or if they've got any kind of potato. I don't really like mozzarella. Do you do not? It doesn't taste of anything. I know it's.

Yeah, but it's kind of, no, I don't find, it's kind of rubbery and taste. And barata makes me feel faint when you can't into it, and it just oozes out. Well, then you shouldn't go out for lunch with you. I'm not going out for lunch with you, Bill. Okay. And then sorry. We'll have dinner. We'll have dinner. Where are you going for dinner? I rotate several restaurants. I go to Tozi, T-O-Z-I. I go to Vasco and Piero's Pavilion at number 11, Darblay Street, which I've been going to for years.

and years and years. I just got lucky once and wandered in off the street. And it's an exemplary restaurant. And it's not a scene. It's quiet. And I can read. But the food is terrific. And that's one of my favorite restaurants in London. I used to go to all of Jeremy King and Christopher Corbyn's restaurants. Because why wouldn't you? So have you stopped going to the Woolsey then? Do you go to Arlington? Well, I did stop going to the Woolsey because I thought I was doing that out of respect for Jeremy and Christopher. But in fact, I got a kind of wayward three tear down message saying do continue to go to the Walsy because for the staff, you know, and all of that.

So I do go to the Walsy. I love the Walsy. And I go to Shikis. Never been. I went to Shikis two weeks ago. Did you? Yeah. Who was?

My friends, my colleagues. Oh. It was her face. I had skate. I love skate. My mum used to like skate. Do you always go out on your own? You're on your own a lot.

Well, I am on my own. I don't, and I like that. Do you so you can read? I'm unattached and I don't cook. I do have now a small dualit, reaching out for sponsorship, a dualit kind of oven, a little oven thing. Yeah. Which I was persuaded to her.

The first time I had a flat properly of my own and I was, and the builders were taking out the old gas cooker because I said, see, it looked terrible. And they said, when's the new one coming? I said, I was deciding how to live, you know. I said, well, they're not going to be a new one. It's like Carrie Bradshaw. Yeah.

Why would I have a new one? I mean, you're kind of like a New Yorker. Yeah. Is that what it is it? Yeah, they just eat out all the time, don't they? They never eat in. Well, then yes, I am, yeah. Do you order in, Satan's stay in?

No, I never order in. I don't believe in. I can't relax around takeaway food. I just doesn't. By the time it gets to me, I think it's over. you know what the anticipation and the kind of no just the packaging it's the packaging and the fact that i don't know it's been on a bike you know what i mean you've got to get rid of stuff yeah i did do it i mean i didn't like everyone during covid i did quite a lot but i never enjoyed it i don't get a bang

out of it at all i like i like to go out and a lot of it is to do with the book because it's reading time and I read at breakfast and I read at lunch if I have it and I read at dinner those are my big reading times I mean I'm not always on my own I have dinner with friends sometimes I have got friends you know but I have no problem I once was making a film with Richard Curtis and at the end of a working day he said where are you going I said I'm going for dinner he said oh where are you going I said I'm going to a Thai restaurant in the archway you said who are you going with I said Nobody, I'm going to just going on me own. He went, you're going on your own.

I'm right, yeah. And you've got to be careful what you say to writers. Because the next day, there were a couple of pages, and it said, he eats alone. Are you doing theatre any time, see? No, I don't think so, no. I can't imagine what that would be. But you never.

You never know. Do you enjoy theatre? Yeah, I mean, it's been a big part of my life. I started out in the theatre. I was, you know, it was years after I started being an actor before I was in front of a camera. And I was very, very happy. I never really thought. It was times were very different.

And my expectations, I think, were kind of very low and would be considered to be low. I didn't think they were low. But I thought it was going to be a life in the theatre, you know. And I thought that. and I was perfectly relaxed and happy with it. But then, you know, anyway, but, yeah, enjoys a word I always have trouble with, but, you know what I mean? But I do, yeah, I mean, if I was to tell my grandchildren,

not that they're ever going to ask, but if I was to tell them, if they said, you know, what were the most satisfying moments of your professional career, a lot of them would be in the theatre. Nobody can remember, and they, you know, and it's gone, obviously. But they were, there are, because it's, I find it very alarming, my job is quite alarming.

generally speaking, you know, and to be live in a theatre, in a play in a theatre, it's quite a reckless thing to attempt. It's amazing that I persevered because I suffered agonies of self-doubt live on stage all the time. So it was almost like punishment to yourself? I honestly can't tell you why anyone in my position then would have carried on. The only reason I can give, which I think is probably, I don't know, I'm not a reliable, witness but I think it was because I couldn't stand the idea of having that conversation

where they say you still acting and me saying no I don't do that no I gave that I you know I just couldn't bear my pride I was prideful and I couldn't bear the thought of that conversation so I was and I didn't have a plan B anyway I didn't have any levels I flunk school didn't you go to Marseille to avoid doing your GCSEs or something well it was sort of that yeah they were then called O levels but yeah Yeah, GCSEs, and I did run away. I was, we were going, me and my friend Peter, we ran away. Not, that wasn't the only reason.

It wasn't just because you saw the GCSEs coming, but we ran away. We'd looked at the map and we were going to go to, shows you how old I am, we were going to go to the Persian Gulf. The Persian Gulf, which doesn't exist now. No, it's called. Iran. So, anyway, then it was, it sounded good. You know, the Gulf sounded great.

I had no idea what it meant. but we got as far as Marseille and we got to the docks and we were trying to jump a ship to go to wherever the next bit of the journey and then there were these very spooky guys down there there was one guy in leather trousers you see what I'm saying

and a red top and in the end we got very very hungry and we went to the British consulate and said can we go home now and it cost £25 to take me home and it took me about three years to pay it back working on the petrol pumps and my dad was not happy

You can imagine. Did you have to reset your exam? No, they came up and I just flunked them. I mean, I got nothing, really. I got a D in something, in English literature, I think. It was a, you know, I just didn't get, you know, it was a disaster. And then I was asked to leave.

And I went down the Youth Employment Agency. You used to go down the Youth Employment Agency with your mum. I went with my mum. And the bloke said, he had a big book of jobs. And he said, what do you want to be? And I, you know, it was a big day for me, you know, because nobody had ever asked me, you know. And I said, well, I want to be an author because, you know, that was what I wanted to be.

And he said, well, we don't have any jobs for author. And I said, well, no, I didn't think he would. But my mother put her foot on top of my foot under the desk and just pressed down really hard as if to say, don't be so bloody stupid. You know what I mean, author? And then he said, well, what if we look in the book and we'll see if there's something that might lead you to being. And I went, all right, and he got me a job as a messenger boy on the field magazine, which was hunting, shooting and fishing. I don't think it was.

Nice, though. Yeah, yeah, no, it was a good job. And it was better than working in a, you know, yeah, it was a great job. They used to put me, well, I was a kid from the suburbs, and they put me in black cabs, you know. And they'd go and change all the magazines in the hotels, all the big hotels in their racks.

And you'd get a cheese roll around the back and a cup of tea. And it was all, I used to wave, at Rolls Royces. I was totally over-excited about being in town, you know, and I waved at one Rolls-Royce, and when I got back to the office, I got called to the managing director's office, and I thought I was going to be fired, and he said, he said, I was just driving in my car, and I passed you in the street, and you started to jump up and down and wave at my car. That's not the sort of behaviour we expect from, yeah, I got busted for waving it in the wrong car. But anyway, yeah, so it was a good, and in the end, Lord Harmsworth, who was,

the man who ran the whole affair he said if you get again it shows how long ago if you get shorthand and typing we'll put you in the in the sub-editors office so you know that was writing words for money so it was going to but i used to have to change the the roller towel in the ladies room and there was a type people were always quite you know slightly older than me but glamorous women got young women and they would always do this thing of whenever i went in to change the roller town in the ladies room they would all come in and there was a bed in the ladies room where you could lie down if you felt you know faint or anything and they would all but they'd all come in and pretend to need to be in the ladies room just to wind me out because I was I was in I was very

easy to wind up and I would blush and I would fumble the fucking roller towel and I'd just you know scamper away but that was one of my jobs and it was a nice job and Mr Dale who was my immediate superior, who was the kind of living janitor and caretaker. He said, you should be in the army. Why aren't you in the army? Well, a lot of people you say that at that time. You know, it sought you out. You know, you've got everything in the army.

But I was going to go to, I am a walking, talking cliche. I'd read movable feast by Honest Hemingway, everything by F. Scott Fitzgerald. You know, anyone who'd been in Paris between 1918 and 1930, and I was going to go to Paris and write the great English short story. And I ran away again, and I ran to, and I threw my suitcase out the window, literally. My mate caught it. And I went to Paris, and I went straight to Shakespeare and Company, the very famous bookshop there. And I hoped that, you know, I would write killer sentences and get a girlfriend.

And I didn't write a word. And I ended up. And I didn't get a girlfriend, no. There was a girl in England who was the first girl who'd ever paid any attention to me, and I overreacted catastrophically. I only lasted it about three weeks and I didn't know what to say to her or what to do and quite rightly she fired me

but I thought if I go to Paris it might impress her and when I came home she couldn't have been less impressed you know she was like Paris what were you doing in Paris I was like and I had no answer for that so but I went and I ended up my friend Brendan Thomas Elliott my oldest friend

and I ended up in Paris and we begged on the trocadero and avee vons-on-franc-po-mois-Madame, it's about all my French I got. And the photographers on the Trocadero would come over with wads of cash, and they'd show you rolls of cash, and they'd say, Madame Cuckoo's,

and they would explain that if you went to Madame Cuckus, and if you made love to what they called older women, you'd get 250 francs and your dinner. But I'd never made love to anyone, and I was waiting on the future Mrs. Nye, and I didn't want to cheat on her before she turned up. You know what I mean? So, and Brendan, I don't think it'd ever, you know, been with a girl, I don't know, I'm sorry, Brendan, you probably were very experienced sexually.

And, but we never went, but we used to, we used to sit there counting how many women we would have to sleep with in order to buy a Harley Davidson. Because there were these blokes that used to, because it was before helmets, that's how old I am. You could cruise around all the cafes in Paris with big aviator shades, lots of hair, you know, and great shoes. and a suit on, you know, they'd have a suit. Did you smoke gullas at the time? A big of a bun? I did smoke gullas. And jiton.

And I regret every cigarette I ever smoked children, and which is sincere. And it's great when it stops. So we used to, that's all we did. We just sat on the trocadero and tried to get enough money to go to the street of a thousand Nix. We used to call it. It was actually called Rue Mui or something.

And we would go in, and we had a trench coat. I don't know whether I should do this, but... Do it. We had a trench coat with big pockets inside. So one of... And it was before, you know, CCTV. And you could go, and one of us, we'd get like 20 somme teams from somebody on the trocadero. We'd pretend to mistake Americans for Parisians.

That was the scam. You'd say, now you'd go over and you'd say, I was en prongrelma, I mean, I'm very swaff, that's all I know. And they'd say, oh, my God, when did you last eat? And you go, well, my parents were recently. Boston there. My check, the check that I generally hasn't come through. And I wouldn't, I'm, do a French accent when you were doing that? No, no, no. But you would mistake them for, you'd pretend that you'd mistaken them for a local person, like a Parisian. Okay. And they would

give you, then they would give you 20 centimes, which was very little money. But it would be enough to get in the shop. And then one of us would go out the shop and try and spend the 20, and take a long time working out which chocolate bar while the other one went around the putting stuff in your pockets. And miming now. Yeah. And Brennan would do stupid things like he'd get a tin of salmon and we'd say what are we supposed to do with the tin of salmon? Because you couldn't open it because it hadn't got a thing on it. You needed a note. We didn't have it. Do you think that was like your first acting gig? There was an element of, yeah, there was an element of acting, I suppose, yeah. Darling, would you like some cheese and can I open some biscuits from?

I'll have a little bit of something. Yeah, that would be great. I like the look of These, which ones? What are they? They look nice. Okay, we'll open up. Can I have a bit of that? Bill, you are a grandfather. What's the best thing about being a grandfather?

It is a very, very good deal, being a grandfather. I like it because I get to spoil them. Yeah. Because I see that as my job. Where do you stand on sweets with grandchildren? Well, you're sugar-free, so this is interesting. Yeah. I know, but my grandchildren are not sugar-free.

and my grandchildren when they come to my house and I always say, don't tell your mother and then they run home immediately and say, he lets us have anything we want. Exactly. Your daughter will go, I'll say that you can't tell mum and dad because this is a secret. The first thing she does is,

Grandma told me a secret. I've had Harrow-Bos, Grandma. Yeah, they don't get the concept of being a secret. I'm glad you provide butter with the cheese and crackers. A lot of people don't. It's very nice. you did right you did well thank god i'm done well done that's perfect i can't understand why people don't have butter with it um last supper last supper oh um it doesn't have to be as sad as that

you can be going to a desert island for a very long time yeah um what would it consist i feel like i know the breakfast yeah but would you take us through a start to remain a pud and a drink of choice a starter i'd either have asparagus if it was on in season with just with olive oil and lemon. Oh, I tell you another restaurant I love. I love Giovanni's in Goodwin's Court in Covent Garden. And that makes me think of asparagus because Pino, who runs the exemplary Giovanni's in Goodman's Court,

prepares the asparagus in a very wonderful way. So that, or I would have a soup. And if it was going to be a soup, I do like a really, really good Ministroni soup. Oh, I do too. At Vasco and Piero's Pavilion in No. 11 Darblay Street in London's Soho, they do a starter, which is Carpacho of tuna with ginger and, no, thank you, ginger dressing, which I always have, and it comes with a little salad of avocado and onion.

But the ginger and balsamic dressing is absolutely, you know, sensational. Actually, I'll have that. Okay. So I'll have the tuna carpatio with ginger a la Vasco's. I'll have it with the ginger and balsamic dressing. And then for my main course, well, you know, I think that Putaneska is about as good as it gets. I think if it were my, I'm not being cute.

I mean, I really do like. It's cute, though. I do like, you know, if that was my main course, I'd be very, very happy. Good. And I would want a fabulous fruit salad. which is an art in itself. Now that I'm thankfully free of all sugar concerns and I never have to think about it,

I've become a connoisseur of the fruit salad. Give us the perfect fruit salad, please, well. The Woolsey does a good, you don't want all that juice. I mean, the perfect one, you've got to have pineapple because it's got more sugar in it than in the other. I would have mandarins, banana, A pineapple. Just a little bit of banana.

Bill. All right, all right. Okay. Okay. Forget the banana. Okay, fine. Well, it's only to give it a bit of oomph. I mean, it's not like a lot of banana.

Just, you know. Because it does get soggy. You said it again. Yeah. Sorry. You hate that word. You said it again. In a minute, in a minute you're going to say runny,

and then we're going to have to close the whole thing down. It's, these are words that, you know. Like mushy. Oh, well, there's another one. Oh my God. How can you? I never have mushy peas. I always have regular peas with fish and chips, obviously. But anyway, yeah, so all right, no banana, Mandarin, pineapple, raspberries, blueberries and a little bit of melon, but don't go mad. I don't know if this would be allowed for sugar-free. Would you be allowed stem ginger? No, I wouldn't. But you see, you have to remember that on the, well, you don't have to remember because you don't know yet. I'm about to tell you. But on a sugar-free pioneer WhatsApp group, there are no rules. There's no police.

Nobody says you can't have that because that doesn't, it's unattractive and wrong. So if you can live with stem ginger, go ahead. But for me, it could be. I don't know. I don't think I've ever, I think I have had stem ginger. Yeah, we put in our fruits, our special fruits. Well, it sounds great. We put stem ginger and light cheese. Lichies make me nervous Oh really? They're like eyeballs Yeah

Well now you've brought it up Yeah They're very peculiar They're very nice in our fruit signs I've never been a fan of them And I remember you to get them Because of Hannah My sister likes them

Your brother It's coming up to Christmas And so you know what time that is It becomes love actually time Are you so Exhausted by it Or does it still kind of tickle you every year

that it comes around. Yeah. It still gives me pleasure that something as kind of benign as that, thank you very much, something that promotes, you know,

the best of people has entered the language like that. I mean, it's, you know, the fact that nobody knew when they were making it that it would become, I mean, it's a Christmas movie so it might, you know,

you might expect it to be played at Christmas, but it's entered the language in a way that I don't, know very few films do you know and i've had people come up tell me all kinds of things from it helped me through my chemo to you know i got married to the song or you know there's all kinds you know and they get and they get and they have evenings where they dress up as the characters and stuff you know it's like that oh my goodness but i've never i never get no i'm not i don't get bored with it i'm i'm very very happy i was very happy to be in it and i'm and it's fabulous

that it carries on i mean I am more famous at Christmas. There's no question about it. A woman came up to me the other day and said, you are, you're Mr. Christmas, aren't you? Mr. Christmas. Do you like Christmas? Yeah, I don't mind Christmas. I'm not, you know, yeah, I don't mind it.

Some people love it. You like your husband. My husband, it's like, he started making mince meat. The first of December, he allows himself to have his first mince pie. We've got mince meat. Meat that's been getting ready since September. and we've got enough for like three years he's obsessed

when love actually first came out the kids used to the kids in across the street where I was living used to chase me down the street shouting hey kids don't buy drugs become a rock star people give you them for free

which is a joke from them and once I was going through immigration from Canada to the United States in about about 4 o'clock in the morning or something. There was nobody in the hall apart from me. And there were three guys behind glass booths. And one of them had a big black mustache. And I thought, don't give me the guy with the big black mustache. And he eventually, he pointed at me. And he said, hey,

kids, don't buy drugs. Become a rock star. People give you them for free. Am I right? Am I right like that? And I was like, drugs? No, no, no, no. I got no drugs. You know, it was like, a couple of times It's really helped me where I've cruised through certain things, you know. Like, I think I hold the record for getting a visa out of the American Embassy. I mean, it took eight minutes. And I think they know my work. I could be fooling myself and I just got lucky. But, you know, it's like at the American Emily, you sit there with your number.

And you can sit there for three hours. Honestly, it was under 10 minutes. The guy said, oh, please, come with me. I'm going with you next time, Bill. Yeah, come with you. Your own one's up and I'll come with you. Come with me. I'll get you in and out.

Before we let you go, it's been a total pleasure, but we have a few more questions. Mum, would you like to ask? Which song? I know you play air guitar very, very well. Thank you. You can't really do karaoke air guitar. Maybe you can.

But which song would you sing or play air guitar to? Which would be your favourite song? It's a very good question. If I was going to air guitar to a guitar solo, the first thing that comes to mind, is a song called Hook Me Up by Johnny Guitar Watson. Check out the guitar. Check out the guitar sound.

I'm a big Johnny Guitar Watson fan and I'm on a mission to reintroduce him to the world generally. Can you give us a couple of our guitar chords? You mean, and make the noises? No. I mean, I'd love to see that, but no, you don't have to. No, I won't do, I can't just, you know, I have to prepare. I've got to tune it.

I've got to tune it. I've got to tune it. I've got to get it, you know, I've got to get it right. What would be your guitar a choice? It's not going to be a ukulele, is it? It's not going to be a ukulele. No, I mean, I don't really know. My brother is someone who knows all about guitars. He's got loads of guitars. Oh, actually, he's got the new Johnny Marr, seven-string guitar. Seven-string? Yeah, it's very, very cool. So maybe that would be my choice. Okay. And before we let you go, can you please give us, a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere. Or scent.

Well, the smell of Swafiga and Marmite sandwiches. Swafiga. What's softening? It's what mechanics used to wash their hands with. It's like a greasy. Yeah, because I was not born in, I was born in a hospital, but I was brought up in my early years in a house that was part of a, you know, a petrol station. So the petrol puns were outside our front door.

and the workshop was next to the kitchen and my dad was the works manager and I used to clean cars sometimes but that smell of Swafiga which I don't know if they have anymore which is a kind of or, it's not liquid soap but it's sort of like a jelly it's like a jelly soap

and I used to wash cards and I used to have marmite sandwiches and the combination of Swafiga on your hands and the marmite is very evocative which is not particularly romantic I understand but it was it does take me back Bill Nye, thank you for coming here and being such a great guest. Thank you very much indeed.

It's been a pleasure. Best of luck with the podcast. Thank you very much. I think you don't need it because I think it's going very, very well. Are you enjoying it? Yeah, it's very nice to spend time with my fabulous producer, Alice Williams, who I understand is your producer too. Yes.

And yeah, no, it's been fun. I mean, I was very nervous about it. And I mean, I'm nervous about most things. And I was, I pulled out three times or something before I finally did it. Because I just thought, I'm going to make a fool of myself. But actually, you know, the reaction has been very favourable and people seem to, you know, like it. And it is, you know, it is an invitation to waste time,

which I think is, you know, it's not nothing. And there aren't many opportunities to do that. And I try and be reasonable company while it's happening. You're great company. You're good, your excellent company. Thank you. It's actually a waste for you to sit on your own reading a book. You should be entertaining people at dinner every night.

Well. He's still going out for dinner on his own tonight, meeting a book. Thanks, Bill. Pleasure. Bill Nye. What a storyteller. What a star. What a fabulous man.

Oh, I loved having Bill. Yeah. He was so open and fan. And the stories are brilliant. I know, I love his stories. And the suit, it reminds me of Paul Smith a little bit. Yes, you do, actually. That style. Totally.

That very slender, looks super cool in suits. I think a man in a suit, you can't go wrong. I really enjoyed having him over. I enjoyed him having seconds of the Putanesca. Yeah. Bless him, we did make him a tea, but he didn't have time. And you had to give him the candorail, which is like your icing. Why have you got icing kangaroo?

It isn't icing. It's what I use for stewed fruit. So that I don't put sugar in. But your sister's told me that I'm going to kill myself by using that. Oh, right. Okay. Closinogenic. Food was delicious.

The Poutinesca was really good. So hot. It was not that hot. And then he put so much more spice on it. I thought it was going to faint. I had a hot flush on when I started to eat it. Cheeseboard. We need to do that more often, though.

People like a cheeseboard, don't it? I like a jeez boy. Well, Americans like it before their dinner. They do. Thank you to Bill Nye for coming on Table Manners. His new podcast, ill-advised by Bill Nye, is out now and it's really good. Thank you.