Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Colman Domingo

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

This week, we’re thrilled to welcome our new best friend, the incredible Colman Domingo! One of the best-dressed men in Hollywood (with a velvet voice that could melt butter), Colman joined us for a Goat’s Cheese tart from mum’s latest cookbook obsession, Sunlight & Breadcrumbs, beetroot salad, Nigella’s moon-blushed tomatoes, followed by a meringue- like cookie!We talked about everything; his film Sing Sing, based on the transformative real-life Rehabilitation Through the Arts program at Sing Sing Maximum Security Prison, his secrets for perfect fried chicken (buttermilk and peanut oil!), his passion for condiments (he even carries peach barbecue sauce in his bag when he travels) and why his mum, Edith, remains a guiding force in his life. Sing Sing is a powerful and deeply moving film, led by a stunning performance from Colman. It’s out now—don’t miss it! And keep an eye out for him in the next season of Euphoria and an exciting upcoming project with Steven Spielberg. Thank you, Colman, for sharing your stories and your heart with us. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Wirt and we're at Lenny's house for the final recording that we're doing of 2024 but this is greeting you in January and mum you've made something really delicious today. Well I hope it is, it's from my new favourite cookbook Sunlight and Breadcrumbs and it's a funny time of day and I don't know how much she's going to eat so I've made a tart with chevro, which is goat's cheese, dill and spring onions which I griddled first. I don't know what it would be like. You're good at quiches mum. Am I?

You are. And then I wanted to call it a tart really because I think it sounds a bit more classy than a quiche. And then I've done a beetroot salad because I love beetroot and it will lower my blood pressure before Christmas. And then just a green salad and I did those moon blush tomatoes that you. Moon blush? That's what she calls them.

Whilst you were cleansing your crystals outside you blushed the tomatoes by the moon. No they're called moon blush, that's what Nigella calls them. Whilst you were cleansing your crystals outside you blushed through... No, they're called moon blush. ...tomatoes by the moon. That's what Nigella calls them. So you put them... What did you do? All you do is cut them in half, put some olive oil, a bit of salt, a bit of sugar and thyme. You put them in a hot oven at 225 and as soon as they go in you turn the oven off and leave

them overnight. They look very pretty. And then I've made some, well they're ground walnuts with cocoa and meringue basically and a bit of sugar. Not a lot of sugar and there's lemon juice in the meringue which I've never put in before and you just bake them in the oven and they're essentially a bit like a macaron. Yum. So anyway. So last week we gave you Jessie Eisenberg, probably going to be up for an Oscar.

Now we've got another probably going to be up for an Oscar. When are they announced? It must be next week. We have the fantastic Coleman Domingo coming in. His film Sing Sing has been out for a while and he's been talking about it but we got to watch it and it was so fantastic and moving and important and I can't wait to meet him. You would have seen Coleman Domingo in many things,

the remake of Color Purple. You probably have seen him on the stage. He's done the West End, he's done Broadway, he's done everything, but now he's really like becoming a proper script, well, not becoming, he has, he is a screen star. He's got his own TV show called The Madness, which he's like the star in on Netflix.

He was up for an Oscar last year for his role in Rustin. And Sing Sing is really wonderful and he plays Divine Eye in it and it's just an absolutely moving story. So I'm really excited to meet him. He's also probably one of the most well-dressed men in Hollywood I'm interested to see what he's gonna be wearing today, and he also has the most delicious voice It's like velvet. Oh, it's I like Bailey's

I'm sure he's probably played King Lear before but I kind of feel like that voice with King Lear could be really good. Anyway, Coleman Domingo is coming to club. ["The King Lear's Theme Song"] Coleman Domingo, welcome. Thank you, Jessie. It's good to be a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit to fit through the door. You are so tall. You are quite tall. Yeah, well I'm six foot two. Oh, that's not that tall. It's not super tall, but I feel... Have you got high heels on?

Oh, he's got a Cuban heel. I have a Cuban heel. Oh, okay. I wanted to come in a little shop shop for you. I thought you never know, we may dance, you know. Sure, you never know. I'll shake it to the pearls. Oh, stop. I don't like that one.

Oh my God. Really, I will play it over and over again, especially at the gym, because it's just such a, you know, you're fun and effervescent. And just like, I love, no, really, I couldn't get here soon enough when I found out, because, you know, I told you, I was like, you're kind of in a fog when you're on a press tour

and you're coming in, you're like, you have no idea who you're gonna meet with, you don't know until minutes before. And then you're like, oh, well, we were adding this podcast. And I was like, oh, okay, who is it? I'm tired, it's right before the holidays. They're like, Jessie Ware and her mother, Lenny Ware. And I was like, wait, what?

We have to do it, we have to do it. I'm such a fan of yours. That's so sweet. No, you're just very warm and kind and open. And I don't know, just I love, and you love to cook and we do and I like a meal and well so we're recording this before Christmas time we're recording this is coming out next year yeah but we're recording this like

it's the 20th of December is it 20th or 21st 20th you're still here promoting yes you must be the most hard hardworking guy in showbiz. I am the James Brown of modern day times, it seems. Yeah. But I love what I do and I love getting out and really I love, this is the part where I like, you know, I'm from the theater originally. I started in small professional theaters and I love getting out and talking to people and sometimes we're just doing film and TV.

You don't get this. Yes But for me, it's that. There's a cat. Are you allergic? I'm allergic, but it's fine. No, we can get rid of him. No, no, no. No, he did not. No, no, unless you have a Claritin or something.

No, no, no, no. Have you got Claritin? Have you got hay fever, mom? Yeah, but maybe just put him outside. Get him out. Do you have any animals? I have no animals at all. I mean, it must be quite hard

if you're traveling all the time, right? He's got an allergy as well. Yes, yes. But the thing is, I love animals, but I think I just, I just, I wouldn't know where to keep them. I'm not somebody who will want to keep an animal going on a plane with me or something.

But I love animals so much. Where do you live exactly? I live in a little town called Malibu, California. Oh, my favorite. Isn't that good? It's good, right? I love it. It's perfect, right? I love it. It's perfect, right?

My shoulders drop when I drive out of Santa Monica. I just moved there in February, because I used to live in a small little suburban town in southeast L.A. Which one did you live in? It was a little town called Downey. I've never even heard of it. Let me tell you why you may have heard of it though. Downey is where the Carpenters are from.

Oh, wow. Karen Carpenter grew up in Downey. So everything about Karen Carey is where the Carpenters are from. Oh wow. Karen Carpenter grew up in Downey. So everything about Karen Carpenter and the Carpenters is just from this little town. So is it quite kind of quaint and everyone's looks like they're on psychedelics. Yes. They're kind of smiling. Absolutely, absolutely. It still has that feel because the houses are very sort of old school traditional mid-century houses. There's a lot of, there's a few faux Italian places that, you know, they tore down and built up, but it does, it's a very suburban community and it was really beautiful.

And I was there for eight years. And then I bought this home by circumstance. I wasn't even in the market for buying a house, but this beautiful home that's really embedded in nature came up and I have a view of the ocean and it's peace. And I didn't know that I needed, listen, people who are on the road all the time, you know that like, I need a place where it's just really

a place I can just be and just be a person and not, it can't be about art or art making or anything. It really is just like, oh, it's nature and it's me being dirty and putting on my galoshes and getting out to garden and just, I don't know. So your partner Raoul works in fashion, doesn't he? Do you feel like you've learned a lot from him with style or were you already, you were born stylish?

It's funny, I think that we both have learned a lot from each other. I think I've always had a sense of style even as a kid. There's a picture that has gone around every so often that I post from Easter Sunday, 1976. And I remember that day in particular because there was a navy blue suit that my mother wanted me to wear, but of course I was a kid and I grew out of the sleeves. And I said, oh, it's okay, I want to wear that jacket anyway. And the jacket was red, white and blue stripes. And my mother was just like, oh no, no, because my mother was very sort of conservative, like oh no, no, no, no, she's gonna change me into a brown suit or something like that,

very monochromatic, which is something I actually love to wear now, monochromatic, because that's something about power with that. But I was like no, no, no, I wanna wear the jacket, I like it, and I put it on, and she says, and she says, oh, and I said, it makes me feel good. And then she said, she looked at me, and I'll it on and she says, and she says, oh, and she's just, she, I said, it makes me feel good. And then she says, she looked at me and I've never forget this moment. She says, okay, it's good. Where it makes you feel good. And so I have this picture or Easter

Sunday, which is kind of cool. And me sitting in the middle of my siblings and I'm wearing this suit that was like a little, you know, forward, you know, for a kid, but it made me feel good. I'm sitting there with the biggest smile. And so I know that that was like a little forward for a kid, but it made me feel good. I'm sitting there with the biggest smile. And so I know that that was already impressing me to say, wherever it makes you feel good. I love that. I wanna go back to Raoul. Is it Raoul?

Raoul, yeah. So I know lots of people, well, I learned this story of how they met and I know you've probably said this so many times, but I feel like you need to tell my mom. I'll tell your mom. Because it's heaven. Okay,'s heaven. Okay. It should be on like this modern modern love Should it be that it's like it well, it's a no, it's funny Well, it's funny because I told the story once in GQ magazine for their love issue a few years ago

and then Graham Norton invited me on and he got wind of the story and I told him last year and invited me on and he got wind of the story and I told him last year. And I think I know why people love this story. And I'll tell you. The story goes like this 20 years, almost 20 years ago. We met March 25th. Um, 20 years ago. Now remember 20 years ago, when you were about an old married man. But get this, get this 20 years ago, as we know, there was no real social media. It was the beginnings of it in many ways.

And I'm just putting it in the back of your mind, more of an analog world. We know it. I was in Berkeley, California, just there to do a show at a theater, Berkeley Rep. And I used to live in San Francisco and it was my first time coming back in a long time. And I went to, I knew the whole neighborhood

so I was like, oh, on a Sunday night, I'm gonna go treat myself to a facial mask. So I wanted to go get a mask at the neighborhood Walgreens or Boots. So I go there and literally I walk in the door and walking out is a face and I'll say it, but I'll give you more detail of the story now because I don't usually get to. I saw a face that I didn't it, I'll give you more detail of the story now because I don't usually get to.

I saw a face that I didn't know was beautiful or interesting or what, but it was a face that left a deep impression on me. And I thought I'd never saw a face like that in my life. And he had hair down here and he was just open. He looked at me with his beautiful stare. He had a lip piercing. And I was like, who is that?

I was literally on the phone, which I'm doing this. I was on the phone and I was talking to someone and I was like oh my god and I walk into Walgreens and I'm like my instinct was that I have to walk back out. Now preface I was really not in a mood for anyone's relationship I just got out of one so I wasn't even on the prowl I was just like really being myself I had a faux hawk I was dressing like myself Il. I was just like really being myself. I had a faux hawk. I was dressing like myself. I was fun. I was relaxed. And so this I was stunned. And I was like, I literally turned back around and walked back outside. And I see him look over in the corner talking to a young woman who was angry about something. She was, you could tell she was frustrated. She was very animated. And he was

trying to focus on her, but he was distracted looking at me. And I'm on the phone. I'm like, I need to get off the phone. I want to talk to this person, but he's distracted looking at me and I'm on the phone and I'm like I need to get off the phone I want to talk to this person but he's distracted I'm distracted and eventually I get off the phone and then he's already walked away with this young woman walking down the street she's still very animated he keeps looking back and my hand literally reached up and did this and said come back and he just she's dragging him off they go off did he see you go like that he did and but he didn't come back because he was being dragged off and I just stood there outside with this interaction literally watching him walk

away and I felt like what was that so I get distracted I think I don't know if I actually ended up going back in the Walgreens. I ended up at a blockbuster video across the street looking through the videos. And then I looked at my watch and it was 803. I'll never forget that. And I went back outside and I thought, well, maybe he's out there. If he felt what I felt, he wasn't out there. And I thought the Walgreens had closed down because they closed down at eight. And I was like, maybe perhaps I'll come back again.

I'm a romantic. Maybe I'll come back again. I'm a romantic. Maybe I'll come back again next week at this time and maybe he will be here too. I don't know, I've always been that hopeful person believing that things like that will, magic will happen. So now we're gonna cut like a film and go three days later. I couldn't stop thinking about this interaction.

And I had received a grant from the Bay Area cash fund to help me with my writing because I was, you know, I just didn't have a lot of money and I was like, oh, with this money I can get a new computer to help support my writing and maybe I can buy something used and I can get an iPod touch because I need music too. So I'm online on Craigslist and I'm going through and just looking looking looking And then after maybe about an hour, I just sit there now I'm staying in theater housing, which is not really great or glamorous at this little computer and I can't I keep thinking about this interaction and I thought how can I find this person and I thought what if I posted one of

those Miss Connections ads? Hmm because I read them, you know saw you on There would be sections on this Craigslist a website that would say Miss Connections casual encounters Whatever you can find anything you can buy We have that well What did we have we had it in the London light. What was it called? Love's Shop? Was it called? I think it was called Love's Shop.

Oh yeah it was. Yes, yes. Just imagine a whole page where you can find a housekeeper, you can find a used appliance or something like that and find love apparently. So I go to this website and I thought about writing a profile like, oh I saw you, missed you, want to talk to you, and where our location was. So I'm scrolling down, reading them, thinking about this. I get to the second page on the website, three down,

and it says, saw you outside of Walgreens, Berkeley. I literally jumped up. I said, oh my God, that's me. That's him. Oh my goodness. How good me. Oh my goodness. How good is the story? Literally I touch it as if I was almost afraid. Just I tap the screen and I start reading it

and he says, I saw you outside of Walgreens Berkeley. I was with a friend, we were lost. She was upset. I hope this finds you. I respond to it. Not to cry. I respond to it. How to cry. I respond to it. This is me, et cetera, et cetera.

My name is this. I'm so glad that I found you. Can we meet up? We met up three days later. We had our first date. I was trying to be a good boy and trying not to be naughty. After this date, which was so beautiful. And I have to tell you.

Where did you go? I have to tell you, I have to tell you, we went to this bar called Dalva in San Francisco in the Mission District. And I walked in and we just had a couple drinks and then we went for a walk and then we kissed on the street. And then he asked me to come back home with him. And I thought, I'm trying to be a good boy.

I was like, no, no, no, because I really liked him. I thought, I want to take my time with this. And he said, really, and he felt like, and from his perspective, he said, I didn't know if this was going to, if you would want to see me again. So I really wanted to hang on to every moment possible. So I said, okay, I will come over, but let's just cuddle.

So we cuddled and about four o'clock in the morning, I couldn't sleep. And I said to him, I thought he was asleep. I said, I think I love you and you're about to change my life. I knew it. Now I have to also let you know this. He tried to post this ad three times

and it didn't go through until an hour before I found it. Oh, kismet. If that isn't kismet, if that isn't destiny and that isn't magic, I don't know what is. That's what makes me believe in magic. I'm like, oh no, there is love available. You just gotta put your head up. You were just meant for each other.

We were, and he's my best friend, he's a good human, and I feel extremely lucky. 20 years. Are you married? We're married, we got married 10 years ago. Fabulous. Yeah, yeah. I guess we should probably get to some food, but what was the food at the wedding?

The food was, oh, the wedding happened like this. Very easy, because I always have a busy schedule and he wanted to get married and I wanted to get married but we never knew when we could schedule. Suddenly, it was the week before the anniversary of my mother's passing, which was seven years prior. Thank you. And I thought, my mother was such love.

I said, let's transform mom's day into a day of love. So let's organize a wedding. And we did it very quickly, we didn't tell anyone we were getting married until they came to our apartment that day, where we had fried chicken, great champagne, I made some salads, and when people came in, I said, welcome to our wedding.

What, when? I said, now. It was a surprise, I said, welcome to our wedding. They were like, what? When? I said, now. It was a surprise because we don't want to put anyone out. Everyone came in, we created the wedding in a moment. My friend Ari sang a beautiful song called Bershirt about meant to be. And yeah, exactly.

And then we, it's Bershirt. And then we just ate, drank and laughed until five o'clock in the morning. Beautiful. So that's what we ate. We ate fried chicken and some really good salads that I made. And I'm such a... I don't like to be fussy at all in any way.

So I'm very relaxed and that's the way I wanted it and that's the way he wanted it. I'm going to get back to you being obviously quite a good cook, but let's start at the beginning. Where you grew up, it was in Philly. Philly. Who was around the dinner table and what was being served? The wildest thing is my whole family, we sat down like we were in a 50s family or something.

We sat at the table with my mother and my stepfather at the other head of the table and kids all around. My brother, my younger brother Philip next to me over here. Wow, I can remember the table setting. My younger brother right here, my mom's here, dad's here, my brother Rick here, my sister Avery here, four kids. And we would sit down and usually we had something like, gosh, the one thing we would,

because we didn't have a lot of money, we would have something called Salisbury steak. What's that? Which is like a patty of meat that's like, it's a little better than hamburger, yet it's usually have a gravy over it or something. There was always a gravy and I hated gravy. Oh really?

What if you have gravy? No, we don't have gravy. You'll save. But we always had like good soul food. You know, my mother, it's a tradition coming from the South, eventually her families and all. We have fried chicken, we would have real rich food, actually like, you know, collard greens, candied yams,

you know, but pretty much traditional soul food. How do you candia yam? You candia yam, brown sugar, maple syrup, cinnamon, low-gluten nutmeg. So you fry it? You fry it. You can fry, oh, you can bake it as well. You can bake it.

With butter, a little orange juice, or an orange rind just a man is just rich It probably will kill you usually I don't eat so much like that all the time But it's real fatty sort of soul food like, you know African-american food. Do you think yam holds its better than? Sweet potato. No It's kind of the same. Well, it's not as it? It's not as sweet. So it's more like a potato? Yes, exactly. It's starchy. It's starchy, yes exactly. You can't eat it every day. And it's a different, it's white isn't it? It's white. It's creamy colour. Actually no, yam is, it's funny because I feel like I've seen them both. I've seen yam that's like creamy coloured and sweet potato that is more

orange than you. Yeah. Yeah but sometimes it depends on the variety. How long would you bake it for? I would say you want it to get a little soft. I would say 45 minutes. Oh, that, yeah. And you would cut it in rounds? In rounds, cut it in rounds. Okay, you're a good cook, I can tell now.

Oh, I love cooking. Straight away. So if we were coming round to yours. Which we probably will. We would love it. We're best friends. Exactly, of course, I would love that. What are you gonna cook for us?

It all depends on the season. I love to do a good roast, like a roast chicken. I love a good roast chicken with root vegetables and things like that. I like to cook sort of like in an effortless manner that's just fresh from the table. I would make something very healthy that I think that everyone would like.

I would get a little fancy. I would make some French food sometimes. Like I'll make, I don't know, I might do a trout almondine. Lovely. You know, I like lighter foods that are like, you know, really, I don't know, they make you feel like you're somewhere else.

I can experiment with like Japanese food and different flavors. I also love, I love forward seasonings in many ways. Just things that have like, that are complicated. Like I will make a good fried chicken that has like, yeah, you'll have all these different spices, garlic and cumin, maybe even a little cinnamon to make a little sweet. So what's the secret to the batter on a fried chicken? What's your batter? What's your batter? Buttermilk. Uh huh.

Okay. Must do buttermilk. So buttermilk made into a batter. Into a batter instead of... Oh so buttermilk instead of milk. I also saw something where instead of using like the egg to be the glue, you would use buttermilk instead.

That's the, so that's your glue. Everything sticks to it and all the seasoning will stick to it as well. So you want to get in the thing is about frying it though because you want to get it to a real you need it at a very high high heat. You got a deep fryer. I don't have a deep fryer. I still go very old school. You fry it in oil. You fry it in oil. Which oil do you use? Because you have a funny one there, canola. Everyone's using avocado oil. Everyone's using avocado oil, but I like peanut oil. Peanut oil to fry something in. Five guys use peanut oil.

But we don't get peanut oil here. Well, five guys have got it, so I don't know where they're getting it from. You know where I learned how to use peanut oil? When I worked at McDonald's. Ah, is that what they do? That's why the fries are so good. Because it gets a good high heat.

They smell like they're being beefed up. You know what? Also, I don't mind frying things in like a little beef fat. Okay, okay. Exactly, or duck fat, duck fat. So, okay, we're gonna get onto Sing Sing. But you're in full, like, it's campaign mode.

And I'm sure it's your team. I mean, quite rightly, you are no doubt going to be up for the Oscar. You're already up for the Golden Globes. You've won the Gotham. Like, it's looking pretty bloody good. So you're up for a Golden Globe. Have you been nominated for anything else? He was up for an Oscar last year, mum. No, I know that for this, this, this.

Haven't come out yet. Yes, I've been nominated, but there's been a lot of like this. My film has been out since like last September. Yeah. So there's been a nice long runway. We've been playing regional festivals around the country, around the world. And we've we've stacked up a lot of honors, which has been great. Not only for myself, but my my castmates and the ensemble and the film. That's been beautiful because I feel like it does feel like it's been a grassroots

way of getting the film out. Has Devine G got a non? Yes. He actually won the supporting for the Gotham as well, which has been great. I mean that I've got goosebumps thinking about you two together cause. He's beautiful performer.

But you, there was this tension where I was like I didn't know what was going to happen in this film I was like I'm worried he's going to fucking kill him yeah and there was that tension when you when he goes and reads for Hamlet I'm not going to give anything away and your character is just kind of like hang on like and and and there's just like this and then this beautiful tenderness and friendship and brotherhood that happens, well, with all the cast, but that's the one that you're like, which way is it gonna go, right?

And doesn't that say something about like the possibility of someone that you feel like you have nothing in common with? Both of these characters felt like, even in the confines of a prison, felt like they had nothing to do with each other. And then you find out that you're probably more alike than unalike. You just have different ways of approaching something. So for me, that's what it's about. And that, yeah, there's a tension throughout the film and there's, it's constantly shifting perceptions of people and what the

possibility is. Like my favorite moment, and this won't give too much away, but there's a word, maybe I won't say what the word is. There's a word, and this won't give too much away, but there's a word, maybe I won't say what the word is. There's a word that is used in the film that is an offering of grace. When someone says, oh, we don't use that word in prison, we use the word this when it comes to brotherhood. And for me, that was a gift that Clarence actually gave me when we were trying to figure out the script.

He said, oh, it was an offering of a word. And we're like, wow, what a transformative word. I would never imagine these hyper masculine men in this environment to use this word. It's a word of transformation. It's a word I think the more men need to invite into their whole DNA, which will change them and shift them. So Clarence is also a writer.

He was involved in this screenplay. Yeah, in this program. But also in the RTA program, which for people, I mean, you're gonna explain this much better, but for people that haven't seen Singsing, can you describe the program that this all sent us around? Yeah, our film Singsing is centered on this program and that was started at us around? Yeah, our film Sing Sing is centered on this program and that was started at Sing Sing Prison,

which is the maximum security prison in upstate New York. And there's a beautiful gem of a program that was founded by a lot of the members there who just wanted to do something different. They wanted to, let's put on a play. Let's see if the volunteers will come in, teach them acting skills. And they started by just playing.

And you're, oh, this is good, this is fun, this is interesting. But then these real things start to happen. As we know anyone who loves theater is like, what does it develop? You develop more empathy, you start to break down your own barriers and things that you have

we've have trial and trauma with you can name a feeling and You can do some process work to become a bit more evolved and they start to realize it was having a profound effect on These inmates so much so that this is a number that I love to put out in the world So much so that there's a 3% recidivism rate, meaning that once they're out of prison, they don't come back in, compared to 60%, 6-0 nationwide. Of people involved in the program. Exactly.

So that shows that programs like this work. You're like, oh, we have to give people tools to be different, to actually do some real rehabilitation. Is the RTA in all prisons? No. But the other thing about your prisons is they're not nationally owned. Some of them are private, a lot are private prisons. That is the problem because there is money to be made off of these prisons.

I think it almost doesn't benefit those prisons, which is why we have to sort of do something about that. I mean, it's very brutalizing, as I understand the American prison system, that it's not rehabilitative. Yeah, it's more punitive in the United States. It's much more punitive than rehabilitative, yeah. But also, don't you think that's something,

maybe that's what I love, our film. Our film has so much light and joy and humor in it, and it's really showing us another path of like, how do we think about these people? One of the saddest bits I found, I mean, obviously all the relationships were so touching, but you were this man who's kind of quiet man and intellectual in many respects.

And that bit where your room, your cell is searched. And you- So dehumanizing. It's so dehumanizing. And the man comes out and he just taps you on the shoulder as if I'm sorry I've had to do that, but that's how it is. And he taps you and you go back in and all your papers, everything is in disarray and just thrown on the floor.

Made me so sad. Because why wouldn't you respect someone's belongings? Or it's not like you were, it was just so sad for me, that particular one. Thank you for mentioning that moment, because I feel like there's all those key moments that we just show, that really shows the dehumanization of people.

And also because I feel like as we, I think our understanding more and more, we're like, you know, I think a lot of people in prison are seen sort of monolithic, like we don't, they're locked away and we don't think about them. And not think about there's individual stories of how they got there.

And as we know that like, yes, some people have created, have done some heinous crimes. Yes, I won't deny that. But some people are in prison that should not be in prison. Some people are wrongfully accused, like my character. And then trying to find ways to hold onto their humanity. And then these, it's just set up to be so inhumane to just, maybe that's it, even a moment of like knowing that person

didn't even think to be careful with a person's things, you know, of what little they have to hold on their humanity, their pictures, their words, their books, their space. There's none of that in prison. You're just treated inhumane. So you're like, how can a person possibly be rehabilitated when the system's not set up for them to do some deep work. You know what I mean? So for me, I think maybe that's been the gift for me being a part of this film is to really examine this and think about, because I don't know if I've really thought about that. Like what society do we want to live in and be a part of?

Was it 95% of the actors in the film were formerly incarcerated? Yes, and went through that program. And playing themselves and went through the program. The only professional actors are myself, Paul Racy, who was in Sound of the Metal, Sean San Jose, who is actually, who plays Mike Mike, he's actually my best friend. Was he Mike Mike?

Mike Mike. He's your best friend? He's my best friend on the planet. Oh wow. We've known each other for over 30 years. I loved his part, he was wonderful. Isn't he a special actor? That conversation of you back to back and the,

that was beautiful. All of it was, I mean, yeah. Thank you. I'm so glad. I love that people love Mike Mike, because that was like, because I knew that I needed. Do you want to eat something?

Yeah, I do. I knew by going into this unchartered territory of creating this film, I needed a friend. Like literally, you know, literally sometimes you're like, I need a friend with me. Well, you're quite nervous going into it, but you did a lot of prep, didn't you? I didn't do a lot of prep.

Oh, you didn't have a lot of time. I was actually shooting the color purple right before I went into this. Right. And I only had 18 days in between color purple and going back for pickups for Rustin, another film I did. Yes. Oscar nominated. Rustin. No big deal. But literally, that's all I had. So, you know, sometimes you... I feel like I'm a person who

likes to prep a lot, but this didn't allow me to, so I had to lean into a different way of being. So how did you create this brotherhood with your actors, fellow actors and formerly incarcerated men? How did you get to know each other? Are those beats? Yeah. Good Lord. Did you do the Moroccan? It's Moroccan, it's with cumin and orange juice and things.

Literally, didn't I mention cumin and orange juice? There you go, gorgeous. Things that I love, right? It could be in like Cafe Mogador. Have you ever been to Cafe Mogador in New York? No. It's like a really good spot that's like, does Moroccan breakfast really well.

So anyway. This is beautiful. Please start helping yourself, but tell me the story too. No, we created this bond together by, on Zoom. Yeah. And then by the time we got to, like again, I didn't have a lot of time to prep. Yeah.

So we really went in very quickly, which was beautiful because they were very open in that way and most of them, well, none of them have ever been on a professional set. So they were just open. I would say like how children are. They were like, I don't know what this is. Let's figure it out together.

And so they were, I think also because of the life experience, there was no guard up at all. They had, they were very open. So that's how we created that. This is beautiful. Can I can I serve you? You can. Thank you. Oh, first of all, wait a minute. I just have to... He enjoyed that tomato.

I eat like, I savor like it's sex. I think we should, we should never just rush food. We have to just like get in there. Oh, don't look at me then. I'm like that. You're a natural sexiest. Shove it in. I'm literally like, one van, thank you, man.

What does one say about you, Joseph? Just get it done. Get it done, get out. Absolutely. But can I say about you, Jess? Just get it done. Get it done, get out. Absolutely. But I think that- What's it taste like? Delicious, mum.

Honestly. Very delicious. It's so good. It's beautiful. Good. And I'm hacking into it, honestly. Good, good. Where do you like London?

Do you like coming here? I love London. Where do you hit up as soon as you get here? Soon as I get here, it's funny, I feel like, I'm always pretty open. Usually at the Hawksmoor, I was living here in 2013 for like a good year and a half. And at first I stayed in Kilburn.

Oh my God. And I would go, I knew almost that. And that's when I would really just go into pubs and get most of my meals. I'm like, oh, this pub culture here. And then I moved to Borough. Gorgeous. Yeah. Which is beautiful. I was going to borough market. That's great. And then I lived in Holborn. Nobody lives in Holborn. No. Did you go to Lambs Conjuret street a lot?

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's so good. Yeah. I would eat at, um, the Hoxton Holborn usually for breakfast. Okay. Yeah. There was a great, that's when the first time I really discovered like sort of avocado toast. Again, this is like 2013 and avo toast was not a thing in the States. Oh, because it came from Australia, didn't it? Yeah. Oh, Bill Granger, he passed away, yeah.

Yeah, so the moment I was over here, I was like, oh, avocado toast. And my friends would be like, is that guacamole on bread? I'm like no, it's avocado toast So you know London really well, mm-hmm And then and I'm you know, it's funny. I love um, I guess using when I'm here for press or something I would stay in Soho. Mm-hmm, but I love East London. I love like Bolson and I love Hackney. Mm-hmm. I love that real neighborhood That's why I was very excited to come down here, because I'd never been down here.

I've been as far as Brixton. And then I'm like, what, I love, I don't know, I just love these neighborhoods, because they always have a good center. Yeah. And it's very, lots of green spaces, which is what I love. Yes, yes. You can always go to a park.

What is that? What is it? What is it? I'll tell you what they are. These cookies, but they're more like meringues made with walnuts and cocoa. I don't ever want to leave. Oh, yum. I don't think I'm ever going to leave.

Have some cream as well. This is just, no, literally. Let's see what you think. They might not be as great as you think. What else is in there? Just almonds, cocoa, egg white. Sugar. That's why I took a, yeah. Well they're quite, they're fun mum. I like them.

Can I have some raspberries please mum? What made you think of these? They were in that cookbook and I just thought they're called Buona Notti biscuits or something so. They're light and, yeah they're really nice mum. Do you have a sweet tooth? I don't. Well I do.

You used to be like a kid but now I'd Kid but now we all say with a cookie and I Know I don't I feel like I the one thing with my vice is gummy bears Yeah, whenever I'm on the set of the PAs they know They're like, oh Coleman's working really hard put some gummy bears there So it's like is it strictly gummy bears or will it be like Harry Bow? Love Harry Bow. Yeah, the thing that I love the most is when I come here and I go to M&S.

Oh, Percy Pig. Percy Pig! I love Percy Pig. I'm literally, my plan before I go on my flight tomorrow is to go by M&S and get some Percy Pig and take it home. I love that. Because we don't sell like that. And when I, as your new friend, come and visit you,

she'll bring some. Oh, I would love that. I've had friends bring me boxes of Percy Pig, cause I love it. I love just keeping it in the house. I'll bring you a suitcase. I appreciate it. Oh, that's a good, wish she'd done one.

I love it. Coleman, what would be your last supper? Appetizer, main, dessert, drink of choice. My appetizer, because I'm, this is something I've done ever since I was 21 years old. Every birthday I go sit somewhere and have by myself a glass of champagne and a dozen oysters. I love oysters.

My appetizer would be oysters. Oh, God. Can I ask why you do that on your own? I think it's a day of reflection. Something about fish, I think it's connected to my mom who always said, you know, fish is its abundance as well. And I feel like the idea of having, you need a moment by yourself.

I'll take myself somewhere really good. This is what, since I was 21, I was like, I didn't have a lot of money, but I was like, this is my own treat. It's for me. It's for me to sit, not on a phone, not reading a book, and just reflect and have a simple glass of champagne, toast the past and we're

moving into the future but it really just a little moment for me and I'm always telling people Mike you need that moment for yourself and so I've always done that so it'll be oysters and usually it will be what you put in the I like shallot vinegar. Shallot vinegar or champagne vinegar. And I love, I mean, they're always doing different things with it. What else? I also love it with a horseradish as well. The spices are better. Yeah, I like a little speedy little kick.

They open up your nose. Horsemores do good oysters actually. They do great oysters, yeah they do. Are you a hot sauce guy? I am a hot sauce, I love sauces, period. I love condiments. I have so much so I pack little bits of condiments with me on a flight, because you never know what food you're gonna get

and you're like, I need to spice it up. I need to spice it up. So what are your sauces that you're definitely traveling? Barbecue sauce. Oh, I love, I mean, McDonald's barbecue sauce is my favorite. No, not McDonald's barbecue sauce. I do like that. Although I do like it.

I like it. I do like it, but you know, it can be any kind of specialty barbecue sauce that has a little kick to it. It can be a peach barbecue sauce. Peach barbecue? Where are you getting that from? You can get it from like these fancy little, you know, places, you know.

Little beach. Love that. I'll take you to it in Malibu, okay? Exactly, right? So things like that, I love hot sauces. I have, literally I have a shelf. Thank God this lovely woman came and organized my sauces in my new house.

Oh my God, there's a woman that does that? There's a woman who comes and organizes your stuff. She's not the one that did Chrissy Teigen's? No, but there's many people- And she did her larder, and it was like, oh my God. This woman put Lazy Susan's that I'd known, in my cabinet, that has all my sauces.

Oh, so you can spin it around, and you can spin one. And you can spin everything. And so it started just rooting through, you know, I didn't even know you can organize that way. My spices are organized in the drawer. Stunning. Instead of, you know, I mean, it's just reach it in and you're always searching and don't know what you have, but this is everything's very open. I love organizers. I've just gotten into that because I need that. I need that. Saves time. That's your, um, your, your meal. Next your entree. Yeah. My entree. My entree. I would say. That's your um your your next meal. Your entree yeah. My entree. My entree I would say. It's gonna be steak. No we don't know yet. Okay I'm guessing now. I think it's something that I know I can't live without.

This is my last supper right? Yeah but you're not going to have you're not going to heaven or you're not going to be executed. I don't know it can can be inter-trial, inter-trial, we're definitely going death row. Given that we're not, do they have a death row at Singsing? I don't know, I'm sure they do. Did you actually go in the prison, I meant to ask you. We didn't go in, we actually shot the exteriors there, but we shot the interiors at a decommissioned prison. Okay, okay, okay.

So they never let you inside? No. No. I'm sure I don't want to go on either. So you're Maine? My Maine, I think, is it Maine with sides or? Whatever you want. Okay, my Maine is probably, it's a thing that I do very well, which is in the summer, for six hours, I smoke ribs. I smoke pork ribs. I do it really beautifully with brown sugar and a little apple cider vinegar, maybe a little pineapple juice and it takes its time. You

start with putting it in foil, put it in the roaster for two, for this smoker for two hours, pull it back out, then the butter goes on all that. It's all this nurturing. So you've got your own smoker. I have my own smoker. Is it a green egg? It's not a green egg. I don't know, I have an electric one,

one of those master built electric master built timer. But it's fantastic. And you put wood chips in there and everything, but I can smoke them for six to seven hours. It would be smoked barbecue pork ribs. Wow. What the sides? Sides? You gotta go with collard greens. What's a collard greens? They're like this stewed, like they're gorgeous. You mean like the spring greens? They're like kale. They're closer to kale. Kale or chard? They're a bit more like chard, no? No, it's more like kale, but they, you know, they take the flavor in a great

way. You usually put them in a pot and you start with like some chicken stock and maybe, and you also got to have a piece of smoked meat. Yeah. Usually it could like ham or something. Oh, a bit like ham, but then it's more like a cabbage. Like a ham hock or something. Yeah, yeah.

You put it in there as well. Let it all stew in there with garlic and whatever seasonings you want. A little sugar is the secret. That's one of the things I always do. And also, yeah, tell me about the smoked meat, all of it, and you just let it simmer and boil down till it gets a little soft. And it's really, really beautiful.

So I will have that as well. You just gotta have some choices of hot sauce there. You gotta put a little vinegar in there as well. Have that on the side. What's your carb? My carb, the funny thing is I'm not a carb heavy person yet. I would go for some like a seven cheese mac and cheese. Oh, what do you mean seven cheese?

Let me tell you something. Mac and cheese, you have some macaroni noodles, whatever that is, with butter and you just, you may get some cheddar and some Colby and some all these different cheese, some Munster, whatever this is with butter and you just you may get some cheddar and some Colby and some all these different cheese mountain some mustard whatever whatever you've got in your fridge layer it with some cheese it's the best thing in the world okay and don't pass so you don't make it put it in a skillet put it in a okay so but don't so you just grate the cheese in rather than make a cheese sauce yeah grate the cheese in oh so it all bakes together yeah put some breadcrumbs

on top because you want a little crust as well. Oh my goodness. Think about seven cheeses at least. No less than seven. And you put that baby in there and you bake it and it's all oozing and melting together and you take it out. I want to tell you it's the best thing in the world. That's what you have. Okay, seven cheese mac. I'm just thinking maybe you should be the new voiceover for M&S. There we go. You do have the greatest voice. I feel like you should be like, this is not just. This is not just mac and cheese. This is seven cheeses.

Seven cheeses at M&S. Also an individual singleton. That's the thing that I love the most about M&S is when I lived here, I can always just get like half a sandwich or just a little bit of a sandwich. Oh yeah, you can. You can't get that in America. You gotta buy the whole goddamn thing. Who fucking wants a whole sandwich though? Wow. You know when you don't want the full sandwich, you're like-

I want the fucking full sandwich. I know. Now, do I have dessert? Yes. Dessert would have to be, I'm not a huge chocolate fan. I'm very traditional when it comes to desserts. I like a very simple, I think it would be a very simple apple pie.

I love an apple pie. Alamode. Alamode, absolutely. With like French vanilla or something like that. And even maybe like a piece of cheddar cheese on the side because I don't know what it would be like. I'm not sure. It goes well.

Exactly, it goes well. It's good. So I feel like it would be apple pie. That's my favorite. That's your mom made. My mom, my mother made sweet potato pies. Never pumpkin. Something about it, something about like, it seems like an African-American culture,

sweet potato was more the standard for pies. Did she put marshmallow? On top, yes, she put the little baby marshmallows on top. Yeah, exactly. On cinnamon? Absolutely. It's enough to give you a heart attack. Absolutely, yeah.

So yeah. I was going to do it for Christmas Day. Yeah, exactly. And cinnamon? Absolutely, it's enough to give you a heart attack. Absolutely, yeah. So yeah. I was gonna do it for Christmas day. Do it. Sweet potato pie? I just thought it'd be nice. Well, I guess I'm coming back. Sweet potato pie, do it. Before we let you go, and I don't really want you to go.

No, can you stay for a little? I would love to. Can you please give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere? Because I'm happy you're sad. A nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere, because I'm happy you're sad. A nostalgic taste. Here's the nostalgic taste. I have a picture of my mother, who was truly my best friend.

And it's her in the kitchen. And she, I remember this image too, because she's wearing sort of like a tank top that I remember she got up we went to church or something came home and she would usually strip down to her slip you know back when women wore slips and then she was like it was really hot because it was hot yeah she was cooking and then she got out of it and literally my mother is in her bra and shorts because it was so hot.

But I grew up, you know, so she's wearing like, you know, one of those cross your heart bras. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing sexual about it whatsoever. But she's standing in the kitchen and she is with a fork frying chicken. And I remember her sitting, she told me, come in, I wanna show you something.

And she was still showing me with care how you fry chicken. Because it was very important for her, for her kids, to learn how to cook and take care of themselves. And I remember just sitting there, and it was such a happy memory of just watching the grease pop a little bit, and just my mother with the rag over her shoulder, and turn the fried chicken, and take it out when it was hot,

and put it on some paper towels. She said, you remember you have to make sure the grease all runs off there or whatever. And then she would say, you want a taste? Because you know, it was a thing like you didn't eat until you were at the table. But she said, you want a little taste? And so she would give me a little chicken wing. A little chicken. She would give me the wing, which is why I naturally gravitate toward the wing at all times. I love wings.

They're sweet. They're sweet and it holds all the flavors. So she would give me the wing and I sat there and I just felt like I was getting a little treat because I was the first person to get a little bit of the chicken. So it's always fried chicken. So I think that's why I even love,

when I usually go home and I've been working for a long time, more than likely I probably, maybe that's what I'll do this Christmas. I'll go into the kitchen. And I'll fry some chicken so I feel close to her. When did she pass away? In 2006. Oh, Coleman, I'm sorry.

That's such a beautiful memory. Thank you for sharing that with us. Oh, of course, of course. I mean, I think, and I think maybe that's also the draw of me wanting to come here. I see how close you are and how you cook together. And it's inspiring for people and especially for people who have had losses and they long for that sometimes. That's true. And you find ways, I'm sure, as we, you know, we won't all be here forever,

but you find ways to, I have my mother's name tattooed on my arm. What was her name? Her name was Edith. Edith. And my production company is called Edith, so I like to say her name all the time, it's because I know she still lives,

and by having a practice, especially when it comes to food, I have these little moments, even mentioning ribs, my mother made the best ribs, and she taught me how to make all the things that I love to cook for people and for me that memory is fried chicken and watching her on a hot summer afternoon and a bra and shorts and She took her her wig off as well and her hair is just natural and she looked her most beautiful.

I always thought she looked her most beautiful when she wasn't in a wig and makeup. You know, and I think that... Did she always wear a wig? She only wore a wig when she went out because she just wanted to... she was such a lady and she just wanted everything set. Everything was very set. My mother was a pure lady in many ways. Were you a churchy family? We were not a churchy family. She Were you a churchy family? We were not a churchy family. She came from a churchy family,

but she inspired us to find our own path when it comes to religion or anything like that. So she encouraged us to do what makes you feel good. Was she just incredibly proud of you? I mean, did she see you? Everything about this whole journey has been because of you. I mean, did she see you? Everything about my, this whole journey has been because of her. And it's funny, I think I'm not a person that likes to sort of anglicize people or say, oh, they were this, but she really was my greatest influence. She taught me how to be curious. She taught me how to try new things.

And she wanted me to dream and just like, you know, hey, do whatever, do, do it makes you feel good as long as you're being a good person, you know? So I feel like everything that I have is because of what she poured into me and believed in me. But she's still there. Always. She's, she's so close to me. Yeah. So close that I know that she's with me.

I do believe that I do believe she's with me. Um, and I feel it. And that's why I feel it, feel it so strongly sometimes. In the new year, will everything be focused on the awards season now? You have the- No, because I also have to go to work too. It's like, awards season, it's funny,

it takes up a lot of your life, but you also, I also work in between, like even last year when I was on this awards campaign, I also had to go back to finish The Madness, and I started a movie about Michael Jackson at the same time, playing Joe Jackson. So I was doing that and then going to award shows and doing press.

So it's kind of, I wish I had the luxury to just do one, but it doesn't seem to be my makeup. And I know how to manage it. And at some point you're gonna be exhausted. That's just the truth. But next year I started a few films. I'm doing one with Mr. Steven Spielberg, which is great.

He's a beautiful human being and we're gonna do a film. I start that at the top of the year. I go back to my show, Euphoria. Well, I wanted to ask, so it is coming back. Yes, it's coming back. Have you read any of the- I haven't read, but he's told me about some of it. And it's really, it's gonna be groundbreaking.

I mean, you haven't watched it. It might be triggering for the first episode, but you gotta keep going. It's like, when I watched it, I was like, oh my God, I have a daughter and I have two sons. This is really, is this how it's gonna go? It's about young people in high school. I don't know, I'd love it.

But you have this... It's a little racy, it's a little racy. It's about a young addict, played by Zendaya. Who you have a direct relationship with. Yes, and I play her as a sponsor. Yeah. Such a great- Okay, I must watch it.

You gotta watch it. Yeah, I definitely will. Binge that next, binge that. Which one is it on, Jess? Oh God, it's quite- Well, I know it would not- I think you may just be like- Too much sex.

Upset of the world. Too much sex? Or is it- It's a lot of sex I know it would not like... I think you may just be like... Too much sex. Upset of the world. Too much sex? Or is it a lot of sex? It's beyond, it's quite, there's like, brutalizing. Yeah. But there's a reason for it, you'll get to it. And then you'll get to some special episodes

in the center where it's just like me and Zendaya sitting in a diner talking. Okay. And that won't be triggering at all. You can even watch that out of context and you want to get some contextualization of the show, watch the special episode with just me and Zendaya in a diner.

It's called Trouble Don't Last Always, the episode. Okay, and is this on Netflix? It's on HBO in the States. So what is that here? I think it's on Sky. I think it's Sky Atlantic. It's Sky Atlantic. Oh, I'll watch it then.

You are fantastic in it. You're fantastic in everything. You are. Thank you. Do you think the film will be nominated for an award? You know what? When do you find out? You know, you find out, you know what's funny?

I keep dates out of my head because I just try to deal with what's in front of me. But I know, I think in January, the beautiful thing is I have hopes for the film because I think of the messages of the film. I have hopes for the film because I think of the messages of the film. I don't feel this way about everything, but I feel like if this film gets a nomination or even a win, it's incredible for everything about it.

The way we've made the film when it comes to the financial parody, because everyone in the film owns the film. Equal pay. Oh, fantastic. I feel good. It'll tell the universe and the industry about what we want to amplify and stories about people like this hanging on to hope in a place like prison. For me, it's like it all goes towards all the messages of the film. If my work's honored, Clarence's work, our ensemble, you name it. So I'm one of those people. I will never be an actor who said, you know, I think a lot of people will sit here and say, oh, they don't matter.

I'm like, it does matter because it matters for more amplification of more stories like this. You know, so, you know, it's recognition so you can keep singing songs and playing music. And you're like, if there's analytics and acknowledgement that means something to systems, and if it helps amplify and push it forward, I say, why not? I'm very proud of the

work. I just didn't even know about the RTA till I saw the first. Did you know about it? No I didn't but I know that there was a Rolling Stone article or something. Esquire magazine. Esquire like years ago about it but I mean you know it's important stories like that that need to be told and it's such an honor to meet you, but also just I'm thrilled for you that everything, it feels like it's your world and we're all gonna be a part of it. And we can't wait to see everything else that you're in and you're just a superstar.

So thank you for taking the time when it's so close to Christmas and you have much better things to do. You slept over here and you're going home tomorrow. Thank you, but this is a perfect send off and a perfect way to go into the new year. Deal with you and break bread. Thank you so much. Thank tomorrow. Thank you, but this was a perfect send-off and a perfect way to go into the new year. Deal with you and bring bread. Thank you so much.

Thank you. You're beautiful. Well, mum, are you in love? Completely, besottedly in love. I feel, I kind of feel I've adopted him as my son. I'll be rooting for him now for every award. And if he doesn't win, I'll have the disappointed face. Coleman Domingo is, that is generosity with the answers and just the way that he came in. He's at the end of a mad, grueling press tour and he's made time to come over here so close to Christmas. He's just completely adorable.

I absolutely loved it. I love him. I think that, you know, the work he's put in, at the end he told us he was 55 and we were like, sorry, what? Yeah. He's been... He's timeless. He's a working actor that is now finally getting his flowers. I mean, he's been getting them for a while,

but it's just, it's, and it's so deserved. And it's really exciting to see where he goes next. But Sing Sing, please go and watch it. It's incredibly tender, beautiful, powerful film. And it's an important film. It's really important. And you know how- What are you doing with your phone? Coleman's like text me,

but I've just looked at the picture of him for his text message. How cute. Let me see. Him as a little kid, looking pretty dandy and starlish then. Look at the smile. So cute. Coleman Domingo, you're my new best friend.

You can watch Coleman Domingo in Sing Sing or The Madness on Netflix or Rustin or Euphoria. He will definitely win an Oscar. He's just wonderful. Anyway, thank you for listening. We love you, Coleman Domingo, and we'll see you next week. You