Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - David Baddiel

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

We are joined by the Three Lions maestro this week, comedian and writer, David Baddiel! For the man with many strings to his bow, mum made latkes which were a big hit. We spoke about his new series ��Cat Man’ and why cats deserve more airtime, his perfect ‘Full English’, his love of curries, being kidnapped for the greatest meal of his life, his allergy to alcohol, singing karaoke with Blur and the legacy of ‘Three Lions’. David’s limited series ‘Cat Man’ is released on Channel 4 on 16th January, so don’t miss out. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Tobermanners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with Lenny and we've matched again today. I think a bit cold, I would say. You look fab, Mum. How are you? Thanks, Donnie. I'm okay, thank you. So this is coming out in January but whilst we're filming it, we're midway through Hanukkah and we do have David Bidil coming on. So it felt only right to give him a lacquer. Yeah, I mean, Mum, the last time you did a lacquer was with loyal Kana, I think, in series one. Yeah.

And you... vowed never to do it again. Well, I cooked them on the spot, didn't I? You did. And it was so noisy, we had to stop cooking. Yes. So I've cooked them in advance. Yeah.

I've frozen them. Mm. This is all on advice of about 3,000 cooks, flash freezing. And then you put them... What does flash freezing mean? You freeze them, as soon as they're cool, you put them in, and you freeze them as quickly as possible, not in a bag. You put them on one layer, freeze them, and then put them in bags. to store them and then you'd cook them from frozen

and that's the way to avoid sogginess. Whose recipe is this that you're doing? Savan. Savan's kitchen. Yes, Savan's kitchen. I love her. And she said to do... Right, so the essence of this is that you get rid of the juice from the onion.

Never thought to do that. But you leave the water from the potatoes, which actually isn't a lot. The onion juice from three onions was nearly a bowlful of juice. Wow. So you get rid of that. threw it away and then you put flour in not maximil or breadcrumbs and with the starch from the water it makes them very very fluffy so anyway they've come out really well i hope they taste nice

have you have you tried one yeah yeah yeah they're delicious more salt than i would have thought to add do you remember when we were in new york and we went to when we were recording a series there and we went to the addition hotel yeah and we had the in shregor who had been a guest on us. And I remember having a lacquer with sour cream and that's what I've got. Smoked salmon. So I've got sour cream, smoked salmon, a little bit of caviar. I've got some apple sauce in case you wanted to go completely American. I've also done some salt beef as well in case he fancied that.

Fav. And then because I'm very eclectic and very diverse in my cultures, I've got mints pies for afters. Fab. You don't use puff pastry for your mince pies, do you? No, I made my own pastry. Oh, my. They're very short. They're crispy and very thin. So, yeah, we have David Badeel coming on, who you would know from, well, Bidil and Skinner,

from the best football song in the world. Three lines on your show. From Jews Don't Count, a really important book. And documentary. And also, now likes to be referred to as Catman because he loves cats so much. He's done a three-part series with Channel 4

devoted to cats because he doesn't think that cats get enough airtime. No, they're probably dead. And it's a very wholesome TV show where he goes around, where he walks a cat up a mountain with this lady who likes to walk her cat on a lead. My friend Eva used to have her cat on a lead. Really? Because it was a very expensive breed.

She never let it out unless it was a... on a lead and she took it for a walk like a dog. Hmm. I think this one just was an outdoorsy kind of cat that wanted to hike, so. But it's funny isn't it? Some people don't let their cats out of the house. They're indoor cats. I think it's quite an

American thing to have indoor cats. Well, if you live in a tower block, you'd have an indoor cat, didn't you? David Biddle coming up on table. David Biddle, thank you so much for schlepping here. Thank you, Jesse. It's lovely to be here. It's a horrible day and it took over an hour and we live in the same city.

Yeah, but you're north. Yeah, and you're south, aren't you? Why do you sport Chelsea then? We're really worried about that. Don't be worried about it. It's a big road flag for us, actually. Okay, I'm sorry, so it's very simple, which is I come possibly from the first generation

of football fans who supported their football team based on the telly rather than their locality. So six, and I remember very clearly, watching Chelsea in the FA Cup final with my brother, Iva, who you've met, who would have been eight at the time. And as, do you have brothers and sisters? I have a brother and a sister.

Okay, so I did everything that my older brother wanted me to do when I was a kid. And as soon as he got excited, because Chelsea won, they beat Leeds 2-1 in the replay of the FA Cup final. I got excited because he got excited and then we were Chelsea fans. So I'm sorry about that. You should be. I grew up in Cricklewood. I took Jesse to see Chelsea, an F-A-Cut replay. We support United.

Support United. Manchester United. I'm from Manchester. Thank you, sir. Before you start. Someone pissed on my car wheels. Oh, when was this? When was this?

I was just parking the car. And then they gobbed on the window screen. When was this? This was probably... No. No, it was in the 90s. We actually went on Boxing Day when we sat next to David Beckham. I know.

He was in like the seats in a pub. Yeah. And we sat there. That was a different game, though. And as I took my tiny children, these men shouted. out, fuck off you cump, back to Manchester. Oh, wow.

Wasn't me, wasn't you? We've always loved Chelsea after that. I've always loved the word cunt too. Maybe that's where it came from. I know he died. Yeah, yeah, that's a nice moment. Lovely to hear. We're just, we're just sparring with you at the moment. It's fine. There are some Chelsea fans who, yeah, would be very fond of the word cunt.

Yeah. And, you know, I mean, actually I am fond of it as well, but probably not in the football hool hooking context. But I'm sorry about that. More in like the cunty context? Yeah, more in the, I hate it. Sorry, I'm sorry, Jenny. Jenny. Lennie. I'm pulling myself laughing. Actually, can I just ask? I was talking to my wife about this. I said, she's called Lenny. And I said, I mean, this is my old-fashioned movie. I said, that's a bloke's name. It is. So why are you called Lenny? Ah, okay. Actually, my wife did say this. Yeah, my real name's Helena. Or actually, Helena, I've got an accent on my e, which I only discovered late in life.

Like, Helena. Helena. Helena. Yeah, like a French. Called as everyone is, who is Jewish after a dead person that I don't think my father had ever met. Right. But it was my grandfather's auntie Helena. You said it three different ways now, Leigh. Yeah. My dad said, we can't call her that. Let's just call her Lenny the Lion.

Lily the Lion? Yeah. And it was after Lenny the Lion. And that's my tag on me on Twitter. Oh, right. No, I do, definitely. Have you discussed that before, sorry, on this podcast? No, not the accent.

No one's ever asked why you called Lenny. But it's kind of quite a cool name now. He's kind of... Dead, trendy now. Adrogynous names. Are you, Lenny as in with a Y? I.e. I. Yeah.

Because with a Y would be quite blokey. Although there is Lenny Bruce. Lenny Bruce. Yeah. Lenny Henry. Lenny Henry. Heidi Klum's daughter's called Lenny. Oh, really?

Alison Roman, a great chef, called her cat after this Lenny. Oh, really? Yeah. Lenny's a good name for cat. Has a cat named after, which is kind of a brilliant segue. What a segue. It's a cat man. Yeah, I'm Catman.

How the fuck did you get a three-parter on cats? That is remarkable because it shows the respect that Channel 4 have for you, how much you adore cats that you could talk about them for three hours. I'm so impressed that you, like, telly doesn't really get made anymore. They're all doing reboots of things like Gladiators is back, which we're thrilled about actually in that house. But like a three-parter, it's incredibly gentle, sweet telly. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I'm doing a drama as well for Channel 4 So there's an original drama They don't get made anymore either About cats? No. Okay. That's a cyclological thriller. No?

No. I'll tell you what it's about. Okay. Tell us about cat man. So the cat thing, I've been maybe every conversation I've had with the TV commissioner over the last 30 years about other stuff.

At the end of it, you know, they say you'll probably have been in this situation because you do lots of stuff. You're a pop star, but you also create all sorts of stuff. They say, have you got any other ideas, right, at the end of it? And I always say, yeah, there should be a TV show about cats. And they're like, ha, ha, ha, that's a joke, right?

And like, no, no, you know, there are always TV shows about dogs. Like, endlessly, there's a show about dogs. The earliest television had shows about dogs in it. They've been going on since the sort of 50s and 60s. At the moment, you've got, and these are all great shows, by the way. But you've got Alison Hammond doing for the love of dogs. You've got Pete Wicks doing a dog show, whatever. I remember when I was a kid, Barbara Woodhouse, did shows about dogs.

Never been a show about cats. It's unbelievable. Never been a show about cats. Joe Brand did a kitten rescue thing, I think, on Channel 5, and I love Joe Brand, and that was lovely. But not a kind of proper celebration of the world's second, and actually it's getting to be first, most popular pet. And by the way, I really, really love cats.

Yeah. It's not just like I spotted a gap in the market. Name your cats for everyone. My cats at the moment, I've sadly lost one. I know. Is that Sherman Meow? No, chairman of me, we went a long time ago. Okay.

But the cats that we have at the moment, Pip died at the, the start of the series. I'm so sorry. That was really sad. How old was she? 15. She was the mum of the... Oh, the ones that I have now

who are Tiger and Ron, who are brothers from her first litter, and Zelda, who is their half-sister, and who is kind of semi-feral because we gave... Tiger and Ron are incredibly nice, just blokey cats, especially Tiger, possibly the nicest being of any species I've ever met, Tiger. Lovely bloke does this a lot.

They love that you call your cat a bloke. He's very... Those two are very blokey. Ron is a sort of strange bloke. Tiger's a nice bloke. It's part of my whole thing. My whole shtick with Catman is cats are very individual.

They're more like humans, I think, than dogs, although I know not very much about dogs. Well, dogs are very, very nice. Well, can I push back on that immediately? Tiger, what they are is like humans. So some humans are very selfish, some humans are very nice. They're very individual cats. So Zelda is quite selfish,

but to be fair to Zelda, Zelda was given to my mum, right? when she was a kitten, because Pip had two litters, right? Because she was a bit of a slag. And she kept on having sex. And we kept on saying, we must get a newt it. And she would just have sex so quickly. It wasn't the bloke's problem, was it? Well, it's unfair of me.

Yes, that's very unfair. You know what? I don't know him because he's just some top cat. Well, ma'am, I thought it was, okay, can you clear this up for me? Right. Can cats get impregnated by different male cats? Yeah. And have all different. And have all different.

So one litter, one litter might be a load of different dads. No, I don't think so, because I think if their biology is, and I'm not, don't quote me on this, the same as sort of all mammal biology, even if there's, I'm sorry, there's quite a lot of cats bunk knocking about. It's only still one egg and one sperm that's going to. But there are, there is one egg. No, but there can't be one egg because you wouldn't have more than one. No, they're all twins.

They're like twins, aren't they? Well, not when you have five. Yeah, I thought those. Emma Freud's just. The idiots guy. Emma Freud's cat sex. I know, she's just had loads of kittens. She's just had loads of kittens.

We should do like a late night cat man about the act on. One thing I should be clear about cat man is I love cats. It's a big celebration of cats. I'm not an expert on cats. No, absolutely not. Yeah, and we do in fact speak to a cat behaviourist and a cat historian, but we don't clear up any of these mysteries. Can we just like any of the shit? Emma's a vet. Emma's a vet. Emma's a vet.

Emma, my niece. That was used to me. Emery Freud loves a cat, though. She loves a cat, and she should have been on the show, but we couldn't. We had already got so many people, because it turns out there's a huge, you know, bubbling, whatever, of people who want to talk about cats, who never got the chance on, don't it? You did have Jonathan Ross on, who was less interested in cats. That's true, but I wanted with Jonathan to talk a little bit about the cat versus dog thing, because he's got those notes of dogs, but he also less well known. I knew it, always had Bengals as well cats.

And so I wanted to have him on to talk a bit about that. Hang on, so have we, anyway, Zelda. I just want to finish. Zelda, yeah, finish, sorry, and then we're going to clear up. So Zelda may or may not be Rod a Tiger's half sister. I think she is. And we gave her as a kitten because we already had enough cats to my mum. Then my mum sadly died.

Then my dad sadly got dementia. And Zelda basically lived with another cat called Connie in the garden whilst the carers, who looked after my dad, because he never went into a home. He was looked after by carers at home. Ted's not. He had so much on their hands with my mad dad, who didn't go into, he was like, I've talked about this.

a lot. He basically had a type of dementia which meant he turned into a very extreme shouty, sweary version of himself, not a quiet man. They have so much on their hands, they just let the cats live in the garden and they fed them. So when Zelda came back to us when my dad died, it wasn't like a long-lost family.

It was like, unless I missed an episode of long-loss family where the mum hisses at the daughter and chase around the cupboard, it was carnage. And it kind of remains carnage in the house between Zelda and the other two cats. Although they sort of tolerate each other now, for a long time she had to live upstairs and I'll finish this with just a very nice thing

which is that Mawena my wife who loves cats but not like I do has totally fallen in love with Zelda because Zelda now sleeps on our bed and my wife has had the opportunity to fix this broken biscuit of a cat with love and tenderness and it's very very sweet although she bites me a lot not Mawena Zelda all your cats neutered now yeah yeah they're all new you don't know I'd love about 500 kittens but you sort of can't do that can you Okay, I'm just, I just need to clear up how cats like, can it, because I think we all need to know this now. Yeah, we do need to know.

Do cats can have kittens from one, what did you put? One egg. No. Oh, no. Kittens in a litter usually come from multiple eggs, not just one. And they can even have different fathers. Okay, in one litter. Super fecundation, it's called.

Wow. Fertility, darling. Okay, fine. Okay, so that's really interesting. I didn't know that. And me and my daughter spent ages trying to work out. Did she not just bloody Google it? No.

It was one little black one and the rest were ginger. Because a female cat, gone. That was because Pitt was many colours and her husband would have been many colours. Dolly, whose cat was Pitt, rather hoped that it was the same cat, the same male cat for both litters, not many, many different ones in the one litter. This is interesting because a female cat releases several eggs over a few days with each mating potentially triggering ovulation and fertilisation by different male sperm. Right.

Well, identical twins from. a single egg or possible, most kittens in litter are like fraternal twins developing from separate fertilised eggs. Oh wow. So Roland Tiger might not even be brothers. I hate to break that to you. Oh, they're half brothers. They might be half brothers. Yeah, but they've got different dads. They're all

in the same womb though. They were definitely all in the same womb. Yeah. There was no IVF or whatever going on with a... But I'll tell you one thing which makes me wonder if it was the same dad or is that Pip is polydactyl, or was polydactyl. Which I mean, she has more than five digits.

on her course. She has about six. Ron, I think, has seven. Ernest Hemingway only had polydactyl cats and he had 38 cats, something like that. Why did he only have them? He liked the idea of polydactal cats. They have got a certain personality, I think.

Oh, really? They're quite unusual. I think they're just like basic four. Yeah. I think Ron, I'll show you a picture in a minute. Yeah. Ron has got the most massive paws and can open things and whatever.

He's like a boxer, isn't it? Yeah, sort of like baseball gloves. Yeah. And he's got, I think, maybe seven digits on his, on his hands. And so that's a genetic thing, right? It was carried through from the mum. So that could suggest that it was only one line. David, do you get people getting in touch with you who've got cat fetishes? Well, just recently it's happening. Why don't you mean my fetishes? I'll tell you where I was in LA with Hannah. I'm loving this episode. I went into this manicure place. Okay. And there was the

girl and she had a nose. She'd had her eyebrows done and little things in her head and she looked like a cat. She was a cat woman. And I looked at her. I thought she was in fancy dress or something. She wasn't. She was dressed as if she was a cat and she'd altered. She'd had some plastic surgery to make herself look like a cat. This isn't like the local nail salon. No, yes. Her local man. And she'd had some implants here to me. Well, I talked a bit in the show about the attractiveness of cats. I thought, I think in the show too, I say, look, they're so beautiful and we think they're very beautiful. But is that weird? Is that weird that as a species we're kind of attracted to another species and that might be this woman's thinking.

Wow, you need to get her if you get it recommission, mate. You need to go to this now, Sam. It's end for nails in Eagle Rock. That would be, a deal with the bat-shir cat people. Exactly. But when I looked at her, I didn't even know what to say. I could barely speak. I can't settle.

I felt like, was it definitely cat? Oh, yeah, definitely had her face altered. No, it was definitely had her face altered. Had she not just had a really bad browliss? No, you know how those some people get horns put in. Like, she'd have that, yeah, devil people. She'd have a face altered. And then she'd got whiskers and everything put on.

Really? It was so bizarre. You need to get to that lady. I do, but I'm not as fanatical about cats as that. But I bet people are going to start all the cat fetish people will. But what do you, when you say cat fetish, what are you thinking about? I think people who want to be cats. You know, there are people that dress like cats and they're known a meow.

You know, if you identify, a cat. What websites are you on, Lenny? No, they have this at Emma's school where a child they're identified as a cat and only me me yelled. There was some news about that. I'm not sure I believed it. It's one of those things, identification or whatever.

But I mean, you know, a child deciding they want to be a cat, I think that happens like for about two days. I'm just going to sort of a few things. Yeah, my kids hasn't been original enough to like, they're just... My children love the cats actually. The cats are a massive, massive part of our family. We would sort of discuss what we talk about the most in our family

the other day and it's like number one is the cats. That's so lovely. When did you, so did you start getting cats when you had children? No, no. You had them before. So one of the reasons that I'm obsessed with cats is that I had a very weird family upbringing which I talked about in my book and I did a show about it as well because basically my mum was having an affair with a golfing memorabilia salesman and transformed her house over to golf memorabilia. And meanwhile my dad was a kind of mad Welsh working class bloke. He refused to accept this stuff happening. And so there was a lot of weird emotional sort of things that were wrong going on in my house.

But a place that was clearly a sight of just pure affection. And particularly for my dad, he was like couldn't show affection to us or to his wife, was towards the cat. Fompha, as she was called. Fonfer. Fonfer, yeah. It was my dad's word for purring, basically. It was kind of an onomatopic word for purring. So he would pick her up and say, oh, you're fomfering.

You're fomfering, aren't you? And it's kind of Jewish-ish. Is it like Yiddish? It's not Yiddish. The word he made up, but it's got Yiddish element. Oh, it's great. And fomfer was really like the only part of our house that felt like, oh, there's pure affection here. And that's, I think, what got me really, really into cats.

Do you think, I mean, forgive me for kind of psychoanalizing as well, but like, you're a, you started as a comedian. You're incredibly intelligent. Cambridge, lots of first, double, you know, rainbox, all of that. But like being funny in the house, isn't there a correlation with when you want to entertain and make people laugh, maybe because it was a tough time in your house? Maybe it or not.

I think, well, my stuff about my family that I've talked about, particularly the book, it's called My Family, the Memoir, is, I think, a sort of, it's a love letter to a very damaged upbringing. So it's not like a misery memoir. It's about how funny it was there. And it's a kind of celebration of having a very, very damaged upbringing. And in that way, it's very different from, say, spare by Prince Harry. For example, it sort of loves how ridiculous it was in my house.

And the thing that gives me the ability to do that is comedy. There's a quote at the front by Julian Barrett, who used to be in the Mighty Bouch, which is to really take the piss out of something you have to love it. And I very, very fundamentally believe that and think that we live in a time where comedy is constantly being like people frame it in completely the wrong way because most of the time people are not, when they laugh,

they're not weaponising something, they're enjoying something. And so when I talk about my family, I'm mainly loving the fact that I can laugh about it. But without that, yeah, I'd be very fucked up. How did your family feel about the memoir? Well, they were both dead, my parents, when I wrote it, Iva, my brother, said, because I talked about it. It was a show, actually. I did the show first.

I did it in the West End for two runs. It was just after my mum died. And my mum died quite suddenly. And I said to my brother, I want to do a whole stuff about, particularly about her and the golfing memorabilia love. She was deeply in love with this golfing memorabilia salesman. Did you meet him? Yeah, he was there all the time. He was at my house all the time.

Came to my bimitsvah. David Wye. He's recently done. Who did your mum describe him as at the bimitza? No, no. I knew him by then. He was around all the time. He was endlessly round at our house.

The book begins with me being taught golf by him in the back garden. I sort of deliberately make the book sound like it could be worse than it. Because I said, there's a strange man behind me, and he's holding my hips, and I don't really know what's going on. And then I say, this isn't, don't worry. It's not, it's not abuse or not a straightforward type of abuse. He's trying to teach me how to play golf. What was your theme for your bar mitzvah?

Theme. Yeah. Didn't have a theme. I was in like 1970, whatever. I'm still in 1964. I was born, so 1978. Did you get to choose the spread? No, we didn't have the money for that sort of thing.

Basically, I got, I don't remember much about it, except it was at the St John's Wood New London Synagogue. Oh, yeah, nice. Thank you. Muftia and Haftora. Does this mean anything to anyone? You? Do you know what that means?

Yeah, just said her to miss two years ago. Okay. So we are talking about Jewish stuff and I was thinking, I was thinking to myself, no, no, it's not a bad thing. It's a good thing. But I was thinking, is it going to be Jewish food? And for anyone who doesn't know, these are lukers, that's smoked salmon and this is salt beef, right? Yes. Or brisket?

Is it salt beef or brisket? Yeah. And so, well done. You've gone top due with the food. You really have. I really want the lachers. I can't really have these near me anymore without eating. Yeah, do it.

You just keep eating. Take loads. Yeah. It's amazing. What's this? A lumpfish. That's some caviar. Wow.

These have got like a fluffiness about them. Just have chie. So my daughter made luckers, I know. I know they're good. I'm sure they're good. Do you make luckers? Is that a thing you do? No, we did it in series one of the podcast and it created so much noise.

That is a delicious. They're really good lacquer. These are great. They are. This is definitely my best ever. But I caught them over two days and froze them. They're amazing. Because I couldn't.

That's a bit of jurist guilt there for you. She did take two days on these days. Just in case you weren't aware of that. And I did wear my shower cup as well. These are so good. Because they've been marinated for two days. That's so good. I mean, food is a big deal in our house.

Let me try the brisket. Brisket. I mean, what's the difference between brisket and salt beef? I don't really know the difference. It's salt beef, really. It is salt. And actually, it's from M&S. Oh, is it?

You didn't make this. I couldn't find salt beef locally. We live in the diaspora. I now have so much. much like salt beef in my teeth. The best salt beef or pastrami or stuff is in New York. I know it's a cliche.

But cats, you know that deli in New York? It is amazing. The pastrami and salt if you get that. You like Russ and daughter, don't you? I prefer Ross and Daughters. Where's that? New York. Russ and daughters? I don't know it.

But cats like, you're basically getting a whole cow. Yeah, I know, I like that. It's crazy, isn't it? I like that. I like the sort of wobbling, enormous. cuts of meat that they carve off. I shouldn't because for years and years

and years, particularly because my daughter is a vegan, I've thought I should be a vegan. It's definitely right. It's the right thing. And then I eat a cat sandwich and it's gone. I'm sorry. I basically in my head totally think I should be a vegan and in my stomach. I fail.

But do you eat at home quite vegetarian, vegan? Do you cook? Yeah, I cook, but my children are such good cooks. my son is a professional cook now where does he work? So he works at Morrow

Oh wow He's favourite He's really good Like head of the grill At Morrow He's 20 That's amazing Actually he's 21 now

But he was 20 When that started He's a pretty You go there a lot Quite a lot And actually he'll He'll slip me food Sort of

I don't have to like Go for a whole meal He'll just stand at the counter I'll just stand at the counter I'll just sit at the childhood Well my mum was a terrible cook I didn't know that until I tried other food

and that was probably not till I was quite old like when I was about 14. Is this the avocado that changed your life? My mate Dave Gavrid who's in a band called The Sundays. You know the Sundays? I don't. You should listen to them.

They were a really, really amazing, big indie band in the 90s. They did three albums and they decided to just stop. They just didn't want to do it. They didn't want to be kind of a huge indie band. Although they're really great. and Dave, I was in a band with him when I was young. What do you play?

I played guitar and piano. Right, hit songs. Yeah, well, I've co-written the lyrics to a hit song, which is good. But Ian Brody, you know, he's the musical Jesus of that song. But anyway, Dave Gavrin, so we lived in what I would say is a slightly grim, lower middle class house in Dollis Hill. Dave, my mate, lived in a nicer house in Wembley Park and he gave me an avocado when I was about 15 and honestly it was like a eureka moment for me

I'd never tasted anything like I didn't really know they could exist or that a type of taste like that could exist and my mum Oliver Shollah, God rest her soul you know she wasn't a great cook and she mainly did a soup and you know Jewish mothers's chicken soup I love a nice chicken soup when my mum's was an enormous fat of water

that every so often she would throw throw in like a claw. A claw and some barley. And she dished that up and call it chicken soup. And all the meat she ever cooked was like, it'd been cooked for like five days and it was so dry. Boiled. Yeah, boiled or whatever.

But I didn't know when I was a kid. I just thought this is what food is. It's difficult. There was a thing that people used to say, or my auntie Ruth used to say, which was quite old because Auntie Ruth was not an auntie. She was about the only person in my parents' circle who wasn't Jewish. She was so not Jewish.

is she'd been in the Hitler youth when she was young. But Archie Ruth, very nice woman. Oh, my God. Used to say, when my mum used to do dinners, she would say when the potatoes come out, oh, she was German. Oh, she's made those potatoes again. And that's an interesting thing to say,

because it could mean they're good or bad. Do you know what I mean? It's like when you go backstage and you say, you've done it again because, you know, it could mean anything. And she was a bit like that with my mum's potatoes because they were questionable. What my mum did was cut them really small

and then bake them for too long so they were crunchy but you know a roast potato should be crunchy on the outside but fluffy. There's no fluff in my mum. It's just crunched just hard crunched yeah. She made an effort though she tried lesser honestly she tried and I'm fond of the memory of my mum's cooking even though it was terrible

but I love food now Do you like to eat out? You like a curry? I love a curry is probably my favourite. Are we allowed to say where your favourite curries? Do you go to Tyab's?

Pardon? No, that's not near him. No, but he goes to one on the commercial road. There is one on the commercial road. I really, really like this. The Hawkebab House. I haven't been there for ages. I used to love that.

What was your order? The Hawkebab House. The Hawkebab House, they mainly have just like that, or they do it in my day. It's like a canteen, and you just say that one. And it would normally be like a Lambdras or something. There's a place called Darz,

near me, that it's really good. And there's about four or five. There's another one called Rajdu. I mean, there's been a thing in recent years, which is Deliveroo and Uber Eats, which means I don't go out to eat as much as I use it because it's very nice. Every Saturday we do that as a family. What was your last Saturday order? It was Chinese, actually.

Well, what's your order on a Chinese? I'm really getting into Chinese now. Okay, so Chinese, I have gone from very standard stuff, duck and blah, blah, to do you know there's some Chinese restaurants, which are normally their menu is in Chinese, and they'll have dishes that are called things like umbrella clouds with puffin juice. Have you ever seen that? No, not, I'm making it up. Not that specifically.

There's something called Chairman Mouse pork, for example. Okay, I've never seen that. Chairman Mouse twice cooked pork. That's definitely a real thing, which is this kind of red, it's the use of type of sugar, my son can make it, and it's cubed pork, and apparently it's Chairman Mao's favorite. I don't know about Chairman Meow, who was one of my cats, but she would have liked it because cats like all food. But, so I like to try and find really unusual food that Chinese restaurants

are not the kind of Anglo-Chinese version. Has it been hit and miss? It's sometimes hit and miss, yeah. We had Harlan Coben on the podcast. I know Harlan. He's very nice work. He's so fantastic. It's a lovely boat.

It's gorgeous. And he talked about Golden China, which is a place in New Jersey, but it's not there. And his mum was a terrible cook. And it was, what was it? Prawns and Oyster Sauce. And he said he's never be able to recreate. it or get the same thing again. Okay, in the same way,

I don't know, this isn't winky, I think this is all right. Probably the best, maybe the best meal I've ever had, something better Chinese meal I've ever had. So I did a show for discovery that you won't have watched called David Bedil on the Silk Road, where I went from Xi'an in China to Istanbul talking about the Silk Road, something I knew nothing about when I started it,

but I sort of learned about it on the way. And it was brilliant, it was a four-part series. Anyway, I was in Cheyenne, which is in the middle of China, and we were in a sort of market and we were getting a lot of attention because we had a camera. And suddenly I got pulled away.

Someone literally was just pulling me away. And speaking in Chinese, and I didn't know it was a woman. I know what she was saying. And I thought at first, am I being kidnapped? Is this it? It's over.

But then I realized, no, she's a sort of middle-aged woman and she seems nice, even though I don't know what she's saying. So I said, yeah, fine. And I just went with her and I told the cameras to follow. I didn't know at all what she wanted.

And what she wanted was to give me lunch. She had like a cafe in the middle of this market area, really tight, loads of loads of people, and they were all following me, and then she took me into her cafe and sat me down and gave me a bowl of noodles with chili and huge skewers of meat

that her sons were barbecuing. And to this day, I think that's the best food I've ever had. It was so incredible. That's like your Anthony Bourdain moment. It was really Anthony Bordane. It was so... And she never said anything that I understood, by the way.

She only spoke Chinese. She didn't be any English. I think we did have someone who spoke Chinese. on the team obviously, but she wasn't interested in talking to them. What she wanted was for me to taste her food on camera and say this is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. It was so...

Do you remember the name of the place? No, no, no. Of course not. No, but I do remember the taste. I remember the taste. It was so amazing. Do you still enjoy making telly? Yeah, yeah.

A cat man. Yeah. I mean, I've just done this drama, right, for Channel 4, and I really enjoyed that. Oh, we'll have to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, of course. It's been announced. It's called Hunting Alice Bell. And it's a psychological thriller with Simon Pegg in it.

and do you know Alexander Roach, this incredible Welsh actress. Probably, maybe. Amanda Addington. It's about that, the premise of that, I'll tell you very quickly, is there was a woman, the city is a woman called Maxine Carr.

Does that name? Ring any bells? Maxine Carr. Yes, Maxine Carr was Ian Huntley's lover. Yes, yeah, yeah, right. And she gave him an alibi in the early 2000s and she went to prison for about two years. And then when she came out of prison, as is now happening,

she lives somewhere in Britain under a fake name. She's the only name. She's the only non-murderer in the history of criminology in Britain to be given a fake identity because she was so vilified by the press. And her life is under so much threat. Anyway, I saw a documentary many years ago about the fact that random women are occasionally targeted

for being Maxine Carr. Wow. You know, someone in Scumthorpe, sorry, I don't mean Scumthorpe, but anywhere. Somewhere in a small town in Britain will randomly wake up one day and everyone will have decided for no reason that they are Maxine Carr.

So in my story, it's a completely different type of crime. It's more like a Harold Shipman type of crime and Simon Pegg's playing an anaesthetist who just kills people because he's kind of got a god complex. And he has a lover who's his theatre nurse called Alice Bell and she's managed to stop the police from getting close to him for a bit

with an alibi. And all that's happened for it starts. And then she comes out of prison but you don't see her properly. She's under a blanket. And ten years later a woman is just putting her kids to bed and a brick comes through her window and it becomes clear that the town that she's in has decided that she's Alice Bell. For

no apparent reason, although the internet is feuding it and blah, blah, blah. And she's about to flee from this town with her kids and have her husband when Amanda Abington, in fact, appears and says, this is happening to me too in Scarborough. And then it turns out there are five women it's happening to. And they kind of come out fighting and like turn into women fighting back against misogyny and disinformation and the mob. But in episode two, they start to think that one of the media is out of this. Oh my God, it's like traitors.

It's like traitors. It's so funny you said that because I wrote it originally. I wrote it as a movie before it was a drama about 10 years ago. Are you playing a lot of mafia at that time? What? Mafia is like the original film like Traders. I wasn't. Right.

I just had the idea on seeing this drama, on this documentary I saw about the women it was really happening to. But then, as we literally, as we were sort of really giving up to make it, traitors is becoming such a big thing. Were you happy about that or annoyed? Both. Okay. So I'm annoyed because as a writer,

you don't want to think you've written a drama. a psychological thriller based on a game show, which we totally haven't. At the same time, it's not a bad brand. No. For a drama. People are liking it. Yeah, exactly.

So, yeah, it's kind of good and bad. So I made that over the summer. And it's been made for quite a low budget because telly's just got tiny budgets now. It's like under a million. So it was really, really hard work. But it was really great, but it was unbelievably hard. And then I went straight on to Catman.

And then in terms of answering the question, like, do you enjoy making telly? It was brilliant. It was like, oh, really hard. Brilliant. This is brilliant. I'm being paid to hang out with cats. Yeah.

That is fantastic. Yeah. I mean. And meet really interesting and unusual cats. Cat influencers. Cats that paddle board. You know, cats that go to hospitals to help people. Did you ask Harlan Cobham for any tips on how to make it as stressful as possible for your thriller, you know, drama?

I didn't. I should have done because Harlan Coben came. We screen my documentary Jews Don't Cowan in New York. And Harlan came, which is very sweet of him. But I didn't ask him. I should have asked him. You should have. Maybe you'll just get, maybe this is your only thing.

Like, I could do that and then I'd get eight Netflix series. Yeah. Whatever it is. We ask every guest, last supper. Hmm. You're not going to die. Right. I'm not going to read Jesus.

No. No. No. No. So you're going to go to a desert island for a very long time. What would be your starter, your main, your Pud, your drink of choice? Wow. Well, I might mix and match.

I don't know if anyone else has done this. What I mean by mix of matches, it wouldn't be just one genre. That's fine. So I think starter, if it's my last meal, I'm going to have to go for full English breakfast. Now, I know that will slightly screw up the rest of it. I know, and I know from following you, I sound like, Miss of Kathy Bates, I know, about black pudding. Well, no, about breakfast. So I did this.

I was on tour on my last tour, there's one before. And I noticed a thing, which is not a very original thing to notice. but if you're on tour in Britain and you're in hotels and you're in Marriott's, the first thing that you smell and you see when you come down is full English breakfast. And if you're like me, that's very difficult to resist. So I was literally eating it every day, which is really bad for me. Oh yeah, go on, look at me. No, you're not fabulous.

Well, thank you. You're very kind. But meanwhile, yes, and also my artery is probably went. But what I noticed was if I put a picture of a full English breakfast on the internet, on social media, people go mad. Like the full English breakfast police are like, Like the eggs are touching them beans. And you should use the sausage as a breakwater. And you should, and that black pudding hasn't been cooked for long enough.

People go absolutely. She's got really peculiar fans. Yeah. It's just the internet, isn't it? It's a basic bitch. The internet is a basic bitch. Yeah, I love that. Well, you, you are, you are kind of brilliant with the internet.

Like you, you're still on X, aren't your Twitter? Yeah, I'm, so for about five years, I, decided the thing to do with trolls and whatever is to treat them like hecklers. Because that is my background. And my background is if someone you don't know shouts abuse at you in the dark, you make it funny. You put them down by make it funny. So I would constantly do that. And I've built a show out of it.

My last stand-up show was called trolls, not the dolls. And it was based on all the sort of ways I've put people down who were trolls. And a kind of larger thing about how we live now and why we live in this abusive culture. but I think now it's kind of so out of control this sort of overton window of what you can say on X in particular it's been so smashed by Elon Musk so full of neo-Nazis and terrible terrible stuff

that it's kind of not worth doing that anymore there was a point where it's kind of funny and now I'm not sure it is funny and also I've got the show I've done that show I don't want to do it anymore so I'm still on Instagram and I still occasionally post a breakfast but to get back to the food if I was having my last meal

I would think, and this is very me, because it's a tiny part of me that always thinks, how can I maximise my pleasure in all times? Even though this wouldn't work together, I would think I have to eat all the food that I love because I'm never going to eat again. And one of the foods I do love is full English breakfast. I really love a full of breakfast.

What is your, is it full? Are you emitting or adding anything? Okay, sausage, bacon, two eggs, two eggs, two sausage, two bacon, always beans. Have to have beans. Some people don't like beans. I don't have to have beans. I like beans.

I like beans. Otherwise it's too dry. No, I'm not bothered about mushrooms. Tomatoes? A fried tomato, but mainly for decoration. I usually think they're quite miserable. Yeah, I'm not really very bothered with the right. Which sort of sausage?

Oh, well, so I... Sausages are important. I don't like very posh sausages. No. So my friend Hugh Dennis, do you know Hugh Dennis? So I did a bicycling show with him quite recently. Once said this thing... Was that to work off the full English?

Yeah. Once said this thing, which is that you want a sausage that lies flying. flat on a plate. You don't want one the curves up at the ends because the flat one means it's got loads of bread in it and it's cheap and that's what I want. I want a cheap, bready sausage. I don't want a richmond. Do you want?

Richmond's, the vegan sausages are actually... I know I've got them in the fridge. They're really good. In the freezing. I love them. Fried bread. Yeah. I would... And tea. I'm quite cute because I basically drink more coffee but tea with a Friday in a breakfast. But you always have... Do you have white bread toast or do you like

sourdough? No, if I'm having... Well, the other thing I often have of that type is a bacon or sausage sandwich. And that's always for me, Mother's Pride. White bread. I mean, probably isn't Mother's Pride, but white bread. I don't know if anyone can have that. That kind of sandwich with sourdough or granary is an obscenity.

I agree. Brown sauce? Yeah, brown sauce, not ketchup. No, well, actually, I think sausages ketchup's okay. Bacon, brown sauce in a sandwich. I would say, always brown sauce. Jonathan Ross once had What's that bloke?

Anthony Worrell Thompson I think it's a chef On his program On his radio show Back when Jonathan had a radio show And he asked him About what kind of sauce You would have in a bacon sandwich

And Anthony Worrell Thompson A professional chef said I think tomato ketchup And Jonathan went You're an idiot I remember thinking I agree with that No I remember thinking

I agree with that Because you've got to have brown sauce With a bacon So we're starting with a full English With a cup of tea It doesn't matter No it doesn't matter It's my last breakfast

I've starved myself for four days. Yeah, and then where are we going for the main? Well, okay, so the main... You're going to have a curry? A ruby, yeah. I think it's got to be curry. I think... So there's a thing I have.

So I play football, believe it or not still. Seven outside football. Which position? It's not really a position. It's eight-aside football. I've been playing in the same game. It's at Arsenal, on a weekday night, at Arsenal. Is Kear in your team?

No, Keir does play as well. He does play. But, no, Kear is not in the team. Vast Eaton. Prime Minister. Angus Deaton, it's a lot of quite old comedians. Angertyton, Clive Anson, Hugh Dennis. Who's the best?

Of the old comedians. I'm going to say me. Oh, are you? Are you? You're modest. Yeah. Well, it's not true. When was your last injury?

Hang on, but just to say about me being, I mean, the key thing about that game is it's been going on a long time and what we've done now is bring in sons and young people. So my son plays, who's 21, and a guy called Graham Stewart, who's the producer of the Graham Norton's show his son plays who's like 27 and they are brilliant. The sons are all like ridiculous. So they're on the wing then. Yeah, late 50s, 60 year old bloke. We've got one bloke who's 77 who plays.

Wow. And we've got like 16 year olds and 22 year olds playing. So it's kind of absurd, but it's really fun. Anyway, the reason I mention it is it's a very, very not game about health and it's not healthiness is underlined. We always go for a curry afterwards. And I have a particular curry that I always. for, which is a butter chicken but spicy, because butter chicken is normally very...

And I like the smoothness of a butter chicken, but not the blandness of it. A bland? It's too bland a butter chicken. Oh my God, it kills me. If I even have butter chicken. I ask it for it madras hot. And that is, I do that so often that other people I play with say, oh, the chicken bedel. They tell the way that that's a chicken bedil.

That's good. That sounds like a dish. Absolutely. It's lovely. Try it. Were you pissed off when Vindaloo. came out then. No, not really. No, because we killed

it. I mean, it's a good song. Fair enough. Fair enough. But it's like, did you think, I could have done a song about, it's not three lions. You're right. And also, one of the things about Vindaloo, I like Vindaloo. I think it's a good song. But it's not about football. And actually quite a lot of the songs that are competitive with Three Lions,

which are also really good, World Emotion, Vin'Loo, whatever. Great. They're not about football. Right. The world in motion is mainly just a song about love. It's got a rap in it. It has got football by John Bar. John Barth. We've got John Balls rapping it. But the main song, which is a great song, by the way. Yeah.

It's about love and whatever. And togetherness, which is very good. But it doesn't have lines in the song about Gary Linnega. Does everybody shout? Does everybody shout at you go? Is it coming home, David? During a World Cup. Yeah.

It must be. Are you going this year? You splashed out. Not at the moment. I'm too busy. But also I've been to loads of World Cups. I've been to World Cups in South Africa, Germany, Germany, Japan. Don't you feel like you could kind of have a role of, like,

advisor, kind of like Sir Alex had. where you could kind of be in his ear and be like, listen. I would love that. For morale, for morale, Cole needs to be in, Jude needs to be in. Thomas Tuckold would love that, I think. I just think, let's put it out there. I think, let's put it out there.

I think, Jesse, you call the FAA and say, I think what Thomas needs. The only thing he needs is David Badeeer, telling him who to pick. He'll really go for that. You make us happier than most England World Cups have played anyone, so there you go. Well, thank you very much.

Right, so we've got chicken badele. Chicken badele. So probably with a gnaar, a bit of rice, but I'd, sort of prefer a non, maybe like a salt bargy side dish. Yeah. That I probably won't eat. I basically eat a bit of it, but basically it's the main course that I'll eat. Drink?

Well, I don't drink now. I don't drink now, not for any, when I tell people I don't drink, oh, mint pies. Yeah, I'm so sorry. It's so multicultural. I know. That's what I said to Jesse. I love it. It's just, sorry.

Have you finished, actually? I have finished, yeah. Thank you. I hardly had any of the cabbage, didn't I? It's not. I'm understanding that you don't really eat vegetables. I like certain vegetables. Avicados.

Avicados. It's a fruit. Yeah, but like, yeah. And roast potatoes. Well, maybe, you know what? You could do the lacquer with an avocado and it would have been quite nice. Yeah, it would have been lovely. Actually, I like obejines.

So we have the mince pies. This looks like a familiar mince pie to me. Mum, can you explain what's going on her? They're mince pies. On one side, there is mince meat made by your husband. Oh, yeah. That has lots and lots of brandy in. Which he starts in like...

And the other side doesn't have any money. Okay, cool. So I didn't know. Right, so you can explain. So here's the thing. It's difficult to explain because people assume because I'm a comedian, I'm in show business, that because I don't drink alcohol, that I must have had a terrible, terrible problem with alcohol,

and that if I didn't stop it, I'll be living on some waste ground by now. But none of that is true. What happened was I used to drink a bit. And then I started to think, I'm allergic to this. Or I might be because I'd really like particularly red wine. but if I drunk two glasses of red wine what would happen is I would get and sometimes when I would explain this

people would just think David is making this up he's Jewish he loves food too much He's making this up Yes well I think that is true But what would happen is here In my kind of glands here They would start to sort of itch Weirdly and sort of like tingle weird

It'd be quite painful and horrible And here's why people didn't believe me Because I would say can we have pudding As soon as possible Because the only thing that would make it go away Was pudding I'd be like at the Ivy with, I don't know, some other comedians or whatever, and they'd make fun of me because I would say,

look, I need the pudding as soon as possible because I've got this tingling feeling here. And at the time, I wasn't sure what it was. I just thought this happens all the time. I love that you didn't think, like, oh, I need a doctor because I'm having an anaphylactic shot. I need pud. I need a tiramisu, like immediately to be injected into here. And it would get rid of it, but then I realised, oh, it's not the food.

So I used to think it was just eating that brought it on. It's the drink. because there's kind of tannins and stuff in the drink that I think irritates my saliva glands and I really didn't want to give up drink partly because I like drinking and partly because I knew that people would think I was an alcoholic.

David, if I were you, given how much I like red wine, I'd find a tablet you could take before you drank. I do sometimes do that, antihistamines. Oh, and that works. Yeah, but it's kind of weird to take antihistamines before a glass of wine. What's it, that lactose tablet? Lactate.

Lactate, people take that if they're going to have a cream. I do sometimes do that, and it does kind of. of work or I can still feel something. Can I have one of these? You can. The brandy is really coming through. Oh no, what's going to happen? In a good way. Is this the brandy ones? Yeah, I think so. But that could be also the brandy cream. Oh, is it brandy cream as well. Yeah. Okay, that's a lot of brandy. These are great. I haven't done pudding though. Pudding is a tough one because I love pudding so much. So which pudding it would be. You're going to do a mezzo. If I'd love a mezzo. Can I have a meze? Okay, so on the mezay of puddings, I think

chocolate mousse. I love a chocolate moose. I love an apple pie or an apple crumble I quite like it cold I don't they always say warm it up No I like an apple pie apple crumble cold I quite like a lemon meringue Very nice Zabalioni

Yeah they're nice I have one of them yesterday Boccalalupo Was it delicious The coffee With the egg yolk and sugar Yeah yeah I was so excited

Is it always got coffee in it I thought it was just egg yolk and sugar It's egg yolk and sugar Oh well I I had a coffee. Coffee one. Coffee one. Coffee Zabazione.

Yeah. Which was, I was like, that's so exciting. It was in like a glass kind of like small in this. It was so delicious for the first four mouthfuls. And then I was like, there's so much sugar in this.

Right. It was quite fat. You know what I might also have to have on the mezzan? Mm. A sour harrow. Oh, I love harrow. I love sour sweets. That's very Jerry Halliwale of you, by the way.

That's fine. I'm fine. I'd pick a mix for her last supper. Did she? Yeah. No, but I specifically want sour sweet. What, like tang fastis? Yeah, tang fast.

Not the ones that are mad, the ones I call things like toxic waste. No. That are made for seven-year-old. Yeah. No, just a really great sour sweet. I love that. Before we let you go, I've really enjoyed meeting you. It's been absolutely lovely.

I can't believe it's over. I know. Well, you can come back again. Do you want to stay in the night? Oh. Well, start up. No, sorry. Are you flirting?

Are you flirting with me lovely? I was going to make a cut of Ruby. That's a cut of it. curry, not any in case you're worried. What is a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere? Huh, a nostalgic taste. I think that is sweets. I think because I was obsessed with sweets when I was a kid.

There was a sweet shop near Dollys Hill Station. I used to go there every morning and buy sweets. I mean, I'm quite old, but not that old. But anyway, it was in a paper bag. A triangle one. No, they used to give you sweets in a proper paper bag from proper jazz. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had these apple drops there.

Oh, they're sour. I mean, it doesn't really answer your question because I can't find them. In my mind, that is the taste. That's my Proustian thing. If I could find those apple drops again, it would make me five years old. I'll tell you what it would make me. It would make me, who's the critic? The critic in Ratatoui.

Oh, what's his name? The critic of Ratatoui is called. What's he called? That's a great film. Antal ego. So the film is called Anto. Anto. The critic in Ratatatouis is called Anton Ego.

And the best moment in the history of cinema is in Ratatoui, where Antonego, who's a horrible critic and really nasty, comes into the restaurant and tries the rat's food. And he's going to be scornful about it. And he has the first mouthful and his fork drops to the floor. And there's a montage where he turns back into a little boy. And the little boy is crying and his mum gives him some Ratatoui. And it's so beautiful.

And that's what I think. would happen to me if I tried that apple drop. But I've never found it. I can get you a cherry drop, but I can't get you an apple one. Remember the cherry the bought they? Yeah, cherry drops used to be in a tube and were really nice as well. I love them. Yeah.

I used to have them. But I think that's the closest you're going to get. Yeah, maybe. You play guitar. Do you ever sing karaoke? I have done. Which song? Which song would you sound?

Well, unfortunately, the last time I did it, it was three lions. I'm so sorry. Yes, but I don't normally do that. So you do your own songs. I don't. Yeah, I never do that, but I'm just going to say this. I was at a party and Graham Coxon from Blur was there. Oh.

And karaoke started. And next thing I knew, Graham Coxon was doing Park Life. Stephen Merchant, who was there, was doing the Phil Daniels bit, was doing all the talking bit. And Graham Coxon was doing it. And then I thought, sorry, and then I thought I'm being too precious, aren't I? Because in a minute I know what's going to happen. People are going to say, do three lions. And I can't say no.

So I did. And it was absolutely brilliant because everyone is a rude. And once in Tokyo, I was in Tokyo for the World Cup, I found myself in a karaoke bar with, it was just me and some salary men, you know, the bloke's in Japan. They're like the businessmen that go and sing. They're not really big businessmen.

They're just sort of like worker bees who work all week. And then they go and get completely plastered in the bar. And I was with some of them, I don't know why. Anyway. Did you join their group? I was just sitting in the bar and they asked me to sing something because they were all drunk. And I did Starman by David Bowie.

And you know what? I'm not a good singer, but in my mind I sang it pretty well. Did you? Yeah, it got like a round of a course. Did they clap? They did. I don't know if they knew any of the words or anything, but they seemed to think it was okay.

Yeah. My daughter's got a brilliant voice. At my 60th birthday party, she sung, I didn't know she was going to sing. She sung Lady Starbust by David Bowry. I'm a massive David Bowie fan. And, yeah, God, it reduced me to liquid form. Oh.

It was so lovely. Do you want a bit of my Dubai chocolate? Oh. Yes. Okay. Well, whilst mum gets the Dubai chocolate, thank you so much for being on the podcast. Thank you. It's a joy.

It's been such a pleasure to meet you. The food was lovely. Good luck with Canada. Thank you. David Bidil. Fab guest. Fabi, and he enjoyed us. He loved the food, Mum.

Right at home. Yeah. It was delicious, ma'am. I would have done something more elaborate, but I thought those lacquers were exceptional. He doesn't like vegetables, so I think he did it really, really, really. well. Those lacquers were amazing. Yeah. Like, I think even my son who will not touch a potato would have that. Are they all gone? No, but they're for my party tomorrow. But I will not put

them all on. I'll save some and bring them on Saturday. Thank you. Okay. Um, delicious. Loved it. Very, very, very fun. Thank you, mum. Thanks for hosting. Thank you to David Bidil and thank you for listening and watching. If you're enjoying the podcast, you can subscribe, you can like so that you're always on top of when we're bringing out a new episode. We'll see you next week.