Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Gabby Logan

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

We’ve got a very special bonus episode for you to brighten up your Monday morning! The fabulous Gabby Logan joined us for lunch and a game of Secret Santa courtesy of Deliveroo. As well as giving each other amazing gifts, we also learned that Gabby grew up in a sporty household, trained as a rhythmic gymnast in her youth, loved trying all the different French foods in Paris for the Olympics, once cooked dinner for Mary Berry, she (fondly!) remembers the bad gift her husband once got her, and tells us all about taking Jessica Ennis to a Barry’s Bootcamp class! Thank you to Deliveroo for the gorgeous gifts, and thanks to their speedy service you can have gifts at your door in as little as 25 minutes! #Ad Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Table Manners, I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with my mum in my kitchen in New Cross. Hi darling. How you doing? I'm fine, I've got a bit of a croaky voice but I'm fine. And yet again we are matching. I'm so sorry. No, I don't know what the... maybe this means that we are... so connected. We're so connected. Psychically connected darling. But first things first, let me tell you this episode is brought to you by Deliveroo which you're going to find out is your perfect gifting partner this festive season.

You're not only going to get an episode of Table Manners with a fantastic guest this is also rather festive today, isn't it, Mum? We're preparing for Christmas, darling and you're going to find out that Deliveroo isn't just about getting a delicious meal which we use it for, it's also about getting your Christmas shopping done

delivered right to your door. I actually couldn't live without the Deliveroo app I don't think. Neither could I. I constantly use it to get supermarket groceries, however this has been the biggest game-changer that now I can also do my presents and get them on the same day. Seeing as this episode is brought to you by the wonderful delivery, we thought we'd play a little game of secret Santa with today's guest. So if you're in need of a bit of present inspiration, then this one is for you. So who's on the episode today, mum? She's a bit of an icon.

Absolutely. In the sports world. She is blonde. A football pundit. Probably my favorite football pundit. She also does coverage of all the world's biggest sporting events. She covers lots of sporting events. Her knowledge is amazing.

From the Champions League, from Champions League coverage on TNT Sport to Olympic Games on BBC, she does everything. Everything. She knows lots about sports. She's kind of got sports heritage. She's the daughter of a footballer, Welsh football Terry Yarath, and she's married to a sportsman. And she was also a former rhythmic gymnast who represented Wales and Great Britain. It's Gabby Logan and we're so excited to have her. We wanted to have her for years so it's perfect that we're doing this and also

that we're getting a present from her. Perfect, lovely. I have been cooking but I think I've made a mistake on what I've made. What do you mean? It was in New York Times, I got the email it said you're gonna die for this amazing recipe. I didn't actually look at the kind of thing where basically I'm gonna be cooking whilst you're chatting. Okay. Which is slightly annoying. Fun, we can talk sport darling. I'll get on with it. So I'm doing Andy Baragani's sticky miso salmon bowl.

It does look delish. It's like this marinade that you do with honey, miso, grapefruit zest and grapefruit juice. You haven't marinated anything. You don't know what I've done Lenny, it's marinating right now. I'm just so open the salmon. I have I have tried to de-starch the sushi rice and it's still cloudy so who knows we're probably gonna get crappy rice And you serve it with radishes, avocado, seaweed and spring onions Where did you get seaweed from? Nori's sheets Oh the sheets of it?

Yeah I like eating those without... Oh I can give you one Lenny Yeah thank you So we're having that and then I've made an apple, stem ginger, galette Because I actually can't do puddings and I'm gonna put some apricot jam on the top of it that you put in the microwave to kind of glaze it and then serve with crème fraîche. It's... it'll be fine. I think actually she's at the

door now. Gabby Logan coming up on a very special Deliveroo Table Manners episode. Table Mothers episode. Gabby Logan. Oh hello. Thank you so much for coming over here. Oh, thanks for having me. Because this is quite a schlep. No it's not, it's lovely. And it is and you did come in with, I don't know, something in the universe told us all to wear red. I don't know if it's because we knew we were doing a Secret Santa or something, but yeah, we all were in red at the beginning. You've stripped off because it's getting hot in here. So thank you so much for coming. How are you? You've already like recorded a bit, you've already done about a day's work already. Did a sports agents podcast this morning in Leicester Square so I like you know

if I'm working I kind of want to keep that energy going. Not that this is work I mean this is a treat. Okay yeah you're right it is nice. It's like this. And she's research tomorrow night's game. Well we're recording this just before United and Arsenal play. Yeah. And you're covering it. It's the prime yeah so it's research is kind of ongoing in my job. You know, you don't just I never just sit down and do an hour. You're always reading things and picking things up that might feed into the next thing you're doing. So I don't if I've got a bit of time, like 20 minutes, half an hour where I'm waiting

somewhere. I just am reading up. Basically, I mean, we're United fans and it's quite sad times for us. It's not. But it's, I mean, maybe we're coming out. No, but it's not fab. Yes. Fabber.

Fabber. Yeah. I think you're on the turn. You are. Do you really, do you think? Yeah, definitely. Marcus was smiling. Mom, you need to, Marcus needs to stop having a problem.

No, he's stopping. Good, great. I can see. He's scored three goals already. He's scored three goals in two games with the team. That's great. So I'm happy and I'm happy for you because you think he's your son. And we've also got, I think, the most handsome manager in the Premier League.

Yeah, he's certainly... He's gorgeous. I don't want to objectify him. No, no, I do. But he's got a lovely face. Charismatic. Have you interviewed him yet? Not yet, although I'll be interviewing him tomorrow. I don't want to objectify, but he's got a lovely face Not yet, although I'll be interviewing him tomorrow He's he sat down with my colleague for about an hour the other day

Which is sometimes post-match you can't get the full measure of somebody when you sit down with them in an environment a bit more relaxed Like this you see a bit more and Mark said he was great and was really polite to everybody on Which you don't always get you've already been on the tube today. Yeah. You've had two, four, some twins on the tube saying that we're entertaining you, four-year-olds making rude words out of. Yeah, tube stations.

Yes, and you have twins. Yeah. And yours are, how old are they? 19, but mine are, these two this morning were identical boys, mine are a girl and a boy. And I did say to the mum of a very boisterous boy that we often thank our lucky stars that my boy came with a girl,

because if I'd had two of him, I don't know if we'd be together. Not me and him, me and his father. Can we start at the beginning, round the dinner table, where were you, who was round the dinner table when you were a child and what were you eating? Were you born in Wales? No I was born in Leeds. Okay. So my dad was playing for Leeds United. He was playing for you, yeah I remember. And I'm the eldest of four and so there were three of us born very quickly so I

can't ever remember being around the dinner table without the others because my mum had three children under the age of 26. So we were a quite young family, you know, but my mum was, I think she had me at 21. So she got engaged before her 21st birthday, which always blows my mind, you know, especially as I've got a daughter who's going to turn 20 next year. And my dad, being a footballerer wasn't always there at regular times, but evening meal, he was there mostly. And if he wasn't playing a midweek game, so we would always eat together. We were always at the table. There was always a placemat and you know, linen and the table,

not necessarily a tablecloth, but there was, it was always an occasion and it might not have always been the most incredibly kind of gourmet meal but it was home-cooked, it was always home-cooked. So post-school you know every night of the week we'd all be doing different sports and different activities but then we all would come in and eat together and that's something that I really valued from my childhood I think and is something that I was non-negotiable for me with my own kids that that's, you know, we didn't have TV dinners as a kid So therefore that was not going to be something that my kids did

So I think it is that communication and that shared passion for food and for your Learning about your lives for each other. If you've got busy lives It's just the best thing that you can do. I think the kids did you talk about sport? We were very competitive bunch because as kids... So you were playing... Yes, so I was doing my sport. My brother and sister, because I think the older three of us, I've got a younger brother. My brother Daniel died, but he was going to be a professional footballer. So he was doing football, my sister was doing gymnastics.

So we'd always be talking about what we were doing and bragging, you know, with each other, but also competing with each other. And my parents would, the conversation could go anywhere really, actually, you know, it often, I think I look back on my dad was quite a polemic. So he liked to stir up things. So if I'd say something as a precocious 12 year old about politics, he'd throw something back that we'd have a disagreement. We once had an argument in a restaurant in Spain about something, oh it was about me wanting a pair of shoes and he said, he said I'll buy you these shoes if you eat all the mustard in that jar on the

table and there was a jar of mustard in bits and my mum was going no Terry and he said she'll do it, she'll do it. So I started eating the mustard like obviously the candidate started eating it and my mum in the end because I was obviously going green and my mum was going, no, you could have it. And they were like, 10 quid these shoes. They were just like a little trainer or something. But you wouldn't give up? No, because obviously I want, yeah, my sister and brother looked on kind of horrified that I was prepared to do this for these shoes, which we still laugh about now. And eventually

my mum kind of intervened and was like, no, she doesn't have to be any more mustard to say goodbye so yeah there's quite quite quite robust fun loud yeah. Where was your mum your dad's from Wales yeah proudly well yes where was your mum from she is from Leeds so they met when he Yorkshire yeah she met they met when he she her mum had a cafe opposite Elland Road she She was doing her A levels and she used to work in the cafe occasionally and she served some of the Leeds players after school. And my dad had been asked to go to an event and he didn't think the girl, he was 17,

he didn't think the girl he was seeing would have been a good guest because she smoked. So he asked my mum if she would go. No, first of all, he asked my mum to iron his trousers for the dinner. He said, have you got an iron? He brought an iron in this cafe? And my mum said no and he said, well would you come with me to the dinner instead? And so it was kind of a weird way of asking somebody out. But yeah, they had a kind of strange coming together.

But then, obviously. And that's very young. Very young. The manager of Leeds at the time, there's a guy called Don Revy, and he quite liked his players to settle down as quickly as possible, because he felt it was going to somehow give them a stability and home life that was gonna be conducive to being more focused at work.

So he also did things like he would send the wives gifts and flowers on significant dates, birthdays and things, so that he kind of told them that they were part of this journey. Did that mean a lot to your mum, do you feel? She certainly mentioned it a lot and talked about it in, you know, kind of growing up. I knew these stories, so it clearly did resonate with her and the other women that I feel they were, I mean, they always joked that they were the original wags and, you know, she

still has dinner with two of the wives from that era. Is that who you support, Leeds? No No I'm accidentally a Newcastle fan. Why? I love your mum, she's so horrified. How did she get from Leeds to Newcastle? When dad was moving around we left Leeds when I was four and then he went to Coventry then he went to Vancouver, no he went to Spurs then he went to Vancouver and then he came back to Coventry and then we were all over the place. Did you travel with him? Yeah, so you following all the time, usually a few months late, so mum packing up houses and selling and moving on, and so you're following his club, I was doing my sport and not really always able,

as I got older, to go, but always following his team. So then when I went to university, I went to Durham, he was managing Wales. And of course, Wales don't play every Saturday. So I was missing that team to follow on at the weekend. And I started going to Newcastle United, and then I started working in local radio in Newcastle and covering Newcastle United. It was the Keegan era, difficult to not.

I mean, if you go to Newcastle, every single person in the city, on being born, on coming out of their mother's womb, is given a Newcastle shirt. I mean literally the whole city is mad for the team and it's impossible not to get swept along. It's such an interesting stadium as well because it's kind of smack bang, it kind of emerges. It's a citadel, it's high, wherever you are you can see it. You're coming on the train and it's there. And I often stay at the Gateshead side, the Hilton, if I'm doing the Great North Run or something like that. And my view of the window is always the Time Bridge

and Newcastle United and St. James' Park. And I think it's just one of the most iconic views. It's such a beautiful river and it's such a, I love the city's industrial past, how it kind of feeds into the architecture and feeds into the bridges and it's such a vibrant city. So I'm very, yeah, I'm sad that I can't go a lot because of work and distance, but I'm really glad I'm connected still to a place that means so much to me. Did you ever resent your dad's job?

No, I don't think so. I think we realised at quite a young age that we had quite a different upbringing to his. He was from a very, very working class, hardworking family in a council estate in Cardiff and sport was a way out for him. And so I think when we go back and visit my granny there, we realised that our life was a bit different. We were not like Premier League footballers are now, but we certainly had a much more middle class life and upbringing to the one that he had, but he never forgot his, you know, his family and his roots and everything, of course. But, and my mum, the same, you know, she was, she always told us about her first cop being the bottom drawer of his chest

of drawers and, you know, and having no bathroom in the house and that kind of thing. So they both were kind of, I suppose, aspirational young people working hard and, and hard work was at the kind of core of everything that they did but we realised that we went on maybe more holidays than he'd gone on and we had a nice house and you know had the the kind of not trappings but we had the things they didn't have as kids. And now we're going to play a game this is the Deliveroo special episode and we are celebrating the fact that Deliveroo not only supply lots of delicious food to our doorsteps, but they also have gifting now that people don't potentially some people

don't know about. So we're going to play a game of Secret Santa. So producer Alice has given us all a piece of paper, and we're going to play Secret Santa. And what we're going to do is we're going to open up and see who we've got. And then we're going to go on the Deliveroo app, and we're gonna open up and see who we've got and then we're gonna go on the delivery app and we're gonna go and choose a present and by the time that we've had our lunch it will be arriving at the door and we will all be gifting each other. I don't tell you. No, it's secret. So this is not what I'd recommend at a dinner party to all be on our phones

however. In our house this would be me going mentor if anybody dares to get a phone out of the table, but this is an exception So we're just gonna all quickly choose Our presents find the presents not on the high street or on. Oh really? Yeah boots Perfume shop sure. There's whole, because obviously it's location dependent. So there's Hackney Wick Company in Hackney for me, which is perfect. That's like nice candles.

You would shop there anyway. Well, yeah. Oh wow, they've got everything. They've got tech, beauty, children's bits. They've even got flowers, darling. Oh, mum, fancy renting a dress by her? I do, darling. That's a great idea.

Within half an hour, for now. So if you turned up in the same colour as one of your co-hosts... I could then hire. You could hire a dress quickly. Wouldn't it be fun? Yeah. We should have done that anyway. We should have done that because we...

Yeah, absolutely. Are you ready to select yours? Yeah okay fine I'm gonna select mine. Perfect. Right presents have been ordered and they should be here in as little as 25 minutes from delivery. Really? Mm-hmm. I want to keep shopping. I want to keep shopping. Are you a big shopper? Not in situ. So I do a couple of shops for work a year where I go and do like a mad day and then I do another day of just getting because I do so much and get loads of outfits ready so that I don't have to worry. So if I'm doing a World Cup or a Euros and I need 28 outfits or something or Olympics or something and then we get them all together and then that's it.

I'm not a great borrower from, you know, people like to borrow from designers and things like that. It's just too much faff. I've got to get everything ready. So I don't kind of have time for hours. Sometimes I have half an hour somewhere in between a meeting and I go into a shop and start touching things and feel like, oh, this is what it used to be like.

Used to go into shops and see things. And I do enjoy it. I just don't have loads of time. Are you a good present giver? I think I am because I think I try and think about the person. I work on the basis that it's something that I would like to receive as well so I don't, although it's for them, I think it's something of quality that I would want so I don't give away, I don't re-gift loads of stuff that I've already got in don't give away, I don't regift loads of stuff that I've already got in the cupboard, I try and buy something and I also like to buy these days a lot of monogram stuff so people know that you've bought it in advance and not just bought it the night before Christmas Day. That's a really nice idea. So you've thought about it but it doesn't always work out.

Have you ever been given a really quite awful present? Oh yes. Anyone you can... Yeah my husband. We do laugh about this one. He was way too generous this particular Christmas. It was our first Christmas together I think and the first thing was I woke up and this is gonna make him sound ridiculously romantic. We were in a townhouse and three floors of rose petals led down to a rose, the guitar was I and then love you in roses. So the guitar was the present, right, because I kept saying to him I'd like to learn the guitar, beautiful black Yamaha guitar, so I thought that was it, right, so this is an amazingly romantic

lovely present. Then I opened up some more presents, there was this gorgeous coat he bought me, then some roller blades, right blades right which is and now we're kind of going in slightly satiric random things then this piece of art which I was disgusting right and not like anything I had in my house or anything I know but now we laugh about it because he's got this friend who we all agree has no taste and he said but I bought it with Pete and I went you went shopping with Pete like you're mad like nobody would buy anything in Pete's company. You just wouldn't. If any said Pete said, Gabby would.

I said, what? He's known me like five minutes. So we do laugh about that particularly. And we took it back and exchanged it for something we still have hanging on the walls. So yeah. Oh, that's sweet. Yeah.

But that was such a random collection of gifts, right? I mean, you know. That could have been like for five Christmases. Exactly. And I thought this guy's so generous I just like but also then you have kids yeah and you're lucky if you get a tea towel but yeah that was definitely the most it was hard to hide my reaction when you open something up when you go oh what were you thinking about this? Oh, that's brilliant. Yeah.

What's your best gift that you've ever received? Oh, I think when, you know, I know it sounds like I'm being kind of humble and going, oh, it's just a little thing sometimes, but it is sometimes those things that you've just mentioned and you haven't been dropping hints, but they've heard you and they're like, oh, I thought this might make your life easier.

And this is something that you've obviously wanted and so it can be just so innocuous like I had this old iPad cover that didn't go onto a stand and he said every time I see you struggling with that I think you should have one of those ones that goes with stand that some things like that where your life is made easier by somebody yeah kind of thinking about you is almost as nice isn't it as don't get me wrong a tennis bracelet would be lovely yeah yeah all those all those things are great but I think it's knowing that the is almost as nice, isn't it, as, don't get me wrong, a tennis bracelet would be lovely. Yeah, diamonds. Yeah, all those things are great.

But I think it's knowing that the person knows you, I think is quite nice, isn't it? What was Christmas like when you were growing up? Well, it's quite interesting because my working life now kind of replicates a bit of what I experienced growing up because I'll be working on Boxing Day. Oh. So I'll be doing some full-leather.

Does that mean you won't get drunk on Christmas Day? No, I'll cook and I'll have maybe a glass of wine or two. Yeah. I won't have what everybody else will be drinking. Yeah. And I won't start until I won't like be drinking through cooking or anything like that. So I don't have that full Christmas Day. What time do you have to leave the house on Boxing Day? Early-ish, after 11. But I've got to be groomed, you know, I've got to have washed my hair and have got up and make sure I wouldn't just run out the door because it's too big a game and it's too big an occasion. Which game are you coming? Liverpool. Liverpool Leicester on Boxing Day. Okay.

So, you know, who knows? Liverpool at Anfield. Yeah, at Anfield. So it's a bit of a journey as well to get to. It's a shlap, isn't it? And then the day after that I'm at Arsenal again, so I've got a double header. Yeah. and then the day after that I'm at Arsenal again. So I've got a double head. So my dad, being a footballer, would often be leaving us on Christmas day to go and play somewhere on Boxing Day.

So I understand, I suppose, a bit more than other families might about that disjointed Christmas. Was he in training when he was quite a young person? Did they have an academy at Leeds? They didn't have academies then. He left home at 15 though to go and be a Leeds player. His story is quite sliding doors when it's really interesting because he'd been sent this offer of a trial

for Leeds United, 15 years old, got on the train, which those days from Cardiff to Leeds probably took about 10 hours or something, turns up in Leeds, does his trial for a week with seven or eight other boys. And at the end of the week, they were going to tell them who could offer the contract and he was asked to clean the manager's office or the guy who was in charge of that week and on them because they used to be given real hard tasks back in those days you know chores to do they

weren't treated like Academy players are now and he was cleaning the office and noticed the pile of offers on the table and so he couldn't help there no he wasn't so terrible another. That's so terrible. Another boy, and this other boy happened to be a twin. And when he was offered, his family said, not unless you take his twin. And they said, well, we're not offering his twin, we're offering him.

So your dad got his? And they said, well, he's not coming. So my dad got his place. How amazing. And ended up kind of being the Needs United player that he was then for 10 years. So yeah, I mean, he might have made it anyway, and he might have gone somewhere else. But he wouldn't have been part of that kind of iconic Leeds team of the 70s, which is often even now people talk to me about that team. And you know,

it was an amazing team. So he had and then he after that he left home and ended up being in these tough digs where they'd stay with a family and had that for two years living with a, you know, woman who looked after a few footballers and very hard for somebody at that age to be wrenched away from your family and not have that comfort of that nurturing I think. It made you quite hard I think. Can we talk about your sporting career? Because all your siblings, you were all very active

and it was I presume kind of expected maybe, it was gonna be an active household. I think my mum tried to give us, we all did every musical instrument to grade one. We all did all the drama, we did all the- I'm up to at the moment, yeah. And she tried really hard for it not to be just sport. And I remember her saying to me,

and I don't know how she knew this, but I was about 10 and I wanted to give up doing Lambda or something, I mean, a drama exam. She said, oh, look good on your CV if you want to go to uni. Nobody in our family had ever been to uni. So I don't know why she thought that that was inevitable that I would. Because she had high ambitions. And Durham is like one of the best universities. It was a great one to go to. And she was very, but she'd said to me once as well about, if you went to Cambridge, you might want to do Footlights. Now, honestly, to this day, I

have no idea how she knew about Footlights because she was this Leeds girl who'd nobody in the family had gone to uni. How did she know about that? And she so she did have aspirations I guess for us but not in a way that she was pushy she just always said she wanted us to find our passions and and put them all out there and say choose something do something but don't do nothing you know. So your initial passion was gymnastics? Yeah, all sports really. I came to gymnastics by accident because I really wanted to be a tennis player until I was about 10. We lived in Vancouver and I played loads of tennis and tried to pitch to my parents that I should move to Florida and go to Nick Volatieri's camp. They were like, no, you're coming back home with us after Vancouver.

Was that the Venus Williams one? Yeah. He sounded yeah, right. He sounded like a character. And I'd seen this documentary and thought, this is Utopia. You just play tennis all day in Florida. In the sunshine, yeah. And obviously, it wasn't going to be. So I came back and we lived in Conventry at the time.

And then we moved to Leeds. There were no indoor courts for public use in Leeds. So my sister was gymnast. I just kept following her to gym until the tennis courts opened and kind of never came back really. So it was an accident that I ended up doing more of it. I find that so fascinating from, because what I gather from watching like the Simone Biles documentaries and also seeing my daughter's eight

and she goes to a local gymnastics, it's very kind, but you can feel it's incredibly regimented and strict. And from what I see is almost quite lonely because you're basically against the world rather than being in a, you are in a squad yet, but that's similar with tennis. And you're confusing against the people

who you're training with. Yeah, it's a funny old thing. And yet two of my oldest longest friends and I'm godmother to both of their daughters, they've both got multiple daughters, are from when I was 12 as a gymnast. So something connected there. And you can see, I presume you've seen the Simone Biles documentary, it's so fascinating seeing, they all adore each other, those girls in the USA team USA and obviously Simone was seen as this, well, you know, the greatest of all time, but they, and they kind of accept that and they will a romba also, they achieve such great things too. But um, I I

I just did you It doesn't sound like it was your total passion and you fell into it Yeah, no, it was once I was in it Yeah I was you're in and I absolutely loved it and I didn't want to do anything else and I was obsessed by it and it was Rhythmic rhythmic gymnastics, which is much more balanced hoops clubs clubs and balls, all of it's on the mat and it's apparatus And it's not in this country. It's not the strong suit of gymnastics It was my heroes were when I was 15 my heroes were Bulgarian or Russian

they were my absolute idols and I'd watch grainy kind of VHS tapes of them and then got to go see some of them live and you know and the 84 Olympics when I was 11 was the first time rhythmic had been in the Olympics but of course there was a boycotting by a lot of the Eastern block countries so Romania still went and the gymnastic one was from Romania and I was I was just obsessed I just watched hours and hours of it it gave me a real entry into classical music and music because we could only use one instrument for our music had very strict strict rules. So most people have piano, and we used to have a live pianist at competitions in the old days.

We played your music and could, if they were good, would see that you wanted to catch the ball on a certain note. So they would, it was amazing at the beginning. And then I think that was quite an expensive indulgence. So then we were off tapes. And then they allowed us to have non-piano. So you could play, you could have a guitar piece

or you could have a violin piece. So I spent hours in the local library going through the classical music sections at like 13 years old, looking for single instrument pieces. So John Williams, the classical guitarist was one of my go-tos. And it was a very, my mom must have thought

she had this real quirky 13 year old because I'd be in my bedroom playing all this like Maninoff and stuff like that, going, does this work for a club's routine? And my sister was doing it as well, so we'd be in our bedroom with our apparatus making up routines and I suppose it was a healthy obsession. That's amazing. But it was an obsession. What was the colour of your outfit? Or did you have lots of different...

You had different ones for different routines and you tried to match the mood of the music with your, I mean, that was a real kind of- Did you enjoy that? I loved that bit. Did they have sparkles on? We weren't as sparkly as they are now. We had, because my mum wouldn't pay

for these extraordinarily expensive leotards that came from the States and stuff. So me and my sister used to get these bog standard ones and then try and decorate them ourselves. But nobody in our family has been gifted with real artistic talent. So they look, everything looked botched, everything looked, I used to try and copy these pictures and they just looked like a four-year-old had done them so it was quite sweet and naive. Whilst you carry on chatting I'm just going to

assemble the bulbs. I'm sorry that I'm kind of back and forth. I want to know how many suitcases of clothes did you take to Paris? This Olympics just gone. Good question. And my lovely, he was kind of a production manager, Lloyd, who works, sadly left, worked on the BBC Olympic coverage for us, was so kind in taking one of my extra cases out because we had to travel on train. They wouldn't let us fly because of getting a thing called the Albert stamps and make it more sustainable. I said I can't take three cases on the Eurostar and these are big cases. Oh you're not allowed. Well I just couldn't, how was I going to get them all? You couldn't even carry them.

So Lloyd bless him took one of them for me so that I could get all the clothes I wanted because it's not just the clothes you wear every day you've got a different outfit for the telly but you also need clothes outside of telly and I like to exercise when I'm away as well so you've got a different outfit for the telly. But you also need clothes outside of telly. And I like to exercise when I'm away as well. So you've got all that stuff. So every single thing I took got used. I never waste a cubic centimeter.

And I always take my own pillow as well when I travel. Do you? Yeah. Why is it so special, your pillow? Is it feather or? No, it's like a Tempura memory foam pillow. Okay. I find if you have my pillow, the bed can be awful. As long as I've got my pillow, it doesn't matter what the bed's like a tempura memory foam pillow. Okay. I find if you have my pillow, the bed can be awful.

As long as I've got my pillow, it doesn't matter what the bed's like. Whereas if you have rubbish pillows, I don't get, I fidget all night. So my pillow, I'm out like a light. So it's better than anything that I could take to ensure that I get a good, because often we're working weird shifts, know late nights not getting your normal quantity of sleep. And what was the food like? Amazing. It was and I love Paris and I've been quite a lot in the last year and eaten in some amazing restaurants but we were very lucky because normally when you do sport in stadiums you don't want to eat anything in the stadium right that's

the food's rubbish so you've got to take your food either with you or you order in something and there was this incredible, kind of like a poke bowl place near the hotel, but it wasn't really poke bowl because she had this woman had all kinds of different things and I'd just go and get these amazing dishes made up every day to the point where they told one of my colleagues the day before the Olympics finished, they said can you tell your friend that we're not open tomorrow because I was such a regular yeah, that I became the young king. So having been in Paris quite a lot over the last couple of years and eating in some amazing places I did feel that I was slightly, I don't know, I wasn't eating in all these but we never had a chance to sit and eat in restaurants on these kinds of trips because

we get back at midnight and you don't want to eat at midnight and then the morning you're up you're doing something and then you go and it's so you sometimes you're in these incredible places and you never actually get to experience the city so long were you there for this time only a couple of weeks but I've been in various work trips and personal trips my kids were 18 last year and we decided to do like a good four-day trip to Paris for their 18th so we ate in some amazing places there. They are real foodies. What was your favourite meal? We actually went back, Lois and I went back to this restaurant which was owned by a

couple who is not far from Saint-Germain. They were both bankers in London and they're Lebanese descent and they decided to set up the food they wanted to eat and this is tiny restaurant. The kitchen is here. You can only fit about 12, 15 people in the downstairs section. And they are the only restaurant in Paris, I think the chef's mission is to start, but they're the only restaurant in Paris where you can have every single wine on their very extensive list by the glass. That was their big thing. Oh, that's amazing. So, and I, the names are now in it, like midlife fobby brain.

It will come. Yeah, and I will tell you, they're great. So I've sent a few people there in the last year and they've all really enjoyed it. That was my favorite meal. And are you best mates with all the other? Yeah, we're really, we get on really well. So Claire Balding.

So Claire, I don't get to see too much during the Olympics because she's on one shift and I'm on another. We'll be working together in two weeks doing Sports Personality of the Year. I know, three women. Yeah, with Alex as well. And so I love Claire. She's so funny and she's such a professional. She's great. I love her. But I work with Denise Lewis at the Olympics, Jess and Michael and we have a really good time. Especially the girls because we spend more time together. I was dragging them out, managed to get Jess to go to Barry's bootcamp in Paris

with me, which was hilarious. He's got to Paris? Yeah, I was doing Barry's in Berlin at the Euros this summer. But it's so funny, waiting for a class at Barry's bootcamp with an Olympic tafflon champion is hilarious because people were looking, because there's a lot of expat people in there and they were, I could see people going, it's Jess in this hill, it's hilarious. Cause people were looking, cause there's a lot of expat people in there and they were, I could see people going,

it's Jess on this hill, it's Jess on this hill. But I'd booked us in with two of the makeup artists we worked with. So everybody was called Gabby, according to the instructor's list, because I booked us all in. So he kept shouting something to Gabby, something to Gabby,

and we realized that he thought we were all called Gabby. Yeah, so at one point he said, well done Gabby, we just all waved at him and he was, this guy was completely confused, especially the people that thought that was Jess Ennis Hill, they were kind of going, isn't that Jess Ennis Hill? But yeah, she's, she's great. So how did you meet Kenny, your husband? Oh, we met in a bar in Chelsea. A random, yeah, a real... That's quite unlike...

Yeah. That's fabulous. It was really random. Just at the end of a night, he was with a group of players who'd been out that day, they played that day. My girlfriend I was with happened to be a producer at Sky who worked on Rugby, knew them because she'd made a BT with them. Oh wow. And she said, oh I know those guys, I did the Puglin last week. And I was actually chatting to somebody else and he came over and gave me a drink and just

started chatting away and then went round the corner me a drink and just started chatting away and then went around the corner and told his friend he was chatting up Gabby Roslyn so and his friend came around the corner at Simon and said no you're not you're chatting up Gabby Yoruf she's a football presenter and he went yeah I know but Kenny is really dyslexic so to this day I don't know whether he just got his names mixed up or whether he genuinely thought the lady from the big breakfast was potentially going to be taken out by him the following week. So yeah, and then he asked you out Yeah, he had a great chat at line

so we ended up going over the road to this 24-hour restaurant called to banca on the full and road and Just having it was non-alcoholic place so we were sat there just eating and drinking hot chocolate or tea or something till about five in the morning and we came out to get Cab's home there were four of us and he put his arm around me because it was really cold it was January and he said oh I'm playing against Wales next week at Murrayfield would you like to come up and watch and I thought that's a good that's a good and I said I'm sorry I'm going to a health farm with my girlfriend I can't make it and he always

laughs about how I was and I couldn't let I'm going to a health farm with my girlfriend, I can't make it. And he always laughs about how I was, and I couldn't let my girlfriend down. Anyway, I ended up watching him on the telly. He scored like loads of points and played brilliantly and he was man of the match. And I said to the girl, that's the guy. And she went, I think he is the guy. And yeah, so there you go.

Please start. And it may not, I made such a vat of rice. There is more and it may need more salt. So I will not be offended if you need to put some salt on. Honestly, it's gorgeous. Or it may be too much salt. I don't know. Would this be a go-to lunch for you? The salmon's delicious.

Well, it's done with grapefruit, a miso, and grapefruit zest. I love a bowl. And I, would I, would I, yeah. Yeah, I would actually. This was actually quite straightforward if I wasn't trying to do a podcast and chat at the same time. But I do love a bowl.

And maybe I kind of got it right because you like a poke bowl. Yeah, I love it. And I can't, I don't know how you do it. I really don't. I have such admiration for you because I cannot, I love cooking. I can't talk to anybody, honestly. Barack Obama could walk in and I just say, sorry,

I'm not, I know you're interesting, but not now. Yeah, this is a real skill to be able to chat. This is not my recipe though. This is a New York Times recipe. And I've been following this guy, Andy Baragani on Instagram and this works. This is a New York Times recipe, and I've been following this guy, Andy Baragani, on Instagram, and this works. This is tasty. Great, perfect, bit faffy, but fine.

So Gabby, we ask everybody, last supper, start a main purd drink of choice. Would you like an alcoholic drink? Right now? Yeah. No, I'm fine, thank you. You look quite shocked. You're more like an athlete, see? You're such a pro. No, I'm not very good at drinking during the day if I've fine, thank you. You look quite shocked. You're more like an athlete, see? You're such a pro.

No, I'm not very good at drinking during the day if I've got stuff to do. Also, I'm supposed to be going to my hygienist later, so. She might have something to say about that. You'll just have some seaweed in your truffin stick. So, starter. I love, you know, Otolengi style, I call it Otolengi style dishes, right?

Yeah. Big, my favorite Sunday lunches are lots of big plates of different kinds of vegetables. Something maybe roasted, something, whether it's a fish or chicken, we're done with something interesting and lots of bits that go with it. That's my favorite kind of cooking. And it's also probably my favorite kind of food really.

So it does, but if it's my last supper then somebody else is making it right. But to start and this is so random because it doesn't go with it at all but I don't think these courses need to match today. No no no. I love and I never order it because nobody makes it well enough really in this country, is a proper French onion soup. You know, proper. Made it on Saturday. Did you? Yeah, I mean, I can't, I just put my full house.

And everyone went crazy for it. Did they? Yeah. Whose recipe? I made a combination recipe, Mary Berry. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And it was really good old fashioned.

And I bought the stock in a jar from Marks and Spencer's and it was liquid stock. It wasn't... Chicken stock? Beef stock? No, beef stock. And it was in a jar, a beef consomme stock. And it was really gorgeous. But bloody hell, it took hours. Two kilos of onions to cheer. Everyone farting after. Yeah, that's the problem as well. If it's your last supper, who about the gas right? Absolutely. So is that your starter? Well I know it's a bit boring but if I'm having all that other stuff which I'm gonna get to in a minute. It's so delicious. And I quite like, I love and also you if you do it properly with more cheese than you can possibly imagine then it's not a healthy starter is it and I don't think that's a problem if it's your last supper.

So go for it on the... She put mustard on top, Dijon mustard, before she put the cheese on. This is Mary. No, it's like a propo monsieur. I didn't do that. I just put the cheese on and gave two pieces of baguette and everyone loved it. Yeah, loads of loads of lashings of French butter on a fresh baguette. That would be an absolute dream.

I mean, before that, we could have had really interesting canapes, couldn't we, as well? Do you like canapes? I love canapes. I do like canapes. I like it because it seems like such effort that I'm not doing. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, I appreciate that.

Especially when they're in my mouth. Mini versions of whole meals. Yes, I love that. This is sensational. This is really good. I can say that because it's not my recipe, but I would make this again. I'll send you the recipe. Thank you. It's gorgeous. Would you like some more? No, I would like some more, but I'm going to say no because you've mentioned the word pudding. Have you got a sweet tooth, Gabby? No, I'm not. Well, I'm gonna say no because you've got you mentioned the word pudding I do have if you got a sweet tooth Gabby. No, I'm not you can just have a second bit of salmon No, you've made a pudding no, I'm rubbish. I'm pudding. I am too. So I'm let's see how it goes And then I actually had to cook dinner for Mary Berry. She came to my house. Why are you friends? She's a neighbor and she, so she's invited us

around for dinner, just Kenny and I. What did she cook you? She did a very, her pudding, let's go backwards from the, she made this apple flan type French tart thing which was, looked exquisite. It had all the apples were kind of fanned out and very... Okay, my one's gonna be a poor man's Mary Berry today okay. So knocked it up in about I think you know she and she um and the main course was it wasn't lamb I cooked lamb for her because I wanted to do a traditional what which me did she did a very traditional main course it might have been a beef bourguignon maybe and her starter was um a soup and she um Maybe her French onion soup?

No, it wasn't French onion soup. She did very, it made it all look like you have today. It was all very straightforward, very easy. Whereas I had to book a whole day off work to prep for her dinner. But that is because it's Mary Berry, right? So do I. Because I just didn't want anything to get...

And the kids were in the house, but they weren't sitting, which is unusual, but I just felt like she didn't really want, they were eight or nine at a time. So they were loitering kind of upstairs and then they came running in at the end and they were like, what did you think of mummy's dinner? And asked her to, you know, critique it and she was very sweet and she said, well, I didn't want to dip a pudding because I'm so bad at dessert. I did a cheesecake. Why is that so bad? It's such a cop out, isn't it? It's like offering biscuits or something.

But she liked it because it had a very crusty bottom. Oh well done, no soggy pops. So she said, oh and she asked me the recipe for my, I did a salsa with this lamb and she asked me the recipe for salsa. Yes Gabby! Yeah which was the highlight of my life. I feel like you're just an overachiever, like you can't even think. No, no I had to take a whole day off work to make Minister Annie's suit for Mary Berry. I mean, I literally was that terrible and petrified. She's such a lovely woman and she moved out of our village now. She lives further away. But she I did a book talk at Henley Festival

and she came and surprised me and sat in the audience. And because she lives in that direction now. And, you know, it totally curtailed what I talked about because I've got so much respect for her. I didn't want to make rude jokes, I didn't want to talk about kind of anything that I normally would and I kept changing my language to not be sweary or say anything rude in front of her. Are you quite sweary then? I'm married to a Scot, they think the f-word is just a punctuation point in a sentence and so as a result we can be quite sweary. Oh that is the last of the delivery um delivery so I'm gonna go get them and then we can play

Secret Santa. Okay darling. Alice, producer Alice can you please come and help us uh give out the presents? Gabby this one's for you I believe. Thank you. And Jessy, thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, mum, you open yours first. Oh wow Jess, thank you. Did you get me this? I did get you it because I just know that you love it. Chloe perfume. Darling, where did you get it from? The perfume shop on delivery.

You're kidding. Yeah. You're next, Gabby. I'm going to open mine. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, box which has in it chocolate wonders. Oh thank you so much. I just thought you needed to relax. You need to just chill the fuck out Gabby. Honestly this is this is my Christmas. You know when I come back from doing all that football, say on the 28th, you're going to light your candle, eat your chocolate and maybe share that with Kenny. Maybe, okay. Thank you so much. Pleasure. Well, I guess Gabby, you got me mine then. Yeah.

Okay, let's see what we've got. Ooh! Ooh, who knew you could get Clarence on delivery? Oh my goodness, this is like a lemon show stopper. This is huge. It's called a show stopper, darling. Oh, come on, I love. I mean, that is doubling up as a handbag as well.

What a clutch. Thank you, and I love miniatures. Well, I just thought at some point, you are gonna get out the kitchen and go back on tour, aren't you? Yes, I am. So these will be quite handy for you. Oh, come on, thanks.

You can come again, Gabby. Just gonna put some of the lip perfector on now. Hang on. Oh, perfect. That is absolutely perfect. Thank you. Now listen I'm gonna put the pudding in the oven now. Okay. Whilst I go back to the oven mum is gonna get your lasagna. Finish off our lasagna. So Maine what do we do? So Maine I would like a lot dishes. Fine. That's alright. Yeah, just go for a big Salty-langy type type thing. So maybe some aubergines with pomegranates and some kind of curry yogurt with it

Then we'll have on the side maybe some lentil. I know this sounds really healthy, but I just love their lentils with Grilled tomatoes and yeah, I know and stuff like that. that which you think for last summer should be more indulgent so here it comes okay gonna have a massive fillet of beef best ever quality what condiments and how well with all these different all the things you're going together they all work together so there'll be something with some carrots and maybe something because I'll tell you do some great carrot recipes. That's not the only cookbook I use, but it is my go-to.

Actually, I'll start with... Which one? They're simple. I've started to make some really good... Children's My House cookbook is quite hard to follow, but... Is it? ...is their Caesar salad recipe is to die for. Really?

Oh, really? I make that... It involves like skinning... I think we need to get that cut. My mum bought me it because she thought it looked beautiful and it does but it involves a lot of ingredients and so you kind of have to be ready to go you know but it's worth it worth the effort. Maybe we'll throw that in on the side. Yes please do and then pudding you're not a pudding person. No but if I have if there's anything that can tempt me on a menu,

a simple affogato, but I'm not going to do that right now because that's just too simple, it'll be a sticky toffee pudding. Yeah, OK. With a big dollop of vanilla ice cream, probably. Do you like ice cream with your sticky toffee pudding or cream? Oh, yes, you just said you do. No, do you never have cream with it? No.

No, I think that's right. I've made a mistake there. I prefer cream with it because it's so sweet. I want like... You want the sauce then? But you've got the sauce, Jess. You've got the sticky toffee sauce, then you're double sourcing, aren't you? You're double sourcing.

I like the hardness of the ice cream with the soft... And drink of choice. We'd have some really gorgeous vintage champagne to start. Oh champagne? Yeah just as you know, with the canapes and then I would... oh it's hard because I do love a gin and tonic and wine doesn't make me very happy. You know it makes me go to sleep and it makes me feel kind of... it didn't used to. So as much as I like the idea of, and I love watching it be poured for other people, I probably won't be. Gabby's got to work through it.

It gets better at the other end, let me tell you. You might go through that period and then you'll come up the other end. I'm always tempted when I go, especially when you're away in the sunshine and the first rosé of the season, so of course I want a glass of rosé, of course I'd like a nice chilled soap. Why does nobody ever drink ros away in the sunshine and the first rose of the season. So of course I want a glass of rose Of course, I'd like a nice chilled. So you ever eat drink rose in the winter because we drink white wine I've got a friend who does we always have to in the middle of winter We could be doing the most wintery feel ever and we have to bring out the rose The weird thing about rose is though people do like to show off a bit with wine don't they and you can't show up with rose It's kind of all the same, isn't it?

There's not much variation, is there, between the low end and the high end, it's about five pounds. Whereas with red wine, people do like that kind of, oh, yeah, and it's like a 90 pound bottle of wine. I don't know, I think there's something in that that it's quite democratic, Rosé. I would love to know your nostalgic taste or smell, something that can transport you back somewhere.

So I made for the first time, I walked in, it was the first cold day we had this year and I'd gone into my supermarket of choice and all the root vegetables were in the entrance and I thought, I'm going to make a stew because my mum would make a stew at this time and there was always a stew on the Arga, she always had an Arga.

And I've never made a stew. Oh, I make lots of soups, I make chowders, but I've never made a stew. So I made this stew almost exactly how I remembered my mum making it. And it was so nostalgic, like the bowl of stew just took me right back to coming in from sport and everybody pouring, you know, ladling themselves up a bowl and sitting in the table and getting some bread and kind of it just had that real throwback to childhood.

Wow. Mary Berry. Hello. Hello. It's not. Look. How did you do this in such kind of secret stealth like movements? Is this stealthy? I'm like clattering. Wait till you hear me eat it. Oh yeah, right. Okay, mum, you do that bit. Did you grow up being taught how to make this particular?

No, and by the way, the pastry is shop bought, so don't be too impressed. But no, my mum battered me out of the kitchen. Do you want a big sized slither? I love a slither, I love a slither, yeah. Gabby Logan, thanks so much for coming on. We are so happy to have had you. We're happy to have had Secret Santa with you.

Thank you so much for delivering. Thank you for my gorgeous, beautiful gift. Well, they're all from Waitrose, my gifts. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, they're really lovely. It's such an honor to meet you. When I was a 16 year old and wanted to be a football journalist, I just looked at you and was just like, this is actually possible and you were amazing.

You were such an inspiration. I mean, I'm doing something slightly different now. Pop music. Yeah, I don't think it's gone too bad though. No, we're doing okay, but I still think you have a frigging cool job. Oh, thank you for having me. And you are amazing. And it's so lovely to chat to people who are obviously so passionate about their football club as well. So lovely. And not negative about Manchester United. Could have been so different three weeks ago, couldn't it?

Oh, it would have been negative. She's got to be one of my favourite guests. Absolutely. Could have had her here for hours. Great anecdote. Thank you so much to Delivery for making today's episode happen. We've wanted Gabby for so long and I'm sure as they've done today they'll be making amazing gifting moments happen all over the country this Christmas. So if you're in need of a present at a moment's notice just open up the Deliveroo app where

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