Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Gracie Abrams

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

Superstar singer-songwriter Gracie Abrams pulls up a seat at the podcast table this week! Ahead of the release of her new album, we caught up with Gracie over brunch where mum whipped up a dutch baby with smoked salmon. Gracie told us about how she finds comfort in cooking while on tour, the meals she always requests when she's back home, the magic of performing live, and how she thought Taylor Swift messaging her was actually a prank! Plus, Gracie reveals the delicious caramelised leeks she’s obsessed with right now. Thank you for a lovely morning Gracie, Daughter From Hell is out on 17th July.Listen & watch Table Manners here - https://tablemanners.komi.io/Follow Table Manners on:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tablemannerspodcast/TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@tablemannerspodcastFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/tablemannerspodcastYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TableMannersPodcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Tablemanners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're here in Mum's Kitchen today on what is going to be a very hot week in London. Yep. I just bought loads of dresses that aren't going to arrive in time for the heat wave. So that was stupid. Why did you do that? I don't know. It was like impulse stress by it. How was a weekend, Mum? I was travelling, darling. Oh yeah. Have you forgotten? I actually had. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I'm a jet-lagged woman. Oh, Mom. Not even the... I was going to say jet legged because my seat didn't work on the plane.

That is so annoying. So it didn't go up and then when it went up, we managed to jack it up. We couldn't get it back down. So then when the lady put her seat back, the one in front, I couldn't get out of my seat. Because my legs were up like that and I couldn't move. I went to Harry Stiles on Friday, which was really fab at Wembley Stadium. What was your best song?

I love when he does treat people with kind. this. I also... He sang an old one, didn't he? What do you mean an old one? I don't know. They said he also sign of the times is a fantastic song. Did everyone join in? Yeah. Yeah. And then on Saturday, Sam and I DJed at our friends 40th. Good. I've got the bug, mum. I'm going to get some decks. Are you? In Sam, that's going to be our quality time going back to back. That could be your name back to back. Oh, Lenny. Oh. Anyway, Today we have the superstar that is Gracie Abrams on the podcast. She has had such huge success in the last, what, six years with her two records.

And then she had a massive deluxe record. She is huge. Is she one of those people that all the women love and men absolutely think she's gorgeous as well? I think also men really respect the music too. Like Sam and I had the album on in the... car on our drive back and he was like god i can so imagine this all being sung at a festival and everyone like hands in the air she kind of does euphoria and heartbreak and um she's good with words she's great with words but she's like her melodies are also just in saying she plays piano guitar

wow she's really talented yeah and she has a new record out called daughter from hell and it's out in july on the 17th so she's coming over and we're going to cook for her well i'm not going to cook anything but what have you made lennie i've made a savoury dutch baby spain to people that don't know what a dutch baby is basically a very big yorchidooch pudding um a cross fina yorch pudding and a pancake delish and i'm going to serve it with snout salmon crem fresh infused with lemon and lots of herbs in the dutch baby and dill on top and then i've made my mixed berry compot that you weren't very impressed with you don't like a mixed berry You thought it was a bit,

mm, bit mere. Anyway, I'm serving it. I don't know. It doesn't like make me, you know. I'm serving it with my very most favorite thing at the moment, the Marks and Spencer's vanilla Greek yogurt. I could eat tubs of it. And then you've, well, you haven't, but you've. By proxy. Yeah, by proxy, I was on cookies because mom did get in from L.A. yesterday.

So by proxy, my sweet Rosie, has done the New York Times banana cookies banana oat cookies but banana everything cookies or something but the reason that we're doing this

because mum told me to tell Rosie to do them because apparently they are Gracie Abrams' favourite she used to make them all the time which I now am thinking that's a really bad idea to give somebody

a cookie that they very, they know the recipe very well she might appreciate it darling maybe but otherwise she'd be like god this is not as good as mine anyway so Rosie's just driven them over. Can I just say

I didn't do it? I had a blood test this morning. I had to get there at 7 o'clock. I'm very sorry. I will do the next putt. Jesse, you're okay. You're not dying. No, I'm not dying. Blood tests at 7. I had to do a blood test in a certain time of my cycle. You know, very important stuff.

I don't want to know that. You know, a woman. So, yeah, we've got quite a delicious brunchy breakfast to give Bracey Eichblades. Quite a minute. It's 10 a point. Yeah, it is. I can't wait to chat. Gracie Abrams.

As I live and breathe. Hi. Looking dewy and gorgeous and fabulous. And the only person in London that's in a long sleeve today. It's a mistake. Except it feels so nice and cool and here. How are you finding it here? I love it. I love it.

I feel like there was always sort of something about LA that I, even having grown up there, struggled to sort of... Really? I felt like social integration was just tougher for. me and here I feel right at home. So it's, it's lucky. Yeah. What makes you feel at home here? The pubs. Oh, you're a pub. You're a pub girl. Yes. I think something about the, like having these kind of, um, the centers where everyone in the community like pets and children and, you know, full family is like, I guess LA doesn't have that. No, it's less, it's, it's, we have dog parks.

Yeah, that I'm a fan of too. But I don't have my dog over here right now. You have a dog. But you have a dog. Yeah, but he loves in L.A. with my family. So, but yes, you're L.A. born and bread? Yeah. Yep. Who was around the dinner table when you were growing up and what's a memorable dish from the childhood?

Okay. Dinner, we would do roast chicken often, like kind of just easy one pan chicken, which is still my favorite food. Like a tray bait? Yeah. Like carrots and onions and time and like all that. Which is my favorite food still, I would say. And it was my brothers and both my parents.

and I had a set of grandparents who lived in L.A. as well, so they would pop over when they could. But otherwise, it was just immediate family. And then on Fridays we had, which is kind of like my favorite part of growing up, we would have these, like all families that happened to be from the East Coast, but had found their way to L.A. for some reason. We were all sort of raised like siblings every Friday. We would get together and have pizza in the park. And it became this like, pizza in the park. Yeah, and that was like our weekly tradition. And that's who we have Thanksgiving with.

That's like, you know, it was called Friday group. And it still is like a strong second family. But they feel like just, you know. What's your topping on your pizza? I like a sausage and onion. So to be honest. Yeah, you're like Italian sausage. Yeah, like a spicy kind of delicious.

I like it with fennel. Yes. Yeah. So, where are you getting your, pizza from in LA, is it always been the same place for pizza? No, it just, no, but just different. And it depends who was ordering and whose house we were at because everyone lived in different zones. But like New York is better pizza, right?

I would say so. Yes. I would say so. I get, I love Joe's pizza, which I know is like the club, but Prince Street is insane. But that's kind of like quite bougie pizzas. Okay. Sort of. And then are you eating pizza when you're in London?

If so, what pizza are you eating? Oiavita. Oh, I had that. Where's that? I've only ever ordered on delivery from Oivita, but I love it because it comes with like a little side of barata. Oh. So it feels kind of like this fancy.

Ask Lenny what she thinks of barata. Oh, you hate it. Hate it. Why? It's the texture. Yeah. It's like oozy and. Yeah, it's not very.

No. I like that. Do you like that? Yeah, I like oozy. I like, I like dips to go with my pizza bones. It's kind of, it doesn't really, I think unless you're doing it up, but doesn't taste like much. So I get there's not really some great appeal.

I understand. And it's not a salad and people kind of try to make it a salad. Yeah, it's not a salad. It's not a salad. So, Mom, I've known Gracie's. I remember the first time I met you. You remember? I remember.

Because I couldn't forget you because you were kind of. Was I shaking so hard to be in the same room as you probably? Oh, please. Oh, please. You definitely were a teenager. Mm-hmm. I'm going to say 16, maybe 17. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wow. It was at Benny Blanco's place in West Hollywood. Yeah. That's no longer. And it was a party that he was hosting. And it was kind of like a pool party. And I remember you being there and being as beautiful as you, like, gorgeous. And had this star quality.

I hadn't heard any. I hadn't heard any of your music. I don't even know if you were making music yet, but you were dating a mutual friend. Yes. Yeah. But I don't know. Were you making music at that point? Yeah, we were together actually. And that was, that relationship was also my first collaborative. Can I help at all? No, not at all. Just please. I will tell you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We, that wasn't the first time I ever wrote with anyone else ever, like, you know, there was ever production involved. But your music was so formative to that relationship.

That's so sweet. It is. You know, But you know when like there's a song that feels so core to a relationship, especially like your first love. Oh, go. It was so central to that time. And it was, it's just a, it's so funny how things happen. And now I get to sit at your table. And then the last time I saw you was at Bafda. Yeah.

And you were on the, on the row on your own because your partner's film had just won another award. Yeah. As they were all doing a photo and you were there and you were clapping and it was so sweet. Your performance was insane. I don't know how you deal with that, especially for that particular slot, is like such an honor to... But I mean, you know about performing. You've performed.

Like, I don't know whether you ever get... Have you have coping strategies with how you, like... How can you get rid of the dry throat? Like, the dry throat is there. I don't know. And I also am weirdly... Because we've had a break from tour since September. and this is the longest break that we've had

and this past week we just did BBC Live Lounge and it was the first performance that we've done in a minute. I was shocked at how scared I got. It was like this weird, I think because when you're used, your nervous system adjusts to whatever the normal is. And so for tour it stopped being a thing that I got nervous for, like shows weren't freaking me out.

I think because you're with your people all the time. It just feels like another day, but I was really anxious. I've kind of been like kind of anxiety's been shooting back up recently. I think that's completely understandable. You have this record, which by the way, I think is beautiful. Thank you. Daughter from Hal. Thanks.

It's really, I mean, you are an accomplished songwriter, of course, but it's kind of meditative, it's intimate. It has like these moments that like you have, look at my life, is it look at my life? You are one of the greatest melody makers. Oh God, no, that's crazy for you to say. No, like literally my husband and I, I was, we were driving yesterday,

it was perfect driving music, we were listening, the sums out, and you know your melodies by the second chorus, you're singing it along, which is quite, it's remarkable, but also the storytelling in it is beautiful. Thank you. It's like a title come from.

Yeah. It was the last song that I wrote for that album, and it's a song for my mom. And it's like an apology, sort of. And a thank you note as well. And sort of this, because I felt, growing up, I felt like I was quite difficult. And I know I was difficult. And I think as I grow up and just have more perspective generally,

but also more love for everyone in my life and more concern as a result. for everyone in my life. I think about how heinous it must have been for my parents to... You're a challenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I now, you know, I think when you're a kid and you have whatever the dynamic is with your family, you don't ever imagine that it will be different.

And we've, I think, very much earned the closeness that we all have, which is such a gift. but has also made me feel like this weird, try not to grip it too tight, but I want as much times I can get with them and as much of their wisdom, and they've been so patient with me my whole life. And anyway, so that's, the song is for my mom.

Where did you come in the order of siblings? And I have an older brother and... Okay, so I've heard this theory that middle children are, you know, can be, no, tricky. Yeah, certainly. I think, well, my older brother, Henry is a year older than I am. Okay. And I think maybe because of the like pace at which girls maybe like develop quicker or more. I don't know. I was a bit more like socially, I was kind of like ambitious and wanted to be older than I was. And I think based on who in the house needed most immediate attention, it sort of like left this gap for me to go try.

to find it elsewhere in places that were not always, you know, like smart or safe. And so there was, my, my approach was like kind of sneak around. And I think. So you were naughty. You were naughty. Yeah. But isn't that about growing up and becoming independent? For sure. I definitely don't think I'm, you know, a particularly special case or anything.

But I do still feel guilty. Can I also tell you one of my favorite on the record and forgive me if I can't say the name? The one where you go, if only you didn't adore me. That is the, if only, oh, good reason. Good. Oh, that is like a Mazzie start. Oh, thank you. I don't know if that.

I love that song. It's heartbreaking. Thanks. Thank you. It's so beautiful. Thank you. Do you know Sarah Arons? I love Sarah Arons.

I wrote that. Yeah, you have. She's amazing. We did. I miss you. I'm sorry together. She was the first person when I left college and she was the first person I had a session with

and it was the best thing because it was like you know we were a few years apart and it was just I went over to her house and I remember being so scared having left school just kind of attempting to see what it would feel like to not be because I loved being in school I loved being with so many people my age

and coming back to LA I just felt so funny and odd When you say school, does that mean university? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was only there for a year. And I loved it. What were you studying? International relations. And I, yeah, it wasn't like a, I hate school, get me out.

I really loved it. Do you think you'd go back to it and finish it? Yeah, I'm still on a leave of absence. So I hope to. I hate to break it to you, Gracie, I don't know if you're going back in each time soon. I hope so. I hope so. I have a friend who went to Columbia as well who, he, Aaron Dezner who I made the album with.

We're like, he did graduate, but like, let's go back together. Because our campuses were attached, 26. Yeah, baby, you're like, you can go, my husband's retraining is an osteopath now and he's 40. So, yeah, but like, that's convenient. Yeah, well, if he bloody do anything, I said to him last night, I said, babe, my ankles are hurting a little bit. And he went back to his book. Can he do, like, massage?

It's kind of fascia. Like, in theory. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm sure he can when he's, he's, in the clinic working on other bodies. But, so if we were coming around to your house, what would you be making for us? Breezed leaks. Okay, delicious.

Which is my favorite food right now. Where were they inspired by? Have you been somewhere and eaten them? No, actually. Corey Larkin is her name, I think. This chef. I love her. The French cook.

Have you made her leaks? No, but they're the ones where they look very pretty. You're obsessed with her? Is this on Instagram? Yes, she's really cool. I just did, for Vogue recently, did they have like a cooking series? And I just did that and I was so stressed about what to make and I've just made that a million times. So I decided to go with that.

And it was, it ended up being the best that en a martini, which is my favorite drink. Gin. And for extra dirty. Yeah. What's your choice? Mine is vodka. I, I, you say extra dirty. I say filthy.

Yeah. That's probably the better way to say it. But I like, I go vodka. cut but I love it and um I had a big argument with Ray Fines about like a blue cheese olive in there too I've actually never done a little creaminess in it yeah but weren't it probably really good or cloudy yeah I love when it's cloudy yeah I always get a sidecar of brine yes yes oh where have you found the best martini in london like a little low true low okay where's true no it's uh in Islington.

Yeah. So you do us the braesleaks. Yeah. Is that like a main or a side or a star? I, in my house it is a main. Okay. But you're having anything with it on the side? Yeah.

Yeah, like roast. I mean, it's all of it kind of, I eat everything, but I've been making lots of like roast vegetable things these days, roast carrots. Delicious. And again, sort of like, I think because my favorite food is, is like a one pan, just like slow roast meat. plus veg that it's just like that's my fantasy but that the leaks with sourdough toasted just like

pulled apart it's insanely good it's insanely good and i've also been making um lots of like different kinds of toasts like sardine toasts and things like tell me what you're doing yeah what do you put on the top of your sardines are you a vinegar girl no okay no i've been doing this like um this this would kind of be like a lunch I suppose but oh my god it's such a what this is quite American

Dutch baby it's a savory she knew do you like a Dutch baby yeah of course I've done it savory and I was going to put smoke salmon and creme fresh on it

Oh my god when did you start getting into Like have you always been a master chef She doesn't like cooking actually Oh what? Why in this gig? Because she's good at it Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Did you, was this like, did you have every meal growing up? She always cooked, yeah. Wow. And she's always up for giving something a shot. That does look impressive. That is insane.

Looks fab. It smells so good. I know. So, okay, so roasted stuff. Okay, so. Roasted stuff, but sardine toast. Yes, sorry, yes. Rubbed garlic on the bread.

Yeah. Yeah. And then I've been doing like sun gold tomato, all in a bowl. like sun gold tomatoes ricotta shaved parm um lots of parsley um this sounds delicious lemon zest and juice and then that goes down on the bread hot honey and sardines and it's so good that sounds absolutely delicious it's so fresh did you make this up yourself yeah this was but this is after like many rounds of attempted sardine toast that was kind of like less impressive you know it

It's so delicious. It just tastes like summer. And then serving drinks, would you, would you, because you make martinis. I don't ever make a martini, but I feel like maybe I should start. You should. But I don't do it in a nice way. I have like jars. You can just do, if you're doing it just for yourself, just in a jar.

Like an old bean jar. But I also was told that a gin martini shouldn't be shaken. Okay. Why? I don't know. I don't know. I was kind of like, um, after making one on the internet, I was, people were letting me know, I did it super wrong.

I guess. which I'm like, but... So you're getting troubled about your... You're just going to not look. I was like, oh, I love my martinis. Oh my goodness. Oh, Mom looks beautiful. Gordolina.

Lovely. It's a Dutch baby that's now collapsed a bit, but it's got smoked salmon dill and you make it with herbs and a bit of parmesan, sour cream, but help yourself. Thank you. And there's some avocado and things.

No, you help yourself, darling. No. And, um, Okay, so when we're coming around for our Brazleaks, yes. What music would you be playing at your party? Nina Simone? Okay, wow.

I've actually, and then, well, this is mornings, so, but I would just be on the way here after listening to your record. I put on Billy Martin. Do you ever listen to her? No, should I listen to Billy Martin? Okay, Fab. You help yourself? No.

Okay, fine. I mean, I will, but. I don't think you're a daughter from hell, actually. I think you're very well-bought up. Grace's like. I'm going to do that. You do that the rest of it, yeah. well. But I guess for cooking, I like to listen to Janko Reinhart when cooking. Just something

that feels like up. You know what I mean? Okay. Um, we, yeah, that's, that's on in the house often. Have you had to listen to a lot of beetles? Yes. Avocados. What's the, what's a beetle deep cut that we should all be listening to? Oh God, I'm like, what is a Beatles deep cut? I don't even know if they exist. Do you want some avocado? This is insane. This is insane. This is delicious, mum. It's kind of a bit like a Yorkshire pudding, but like, you know, an elevated Yorkshire living. But that's what a Dutch baby is.

Well, okay, fine. What is it? I got it right. I don't know about your shopping. What? No, sorry. What is it? The Yorkshire pudding, you have it with your roast on a Sunday roast.

I've never had that. It's almost like this. Gracie, you haven't lived. What is it? It's a basic, it's... Similar to this. But you have it and you have loads of gravy and in the dip, you put the gravy and you have it with your meat.

Whoa. It's like a carbid delicious pancake on your plate. I'm down. Mm-hmm. Have you had a barbecue yet, Gracie? No. Not here. You know, like, the Brits, it's our thing when...

I've never heard that. Okay, in the summer, it's like, when the sun comes out, and you smell a barbecue on the road, you're like... And then you open rosé wine. Mm. You must be inaugurate, like, into the British summertime. Well... You must burn sausages on a barbecue.

I need to get into that bit. It's making me realize, like, my, I have a very, like, I think it's a more like Irish-leaning existence of living in London. Do you know what I mean? I've never heard of the. So do you like Irish food? Yeah. Do you know about Irish potato chips, the crisps? Oh, we had a guest on.

Who did we have? Tato. My favorite is salt and vinegar. Oh, yeah. So we had Otis Mabusi on, but there's a particular make of tatoes, I think they're called. I'm familiar. I'm now familiar. But yeah, I need to get barbecuing. You really do, but you're a real Brit when you walk past and you go,

someone's having a barbecue. I had a gorgeous, very, like, neighborly evening. A neighbor had, like, she was so cool. I hadn't even met her yet, but she slipped a note under the door and said that she was having curry night where she was teaching all these ladies to make curry. And I went over for, and I was coming late on your own. I texted her, yes, but we have a mutual friend.

Okay, fine. I thought that was very brave of you, Gracie. I felt brave of you, Gracie. I was like, I'm, I do, it's in these moments where I realize I'm like, so I am kind of quite introverted still sometimes. But anyway, but I went over and it was the most amazing food ever, and she, and they'd all, all of these women who were so incredible, I came late because I was coming from work and she said it was not inappropriate to come late that I should still cook.

So I went by felt very bad, but brought wine and tried to make up for it by cleaning. Did you get to cook? I didn't get to cook anything, but I ate, but then she had printed, I keep dropping my knacken, but she printed out all these sheets of how to make everything. So I took all these pictures. So I'm going to try to recreate it myself. But it was such a beautiful, I don't know, I just love, I love people who make food. the centre of an event.

I've got some bits for dessert as well. What do you mean? Well, it's not really dessert. Well, Mum, you've already made the most beautiful thing. Yeah, no, no. I've made some compot, which is just very compot, with I'm mad about vanilla yogurt that Mots and Spencers make. But we've also made.

Well, you, well, I, okay. This is a disclaimer. I actually didn't, because I went for a blood test this morning. So my perfectly wonderful rose. my nanny, I was like, listen, mum has told me to make these cookies. She came and delivered them. Apparently you really like this New York Times banana cookie.

Yeah. So that's what we've made. What? I say we, I've done nothing. Stop, really? I'm going to flip the table. Are you kidding? Yeah, but I also know.

That was like during COVID. Yeah. Like every day. Yeah, but you got quite obsessed with them. Yeah. But then also you would change it up. So I'm a bit worried that these are a bit too, you know, basic for you. Oh my God.

So you can, yeah. You can take them her way with you. So that's fine. I'm going to freak out. Oh my God. Thank you. That's so thoughtful. You know what?

I didn't have very ripe bananas. But I don't know whether this is a hack. Rosie put it in the oven, the banana. Oh, I've never heard of that. So it went black, like you put it on the barbecue. And then she was like, well, now it's sweet and more kind of overripe. So listen, you know the drill because you listen to this podcast. Last Supper.

Mm-hmm. Starter. Put, drink of choice. You may have already answered the drink of choice. Okay, I mean, I would say the leaks are really truly central to my life now.

You get hyperfixated on things, and this is your thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's, like, creamy and caramelized and kind of amazing and delicious with the bread. And then I would want my mom's chicken. It was lots of time and, like, a roguer salad on the side

and a baked sweet potato. Do you know what I had, I don't think we can get here, the Japanese sweet potatoes. I had it at all time. It's the best thing I've ever eaten. You can't get them here. No.

Really? No, they're like caramelized and chewed. Yeah, they're unreal. They're like the best thing. They're like the best sweet potato in the world. In the world, they're called Japanese. And they're more like across China yamina sweet potato. Yeah, it gets so.

What color is. are they? They're more yellow. They're, they're yellow on the inside. Right, more yellow than orange. But they do them and they go crispy on the outside. Was that all time the most expensive place in the world? Yeah, it's on Hillhurst.

Is it Hillhurst or Frankman? It's delicious, by the way. If you're listening, you are delicious, but you are very sparing. So we've got your mum's raised chicken. Yeah, chicken and the sweet potato, which either regular baked potato or sweet potato. Okay. Which is very my grandmother in my head.

and then a dessert. Yeah, what's your dessert? Now it's the Trulow chocolate sorbetto. Oh. That's like pretty insane. Is it delicious? It's insane. It is the best ice cream of sorts.

What makes it a sorbetto? I don't know. That's just what it is on the menu. It sounds a bit cuter, doesn't it? It's incredible. And now I'm thinking of lots of other things. Yeah, no, you can have a trio if you want. I like dates in the fridge, like super chewy, cold dates.

Now I think it's just I'm thinking like on a summer's day. It's quite hot. Have you tried dates in the freezer with peanut butter inside? Best in the world. So good. Like, so good, but I don't like when people are kind of made. Like, have snickers at home. I'm like, it's a different thing.

Yeah, it is a different thing. I think it's better, but I, you know, all of the, like, comparing. How are you finding the chocolate here? It's incredible. It's better, isn't it? It is better. I like the buttons. Oh, the dairy milk buttons.

You're going to get them now all the time. You know this. Do your fans give you stuff when you say something? Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I like the button. What's the most kind of absurd thing that they've given you? Oh, God. Well, we get just like obscene amounts of the same foods, like snacks or things.

We've gotten, and there's been like a fair amount. of fans who like bring baby photos of themselves which sometimes like why okay what was that because that was a conversation no no no just that's like a thing that's happened that i'd go oh um thank you one time in the in the bus the lights were turned low i was opening an envelope and pour it out what was inside and it was little tiny white rocks but i thought it was drug teeth oh oh oh i thought I swear to God and I was like, yeah, drugs. Little, little white.

Okay, so you thought it was baby tea. If you'd like some, Gracie. Thank you. Oh my God, but can I serve you please first? No, you help yourself. Do you know what they were? They were little, like, quartz. Oh, like for like, you know, clarity. Oh, sweet.

Very sweet, but for a moment it was very nerve-wracking. But this kind of, the notion, the notion of the fan girl, you have fan girls, you have a huge fan base. I think like in this time just with the internet, it used to be the thing of like, oh, this is insane, you guys. I am so grateful. But I, well, that's very, you're very well-clan.

No, it is like insane to be, you know, feels like home in all the ways now. It's delicious, isn't it? It is good, this great yogurt. Oh, it's so delicious. But yeah, the fan girl, it's like a real thing. You see it with you, Taylor.

Olivia Dean. Oh, you know, my lover. She's fantastic. I just was watching videos of her show last night and I was

her first headline show in Ireland ever and there were 40,000 people can you imagine your first headline just. I mean, her stater. Yeah, but anyway,

sorry, yes. I think because it's like the pariscial thing. Like, the ability to have access to someone who's stories you connect with just like in your palm

feels like there's a real closeness there. But I also grew up with that being the norm, like Stan culture being like so at the forefront of like any artist's kind of movement. It's like there is so I think sometimes being on the receiving end of it can shock me. But I also in the culture I understand what it's about. You know, I just think when it, when it comes back to you, your son, I was like, whoa, wow. Yeah. Whoa.

Yeah. Yeah, I can understand that. But it's such a, it's such a compliment, you know, that coming from a place of people, for whatever reason, my music meaning something to them or, you know, all of the music that I grew up being obsessed with, yours included. It's like you just do feel like it's speaking to something in your life. And so that's my, that's my favorite thing. so I do get it. I feel like you had such an incredible moment at Glastonbury, but I do feel like you could return next year.

Oh, I would die. Does this, I feel like, okay, here's what I'm saying. Taylor Swift headlines, Gracie Abrams the crowd up just before that. This is what I'm saying is going to happen. There's nothing like opening for Taylor Swift. When did you first meet Taylor Swift? It was like right after quarantine was lifted, I want to say. So you're quite young.

Yeah. We've known each other for a second now. In my mind, it feels like yesterday still. But we met at her birthday. I got like a text from a number that I didn't have saved. I thought it was just a joke. And she had invited me to her birthday and I went. And she was just immediately like the warmest and, yeah, most kind of like inclusive.

and yeah, it was crazy. But her shows are pretty ridiculous. I went to the ear as one, yeah. At Wembley? Yeah, you weren't, it was paramour. I wasn't with her, but I went out for one of the, which was two years ago,

but when my album came out, she was on one of the songs. And we, yeah, and we did that for the first time at Wembley, which was a, no big deal. Before we let you go, which I would like not to, but.

Do you like it? Yeah. It's really good. It's really good, mum. Yeah, you definitely, and I'd like you to take some with you as well. Really? Yeah, of course. What about your kids?

Oh, fuck them. Do you want to a bit, Jessie? Yes, please. A nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere. That's all sad, really. It's funny, my... My best friend, Audrey, during COVID, before we, we ended up moving in together after COVID,

but we would make these for each other and drop them off at each other's houses during the pandemic. It was just like, it is so strange. Even then we would live together and I'd come home sometimes from Tor and she'd have made some. It's just like one of those, you know, it's so strange you don't think like something's going to stick in a lot.

Maybe it says it wasn't right, banana. It's delicious though. Is that Audrey Hove? Who is amazing? You write a lot with it. Start. Mm-hmm. We did loads of the last album together.

You also did mini bar on this one, do you? Which is great. Thank you. It's so fun that one. Really fun. We wrote that the same week that we did. That's so true. And they kind of remind me of each other a little bit and they're like, Zissippie kind of like. Yeah.

But anyway, she's the best. So this makes me think of her. Um, feels quite nostalgic to me. Gracie Abrams. Good luck with your record. Daughter from Hell. It's really accomplished and brilliant. Thank you guys so much. So much for having me.

Such a pleasure. Nothing is going to talk this. And hydrate. In this hot weather. Yes, I will. I will, I will. And barbecue. Yeah, and barbecue.

Yeah, cheers. Cheers. Thank you guys. Thank you, guys. Gracie Abrams, looking divine, being, I think, one of the most helpful guests we've ever had. Wanted to basically do the washing up.

Definitely not a daughter from hell. No, I think I was today. Yeah. So appreciative of the food. Yeah. It was delicious, ma'am. Did you like it? Yeah.

Didn't think it was going to work, did you? Well, no, I hate to break it to you, but I also did a savoury Dutch baby. When was that? A while ago. Probably wasn't as good as mine. It's not a competition then. But it was yours was very nice. It was very nice.

Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you for doing all the food. Shame they go down, though. They come up and you think, I've made it. And then you put them out and it all goes flopping at the bottom. Maybe it's, the taste was there, Lenny. The taste was there.

Gracie Abrams record, Daughter from Hell, is out on the 17th of July. Go and get it. It's really beautiful. And we'll see you next week for more table months.