Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Hilary Duff

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

It’s a pop emergency this week as we have Hilary Duff joining us on the podcast! Fresh from her smash sell out London show, Hilary joined us for lunch to talk about her brand new album ‘Luck… Or Something’. We chatted about being a mum of 4, growing up in Texas, we swapped sourdough starter tips, heard about writing the album with her husband, she shared her thoughts on being compared to Sabrina Carpenter, where to eat in LA, and Hilary confesses she actually stopped at Brick Lane for a quick bagel en route to the recording! We can’t wait to see her headline at The O2 later this year when she kicks off her huge world tour. Hilary’s album ‘Luck… Or Something’ is a great record and it’s available to buy everywhere now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oh, and welcome to Tablemanors. I'm Jessie Watt and I'm here in my house with my mum looking pretty and pink. Thank you very much. Very nice. I thought Disney. It's almost a Percy Pick, isn't it? It is a little bit, though, isn't it? I thought it was more Disney Princess. Oh.

And I thought, big week and you've done all the cooking and I thought to myself, I could get used to this. Oh, all right, Mom. Thank you. We're recording us the week that my first single for my new album is released, and Mum has been. a very proud Jewish mother. You look gorgeous. That is the publicist at the door of our next guest. We are very excited to have this guest. She has just played her first show in 20 years last night.

20 years. At Shepp's Bush Empire. Hilary Duff is coming on. Now, Hillary Duff is younger. Younger. She's in the Netflix show called Yanga. She's Lizzie. She was Lizzie McGuire.

Yeah. She was an international best-selling artist. She has a few followers on it. How many does she have? 27 million, I think. Oh my God. Yeah. She's incredibly successful and she is back with a really brilliant new album.

I loved it. It's quite naughty. It's quite explicit, shall we say. There's no innuendo. There's no, it's right out there. Well, what's roommates about touching yourself at the front door? Well, you listen to the album, Lenny. I think it's very relatable.

Do you? Not that I'm touching myself at the front door. When you hear that bell go, you must get really excited. Jesus Christ, anyway, Hilary Juff is coming on to talk about the record. She just played a sold-out show at Shepherds Bush Empire last night. It sold out in like seconds. Tickets were going for over a grand to get in last night. She looked gorgeous. She didn't.

She had loads of costume changes. She's so pretty. She's pretty. She seems like a gorgeous gal. Oh, she could be my friend. Oh, really? Yeah, and she's so sweet and lovely and benefiting from her relationship with an older woman that she doesn't know is older. I think I was in the wrong age bracket. Yeah, you don't. For Lizzie McGuire. Yeah. But I have Disney class. So that's what my daughter's going to be watching. I'm very excited to have Hillary Duff on. I'm cooking with help from my darling Rosie. I think. I felt like Hillary's probably on a promo run. Well, I know she's on a promo run. She's probably a bit tired, probably wants to make sure that she's being able to do.

Have you done a bowl? I've done a bowl. Well, everyone from L.A. loves a bowl, darling. That's what I thought, Mum. It's a sticky mezzo salmon bowl. And it's by Andy Baragani. And I've done his recipes before, I think. And he's really good.

And Joe, who helps us with the washing up, she'd done this recipe a few weeks ago. She said it was great. It's basically a marinade. of miso honey, tiny bit of oil, grapefruit zest and grapefruit juice. Is it easy? I hope so, yes. Yeah.

Rosie's also brought her rice cooker, which I'm just going to get a rice cooker. Yeah. I've got a rice cooker to make Persian erroneous. Yeah. Well, I'm making sushi rice in there. So I was going to sushi rice, sticky miso, salmon that's grilled. And then I got really beautiful those watermelon radishes. You know the ones that look pretty.

Oh, they're lovely. And then we're going to have some kimchi. I know you don't like it, but it's good for your gut. And I've got some chili crisp. So it's a bit of everything. Hopefully very easy to eat and we'll keep her, you know, focused with the omega-3s. So, and then for Pud, you text me last night saying I'm really worried about my dessert. I've done lemon creme brule.

But you said these could be the shixtest creme rouleys. I think I slightly overcooked them. But they look all right. And I think when you grill them, that it will melt down anyway. So I put. Marara sugar on the top. Have you got a blowtorch about your person? I'm sure Hillary could add that into the old album, couldn't she say something about a blow torch? But yeah, I don't think I had after, I think after we did it with Haley Squires, I think we decided that was the last time we did crumbruly.

It's very brave to, I think maybe we should just use the grill today, Lenny. Because you said that the creme brulee wasn't very good, Rosie had the genius idea. I was like, maybe I should just give her a cookie. You reveal everything, Jessie. And then when she tastes it, it'll taste like shit. It was between you and I. That comment was between you and I. I'm not sure about my creme brulee.

Okay. Wasn't for public consumption. I'm sure it's going to be great though. And the arc here is going to be that everyone says your creme brule is amazing. No, it won't. It'll be fine. Okay, well, I made an emergency cookie in case. Toasted jam, mezzo, white chocolate cookie.

Lungi's always baking. Oh my God, I'd like to meet Lungi. Well, you're going to taste a very delicious cookie. Looks fabulous. Yeah, so we're going to have cookies in Brumbrel. I think this is fine. Good. Hillary Duff coming up on table months.

Hillary Duff, as I live and breathe. Look fantastic. Gorgeous. Are you slightly tired? Because after a sold-out, fabulous return to the stage last night. Yeah. Does it feel good? Oh, yeah.

Did you get any sleep last night? No. Was the adrenaline? My body was like, my body was like, but no, I got four hours asleep, so. Oh, you have very. I know.

I know. I mean, we called dirty, dirty diet coax. I try not to drink them too often. Oh, shut up, Henry. It's fine. Why is that? Dirty, dirty, dirty coke. What's dirty, dirty?

Okay, let's enjoy it, shall we? Jesus. Is this one mine? Yeah, crack-up. And then, you know, I did get some orange wine because you do sing about it on the record. So you're going to have to educate us on orange wine because I can't stand it.

You hate it? I'm going to be selfless. Isn't it wine a wine, baby? Let's get our buzz on. I feel like it's a little, I can't do too, no, farm yard I was going to say. Oh, farm yard. Yeah, do you know, but it's a little funky. Too earthy.

Do you like a natty, a natty wine? To be honest with you, I prefer like a Sansera Sauvignon Blanc. Oh, but. I've probably got something like that too, babes. What would you prefer? So my, I love that you listened and you. By the way, I didn't just listen. I studied and I respect and love the record.

I think it's fantastic. I think you're going to have a fabulous time because honestly, Hillary, like, it's really great. And I have to say, I think we're of a, are you going to turn 40 soon? I am 38. I'll be 39 in September. Okay. So I'm a couple of years older than you. Maybe three or four years, whatever.

But I kind of missed you the first time around. Okay. I knew so. yesterday and you were played on the radio but I really I feel like and I've listened to all the records and I feel like this makes so much sense that you've made this record and it's a kind of continuation I don't feel like you've gone like this to any of your fans who I know you adore it's kind of like they've grown up with you yeah and as a mother of three and a working mom and a singer and doing all these different bits and bobs I really related to a lot of the content

And, you know, I'm not necessarily giving head in a dive bar yet. Me not. Me, you can't say that in front of Lenny. Oh, we've been talking about what she, I'm going to do. What you do at the, with your roommate. Yeah. You're at the front door. Oh, no.

I love that you say you can't talk about it with Lenny. It's a single, babes. No, I know, I know. So who is giving head in the dive bar to Hillary? I was just talking about this on the radio and I was like, I feel, you know what, Ronchi is like a big word that you guys use. in England. Like, that's not.

I don't use it in mistakes. Like, it feels like, very, like, it feels naughty. Like, raunchy is, like, naughty. It's naughty. Okay, so when I listen. But kind of nice naughty. Okay. Elevated naughty.

Yeah. We'll take it. Yeah. I think if you listen to the song as a whole, you realize that the theme is, like, actually, like, a desperate plea to, like, get back to a place with someone that is lost. Yes.

And so, like, back at the dive bar giving you head is, like, reminiscing on, like, a wild. their freer time. I've never actually given head in the back of a dive bar. I don't want to make anybody sad, but actually never have it. Still time. Still time. It's a dive bar. Oh, a dive bar is like a dirty, grungy little, like, corner. You'll have like, what, you'll have like a pickle bat with you. You'll have a chase. Yeah. You guys don't have dive bars here? Like, we have parts. It's like not a fancy spot. It's just like a neighborhood little spot. So you bought, I can imagine where it is in, in kind of New York, you walk down some steps and it's, yeah. And like,

There's like no windows. Football's playing or they've got like good, what kind of music would be in a dive bar? Rock? They don't, do they have music in a dive bar? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay. I guess it just depends on what kind of bar, like if it's a sports bar, they're probably like playing rock, right? Where do you imagine yourself giving head, which kind of dive bar?

Jessica. I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I hope they're like spinning a record, like vinyl. Like that seems a little cooler. With natural one. Let's elevate this, okay?

I love this. Lanny, what about? you what would they be playing in the dark one god probably tamla motown oh okay what's that what's what's tamla motown what is it educate me tamer you know what mad motown oh motown why did you say tamla that's what it was always called tamla motown okay tamla tamla tamla tamla tamla tamla tamla i don't know adam will tell me why it was called tamla motown that was the label was it was it yeah label people in the back well okay thank you thank you um um but I think that like, you know, talking about drinking wine, reminiscing all these things.

I mean, I guess when you, you've got four kids. Yeah. And what I find interesting is that you made this record with your husband, who you've made music with before. Yeah. But was this kind of, I want to know, was the conversations about these songs, did they happen before making or did the deep conversation have to happen after you came out with some of these lines? Like I feel like was it very therapeutic? Was it confronting? Yeah.

I think it was a combination of both. But the thing that was, I knew I only wanted to work with him on the record, right? Why is that? I had never made a record like that before where I got to really, I don't want to say I don't control the narrative. Because like I'm so involved in all the records that I've made. never like I've never really like put the gates up and just been like very like singular about it I guess or insular about it is that the better word like it's always been like oh like you should be working with this person because they have this song this song and like and you should fly to

Sweden because all the pop stuff's coming out of Sweden and you should like a lot of like input input input and not that it was bad it totally like got me on my way like it it was my journey and my path and it took but it took me getting it. getting to this age to be like, how do I want to do this? Have your own autonomy. Yeah. And be true to yourself. And be true to myself and make something that was just like really, really.

I mean, I took 10 years off and I did a whole bunch of life during that 10 years as a human being would. But Matt has had a front row seat to that whole time frame. So it just seemed like the themes that would come that are like a heavily. threaded through the record are very just like me and things that I've gone through and it didn't make sense to like bring anybody else into that. I guess that's what I think is so telling about the lyrics because they are incredibly open, you know, something like the optimist. It's like, you know, it's heartbreaking and yeah. And you know, I guess you felt safe enough with your partner to be able to put that into music. It wasn't like working with strangers and being like, how do I explain this part of my

life and I found that really engaging and interesting and also you know we were talking about this before we're going to get on to you know your start and all of that but um you were kind of the first Disney star to go and do all the rest like the pop the breakout you know the Miley's the demis and Salinas came after you yeah and you know I heard lots of these references on the record maybe I'm wrong but like I could hear a bit of Taylor Swift in there all or like a bit of Sabrina. And we thought about this and we were like, well, they were probably all listening to you

when they were little. Yeah. And they grew up on you. So it's kind of gone full circle. Yeah. Is that right? Well, yeah. But I have a really hard time talking about other female artists

and like trying to compare or like, you know, the internet is so fast to hear something one time and then be like, oh, reheated Sabrina. And you're like, first of all. By the way, I'm not saying it's reheated Sabrina. No, no, no. I'm just saying like a cruel like internet take is like wild and you're like well I will I am older and I was here first and you know it's not there's like plenty of space obviously for everyone but

every music is just it's very hard to be completely original anymore you just have to go in the studio and make what you think is cool and make what feels what you want to fucking blast in the car excuse my French and and be alone with your like windows down driving like that's the record I wanted to make. And, you know, it's pop. So pop is pop. And a lot of that takes like cues from other songs or sounds. And if anything, it's a compliment because like these women are out there and feels

like they've put a lot more time and then me, I stepped away to have a family, you know? I don't know. But you were working at a very young age, baby. That was like your sabbatical that you were having, you were well deserving. But it's quite guttural, some of the lyrics, like Alonis Morissette, for example. I mean, she's very guttural, you know, in the. her openness and real feelings. Yeah.

How old your oldest child? He's 13. Will he be listening to it? Oh yeah. He's listened to the referee. And have you had to explain anything to him? Well, he hasn't asked about, I feel like, talking about some of the roommate lyrics or something. He doesn't bring it up, but we've already had the talk about everything and I've explained everything to him.

So you don't have to shield him from it? At 13, what am I going to do? No, no, no, you won't shield him, but I wondered if, yeah. If he was, like, embarrassed or something like that? Or his friends might tease him about it. Oh, God, make her feel like. You've already thought. I've already thought about it.

I just wondered whether she, of course you've thought about it. Yeah. I mean, I really desperately love to embarrass him. I feel like it's my right. It's your time. But his friends think I'm cool for the, like, time being. I'm sure they do. Yeah. And sometimes I ask if it's embarrassing to him.

He's the kindest, sweetest angel baby of all time. Like, he's just all good inside. And so it's like, like, he, he's just like, I'm really proud of you, mom. I'm really proud of me. I know. It makes me want to cry. He's really sweet. Yeah.

But when he does, if he does ask something, I'm going to be like, hey, guess what? Like, outside of being your mom, I'm a human. And I think that's just a great way to, like, open the conversation to connect with him. So he knows that anything that he could ever think or feel or say or do, he could come to me. out, you know? Yeah. And I think that's really important. By the way, you don't look like a mum of four. She looked, honestly, you looked so young. Really young. How old were you when you I was 24? That is quite young. Yeah. Probably isn't quite young for the old days, but it is quite young these days. Yeah. Also, I'm sure you kind of, I don't know, like, you probably felt more grown up

than the usual 24 year old because you'd had a working job from the age of four nine. Yes. And I was so ready to like have something that belonged to just me you know like so I was ready like he was planned and but it was really a wild choice when I look back as a 38 year old now I'm like who was that pregnant getting like doing such adult things even though I you know employed people and like made millions of dollars and like traveled around the world like with a major major job that was definitely the biggest like grown up responsibility you know as somebody who does music and I have free kids and I have a slight envy of you that you were able to take this time out and I'm not saying you weren't doing anything in the time when you weren't you know your last record was 10 years ago yeah but I do there's something really beautiful that you really talk about this a lot and like celebrating that time with your children and I feel like my career is happening at the same time you know what I mean and so so you're like don't get the time with them that you...

I mean, I get as much time as possible and I try and, you know, I'm going to do the school pickup and I, you know, I do all the things, I'll make sure, I'll be putting them to bed, but there's time when I'm not going to be here. And so, but also think, you know, things take you away. And I think it was harder at the beginning. I think it definitely was harder at the beginning.

And I think we found our feet and I have an amazing support network and I've been able to like work it out better. But I do think it's kind of wonderful that you were able to focus in. and I'm interested and I don't want to sound like that kind of textbook. Well, how are you going to manage your job? Because you're a woman. It's not that at all. But like touring's going to be different for you this time around, huh?

I know. Do you plan to like bring the kids with? Because I know is your husband here at the moment? He's such an angel that he flew in to the show. He flew out this morning. I know he's going to go back, have like two days with our kids so they don't not have one of us there. And then meet me in Toronto. No, do the same. And then we'll go to New York and then our nanny's flying with our baby because I can't go, I can't go 10 days.

How's your baby? She's 21 months. I know. I know. And she's so cute. You guys, she's obsessed with seaweed right now. And so she's learned how to say it. And she's like, flea-fweed. Fee-fee-feeed. And we're like, I just want to like watch the video on repeat over and over again. But I got divorced from my son's dad. And I was filming younger at the time. So I spent a ton of time away. and it was really hard because I was like on the East Coast and I didn't want to like disrupt his life. And so he was like in kindergarten already and the school's very like, you know, the kids can't miss. And it's not like, you know, it's. Do you live in L.A.? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. But I do, I did exactly the same. Like I just had to find the support system. And, you know, the people around that have like basically become our family that can help, you know, know, know that every single one of our. our days looks different. Like it's not, it's not, and they can just like adapt and know what's needed and like jump in and be like so helpful and comforting and loving and whatever and be my brain for me when I can't be the one to like, you know, orchestrate the ship. But I think they'll come on tour. And the other thing that happened to me a couple of weeks ago was I was in rehearsal and surprises

really, I'm not good with surprises because I like to process and like wrap my head. I don't think I'm a control freak, Hillary? You can actually ask my whole team that here. I barely ask any questions. I just show up and I'm like, okay, someone's figured it out for me. But you don't like surprises. I don't love surprises because I get nervous that like my reaction wasn't as what people wanted it to be. Okay, yeah. And I just need to like get my head around it. And then I'm happy usually. What did they do to you? They brought my tour bus out. And they like pulled me out of rehearsal and they were like, they were so excited to be like, this gorgeous bus. And it was absolutely gorgeous and so nice.

But I was like, how am I going to live on this with my four kids? Yeah, okay. They're like little slots for beds and like I just forget all of this. Do you have a star room at the back? Also, by the way, kids have to poop all the time. Yeah, I know. I'm very worried. Where are we stopping?

What are we doing? You can do the cling film trick. What, like, put every single time. No, I know. No, I know. I know. I have to like, you're like, I have to like, you're like, do they not that I have done the cling film.

Excuse me. Have they not elevated tour buses so you can have a poo? I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I know. Maybe we should go into the business, sorting out, being allowed to poo on a bus.

Don't you just feel like a good table conversation always sometimes ends talking about poop? Like, this has to. It's just the thing. Lenny's like, no. No, we love, I love, I mean, I'm kind of obsessed with, I think from having children. It's that like. It becomes a very comfortable topic. Yes, I love it.

Yeah. Okay, we're going to start talking about. have some food. We are going to feed you as well. But I need to know, you were born and brought up where? In Texas. In Texas. So how did that, when you started at PIC, because you were a child star, so did your whole family move with you? No. Oh, wow. So where did you live? So my mom started bringing us out to L.A. for like a few months at a time for like the seasons. There's like an episodic season and, um, forget what the other one's called. more movies type auditions and um so like pilot season pilot season that's in january isn't it

it used to be i don't know okay i can't remember but yes yes um and we were there for like a few months and we go back to texas and we come back and go back and forth you haven't got much of a texan accent yeah you we when we got out to l.A we got teased enough that you just drop it oh my goodness i know People thought we would like, we had like just dirt roads and like, you know, L.A. kids are not like, they're like, think that we like ride to school on horses and stuff. What? Love a steak. Yeah. I thought you'd love to stay.

So let's paint the picture. What's a memorable meal from your childhood and who was eating around the dinner table? Okay. So my dad used to cook a lot of steaks. Yeah. And he also used to go deer hunting. So we eat like benefits. Oh, my God. Okay. Bambi. Bambi.

Oh, my God. I know. I know. I mean, I didn't know any better. Delicious. No, I'm sure. I used to remember that they would also go quail hunting. Have you ever eaten quail? Eating quail legs, I think. Yeah, I've had quail once or twice. Okay, so when they shoot, why am I talking about this? This is so random. Because we're on a food podcast back. Okay. So when they shoot quail, it like sprays.

And so the bullet like sprays. So when you like, like, like eat it. You get shrapnel. Yes. And they used to call it shot and they'd be like careful. Don't get shot in your teeth or something and you don't want to like bite down too hard. You don't want to check your teeth. Yeah. So we ate some pretty crazy things. Tiny though quail. Yeah, they're really small. And they shot them. I think they had to get them down somehow. Yeah, they do. Do they fly in packs? I don't remember these. Okay. You are going out on that. I wasn't doing it. A memorable dish is really like what your dad would bring in. Okay, but my mom also cooked too.

And so like casserole. Yeah, she's a pretty good cook. Casseroles and stuff. And you and your sister around the dinner table. And then. We always had like a salad. Okay. I ate most meals together.

Or like, sorry, dinner. What time did you eat dinner? Early, like 5.30. Yeah, that would, you'd be. I love it. That's my favorite. Me? My favorite.

I'm back. Yeah. I want the early reservation. I want to be the first one walking in the restaurant. Oh my God. Oh my God. I'm 30. Same.

You make reservations for 5.30. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I'm like outside the door as soon as good. Get a glass of wine in. Oh, I did. And I was devastated. I was, I've never been like, I don't even mean hungover by like alcohol, just tired hungover. I was just like rocked. We don't eat till 10 in Greece. That is not okay. I agree. I'm not hungry at that point. I've gone like, what? It depends how your day's gone, really, and you've had a little sleep. Well, when you have young children that are waking up at the crack of dawn. Yeah, I don't know about that, like, luxurious lifestyle.

You show me the ways. Okay, so I'm going to put the salmon on. Yeah, I'm going to carry on talking about food. And you're going to carry on chatting, but I'm going to assemble. We're going to have a sticky miso salmon bowl with like sushi rice and radish. It's going to be, I felt like this is what you needed after your big night last night. Yeah. I'm just want to let you know I did not eat yesterday.

Oh, wow. So they're going to. You were nervous? Yeah. So she's starving. That's the key. Get on it, Jessie. Jessie.

Yeah. Did you notice that Hillary said she liked Sauvignon or a Sanssaintess? Yes. Let me see what I got, okay. Yeah, we could have a little drink. I want to make sure that you're okay. Yeah, okay, hold on. Right, what is that?

Oh, that looks a bit of you, babe. But no, maybe not. Hold on. That looks nice. Okay, it's a Chardonnay, though. Ooh. No. You too.

Completely with you. I'm completely with you. I make me feel sick if I had to. Wait, is it a French Chardonnay? Because I think they're too fucking mine. No, darling. They're too creamy and... I agree.

You liked you. You liked the look of it, though, didn't you? No, Jessie, it would be all creamy and dreary. I don't know what that is, because I can't read Italian. We don't want dreary. God, you fucking... Let me see, darling, because I can read... I don't know, it's Italian.

Oh, you... Oh, you're... Is that Leago? Okay, cool. It's... And I've got a fizzy orange. Which is maybe... San Giminiano, it's, it probably is quite nice.

Better than chardonnay. I hate chardonnay. Me too. I know. You like an old man, only old men drink chardonnay. Get out of them. They do, it's true. I love chardonnay.

You don't. I do. Why? Duff. It's actually very chic to like it now. No, it isn't, darling. No, it's not. By the way, I also know nothing about wine.

So this might be nice. Me neither. I really don't. I just can taste it and say I like it or I don't. That's exactly what I do. Yeah. But sometimes like a $9 bottle I love and like, you know what I mean? Let me say.

Cheers, cheers, darling. What is it? What is it? Is it okay? Oh, it's nice. It is nice. Fresh. It's fresh.

I don't meet a lot of wines I don't like to be honest. Me neither. Yeah. Except for Chardonnay. To be perfectly honest, I can drink anything. Do you like a chilled red? Anybody like a chilled red? I love a chilled red.

I love a chivalrys. I love a Lambruco. We're back in. We're fine God. Lamprosco? We can't. It's Lambresco now a thing. Oh, it's cool again. Oh my God, that fizzy wine.

Yeah, red, fizzy red. Fizzy red that kids take to pop festivals. No, no, it's quite chic now. Mum, why didn't you ask Hillary about the last supper? I'm going to ask you, first of all, do you cook? Yes. And what do you like to cook? I'm just kind of a basic cook, but I love to make a steak.

Yeah. I love to roast veggies. Yeah. We roast a lot of like broccoli. Yeah. I make this good cauliflower with like vinegar and raisins and like parsley and caper and kind of nut, like if you want like a pecan or something in there. And then a bunch of parsley and you chop it all up and you can pure, you can, what's it called?

Pulsed in the food processor. and then you put it on the roasted broccoli and it's so good. And they'll eat broccoli that way. My kids will eat, sorry, I put that on cauliflower. But honestly, it would be good on broccoli too. I've just never thought to do it. Yeah, it would be good on broccoli. Yeah.

And then, you know, they're kids. So, mac and cheese. Oh, mac and cheese. Yeah, noodles. Noodles. Rice. I make a lot of rice. I'm from Texas, so we eat more rice than noodles there.

Do you? Yeah. And my mom told me how to make this amazing rice. It's very simple. Yeah. But you put the rice in the pot with no oil so it gets toasted. Yeah. And then you add the water or the broth.

Sometimes I do chicken broth. Which rice do you use? Like basmadi. Yeah. Like a white long grain. And then I will chop an onion and grill an onion and get it like really soft. And some garlic. Yeah, add that.

And then at the end I like toss it with cilantro. and it's so good. Do you eat out a lot? Uh-huh. Where do you eat out when you eat out? Okay, we have this very cute neighborhood Mexican restaurant called Casa Vega. Yeah. And we eat it.

Oh, I love it. I've got the jumper. You do? And the girl from a nobody wants this was wearing it. And I was like, I've got that jumper. It's like the baseball top. Yes. I love Casabega.

Okay. It's wicked. So Casabaga's great, like, little neighborhood spot. Our kids love going. They're accepting of like the mayhem. And what would you order them? there. Oh gosh. Okay, so they have this thing called mocha hette. Oh my gosh. You need to explain. Okay. It's a bit like a, you know when you get fajitas? Yeah. And it's like you get like chicken or shrimp or

steak and chicken or whatever and then it comes with like the tortillas and rice and beans on the thing. A mocha hette is like a, it almost, you know like a brick, no, a mortar and pestle. Yeah. Okay, it looks like a bigger one of those. And there's beef, chicken, and chicken, and. It's, shrimp inside. Yeah. And then there's a pepper that's almost like a chili reeno, but like not fried. And it's stuffed with a cheese. Like a, um, wow. What's, I know, it's a big, it's a sharing meal. Yeah. And then it has like a special sauce. Yeah. Then that's what makes it the mocha hette. And like, usually in like a Mexican family, they'll have their own special recipe, like their special sauce. And so Casa Vegas happens to be really good. So your children don't mind spicy foods.

Some of them eat spicy food and some of them. don't. My four-year-old doesn't yet. My seven-year-old does, but I think she really enjoys the thrill of the spice, but doesn't really like eating it. And it's a fun restaurant. It's a fun restaurant, yeah. We go to sushi a lot. We go to this place called Kiwami. Do you know Kiwami? Do you have a T-shirt from there? No. No, should I? Okay. Kiwami. Me and you, we're getting a 530 res. Me and you, we're going to fight over one and deep under sushi. Done. Did you, what I'm interested, because you were a child star, how did that interfere with your education. I mean, did you have a... Zero education. You had zero education. But I know a lot

about a lot of things. But you're clever. Oh, thanks. Yeah, you put, you, you come across as really smart. You were homeschooled, right? Barely. Okay, got it. Yeah. Have you done any kind of orthodox education or tradition? My mom was like, can you just go get your GED? Do you guys have a GED here? What is that? It's like the most basic credential of an education. General and educational certificate. Can I just ask, do you like your salmon? cooked all the way through. You don't. Okay, good. Do you, do you, is that, would you like to do something?

I mean, you're doing things, you've taken a bit of a sabbatical, you've had your children, you're now back with doing your music. Do you think there's a time when you might do some further education because you feel you've missed out or you're quite happy? I'm happy and I feel like I educated myself on my own of like different things I was interested in. Like reading. I love to read. Yeah, you're a big reader.

I mean, I don't have as much time as I would like to read, but I really enjoy reading. Yeah. But I think I'm past the window of like caring that my education wasn't great. Yeah. Because I feel like I got strengths in other areas and that kind of like helps. And I'm not like shy to ask a question about something. Like I know that my life was different than most. And like I don't need to be embarrassed that.

I don't know when like a certain war took place. Like there's Google for that and chat GPT. And honestly, something that's been so cool is connecting to my kid and having him teach me stuff that I didn't know about because he is getting a really great education. Are you aspirational for him? Yeah. It'll be way more important for them to. So you would stick. Because I noticed you said about touring that you wanted to make sure that your kids can stay in school and that's important.

So your husband's gone straight back to make sure that. kids are okay. We are like a very routine-based family and I just notice my kids do so much better. Okay, I think it's like on the edge of being, it's not overcooked, but it's definitely, it's got a little, it's not as raw as I think you would have wanted and I'm sorry. This is stunning. I've never made a piece of fish that looks this beautiful. You're very sweet. It's a New York Times recipe. So it's Andy Barragani. Do you always like cook this colorful? I, I kind of do, but like I wanted to make sure that you, like, I felt like, I know what it's like the day after you're on a tour, your back, I just felt like you needed like good shit in you.

Yeah. Enjoy. My midwives told me to eat the rainbow, so I try to do that a lot. It's really delicious, Jess. It's a good recipe. It's got, um... Shut up. You're a very good cook.

You're very sweet. I followed a recipe. It's nice, though. Do you want some salt or anything? No, it's so great. Back to that conversation about my kids. Yeah. I desperately don't want my life to become, like, this big looming shadow over how they have to, like, live their life.

Okay. And it's, like, one of my biggest fears about, like, going on tour and being so much, like, more, like, forward-facing. Because they're the, like, stars of our household, you know? And I want to, like, try. my best to like preserve that. So if it all goes incredibly well, which I feel like it is going to, and can we talk about now that you have more dates? So this was your little, your little appetizer. This, Shepard Bush Empire, give me the stats on this. It sold out in like seconds and tickets were going for over a grand outside last night. Wait, really? I didn't know that. No, it's not your fault.

It's fantastic for you. So people were like selling them for over a grand last night. See, that makes me upset. Yeah, but it's kind of cool too. No, it's very cool. It's upsetting, but it's also, there's a demand for you. 100%. So what's going on later in the year?

So, like, Big Daddy Tour is going on sale. Is that what it's called? It's what I'm calling it. Okay, the Big Daddy Tour. I mean, yeah, they're the big rooms. Okay, so tell us where you're playing. The O2. Oh, Muzzle Tour.

Jesse, this is. such a good recipe. This is a really, it's good. It's nice. You didn't put grapefruit in, though. Yes, grape fruit. What? Great fruit zest and grapefruit juice in the meso marinate.

Oh my God, because it is so bright and like citrusy. So you're going to do an arena tour in the States as well? In the States, it's going to be mixed like amphitheaters and arenas. Amazing. And can we say when this tour is? The one in the States is going to be over the summer. Okay, nice. And then this one.

one will be in the UK will be in September. Do you think the kids will come along for that then, yeah? Yeah. And I'm desperate. My son's obsessed with soccer. Okay. So I'm desperate to sign up. Which team does he like? He's a man city guy. Oh, sorry, mate.

Oh, my God. It was a bad day for the blues at the weekend. Was it? Yeah. United beat them. We're the other team. Okay. Okay. What is that called? Man United. Okay. He's a man city kid. Why? Tell me why. Who's like an LA boy? Because I think Erling Harland.

Also, City have been fantastic for a very long time since he's probably got into it. Okay. So your son's a glory hunter, basically. And that's okay. We've all been there. So you've got to get into a game. I know.

Yeah. That's really exciting. And also I think I just have to get used to like having them travel a long way for good experiences and memories for our family and then get back into routine. Hillary, last supper, start a main, drink, dessert. Okay. Do they all have to go together?

No. Are you guys going to be disgusted if I pick things that don't go together? No. Okay. Well, I like so many foods, so this is really hard. But one of them is an in-and-out burger. Oh, I love it. Like, that's, how do you get better than an in-and-out burger?

Why is it so good? Have you ever asked for it mustard fried? Oh, no. They put mustard on the burger and then they fry it and it just like adds this depth. It's so... I don't know how they get onions so sweet. Do you think they add sugar? That's what I do when I grill onions.

I don't know because the onions taste. You could just eat a whole bowl of those onions because they're sweet and crunchy. I know. It's so good. Whenever I've gone, I went once this time. I was just in L.A. because my other daughter lives there. And I went once and I go to the one near Eagle Rock off. I queued for an hour and I thought, this is mad.

I'm queuing for bloody... Americans love food. Hamburg. And we were cute. It was a drive-through and you couldn't even get your car around. And I just sat there and then, you know, I just had a cheeseburger. This sounds incredible. How do you feel about their French fries?

I didn't have any French fries. Oh, they're delicious? No. They're a bit sad. They're a bit cardboardy. Yeah, like if I'm having my last meal, I want like McDonald's French fries, and then I want it in and out burger. Yeah.

And then I want like, my appetizer would be like caviar on a potato chip with crem fresh and like dirty martini. Mmm. And maybe a glass of red wine. And maybe a Diet Coke. Mmm. It's not classy. You gin or vodka?

And vodka. Hillary. With a bathroom tract, babe. Me and you. See, I like the moof. Do you not like too much of it? I just like an essence. Okay.

Yeah. And I want a blue cheese olive. Oh, every. The Casta Viltrano. I tell you where you need. Where's Casabiltrano? That's an olive. The like pretty colored olive.

Okay. It's like light green. I would like to put to you if you have time to go and have a dirty martini whilst you're in London at Rita's. It's in town. It's very good. Okay. So I sent you.

Can I tell you guys a confession? Yeah. You didn't want to come today. I was so excited to come today. She was really different. But I did get to eat one thing before I came today. What did you have? Because I was starving.

That's okay. And I couldn't wait. Do you usually not have breakfast? No, I do. Okay, that's fine. Well, this is lunch. Can I tell you what I had? What?

Salt beef. Oh, bagel. Oh my God. Where was that? From bagel bait? Oh, my God. To die for. Good.

I love salt beef. Salt. Oh, if I'd known, I would have asked you to get me a dozen. Damn. I'm so sorry. It's okay. Oh. What a tree.

Was it fabulous? Yeah. I love, but I think we call that corned beef in the States. Yeah, you do. Because I saw it and I was like, oh, it's corned beef. Yeah, it's corned beef in the States. Salt beef makes more sense. And pastrami is pastrami.

Because I went to Bell's bagels up in O'Illand Park. Okay. And we had... You're really in the Coolio part of town. You know that right. Yeah. I'm not really. But we had corn beef rather than salt beef.

And they do at the counter lactates because every, like, Jew is like lactose intolerance. They've got like lactates that you can buy at the counter because if you're going to have like a great cheese bagels. I think it's so sweet. Yeah. That's very sweet. My husband and my sweet little jew husband with a bad tummy. Yeah. Why? We have to go there.

I know. My husband's always have bad tummies. That's where my veneer came out. Oh, so it was $300 later an eagle rock. Expensive bagel. Shocker. That's a bad day. Hold'em, did we get the main?

Is the starter, is the main the in and out? She's mixing it up, Jessie. Yeah, I think the main is the in and out. Okay, we've got caviar. We've got lots of drinks. Desert. Sweet tooth or not? I think my dessert, I'm more of a salty girl,

but I'm not like a dummy, so of course I love sweets. Mm-hmm. I think it would be a bananas foster. What's that? What is it? Okay. I know what?

It's ice cream. And then they put sugar and brandy and light it on fire and put a half of banana in there. And it gets like a, almost like a creme broulet topping to the banana. And then they put the hot banana on the ice cream. Wow. And it's so good. Bananas foster. Oh, that sounds fab.

And I was going to do bonofy pie today. What's that? What? Oh, it's bonofi. Benofi. Benofi. Do you call it bonofi? Oh.

It's bananas in caramel. with cream on top. No, you do like a biscuit base, then you put like condensed milk that you put, you kind of reduced down which basically kind of like dulcied let you like caramel. And then you put bananas and whipped cream on top.

But I didn't do that. And you put instead. I really love cram brulee too. Okay, good. Oh, I made a creme brule. So we've got creme brulee. But also because mum was worried that they weren't good, I did some emergency backup cookies,

which I feel like your kids may enjoy. Great. It's not my recipe. Okay. But my darling nanny found it and she's fab. This is a selfless vegan she is. She was like, what about this one? I was like, wow.

That's a good name for a cookbook. The selfless vegan. Wait, that is very good. Yeah. Trade mark. Yeah. Let's, yeah. Does the selfless vegan mean that you will sacrifice?

You'll cook meat. Got it. Okay. I'm not getting in trouble with the vegans. Like, let's just, we'll make sure that that's good. We already talked about shooting quails. Okay. we already saw oh yeah fair enough

we shock wheels to me so so this cookie is not to like up stage your delicious I'm sure it'd be better it might not be this cookie and you can take it with you

have it later whatever it's you toast some sourdough and you put jelly you call it jelly what are you saying right now okay you're talking about a cookie yeah babe starts with toast and jelly

okay I make sourced that's really weird so do I My starter's on the counter. How's yours? Is it thriving? She looks for it. Well, you know what? She was sad.

You really keep that lid on tight. I mean, no judgment. You are. Actually, babe, it's on... Loueth? Someone's put it on tighter than I would like. Let me smell it. Why don't you give her a bit to take home?

No, come on. My starters. My start is not happy right now. Jessie, give her a bit, and then you'll be connected forever. No, that smells gorgeous. And she's happy. Hey, don't. She's not risen yet properly, and you've just upset it. Oh my God. Maybe I did it. I'm driven.

Oh my God. Jessica, your lids come off now. She'll have a hortic touch. She was still growing. The legs are they're really good to me. Yeah, well, let's see how she is tomorrow, shall we? So sorry. Jesus. Hope she's fratty. What's your, what's yours called? Willa. Why is she called Willa? Honestly, I got it from the

Valerina Farm girl. Shut up! I mean, I just bought her starter. She didn't like hand it to me. Holden, the trad wife lady? The trad wife lady. I'm obsessed with her. Okay, so I bought her starter

and I built it. Do you think it's really her starter? I have no idea, but don't crush me. I tell you who my favorite trad wife is. Who? We know. Who? Nora Smith.

Nora Smith, who makes the light. She's like, I whipped up some 30-com. I wonder she made. My kids were craving lucky char. So I got off an eight-hour flight and I made them. And I put a ball gown on. Yeah, she's always in like Couture cooking. I'm obsessed.

You are? Yeah. She said she started the voice because her kids were sleeping. I heard she was German. Let's just start making them a bunch of shit. No, babe, we're not. We're not. Anyway, I love my TikTok is going to be like algorithms.

It's going to be. Anyway, tradwurst. My friend Molly Bernards is one of my best friends. And she is on Younger. She's the Redhead. Oh, I love her. Okay, so her and I became super tight filming younger, and we have this, like, game. We only do it between the two of us.

I promise it's not like a, like a, just like a bad thing. But anytime we're like talking about something that we don't know about, but we're having a great time doing it. We're like, oh, just make it up, make it up. Let's just make it up, make it up. It's so funny. We go down really wild lanes and it's a fun game. I, um, I like the sound of this, Molly.

She is an angel. Were you best friends with Sutton Foster as well? We weren't, no, we weren't as close, but like close, but just different ages. Yeah, you're close on the program, but she's, yeah. No, she's amazing. She taught me how to crochet. Did she? Yeah, Sutton taught me how to crochet.

And she's awesome too. She's so great. Molly and I happened to have like a bond that was just like instant and we're the same age and kind of we were, I was like single when we started shooting that show and Sutton was married and Molly was single and we kind of like ended up. Yeah. Good. Okay, so this is Crembleau. Oh, there's a lovely tap on that then. Oh, yeah. It has curdled though. I'm, how do you have I'm supposed to say? Okay, fine. But the taste is lovely. What do you mean it's curdle? It's gone like Can you see?

Yeah. But it tastes great. It tastes great, but it's... I've never made frimberlain. I wonder, yeah, it should be creamier. It should kind of... Wait, there's a lot of lemon. Yeah, I like the lemon.

But then the lemon would curdle the cream. I don't know. This is from the best cookery writer's sift. She won the award, Nicola Lamb. Wait, it does taste so good. It tastes great. These are the cookies that you should take with you, or have a little bite there.

Toast with jam. jelly and then you with them up into breadcrums and you do it with white chocolate and miso

oh yeah nice your kids would go mad for them it's not custody enough it's not custod I don't know what it's delicious tasting though it tastes like a lemon

souffle I need a knife for the top back no no I have one before we let you go we've had so much fun you are fab

and the album is fab and now I'm really excited because I missed Lizzie McGuire the first time around, but now I'm going to like get to watch it with my daughter. How old? She's nine. So it's like perfect. Perfect.

And I was watching it and I was like, wow, it really, I feel like informed things like Diary of a Wimpy Kid and things like that. Like I think that came after. It must have. But like I really think it was quite. Right. Someone just asked me if I could say something to Lizzie McGuire before she became Lizzie McGuire, what would that be? And I was like, whoa, that's such an interesting, I've

never thought about that. I always think about what I would say to like my younger self or like what I would say to myself after playing Lizzie McGuire and what that felt like because it came with like a whole bag of things. Yeah. But I think I told them I was like, I think I would be like, hey, girl, I'm about to do you big time justice. Like, you know, like I'm going to play you on TV and you're going to, like, solve so many issues for young girls that, like, don't want to feel alone or, like, don't, like, feel a little embarrassed in their own skin or, you know, she was so relatable, like, she helped people through. But I also, you know, I heard that you said, you know, you were Lizzie and Lizzie was you.

It was kind of you were growing up with Lizzie. Yeah. And that must have been a crazy time. And I mean, it sounds like, you know, the album's called luck or something. And I know that that's kind of, and I don't want to paraphrif, well, tell everyone. why it's called luck or something. What do you tell me what you think? Well, I kind of got told this idea that people are like, am I right?

You're so lucky. No, no. How have you remained so grounded? Grounded, normal from being a Disney star, from having this, you know, huge success at a young age, continued success. You know, we've never really seen you fly off the rails, have we? No. And it's like, and you potentially were reprimed.

apply with that luck or something. I don't think it's luck. I think there's a lot of weight in that or something for me. Yes, okay. So, like, it is a little tongue and cheek, and I'm like, how does one answer that question? I don't, there's no formula that I followed to be like, I'm staying, you know, on this path and I'm not going to let you watch me fall apart.

Like, it was not like an on purpose thing or some, you know, created thing. I think part of it is, I think there's a whole bunch of different answers that could be the reason why. But the or something is like, you know, I made a lot of choices that were probably pretty good as well. Yeah. So it's like kind of owning,

trying to take some of that power for myself and be like. So there's nothing really you would have changed. Oh gosh, there's so much I would change. I think. You would have changed if you have the time again because your life's been, you've enjoyed your life. been successful and there's a lot of like family trauma okay there's a lot of like disintegration

of family which has been really challenging yeah so that would be the the thing that I would change the most but I've had a lovely life I'm so blessed I get to go home to my amazing family that I've created for myself you know and I would ship all of this off to like always make sure that I had that You know? Last question. Nostalgia taste that can transport you back somewhere. A taste? Yeah, or a smell.

My mom's chicken and dumpling soup. Mmm. It's just like my childhood with a bow around it. Yeah. That sounds lovely. Yeah, and an upside-down pineapple cake. Have you guys had upside-down pineapple? Oh, okay.

It's like made in a skillet and you put like the brown sugar and I don't know if it's like cream or something. And you put, it's very, it's very Texas. You put like the canned sliced pineapples with the cherry in it and then you pour the batter on top and then you bake it and it's so good. Gorgeous. Hillary, it's been such a pleasure having you. And I wish you all the best with the record. I don't think you're going to need it.

I really, it's a great pop record. It is so sweet that you gave it that much of a lesson. I really appreciate it. No, that's very kind of you. But I wanted to because I was really enjoying it and by, you know, the second chorus I'm singing along. And so I've got my windows down. I'll be there, singing it, and I'll be singing it with my kids.

And I'm really thrilled for you. Thank you. That you have your own autonomy and you know, you're so in control. And it's like your story. And I think it's just going to be an absolute smash. So congratulations. Thank you. Well done.

Thanks for coming. Oh, my gosh. This was the best. Great. I loved it. Good. I'm coming back. Yeah.

Good. Great. I love Hillary Duff. You too. She is fun. She's great fun. Sassy, opinionated. Nauty.

Nauty, raunchy. Definitely raunchy. Could have left my starter alone, but, you know, she knows that that's really, I'm going to show her the loaf and see if it... Actually, it's looking a bit odd over there. Like it's fizzed up at the top. Well, that's actually good.

Maybe she did good for it. I don't know. Anyway, you need to give it to shape. Big fan. Records so truthful. I'm a Hillary Duff Stan. Yeah. I'm going to be there watching Lizzie McGuire till I'm old like that.

And then Cinder A story and stuff. Yeah, no, she's great. Fab. Thank you, Hilary Duff. Thank you for being so open and fun and drinking three different drinks and eating and being so complimentary. I like you a lot.

And mum, thank you for bringing the crumbulles. The scrumbled egg crumbulles. Yeah, they are, but they do taste nice. The taste was delicious. But I think the lesson is don't do lemon. No, I think that I overcooked them at the beginning and they went like a bit of like a souffle. but they're not like a custard

but honestly I did my very best I don't know what I've done wrong but the taste is lovely of the lemon that would be nice on a topping yeah thank you Hilary thanks mum and thank you to everyone who's listening and watching and we'll see you next week