Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Jamie Laing and Sophie Habboo

Episode Date: April 1, 2026

We have podcasters, presenters and entrepreneurs, Jamie Laing & Sophie Habboo joining us for lunch this week! Hosts of the NearlyParents podcast & stars of Made In Chelsea, Jamie and Sophie have welcomed their son Ziggy into the Laing family and the cameras followed the full story in their documentary Raising Chelsea. We chatted to Jamie & Sophie about how they met, the literal sparks that flew, what it’s like being a sweet & chocolate entrepreneur, how Jamie became a marathon master, the Iraqi food Sophie grew up with, and we share all of our tales of birthing stories, including mums! Jamie & Sophie’s new series Raising Chelsea launches on Disney+ on the 2nd of April.Listen & watch Table Manners here - https://tablemanners.komi.io/Follow Table Manners on:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tablemannerspodcast/TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@tablemannerspodcastFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/tablemannerspodcastYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TableMannersPodcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jessie's new album, Superbloom, is available to pre-order now. There's a 10% discount if you go to her store, jessieware.com, and put in Tablemanners. James Norton's not included. Teas and C's apply. Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm in Mum's kitchen today. How are you, Mum? Well, had a morning of us.

An event for morning. Yeah. Vanier fell out last night at dinner. What were you eating, Lenny? A lamb chop. Your favourite. My favourite thing. And it was very tender, the most delicious lamb chops.

Did you go in with the front teeth? No, yeah, but it was a small bit. But I just thought I'd just get that last bit off the bone. And it came out. I looked like a pirate. Did you stay for dessert? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I talked like that with my face covered, and then my friend said, oh, it's all right. You know, mine came out last week. And so I then emailed my wonderful dentist, Dr. Guy. Is he so wonderful if it keeps on falling out? No, he didn't put it in this one. This was done in America. Anyway, I emailed him at 9 o'clock and said, I'm in big trouble. I've got a podcast tomorrow.

Can I come in for a thing? He emailed back within five minutes. We love that. David Guy, thank you. I adore you. Everyone at the table said, what sort of relationship do you have with your dentist? You've always had close relationships with your dentist.

Because I'm there every other week. I see them more than I ever saw my husband. And, yeah, and I financially indebted to them or they're indebted to me. Anyway, the two. Yeah, it's back in. And you'd prepped all the food. You are a superwoman, Lenny. I did.

So you've made this breakfast. This smile doesn't come for nothing, you know. I want to know what you've made. I've made a chala and chive bread and butter pudding. Which I hope will be nice. I made it yesterday. So like eggy bread? Yeah, I made it yesterday and it's been in the fridge with a weight on it.

It still looks quite liquid, but I'm hoping. It's going to go in the oven. Yeah. Did it have cheese in it? It's got some feta at the bottom and some parmesan and some parmesan on top. So, yum. Yeah, I hope so. And then with what?

Just with a salad. And some roasted tomatoes with yogurt. Great. And then I made some... What's the Otolengi roasted tomato. Yeah. I made some biscuits for dessert. You made them yesterday as well. Yeah.

And by the way, we did record a podcast yesterday as well. You are... Yeah, I think I am. You are overachieving. Yeah. And what are the biscuits? Banana, pecan and chocolate. Yum.

Yeah. So like a mini banana bread? No, they're biscuits. They're not bread. Okay. Because you told me not to make banana bread because I was doing bread pudding. I think that was a valid point. So you've made this all for our guests.

Our two guests. Yes. Husband and wife. Yep. We have Jamie Lang and Sophie Habu coming on today who are coming over to talk about their new Disney Plus TV show called Raising Chelsea. You will know them from Made in Chelsea where they met. they have their own podcast, which was called Nearly Weds, then they got married, then it was called Newly Weds, then they got pregnant and it's called Nearly Parents. So I don't know, is it called Newly Parents now? I don't know. But they are a duo that do red carpet together, interviews on the red carpet. They are very, very funny on a power couple. Building that empire, as they say in the program. I've watched three episodes. They're so easy to watch. watch they're completely charming their house is fab and it takes you through them trying for a baby

getting pregnant and then having the baby i mean jami is on his phone in the lindo wing being like sophie is uh this dilated and you know she's mind well i she's the right there i mean she looks fab all the time by the way um even when she's like in the middle of the night and they're filming them and she's like so delirously happy and tired of She still looks like she's had 12 hours late. Yeah, so we're excited to have them. And we were at Wimbledon with them in the summer, sat next to them. Yeah. Jamie, I've always had so much time for Jamie.

He's always just been like the same fun, lovely person. It's very sweet. Lovely, lovely person. And Sophie is glorious. And I saw them at BAFTA recently where they interviewed me and they were on great form. And that even features in like the third episode of the show. Are they into you before you sang or after you sang? Before it was like red carpet stuff.

And did they not come up afterwards and tell you you were fantastic? Well, I didn't see them because I think Sophie was desperate to get back to Baby Ziggy. See, I wonder why you didn't get the call for the Oscars. Oh, please, mum, stop. Because Barbara Triesen lives in Los Angeles and it's her song. Maybe. Maybe that's the thing. Maybe that could be the reason.

I think Barbara's pushing for a bit of attention now. I think Babs is deserving of singing her own song. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Anyway, Sophie Habu and Jamie Lang coming up on Table Manners. Jamie and Sophie, welcome to Table Manners. Ooh, congratulations. Thank you.

You're back. This is your first podcast back. This is my first anything back. Well, hang on, babe. I saw you on the red carpet looking very glamorous, doing the do. Lying already. You, this is my first podcast back. Okay, well, thank you.

We're honoured. How are you? How was last night's sleep? Last night's sleep was I will say Jamie's very good He's actually really good at the nights And I'm good at the days

But then he also goes to work in the days Crocky So when do you catch up I don't I don't This is why we're eating treats I don't catch up And I do some night

And I'm going No no no I feed him in the night But then you know the rocking afterwards Then I pass to Jamie That is normal Thank you I'm not quite sure that's always fair. Because, can I just say...

Co-parenting. Co-parenting. And can I just say, you know the whole, the mom should do it because the man or whatever stereotypically goes back to work. But working in the day is looking after the baby. It's so tiring. And I feel like I need more energy than you.

Okay, well, this is what Sophie. Sophie has this idea that because I don't really need that much sleep, I have to do the sort of rocking and the burping. That is quite time-consuming. That's the bit. That's longer than the actual feeding. It's so, it's. So long.

And then when you're... She's got to wait for that fart or that burp. When you wait for... And also when our baby Ziggy is like... He does this thing where he's about to fall asleep me. You're literally going, oh my God. And then he'll wake him safe up again. You're just like, what are you?

Yeah. It's 3 a.m. I know. Go to sleep. It's exhausting. I know. Can I just say this guy. I now salute all mums because...

Thank you, Jamie. Just going to put it out there. Being a mum is wild. From the pregnancy, that's long. And then... giving birth, the giving birth bit is. Yeah. Yeah.

It's my glow. That's a lot. It's more, it's, it's so much. Did you do just gas and air? Or I had everything. I had everything. But I actually wanted to do, looking back on it, I was crazy. I wanted to do a water bath with nothing.

And I actually got told by my doctor, I don't think you're quite the right candidate. Because I, he was like, I was like, why? He was like, you've been in to check his movement every other week. I think you're a bit of an anxious person. don't think water bath is right for you for the first one. I, yeah. Two water baths.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh my God, so jealous. No, but like my really good family friend on the first one, on my first birth, she was like, treat yourself to an epidural next time. Come on. And I was like, you're right. Why do we try and be these heroes when we're already fucking birthing? I was in competition with my mother and Lord.

That's why I did it. You see that. Yeah, she had two water verbs. I would say be living. And I was like, right, well, anything you can do. I can do better. So I don't know if I did it better. It's not a competition.

It is. It is. It is. Then your dealer did a little chakra on you, didn't she? What are you talking about? She was throwing rose petals at one point. Yeah. Stop.

Oh my goodness. You're so earthy and amazing. No, I'm not actually. That's really incredible. No, no. Babe, babe, the first one was wild. The first one is crazy. I did not do any of that in my first one.

Tell them about when you went into hospital with your sunglasses on and your earphones. I looked. mental. I need to know. I was like basically, I'd done all the hypnobirthing and we'd gone in. I was like, babe, I am fucking smacking this. Like, we've watched Soopopoeia as are like endorphins. Like, I was like, oh my God, look at us. Oh my God. Wow. Like, this is really working. Sam was like, I don't think you're as dilated as you think. I was like, I'm just nailing this. Okay. I go in to UCH because I thought I'd get preferential treatment because my brother was a student doctor there. Yeah.

I like your thinking. Yeah. Schlep from Hackney. And then get there and they're like, yeah, you're two centimetre dilated. Like you're not dilated. They fucking sweeped me. And then it was like, and then go home. And then I went mad. And then I went mad.

Jesse wasn't talking to me because I teased her about being late. I said, oh, aren't the chakras working for you, darling? She wouldn't let me in the house. So we weren't speaking. We weren't speaking. You weren't speaking. You know what it's like at the end? you're just like a bit of a crazy.

Bad turn, yeah. Oh yeah. But also, when the waters break... Yes, that... Well, this is in the show. You kind of... Your lovely sister gets the text message as she's doing her, like,

chat to camera, being like, oh my God, her water's just broken. You're on the great chat. Yeah, that was a... How was that? Did they hook you? He hooked me. How was it?

Ooh, not comfortable, for sure. But my God, the amount of water So I was, I, everyone kept saying to me, you must be having twins, you know that one. Like, you're so big. And I think I just had so, I literally had to see you in me. But I remember you at Wimbledon and you did look, I don't want to be rude. You get sure. Gorgeous.

But you did look big then. You didn't. And I suggested. How did she have the baby in December when she was already showing quite a lot in June? Eight weeks. I was like, boof. I'm not joking. But also, can I just say when the, when the water, I was.

quite, I was like, I want to experience everything, right? Yeah. I was like, I want to be every, I want to say it all. So I went level just to see what the water was like. And it was like going down like the log shoot at Thor Park. I was quite like, can you move and come and stand by my head and not keep poking your head. Yeah, you want to, you didn't want him down the business zone. No.

He was like, it was like no, it was so much water. And I was like, that's wild. And then, and then I also, I just kept looking the whole time because I wanted to see what was going on. and it's faster. God, you'll be on cool midwife next. I would love to. And then there was one point where I looked down. I was the one who said,

look, it doesn't quite look right. I kept saying I'm ready to push. I'm ready to push. I'm ready to push. Everyone's like, no, no, no. There's no way you were two centimetres half an hour ago or an hour ago. I was like, something needs to come out. And Jamie poked his little head down.

He was like, I'm telling you something. Yeah, honestly, was... The head was there. It wasn't the head. It just, it looked, it looked more open than normal. And I went, that just looks like something's happening. It didn't look. No, what you said is, it looks like, yes, I was dilated, but he was like, it looks like a hoof. A horse's hoof. As I'm lying there, like, what? It looked like a tranchler, like, ready to. A trancher? Jenny, has this changed your perspective on women's bodies? No, I, honestly, now, I like, I, I, you're back in the, fancying mode.

I'm, like, I, I don't think that ever left. No, I'm sure. No, I never loved. But it could destroy your faith in it, couldn't it? It could destroy your faith a little bit, but it didn't. It made me just, it made me just like look at my mom and women, and I was just like, this is, there's no ways a guy could do that. There's no way I could lie there and give birth and not complain. He's a proper feminist.

Yeah, honestly, it was, the whole thing was wild. But there's no way when you think about it that babies come out of your body when you think the little small opening just becomes vast. Can I ask, because, I mean, we're going to talk about raising Chelsea. Third episode. Yes. Shows the birth. I mean, shows the whole thing. Janie's there with his phone being like, okay, so this is, you're in the, like,

in the corridor of like the Lindo. Like, you've documented that. And I kind of presumed it was a C-section because you have the screen up. Did it end up in a C-section? It ended up in a C-section. Oh, so you went on the bloody stuff. I laboured the whole way to nine centimetres and then. That's what a cheat.

That's really tough. I mean, I mean, I mean, The baby's out and healthy and it's amazing. So the baby had, he had his hand was coming out the cervix. So when I said I'm so dilated, I need to push that he looked and he was like, and he actually laughed. He was like, God, what are the chances? You are ready to push, but the hands poking out the cervix.

I was like, oh my God. So it's really difficult to get him out. So then you have to go into like theatre. So how did they have to push the hand back in? Yeah. Oh my. The whole thing. Do you know what, guys, it was actually this whole wild thing.

You really went through it all then. It was, it was kind of mad, right? And so we were obviously shooting our show, raising Chelsea, right? And there was this whole discussion, do we want to film the birth? Do we not want to film the birth? And it's, a lot of people will be, like, why do you even want to film this part of your life, let alone film that, right? And so we're going through this whole thing.

And then the decision was to not let the cameras in. We're like, we're not going to let the cameras in, so we don't want to do that to the actual birth, because it's quite, it's very intimate and private and etc. So we're like, fine, whatever, that's cool. And then we were, so we were expecting to have this like birth, this normal birth, natural birth, and it'd be totally fine and magical and all these different things. And then suddenly this thing happened where it was emergency C-section. And when that happens, you panic.

And I was in this complete panic zone. Sof was saying so calm. And it was like, you were so calm. It was insane. You were so calm. I was like suddenly in Scrubs. The whole thing was just wild. And we got taking to theatre.

And by the time they said, you need to emergency C-section now, to the point where we're getting ready to go. It's like five minutes. It's like it's instant. And we're in there. And why it's so kind of magical this thing on our show is that we didn't are the midwife. Oh, that was the midwife. No, it was the ennecathist who was.

She just picked up the phone and started recording. She was the most incredible lady ever. Because she said, she was like, you'll want this in the future. So when they filmed it and what did you see in the series is like, we didn't even know the camera's there. We weren't even thinking. That is like pure. And for us it's so magical because it's like that is actually

it doesn't matter whatever situation and if you know there's a camera on you you probably would act a little bit different because there's a camera we didn't even know there was something filming so that is raw exactly what was going on in this situation which is kind of wild to see. And you know bless like Sophie's just being like

will I be able to like touch him you're just in that survival mode I need to get to my baby and then you're worrying about Sophie and kissing it was very beautiful it was very very touching Oh my I was trying to stay really brave You were being amazing.

No, no, I really wasn't. You should see, I really wasn't great. I was like, oh, my God. Because you can cry, can't you, Jamie? Yes, but I wasn't cry. I was like trying and I was like, oh my God. And one of the doctors or someone came in, one of the midwives someone came in, and she said, you're right.

And I went, oh, no, and she went, oh, it's your first. And I went, why is that? So then that made me. You won't cry next time. You won't cry next time. You just dragged out by the foot. It'll be fine. Yeah, it'll be absolutely fine.

But it was a wild, intense, magical moment. But you were such a great, you were just telling Sophie how amazing she is and how Brett. It was very beautiful and it just showed how like solid you two are. She shushed me. She shushed me. Because you know when you're in, I don't, when you're in that stage, I was just so like, the doctor said you're going to get tugging. I was like, I need to focus on my baby. He was so loud in my ear.

I was like, you've got this, you've got this. And I was like, I just want to hear my baby's cry. Is that what it was? Is that what it was? I didn't, I didn't hear that in the thing. I thought you were like sniffing or something. No, no, no. I'd go, shh.

And I went, honey, you're my hero. And she went, shh. And I was like, what? I would have done that. Mom, tell them what you said to your first person. Well, when I, my baby got, my first one got stuck. I'd gone in for a, what was a Le Boisier birth. What's the Leboisie?

It was the great French gynaecologist. So you had soft light, music. Oh, so you're taking a bit out of you. That's what I wanted. Jesse, I wanted everything by the table. time. But what I hadn't realized, I was in labour flight a day. Okay. Nearly two days because Hannah was stuck.

She didn't, she was coming out face, you know, not her foot. Yeah. So she was stuck and they kept saying, it's a really enormous boy. Anyway, I had this medical student and he kept on saying, breathe like this. And he had terrible breath. And he was breathing. And I said, look, please could you go away? Your breath is horrendous.

I cannot cope. You can kind of say what everyone. Your dad said, don't be so rude. I said, oh, fuck off all of you. Just fuck off out of this room. I love. Because it was so awful. Anyway, Hannah came out with Keelan foreseps.

They're the very big ones. And it was like pulling out a calf. It was like with their foot on the bottom of the bed to pull her out. No way. That is terrible. And she came out great. And I thought, fuck, I've gone through this and she's dead. Honestly, I didn't feel sentimental at all.

I thought, God, is she's dead? That's inconvenient. You and my mum were quite similar in sort of ways of just like being, the way that you're, you communicate stories. Fran. Yeah, Frank, it's really good. And my mum said when, I think it was my brother who came out, and my brother was put onto it and they were like,

here's your child. And she was like, oh my God, you're covered in gunk. Because someone wipe his horse hairs. Because she was like, what that. It's astonishing all the gunk that's cut up. Bar. And then I don't wash it off, just rub it in. Oh, yeah.

Now, look, we've got to talk about food a bit, but we're going to keep on talking about raising Chelsea and all your other entrepreneurial, you know, endeavours. These are very good, Jamie. Thank you very much. You know, thank you. I appreciate that. Delicious treats.

That's what they call their vegan chocolate. It's spelled wrong, Jamie. Yeah, well, it's spelled. I don't know why it's spelled that way. Why have you done that? Yeah, well, I don't know, because they were... It must be a play on sweet, surely. No, it's just different.

Oh, yeah. That must be it. No, no. need to know the answer. No, that is what it must be. Thank you. It's not a play on. No, it's not, they were...

Let's go with that, Jamie. Okay, we'll go on that. But it was, because there used to be a brand back in like the 60s or 70s, and then they didn't sell them anymore, so we took on the name and we sell it. And they were like a German brand. Yeah, treats. There you go. Okay.

And there you go. And so what, like with the chocolate mixture? Yeah. Is this your first fray into chocolate? Yeah, but it's vegan chocolate. Don't worry about it. Because Kandy Kitchens is vegan. Yeah.

I feel like I'm better at talking about your partner as you are. No, Sophie says that she doesn't like Candykin sweets. No, no, no. I like them. I like that you to mess. And I don't like the sugar. No, the only one I don't like, I'm just going to say it is the watermelon.

And everyone seems to just be obsessed with the watermelon. And it's just not my favorite. Fair enough. Fair enough. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. So you've had lots of people here and you always record here. Yeah.

So you had Margot Robbie here. Yeah, he's talked about this twice. I think maybe this. this recently. Yeah. Yeah. She was watering heights. I know.

How does she? She looks amazing. She looks amazing. She looks amazing. But what I want to know is if someone wants to go for a poo. You want to go and sit on the Lou of that. Do you need a poo? I don't need a poo.

But I went to take a pee. But I was thinking if Margot Robbie needed to go for a poo. She didn't go for a push. I know, but it's quite interesting to know that Margot, Robbie would have gone for a poo in your childhood health. That's so weird that that's what you're thinking about. I was thinking that in my head. Like, I would defecate.

Like, I mean. Like, defecating. It sounds a bit more intense. It feels a bit seething and grow. But also like, if she needs a poo, she'd go and do a poo. Has any of your guests ever done that? I don't know, babe.

I haven't gone and sniffed. You're probably the only guest that would come out and be like, thanks so much I just went into the chin. That's the question you're fucking asking us. Yeah, because in my head I'm thinking, because it's quite an intimate space your home and then people are coming in and then if they need to go to the bathroom, well, how do you feel when people do poo's in your house?

I do think people do many poos in our house. Do you need a poo? Is this what you're asking? I don't need a poo, but you know when you, I don't know if you, when you go to do a wee, and then you sometimes in your head you think, do I need a poo? Do I need a poo? Okay, let's talk about food, shall we? This smells delicious.

Right, okay, so mum is making a hala, bread, eggy bread pudding. Yum. With chives and feta, I hope you're not, you do have soy. So now I'm slightly nervous. No, no, no, no, I eat anything. Okay, fine. With roasted tomatoes with cold yogurt. and salad.

This looks deli. But let's start at the beginning. Both of you can you paint a picture of who was around the dinner table and a memorable dish from your childhood? Can't wait. You go past. No, you go first. Because you're going to think of some like, you're going to think of some glamorous, like,

oh, you've had like, sovi thinks my palate is shocking. Because just coming, I went to boarding school at the age of eight, right? I know. Sent off. Sent off at eight years old. See you. Get out. They were like, they were like, get out of here.

Did you have any siblings with you in the school? I had my older brother, but I went at eight years old. Can I give you a bit. This looks so lovely. You can't lose that. I can't wait. I'm starving. Good.

Yeah, that's perfect. Thank you. And if you'd like some tomatoes. I would love some. So, as I was saying, so, I went to boarding school. So at boarding school, you just get given food, right? And so it's like fuel. So Sophie thinks my palate's really bad.

And then I realized that my palate was bad. Was once, Sophie was going through like a pest. Eskaterian stage and we were away on holiday and we got some sushi. Right. And I ate, what did I eat? I ate some of the food. So Jamie ate, the sushi looked a bit funky. Okay.

And Jamie ate it and he was like, I was like, what is, what is that on that sushi? You sure it's not me? And he was like, no, no, no, it's tuna and melon. I was like, tuna and melon sushi. Bizarre. It took a piece and it was foie gras and apple. It was like, Pesclare in here. That's where his, he also puts tomato ketchup, was.

smoked salmon. Oh. As a snack. No, no, no. No, I do not. Butter, cracker, smoked salmon, ketchup. Have you tried it? I would not try that, no.

You know, I will say I have sardines with ketchup. That's different and that's yummy. That's delicious. There you go. I don't know about this smoked salmon. Not raw fish and ketchup. Anyway, so if you go first, because you're going to paint a delightful picture of...

So I'm going to talk about my... Yeah. Who was around the dinner table? What were you eating? Who's around the dinner table and what were we eating? We were eating. Okay, so my Popper is Arabic and he used to make this incredible sort of...

Okay, I just need to try a little bit of this before. Your Popper is your grandfather, right? Yeah, oh my God. That is so delicious. Yummy, Mom. Yeah. That's very you. This is very, very me.

So Popper... Okay, so we would have... He would make this sort of rice dish with like minced lamb. on top and it had like almonds in it and raisins in it. What's your heritage? He's Iraqi, so I'm quarter. And it was obviously a dish from that.

I cannot remember what the name of the dish is. It was like rice with raisins in it and flaked almonds. And then it had like a, like almost like crispy lamb mince on top. Yum. Yeah. It was really delicious. My family was him, my grandfather, my dad, my mom, my sister and me. It was delicious.

Is that all? That's who was around the table? Sorry, yeah. Should I come home with something to be more excited? No. Did your mum cook or your dad cook? My mum's a really good cook. My dad was a little bit more of a tuna pasta bake guy. Okay.

Which I didn't love. He used to put a lot of antifes in it. And as a young kid, I was like, whoa, it's about salty. And where did you grow up? I grew up in Warwickshire in the Midlands. But Zovey was, so when Sylvie and I first started dating, and I was quite used to sort of like English dishes, right? Sophie grew up and like, when she went to school in the morning,

her mum would make like pitter and like put like melted butter in it and like... You know what I mean, but it was more... You were like eating falafels and you were having like smoothies. Yeah. I was not having that. We definitely always got given like what my parents would eat. We never ever had kids food.

So I definitely have lots of Arabic food. Jamie, you were at boarding school So, you know, when you came home Was there like a dish that you loved? I know you love Shepherds pie Oh my God I don't get that How do you not get that?

It's so bland I need so much Brantson pickle with that You guys don't have a good talent Honestly, you guys don't know what good food is You don't understand good Your idea of good food is Yeah? Cadurine

Delicious Not the greatest A shepherd's pie Or a cottage pie Yes, you love Shepard's harm. Oh, and also just like mince on its own with a bit of like mashed potato. Clearly Nanny made that. Yeah, Nanny did.

Nanny was making that. It was delicious. So we had, we were in the countryside and we lived in a place. Whereabouts? Place called Carceletan, which was near Sireencester. Is that like Cotswolds area? Cotswolds area. And we had this really lovely country house.

And in the house was my two older sisters who were my half-sisters, my dad's first marriage. Tash and Gems. so we had that and Tash is probably 10 years older than me and so she was quite cool Tash was like my idol when I was younger and then we'd have from my then my dad remarried my mum and had my brother Alexander who's two years older than me

and then had me and then my little sister God you've got lots of a big blended family and then my dad remarried again this is later in life and then had another boy so there's lots of us How many times to be married? Three.

Lucky number three How many times are your mum been married. Twice. So my mum, and if you get my, my mum, has been divorced now for, what is it, 30 years, 29 years, still talks. She'll still, you'll have a conversation, you'll be like, oh, mum, the weather's good outside, and she'd be like, yes, I remember a time in a summer when I was married to your dad. Oh, I mean, like, you're kidding me, because of that. But anyway, so we're in the house, in South Farm, and we would always have dinner together, which is quite a sort of on the weekends, and dinner would either be something like,

it would either be a kejuri. It is. It's delicious. It is. It's so good. It's a bit samey, isn't it? Or we'd have a chefas pie. Or we'd have a bollanese.

Is shepherd's pie the one with lamb or beef? Lamb. I wouldn't better tell the difference. No, one's shepherds and one's cottage. Cottage is beef. Sheppard's lamb. Yeah. And when we do that,

and it would be delicious. Or we would then, or if it wasn't that I was younger, ours was quite... What else did you eat? Like, really tell me. Okay, some fries, sometimes potato waffles. Oh my God. What on spaghetti he?

And some baked beans. This is really good recipe. This is really good. Can I get you some of all? No, thanks. Is it all to langue? Yeah. Yeah, he likes it.

But he likes cholera. That's the sweet Jewish bread. Talk about you to, um, getting together. Obviously you kind of got together on a TV show. How was that for you both? Go on. Because did we get together on the TV? Did you?

I mean, it kind of played out. Yes, we did. How was it? So we were really good friends. Actually, I'll go back. So when we first met, we weren't good friends. And I actually thought he was a bit of an idiot. I didn't love you.

And then we went... You didn't know me? Well, I didn't like you then if I'm being completely nervous. I thought you were a bit arrogant. Do you think I was sexy? Have you never discussed this? No, never. No, he asked on a daily basis.

So, do you think I'm goodly? So then we went abroad on like an away trip and we became really, really good friends. Was this part of the show? Part of the show. Do you think they knew what they were doing there? Not on this trip, no. Okay.

I don't think they did on second. I don't think anyone thought something was going to happen. But this trip we went and we went to Creature for filming this show. Have you ever watched Made in Chelsea? I used to watch it a lot. I have to say, I didn't watch it when Sophie was in it, not because I was just, I started it right at the beginning. I'm so sorry.

I was like the Millie, the gigi. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that era. I was like, obsessed with Made in Chelsea. Yeah. Why? Because it was so great. Okay, sorry. Sorry, it's a BAFTA winning series.

Also, I mean, you know, there's been a lot of criticism with it too, but it was, you know. It was, okay, so it was a TV show about being posh. You did great out. of it by the way. I did okay out of it. I think so but it was a TV show about being posh and the reason why I did it is because I just thought it would be quite fun to do and I was 22 yeah right you just didn't really know what we get at first you already become an entrepreneur by then I wanted to set up a sweet company I want to set up a sweet shop so that's what I wanted to do and then I thought it would

be an interesting way to like promote the sweets on it but then I and so my first ever seen that I pretty much did is I got a tattoo of my logo candy kittins on my hip but then over the years it's totally changed. So now I just have a tattoo of a cat on my hip, which is nothing to do. The logo is totally changed. So we did that, but then you and I met on the show, and we were really good friends, and then we went away to Croatia filming together. And I don't know what happened, but I started like being, like, really awkward around her. Like, we would be...

She fancied, because she's gorgeous. Yeah, and I was like, oh my God, this girl. And I started being awkward, and you weren't awkward, but I thought it was you making... I was like, God, he's quite mew. I was like, this guy's... Because there were a couple days where Eberman was... golf and film and we didn't, we weren't filming. So we were just left at this filler together. I was like, he doesn't speak. He's like silent.

And I was at she like, do you like the colour, colourful? I was like, you didn't go through the stage with your friend like, is he hot or is it me? Because you started to fancy him. No, because we were all, I would never have said that because we were always such good friend. It would have been quite jarring for everybody. Were you going out with somebody at that time and were you going out of somebody?

Were you going out with Sam? Yes. And you were going out with someone else. I was going out of someone. And then we both sort of broke up. the same time and then went on another trip together and we went on this other trip together and we were such good friends

and that was delicious that was so delicious that was really yummy that was really yummy we were such good friends and then we went to South Africa together and we were filming in South Africa and Sophie

walked out in a bikini and I was like oh my God she's hot what has you been wearing a burker before that I don't know what the fuck like I, Zan really noticed it. I didn't really clock that she was like this, just super hot. Like smoking, babe, yeah. Smoking hot.

I was like, my God, she's like super hot. And I don't know if you ever, do you ever have this, like, maybe with your husband or someone that you've dated or whatever it is, you suddenly, it's like a light switch. You go, oh my God, I fancy them. Like, it's a weird, like, sudden moment you go like, oh, wait, hang on a second. I kind of fancy them, obviously.

This is, because you didn't really understand the emotions. I suddenly clicked into fancying her. And then when I realized that... Clicked into fancying her, I'm not sure it's... I then went turbo. I was like... Because Jamie Lang gets what he wants. Oh, I get one I want.

But there were like things... You'd like yourself to whatever you fancy. And so because I was obviously also a bit awkward around it because I fancies him, but I'd get really drunk. And there was like this one night, I would share a bed with you every night. He would creep into my bed, so drunk. But when I mean so drunk, I mean so drunk. There was one time he like sat on me and then far.

because he was so drunk. Yeah, yeah, it was bad. It's more and more like, Prince Anthony. I was like, wow, I really fancy him too. Then there's another time. Oh, you fancied him then? No, we, I loved him.

Like, we were really good friends. You're missing the set that we were already really, really close at this point. And everyone kept saying to me, like, something's going on between you two. And I was very much like, no, no, no, it isn't. Because in my head, there's nothing's going to happen between me and him.

Like, you didn't have the best past. And I thought, oh my God, and then if that happens, we won't be friends. So I was very much not in that zone. But he used to climb into my bed every night. And you know when boys like, they try and like creep up on you and you're like, play dead. Play dead, play dead.

Oh my God. So funny. No, that is not how you think of it. Hey, no, I didn't. I think this is not. Cut this out. Keep it all in because it's not. Clay dead.

Not with everything. Will you give your wife some more? What I mean is that he would just like... I was not creeping up on you. Okay, bro. No, what I would do is I would spoon you at night And I was like, no, we were friends So I wasn't trying, there was no funny business

There was no funny business, I promise you this But one night I was... The body doesn't lie. Did you have a bono whilst you spooed her? No, I did not have a bono, did I? I was like, just lie still. But there was this one night, what happened where... This was real sexy.

One night where he was spooning me and I was like pretend you're asleep And then I heard him like thrush the duvet off him I was like, what's he doing? And he walked over to the bus. bars, he took the flowers out and drank the whole vase water. Oh God. And you're still drunk?

And you're married to this man. I know, I ask this has a question all the time. And then what happened was is that we then basically, I, we started to, I think you then started to fancy me a little bit. But after drinking. Yeah, if you know that. I was like, that far's water. That is the honest thing ever.

I've got to make a mind. And then we got on a flight back to the UK. And on the flight on the way back is where we got really drunk. I was drinking Jack Daniels. I think I had like a whole bottle of red wine to myself. And we just snogged on the flight. Oh wow. Yeah.

Poor lady next to us, I think about it often. Were you not in business? No, no, we weren't. We were on the four, the middle row where there's like five scenes. No, stop, I'm on. Well, you aren't each on an aisle as well. No, we're right in the middle. You know, there's two people like either side.

We were right on the middle. Oh my God, I can't. And then we came back, and then we were quite inseparable. So you never played it cool at all. No, no, he was straight in. I'm going to tell you this story though, because I told this before, but I'll tell you. So my grandmother said to me, she was amazing. She was very much like my mom.

She called Ruth Hill. She was quite a fierce lady, but kind of very interesting. Anyway, when she met my grandfather, she used to date his housemate. And every single time she'd come into the flat and see my grandfather sitting behind a newspaper and he would do the crossword and she loved his hands. She loved. Anyway, one night, my grandfather's flatmate said, can you take Ruth home? And he said, yes, of course.

So he took her home, got on the car, and they drove home, and they had an amazing conversation. And when they got to my grandmother's house, he got out the car, opened her door and said, Ruth, you're home now. And she said, I don't want to get out. You're home now. He said, I don't want to get out. I'm having too good a conversation. And he said, if you get out, I'll marry you.

And he put out his hand, they touched hands, and she felt an electric shock. And she said, you'll regret that in the morning. The next morning he phoned up, said, I don't regret it. And they got married for something like 60-odd years. My grandma said, if you ever have an electric shock, remember it. So when Sophie and I first ever were intimate when we had sex, I felt an electric shock. So I was like... Where?

My whole body to the point where I said to Sophie, did you feel that? Imagine. I was like, what? And so I was like, this is it. That's it. He said to me the first time he was ex, did you just have an electric shock? I was like, no, should I have? Hold on, but like, had you never had an electric shot? Never. It was honestly like an electric shot.

It was like this. But like you've had electric shot, I've died. It's called love, isn't it? It's called love. But it was, I'd never felt like that before. And it was kind of like this, oh my God, moment. And then I remember my mum phoning me up and saying, so who, what's going on with your love?

Like, who are you dating? And I said, I've met this person called Sophie. And she went, oh, here we go again. I went, no, it's different. This time it's different. And then we got married. So it was different. It was kind of like an amazing thing.

Have you got the engagement ring? Is there a story to the engagement ring? No. It's not a family heirloom right? No. It's not from Ruth Hill. It's not from Ruth Hill. The engagement rings from me boarding lots of photos.

And him and him and Sammy. And then she found the ring. Like this is the most... Oh yeah, I did. Well, no, a year before he proposed me, I was going to get a charger out of this cupboard. And in this thing, it said, for her sister. I'm like, whose sister?

What's this? It's an envelope. In this envelope are about 10 fake plastic rings with, like, diamonds on them. So there I am trying him all on. This is December. A year later, he proposes to me. For a whole year, I was like,

Did you keep it stum? Like, you didn't say that you knew. I didn't tell him. But I told my sister, because I also didn't like it. They weren't the right. You never told me that. You know what you want?

You didn't like any of the rings. You told your sister, and your sister, that's, what so that's how you manipulate you yeah so she tells her sister and the sister says I don't think that's any of those would see are you James that way out of it exactly but you made me wait a whole year so every time like we went on holiday or every time we went for nice enough coming and so then I would get really cross and really upset and if I had a drink I'd and were you having your nails done week or twice a week I was in that zone for a year or so you did that I had that too and like you've been going out about 20 years oh my god I was

I'd get on with it, right? And then we were on holiday in Thailand, and it was Christmas, I think it was Christmas Day or something, and he gave me this tiny box. I was like, let's go. It's the smallest speaker.

Travel speaker. He thought we should have some tunes. I was like, no, are you fucking shooting me? Fuck sake, man. It was a tiny speaker in a box. It was a box. a tiny chapel speaker. It's what...

Jesse, you poor Sam when he did, I mean... My mum did say you need to let him feel like he's in control and you need to stop telling him to propose. Oh, you were at that stage. Yeah, because it's not fair. But she, so she had her nails done constantly. They always look perfect for the ring moment.

But Sam, we... He's kind of a very relaxed person. And I remember... Horizontal. We were all travelling to Greece. And he was so anxious about his rucksack. And it's because he had the ring in it. What is you, do you remember?

I remember him being anxious. I don't, I didn't. He never said, lot I'm going to propose. Yeah. But he took her to. Did he not ask you for my hand in marriage? No, but he took you to that beach and there were too many wasps.

So he couldn't propose there. Well, you're all there on the holiday. I mean, no, don't worry. We ended up spending our engagement night with mum in the fucking healthcare centre. Because she got so. And I was so excited. I was trying to bring someone and I tripped and caught my leg. Oh, my dad went into spasm.

So we ended up leaving our dinner to go and take it to the hell. It has to give me a muscle relaxing in my body. But look at the ring. Anyway, I mean, anyway. It's just isn't about us. It's actually, so I've had that when you're going to spasm. It goes into a spasm. I couldn't even move.

Last supper. Yeah. You're going to a desert island for a very very. very, very long time. Are we allowed to cookie? Are we allowed to? I know. I know. I can't wait. You're both, yeah, you're both, you don't have to eat a whole one. You can either do a combined, you could do a combined last supper or you can each have your own. Start a main page. Right. Are we going to do combined? We don't mind, but please, let's, let's really start living both. I know, but I really don't want shepherd's pie or any of these English boring boarding school dinners.

Okay, just to hear me out. Okay, go. So we're going to have a little moosh booze before. A moose. What's that? Mush bush. A moose bush. Moose bush. So I think we'd have, I would have like starter, like maybe like a little taco.

I don't think that's an amuseboosh. That's like a full bowl. You can do what you like. Okay, I'm having a small asparagus soup. No, no. Yes, I am. I vetoing that. Why?

What we're going to have is a plate of, like, delicious patinegra ham on. How boring is that? Why didn't we have both, guys? All right. But that's so mad that you said that because Kurt Russell also talked about an asparagus soup last week.

I knew Kurt Russell and I. You had Kurt Russell. Yeah, it was great. You had Kurt. Yeah, they were great. That's unbelievable. Sexy? So sexy.

So sexy. Really. Okay, so last up. So we're going to have asparagus soup. I'm just going to tell you, I went on a boat trip once, and we arrived in France, and I went to the trust house. It must be about eight years old, and I had this asparagus soup, and it was so good, I ordered it twice.

So I'd have that asparagus soup. Okay. I would have a plate of Pasinegra, and also a Samaraco. you know like the thick aspacho with bread in and they have like ham and egg in it it's delicious oh I've never had that oh my god it's so good really

where have you had it Spain oh no no I have it in a place called trocadero in Spain okay and it's just a little my dad oh your dad lives in Spain

and I sort of grew up going there for the summer okay so starter okay starter cheese fondue no yes I had just we just had a cheese fondue and sorry why are they

they're so alcoholic yeah why are they so boozy They're boozy cheese. Yeah. Where did you have a cheese fondue? We were just skiing and we had it out skiing. Where? You went skiing?

Yeah. With it. We just got back. Yeah, it was a lot. It's a lot. Not a wise holiday to go on with a three month old. Did you ski? I did one day.

Do you like skiing? I like skiing, but the mum girl was a lot. It wasn't the wisest of trips to go on, I will say. Yeah, it was not relaxing. Sorry, you probably needed four. No, I don't need a four too. Okay, so you had cheese fondue. I think I'd go for a cheese fondue.

I wouldn't because I think it tastes like alcoholic cheese. Oh so let's make it in the middle of... That's the whole point, Sophie. Why has it got so much alcohol in? It's because it's got um... Cash. Kush. Yeah.

And it's cemental and gruea and it's delicious. It's delicious. I'd like a couple and then I think I'm done. Yeah. Okay, fine. So what are we going for us at start? Okay, then I would go for a fish taco. And I would go to that place he went to and till um years and years and years ago.

Oh, yeah. We had a crab taco. Chitanos? It's quite a fish taco. It's quite a fish taco. It's quite well known. Aca, Aca, A, heart.

Heartwood or something? Yes, yes, yes. That's exactly, it's heartwood. Oh, they were good. We're going to have the tacos. We're going to have them. All right, what are we having for our main? For our main, what are we going to have?

What do we really like? We'd have a, um... Not a caducey. Not a caduce. Not anywhere. I would go Bolognaise. No, I really, sorry. Okay, fine.

Let's change it up. What would I have? A contracot? I was having Middle East. Oh, we would have saying Middle Easton. We might, or I would have a really good burger and really, really, like, French fries. I would like a bit of truffle and parmesan on it if you don't love that, so you can have normal. Too over-parring.

And then dessert, we're going to get a bonafie pudding, because we both love that. Oh, bonafie pudding. Something we agree on. Or a lemon meringue pie, or a key lime pie. Or a school rhubarb crumbles. I thought you hated your food in school. Not the rhubarb crumble. I love that.

That's thick crumbull. With custard or cream. Maybe with custard, but I don't need to have that. Custin just be there hanging on the side. No. What's your drink of choice? Elder flower. Sparkling water.

Oh my God. Oh, I've got some here if you want. Oh my goodness. That is the best drink in the whole white bar. Do you think? I think you get given that. When you go to heaven, God says here you go. It's your elder flower.

It's your elder flower. If you watch how Jamie makes an elder flower, it is frightening. It is, this is the glass. This much is elder flour and that much is sparkling water. Oh, no one. Do you like it? No one. wonder.

I honestly do it. I think your baby's going to be addicted to sugar. Yeah. No shit. Yeah, the baby's going to be addicted to sugar. He's got daddy sweets. Yeah, out of... Can we...

So let's talk about raising Chelsea a bit more. Like, why did you decide to do this? When I want to know, because you've come out of Made in Chelsea, I presume you had quite a positive experience with Made in Chelsea, but probably complicated. You've then gone on to be able to be able to... entrepreneur, you have a think tank, you have a sweet brand, you have your podcast, Empire

together. Why go back to telly? I'm interested by this. You've got your max factor deal. You're like, you're smacking it. No, I get it. I'm interested. Because why, why did you want that? Well, what's your answer and I'll give my answer? My answer, truthfully. Have you not discussed this before? I think we have the same answer. I don't think we do because my answer truthfully is that I didn't really think much, it really happened very quickly. It was like a long, long conversation for a long time. But truthfully, Jamie's a massive

optimist and he, you know, one talk with Disney, he's like, oh my God, we're going to do this? I'm just like, no, we're not. Like, you know, you're a very, you're an optimist, I'm a little bit more realistic. So I didn't really think it was going to happen. And then when it happened, it was sort of like, we've, they've offered to do this.

Do you think it's going to be a good idea? If you do, we've got to shoot next week. And I was just like, But did you ask, probably, like, Jessie doesn't show her children in any photos. Did you think about that? Well, I... About the implications for him. Good question.

Well, I never wanted to show, and we haven't shown Ziggy on social media. Okay. So the idea was always, we'll do the series, and it will be about my pregnancy. And we actually weren't planning on shooting past birth, like we weren't even going to shoot the birth. and I didn't actually want Ziggy and they were okay with Ziggy not being in it and we're sort of in a stage now where it's a bit complicated with that.

Yeah, but I think we would, we're going to show a little bit but not really. And also, look, we're in a complicated place with like social media and kids and things like that because I don't know where social media's going to go. You don't know, once they suddenly turn 10 years old and everyone hates social media go, why'd you put me on that? And so we need a sense of space there.

But the reason we did it was this is ever since I was a kid I had a video camera wherever I went like I filmed everything so I have archives and archives and archives of me just doing it and I to the age of like So you enjoyed doing that?

I love it. I can't, I don't know what it does behind the camera and front of the camera I just document it I was like the original vlogging before vlogging was I had 16 to 20 of me filming so that was I always like doing that

and then doing our podcast and doing reality TV I love the idea of like sharing true stories and real stories. That's what I really like. And I think, I also think with this Disney show, it's a, we're producers on it. So we're in control.

So in some ways we're in control, but we're also showing it's very real. Everything that you see is incredibly real, which was the point of doing it. And I, I love showing true stories. And I believe, like, love is such an, the best thing.

Love and humor, I think is amazing. And I think what Sophie and I do, is we portray our relationship in such a real way, which it is very real, but this whole journey of pregnancy and the emotions and the ups and downs and the lefts and rights, we thought that would be in a really interesting to document. And we did our wedding via a podcast, which was kind of fun and exciting. And so this was a sort of level up of doing it. And it was tough at times because you found it really hard during,

cameras in your face while you're pregnant. It's just a lot. Yeah, a fast pregnancy, I think. It was a lot. And I just thought it would, be a lot of fun. I get to hang out with my best mate and my wife and film content and film a show.

How many episodes is the first season? Three episodes. Oh, so it's just three? So I've seen the whole season. You've seen the whole season. Okay. What did you think? Well, I thought that you are,

and I know I'm fan of you too, and I think you're fantastic, and I felt like it was really truthful. And I thought that it was really, I mean, you're a fly on the wall, and it feels very honest. And it's very you too And I appreciate how much you allowed in

Sophie of you moaning at him Because I feel like that was very selfless And I rate you for that Because like I think that like It's fucking hard being pregnant And he's like A Labrador that bounces off the walls And you're like

I can't do a movie in the garden babe I can't do the big gesture I just want my family over And I think you both I think you both came over Come across brilliantly and your relationship shines in it. I think job well done.

Before we let you go, can you both give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere? Great one. Mine would probably be... Do you remember sherbet... Dips? Yeah.

So the sherbet, but with the licorice in it. Yeah. And you kind of suck it up. Yeah. That brings me back to being in Scotland when I was a kid and like with all my cousins and I would take away the licorice

but put my finger. in it and lick it with my finger. And that just goes back to this time, which was like so innocent and naive and just lovely. And it was all about adventures. And it was just, you know, you would maybe get to watch Power Rangers on TV and that was it. And it was just, ah, that was amazing. Power Rangers. Yeah, something, you know. So food. I, licorish all sorts. My great, my mum's grandma's. Which one? Though I used like the pink ones. With the licorish in the little. Yeah. And I would go to her house. and then the little balls with the little, the little dots.

Yeah, with the dots, yeah. I'd go to my great granny's house, and I would get all of those ones out of all of her liquorish, all sorts of packets, and I just loved her, and it was so sweet. What was her name? Ida. Ida. Yeah.

Lastly, how's your fitness at the moment, Jamie? Are you running still? I don't know how to keep fit when you have a child. It's like, it's so hard. I tried to run, like, a little bit, but I don't run that much. I used to go to the gym a lot. Not a lot, but I used to just do it, but now I've just no time. Can I say when you did your marathons, you made me cry.

We all crying. We were all crying. It made me donate even more money. Did you donate? Yeah, a lot. Thank you so much. But it made me cry because it was such an achievement. Oh, it was a magical.

I mean, it was the most, do you know, there was like so many amazing moments on this run, right? It was like incredible. And still now, like, it weirdly was like such an emotional experience. Even if I, like, talk too much about it, I almost get choked up. Was that children in need? It was comic relief. Comet relief? Yeah, because it's coming up this.

But it really made me like appreciate life. I can't tell you. Like changed my perspective in life so much, which was kind of amazing, especially before we had a kid. But there was this one moment where it was like the third day. And I was like so beaten up. And when you do something like that, you kind of need to have a North Star,

the reason you're doing it. And my reason was I wanted like one foot in front of the other, a metaphor for life. You've got to keep going when you're struggling with anxiety or whatever it is in life. And on the third day, I woke up. And I was just like, I can't bother you. this. I'd lost all energy. I was just like, why am I even doing this? Fair enough. You've done like

two ultramarathons already. I'm out. And I got on the radio and this sweet young girl had left me a voice note and she was like 10 years old and she said, Jamie, I can, I'm going to do, God, I'm going to go now, Jesus. But he said, Jamie, I'm, I've donated this, this, my pocket money to you. And I was like, oh my God, that's so amazing. She said, if you can get through these marathons, I can get through my chemo. Oh, God. Don't. Yeah. Me, crime. And it was like this, and I was like, oh my God, and she was like, you can do it. And I was like, God, people out there are so brave. Like so insane and so wonderful.

And it made me like that moment, like completely changed my perspective on life. It's like, I think there was so many times in life that I was like worrying about. I had a lot of anxiety before for it. And since that, I don't really feel anxiety things up because I think I was so focused on my own issues a lot of the time. Oh, God, one's this and the happen. Then you suddenly made me realize that there's so many other people out there who are having a way harder time. and it changed everything for me. So it was kind of an amazing experience for that

as well as like physically challenging you as things. Are you a patron for any other charities? For calm I am and for Kings Trust as well yeah but I just like helping younger kids. We met the king. We did meet the king. When did you meet him? We met him last year and he laughed at me.

Oh yeah, why? What did you do? I don't know what I did. I think you know you're told to stand up and you wait for him to put his arm out. Yeah. But I just kept him my arm up. It was like, I couldn't, I had no control of my arm.

And he was talking to Kate Garret away for quite a long time. And I thought, my time's up. He's going to have to go on to the next person. So I just really awfully shoved my hand out and I don't know why. You kept doing it. It was like, yes. Yeah. But he shook my hand and he laughed.

And he said that Ziggy was going to be born on his birthday. Yeah. And was who? No. No. No, it wasn't. But he laughed. He went, ho-huh, her.

And then he does this thing where he then walks off But he makes you feel special Because he walks off and then he'll go back to you Oh, that was a good story You go oh I'm the favourite Like this is nice but he does that to everyone I notice He's got the gist

And really soft hands Like his hands are really He doesn't do very much hard work Darling It's not playing the finger And so soft hands Lovely Congratulations guys

Thanks guys Thanks for being on Thank you so much And good luck So raising Chelsea you'll be out tomorrow. Yeah, Disney Plus, watch it. It's so, like, you can just keep on watching it.

And it's basically just you guys, which being completely yourselves and it's really, you were very, very kind of trusting and brave to do it. And I think everyone's going to love. Guys, thank you so much. You're amazing. And thank you for the good.

Pleasure. Such a pleasure. Jamie and Sophie, I haven't laughed that much in a while on the podcast. Great fun. Power couple. Just lovely, so in love, so happy, obsessed with their new baby. Yeah.

And yeah, it was a real pleasure to have them on. Really lovely. I loved the food. Did you? Mum, it was really tasty. I wasn't sure about it. It was so tasty. I didn't know that it did taste.

I'd like more sauce on the second time. I think I under-seasoned it. I think it could have had more salt in. I thought it was really, really tasty. Okay, good. I really enjoyed it. Thank you. And those cookies are really good.

Oh, good. Sophie and Jamie's new TV show, Raising Chelsea, is out tomorrow on the 2nd of April. And you can follow them through getting pregnant, to being pregnant, to giving birth. It's all there and it's on Disney Plus. And thanks, Mum. That was really, really tasty. We'll see you next week for more tablemen.