Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Marcus Mumford

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

On this week's episode we welcome musician and songwriter, Marcus Mumford! We chatted to Marcus in the lead up to brand new Mumford & Sons music and what sounds like an incredible 2026 for the band. Over steak tagliata, we talked about performing at Glastonbury, living in Devon, surfing in Malibu, the church his parents set up, his beloved Wimbledon AFC, and we hear all about Taylor Swift using his studio in Devon to finish her album. Thank you Marcus for travelling across the country to join us for dinner, wishing you all the best ❤️ Mumford & Sons’ new album ‘Prizefighter’ is out February 13th, and features collaborations with Gracie Abrams, Chris Stapleton & Hozier. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to table manners. I'm Jessie Warran. I'm here with my mum Lenny. Who needs dentures? No way. What happened last night? A double crown fell out and promise you all your inheritance is going in my mouth, darling. That's all I can tell you. Mark, I'm just saying the front one came out like two weeks ago. It's fine.

Just get some false teeth. No? I have influence, darling. I've got... Well, they're not fucking. implanted very well, aren't they? These are old ones. This needs renewing. It's fine. Anyway, how are you, Lenny? Well, I was fine till I spoke to you, denchers. So usually we do the intro before the guest comes, but we love a slightly early guest,

and the guest today was a little early, so now we're doing the intro after having had a fabulous evening with him. We have Marcus... Did you... Sorry, did you manifest his ear? the arrival because you want to go to bed early. I love it. It's my favourite. We have Marcus Mumford coming on Tablemanners tonight and I'm very excited. I'm looking at the camera

because now we have cameras. I don't know if I am I taking the cameras seriously? I thought some of us are. No, it's my dodgy eye. No. One eye out the window and one up the chimney. One on my camera. One on my YouTube. I don't know where you were. Okay, I'm going to stop doing that. We're still working. It's

early days, Lenny, like me flush it out. Am I supposed to be looking over there? I don't know. You mean like Blue Peter? Yeah. Okay, fine. I'm not going to look at the camera anymore. We have Marcus Mumford on, who is of course from Mumford and Sons.

We never, where did they get their title from? Are you kidding, Mum? Marcus Mumford. Of course. But Sons. Oh, sorry, but sons. Are you actually kidding? No, but Sons.

And mates. I don't, Marcus Mumford and Mates doesn't work as well. Okay, sorry. It's not... I'm glad you didn't ask him that. No, I just... The Sons thing, Jesse. I know the Muntford. Okay. Anyway, Marcus Muntford is coming on to talk all things, new music. It's the new Mumford and Sons record that's coming out next year.

They've already had one out at the beginning of this year. They're prolific. Big tour. Big tour that they've already started. And we get to chat to him. He's coming all the way from Devon. Yeah. So he likes meat.

Apparently. So I'm on food duty today. I have to give a shout out to Rosie, my gorgeous nanny, who has helped with the juzing of and actually going and buying the stakes today. So thank you, Rosie. You're the best. I think she did it because she's a massive mumfid and son's fan. But I heard from Emma Freud, who has been on our podcast before, who we love,

who's really good friends of Marcus. I said, what does he like eating? Can you give me some tips? And she said he loves a good cut of steak. So I went to Proud Sal. It's in Crofton Park. It's lovely butchers. And we got four gorgeous sirline steaks.

I'm going to make tallyata, beef tallyata, which is really easy. It's in our cookbook. And it's really nice. You just sear it. Well, cook it on either side, maybe three to four minutes on either side. And then within that, you take it, let it rest,

and you put crushed garlic, rosemary, lemon zest and lemon juice and you just kind of let it sit for a bit and then serve it with some rocket and you slice it up and it should be just delicious. So I've had my sirloin steaks. That's what talliata means. What? Chopped. Oh dessert. Okay. And so I've had the steaks coming to room temperature. They've been salted. They've been seasoned. And then I'm making this mob kitchen potato salad, which is basically, a base of pea, artichoke,

dijon, lemon and then you josh that all up and then you put on top new potatoes with asparagus, sesame seeds, Zatar, rocket but I didn't put rocket because I had that with the thing so I put some watercress in there

and some feta and mint. So it's just going to be quite fresh and lovely with this quite rare steak. And then what have you made for PUD? I've made a Brown sugar and hazelnut pavlova with quince. Yum. Gorgeous.

A bit of a disaster with the quincers. What happened? I burnt the syrup. Oh, I over-bubbled it. Oh, so I had to start again. Oh, have you ever cut a quince up? No. It's like cutting a rock up.

Oh, yeah. But it's all right. It's all worked out. It looks really nice. Yeah, good. Yeah, Marcus Monford, coming up on table numbers. Marcus Mumford. Why have you been walking around on you cross for an hour?

Because the Elizabeth line is unbelievable. It was the first time I've been on it. And the wind rush line as well. Yeah. Absolutely fantastic. That's the first time you've been on either of them. I haven't been on the Elizabeth line up to me. I live in Devon.

Oh, fair enough. So it's been a while and it was unbelievable. I love it. This is like your version of going on like a double-decker open top. bus, you went on the wind rush. I mean, I've always been, I grew up in London. I'm a big fan of the tube, but the Elizabeth line is a game change.

Yeah, but did it smell when you got to, which is the stop where it stinks? It smells of damp. Have you not been on it? Have you been on it? Do you know? Have you been on it? Yeah, of course I have.

Do you not take the tube? No, no. You're too elegant. You're not. I'm lazy. I'm lazy. Yeah, exactly. I hate it.

If I play Glastonbury again, she's going to do the helicopter like Shirley Bassie. As you should. Have you ever got a helicopter into Glastonbury? No. No, because I drive from home. It doesn't take very long. Oh, yeah. In fact, we took our youngest when she was four weeks, maybe three weeks old to go and see Elton.

Oh, I thought when you were headlining. No. She wasn't around then. No, I know I got kicked out of our dressing room then. I wasn't allowed back in because I tried to steal the furniture. So I wanted a memento So I tried to load the sofa To load the sofa into a back of a van

Hang on a minute They've had enough So when you headline Pyramid stage What was it, 2012? Yeah, something like that You got, you tried to steal the sofa A little memento Have you played since?

No No, you kissed Emily on I know, I know Do you think you really have? No, maybe, no, I don't think so No, I saw Mike, when we took We took our youngest, to go to the Elton

And then I saw Michael, he was like, when are you coming back? And I was like, whenever you want me. He's like, you can come back when you give me back my sofa. No, I didn't succeed. But they did kick me out of the dressing room and didn't let me back in. Oh, my God. It's just the best festival on earth, though. It is.

Every other festival is trying to be glassy. Have you been to Coachella? Do you like Coachella? I've never experienced sand like that. Do you know what? It's too hot. We did stagecoach last year. Oh, I really want to go to that.

That was really fun. That's so good. You can do that. I like that one. All festivals in the world are trying to be like Glastonbury. It's the OG. It's the best. So let's talk about, well, we're going to talk about Devon in a bit,

but let's talk about Wimbledon. You don't. Sorry. AFC. You don't. Do you get to go to see them? I actually took my daughter to her first ever football game when we got promoted last season at Wembley. Congratulations.

It was fantastic. And we're doing quite a while. You based in Milton Keynesston. Absolutely not. No, this is going to, we're going to have to clear this up immediately. So, Wimbledon were the first ever and only team sold as a franchise to a different city, different town. And they were sold to Milton Keynes. So we don't really like that, those words in our house. Okay.

So we tend not to play Milton Keynes very much. So where are you, so the fans set up their own club, which is called AFC Wimbledon, which is very different to the Martin Keynes team. Yeah. And do you get to still play at Selhurst Park? No, we built a stadium at Plow Lane. So you're back down Plow Lane again? Why didn't I know that? I don't know.

Because they built all houses there and the dogs went. That's it. They built the stadium on where the dogs were. Did you ever go to the dogs? I loved the dog. I never went. And Stock car racing. I grew up in Wimbledon.

My brother was at school in Battersea and then I went to primary school in Battersea. So we used to drive past Plow Lane every day. I always go past the dogs and I never went. Oh, mate, it was so good. I think it was to go for my birthday. Is that where Blur shot the cover of Parkland? No, they were Wolframstow. So let's talk about Wimbledon.

But I was in Wimbledon when you were in Clam. Clam. Yeah, yeah. And my husband was in St. Reatham right up the road. Yeah. And so who was around the dinner table and what were you eating? Around the dinner table most nights was after the six o'clock news. Yeah.

After I delivered my father a glass of red wine and maybe some nuts. Then we'd eat at six. 30 and it was normally just the four of us had gone older brother. Yeah. And then my parents and they'd try and get us to eat together as much as we could once we were sort of six or something. Do you eat with your kids? I love it. But I like eating

at like five in the evening. Yeah. I love it. Do you eat with your kids? Yeah, we just started to. Are you trying to do the, who delivers you? The other night? Yeah. Well, sushi's, how old is your eldest? Ten. That is the sushi time. And it's a girl. It's the eight-year-old. She's not that into it. She had a

chicken nuggets. She's a gerry roll. But no, the eight-year-old is obsessed with it, and he, yeah, we did it for it. Oh, so the 10-year-old doesn't like it? No, no. But no, we've just started eating with our kids, and it's a different, different phase. Who cooks? I do the cooking, actually, most of the time. Do you? You're the main chef in the house?

Yeah, we've all been in denial about that for a while, but the truth is, like, I heard my wife confess to it the other day as well. I do the cooking. What's your best dish? Oh, well, we eat a lot of salads. I am married to an actor and I like them now as well. She's changed me. So we basically go about trying to burn vegetables. I should tell you that's not really cooking.

We burn it one no, wait till you hear this. Wait till you hear this. We'll burn as much. Is that being me? Vegetable content as we can. And then we'll do, my go-to is like butternut squash, almost burn. Yeah. So it's almost like it's caramelized.

Yeah. Pine nuts toasted. Yeah. Gorgeous. Fetter, chopped up, small. Avocado. Yeah. And sweet corn, fresh.

We grow sweet corn and it's absolutely amazing. It's super sweet. And then balsamic olive oil. That is good. There's quite a lot of cooking that goes into that. Okay. And then chicken breast or something. Okay.

I really, well, it sounds delicious. Are you going to judge me? No. For the fact that I've just gone air fry it. Oh, we love. I've just got no. Okay, good. I'm working for you.

Yeah. Well, it's just bang out salmon in eight minutes. I know. And it's a total mood changer. Chicken in 12. Have you done chicken thighs in there yet? Yes. I think that's the best.

Game changer. Yeah. And then we do for our sort of roasting vegetables situation. Oh, do you do your veggies in there? I can't go on. Tender stem broccoli. Oh. Do you do it in the air?

It's gorgeous. And like proper crispy. Now, are you spraying a little bit of oil on there? No, do you know what I'm doing? I'm tossing. I'm pre-tossing. You toss it before it goes in. Always pre-tossed.

Yeah, so I don't know, that's probably more indulgent than a spray. I still haven't got your Wimbledon dinner. Okay, so. Okay, so yeah. Yeah, I'll get distracted. After the nuts and the red wine at 6.30, who was cooking? My mum. And was she a great cook?

Great cook. What's a very memorable meal? I mean, her roast chicken would probably still remain my last meal. Okay. If I had to choose one. Do you know that's a question on that. this. Oh yes, is it? Okay. Okay, great. Okay, well, I've got another option. Okay, okay, fine. Her roast chicken with roast potatoes, some sort of greenery, which was basically irrelevant,

because it was just a vehicle for gravy and red currant jelly. Good gravy. I love red courage. Always quite a lot of booze in the gravy. Really? A lot of booze. Yeah. Yeah. And like a deep, dark brown. Because of red wine? Because of red wine and Marmite. She always puts marmite in her gravy Do you love marmite? I like Marmite. Yeah, I do, I like, yeah. Do you like veggie mite?

Yeah, I've got a lot of time for veggiemite. Me too. I only put marmite in lamb gravy. Yeah, see, I think so traditionally chicken gravy is paler. Yeah. She always went dark. Yeah.

Thinkers of the red wine marmite combo. Okay. Gorgeous. And it was always very rich. Right. And I was a fat child. So was I. Yeah.

I dessert? Always. Every evening. Which is also. been a problem for me. So you weren't made to have just an apple after you didn't. No, no. We changed that after I had a heart to heart with her when I was about 16 and was like,

I'm quite fat. And she was like, maybe there's some things I could be doing to support you and not being quite so fat. We did. We had that conversation. So my snacks changed. I started taking, I think instead of chocolate bars like Kit Katz and Mars bars, I would take in those brunch bars, which is still chocolate covered corolla bars.

Yeah, they're like masking, like, they're basically new. Yeah, and like baked Walker's Crisps instead of the full. Me too. It was the 90s. What was your favourite sandwich? Um, cheese and ham. With some sort of niche chutney in it. Love a niche chutney.

My favourite chutney now is Mrs. Bowles. Have you had that one? No. It's a great name, but it's also a great chutney. Mrs. Ball's, like South African relish. It's very sweet. It's a South African one. I know it is because it's in my apricot chicken recipe. So what are you getting in your local farm?

shop in Devon? Well, we're quite close to the Devon Chili Farm and I really like their chutneys. Chili jams. Yum. Hot sauces. Gorgeous. They're really good. And then we get given a lot of chutney. Because we don't drink, right?

So when, yeah, we don't drink. So when people come to our house they'll bring niche things and most of the time that means they bring chutney. What would you prefer them to bring? No, do you know what? I'll take chuttonny. Candles. Candle's always good.

Yeah, I like a candle. When did you move to Devon? Just before COVID. Oh, wow. Yeah, we bought a place there in 2013, but then made it permanent in 2019. And do you like it, prefer it? Yeah, we love it.

It's just home now. Yeah. And do you surf there? Is it near enough? Yeah, it's about an hour to the South Coast surf breaks, and then an hour and 20 to the North Coast. What's the earliest you've got up to catch a wave? Four.

Have you on a WhatsApp group with all your mates and they're like... Surfline. We spend quite a lot of time as Surfline. Surfline. Surfline is like the app that gives you the wave predictions. Okay. In the way of the forecast. How's got a dry robe?

I don't have a dry robe. That is a new present. I use those hoodie towels. That's a good present. I use those hoodie towels. Or just, you can just use a bathrobe. I know. So how high are the waves that you're catching?

I'm not a good surfer, I'm a keen surfer I'm the same with lots of different hobbies I'm not particularly good at them but I love Is there an etiquette in Devon Because there's definitely one in Malibu we learn Yes we had we have mini driver on Who's a kid I've surfed with Minnie In Malibu

Yeah I have Your turn No I did She gets angry I've come across people who have come across her Diplow Yeah she doesn't mess around Now Diplo is a rascal though

Yeah this is what she said He's an absolute rascal and I've surf with him as well and he is a rascal. They all surf at this place. He pushes in and yeah. They all surf at this place. Near where she's got her. In Pointeam, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or Paradise Cove. And there are some amazing surf bricks around it. And Malibu is so busy but you have to

have a key to get to the beaches, which seems like a very strange thing. You have to have a key in. You have to have a key fob to get into the beaches. I wonder if it's, you still have to now since all of the Oh yeah. I don't know if she. But yeah, I lived, because I was born in California. And so, and then I lived off and on in the States all my life, really, but I went and made a record in LA, a solo record in L.A. And I lived in Tupanga. And so we'd surf Tampanga. I think that's when we hung out. You were on your own. I think your wife had just gone to make a film in New York. She's always doing that, yeah. Yeah. And I think you've just

done it with Blake. Yes, that's right. I think you were just finishing it. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was surfing every day. That was the best thing about it. But they get really crowded and it gets really, you know, surfers are supposed to be cool and chill. And kind of, there's very much not like everyone gets into fights all the time. Fights. Yeah, I've dropped more sea bombs in the ocean than I have anywhere else. Oh. It gets quite eggy.

Oh, my. Why is that? Because people won't take their turn. Yeah, when it's overcrowded, everyone's got, you know, in L.A., everyone's got, like, an hour to surf whenever that period. So if someone gets in the way of their wave, they get very upset. Because they're not in, like, Bali, where they can just surf all day. I do think Malibu is one of the most beautiful places on earth.

It's really tragic. I do love it. Yeah. I'm going to try and deal with this state. Can I do anything to be helpful? No, you can't. You can just answer the questions, Marcus. Okay, I'm very excited.

I still, besides the roast chicken, what did she do about your dinners in the evening? Because you didn't eat roast chicken every night. No, we ate a lot of lasagna. Did your mum work? Yeah, both of my parents are vickers. They're both vickers. Yeah, and they work together.

all the way. So, but are they still working? Yeah, they still work. Yeah, both of them. So I'm Jewish, so we're Jewish. So I don't know anything about the Church of England, really. Yeah.

So did you have a parish? Yeah, so they were in the Church of England. Then they left the Church of England, moved to California. Yeah. Joined a church called the Vineyard Church. Yeah. Which is kind of pretty similar to a bunch of the Church of England churches around here. And then they came over here.

and planted the first vineyard church in our front room in Wimbledon. How amazing. And so a lot of it was based out of our house. So she would entertain like three nights a week. So we'd have people around all the time. And she'd always cook and she'd make appetizers and then lots of stews and things that are easy for 20 people. When you were little, they had their own church and then you had the house attached to the church.

No, our house was the church to start with. Yeah. Oh, your house was always the church. Yeah. So when I was six months old, they came back from California, and they started the church literally on that group with like us and two other people. And then it grew and grew and grew and then they planted a bunch of others.

Yeah, it was really cool. So we just had people around. So religion's always been a huge part of your life. Yeah. Yeah. And you're still? Yeah. You're still religious.

Yeah. Yeah. And does that mean all your children are baptized? No. I only got baptized a few years ago. Really? Yeah, because our church didn't do infant baptism. Okay.

They left it to be. They dedicate kids and then they'd in a kind of ceremony, but then they'd leave it up to the kids and they grew up. Okay, that's the thing. Yeah. So no, yeah. And does food feature in the vineyard church? Yeah, massively.

They used to do donuts at half time. How funny. Yeah. keep the kids interested. And hospitality was a huge part of the whole concept of church. Because a lot of it was based on sort of the early church models of people gathering and sharing things and, you know, a bit more DIY than the higher church stuff, which we loved and had respect for and had friends in, but this was a different kind of way of doing it. And is your wife part of that church now as well? No, she grew up in a Catholic church. Okay.

So is she Catholic? I don't know what she'd call herself now. We haven't kind of fiddled with names for a while. Okay. But we both grew up with faith backgrounds. Okay. And both still have a faith, although it was probably quite different to what we grew up with. And, yeah, I mean, for me growing up, it was a privilege because we're just surrounded by people all the time.

And people who were trying to be kind, mostly. That's good. With some rotters along the way, but mostly people who are trying to figure out how to be kinder. That's why I love religious communities. So the Vineyard Church, where did that come from? California. Wine was what was wine involved? Yeah, I guess there's lots of stuff in the Bible about wine.

Yeah. I don't actually know where it comes from. Is Harvest Festival a big thing still? Not at all. No. Well, not for us, it wasn't. Okay. But they'd have like groups three times a week.

Okay. So it's not like a regular. And then Sunday services as well. Sunday service. Okay. Started in a local school. Well, it started in our house. Then I went to a local school and was in a school hall for a long time, basically. So how big would the congregation be? A couple of hundred.

Oh, it's quite big. Yeah. Yeah. And then they planted out of that church, they planted 100 different churches around the country. Fantastic. Yeah, it's cool. And then they took over the more international stuff. So are they ahead of that, the vineyard church in Britain? In the world? In the world?

They're like, well, they're like. The UN Secretary General for the Vineyard Church, yeah. So do they travel around the world? Yeah, they do loads of travelling. Still. Yeah. Yeah, they're amazing people. God, they sound amazing.

They're really cool. You'd like my mum. You and my mum would get on very long. Do you think? Yeah, do you. Cut from the same clock of them. Right. Right. We have the food.

Calliata, and then this is a mob kitchen. Do you have, like... Yes, yes. The app. No, not the app. Oh, the app's really good, babe. Oh, is it? Yeah.

No, I haven't done that. It's really good for, like, they do loads of, like, protein-packed things. Eat, like, you give a fuck. Isn't that the tagline? Is it? I don't think they've changed that now. But anyway, I don't get a thingy. Help yourself.

But this is a mob kitchen. It's kind of whipped salt. No, darling, you start. Whipped pea, artichoke. something or other with new potatoes, sesame, asparagus, and better. So please help yourself. This just looks amazing. Wait, what's going on here?

This is some crushed. I thought it was potato salad. But there's lots going on down here. Yes, there's like a kind of puree, pea, artichoke thing. It's really healthy. Really healthy. I need to know. You're married to a brilliant actress.

Yeah. Actor. Kerry Mulligan. Yes. You must be so proud of her. I'm very proud of her. Yeah, I am. She's remarkable.

She's seriously. I mean, she's always cool than I am. Yeah, yeah. She's amazing. How are you with doing like, you know, when she gets a script? I mean, I'm sure she doesn't have to audition for anything anymore because she's just fantastic and probably people are knocking at the door trying to, you know. But do you ever have to do, you know, the back and forth for her to learn her life?

The Notting Hill thing? Yeah. We do that far less than I was anticipating. Were you quite up for the... Cosplay? No, it's not so much that. Bradley Cooper. Well, actually, I don't know if you'd want to be maestro, would you?

Because he wasn't very kind to... Well, used it. No, I did... Early on, we did a bit. But, no, she tends to learn her lines, like, quite late. So they're really fresh. She's really... Oh, she's a crammer.

She can remember. Yeah, she's a crammer, yeah. But she's really excellent at her job. She's... And I remember that every time Because I didn't watch a couple of her films in a row I can't remember why But like she said in the dig I never saw

I loved it And then I felt bad Holden you didn't see it or you had No but I did see one The play that she'd just done before that I watched ten times So I was like Was that when she cooked Spag Bowl on stage?

Yes I saw that was Skyline That was really impressive And she makes a mean spag ball She went to a whole like cooking lesson to learn how to make fast, delicious spagball because she has to eat it every night as well. She was chopping that shit on stage.

She was pregnant too. It was brilliant that page. What was the name of the film? Skylight was the plate. Oh yeah. Was it the national? It was fantastic. And that spag ball would look wicked.

So she's really good at spag ball. And she did that thing with the onion where you can chop it really fast. And I was just stressed out for her because I was like she's got to stay her line. She's looking at her dad. I know. It was multitasking. It was amazing.

So, last supper, starter, main, putt, drink of choice. I should have prepped this, shouldn't I? Yeah, you had a long journey. Yeah. But I think he knows what he wants. The starter's going to be, my mum makes a Christmas mushroom puffs. Which is quite 70s, I think. Like volavort?

Yeah, sorts of. With kind of creamy mushroom. I bet you there, Delia, Smith. Okay. But it's that mushroomy, You know, chopped up mushrooms and charlots. Yeah, with a creamy sauce, yeah. And then, and then folded over in puff pastry.

Lovely. Unbelievable. Does she put any herbs in, like Tarragon? Yeah, time. Time. And maybe Tarragon. Yeah. Yum.

They're really good. And those I associate with Christmas. Does that be your starter? That'd be my starter. And then Beef Wellington, because I just love pastry. It's foraging season now, isn't it? Like mushroom foraging season. We've got some field mushrooms that are out at the moment.

Are they delicious? Do you trust your knowledge on mushrooms? I'm a bit nervous about that. Apparently, you can't get them from the woods. You have to be from the field, and they can't have yellow with them. He preferred to take the other ones that are. It's unclear to me which ones will kill you and which ones will make you high and which ones taste nice and toast. Just be careful. Yeah. Yeah, it does feel like a roll of the dice. That's quite a high-stakes game.

Exciting, then. No, well, could kill you. So, yeah. Yeah. So, okay, we've got a beef Wellington sides. I'm thinking, are they, what do you have as a side? You don't need much with a beef Wellington. It's almost a complete meal on the same, which means that you could do a double portion.

So maybe it's just a double portion. Yeah, gorgeous. Let's straight to them. No potatoes. Well, you've got the pastry. Yeah. You've got vegetables with the mushrooms. Oh, okay.

So we're not going to go cream spinach. No, we're not going to do any of that. I mean, I'll take it. Yeah, fine. Yeah, yeah, lovely. A salad? No. No.

I had enough of them with his wife, I know, yeah. Okay, pudding. I will always, if I'm in a restaurant, I will always order if they have it on the menu, a chocolate fondant. Always. If you'd have told us, I'd have done one. Do you remember I did them? I just, I like, I like being able to compare and contrast. Where's your best chocolate fondant?

I think it was in my house growing up. Your mum made those as well. In about 1996. Your mum has a garden. It was like in those trays with the hot water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bamboree. Van Marie.

And I don't think. And then that company, goo. They're pretty good. They're good. They're pretty good. Yeah, they came in the little ramekins. Yeah, and we all had all the glass rambicans. Yeah.

But I think the best one was my mum's one. Oh, that's lovely. And what do you have with it? Everything. I think double cream and ice cream. Gorgeous. That's what Jesse likes. Yeah, I love that.

What's your ice cream of choice? You had a bit of an addiction to ice cream Did you kind of replaced drinking with ice cream Yeah I did yeah I went big on ice cream for a while I love ice cream Because I wasn't losing weight And I was like

Well I stopped drinking So obviously I should replace the sugar with the sugar What was your ice cream of choice Anything? Hargandars Parallins My favourite I don't think you can beat it

I think it's the perfect ice cream Can you return back to it And still get joy from it Like I haven't for a while actually. I had a couple of ice creams on holiday in Devon last month. That were pretty great. While mum is sorting out the food, you have a new Mumford

album coming out next year. But you're touring how much music are you touring of the new stuff now? And you also have a beautiful single with Hosia? Yes. Is he lovely? He's amazing. He's unbelievably tall. I thought you were going to say talented. No, no, no. The first thing's first. The guy is so tall. You're pretty tall. I know, but he's like six.

He's like basketball player. Yeah. He's actually massive. So because he's kind, yeah. You just feel like he's like a big walking. How did you meet each other? We met a really long time ago.

I mean, he came on tall with us. We played, no, maybe he played. Was that after take me to church, kind of? Yes. We met him around then, like early on. Your voices suit each other, so it's beautiful. I mean, he's one. one of my favorite people to sing within the world and is just monstrously talented but

monstrously kind. I did his podcast. He did like a kind of compassion focused podcast for a while and I went on that to talk about War Child and Grenfell. And we've just been mates ever since, really. I mean, we don't see each other huge amount because he's very busy. So is that why you had to do a song together? As an excuse to hang out. Is he come on stage yet? We had him out in sound check when we were in the States before the song came out and we got to sing it together on stage there. So maybe it's prepped.

The live performance is prepped. And he played with us, well he played with us. He could pop up at any time. He played with us last time we did Austin City Limits. He came up. He popped up. I love Austin City Limits. That's a great one. That's a goodie. Yeah, it's a really good one. But yeah, I just love him to bits. He's amazing. So how does it feel? What album were you on now

for Mumford? That's a great question. I think it's number six. Yeah, we put five out earlier this year, and then six is coming beginning of next year. So there's two within a calendar year, which we've never done before, which actually I'm really excited about.

We just went through this period of time where we just wrote loads of songs, yeah. We met together in January 23 and said, like, let's just try and write as many songs as we can and move around the world until we find the songs and then just keep going until we find more. So we started in L.A., Then we went to Devon and Dave Cobb came along with us who produced Rushmere.

Then we went to Nashville with him for a while in Savannah, Georgia. Then we went to Paris and New York with Farrell and just started writing songs together, which one of the songs we put out called Good People. And he really like breathed inspiration into me personally in a massive way. It was like a complete breath of fresh air. Have you worked with him? And I was obsessed with NERD. He's just so imaginative and endlessly creative,

but also like thrives when he sees other people thriving. You know, like that's when I think he's the best version of yourself when he's watching other people like shine, come out of their skins. He's just unbelievably generous, creative. And so, and he sort of gave me a few pep talks where he was like, look, you know, don't be afraid of writing what you really think, what you really feel. and writing loads as well. It's like you've got more capacity in you

than you're allowing yourself. Was there a conversation that happened that you talked about your fear? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was being quite... I mean, it was kind of like therapy sessions that turned into songs. He was like, let's just talk

before we start writing. Oh, my Lord. Well, this is quite seasonal. I mean, I get overwhelmingly tempted to just be like, la la la la la la la la la. Have you ever done a cake smash? Yes.

And did it end horribly rock? No. I mean, it did what Bugsie Malone would want it to do, so it was great. Okay, great. Yeah. When did you do your last cake smash? It's been a good 10 years. Okay, right, fine.

Yeah. Would you ever do it to one of your children? Yes. Which one? We have a forfeit scheme rather than a punishment scheme in our house. What? This sounds great. Well, you know, if you tell tales, you have to do five star jumps.

Snitches, yeah? Normally, like, the person being told tails on also has to do five star jumps for the thing that they did. Like, he punched me. Okay, give me five star jumps. up for telling tails, but also you punched her, you've got to do five. So, hold on, how would, I'm interested in this parenting technique because

kids are always telling tales would you prefer them to just sort it out themselves then? Yeah, and I think this encourages them to actually, because most of the time they don't. They know that there's a forfeit, not a punishment, but a forfeit included if they do it. So it makes them

think twice. I'm going to, Marcus, maybe you should start like a parenting podcast. We have a forfeit if you leave your liquids in your bags at the airport, so that you don't think pisses me off more than that. Yeah, but you're allowed them now? In some airports. Oh, well, maybe that changes the game.

But you never know. Are you like that? Oh, there's a really good one. We could thought of a good one with, if you, um, are bragging, you have to instantly give 50% of whatever it is you're bragging about to the person you're bragging to. So what's an example?

So I've got 10 M&Ms and I'm like, he-ha, straight away. And do you? And that absolutely has to happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a consequence. Darling, would you like some of that? Yeah, absolutely loves. It looks phenomenal

Hazelnut and brown sugar Pavlova with quince Which is your cultured. Do you have quincers at the moment on the farm? No, we've got apples and pears and blackberries still. Gorgeous. Blackberries felt like we've been forever. You bit done with them.

Well, no, it's a real, it's an activity. Yeah, that is true. Can I have half that amount? Yeah, I'll have the other half, actually. It's going on tour, Mom. Come on, he's got to be a nice of it. So much. Look at that. That's amazing. I'm getting another extra quints, though, I feel like.

Quince is it quite big, are they? What's a quince related to? Is it like a crab apple? Like a pear crab apple. Okay. So, okay, so you've got the bragging. I'm going to try this and I'm going to let you know. I'm going to get your number and I'm going to let you know how it goes.

I'm trying to think what else. Bragging. Oh, yeah, if you... Telltells. Yeah, if you ask. where something is and I find it within 10 seconds you've got to give me 10 star jumps

so it's all star jumps or press ups changes yeah yeah this is a genius idea but now my wife and I do it with each other as well like if I'm like babe where's my phone and she's like if I and she walks in and it's on the side where I'm standing it's 10

it's 10 press ups how's your relationship with having to do this and how are your star jumps better than ever they're really good they're really strong this is This is, I'm going to, I'm going to try this. Oh my lord. That is unbelievable. That is unbelievable.

Is this one of those where you had it somewhere and were like, No. I want to, did you make it up? No, I didn't make it too. Mom, this is good. Also, the meringue is really good. And the hazelnuts are amazing with it. The quince is very sweet.

I associate quince with being a bit bitter, my wrong? I don't know. Enough about it. It's unbelievable. Let's talk about the music. Let's talk about it. all these different places that you wrote and were inspired. It sounds insane.

Actually, Noel Gallagher talks about songs like everyone knows they fall from the sky, but you've got to have your hands out ready to catch them. Otherwise, fucking Bono or Chris Martin are going to catch stuff. So I like that because I saw, I saw Noel actually a few years ago at a bar and we were off the road for a minute and I was just like taking a minute. And he was like, what are you up to? I said, I'm just taking a minute. I'm knackered, you know, we've been touring.

you know her yes he's like no sorry mate i don't are you a song right now i was like yes he was like well then you should be writing songs every day because it's a muscle that will go and dash for you're writing jesse and he was really right actually so then so then in january 23 when the band got back together i told them the whole gallagher thought and um and we did we started just writing every day like whatever whatever came out didn't care about the quality just cared about the quantity and we just started writing and writing and writing and then over the course of a couple years. We had, you know, whilst we were mixing Rushmere, Aaron Dessner was in the studio next door, working with Gracie Abrams. And we were just all there in this electric lady

in New York sharing this kind of creative space. Aaron came in and was like, this is what I've been doing, something that he and Justin Vernon had been working up. And we heard it and instantly were like, we've got to write the lyrics to this one. So we started with that. And then we wrote another and another. And the same week we were mixing, we were like four, songs onto the next record. That's so exciting. Having done all this work with Farrell as well. So we just kept rolling.

And then so it's been a really prolific period for the band. And I'm really excited by it. This is the most proud of anything we've ever. Really? That I am of anything we've ever done. Did you need that time away to do the solo record? Did you need to scratch that itch to be able to then kind of get back together and Yeah, you know, COVID was weird.

And then, yeah, I did. had this kind of urge to go off and make something a bit weirder. And it was beautiful, your solo record was beautiful. Yeah, I loved it, but then come back home, which is the band. And so we've really just attacked it since then. And we're like, forced the thing, like, what really are we as a band and what makes us what the other one? Do you collaborate when you're writing songs for TV shows like Daisy Jones?

Yeah, I did. I did that with Blake. Well, a bunch actually, a bunch of his friends as well. Did you meet Riley Kea? We did meet her, yeah. Was she wonderful? She's amazing. Yeah.

And she sang your song. Yeah, she's an amazing, like, producer and director and writer and all those things as well. She's really kind of... And of course, Reese produced it, Daisy Jones. Yes, she did, yeah. That was Hello Sunshine, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, that was really collaborative.

The Ted Lassow thing that I did was really collaborative with an amazing composer called Tom Howe, who's a real hero. And, yeah, I love writing songs with other people. How exciting. hint hint me oh my god i'd love to write with you i have i i never did it to start with in the band i never did it and then i've started doing it more recently and i really love it it's fun so okay have you got another album in the tank now that you've like if you've been will you write on tour or do you feel like that's just pressure i find it hard to write on tour but i'm being more disciplined about carving out time to write because noel gallagher said that to you because i've got to have my hands out

better get me on Joanna tonight. Do you write on the piano? No, I don't fucking write on piano. No, I go, uh, yes, yeah, I love it. Do you in the shower? No, I can't, you know what? I had a funny one on this record where, and it doesn't happen to me that much

because I don't play any instruments and I hate myself for that. I'm not why my daughter's playing three instruments so she can play for me. But yeah, no, I go in the studio and I collaborate and I am going to learn the piano. I'm going to relearn the piano and I'm going to sit.

but I'll think of things like on a bike. I always find it when I'm riding on a bike. I find movers for themselves. Swimming. Trains. Trains. Sky, the sky. Yeah. Maybe it's because I've had a few glasses of wine,

but there's something, you've got the space. Yeah. And I find like kinetic energy often, like first poems I ever wrote were on a train. So, excuse me, when are you collaborating? Oh, we're about to actually make her, we're going to go on it. We're going to go on holiday, aren't we? Exactly. Yeah, with no children.

Don't why you went to all these places. Jesse. To work. Jussie, Mumford and sister. There we go. That's really sweet. Mumford and Mums. That's good.

Aaron Destin was really inspiring to me on this because I watched, you know, he's been a friend for a long time. He helped us with the demos for our third record. And then the National remained one of my favorite bands ever. And then he started producing more and more, including all those Taylor Swift records with Jack Antonon. Folklore is one of our faves. It's amazing. Beautiful. And just watching his journey as a collaborator and as a producer has been really inspiring to me.

So then he called me... So you're going to start producing then? I have done a little bit. I've just done something with Maisie Peters, which is really sweet. Oh, she's got great for us. I'm not sure of... Have you got a studio down on your farm? Yeah.

In fact, Aaron called me during COVID, at the end of COVID when it was legal and said, I've got someone I'm working with that needs a studio in the UK. Do you know this story? No. And I was like, Cool. Well, if it's one of your homies, then I'm sure it'd be fine. Like, what is it, Beyonce or something?

And he goes, because he was looking for a discreet studio. Yeah. I was like, I don't think there really are any. No, because everyone's interested in truth. Yeah. And he was like, well, can they come and use yours? And I said, well, you know. And it was Taylor Swift.

Wow. And she came down right at the end of COVID and was the most phenomenal house guest, burn a lot of vegetables for her. And she brought a killer camera. Candle, actually. I bet she bloody did. She did. Her camp game was excellent.

And she finished the second half of Evermore in our studio. Wow. Then she asked me to sing a woman, and I said, yes. So it's got that Devon. It's got a bit of that wholesomeness to that. I love that. But it's very sweet. So let's talk, you're touring in the UK.

Not next year. This isn't, like, there's the UK run start in December. December. We're going. You've already done the US. You've already done the US leg. What date? I mean, this is obviously a national, everyone can listen to this podcast, but what's the London date, just so I know? I think it's the 10th and the 11th of the O2. Okay, amazing. Two nights.

December. Two nights. Yeah. Yeah, we love that place. I've always remembered like when you played Red Rocks and just thinking like that looks like. We did that again this summer. Is it so beautiful? We basically said, like, what are our favourite venues? That's what you can do when you're a big time, baby. Like the Gorge, Red Rocks, Hollywood Bowl. Amazing. O2 in London is up there.

Is it? We love it. Yeah, I really love that room. I think it's a really good arena. Before you go, nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere. Happy or sad. Nostalgia tastes that transport me back.

All one taste or smell. Mmm. Hmm. You're going to think I'm a one-trick pony here, but roast chicken just to express I love the smell of roast chicken very distinctive um

Louis Therusa congeal cat food oh wait yeah that's pretty vivid as well and it took him three minutes to come out with that we sat there waiting that's pretty good um what else is nostalgic wood smoke yeah

my wife and I met when we were kids at Bible camp and there were a lot of fires and then when we remet in our 20s and fell in love it was around a fire as well and the first email she wrote me was I stink of woodsmoke so woodsmoke is sweet it's like her perfume

yeah that's very romantic so I like the time of the year where you are able to start lighting fires again that's my chair so does Sam I love this one of the jump her and light a fire let's go Marcus you've been

absolutely brilliant I can't believe that food Dreamed guest. Like, really, really good food. Delicious, though. Thank you. I know you do this a lot, but like, would you say that was a good meal-wise? That was a good one?

Yeah, it was delicious. Yeah, I think that was a very good meal. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck with the talk. I'm so grateful for having me. Thank you. And just like.

Yeah. Definitely. Thank you. Thanks, babe. Well, Marcus Mumford may have the most twinkly eyes I think I've ever seen in my life. What a handsome man. What a fabulous guest. Fabulous, fabulous.

Appreciate the food. Like the food. Gave us all the answers. Information I've never heard about before. He was lovely. He's always been nice, though. Whenever I've met him, he's lovely. Down to earth, gorgeous, kind, honest, open book.

Yeah. Big fan. Lovely, lovely man. Can't wait to go and see him on time. Invited me, Jesse, personally. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Prize Fighter, Mumford and Sons' sixth record is out in February, 2026. And the new single with Hosey 8 rubber band man is out now.

It's gorgeous. I'm sure they're all sold out the tour, but... I should think so. Yeah, I'd say. But if you can go and see them, go and see them. And I will be trying that parenting technique about star jumps for Brack. The bragging thing, I'm wondering. I know which one of mine would be getting all the star jumps.

Which one, number two? Does he brag? Oh, he's a big bragger. He rakes himself, but I like that. But he deserves to brag. He's very clever. Mom will be giving him more sweets. Oh, give him pussy pigs for bragging.

That pudding was gorge, mum. Was it? It was gorgeous. I hate all of it. It was lovely. And actually, I'm going to go and have another slice. Are you a fan of quints now? To be honest, I'm not mad about the consistency of it.

It's a bit between a pair. and an apple more on the pear side. I kind of like the... But I like the toast. Me too. So, yeah, I'll eat the grapes. Yeah, it's a bit grainy, isn't it? It's a bit grainy, yeah.

But it was delicious. And with the hazeln ups, it was just... Judith Quince. Judith Isharovitz. You are the best. You are the quince queen. Thank you for listening, and we'll see you next week. See you next week.

Thank you.