Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - NYC Season - Ep 5: Tom Payne

Episode Date: February 27, 2019

This week we meet The Walking Dead’s 'Jesus', British actor Tom Payne. We chat British vs American table manners, favourite restaurants in LA, home cooking and we practised our American accents whilst serving up the perfect ‘hangover brunch’ of Kimchi fried rice aka fermented cabbage via my darling @eatwithgrace...bottoms up!! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Another day, another podcast in New York City, Mum. You've got a plaque thing on you. What have I got? What have I got on my nose? No, it's a line. Oh, it's because I've been bloody trying to do... I've been cooking all morning and I've had two seconds... Oh, fuck off. I've had two seconds to do my make-up,

so now I've got mascara on my nose. So today we have an actor called Tom Payne, Oh, fuck off. I've had two seconds to do my makeup so now I've got mascara on my nose. Yeah. So today we have an actor called Tom Paine who is actually an English actor but has become incredibly successful in America. He's been in lots of things. So many things but he's quite a new discovery for me. Yeah. But apparently he's real foodie.

Oh, great. And he plays a guy called Jesus in Walking Dead. Well, I hope he likes kimchi. How do you feel about kimchi, Mum? Don't like it. Well, my... Please tell me who would like fermented cabbage. Sam Burrows and me.

It is good for the gut. I know, darling. I don't know if the amount of oil I've used is good for the gut. However, I just want to give a massive shout out and thank you to my friend Grace Lee from New York, who I've known. She used to be in music and we stumbled across each other and remained friends. And she set up a kind of kimchi business just because she loves kimchi. She's Korean and she used to deliver it to me on set when I'd be here. And so I had to do a kimchi recipe whilst I was here. And I had to go and get Grace's, which is called Eat With Grace. She's on Instagram, so check her out.

But it's a lot of kimchi. But I said, well, what should I do with kimchi? Because I had this amazing dish in London, which was kimchi with avocado. It was kind of avocado toast with kimchi and tahini. And I'm going to make that, actually, for a guest. But she said, just do kimchi fried rice. this is feels like a real hangover breakfast so I've done kimchi fried rice with um sesame oil and then I've done what Otolenghi does what the crisped I've crisped up the shallots yeah and flour so they they're going to be sprinkled on top and we're going to put a

fried egg on the top and so it really is like the perfect also use leftovers yeah we had some leftover chicken and mashed potato and sprouts and sprouts so we thought we'd make a kind of brussels sprouts bubble and squeak and weirdly not weirdly but it's good it's kind of got all the mustard and cheese from the brussels sprouts spring onion And then Grace said kimchi fried rice can have anything. They put spam in it. But you could put tofu, you could put prawns, you could put chicken, you could put beef, you could put whatever. And so I have put a bit of chicken. So it's a funny old breakfast.

It's kind of a bit of a brunch, isn't it? It's definitely a brunch. And I hope he isn't too Hollywood and doesn't mind a bit of fried food. It's quite unlike us to do really fried food. It does smell a bit fried in the apartment. Peter, manager, walked in and said, God, it smells nice in here. That could be the granola, the Thanksgiving granola that I've made. Thanksgiving, oh, with cranberries. Cranberries and orange zest. And pecan. I may not offer that to him, though, because I feel like it may be a bit overwhelming. He'll probably be sick.

We've got so much food. I know. And the banana bread. Imagine if he doesn't eat like Ian Schrager. We'll have to get the homeless people downstairs. Yeah, absolutely. Tom Payne coming up on Table Manners New York. Tom Payne, thank you so much for being here.

Already recording? Yeah, is that okay? It's fine, yeah, absolutely. Well, we haven't got long because you need to dash off. Yeah, I'm going back to LA today. So you live in LA? Yeah, I just bought a house last December, which I'm very excited about. Nice little tour.

Where? In the hills in Hollywood. But it's very modest and just nice. We were in West Hollywood for the longest time. West Hollywood is where everyone moves when they first move there but it's very like modest and just nice we were in West Hollywood for for the longest time was where everyone moves when they first move there because it's accessible and I wasn't driving at the time but then it started to get a bit crazy and like the local drug dealer across the street knew who I was from the television show and I'm just like okay we need to get out of here now so we managed to get a lovely house in the hills which is very

peaceful which having spent these last few days in New York, I'm very much looking forward to getting back to because the noise never stops in New York. It really doesn't. It's just like sirens and people honking. Where have you been staying in New York? We've been Lower East Side. Oh, that's so exhausting. It is.

But even coming, I mean, we were up in Midtown yesterday and it's just everywhere. It's just noise, noise, noise all the time. And I was talking to someone who lived here about it and they were yeah we were talking about the noise pollution aspect of it and and how it does just kind of grind you down a little bit the restaurants are noisy the restaurants are very noisy yeah we went out last night to a fabulous place called cope which is a korean barbecue that just won a michelin star or had its michelin star given and it was so loud i I couldn't hear anybody. And that amongst like with the bankers that are like,

and you're just like, shut the fuck up. But don't you think it's nice to get away from kale and avocado and everything? My daughter lives in LA. And sugar would be great, yeah. Oh, okay. We've got a proper English person, yeah. Oh, definitely not. No, no, no.

Hannah lives in Echo Park, Silver Lake. Oh, yeah. I like Echo Park, okay. We've got a proper English person. Oh, definitely not. No, no, no. Hannah lives in Echo Park. Oh, yeah. So, but every time you go out for breakfast, everything's fucking kale. I can't bear it. It is everywhere. Does it drive you a bit mad? Well, the thing is, like, about that is if you drive out of California, or if you go to, so I've been filming out in Atlanta with this TV show.

If you drive anywhere outside the metro area, it's a kale desert, which is great for a day, but you can't find anything good. Nothing good to eat. Yeah, I know. You drive down the highway and everything is a chain fast food restaurant. Yeah, it's true. And there's no good stuff. It's Taco Bell or?

Just one is fine. No, did you want two? No. We want you to have two. No judgment here, Tom. We love No, did you want two? We love it. Do you want two? He's proper English. If it's heaped, so what? Is that heaped?

Oh, God. Do you want milk? Actually, black's fine. Okay. So you've been filming Walking Dead? Yes, for three years now. So you weren't in it at the beginning, right? No, I came in sixth season.

And it just keeps on going. Yeah No, I came in sixth season. And it just like keeps on going. Yeah, it's been a long stretch. I had come from British television mainly. I graduated 2005 from Central School

of Swedish Drama, St. John's Wood, no, Swiss Cottage and started doing British TV and, but I had an idea

that I always wanted to come to America, basically because I've just always been very ambitious and that's where you make the money and that's where you can get long-lasting success, basically. And England is quite class-based, basically. I know. And I just thought,

well, I'm just going to play white middle-class boys here. And that was very frustrating. And it's kind of the aspect of British society that I didn't really enjoy that much. And Downton abbey makes me want to shoot myself why because i because it you're stuck in because i would be one person in that story and yeah and i couldn't be another person in that story um and that's that's only that's really the only reason why is that i don't didn't want to play into those british stereotypes of the class structure in england which does exist but i it ends up just seeming very lazy to me

that that's what we always retreat to. So you film in Atlanta? Atlanta, yeah. Atlanta, Georgia? Yeah, Atlanta, Georgia. Yeah, it's great food, actually. Yeah. I have my favourite cocktail bar and food and restaurant is there,

and I love it, actually. Atlanta's a really cool place to be right now. Can you say what's your favourite restaurant? Okay. Yeah, there's a wonderful cocktail bar called Ticonderoga Club, which is in the Crog Street Market, around Inman Park, Old Forth Ward area. Apart from doing amazing cocktails, they do great food as well.

And yeah, my lady and I go there every single time. And it's also because of the service. Like, I don't care if it's an amazing cocktail bar and it's the best food I'm ever going to have. If you treat me like, you know, who are you, then I'm not going to come back know I want and places that welcome you in and want to know your name and like and everything they've got my business forever you know and it's such a simple thing yeah but so many restaurants

seemingly don't get that really but don't you find it slightly exhausting the service in especially Los Angeles sometimes there are different yeah how we do here? You know, it was funny that, because my dad, when he came over, even in Starbucks, he was just like, oh, it's nice, everyone wants to talk to you. They want a tip.

Well, that as well. It's so annoying. But in England, no one wants to talk to you. So it's kind of like a happy medium between the two is what we really want. But the other thing is that we discussed this about taking your plate away before everyone at the table is finished. really want. But the other thing is that we discussed this about taking your plate away before everyone at the table is finished.

Oh, well, that is annoying. Does it? But it's American that's rude if you leave your plate. Exactly. It's so weird. Americans, that's polite

to do that. I know. And also, my first job in America, I played a jockey and I was at the racetrack with my accent coach, actually, and I was saying,

oh, I think I've noticed something about people at the racetrack and she's like oh what's that and say well they cut their food up and then they swapped their fork to their right hand and she just went that's just what Americans do it's like what I'm like and but that's what they get taught is that's what you should do cut it all up and then and then and then a baby, isn't it? I know. But I can't really hold it against them because that's what they're taught. Where were you brought up? Well, from the age of 11 in Bath.

Lovely. You've got a beautiful accent. Thank you very much. Really beautiful. It's actually funny because in America, my accent is between the two because I hate being misunderstood and I hate being asked where I come from every five seconds by Americans because then you then you go well it's bath well it's beautiful it's hot and I just I'm just sick of this conversation so I actually use my American accent a lot this is probably the most British that you will hear me in America because I'm talking to two British

people give me like water water can I have some water oh water every time you can't they don't actually understand if you say water yeah no they don't know what you're talking about. Say it again. Water. It's so weird. My mum also gets incredibly annoyed at people thinking she's Australian. Oh, I get it all the fucking time. Why?

It's so offensive. Why do they think that? They just can't tell. Yeah, they go, what's that accent? And I go, I'm from London. They go, for a second I thought you were from Australia. Shut're from us shut up jesse that's because you don't speak properly no it's americans can't tell the difference oh they can they always say we love your british accent it depends how posh you are you have to be prince harry yeah um so you started working

basically straight out of drama school yeah I mean pretty much on the face of it I went to yeah I did this play well actually I did an episode of Casualty as everyone has to do Mum's the only person

who still watches I watched 25 years of Casualty I think it's 50 years my episode of Casualty was like carry on Casualty tell me which one isn't it all a bit like that

well this one was especially like that I got pushed in in a shopping cart by my uni mates and I had a coffee tin full of plaster of Paris over my privates because my character had an especially large appendage that they thought it would be fun if they made a cast of.

So my whole episode is me with this huge coffee tin over me and there's a scene where the nurse cuts it off, cuts it in half and it falls apart and I just look at her and go like... So, I mean, it was just kind of hilarious. Completely ridiculous. And just very fun. It's better than having a small willy, though, isn't it?

Well, yeah. I mean, it was very, very funny. And then I did a play. Who was the main scent? Was Charlie there still? Oh, Charlie was there. Yeah. Actually, and funnily enough...

Charlie never dies. No, Charlie's there still? Oh, Charlie was there. Yeah. Actually, and funnily enough. Charlie never dies. No, Charlie's there forever. He's there forever. My mum is a makeup artist, and she worked on Casualty for a long time. Really? Yeah, when it was in Bristol. I think it's in Wales now. I think they moved it to Wales.

Well, everything goes to Cardiff at the moment. Yeah, I think they moved everything over there. Yeah, it used to be in Bristol. Frenchie. Frenchie. Yeah, Frenchie. Mum, one of mum's, we saw that you'd been in Waterloo Road. Oh, yeah.

That was my first big TV, really. She loved it. I like either hospital, anything to do with medical dramas, or things like that. Schools. Crime. Yeah.

Wow. And kind of disadvantaged children. Yeah, it's my favourite thing. Did you play a disadvantaged child? Well, they're all disadvantaged in Waterloo Road. No, I played the opposite. I was the posh kid. opposite I was the posh kid my dad took over the school uh and I was the posh the arrogant posh kid that came in and um yeah it was fun that was but that was a weird experience for me because so I had classically trained and I had just been in the west end

and I was 23 playing 18 and everyone else was 18 or 15 or 16. So it was kind of a weird dynamic for me because I was closer in age to the people playing the teachers than the people playing the kids. And I was staying in, they were all living at home and I was staying in an apartment with all the other actors who were the teachers. So it was kind of a strange, strange dynamic,

but it was very fun. And my, I mean, my agent at the time was like, we just need to get you camera experience. So that's great. And when it was very fun and my agent at the time was like we just need to get you camera experience so that's great and it was great and then in between those two seasons that I did of that show I did a movie called Miss Pettigrew Lives for a Day which was with Amy Adams and Frances McDormand and Kieran Hines and Shelley all these wonderful actors and we did that at Ealing Studios which is

also wonderful but then because I was always like pushing, pushing, pushing, I flew myself out to New York for the premiere of that. And I flew myself to LA to take meetings. And it just, because I knew that there was opportunity over here. You're very driven. Yeah, very driven. But I always kind of knew that it was, this sounds so odd,

and this is part of my personality that I can get away with in America, which has lessened a lot than it used to be. But the ambition and confidence that I had didn't go down very well in England. Yeah, you've got to. It just doesn't. You know, it's this tall poppy thing. I think you're showing off a bit. Yeah, absolutely.

You're not modest. No. So your lady. Yes. How long have you been together? Five years. So she moved over here with you? So she's Swedish.

And we met in LA at a Mark Jacobs party. Oh darling. Wow. Which you know through a mutual friend of ours I was actually on the tail end of a breakup. I've been a year out of a relationship and it was me like I've got to go out and do stuff. Shag about.

Well I just kind of. Jessica! Get out. That is so rude. Meet some girls. I'm actually really bad at that okay i'm really bad at that and whenever i've had that kind of period of my life i'm like what the fuck am i doing this is like i don't i don't get this at all um and so yeah it was it was a pretty much an instant thing but at the same time i was drinking a lot more at that point and not and i was coming out of this whole thing and um she we were like hanging out for a while and then she was like, I can't, you know, you need to figure things out.

And so she dumped me for a couple of months and I figured things out. Do you drink, still drink? Not as much, but I really, that's definitely another side of British culture that doesn't segue that well over here. And, you know, the first thing i realized when i first moved over here you know when the sun shines in london you look for a beer garden and then the sun shines

here every single day in in la anyway and i realized like oh i'm looking for i'm looking for a place to go and drink but you realize that every single social um thing that happens in england is with a drink in your hand like you meet people at the pub whereas here you meet people with a coffee and there's nothing wrong with it it's just it's a very normalized and I still you know I still have a drink but it's a very normalized part of British culture and my girlfriend was like wow you drink so much but then she came back to England and we met up with all my schoolmates who were married with kids and brought their kids and we went on a pub crawl basically and at the end of the week because every every time i was introducing her to all of my old friends and every day we were at a pub at the end of the week she vomited

for like she like because her body just couldn't do it you know so how much we're just conditioned not so much like would you like but if you have more than two glasses here they think you need to go oh yeah no what i do yeah no i can't afford it two glasses's so expensive. It is expensive and the pours aren't as good. No! Last night. Mum begged for an extra pour last night. Peter asked for my behalf. I mean, you get that much for $18. Yeah. But you get more with, well, you're talking about liquor? No, no.

With wine. With wine, yeah. Because the spirit pours are generally quite good. But the wine pours are not. I don't like spirits. I only like wine. Or Cosmos. That's the only thing I drink.

But the wine pours in that. I don't like spirits. I only like wine or Cosmos. That's the only thing I drink. Just a few foodie things because I hear you're a foodie. I am now because I could afford to be one. I wasn't before. I never spent money on food.

I just never did food and drinks because it was, you know, in that logic when you're younger, you're just like, well, you know, I can't. Or I'd just rather go to the pub more. i never went out and bought this so do you i mean do you cook even though you're in la i do um we do the blue apron thing have you done that no so blue apron is they deliver you um a box and it's three meals a week oh yeah but it's like all the ingredients like you do everything yeah you prepare it and it's three meals a week. Oh yeah. But it's like all the ingredients, like you do everything. You prepare it. And it's actually brilliant for introducing you to different foods and techniques and tastes. And it's really great.

So we do that every week, which just keeps, you know, it takes a bit more time, but it's really worth it. And it's always great. They're really, really good. So when you're not doing Blue Apron,

where are some of your favourite spots in LA? Well, so LA can be a little bit too... Look at me, I'm going to a fancy restaurant. So some of those restaurants, I'm like, we don't really do it. Have you been to Little Dom's? Yes, been to Little Dom's, yes. I love their Monday night deal.

Yes. You know Jones on Santa Monica Boulevard. Their late night deal is really good. Oh, really? They do. I mean, it's like pizza, but their pizza is really good. That's where you lost your ring. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, anyway. That's a really cool spot. Jones and Daughter. Jones on Third. Is it Jones and Daughter? No, not Jones on Third. Okay, fine. Oh, I don't know Jones.

Jones on Third is a lady's name, Jones. Jones on Santa Monica is J-O-N-E-S. Oh, I don't know Jones. Jones on 3rd is a lady's name, Jones. Jones on Santa Monica is J-O-N-E-S. Oh, I don't know this one. Santa Monica Boulevard. It's like right in the middle of like Hollywood area. Okay. Should go to Shutters for cocktails. No, see, you know, Santa Monica is the other end of the world.

It's like going south of the river in London. What's the, what's the Boldy place that we went to? Giorgio Boldy. Yeah. Oh no, I don't know that one. Oh, wow. Mate, but that, I mean. That's fancy, but's it in Baldy place that we went to? Georgia Baldy. Oh no, I don't know that. Oh, wow. Mate, but that, I mean. That's fancy, but if you like a bit of truffle, go there for the truffle.

Go for a really good date night. It's a pasta truffle, but except it's really crammed in and everyone's famous that go there. The other thing about LA, and I learnt this when I first moved there and I've lived there a long time now, but it's, you have to be told about places

because there's no chance of you like walking down the high street and seeing somewhere or going to because no one walks so you have to drive and park somewhere

and you have to know where that place is to be able to do that so you have to be told Laurel and Sons Laurel Hardware yes I love that

so that's near the Jones place yeah Laurel Hardware's nice is your mum a good cook? mum was a working mum. Okay. So I grew up with, what do we call them? Slow cookers.

So she would put something in the slow cooker at the beginning of the day and go to work and then we would have that. So I grew up, and lasagnas, like stuff that you could easily cook. It was me and my brother and my dad and stuff that she could just throw in and have done so yeah like my my um memories are uh you know chicken with a packet mix in the crock pot um but also yeah lasagna and and shepherd's pie and all these things that you could um put together and actually nowadays my dad does most of the cooking at home does he who's the better cook i can't say that will they listen to this well they're both no they probably won't

well actually they might they will my mum will if I tell her about it I honestly they're both very different cooks we always used to do

pizza night with my dad growing up as well which is a really fun thing to do with kids and I'm definitely going to do that I think

because that's a fun thing because you make your own I need to do that I've been like the lazy pizza night is putting on a tortilla yeah and then she can yeah but I haven't she's not bothered about making it yet because you make your own. I need to do that. I've been like, the lazy pizza knight is putting on a tortilla. Yeah, yeah.

And then she can, yeah, but I haven't, she's not bothered about making it yet, but I have a little girl, so yeah. But, you know what?

You've just made me think I need to get a slow cooker for Christmas. I've got one. Because I am a, I guess I'm a working mum, I'm fucking never with her, but like,

because I take so much time in the morning like chopping shit and you can just bung everything in it's great actually I mean what's taste slow cooked food

is the best food for taste yeah if you can put it on low and just leave it for 8 hours it's great I just bought my first pressure cooker oh they're wonderful

and I'm a little bit scared I haven't used it yet no they are wonderful yeah you won't use it all the time no but it's worth it for soups

yeah and chilli and stuff but then why wouldn't you've got the slow cooker tell me the difference between a pressure cooker and a slow But it's worth it for soups Yeah and chilli and stuff But then why wouldn't you You've got the slow cooker Tell me the difference Between a pressure cooker And a slow cooker It's just faster 10 minutes

Oh it's faster Oh it makes a chilli Much faster yeah It pressurises Why have we never done this For table manners then mum Oh I do one for table manners And you always complain

I haven't got time to cook Because the taste Is slightly different And the colour isn't Like if I make chicken soup Because... Like, if I make chicken soup, because we're Jewish and I make chicken soup, it's best to boil it for a long time. I've done it in a pressure cooker.

And the colour just doesn't... It's not the same. There's a bolognese recipe that I love. Come on then. But Jennifer's just like, I can't... Because she likes to eat stuff like... If she's hungry, she wants to eat. And I'm like, I'm just going to make this

and it'll take me like an hour or two I love like laboring over it like and just having something on and I love it when things what's her name Marcella Hazan

yeah Marcella Hazan she does this bolognese which is which uses white wine and milk and it's brilliant but it's like it's also what

Jennifer's used to like and actually growing up in England then bolognese was like you could see the meat but you cook this for like at least five hours and it cooks down and it's it's much more i mean it's a traditional bolognese really and i can't wait to i'm going to make more stuff with it but you could do that in the pressure cooker yeah exactly you could do that in the pressure but you have to cook the wine off and cook the milk off yeah so that doesn't quite work in the pressure cooker. But you have to cook the wine off and cook the milk off. Yeah.

So that doesn't quite work in the pressure cooker. You could. As soon as you bring it to the boil, it will burst your bubble, mum. I remember when you used to do your spag bol in the pressure cooker and it wasn't very good. I don't think you ever remember that at all. I do remember that. With that little... Yeah, the whistle thing in the pressure cooker. It definitely was your spag bol.

I don't think I have ever done it in the pressure cooker. You're a great cook. That's why I brought you into this gig. But your spag bol was not cut in the mustard. But to be fair, and now I've actually just fucking set myself up for a fall. To talk about the food that we're going to have. Yes.

It's a bit of a mishmash. Jessie's cooked. It's kind of for a hunger. I love how she's passing the buck. But it's a bit of a mishmash. Okay. Jessie's cooked. It's kind of for a hungover. I love how she's passing the buck. But it's a bit of a mishmash because I'm greedy, so I can never commit to just one thing. So you've got four different things to choose from if you want. Okay.

So because I was a bit scared, basically my friend here, she used to work in the music industry, but now she works for YouTube, I think. But she is a kimchi queen now some people hate kimchi my mum you hate it too don't you i don't hate it this is fine because i have another did you hear the tone and no i don't know he just went i don't hate it you know but you know it's fine i will try anything you know what i've never made it before so i won't be offended you've got to try it like i would never not try something it's it's kimchi fried rice okay so okay so it's it's it's easy

i'm gonna put a fried egg on the top with some crispy shallots i'm gonna heat it up now alternatively and i will not be offended tom we've done some um kind of potato cakes that have got brussels sprouts and and and like a spring onion it's a rusty yeah and that's gonna have a fried egg on top too. My brother, I told him to turn the bloody spinach off. He didn't. And so now it looks miserable. So we've got some rocket or arugula as they call it.

So you've got that option if you want. Or you've got granola. Wait, I have to choose? No, you can have everything. You can have everything. I'm just going to put everything on. And we do have banana bread as well That Alex made

Mum ask some hard hitting food questions So just tell me While Jesse's cooking You've told us what you were eating when you were growing up Yes If you were to have to choose your very last meal Before you went to film The

Is it The Walking Dead? Yeah. Walking Dead. Not Waking Dead. The British TV show. The Walking Dead. Yeah. And you were going to be away for a year

and they didn't have proper catering. Oh, interesting. Something from England. No, what would you have as your last supper? She's trying to say what is your last supper without saying that you're going to die. So you're like... Oh, right, right, right, right.

Well, what's your favourite food, really? Your favourite, favourite meal? Well, I think the best of anything is your favourite meal, really. So, like, if you were in northern Italy having a pizza, you know, with the best ingredients from there, then it would be that. Or if you were in Argentina having a steak, I mean, I think it's that, really.

What's your favourite? Well well I don't really have one is the real answer I'm going to force you into this one and you're saying Tom you can have your last meal alright well I think actually it's funny because I'm stealing this from my brother a bit but I think British Christmas lunch

like turkey and stuffing and all that stuff with the with the gravy i think i mean the british roast is like a big you know if you do that really really well um then that's great and and i think yeah christmas if you if you get it right i think is a great one roasts are my favorite yeah i think roast beef roast beef very rare beautiful y Yorkshire pudding. Fantastic crispy roast potatoes. Red cabbage. Do you like red cabbage? Yeah, love it. I think that's the...

In England, you judge a place by its roast. Yeah, I think so. And what would you have for dessert? Christmas pud? Interesting. Not necessarily Christmas pud. You didn't do a starter either, did you? No. Oh, you can have a starter.

Ceviche. Really? Love ceviche. It wouldn't go with the Christmas lunch, but I do love ceviche. Doesn't matter. You can have it quite early on. Yeah. A really nice ceviche. Butter, dessert. I think a really good gelato. Gelato or a good chocolate mousse. What flavour gelato? Well, I think if you're going to have dessert, then it should... Well, actually, if it's really good quality, then a really nice vanilla. Just pretty simple.

Yeah, and with a coffee. What's your favourite cocktail? Well, that goes through different... Actually, right now I'm quite partial to Manhattan. Oh, I love Manhattan. Or a variation on a Manhattan. And an old-fashioned and i've just discovered rusty nail which is actually quite good which is um scotch and drambuie it's like

really basic but it's nice like those hard liquor ones which are which you can sip on and are really nice um but my but jennifer uh and her family actually have introduced me to fernabranca oh we've got some here if you want i do you know what it's miracle juice for your stomach your belly it's amazing and so i've really got a taste for that now um and i like it but it it's also just very good after a dinner um for settling your stomach i'm really sorry because i think this kimchi with five rice can be a bit shit but it's a good thing we've got three other options. Do you have good table manners?

Yes, I like to think so. My dad was a big stickler for that and no elbows on the table. Yeah. And no resting your arms on the table. But, you know, nowadays, so I'm 35 now, nowadays if it's just me and Jennifer, then they kind of all go out the window a little bit. But if there's kids around or when we have kids and stuff,

I'll definitely be instilling some table manners because it's just, it's part of, I don't know, being a civilized human being, I think. What's the worst table manner that you see in other people? Do you think table manners are different in america well yeah what we were talking about and jennifer and i talk about it as well is the taking the plate away yeah and we were we were both taught you have your knife and fork apart from each other when you're still eating and when you're done you put them together yeah

but they don't hear they don't and they're just like if you if and even if there's food left on your plate they'll try and take it from you. And it's infuriating. And Jennifer would be like, my knife and fork aren't together. Why are you trying to take my plate? But those social norms don't exist here. I know, it's so hard.

So that, they're trying to take your plate away before you're done, before you're even finished, is a big one. Yeah, because we were just savouring the last bit of Wagyu in the curry. Exactly.

And it was just there. We were just waiting. Yes, because we were just savouring the last bit of Wagyu in the Caribbean. Exactly. And he thought, and it was just there, we were just waiting. Yes, and you also feel that anxiety if someone is still eating. And then I don't want that person to be the last person eating their food and everyone's plates have been taken away. But then Zachary Quinto said he found it disgusting

if there was a dirty plate in front of him and he'd finished. That's so interesting. But that's the American way, that's what you're brought up with. They need to go on a plate, don't they? plât ymlaen ag ef ac fe wnaeth ei ddiwedd. Mae'n ddiddorol iawn ond dyna'r ffordd yr ddaeaf yn yr America, dyna'r hyn rydych chi'n cael ei gyflwyno. Maen nhw angen mynd ar plât, onid maen nhw? Mae'n ddigon o bach, mae'n llwyr. Dwi ddim yn iawn, dwi'n meddwl bod y gwaith ymgysylltu yn fwy o sgwrs.

Beth yw eich rheswm bwysig i feddwl amdano? Mae'n ddiddorol iawn, mae'n ddiddorol iawn. Jess, gadewch i mi wneud hyn. Rhaid i chi wneud hyn nawr oherwydd... Mae'n colli'r clod. Mae'n colli'r clod. Dwi ddim yn gallu gwneud unrhyw beth arall. The kimchi's amazing. Jessie, let me do these. You just do it now because... She's lost the plot. I've lost the plot. I don't know what I'm doing anymore. I just think it's going to be a bit underwhelming.

I feel like maybe that's why I've got all the toppings. You can just put a bit of extra on. Right, right. You can disguise it. Got it. Exactly. But, I mean, look, I will not be offended. Oh, I'm hungry.

You've got lots to choose from. What else is in the banana bread? Chocolate. Dark chocolate. We've got fried egg. Mum, you've just sat down and you're not helping me now. I don't know what you want me to do. I want you to just help serve, because you sound like a dinner lady. Put those back on there. Do you want some of this kimchi?

I'll try a little bit. Definitely, definitely. Look, so it's like... It is supposed to be like hangover TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mae'n debyg. Mae'n debyg. Mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Mae'n debyg. Mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n debyg. Felly mae'n de's sunny side up then the white won't be set. Oh, right. Okay, fine. Help yourself to potato cake. It's amazing. It is what it is. Now, please have some crispy shallots on the top, and some spring onions, and there was supposed to be fucking spinach, but that went to shit. So there's

some avocado there. It's really like, get stuck in, help yourself. Lovely. Lovely, lovely. But garnish, garnish, garnish. This is great. So garnish, garnish, garnish. This is great, so this is chicken, right? Yeah, it is a bit of chicken because they basically, it's okay, it's fine. Crispy shallots are good on it. It is, she basically says that it's something that,

cause I said I really wanted to do this avocado toast with and she was like, do, kimchi fried rice, it's like a staple and blah blah blah and mum hates kimchi I'm not sure but you can't taste it it just gives that extra flavour to it yeah it just gives a little bit of a punch

last night it was very yeah when you have it just in a bowl on its own that's a whole different thing what do you miss food wise about um england do you have any home comforts that you bring here do you love marmite yeah marmite is a bone of contention in our house because jennifer hates it she calls it she's not been bought no she calls it thick soy sauce which it kind of is no um but but then she likes other stuff. You know, she likes, in Sweden, they have salt licorice.

Yeah. And you're not into that. Heavily salted licorice. Yeah. It's way too much for me. But she loves that. They don't have that fudgy cheese, do they? That's Norway.

No, no, no, no. Different. But yeah, marma is a thing. But marma is so expensive. It's like, I buy a small pot here for $8, which is expensive. Babe, we could have given it to you today. That could have been added to the fucking five other things. Will you tell us what you're up to apart from The Walking Dead?

So the last time you saw my character on The Walking Dead, I was dead. Aren't you all dead? No, no. Oh, okay. So I've been stabbed by this new threat that exists in the show. So has that already come out then? By the time this comes out, yeah. Yeah, fine.

And so right now I'm in an interesting spot of what's the next thing? By the time this comes out, it might be something else. There's a lot of roles out there which are exciting. There's this undercover FBI agent that I'm about to go for an audition for which this is stuff like you would never you know staying in England I would never play characters that are so removed from myself with the boost that the show has given me hopefully I'll be able to um move on to bigger and better things the job is really interesting because like so someone like me and ben barnes have been like going up for the same roles for over 10 years now right um and ben always had

like a has just a slightly higher profile than me and at the end of the day that's what it comes down to and and i'm interested to see um when the walking dead ends for me how it has helped me uh as far as just behind the scenes oh we should get him because the numbers work better in Japan than this other person or whatever like because ultimately that's what it comes down to and it's I had a not a breakdown but I had a kind of a definite um lull in confidence um before I booked Walking Dead like three and a half years ago I had done a movie called The Physician um with Stellan Skarsgård and Ben Kingsley. And after that came out, I thought, oh, this is going to be the job.

Is that the one that he lost all the weight for? No. Okay. It was a German-funded movie because the book was huge in Germany. And it did really, really well in Germany. It was a huge movie in Germany and Spain and a few other places,

but didn't do much here or in England. And it didn't do anything for me. And I fell into a kind of shit well if that's not the thing then what is the thing and I went um Jennifer and I went to Stellan's uh he's kind of like a good acting mentor for me and we went to his like summer house in Sweden and he reminded me because I had gotten so caught up with trying to do what they wanted like I was just kind of desperate like I go up with these same people all the time and like okay Maybe they want this maybe they want that and he reminded me that you just have to do you and trust that it will get there

And then the next two jobs that I auditioned for I tested on the first one and then I got walking dead and it's just a matter of waiting for the right thing, so now and It's back to unemployment, but at the same time um it's back to unemployment but at the same time it's back to what is going to be the next thing and i know that i right now i'm concentrated on one job which i'm going in for tomorrow so you've finished week so you're walking down but it hasn't aired yet no okay but so you can cut your hair i can yeah but you can't at the moment because that would give it away yeah but also you know there aren't that many male actors with long hair like this and on amazon are casting young aragon right now and they're doing interview with a vampire on hulu there's all these cool jobs so i'm like okay well

this is the one thing that i have i can shave this because this takes a couple months to grow back but but this i'm gonna hang on to unless it's an amazing amazing role or something. But so that's you and The Walking Dead. God. Never say never. On screen, yeah. They're doing this, they're making the universe bigger and there's all these other stories and everything going along with it. But as far as I go with it, I think it might be the end.

But I'm kind of happy with that. The Walking Dead is this crazy behemoth like and i and i literally get recognized in paris and london and tokyo and sydney australia and like just it's been such a strange and you're walking down manhattan people are shouting jesus at me is it quite over is it is it quite overwhelming it's just it's something because it happened it segued quite nicely for me um and also I'm surrounded by other people who understand what that's about as well. And,

and, and I'm used to it now. Um, but for Jennifer, you know, and for me, but I'm, I just expect it all the time now,

but she's always still surprised that like, wait, that person. And it's always different ages, shapes, sizes, religion, colors,

like everyone from all different walks of life. It's so popular. Watch this show. So it's, that's been very, uh, interesting, um, to everyone from all different walks of life. It's so popular. Watch this show. So that's been very interesting to contend with. And hopefully then that will help me. But the changing the look thing is going to be interesting as well because I'm so recognizable now. So I think that's the next job. But that's good in a way.

It is, but I'm very aware. Like, I don't want to look the same in the next thing. No, that's good. But you also need to be recognizable enough i think you know you want to carry some of the audience with you yeah well got those gorgeous eyes yeah we'll see so um no so now it's exciting it must be quite liberating you know i think well i don't know is it kind of scary too because that has been your kind of most recognizable role yeah it's scary and you know and it's it's just basic thing if i hadn't been

good at stashing money as well that would have been the main thing before i got the walking dead i was 20 grand in debt my visa was running out and i had a tax bill i couldn't pay and i was like shit i'm gonna have to move back in with my parents i was like 32 i was like fuck i'm gonna have to do that and then the walking dead came along and now and i honestly in a very vulgar way i just didn't want to be poor again so I have like worked my ass off on the show and done been doing all these conventions and stuff to meet people just so that I can have that safety blanket um and I and I think I'm in a good position now so that's good Tom Payne thank you so much for coming over taking a chance on us of course it's really

nice to have a Brit yeah I know I've enjoyed it because it's been nice talking to Brit talk English yeah I feel like if you need we could give you our Marmite pot that's kind of half empty

just because I don't want you spending eight dollars I just bought one it's fine I have one we'll have a case on the plane yeah I will I'll put it in my luggage

but you are welcome to it if you need little fix I'm okay I have some at home but thank you and good luck it's a big year for you because who knows what's about to happen but it's such a pleasure to meet you. Nice to meet you too, thank you so much.

Well mum. What darling, we've just met Jesus. The walking dead, literally. You ate all your kimchi? Yeah, I wanted to show Willing, darling, because I didn't think he was going to eat it. I didn't want to boss, but I wanted him to have the shallots on the top because they were delicious. He did? I don't think he did.

He did, but then he didn't eat his kimchi. He probably just ate the shallot. But you ate it. My manager ate it. Alice ate it. And Alex ate it. It didn't taste quite as bad as last night. Mum!

The fermented. Bloody good. Darling, fermented cabbage is not the thing for me. Well, it's good for your gut. My guts are fine. Thank you so much, Grace. Eat with Grace for making me a jar i hugely appreciated it as did my mother tom pain lovely englishman in new york big smile

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