Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S11 Ep 19: St Vincent

Episode Date: May 19, 2021

We welcome the phenomenal St Vincent to Table Manners. Talking to Annie in her LA studio over zoom, we chat about going blonde, growing up in Dallas with her family and eating - by her own admission - some questionable canned food and meat. Mum manages to coax her into agreeing that nobody really likes kale and we hear about her step dad's 'Schloop', working in a Mexican restaurant and being a gal who doesn't like her salad dressed.Annie ain't a cook and pulled in the help of Taylor Swift to teach her some culinary skills and she may be the most rock n' roll guest we've had, saying she would have a martini as her main for her last supper. I'm still seething that she didn't make the pop vocal choir at school and if you need any DIY tips, she's just done her mum's place up during lockdown all whilst making a cracking new record, Daddy's Home!Have a listen. Annie we love you X Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and this is pretty highbrow mum. The person that we've got today is fantastic. One of the greatest musicians out there. We have St Vincent, also known as Annie Clark. She's got a new record out called Daddy's Home. She's wearing a blonde wig at the moment, a little bob which is suiting her and her performance on snl was wicked and mum she was on snl with your fave who daniel dan levy oh she got a new fave daniel now lovey no after award winning daniel kaluya my daniel my daniel well yeah when he wins i feel. I felt proud of him last night, too. He's so handsome. He is very handsome.

Wow, he knocks your socks off when you see him. I think he is one of those people that everyone would like to marry. Yeah. Anyway, congratulations, Daniel. So, we've got Annie Clark zooming in from, I presume, Los Angeles. That's where all the stars are, isn't it? Basically, we've got a mutual friend called Abigail, who listens to this podcast religiously and lives, Los Angeles. That's where all the stars are, isn't it? Basically, we've got a mutual friend called Abigail who listens to this podcast religiously

and lives in Los Angeles and also stars Annie. And so it was really funny because I text her saying, we've got St Vincent on. Just give me the lowdown, like, are we going to get on? Because actually, I'm really excited about meeting Annie Clark. I've heard such great things about her from so many different people from all different kind of walks of life. And Abby was like, you're going to love her.

You're going to fall in love with her. And I spoke to somebody else today who said I actually fell in love with her. So apparently mum by tomorrow will be in love with St. Vincent. And apparently she just had a message from St. Vincent's management being like like so Jessie Ware what's she like so I feel like this is a bit of a blind date but I'm ready to fall in love Annie hi hi thank you for doing this thank you for doing a whole right setup um on the old laptops it's a pain in the arse but we've got you. Where are you and how are you?

I'm in my studio in Los Angeles and I'm good. I think I'm pretty good. It's the morning there, right? It is the morning and things are like kind of like sort of life is happening again a little bit. Yeah. it yeah like I'm pretty busy again which is has not been the case for as we well know I mean we don't have to go through the rigmarole but you know there's been nothing going on for a year whereabouts are you in LA I'm in Laurel Canyon I feel like that like that suits you I don't know you yet but what I know of you I feel like you and Joni Mitchell deserve to be just there kind of playing guitar riffs and singing over the hills and is that what it's like or am I imagining this yeah Joni's actually

Joni's in the live room now just smoking just chain smoking cigarillos I want to know if on a you just because what I know about Laurel Canyon is one restaurant. Pache. It's called Pache. Okay, yes. Yeah. Is that your local and do you love it? Or is it kind of me just being enthralled by it and enchanted because it looks like it's kind of from the 70s and lava lamps.

And Jennifer went with Brad there. Yeah. We're at PPUS. Okay. But do you like it? I do. I love pache it's it's been a minute since i've actually sat in the restaurant as it were but it's yeah i've had like really amazing dinners there and like there is always somebody there it's from the entertainment industry but i mean that's just la isn't it right i mean i feel like on the on the west side yes

because I'm like on the west side where it's this interesting thing where east side of LA is like skews a little younger like it's a little bit more not younger necessarily but you know LA like a little bit it's like that's the I don't know what Hoxton or something east side is and I'm in like I'm in a place where probably people's reference point is like slightly more Kardashian than like me so I could I am on the west side I never get like recognized or it's never it's never a thing I don't know why I just offered that up no that's not your question no but it's interesting because I think that you know you are huge you are I mean look like but she's got disguises Jessie those wings are people allowed to know it's a wig I don't know you know what it I think people know it's

a wig like it's it's kind of intended like part of the design of it is that like, oh, it's a wig and it's like sort of put on well, but it's there's like little bits of dark still showing through as if I put it on myself in a haste. So, yeah, I do currently have dark hair underneath that blonde wig. Do you dye your hair? well see that's the thing I wanted to um I wanted to be blonde for this because it's kind of hard for me to look anything but a little severe unless if I have um dark hair do you know what I mean oh I don't think so you're gorgeous oh thanks thank you I thank you but beautiful but see there's a seriousness to dark hair that I just didn't want on this go round yeah I think that's that's it I'm so jealous that you've been able to go blonde like you know that's fun it's like you know because I've I mean I've got dark hair you know you could go blonde I'd have to do the wig because this hair would

you couldn't I just feel like everyone should go blonde at some point in their life and I feel quite jealous um and impressed that you have done that and quite cleverly you haven't ruined your hair in the process well see that's the thing I did ruin my hair the last time I went blonde which was you know what seven years ago or something so I was like I started off this album campaign uh like all blonde and like futuristic and then um halfway through it broke off and I got the worst haircut known to man like I got some kind of horrible mullet that I was rocking for the for the rest of the tour so anyway when I wanted to dye my hair again this time I was like I don't know if my hair can withstand it so I might as well just do do a wig until my hair can handle it so Annie I want to know about growing up

where did you grow up and who was around the dinner table and what were you eating? Oh God, this is a really good question. I grew up in Dallas and around the dinner table would have been my mom and my stepdad and my two older sisters. And we would have been eating just like depression era ration food. Like I don't know what we ate but it was like everything was from a can why you've got all that meat there all those wasn't it a lot of barbecue yeah oh yes sorry yes it was either large sums of meat from a barbecue or it was and the sides were weird things from cans i don't know why we really ate like we were on a crazy budge did you like the food or was it that your mom couldn't what your stepdad like because i haven't you got a text like you've got a restaurant in the family well yes but that's my sister's husband so this is if you're if you're asking what we ate growing up yeah i would say i would say with lots of love and appreciation to my mother and my stepfather

who always kept us fed you know we ate garbage i mean absolutely just garbage i remember going we would we went to sam's club one time which is a place like costco where you like can buy things in bulk. And I remember we, it was very exciting. We got to get two things of like 24, a 24 packet of like crunch bars and Snickers bars. Yeah. Yeah. I know there's the British equivalent, but I think we plowed through both of those in like two days. Oh, wow. Like we, I'm just, just we ate garbage i have no idea how we survived so moving on to this because i've heard you've been you you did a stint as a waitress in your sister's husband's restaurant was it a mexican restaurant was it tex-mex it's tacos so it's like chef inspired tacos and he's like a chef who worked with sean George and worked at all these like really amazing Thomas Keller, like really prestigious chefs around the US.

And he opened up his own taqueria in where I'm from in Dallas. Yeah. So it's like chef inspired tacos and that kind of stuff. What's your favorite filling for a taco? Favourite filling for a taco? He makes a really, I don't eat tons of meat, but he makes a really great cauliflower kale taco. I know that sounds a little, oh, don't get my mum started on kale.

He'd have to be very inventive and clever. She thinks kale is very, very bad. And she had this very strong conversation with Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber about how much they hated kale so maybe we need to try this cauliflower taco with kale to change your mind okay but I think they get better kale in the states it's younger ours is hard work ours is like what you'd give animals yeah I actually think I don't know where I think it was a podcast I was listening to, but it was something about like, basically, kale is the result of this big marketing campaign. It's been like years of trying to slowly but surely introduce kale into like the larger palette. And now people are all about kale.

But I'm with you that no one really enjoys kale. You get kale because you're like, I'm doing something healthy for myself. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Unless it's kale chips. No, that's still a healthy version of a crisp.

Is it? Let's be honest. I actually had kale today in my rainbow. So what are you talking about? But it was like soft like spinach. They'd massaged it. Oh, it would need a Brazilian, I'm telling you, to really be enjoyable. So, Annie, are you a good cook?

Oh, God, no. No. No. You said it so poetically. I kind of forgive you. No. No, I'm not. Growing up, and I realize how strange this is now.

Or maybe it's not that strange, but you tell me. My stepdad grew up in an army family that was really poor. And so he was always like, well, what are we going to make? He'd say stuff like spinach is on the push bill, which means this has gone bad or is about to go bad. Therefore, we need to eat it so we would just put everything in like a crock pot and he called it sloop and so we would it was very it was very like willy wonka sort of like stir in the laundry and eat it kind of thing and do you have fond memories of that no no sloop doesn't sound that is that what you it's annie's it's annie's meal like to give to

if you're going to impress somebody you're going to be like hey come over to mine for a bit why shloop the word i don't know everything about it is i mean what's their hearts so it's half soup and half i like it it's got i like i like it i am I can imagine what it is it's a stew it's a soup it's a sh it's a shloop it's it's yeah basically anything in the fridge that was about to go bad all gets put into one pot so to get I'm saying that not to throw him under the bus because again god bless they kept shelter and food you know on the table but no I never learned to cook because I didn't grow up with people who could cook and so my version if left to my own devices like I will forage and eat like a like a squirrel like oh there's some nuts and some berries like I don't know how to I can

barely take care of myself in that regard but I feel like well the thing is you have like you're a multi-instrumentalist right yeah like a bunch of stuff yeah songwriter producer the most incredible guitar like you do everything so I'll give it to you that you can't cook because I feel like all your your focus was in maybe into making great music that is seminal excellent music so I'll forgive you Annie bless you if you were gonna invite somebody around would you just order in oh god yes it would be no treat it would be no treat like come on over i'll i here's the story so around i think it was probably 2015 um taylor swift who you might know oh yeah just a bit she invited me over to teach me how to like

cook a steak and asparagus and cauliflower something like that like a here's a meal that you can make and i don't it's it's very sweet of her to have done that um and i don't remember exactly why she, you know, I don't remember if she experienced that I couldn't cook and thought I'm going to help this girl. I'm not really sure how it came about, but she brought me over and she like taught me how to do the thing. So I thought, so flash forward a couple months later, I'm at my Laurel Canyon studio. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to have a couple friends over make this meal that taylor showed me how to make and my friends still mock me for it to this day because it was an i serve them basically raw crusty cauliflower and um hockey puck steaks and i mean they're and these are people who one know how

they're in the hospitality industry they know how to cook they know how to eat they know how to like you know just people know how to like here come over and there's candles lit and there's all this things that make an experience wonderful yeah i didn't do any of that shit and i made them terrible food and they still mock me for it to this day did you have to order in that night or did you just laugh about it and drink um we just we we drank and they were they actually i think they saw my vulnerability like i'm gonna cook for you that they didn't even mock me that night they just sort of like push the food around and then i found out you know i found out about a year later that they they had been mocking me and now we laugh about it so maybe you need to do like a residency in taylor swift's house just to like maybe you know or maybe she's a shit

teaching someone how to cook one thing taylor swift is shit at teaching sim vincent how to cook okay this is interesting breaking news what sort of food do you like the most besides your nuts and berries that's so you guys um well i want to come to your shabbat and enjoy and do that oh yeah um i what do i like the best as far as food um i like tacos i like this is so boring i like salads but i don't like them dressed. Oh. I know. No, that's fine. But I thought the sexiest bit of the salad was the dressing. Not always, darling. I mean.

Not if you've got kale on you. I like. What do I like? I don't know. I don't eat a. Do you like a chopped salad or a cob salad? All of the above. I don't eat a lot of meat, every once in a while like every I think

like once a month you know what I mean I'll like have red meat that's really good will you eat fish you don't like fish I don't know what happened but I just I've reached a point where something about me Texas was it Texas gross me I think I I think I hit my limit of eating you know multiple pork chops a week and was like I think I can't eat meat anymore that much not I'm not a vegetarian but just you just don't like it sometimes it grosses me out I don't mean that in a in a judge sometimes I can't understand that like I'm thinking about the actual I need to know seeing as you grew up in Dallas, was your high school like Friday Night Lights? My high school was in a, it was in the suburbs of Dallas. So it was bigger, like a bigger town, you know what I mean?

Than Friday Night Lights. But basically, there is a million dollar plus like football stadium at my high school. Wow. A million dollars? It's such a big thing. So is it associated with the university? Oh, no. football stadium at my high school. Wow. A million dollars. It's such a big thing. So is it associated with the university? Oh, no. Oh, no.

No. They just are obsessed with American football, right? That's just the pride of the community. Do girls play American football? You know what? I think that there have been a couple girls who played maybe high school and college football. But I do know that it was like a big to do. It was a big, you know, kerfuffle. But I think they're allowed, but there's not, there's not like separate female leagues for American football yeah I wanted to know like Annie so so there's the whole I'm just kind of

humor me indulge me with this kind of Friday night lights kind of feeling because I basically loved it but I wanted to know like with school you know were you always just in the music school or were you making music then were you were you playing were you studying more I mean what kind of kid were you like good, good question. I was I was started playing guitar when I was 12. And so I was just, you know, obsessed with music. And luckily, I had like, three really good girlfriends who were all upset. We were all obsessed with music. And we were all kind of like, secret ragtag misfits. know like we didn't we didn't we weren't like gonna get pushed into lockers or anything but we weren't we're just something a little little off

about the four of us and in the best way they're still my best friends like we we go way back like that but um so we were all just like obsessed with music and movies and culture in this way. And that was really formative, because I don't not that many people in Dallas, Texas, during that time, were I mean, most people were kind of like, it could be said that there was like, the preppy group, and then the misfits, and the all the athletes, the jock, you know, it's, it was kind of like that. Yeah, yeah. So I played bass in a metal band in eighth grade. How old are you in eighth grade? 14. So I played bass in that band. But it wasn't really because I loved metal music. Although I did, you know, I could totally get into it. It was because it was the only band that I knew of that was kind of happening and the only

role that could be taken was bass because everybody wants to be the guitar player so it's like okay well if there's a role for bass i can buy a bass and figure out how to play bass so i did that which was fun i mean we played like school talent shows and stuff and you know that um and then let's see i tried out for pop vocal choir in eighth and ninth grade oh my god i'd love to have been in a choir like that that's what kind of songs were they well did you get in no no i didn't make it in and no so i'm too old to older i hope they've So my two older sisters were both in this pop vocal choir. And I tried out twice and did not make it. No, this is heartbreaking. Okay, and are either of them in music anymore?

They are not. Well, don't give up give up kids that's the lesson of this story exactly to try for the pop choir don't forget about the pop do we have got pop choirs here no but they sound mean yeah well screw them they didn't have any clut i'm sorry this is madness well did that kind of how did that feel did that feel like real rejection or you just like right well i'll go and try something else we just kind of just so determined well here's the thing so the pop choir was it was it was called limited edition and it was probably like eight boys and eight girls. And they would, you know, stand up and do little awkward choreographed dances and sing the hits of like Anne Murray and Carole King or like my boyfriend's back and I'm gonna get...

Was it acapella like? Oh, pitch perfect. It was more, I think it was more like glee because it was co-ed. And so I tried out in eighth grade but I was like I didn't really get the memo that like I should have sang Natalie Cole or something because I went and I sang Fleetwood Mac great choice I sang Dreams Dreams yeah fabulous that's a great choice thank you well apparently not but also I remember it being very the way that you had to try out was it was after school and you have to try out in front of the whole school so cruel so cruel so i just remember

getting up there feeling like up until the moment that i got on stage like okay this will be all right and then getting up on stage and just being like now here you go again just complete nerves i mean i guess i guess i don't blame them for not choosing me. But it's interesting because, I mean, I look at you as such a, I mean, fine, you're not in eighth grade anymore. And you've won a Grammy. You know, you're doing okay, our kid. But it's interesting.

Do you still get nervous? And please forgive me if I've got this wrong but usually I see you with your guitar and that's like your I don't I wonder whether it's kind of like your armor and because you know your SNL performance and like with the new record you know you were doing choreography I mean it's so fabulous um but do you still get nervous and is there something about having that guitar to hold or you know that instrument that feels protected like like protection or you kind of you you just feel okay now um I do still get nervous but actually playing guitar and singing takes

a lot of it's like the thing where you pat your head and rub your like stomach so now i actually really like just singing it's just so like i can give my whole body to singing i mean you like how do you do you still get nervous what's your feeling oh terrified yeah i still get nervous but weirdly on this last record I've kind of added choreography and doing the choreography was a really wonderful way to kind of channel the nerves it kind of like made me feel focused on something else but I can imagine it's not the same as playing the guitar because you have to because and I wondered whether that was the same with you with the SNL stuff, you know, like performing the dancing and stuff. It kind of changes your attention. I love it so much.

I love organizing my body. You know what I mean? Because you're exactly right. It takes what could be like the kind of energy you have that can just kind of like be unfocused and weird. And it just, it gives you it gives yeah yeah totally I did I the first time I ever did choreography was with um I was touring with David Byrne and that the show we put together was like with like completely choreographed and yeah I was at first I was like I don't't know about this. Like I probably had some chip on my shoulder.

Like I don't, you know, oh, I don't know. I'm I just like to go with the moment or whatever, which like, no, I don't. I've never liked to go with the moment. You're like you're learning from the best. If you're doing it with David Byrne, I mean, like, you know, it then takes it into a place of like a piece of art. And it's kind of another world that yeah it's not like your backstreet boys you know doing you know so even though we love her backstreet boys choreography but yeah yeah no that you're right that's and and david um we worked with a choreographer named

annie b parson who is i've worked with now since and i love her um but dav David is a great choreographer. I mean, just his, he's a great dancer. Annie, when did you do SNL? I did it a week ago with Daniel Kaluuya. Daniel was one of our first people that we had on. He's a friend of mine and my mum basically

now thinks that he's her son. I feel he's my son. I'm so proud of him. He is a sensational actor. He is and he seems like a lovely person.

He's very nice. Did you have fun is it as fun as everyone says snl it is fun it's really um it is fun it's it's hectic in a in a fun way because you're like okay and now the dress rehearsal and now this and and they're calling it's so crazy because they will um do a dress rehearsal and then change which sketches they're doing before showtime sometimes like they're like everybody's on their toes and then add COVID into that I've always kind of imagined it looks it just looks like the funnest kind of wildest Saturday night ever yeah so so you might you've traveled all around the world and you know probably spent quite a lot of time in London. And, I mean, where is your kind of food destination in the world? I love Singapore.

Like just the street food Singapore. I ate Ray there once, which was delicious. Japan. Yeah. I mean, can't be beat. No. Can't be beat. Um, Japan.

Yeah. I mean, can't be beat. No. Can't be beat. Although there was one time I was in Japan. I was walking around Shibuya with my bandmate, my friend Toko, who's Japanese, who's from just outside of Tokyo. And we walked into this place and it had like, it had a like a whale on its logo. But we thought, OK, well, that's whatever.

And we go and Toko starts reading the menu in Japanese. she's like scanning through every she's like oh this only serves whale oh and i was like oh i don't know if i can do that i know that the lines of what animals you eat are so arbitrary but i just was like i don't know if i can eat whale so we politely left but yeah i don't think i could do do you think you could do whale you're kidding me i can't do rabbit i can't do any of those things but i can't do a lot i can't do uni and i know that it makes me not a proper sushi person but i can't do it well you tried it i've tried it and i just can't do it we all nearly died when you ate and i feel like it makes me a slight philistine when I can't do it because I love Sushi Park and I love sushi. Oh, yeah. Sushi Park. It's very good.

Oh, so good. How often have you been able to see your parents over the whole shenanigans with COVID? Quite a bit. In May, I drove to Dallas and I didn't get to see my mom, but I went to her house and like did a lot of home improvement she was at a lake house in the country you know away from any grandkids or anything unfortunately but I went to her house and like did DIY renovation because because you're a good daughter oh you're good at DIY I don't know about that. You know, it was minchy. What were you doing? God, we went, what did we do? We went and repainted.

We got rid of a lot of things. She's a little bit of a hoarder. But not in a like Burger King wrapper, you know, but more like sentimental things. Yes. So she gave me permission to kind of clear out some things so did all that um we wallpapered we redid um flooring so like hold on when did you write this record

then was it whilst you were like wallpapering did like you know daddy's home come to you as you were you know putting the plasterboard up? I don't know. Did you go to New York to write this record? No. Well, I started Daddy's Home probably in the fall of 2019. Okay. I was working on it with my friend Jack Antonoff, and we did...

Oh, I don't know him, but I know I'd like him. He's wonderful. You would love him. Did you write and co-produce it together? Yeah. Oh, nice don't know him, but I know I'd like him. He's wonderful. You would love him. Did you write and co-produce it together? Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. There are definitely a few songs on there that are co-writes with him.

He's a real mensch. Yeah, he looks like a little mensch. Yeah, he is. So, okay, so you started that in 2019 with Jack. Mm-hmm. And kind of had, like, I knew that I wanted to do something that was, like, down and out downtown and, like, 70s, sleazy, that kind of had like i knew that i wanted to do something was like down and out downtown and like 70s sleazy that kind of vibe um so we had about i don't know about half of the record

kind of done and in a place and then i just wrote the rest of it in quarantine and you know and between the two of us we can really play most of the instruments so it was a lot of like doing that and sending, like record the vocal parts for the background singers to do. They would record them at their house and send it back to me. Like it was, we got creative with it, but I think it still manages to sound really like played and live. Do you think COVID made you more creative? I let certain things like marinate a little bit more,

you know, cooking show. And yeah, I definitely was able to like work on it, step away from it, come back to it, see with kind of more vision what I really needed to do to it, if that makes sense. Instead of like just barreling through on one thing, which sometimes you can lose your, you can be blinded by sight in that way. You're going to be sent off onto a desert island for at least six months. What would you eat before you left? Your last i would have oh my god um you'll be able to get nuts and berries on the desert island i think do you guys have solid answers for this i mean babe you know this we change it every week we change it every week but i i can i can do it like this, but that's okay.

You're forgiven if you can't. Okay, how about a... Like, a spicy vodka fusilli situation? Ooh. Where are you getting that from? John and Vinny's? I knew you were going to say that! Very good.

Really good. Or have you had Carboné's one? No, is it amazing? Carboné in New York. It's not in New, is it amazing? Carboné in New York. It's not in New York. No. It's in bloody LA. But it's not Fuseli.

They don't do it for Fuseli, I don't think. So what do you do? How do you make a vodka? Very good. A vodka Fuseli. Well, Annie. Well, first, your dish that you learned to do. Well, first.

What's in it? Is it tomato vodka? I have no idea. It's bloody good though, isn't it? Yeah. I'm just going to put some vodka in all of my things from now on. Drink enough

and you'll think anything's excellent by the time you eat it. Okay, so we're going John and Vinnie's vodka, pasta, spicy, Fuseli. Good choice. Is that a main or a starter? Oh, that's a starter because I...

Okay. Let me think about this because the main would be... Just say the salad, Annie. I know you want to say the salad. I could say about 18 things. I'm spoilt for choice. What's it going to be um how about um she's not fussed a martini okay yeah love that okay dirty martini how about a dirty vodka martini we're just doubling down on the vodka

okay so now okay this is fantastic and kind of goes with the daddy's home world i feel like this is working for the dirty martini being your main course that's the main course love that pud dessert rather oh i know yeah bread pudding oh bread and butter pudding is that what it's called bread pudding no it's a different thing. What's bread pudding? I don't know what bread pudding is. Bread pudding is like bread and it seems to be sweetened with something. And raisins. Where have you had it?

Have you had it in England? Yeah, it's bread and butter pudding. Oh, bread and butter. Yes. It's bread, basically bread, sugar, milk, cream. And raisins. And raisins. But we don't use raisins.

So what we do, and you butter the bread, you can. It's bread and butter pudding. So we do it with panettone. You know, the Italian, or you can do it with brioche or hot cross buns or things. So where have you tried a bread pudding or bread and butter pudding? Was it in the UK? Of course it was. Yes, I've definitely was it in the uk of course it was yes i've definitely had

it in the uk i just realized what i told you i would eat was basically like starch two ways yeah that's all right it's like starch with cream in a sweet way starch with cream in a uh in a savory way but it's the best way to do it. But very delicious. Yeah. You guys are so sweet. You're so kind. Very delicious. And then I don't know, drink of choice, are we going to stop with,

are we going to, because you've kind of chosen your toast martini as the main. You are allowed a drink of choice on top of that. Are you going to change your drink or are you just going straight Voddy martinis?

I mean, if I'm going to wait for two, I'd say two martinis and I'll be really okay singing with the birds great i knew i loved this girl because vodka martini is like dirty filthy is my thing my sister taught me about that at sunset tower she was like ask for it filthy they're very good i love the martini at the tower. Maybe when I get to meet you, hopefully, in real life, that's what we're going to do. Oh, I would love it.

And I'm going to borrow one of your wigs, and jobs are good in. Wait, Jessie, I only have one wig. Oh. I'm not made of money over here. I've just got the one wig. Hold on. I was imagining your Moira from Schitt's Creek.

The wig wall. No, I'll bring you a wig. That will be my offering to you. Oh my God, now you're going to get all your fans sending you wigs. Unless she gets wigs thrown at her on stage. I once said, oh, I'm a bit hungry. I need some Marmite. I'm a bit homesick.

I got fucking so much Marmite on tour. It was very sweet. So maybe don't say you've only got a one wig because everyone's going to be sending wigs to you. Oh my God, do you think everyone's going to come to your gigs with blonde wigs on? Oh my God. This could be kind of fabulous.

Or maybe not, I don't know. And then you can use them all, you know. It would be amazing. Sustainability, you know, leave them, I don't know, anyway. So, karaoke tune. Do you like karaoke? That is really my question, Jessica.

Sorry, Mum, you do it, you do it. You don't like karaoke. I really my question sorry you do it you do it i hate it go you go do you like karaoke jesse i feel like we might have similar thoughts on karaoke karaoke if you can actually really sing and do karaoke you're just showing off yeah sit down give somebody else a try. Right? Like, it's karaoke for people who... Why am I having it at my birthday? Well, karaoke's sort of for people who really can't sing but have... who love to perform, you know? Or it's like they can make it very entertaining.

It makes me kind of... gives me, like, the heebie-jeebies, really, singing karaoke. I forced her to sing a Whitney Houston song at Club Med once. Yeah, and it really ruined my life, to be honest. It did not, Jessie. Well, it did. She went, you want to be a singer? Get at Club Med once. Yeah, and it really ruined my life, to be honest. It did not, Jessie. Well, it did. She went, you want to be a singer? Get up there, sing, sing.

I want to dance to somebody. Sing, Louise. I was like, oh God, in Turkey. Jessie, you were, oh my God. I'm like, what are you? No, it was very stressful. It was not the way to, you know, nurture my talent.

Oh my God, I love you. So, okay, so you're just not a karaoke girl but if you were going to do it would you do the thing that a lot of the singers do they choose a rap song um yeah i could probably do that i could probably do that um i think that there have been a couple occasions when i got coerced into karaoke where i picked a song where that I thought I knew the words to and then really didn't like I well I remember being in Osaka and I picked that Taylor Swift song Love Story yeah which I thought I knew the words to and I realized midway through singing I neither know the words nor the melody to this song do you know what i mean like i love the song i can't i have no idea how it goes is that one

is that i don't i don't know it's um i don't know no it's the one that's yeah i don't know either it's from like when she was like 18 it's like, Romeo, take me somewhere we can be alone. I'll be something all about. Yeah. I mean, she does write a hook, that girl. She knows how to write a hook. Annie, what a pleasure to chat to you. Thank you.

You go wrong about saying that people fall in love with you. I understand this. I'm now in love with you. I really want to meet you. I really want to have a dirty martini with you. And you guys. You go wrong about saying that people fall in love with you. I understand this. I'm now in love with you. I really want to meet you. I really want to have a dirty martini with you. Please. And some carbs on the side. And good luck.

Listen, good luck with the record. It's so exciting to see what you do every time. We'd like to have a meal with you. And we will cook for you when you're in London. We're going to come to LA maybe. Can I just ask one thing? Where did St. Vincent come from? Oh, it's a reference to a Nick Cave song.

Okay. Yeah. Have you ever met him? Yes, I have actually. At Pache. Beautiful. I love that. Did you eat with him?

I did. There were a lot of people. Oh. It was like a thing for Susie's brand, The Vampire's Wife. Vampire's Wife. Yeah, it's amazing. And so Nick was there as supportive husband. And how did you go up to him quite geekily and go,

did you know that, or did you play it super cool? Because I kind of imagine you play it really cool. I played it, when in doubt, I'm quiet. So I was mystique. Something like that. Or didn't have the vodka martini in me yet to start chatting. But he knows that's the reason. I wonder if he does.

I'm sure he's probably been told at this point. Yeah. It's a good name. You haven't collaborated with him have you no i have not i would like to yeah that needs to happen i think all right well if you can um give a little ring yeah sim vincent annie clark thank you so much for coming on table manners thank you and choosing a martini as your main course couldn't be more rock and roll, really.

Oh, Annie Clark. She's lovely, isn't she, Mum? She's delightful. I mean, just there's something so classy about her, isn't there? Yeah, she's very classy. Big fan. Love her. The record's out now. Daddy's home.

She's fantastic. And Mum needs to get over to LA and give her a good bloody main course. Give her a meal. But thank you so much for listening, everyone. We hope you enjoyed it. I'm sure you have take care lots of love the music you've heard on table manners is by peter duffy and pete fraser table manners is produced by alice williams