Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S11 Ep 29: Maisie Williams

Episode Date: July 28, 2021

Arya Stark is in the kitchen!! We’ve been after the brilliant Maisie Williams for a long time and finally she’s here. Fashionista and queen of Game Of Thrones talks to us about her upcoming role in Danny Boyle's ‘Pistol’, spending lockdown in France, going to Pizza Express with her mum and growing her own vegetables. She’s been in GOT since the age of 12 (her very first acting job!) so gives us the lowdown on who’s the fussiest eater in the cast & who’s besties on set. What a little treasure. Enjoy! x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to... Bloody hell, there's a naked man walking past your door, Mum. What do you mean, naked? How naked? He's a bit young for me to be talking to him. How naked? I mean, topless. Oh, come on. He's now looking.

Well, I don't know him. Oh, anyway. Hello. Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I've just looked at a young teenage boy and thought that he looked quite handsome. Wow. Yeah.

My hormones are raging. How are you, mum? Actually, I've got the summer cold that I haven't had for a year and a half now, but I think everyone's got it since I've been unlocked. I hope it's the summer cold. You have done a COVID test. I have done a COVID test. I absolutely do not have COVID. Okay, fine. Well, we have a big star on today. I know. Do you know what? big star on today. I know.

Do you know what? You keep on calling her the wrong bloody name. Because I've never watched the programme she's in. I can be probably one of the few people in the whole wide world that's never seen Game of Thrones. Maisie Williams is a British actor, filmmaker and environmentalist who was Ira Stark in HBO's game of thrones which i loved good she was a bad bitch and she's about to be in danny boyle's directed tv series called pistol about the sex pistols and she's just like quite fabulous and i'm very interested by how many times she gets to go to this restaurant called evelyn's table which is her boyfriend's brother's place in Soho.

I think it's in Soho or central London. And it's kind of a 12-seater and it just looks such beautiful food. I don't know if she's a foodie or not. Oh, God. No pressure, darling. No pressure. But I've seen her at the odd fashion do or two. She's always at a fashion do.

She's a fashionista. Okay. Shall I change my leggings? Well, I i mean i have not made an effort at all um so what are you making for dinner if i say sombrero that's a clue tequila yep mexican tequila chicken oh perfect with mexican rice how do you make a mexican rice mom it's just really a tomato rice with a bit spicy with cumin and chipotle no you didn't put chipotle in i did no i put all the paso jalapenos no i didn't i had jalapenos from sorry say that again jalapenos it's a bit like that's george in spanish to you i had jalapenos and i put some chili in and some cumin and it's tomato rice it's nice and i've made a corn black bean coriander and pepper salsa

which is very nice so that sounds delicious and then what have you done for pud oh this is a producer alice special i haven't done anything to the strawberries yet. Well, the lime. Yeah, but you don't put the juice on. Okay, so producer Alice has told us about this, and we've done it wrong many times before. It's strawberries with lime zest and demerara sugar. Okay, I'll go and do it now. Would you call that a macerated strawberry?

No, you'd call it strawberries with lime zest. I'm going to have another glass of wine. I'm going to have another glass of something Right, I need to go and put the chicken in Maisie Williams coming up on Table Miners In a flurry we have now lovely Maisie Williams here who's brought a bottle of wine over

she's already getting stuck into a glass of rosé helping mum get through her second glass and and you've turned up with like you you are like joy like a little miniature form of joy you're just yeah and I've only I've only met you at a fashion show I know you're always at fashion shows I know you're so fashionable well I don't know are people fashionable at fashion shows. I know. You're so fashionable. Well, I don't know. Are people fashionable at fashion shows? I feel like people are, like, understated as hell. Don't people dress you?

Yeah, I love it when... I'm longing for that. When I have to go to the show just to go and they don't dress, then I'm like, oh, no, this is a nightmare. What am I going to wear? But do you enjoy it? I do, I do. I really really I think the crowd is so interesting it's quite good people watching isn't it totally and I think there's a lot of flaws of the fashion industry but

I do think that fashion shows can be a lot of fun but you're living in Paris now right or are you not anymore no I'm not I was there for basically the second half of the lockdown. Was that because you were shooting something? No, I was there because Ruben, my boyfriend, was doing... Your very handsome boyfriend. And we need to talk about the restaurant, his brother's restaurant. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We need to talk about all of these things. Oh, gosh, we've got to get you there.

Yeah, he was doing his first collection and they said Paris Fashion Week is happening and so we moved over there and moved the team there and did the show so yeah he's a fashion designer yeah yeah how did you two meet ah so I um long long story we met at a company that I co-founded called Daisy which was a creative platform for artists and he was part of the founding team and he mixed business with pleasure I mean not only are you doing that and you're in a new Danny Boyle tv show and you were in Game of Thrones that everyone knows you for and also you've been in so many different things you have your own podcast yeah I do so tell us about the

podcast because it's quite new it is it's called Frank Film Club and it's a film club for people who love movies but get a bit nervous or flustered when asked to articulate why. How fantastic. I love that. So it's like a book club, but a film club, but on a podcast. Yeah, exactly. And who do you invite to talk about it? It's the same people? Yeah, so we have the same four people, and then we sort of interact some with the audience

and get suggestions on what we should be watching and what people thought of the films. And then coming up shortly, we'll be having guests from the movies oh can you but you don't want guests like us who've got something to say no we love that okay it's a club for everyone okay so and so it's not is it old and new films or is it mostly new releases it's old and new films and documentaries and black and white movies. And it's everything, really.

And who are the other hosts or guests? So it's myself and Lowry Roberts and Chloe Colpin and Hannah Marie Williams. And they all work in film. And we met through sort of working on our own projects. And we were doing the film club anyway during the lockdown just because everything that we were doing had stopped and we thought we should still, you know, try and be good filmic people.

And so we were doing the film club just between the four of us and, you know, chatting each week about what we thought and so then we decided to turn it into a podcast so what films have you loved i just watched this film called the kindergarten teacher and it's with maggie gyllenhaal oh my god is that an older one a little bit maybe like 2016 i would say and it was so beautiful just amazing i'm gonna watch where is it how did you watch it that one is on mubi at the moment but amazing. I'm going to watch it. Where is it? How did you watch it? That one is on Mubi at the moment.

But I think you can also probably watch it on Apple TV. I'm going to try. Yeah. It's really great. It's this woman who just kind of becomes a bit infatuated with one of her... No worries. One of her preschool students who's an incredible writer. And he makes these poems

and she really loves the poems and then it gets to the point where you're like she isn't behaving in a good way anymore I'd love to watch this one hugely complex so okay let's go back to

your childhood where did you grow up? Bristol. Bristol. You haven't got the accent. No, I know. I lost that one immediately. Good. But now you'll start to hear it more now that I've told you.

Where about? I love Bristol. Yeah, I love it too. I moved away maybe like four or five years ago, but I do love to go back. It's really great fun there. So who was cooking dinner my mum good cook I mean yeah she I love my mum's food I love my like she what was it she would make really good chilling con carne she'd make really good spaghetti bolognese

and I feel like those are the only TV dishes that I remember there was four of us so you know and were you a fussy eater no not at all my brother was the one that would like refuse vegetables but I would eat everything and anything where do you come in the peck like where you're the youngest maybe yes but I was very adventurous eater when I was a kid and did you get to eat out a lot in Bristol when you were younger like what was it a river station yes that's where we went for graduation I loved it right on the river and it was really good food yeah such good food my sister I think had my stepsister actually had a birthday party yeah it's a great huge space i think that was probably the last time i ate out in bristol actually yeah it's a beautiful space and i think i went there

i used to take alex there a lot when he was at university there and then we went there for his graduation there's some really good aren't they really good gastropubs in like clifton yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i've probably eaten out more now that i'm older but didn't really eat out much when I was a kid actually well we would order Chinese sometimes so what was your order for Chinese? I would always get chicken chow mein and then I would leave the bits of chicken and my mum would say

why didn't you just get a vegetable chow mein and I was like I didn't know that you could do that so then I switched to vegetable chow mein I have cooked chicken tonight because I heard that you would but you don't have to eat it there's enough other things to eat no I eat meat

when someone else is cooking I'll happily eat meat are you a flexitarian? yeah I would say so I'd like to keep meat as a treat and I also feel like you shouldn't eat meat unless you can cook it well

and I can't cook it that well and it feels like wrong to be cooking an animal when it doesn't you're't cook it that well and it feels like wrong to be cooking an animal when it doesn't you're not doing it justice but so this is a perfect segue into the fact that your boyfriend's brothers yes the three three brothers so um Ruben isn't part of this gang no it's Theo Nathaniel and Luke so you basically you have at your fingertips one of the best restaurants in London basically yeah

it's such a privilege so have they taught you any because I follow some of the boys which one do I follow Luke I follow Luke on Instagram and in lockdown he was doing lots of yeah loads different dishes every night and we were living with him at the time.

So we were eating just the most amazing food. And are they half Filipino? Are they Filipino? Half Filipino, yeah. Their mother is Filipino. So, I mean, hasn't he taught you some of the tricks? Or you just enjoy the food and clap? Yeah, I guess somewhat.

I think, like, we were making our own pasta. And just, like, tiny little homemade bits like that, that can really make a dish that, you know, before I wouldn't have really done. And I guess kind of just like simple flavor pairings, but I, I really am more of like a, not a cook.

Do you ever cook? You don't need to darling. Just, just relax. That's what i'm looking for a boyfriend who cooks for me darling yeah exactly does reuben cook he's good at cooking but he doesn't like to do it that much but we've just got this big green egg barbecue oh they're bad oh my gosh and now cooking is so much fun i know you can do everything and i'm really loving it because you really can just throw everything on hold are you smoking things yes lovely little applewood

chips and oh gosh it's good yeah you really should you've got a lovely garden out there yeah i could fit it right in yeah it'd be so nice so so okay so you were you were living with your brother it will say in-laws maybe it's a bit too early to be saying that, but you were living with all these great dishes. You kind of learnt a bit more about pairings, but what is the Maisie Williams dish that if you were going to try and wow someone, if you were like, Ruben, come home, I've made us a meal.

Darling, she's going to get, the dish is Ruben. And we're going to get him to do the cooking. But I mean, what would you cook? I would probably cook this noodle dish. Yeah. Which is kind of made up. It's like soy sauce and peanut butter and tofu and vegetables lovely and a bit of honey and if i've got like cashews and i'll put some of them in it's a bit of a one pot wonder

yeah but all the nice things that taste the a lot of umami there yes a lot of umami lots of because how old were you when you started game of thrones that was your first big acting gig right yeah first gig i was 12 12 you've been on set for the majority of your life i know kind of are your parents in the business no not at all it's a complete fluke that i got here not in the industry at all although my mum is such a performer at heart but she would never say it I don't think I understand but like 12 years old I mean how how how much time are you spending away from home because were you shooting an island yeah shooting in Northern Ireland and we would do well the shoot would be about six months of the year but I wouldn't be there the whole time but it would be on and off for that you know sometimes it'd be a week and sometimes it'd be four days and then sometimes maybe it'd be two weeks and

and so it would just go back and forth and my mum would come with me and we would go to pizza express every night and have a good time really and it was it was it really fun it was could you believe that this was your life at 12 no it was just so exciting and and then yeah how did you get the role Maisie so I want I always want I was like one of those stage kids that really wanted to go to stage school no I did I wanted to but we couldn't afford it but I went to like a local dance school called Susan Hill School of Dancing and they were so supportive and they sort of pushed me

at every opportunity that they could find and one of those was a talent show and there was lots of like agents and scouts there and I found an acting agent and she signed me and then my first audition was for Game of Thrones. Oh my god. Well actually it was in a second. So had you gone to a normal school?

Yeah yeah I just went to normal school and loved it. So how I would obviously ask this question because I'm a pushy mother how did you finish your education I didn't mortified absolutely mortified brain surgeon you don't even I know is there still time yeah there is actually how old are you 24 you look younger actually like a little does everyone say that is this annoying yeah they do because you're very petite. It used to be. I used to find it more annoying, but now I don't mind it so much. Yeah. I'm telling you, as you get older, you don't mind it at all. Take the years off.

Do you think you'd go back to school? I've been thinking about this recently. While I was in France last year, I was taking loads of French lessons, and I loved it, and I loved learning again. And I feel like I was so traumatized from school and I thought that I didn't enjoy learning but actually I do and especially now I'm in a lucky enough position that I can do one-on-one education in any subject that I wanted I have been thinking maybe or I don't know but it probably would be languages you know

I love languages yeah can you speak any only French really and a tiny well yeah that's it i was gonna say a tiny bit of i was gonna say japanese yeah but i can say maybe like two phrases so i was like yeah i can speak a little bit of japanese so it was like the cater was the catering out of this world on game of thrones they're really good at cooking for hundreds of people and that's the what the job is right you can it's a different scale veggie food they would do one veggie dish and they would do a fish dish and they do a meat dish and then they would have like plain chicken and chips for the fussy eaters then that would be underneath the little hot box and you'd have to give them a little wink and a nod who were the fussy eaters it would you

i don't really know maybe some of the makeup or costume people occasionally be like, oh, I can't eat this. Oh, yeah, because they were used to better things. Who was your favourite person on Game of Thrones? Favourite person? Sophie, obviously. You were really close with Sophie, weren't you? Yeah. Well, Mum, you read the Daily Mail, so you'll know.

She played my sister. You are like sisters. Exactly. We got the role at the same time, and we grew up on the show together and it was so amazing to have another person who was going through it at the same time because I just think it would have been too much otherwise. Did it become really overwhelming at any point? In retrospect, yes.

But at the time, I kind of just felt like everyone felt, you know, like overwhelmed overwhelmed a lot of things but you know I definitely I just got very anxious in public settings all the time and I wouldn't and yeah I feel like now I've had a big break from it and I'm much better and you know come across as really confident the pandemic has done me so much good, and I don't even... It's crazy, actually. I feel like a completely different person to me. Yeah, I really have.

But your mum's done a good job, your mum and dad. Oh, she has. Yeah, you're very grounded. Absolutely. My mum is such a dream, and I'm so grateful that she was sort of with me the whole time. Did she stay in Northern Ireland with you? Yeah, she did.

Because you must have been kind of a minor, so you had to have somebody with you, right? Exactly, yeah. And then when you're 16, you can sort of travel on your own, and that was really exciting. But I would still get her to come over. This one time I got tonsillitis and I was so sick, and I was trying to be a grown-up on my own, you know,

and I was like, Mum, can you fly over, please? Because it's such crazy hours Jess is the same now please I am if you've got a cold she rings me up mum yeah but yeah those those hours that they and you don't know what your schedule's going to be like you don't know if you're shooting a night shoot or and that was the thing you had lots of moody things so they probably were at night a lot of night stuff and and when I was younger I was just like I can't wait to be on my own I can't wait to do it and then I remember when I turned 16 the first time they were like oh we're going over and I was like by how long and they

were like as long as it takes and I was like oh no no one could say look she's had enough she's underage I was 16 by that point. You don't get to. That is terrible, Jessica. No, it was so exciting, but it was, I think it was, you know, just be careful what you wish for. Yeah, but you just want to lie in in the morning and then you're up again. I know. My sister's an actress and she got, she got like that pink eye, didn't she, when she was shooting that programme. She never stopped. She honestly, she had like this gunky eye infection.

And they won't stop filming. They won't stop. They came and gave, put her on a drip for an hour to keep her going. Yeah. Gave her loads of vitamins. Whenever you call in sick, like that time that I had tonsillitis, they will send a doctor to make sure that you're not just hungover. Obviously, I wasn't at that point, but they do send a doctor just to check.

And they'll make sure they'll give you something to get the old throat going yeah and also just to if they won't take a day off unless they absolutely need to can you see the tonsillitis episode can you see your acting i mean i'm sure it was absolutely i'm sure you're a consummate professional but can you go oh yeah that That was the tonsillitis day. Probably on that one, but I do have so many memories of watching scenes and being like, oh, I remember that day. And I look and I can just see it all over my face or just days where you're not focused enough.

And it's there forever. You're filmed, it's there. And you can't. I think you did a pretty good job. I mean, they didn't kill you off at all, did they? That's all we needed. She's sorry, that's a spoiler. Will they ever come back in some form?

Well, I could do because I didn't die. So you think they might because it's a shame... I'm waiting on the call. Yeah, it's a shame to have stopped it when it was so successful. Well, the person that you... This is a spoiler, but the person that you snogged... Yes....sends his love. Oh, Jo. Jo Dempsey sends his love. successful the person that you um this is a spoiler but the person you snogged yeah sends his love oh joe joe dempsey sends his love so you've just done this um the danny boyle thing

and when's that coming out it will be next year i have no idea when actually next year next year okay i've heard a lot of rumors i don't know how many of them are true but i think it could well i always thought of it as like a autumn show i don't know why whenever i'm on something i feel like i know what time it'll be and i felt like it but because of the whole thing with the queen's jubilee yeah that happened with the sex pistols when they played on the thames and what it could come out in summer. Have you got a punk hairdo? Yeah. Oh my gosh, shall I show you? Oh my god!

Was it fun? Yeah. It's, honestly, it's my last day on Sunday and I've never... Oh, you're still shooting it now? Still shooting. I'm shooting tomorrow and then I'm shooting on Sunday and then I'm done. Is this why you've got the bleached eyebrows and the bleached hair? So I played this girl called Jordan Mooney.

Who's an icon? Punk icon, living legend. Yes, like myself, darling. Please, love her.

Oh gosh. Oh my God, how fun. So this is me playing Jordan and this is my friend Iris who's playing Sue Catwoman. My friend Beth

who's playing Susie Sue. Susie and the Bunchies. Yeah. And this is my friend Fran who's playing sue catwoman my friend beth who's playing suzy sue suzy and the banshees and this is my friend fran who's playing helen of troy you look fun how fun is that how fun who are the gorgeous guys then gorgeous guys so we've got toby wallace who is in a film called baby teeth oh my god oh my god yeah oh my god oh my god I love will you just tell him I love him so much I will that was my favourite film of this year or last year

whatever such a beautiful film it looked like yeah we did no I Toby Wallace nearly just put me in I knew I knew that name

because I googled him straight after that film yeah he's incredible he'd be perfect for this show yes so he's playing Steve Jones and the story is about Steve and he's kind of like the

you know steven and paul cook are the two that kind of founded the pistols um but they're the two that you don't hear as much about because you've got johnny rotten you got sid vicious so who plays all the pistols so toby plays steve we have jacob sl, who plays Paul Cook. And then we have Anson Boone, who plays John Rotten. And then Louis Partridge, who plays Sid Vicious. And when I tell you, these boys are the most lovely boys in the whole world. And they're so talented. What's it going to be on? I have no idea.

I feel like it's being made by FX. Sometimes FX have a partner with, I don't know actually. I have no idea I feel like it's being made by FX is it BBC sometimes FX have a partner with I don't know actually I know they do Hulu but I don't it must go on a channel here and I feel like

the only one that really makes sense is BBC just because this story is so that but I feel like it's one of those things that happens after they go

who wants it no everyone will want it well we hope but it's quite it's a bit sweary and, you know, grown up. How's it working with Danny Boyle? Incredible. I said to myself at the beginning of the pandemic,

I was like, I want to at least land a role with a director that I really idolise. And lo and behold, Danny Boyle. God, look at you manifesting everything fucking hell honestly it was and it's a it's such a dream come true I've never I feel so I have so much confidence in him and I feel like I don't I don't feel like everything is my responsibility, I guess. It's kind of like I feel like I can just do what he says and just run with it and trust that it's going to be okay. And not, I don't know, it's just so nice to have that person.

Is it very different? Because there's probably so many different directors on Game of Thrones. You'd be working with a new stranger. All the time, exactly. And kind of that level of trust there'll no doubt be respect but it's kind of like blind dates every totally exactly and you and you work better with some people and and not so well with others and and things it's just every director is different sometimes they want to be with the actors but sometimes it's more about you

know getting all the shots and getting the crew sort of working as one and a lot of the big sort of character questions you'd probably ask David and Dan who were the show runners um and that was then more of an answer which is just more about like what's right and wrong rather than like the philosophical director questions that you sometimes ask and and so so working with Danny has just been different. It's just different. He's the star of this, you know? He's the star of what he does. And, you know, we all just follow what he says and it's been amazing.

So have you been staying in London shooting? Yeah, so I moved out... Where do you normally live? I live in Sussex now. I just moved out there a couple of months ago. And you grow your veggies? My veg. Oh, my God, my veg.

Let's talk about the veg patch. Yeah. So. Allotment. I'm struggling a bit with it, actually. It's quite difficult. Rocket and lettuce are coming out my arse. So why didn't you have some?

Where is it? I should have brought some up. It will bolt, won't it? That's what happens. It bolts, darling. What do you mean? It just overgoes. Yeah.

It becomes like a weed. She's bolted. Once it's bolted, you're buggered. Yeah. So that's defo happened. And that really causes me a lot of stress. When it bolts. Yeah.

So many so much rocket pesto you can eat in a salad. I don't think there is, actually. Well. Why did you plant so much? Or you didn't know? Yeah, I didn't know. I had no idea what to expect. How many lettuces can you eat?

Oh, we have so many lettuces. Shame little Peter Rabbit isn't around. It's crazy. We've been, yeah, it's a lot. is it quite a full-time job yeah and i've not what i signed up for i did this to make it easier to make dinner and now i'm just stressed in the garden picking your lettuce we've got some green beans but they haven't been yet we've got tomatoes and they haven't tomatoed eitherces we've got some green beans but they haven't beamed yet we've got tomatoes and they haven't tomatoed either and we've got potatoes but they'll be coming later on in the year darling just grow a few sweet peas make you happy yeah you can put them in a vase yeah um but i mean so so

did you not want to live in london i would have thought maybe is that the last thing you wanted i was in london for like four or five years. Is it intrusive? It was, I just realised that I don't leave my house. I don't like going anywhere. And I don't, I get like, if I go out for lunch and then the restaurant, the tables are too close to each other, I get freaked out.

Really? And I never really was aware of it until I was with Ruben. And he was like, you you know you just like absolutely hate a lot of the things that you do all the time because I just I did I just felt like it was what I wanted to do in my head like yeah let's meet friends let's go to the pub but I actually just don't think I like it but do you think that's from being in the public eye at a young age and just it's it's kind of the after effects of that probably yeah just like lots of you know crowded spaces and just so your idea of heaven is having people to yours exactly having a bit yeah a big old garden get the barbecue on

people over and yeah that's and that's what we want to build that's what we want to create we've got this lovely house and we have plans to you know make it more our our. And we want to build a place that... And I get gifted so much stuff. I've got a spare set of makeup and clothes and everything. I just want a place that people don't even have to pack a bag. They can just come down, spend the weekend with us, and everything's all made up for them. And, yeah, that's how I would prefer it, I think.

Hotel Williams. Yeah, exactly. I thought that I was going to move to the country and then actually end up hating it and have to pretend to everyone that I'm loving my new country life and I was worried that I was going to be like oh where's Deliveroo you know all these things that I just can't where's my coffee shop

can't do any of those things and actually it's been so easy and I just thought I think this was the right decision to do this Beautiful I beautiful oh thanks mum that's good so mum's just like getting stuff ready thank you I appreciate you every day um okay Maisie we ask every day yes what their last supper would be so you're going to a desert island yeah and um you're allowed to have

a massive meal the night before yeah because you're not going to have this food um for a while uh starter main thank you mum just start to make help yourself to tell her what she's eating oh sorry okay so you're eating tequila chicken oh is that what we're having mum yeah tequila chicken the kind of bean salsa thing mexican rice apparently it's from and some avocado i mean it just looks so delicious help yourself tuck in get busy i will and start thinking about your last meal yeah that's such a difficult one spaghetti bolognese is my favorite meal And would it be your mum's spaghetti bolognese? Yes. What does she do that's so special?

I don't actually know. I guess maybe... Actually, I feel like for a long time she would have, like, freezer bolognese. And I feel like when you have it, like... One that she'd already made. Yeah. It tastes better. Exactly.

And so I feel like one that's been bubbling for a long time yeah um but now that you've said that i can have a starter and a dessert i feel like i have to go down like the italian starter route you don't have to yeah but then but then i feel like the overall meal might be less enjoyable because i've chosen to have like you're really thinking about this no one's ever really considered the complimenting you and Michael McIntyre are the only two that have talked about homemade spaghetti bolognese in all the years

and I do think it's such I love a spaghetti bolognese so I guess so because I'm having spaghetti bolognese I guess my starter will be... Jessie, I can't taste the catechila. Mmm, that's good. Is it?

Mmm. It is good, Mum. I haven't had a mouthful. It's delicious. Can I taste the catechila? I don't know. She says you can't really taste it. It's really good, Mum. it's delicious. Really fresh. Okay, so you're going Italian for the starter?

Yeah, Italian for the starter. I don't even know what I usually get for a starter now. Oh, I would have burrata. Okay. I love burrata. With a little bit of Maisie's rocket there. Yeah, exactly. With some of my rocket from home, some big tomatoes.

Do you want a drop of sauce? Yes please. It's only the juice from everything. This is nice mum. Whose recipe is it? Nigella. Oh, we love Nigella. It's so delicious.

We do. It is really nice mum. She loves a tray baked Nigella, doesn't she mum? Yeah. What's your pud? Are you a sweet tooth? I really don't have a sweet tooth. But I'm getting more of a sweet tooth.

What have I had recently that surprised me and I really liked? I had a panna cotta that was really nice. I feel like everyone's doing panna cotta at the moment. I don't know how I'm going to learn to make it because it's my favourite, favourite. Really? Yeah. Or what's the one, creme brulee? Oh, I love a creme brulee.

Oh, yeah, that's good as well. But then I also feel like after I've had this like burrata and I've had the pasta, I always feel like I get really hot after a bolognese. So maybe I want like ice cream. But I can have ice cream. I love ice cream. Have the panna cotta and the ice cream. Yeah.

Absolutely, do it. And you don't drink much, I can see. No, I don't. No, I go through phases. So. Go through waves. What drink would you have with your meal i would have well i would ask the waiter for which glass of wine he think that i should have and i'd just have that i don't know a lot about wine i know when i don't know i feel like you know what you like yeah yeah but I also feel like they know what goes with the food sometimes, you know. Yeah, it's usually the most expensive glass though.

Yeah, I know. Have you noticed? Oh gosh, that's cheeky. I'm like, which one? But not that one, or that one, or that one. Because that looks like a waste of money. I know. And then you just feel like you look like such a tight bitch.

Yeah. I want to know what your pizza express order was. I used to get the pesto polo pasta. And then I would get the dough balls with garlic butter. So good. How do you find social media do you find it a kind of a bit of a labyrinth or do you feel like you've got a good hold on it i used to stress about it all the time and i used to say everything that was on my mind because that's what social media is built for right it's built for you to like have an opinion on everything and tell everything everyone what you're doing

every minute of the day and I used to do that and then like you know when people would comment on that it would be really like overwhelming of course definitely like I definitely was like very outspoken and I don't know angry I guess at injustice like when I was you know and I still am but you know I've just realized that there are other ways of like supporting people or causes and you don't necessarily have to well I mean you know that some of that is posting about things but I think that you can you can just do a lot of good because you've got a huge following do you feel a responsibility like um everyone get vaccinated and things like that yeah I used to and I still do you know post that sort of thing but it's not something that it's

like right at the bottom of my to-do list on a day, you know? But if someone asks you and they say, look, could you help us out here? Totally, yeah. But it used to be all-consuming, and I actually felt like I was just posting about things, but I wasn't really doing anything. And then people would be like, oh, well, you're just posting about it. What have you done? And then I would think, oh, God, what have I done?

And then I sort of went away and was like what have you got particular causes that you love yeah I really I want to sort of protect ocean life I think that you know there's a huge climate crisis and the it's kind of overwhelming to think of all of the different things that need to change but the main things that I focus on are the health of the ocean and uh the fashion industry and coming up with more suitable alternatives to what sustainable clothing exactly yeah and and just you know so the outfit you're wearing yeah is it recycled this is a brand called redone redone I feel like I don't know how sustainable what percentage that would be looks very nice have you found that it's made you kind of have to shun or not be able to work with certain brands yeah I mean definitely there there are some brands that I won't work with but I also feel like what is really what I kind of feel like is more makes more of an impact is to work with a brand that isn't

necessarily the most sustainable and find a project where they can be sustainable so I'm doing a thing with a brand called Caperna and they aren't necessarily known to be a sustainable brand they're a pretty boutique brand so you know it's not mass produced and everything that they do is of a really high quality but it's not necessarily sustainable and so we're working together on their first ever completely sustainable handbag and I think that is like makes more of an impact than just working with a completely eco entirely ocean because it becomes a bit of an echo chamber where the only people who know about that are the people who want to live their life that way and it doesn't really ever reach anyone who's

not doing that already and so although I you know say that there are definitely area you know brands that do need to do more i kind of hope that i could maybe work with those brands and we do something that is different but everyone's doing sustainable if you go on henny's website they talk about different sustainabilities and yeah yeah yeah i think everyone's trying yeah are people not green washing i'm sure people green washing that's what they call it yeah green washing and that is obviously the fear that is always the fear i work i started working with h&m recently who are obviously massive mass produced mass produced clothes and you know and some would say part of the major problem but i also feel like being able to live sustainably shouldn't have to be expensive and

the more that a big corporation like H&M who are such a huge income uh for you know different countries like if they were to say like we want to make these changes within our company then there's incentive for a government to then change their laws and their policies and their trading deals what did you what did you do with h&m i'm like their sustainability ambassador basically and so they have a couple of goals that they want to achieve they want to be like 90 sustainable by 2030 but i feel like they're already kind of on the way there at the moment i think that i have not brushed up on my numbers but at the moment they're sort of maybe 40 percent across the brand using more sustainable and recycled materials they've been investing H&M group have been investing in a lot of uh

new technologies where they take they don't just find a sustainable fabric but they take old fibers they smash them down and they grate them up and they turn them into a new woven denim and that's really great because not only is it a sustainable material but you're getting rid of some of the problem because we still have all these clothes and giving work to people exactly whereabouts do you live in london're here? Oh, I did live in... You're not going back to Sussex tonight? No, I'm going to stay up here because I'm working tomorrow. But I lived in Hackney for a bit and then I lived in Islington.

That's going to get you dessert if you're working tomorrow. What time's the call time? Oh, I haven't got it yet, but I don't think it'll be early. You don't have it yet? No. But you could be up at the crack of dawn. I don't think I will be. I feel like the

the call time for the whole shoot is 10 tomorrow so i'll probably be called at like eight which is fine because i usually get where are you shooting at the moment well they have been shooting in the old itv television studios because that's where the pistols did a lot of they did the famous grundy show there and they did something else but But they're about to knock it down. Oh, shoot. They're going to demolish the whole... They're moving to Television Centre, aren't they? Yeah, well, they've moved already, but that studio has been empty, which is why we've been able to take it over and do the whole shoot

there. But they're knocking it down and I think they're turning it into, like, a car workshop or something. Where is the ITV studio? Parking or something. On the river? It's right on South Bank, next to BFI. It's so... Oh, my gosh South Bank, next to BFI. It's so... Oh, my gosh. No, it's only strawberries.

They're my favourite. But I did buy you non-dairy ice cream. Oh, fam! Thank you. I had a friend over recently from America, and he could not believe how good the strawberries tasted. Do you like karaoke? Mm-hmm.

Favourite song to sing you ought to know by Alanis Morissette yeah we had her I know she was great I know such a good she was really she was really she was cool um so where do you like to eat out in London if you are going to go and eat out are there any places that you feel comfortable I feel like there are I have to think where do I go I used to not go out at all

in Hackney did it feel too chaotic I feel like there's good food in Hackney well there's Well Street Pizza oh were you around there I was around there's good food in Hackney well there's well street pizza oh were you around there I was around there for a long time I literally lived around the corner from there for like four years loved it well street pizza was good um where else did I go oh yeah love lardo I've had so many meals at lardo that was kind of the only restaurant that I would go to because

I wouldn't venture any further than that and And I knew it was good. So you love pizza? I love Italian food, yeah. Oh gosh, yeah. I'm just trying to think about it. I don't know if the mic just picked that up. I'm going to have to start up in my game with Italian food. No, I don't think you do.

I think you just leave it to the big... No, I'm sure you do. Do you want to start making your own pasta no it's pain in the ass no I mean you did it

at the start of lockdown yeah I did it with Luke at the start of lockdown well he did it and how much did you get like nothing no I know it's not a huge payoff

I will be and I've just got used to cooking pasta well and then it's a whole different ballgame when it's fresh. To make it, yeah. You've got, like, it's a different... Do you know, M&S do it. Alex and Antonio are getting M&S homemade pasta,

and they say it's as good as any homemade pasta. When you say homemade pasta, do you mean, like, meat and stuff? It's fresh egg pasta with pumpkin, and she served it for dinner. She said it was so good. Maisie Williams, do you have good table manners? My boyfriend would say

no. Why would he say no? Cheek. Is he very good? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Oh, is he? He's amazing. All of those things, he's very, very I am like the messy one because once I licked my knife and he was really upset about it. Where does he come from

um his family just raised him very nicely the four boys they had to right well I'm sorry he's never licked his knife no he doesn't like that what was on the knife something delicious delicious too good to just put in the wash yeah fair, fair enough. Yeah, I lick my knife. Save you on the washing up, then. I don't know. Listen. How long have you been together? Three years. Oh, you're almost married.

Yeah, we're getting there. One day, maybe. Reuben, if you're listening. Would you like to? Reuben, hello. Yeah, I think so. Who's designing the dress? He will. Oh, we've talked about it.

Get on with it, for God's sake. This is your moment, mate. Have you already had that discussion? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God, it would make sense. I've sat at a lot of tables, and I feel like a lot of people are happy to have me there, but I would say that some people would say that my table manners are maybe a bit questionable.

Well, I think you're a delight. I think you're fine. Thank you. Yeah, I think you... You had seconds. Yeah. Oh, I still haven't finished this. Keep going, darling.

Oh my gosh. Thank you for coming on this and chatting. Thank you for having me. I knew I'd like you, but... You never know. You do, you never know. We've got so much... I really...

And when I was on my way over here I was like I really hope I get to talk about my veg patch and we did we did I love Maisie Williams. God, I love her too.

I might even watch Game of Thrones. Mum, you've got hours of entertainment. Do you think? It's very saucy. No. It's very good. But is it a bit utopian? It's so good, Mum.

Or dystopian? It's so good. And she's brilliant. And I'm just... What a little treasure she is. A little treasure. And doing, like, a little pocket rocket. Just doing so much stuff.

She's just so interesting. I mean, you know, she makes films. She stars in them. She is making... She's looking for scripts. I mean, she's just doing everything. She's really fabulous. Whilst being, like, this fashionista.

I know, she's gorgeous. Working. I'm just... I'm so in awe of her. Me too. I wonder what it's like, you grow up like with adults, the whole of your, you know, her school was. I know. She's done, she seems to have had her whole world of life. I mean, like working with huge fashion brands on sustainability. I know, it's great. Mum, I know this is going to be very old, but I'm very excited.

Why? You can do my Peloton class tomorrow if you want. Darling, I can't even get on the pissing bike because... Well, they're doing a Jessie Ware bloody ride. Yeah, but... All the tunes. I can't do it, darling, because the shoes don't fit me and you can't ride the pedals without wearing the silly shoes. They're not silly'm not doing the tour de france i'm it's exercise bike well i was very

excited the peloton were doing a good ride good darling please can everyone tell me how they get yeah um thank you for listening and um we'll see you next week