Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S11: Extra Helpings 2

Episode Date: September 1, 2021

This week we have one more serving of extra helpings for you. This second episode includes some more of our favourite bits from the past year and a previously unheard conversation with Dan Levy. Hear will.i.am telling us about his Mum’s cooking and Lennie getting the giggles about muff diving @themuffkitchen! Tom Jones lets us in on some of Elvis’s unusual eating habits, Dawn French tells us about falling in love and Angela Hartnett chats about how her cooking journey began. Hear our tempers getting the better of us as we revisit our infamous argument in front of Paul & Mary McCartney...We’ll be back with a brand new series this Autumn! Listen, share and enjoy! X Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to this episode of Extra Helpings. I have some treats in store for you, some of our favourite bits and a bit of previously unheard conversation with the brilliant Dan Levy. He was in no rush to wrap our Zoom chat, even though potentially his publicist was, and we ended up speaking for over an hour and a half, which is quite rare for a Zoom chat, especially with a really massive international star he had so much time for us but he did kind of say it was because he was in a lockdown and he just needed some company but no it was there was a total spark there between us and dan so in this episode there's a chance to hear a little snippet that wasn't in his full episode for all

those schitt's creek fans out there but first i challenge you not to laugh or at least smile at this go oh mum mum mum actually i needed to tell you this so we put out um what would be mum's drag name now there is a most fantastic chef that you should follow she's a baker but also the greatest eater i've ever seen on instagram it is six oh lovely number six sorry i'm just doing an intro here sorry mom's checking the charts her name is martha delacy and she runs muff kitchen which is a really that's a bit rude well anyway she does do muff dining

muff diving do muff dining. Muff diving or muff dining? Mum, you're so filthy. She's going to love this because she's a massive fan of the podcast. And she does muff dining. Stop laughing. Stop. She's an amazing baker. I was going to get you a subscription to the Muff Titchens.

I can't. Well, I love Martha. She's really good fun. Because she's made my mum laugh the most she's really good fun because she's made my mum laugh the most she's ever laughed in about a year we had to include that because there's nothing like hearing Lenny get the giggles now if you need an extra installment of that you need to go onto the Instagram to see the video of it because that's also quite entertaining and you know it never stops me like cackling and that was um very much thanks to uh Martha Dacey Muff Kitchen so thanks babe we've

had some brilliant guests in the last few months we were so thrilled to have Sir Tom Jones over for a lamb shank in April and here he is regaling us with stories about some of his famous friends. He doesn't have that many and he doesn't like to talk about it really. No, Elvis Presley, he didn't like to go out. Oh, you're kidding. Just because he was too famous? Well, he said that.

I said, but Elvis, if you're going to have six fellas walking in front of you saying, get out the way Elvis is coming. I said, it's not very, you've got to dress down. You've got to, you know, you've got to put a hat on or something. Oh, did he always dress up in those suits? Yes, but he loved.

Oh my God. Elvis Presley loved being Elvis Presley. But he would say, oh, how do you do it, Tom? You know, how do you go? I said, because you go unannounced. There are places, you've got to make sure where you're going.

You can't go wandering about, of course, but it can be done. So, he would have dinner in his suite, and we would sometimes eat up there, but he loved junk food, you see. He used to keep a pizza under his bed. Oh my God!

Just in case he had munchies in the middle of the night. Oh my God! He's my kind of guy. I knew I liked Elvis. He'd keep a pizza under the bed! Cold pizza's great. But I was in Hawaii with him when I was in Hawaii. And he had pineapple on his pizza. Exactly. In 1969. And we went... I went to his house to hang out with him. Because he was staying in Hawaii and I was doing some shows there in 69 when I had my TV show.

So I went out to his house in the afternoon and we had hamburgers. Well, that was like the big thing that he loved, right? Yes. So that was it. I remember having lunch there, hamburgers and salads and stuff like that. Was he handsome?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Striking. Striking. I think that that's... I mean, he did sound different as well, mind you. But that was like almost an accident, you know, because he liked blues, rhythm and blues, gospel music especially.

But they wanted him to, you know, what are we going to do with Elvis? They didn't know because he loved a lot of things. He had a gorgeous voice. Yes. So we happened to trip over, you know, we're doing the first one. That's all right, Mama. You know, it was like that. So, but he had a different sound.

But it was his look, you see. Yeah. It was his look. He looked better than, you think of the most handsome fellow you've ever met. He was so beautiful, Jesse. You can't imagine. Honestly. And then he walks in.

You know what I mean? In his day, before he put on that weight, which was a shame that they've got footage of him like that because he wasn't i knew him when he was you know young and like that but he didn't wear the best outfits then but he loved you know he got into that you see that vegas thing that's vegas thing with the collar up and that but he loved it shoulders i mean he got married in las ve, you know, before he started working there. So, you know, he did love Vegas. Did you have a residency in Vegas? No, I used to go, well, sort of. I would play there when Elvis was there at the same time,

and Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis, you know, the Rat Pack and all that, in the 60s, late 60s, early 70s. I would do a month straight, one month per year. Two shows a night for a month straight. Your voice must have been... Unbelievable. Exhausted. Yeah, I got nodules on my vocal cords because of it.

So anyway, that was it. And we were all there together. So as far as food was concerned, I had to eat in... I tell you what I used to have. You're not supposed to. Come on. Exactly. I'm going to send you...

Jewish penicillin. I'm making some... Jewish penicillin. Exactly. I'm going to send you. Jewish penicillin. I'm making some. Jewish penicillin. Tom, I'm making some this weekend because it's Passover and I'll send some to you. Definitely. Mum, I'm actually really hungry now. Can we get the old lamb shank? Do you want me to?

I was looking forward to chicken in a pot. Oh, I'm so sorry. I thought I was going to have a Jewish meal here tonight. No, I love lamb shanks. Tell me about Frank Sinatra. Yeah. Nice guy? Yeah, oh yeah.

What did he drink? He drank bourbon and coke. And did you join him drinking that? Oh, yeah. One night, I'm walking through the casino in Caesars Palace to go and see Sammy Davis. Yeah. I was following him in.

Who also sang really well. Oh, great singer. I mean, actually amazing. A nice Sammy Davis. Yeah. Right? I was following him in. You also sang really well. Yes. Oh, great singer. I mean, actually amazing. A nice Jewish boy. Yes. So, so he said,

so I was going to go and see him. I was following him in. I was going to go into Caesar's Palace after, after him. So I go in a little bit early to see whoever was on. Yeah.

So I was going to, and I knew Sammy Davis, you know from 65 and so I went in there this is about 1970, 71 somewhere around there and so I'm walking through the casino past this Galleria bar which was a big bar in Caesars Palace on my way to see Sammy Davis and I hear Thomas and I said oh that's Frank so I turn and he's there at the end of the bar roped off you know nobody else could go in there right and uh so he says Thomas come here and he

tapped the stool by the side of him so I said well look I'm going to see Sammy Davis he's going to be going on anyway he can wait he said I said well I wouldn't want to be the one to hold a show up no no he said just a quick drink you know you won't be late so I sat with him and I had a he was drinking I said what are you drinking he said bourbon and coke he said that's what I like okay great so he had that I can't remember what i had and um so we were sitting there and a young lady came past and said oh my god frank sinatra and tom jones together oh my god like this right could i have a picture she came up with a little camera to take a picture of the both of us and he said frank sinatra said if you want a picture there's got to be a good one so he calls the camera girl

over there's working there in the thing and he said this young lady would like a picture of tom and myself so let's have it done properly not with that little camera that you have sweetheart he said and and that was it and i thank god that happened because i have the picture now oh you know a proper picture of the two of us at the bar it would have been you know i wouldn't have had it otherwise we honestly could have listened to tom jones stories all night he has one for every famous person on the planet i think um the most lovely man just such a joy to be around but on to another brilliant storyteller now this is dawn french who came over for mum's chicken soup last autumn here she is telling us the story of how she met her husband in my family because my mum ran the rehab oh really that was my mum's work so my mum was a bit of a social worker like you she was

um but my mum set up places that women young women and their kids could stay together while they were in rehab that was her kind of big thing you keep families yeah yeah there Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a place in London like that, Phoenix House. She advised the government for a little while about this because it's very successful. But anyway, she then wanted to set up another place, a facility, I think that's the right word. And she wanted Mark, who was a colleague of hers, to head it up.

So when my mum retired, Mark took her job. So he's the chief exec of hammo's house which is a charity that helps people with drug and alcohol problems and all the affected others and i was writing a novel my second novel and in that novel i was writing a character that was a bit of a coke head and in my family if you need to find out about serious drug addiction you should speak to your mum because that was her work so i called mum who had retired at that point who said to me you need to go and talk to Mark and I thought who's Mark oh yeah Mark her friend her colleague but this time I was single so I've been how old are you just tell me this is nine years ago I'm 63 now so nine ten years ago so 53 54 so I thought yeah okay I'll go do my research for this book so I

called Mark up and I said mum says you can help me talk to some people that have done lots of coat and he said okay and what I really admired is both my mum and Mark although my research was important what was more important was that the people speaking to me should feel safe and what was more important was that the people speaking to me should feel safe and protected and happy to talk to me so I love that everybody was secure so we go up to his office and he has set up a young man and a young woman to speak to me to answer my questions honestly and help me with my research but in his office right it's hard on on a podcast to explain this but in his office right now it's hard on on a podcast to explain this but in his office he had a white wall there right and he had a window there and he had put the two chairs for the people talking to me in front of the window so i sat down and they were sort of silhouetted which was not the best

way when you're doing research you need to see people's faces and i thought he's done the furniture wrong but i can't really reorganize the furniture he's done this kind thing did you do it on purpose no it's just the way he doesn't think about it's not aesthetically connected so anyway they sat there and I was thinking I can't quite see them but anyway all right they answered all my questions they were lovely helpful after an hour he came in and said well it's a cup of tea or you know just sort of get finishing the meeting up and then he sat down in the same place. So he's now silhouetted, right? Did he look good silhouetted?

Well, yeah, but I couldn't quite see him. So some would say, yes, very good. So anyway, he's the silhouette against the window. I'm here with the white wall behind me. And I'm actually thinking, I've done my research, I'm ready to go. I'll just wind this up. So you didn't fancy him straight away? Not at all. And I had met thinking, I've done my research, I'm ready to go. I'll just wind this up. So you didn't fancy him straight away?

Not at all. And I had met him a few times. He's now covering his face. I know. I had met him a few times, but he's my mum's mate. He's my mum's colleague. He's, you know, in her life. He's professional.

No. Professional. He was free. He was at that point, but when I'd met him before, I wasn't, so I wasn't looking, you know, all of that. So he's just a lovely guy, just lovely guy helping me out. So he's sitting there with the, with the window and the light behind him. And, um, I'm literally filling time while I just being polite, just going, so how's your life, Mark? Um, in my head, I'm thinking, not, I'm not really that

interested, but anyway, talk if you'd like. Um, and he starts to talk and he's talking about his children children his beloved children who went to live with him in you know when he got divorced and as he's talking about his children no word of a lie behind him out in the world there was a cloud but the sun came out from behind the cloud and sunbeams like from god came in through the window bounced off the wall behind me back onto him like fellini had lit him oh my god so he's just talking about his kids and i literally go from just listening to oh my god oh my god look at him it was got heaven sent it was like that now my mum of course when I later told her about this, said, that is your dad.

My dad died when I was 19. So that is your dad saying, look at this man. He put the spotlight on him. Honestly, it was really like it. It was like that on his face. Blue eyes. I shouldn't be too nice about him while he's sitting here. I can see that.

But anyway, it was just like, I thought, God, look at him. Like breath gone. I have to know this man. I have to know this man. So anyway, I left there feeling a bit fluttery. And I went home and I called my mum, who he was a great friend of.

And my mum had known him for years, you know, colleagues. And I said, mum, seriously, I think I'm a bit sweet on Mark. So she went, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Why does she say that? I said, what do you mean? she went, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Why does she say that? I said, what do you mean? She went, oh, too young, far too young for you.

I said, how old is he? And she said, well, I can't, I don't know how old he is. I said, well, so what are you talking about? Anyway, we had a bit of a moment, and I love my mum, like you love your mum. And I thought, well, actually, if my mum thinks this is wrong, I would listen to that. Anyway, put the phone down.

I thought, bit odd, bit of a strange response. But she called me back and she said, I'm so sorry about that, but he's my friend. And it's a bit weird. Yeah. She said,

but of course you would like him. She said to me, because after your dad and your brother, he's my favourite man in the world. Oh. So then he and I got together and then sadly my mum died

but when my mum was dying she knew we were together was she young when she died? 77 yeah young but as my mum was dying she said I can go because you've got him so it's got a bit of a sort of guarantee which is good

so you better live up to it mate so that was very touching you know he just puts things up here but it was a really beautiful ending to the story yeah it is yeah but you know how you said sometimes you're not even looking at someone and they're right under your nose we love hearing about our guests families on the podcast and we hear a lot about people's mums here is will i am on zoom telling us about some of his mum's cooking my mom cooked the meals we ate spaghetti that was like my mom's favorite wow what sort spaghetti bolognese with like a ground turkey because my mom

didn't like the idea of eating beef so my mom made spaghetti bolognese a lot that was like you know she was uh super happy when when that's what we were eating for dinner did you like it yeah it was that's like one of my mom's favorites that i love my mom's goulash. Yeah. So my mom made goulash. That was delicious. My mom's pancakes. Oh my Lord, Jesus. And they're crispy, just the right amount of crisp on the edges. Like get out of here. That's happy moment for me. How did she make them? Like, what was her trick? Was it just like the right oil that she used or what was like, is there something in it that we should all be doing? I don't know, but I try to to I try to do my vegan version of it that doesn't turn out right but I like my vegan pancake that I make um so but we weren't vegan growing up I've been vegan for four years now um so growing up what

else did my mom make that was delicious oh Thanksgiving dinner was like oh oh wow yeah like her turkey was amazing her ham was awesome her stuffing was get out of here my mom's freaking uh what else did she make that was delish um macaroni and cheese what so she was a good cook you really you like you yeah yeah i love cooking yo do you what i made Do you? What I made last night? What? Okay, come on then. Last night I made a pan pizza. Okay. A pancake pizza. No, I got it, mom. I need to know what the vegan, like, I need to know this.

So I was like, I don't have pancake dough. I mean, I don't have pizza dough. I was like, what if I make a pancake, but instead of putting, you know, sweet stuff in the batter, like cinnamon and a little bit of brown sugar, why don't, and a banana to give me the thickness because I don't have an egg. Why don't I make the pancake, but put olives in it and some jalapenos in it and a little bit of garlic in it and blend it up really nice. a little bit of garlic in it and blend it up really nice. Put that and cook the pancake, make it really thin and then put like marinara sauce and then my grounded impossible meat and then my vegan mozzarella and then bake that. And then automatically the pancake is going to turn a little bit more crisp. and then and then i put some basil on like yo my pan pizza get out of here i even named it i named it i was like yo this is a pan pizza

my pan pizza was the bomb so this is the next endeavor for you like forget tech forget philanthropic thing this is pan pizza is going to come to everybody like in a year or two. No, no. And that's just vegan. This is this is for me to like for my friends and family. Like, yo, check out my panquets. Have you ever had a panquets? My panquets was the bomb. OK, what else did I make the other day?

Oh, I did a quesadilla with my impossible. So I love that. But here, check out how I did it, though. I got my flour tortilla. I made my my impossible meat with green onions and then green bell peppers. I kept a really greeny and then my cilantro and then a little bit of freaking cheese in the inside. And then I baked it. So the cheese melts in the inside and then I put a bunch of like mozzarella and cheddar cheese and then I put some hold up then I put some Nando's lime sauce in a cup put that in I mixed it and I put the cheese and the Nando chili sauce in the microwave. I melted it and then smothered the freaking quesadilla with that.

And then I put, yo, yo, yo. It was like the bomb dot org. Cause I organized the whole thing. It was, it was so fresh. Will. I am not only is, you know, a pioneer of Tesla and all of that, he's now created the pan pizza. It sounds actually pretty good. I'm sure it was delicious, although not quite as good as the food our next guest makes. Angela Hartnett, who joined us over Zoom in January. And mum asked

her how her cooking journey began. It started when I was in Cambridge. I went to the poly there, Seacat, went to the poly there. We all like everyone, so what am I? I'm 50. So everyone of that, that was probably the last year of free education. I still had a grant. And after we finished, everyone was in debt. So we all stayed another year, worked our debt. And then I started working in a local pub called the Blue Ball. Then I worked at the Free Press and then Midsomer House. And after Midsomer House, I started to get serious about it. Worked in Barbados for a bit and then came up to work in London. Came back sort of home, if you like, lived with my mum and then started working for Gordon. And then worked for him for about 20 years, you know. And I suppose what you say, the rest is history. You know, got a restaurant.

Did he shout at you? Yes, a few times. Has to be said, yes. Bloody hell, you don't look like the sort of woman who would let someone shout at you. I don't think it's whether you let it happen or not. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It sort of happened.

And, you know, Gordon did like me. And we, I mean, we still talk a lot and he's a great mate and stuff like that. But, and because I sort of, I wasn't sort of fearful of Gordon in a sense, you know. I was, I would sort of come in and just laugh and sort of random stories. And he sort of liked the fact I was a bit. There was one time he was, he basically told me in a few expletives to sod off the past.

I wasn't allowed to help make this terrine because I was rushing it. And then later that night we had a film crew in and they were filming Gordon. And he said, right, Angela, get everything for the tree. But he didn't want me to help him because I'd messed around and got it all wrong. And then I thought, you know what? He's never going to shout at a woman in front of a film crew. So I just stood there and just started helping him. And under his breath, he was literally going, Angela, you know, sod off.

You know, you know, you don't say that. I was going, yes, Gordon. Yes, Gordon. I said, but you're not going to get rid of me, are you? Because there's a film crew here. So he loved that about me that I'd always push it and stuff like that so what does the pass mean I never understood it till great British menu and then they say ready for the pass and I didn't know what the pass was just where you pass it on to oh you just pass it on well it's basically where you plate all the dishes but exactly that you're passing it on to the waiter so you've done your bit yeah so is that exactly like that very good Jess you know

working with someone like Gordon Ramsay did it change or did it influence the way that you treated your staff when you became you know when you had your first restaurant and did it change it? Did you, did you follow a lot of Gordon's ways? Style? Or did you kind of reject them? I think there's probably a little bit of both there. I think there's lots of, everyone obviously sees the TV side and the shouty side of everything, but there were lots of other things that you didn't see about Gordon,

how he would really always support you behind the scenes, you know, and always take care about what you did. And one thing him and another chef, Richard Corrigan, always taught me was sort of not get under the skin, but really know your staff, you know, know when they're going on holiday, know if their mum's not well, know if they've got a boyfriend, girlfriend,

what their dog's name is, all those sort of things. And, you know, take a real interest, you know. And also I think, especially in those days in London, you know, take a real interest, you know, and also, I think, especially in those days in London, you know, everyone's working hideous hours, which isn't the case these days, travelling fast. So when someone's late, or they've overslept, and you know, they've had an hour journey on the night bus, you know, you just got to understand all that. And that's what Gordon really sort of did. He said, you know, you just talk to your staff and really get to know them. And then they feel a real sense of loyalty to you and likewise you to them you know you want to

make sure that they want to work for you for all the right reasons so there was you know there wasn't I don't scream and shout I can be a bit sarcastic shall we say I can be a bit you know I threat you know and I'll go things like I'm going to lob that in your head. But I've always got smiles in my eyes, you know, so I don't sort of mean it. But, you know, kitchens are like that in the sense that there's an urgency, you know, so you need to. There's an urgency that you're hearing people's voices, but it's not necessarily aggression or bullying or anything like that. Who taught you to cook in your family? I suppose I learned with my mum and my grandmother. You know, I sort of, on my mother's side, they're all Italian.

On my father's side, they're Irish. And as the eldest granddaughter on my mother's side, I always had to help and do all that sort of stuff. My brother, who's older than me, never had to sort of help because he was the boy and the boys don't do anything, but the girls had to. So I did it all. So I learned a lot from my grandmother, so she was a really good cook what was the defining dish that she taught you that you've kind of stuck to oh Annalena it's my it's my uh

death dish I suppose what dish would I sort of want on my deathbed and it's basically you braise down a piece of sort of beef and maybe some chicken and stuff really slowly slowly then you've got this beautiful lovely stock you take that stock reduce that and add that to bread crumbs and parmesan and that's your filling now for your sort of little um annolini so you put that into your pasta and then cook those in a chicken broth and we have it every day every christmas on christmas day and it's become a thing you know i always always used to have to make it with my grandmother and she'd make it for the whole family she's obviously since passed away so then my mum and aunt would do it and now i do it so every time around the 16th around that time there's a whole

email's going out right who's helping with the ann analini we all get together as a family so my cousins come my uncle comes partners come we all make them freeze them and then everyone has them on Christmas day um Angela what is a guilty pleasure of yours or do you have no guilty pleasures when it comes to eating my worst guilty pleasure is crisps if you can argue them as a guilty pleasure love crisps aren't they the best but i love the flavor and plain crisps plain crisps i'm very regimented i don't like fancy flavors just like salted crisps and the real guilty pleasure is a crisp sandwich it has to be said you know crisp sandwich angela hart i love it white bread is jesse it's the best thing white bread white bread you know really you know the rubbish white bread. You know, really, you know, the rubbish white bread everyone says we shouldn't have, you know.

It's like that's the best bacon sandwich. All this sourdough nonsense. Sorry, just white bread on certain things is the best. You've got to. You've got to. I'm such a sucker for a crisp sandwich too. Shout out Sons and Daughters and King's Cross for their truffle crisp and egg mayo.

We love it. The brilliant Angela Hartnett there. We loved having her on the podcast. Now, as you know, cooking can be stressful and sometimes our tempers can get the better of us. This often happens before the guests arrive and that's usually the best place for that argument. But on occasion, it happens in front of our guests. So we thought the most important guest probably we've ever had on we'd have a massive barney and that was in front of Sir Paul McCartney we went to his offices in Soho for lunch there was

all sorts going on mum had a bad back she was on some sort of painkiller she brought the food from home and the microwave wasn't working in the kitchen so when I asked her to be a little bit quiet with a Paul's daughter Mary McCart, it didn't go down too well. What is a very memorable meal from your childhood, Paul? Pancakes. Oh, was she good at pancakes? Pancake Tuesday. Did you have it not just Shrove Tuesday? You had it every Tuesday?

No, no, no. It was just Shrove Tuesday, but that was so exciting when it finally came around. Were they like crepes? Yeah, but you'd just make piles of them and you'd go, whoa, can I have another pancake? What was your filling that you'd chosen? Lemon and sugar? And I like sugar. Yeah. Which in those days were white sugar.

You didn't, nobody knew there was such a thing as brown sugar. Yeah. But white sugar and then lemon juice. This looks delicious. And then roll that up. Smells good. Was your mum a good cook? sugar and then lemon juice coming this is delicious and then roll that smells good was your mom was your mom a good cook yeah she was a good cook just having a chat we're doing a program here edible flowers we thought you know they feel they look so healthy like to eat flowers and the color

anyway so sorry so your mom your mom used to do what was anyway sorry so your mum used to do what was the meal that your mum used to do she would do what I'd call traditional British food chops steak rarely you know beef

scouse Jessica what I've really not educated her it's a stew Scouse, which is Liverpool. Scouse. Jessica, what? Where have you been? I've really not educated you. No. It's a stew. Scouse is a stew.

I thought it was going to be something about Liverpool. It's like an Irish stew. It's a famous scouse. It's like an Irish stew. And then if you don't have the meat in it, they call it blind scouse. I'm sure that's not very PC, but that's what they call it blind scouse which i'm sure that's not very pc but that's what they call it don't know who may love um yeah so she would do all of those things much time to cook

if she because she was the midwife she was a nurse midwife sister in on a ward yeah and uh her mode of transport was a little bicycle little bag bag on the front. It's like Call the Midwife. Mum's obsessed with it. She loves it. That's her era. And her name was Mary. And it was Mary. So you're named after.

Mary Patricia. And so Let It Be as well is about her. The song Let It Be, yeah. Mother Mary. Oh, yeah. Because I had a dream, and I woke up after the dream and she had come to me in the dream. So it was a lovely dream because she died a few years before.

You were 14, weren't you? When I was 14, yeah. So she died probably six or seven years before that. But here she was in a dream. And it's a miracle when someone you've lost is was in a dream and it's a miracle when someone you've lost is there in the dream and you go wow, great to see you

you know, this is great because all the old feelings come back, you know, it was pretty emotional, yeah and I was in a bit of a rough state 60s, doing too much of this and too much of that and she sort of looked at me in the dream and she said don't worry son, it it's gonna be all right.

It's all gonna be all right. Just let it be. Do you want to help yourself? Yes. Do you want me to do a play? Yeah. And did you, when you woke up from that dream, did you feel like things changed?

Do you feel like you calmed down a bit? Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah yeah and uh i thought and you wrote a great song it was actually a great thing for her to say you know i mean you work it out it's actually me and my brain saying it yeah in the dream it was her saying it and i thought wow that's really good advice you know just let just let it be. So, yeah, then I wrote the song. She should have read it on that one. She should too, shouldn't she? Titled by Mary. Oh, yeah, he's not a Korean.

But, yeah, her stuff was very traditional. And the only one thing, I mean, I didn't like everything we had. Yeah. Because, you know, we're typical kids. I don't like that. Oh, I don't like that. The one thing we really wouldn't go near was

tongue mum I love you so much we're having a moment too Mary listeners listeners this is a little family dispute it's going on here

I'm sorry but these women are completely out of control. We'll hand you over now. Do you two fight at all? Do your family fight? I feel like you're so polite to each other. Yeah, occasionally. But we don't think this is fighting. We just think we're disagreeing.

You tell me to do the food. You sit on your arse. And then I do the food and then you're telling me to be quiet listen we'll discuss this later

thank you I'm sorry about this listeners but we'll I think we'll now take a little piece of music stop trying to get allies mum no I wasn't

Mary was Paul McCartney's apologising to our listeners he obviously you don't realise this happens in every episode Paul You don't realise this happens in every episode.

Oh dear. He didn't actually seem to mind though and he was very happy apparently that we kept the fight in, Mary told me on text. And it was so amazing to hear about his mum and how the song Let It Be was all about her. Now, as promised, a snippet of previously

unheard conversation with the wonderful dan levy the table manners team are all big fans of shits creek and we were very excited to have dan on the podcast so i indulged some of our team and asked him some questions from them dan i wouldn't do this, but I have on like our team of people are so obsessed with you. They have questions for you. Okay. And I'm sorry about this. Never apologize.

A little quick fire. You can, you can just like, you can, you can say these very quick. Okay. So this is from Peter, my manager, who is trying to like stop what he's, he's really slowing down his intake of Schitt's Creek to kind of savor it. That's what we all have to do. Ate it all up.

What's your favorite Moira wig? Oof. Well, it depends. Has he gotten to the end of the series yet? No. Well, it's, it's. Yeah, obviously. The wedding.

Yeah. Yeah, okay, fine. Me too. And are you watching Drag Race? Do you watch Drag Race? I do. I do. I dropped off only because the past, I would say the past couple years have gotten very work heavy.

You need to come over to the. But I've heard about the UK. And I heard about. The UK one is sublime. This season in particular is like so good so I know Michelle and

it's you know yeah I need to catch up ultimately the best thing on the menu at Cafe Tropical Tropicana isn't it? Tropical darling with a knee um it is the mozzarella

probably the mozzarella sticks and even then it was that was a tough day to get through those mozzarella sticks were not the cafe excels and maybe it's decor but it does you know i loved her yeah my sister did such a lovely job with Twyla. She was such a lovely... Twyla was... Is your sister as sunny as Twyla? Yes. Or is she a cowboy?

That lovely smile. She is... My sister is, and I say this as her brother, but also as someone who would tell you the truth. Her and my dad have inherited... And that's not to say my mom isn't sweet, but my mom and I have a bit more of a we have like we have a bit more of a chip on our shoulder um my sister and my dad are just together have she inherited this kind of like open lovely sweet my sister is the sweetest

human being and i think there's always something incredible about being a person that nobody can say a bad thing about, which is certainly not me or my experience, but definitely something for my sister. So, you know, putting her in that role and having her be this incredibly optimistic person who, despite a life's worth of struggle and strife, has maintained this kind of naive optimism was such a lovely thing. And especially in the last season, getting to watch her grow and really sort of spend a couple episodes on figuring out who this character was outside of the cafe. And then ultimately to, I don't want to spoil anything for people who haven't seen it. And then ultimately to, I don't want to spoil anything for people who haven't seen it. Yeah, you can't say it.

It's such a good thing. The fantastic, lovely, gorgeous Dan Levy there, who helped us get through lockdown by creating Schitt's Creek. Thank you, Dan. Thank you, Catherine O'Hara. Thank you, Eugene Levy. Thank you, Annie Murphy, who's also been on this series. Just so good.

That's it for this episode of Second Helpings. Thank you so much for listening. We're going to take a short break because probably by the time you listen to this i will have a newborn baby and i need to focus on that for a few weeks and mum needs to sharpen the kitchen knives for a whole host of season 12 guests this autumn we're going to come back with a bang but we need to recuperate um so thank you so much to everyone who has listened to table manners who makes it so much fun who keeps us going thank you to all the

guests who come over and are up for a laugh or a goss or an extra glass of wine in lenny's case um we absolutely love doing table manners and we can't wait to bring you season 12 this autumn lots of love. The music you've heard on Table Manners is by Peter Duffy and Pete Fraser. Table Manners is produced by Alice Williams.