Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S13 Ep 19: Self Esteem

Episode Date: June 29, 2022

LIVE from Birmingham Town Hall, the divine power house that is Self Esteem joined us in front of a wonderful audience.Back in the city mum went to University, we chat over delicious food from Brum’s very own Joe Lycett’s recommended restaurant Zindiya - and talk all about how she became a pop star, her love of Mexican food, honey and toast nights with her family & her grandma's shiny scones. Rebecca, you are remarkable, such fun and deserve all the success! Listen here Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hi Birmingham, how are you? It's so lovely to be back here and thank you for coming to our live podcast. We've travelled up today, I've asked Joe Lycett for the best food recommendations. He's given them to me. You may have the fragrant smell of Zendaya on stage. Zendaya? Zendaya? Have I said it wrong? Zendaya. See, I was saying it fucking wrong.

Right, there you go. I'm Jessie Ware, but we all know why thank you babe but we all know why you're really here don't we shall we bring her on please give it up for lenny hi Hi. I'm actually your warm-up act. You are really, darling. I don't know how I feel about this, actually. Jessie, I feel so at home here.

Do you? University of Birmingham, 1970. No, they're not 1970. No, they're not 1970. No, they're not. How old are you? You weren't there. Because of Lenny. We weren't there.

We love education because of Lenny. What did you get for your degree, Mum? Did you work hard or did you hardly work? I did work hard, but I also went to, I don't think they even have it, Aston University, the disco. Yeah, great disco. I used to go to the Rum Runner.

Is that still around? The Three Tons Pub. Curry and Sally Oak. Yeah, still good. Yeah. I feel like you could say anything at this point and they'd go, yeah! And what

was most special coming here was that I saw David Bowie here do Ziggy Stardust and Curtis Mayfield and Sweet doing... Does anybody remember Sweet? Glam Rock, Sweet, yeah.

How do the songs go? Blockbuster. Was it a good song? Blockbuster, yeah. Was anyone else at these gigs with Lenny? No, I don't think so. Not even Alan Bowen? Is Alan Bowen here?

Where is he? Oh, bloody hell, no heckling Alan. Yeah, you love Birmingham, and I love Birmingham. I always have a good gig in Birmingham, and I feel like tonight's going to be exactly that. Yeah, it's very... Well, she's not singing. I'm not singing tonight, no, I'm not.

But we have got a fabulous singer coming on, haven't we? Yeah, we do. Now, you probably know of her. She won the Guardian's Best Album of the Year. you probably know of her. She won the Guardian's Best Album of the Year. She is extremely important. She is sexy. She is witty. She is delicious. She makes anthemic, important music. She likes a bit of pleasure, and she likes to prioritize that. Her name is Rebecca Lucy Taylor and she is self-esteem. Please give it up for self-esteem. I can't call you self-esteem, but I'm calling you Rebecca tonight.

Hello, thank you. And you sit next to Lily. Oh my God, hello. Shall we get the drinks going? Yes, please. Hi. Oh, that was... No, you have to say? Yes, please. Hi. Oh, that was... No, you have to say hi a bit louder.

Hi. Hi, Rebecca. I am... It's not old Anne-Marie. Don't worry. I am legit. I did the double in The Guardian, best song and album,

so I deserve to be here, all right? I can't do this. What have I done? Oh, darling. I don't want to pop somebody. No, it's fine. I can't. Let me. I can't see a woman in any pain or struggle. Okay, come on then. Without having to sort it. Right, do it. Sort it. Quite good at this, Rebecca? Well, yeah. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Better than me. It's a lot of my life, is this? Can I tell you? Thank you, darling. Wow, perfect. Can I tell you, thank you, darling. Can I tell you, my mum, we've done two other shows apart from this. My liver is ruined

because I'm on tour with my mum. It's ruined. We're getting through two bottles of champagne on the stage with it. So, yeah, don't hold back, Rebecca. We've got drinks. What's your drink of choice, Rebecca? Well, since I did the double

Yeah Only champagne You're like Liverpool Football Club I am very much like them So before the double, what were you drinking? Do you know what? I love shy lager Oh really? That's my favourite

Get her a drink, Jess Would you like a lager now?ager no because i like all this shit now really but um i'll drink i literally love love to drink booze well we met a couple of weeks ago and you were having hair of dog and there was a bloody mary i was like should we have some sparkling water and she went yeah no i'll get a bloody mary thank you so much no it's bad no it's fine it's what happened a mad. It's been a mad year. It's been a mad year and I've chosen to live it like Liberace.

But hold on, it's been a mad year but it's not like you've not been doing it. How many years have you been doing this, slogging away at the music industry? Yeah. I mean, I started, yeah, I left school and I was meant to train for drama school, but I just started a band, which was a terrible idea.

Do you wish you trained for drama school? No. I think that would have been even worse. Really? Yeah, I think my self-worth was on such a knife edge for my whole 20s that if you added in like, at least I could write songs and sing them. Okay. You know what I mean?

If I was waiting to be able to perform, I think I'd have gotten even more crackers. Well, look, cheers for the double. Cheers. Thanks, guys. And cheers. And listen, if you want to shite lager... Cheers, Mum.

If you want to shite lager, I'm sure... Well, I don't know if they even do shite lager in the town hall. Yes. What kind? Because I'm talking... What is it? What is it? Fosters Oh this is nice though

Sorry But enjoy What's this? Little Piper Hyde Zeke? Darling Do you know why I know that? Because once I spent my life

so skinned that I did a I used to do testing for you know, like... Champagne? Well, not champagne. It was anything. Smarties. Is this a job?

You know, you get, like, 50 quid to sit and, like, eat or drink stuff and give them feedback. And I was doing babysitting. Once it was Piper Heidze. This is when I was, like, 28, mate. I'll still do it now if I'm free. So, hold on. So, what was the weirdest thing

that you tasted um well the Piper Heidzig was a good one that was a good day you're like hold on I just need to check it again yeah and they get yeah I learned a lot that's why I'm so was it like a wine tasting course no it was like um toilet roll and smarties and I'm trying to remember now champagne ones you know what I'm saying now like consumer things probably you were there longer than it was worth the cash so what's on the rider now

tequila what kind of tequila just nice posh tequila I've written on the ride but do you kind of thisquila? Just nice, posh tequila I've written on the wall. But do you kind of... Because this has actually been quite... As you know, it's been a bit of a theme of this series that we've learnt about tequila.

Well, you've had, Jess. Because I knew nothing. Mum's still not learnt, and she's still got the sombrero on at home. I'm not sure about it. I heard... Well, they said it's the only upper alcohol. Did you hear that?

So I ran with that. Because we're replacing drugs with tequila. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So I've got the tequila with the sombrero. That's not the stuff to drink, is it? Oh, I'll put it in. I'll put it right in. So tequila, you don't discriminate. You just say nice stuff.

Yeah, I like the bougie stuff with that big globulous cork. Do you know the one? I think you had that. Is that Patron? Patron? That one's good. the one? I think you had that. Is that Patron? Patron? That one's good. Patron? I don't know.

I just toured in March and we sold Sheffield out, thank God. That's a tough. And they came in, they were like, we just want to say thank you and gave me this mad big bottle

of like porcelain bottle. Oh, yeah. Google that. Casa is so expensive. 350 bloody yeah. Google that. So expensive. 350 bloody sheets. I'd rather have that. It's still unopened. I'm like,

should I eBay it? It's quite delicious though. Is it? Yeah, it's really delicious. It's like on the mantle. So you grew up in Sheffield. Who was in the family and what were you eating?

My mum, dad and my brother. And it was a really like 5.30 tea on the table situation, which I crave now. Just because I'm hungry now. I liked the structure. That's when Jessie eats now. I love her. She's in bed by 8.30.

I mean, yeah. Hurry up, guys. Come on. So actually, we're past 5.30, but tuck into yeah. Hurry up, guys. Come on. So, actually, we're past 5.30, but tuck into the food if you want to. It's there. Just drink. We've got... Say it again.

Zindia. Your friend Joe Lycett's fave. I've had this literal green chicken in his kitchen. Have you? Green chicken? Does everyone know Joe in Birmingham? So, okay, you were eating around the table at 5 30 loads of like stew taters veg um a bit of like fish fingers chips and beans sort of thing i also still love that yeah my dad did a you know when you're older and you realize... Like your parents maybe were...

Why are you looking at me? No, I just mean... I'm noticing now what, like, corner cutting, remember when my dad did, but would brand it as an exciting opportunity. So on Tuesdays, there must have been something like... I had brownies and I think my brother must have been somewhere and there was some overlap

and there was no time for side of the table tea yeah and that was toast and honey night and I locked it up I was like and I got to sit as close to the telly as I wanted I can't imagine you in brownies oh shit I don't I feel like you would have been naughty or not were you well behaved I was I'm all I'm this equal parts like anarchist, but also like, sorry, sorry, please like me. So I made it work for me. I got the acting badge, singing badge, dancing badge. Was there a cooking badge?

Cup of tea badge, yeah. We literally had to serve someone a cup of tea and a biscuit and you got that badge. But I stopped. My sash was not full and I was there for years. Was it fun? Brownies? Yeah. No, I remember being... We were trying to go to Woodcraft Folk.

I went to Woodcraft Folk. Which was like, Jeremy Corbyn loved Woodcraft Folk. He still loves it. Did anyone else go to Woodcraft Folk here? I've never heard of that. It was kind of... It was hippie. Young international socialists. It was all about growing strong. It was kind of, it was young international socialists. It was all about growing strong.

Kish kish kosh. We are one blood, you and I. I will go strong like the pine tree and supple like the pine tree. Stuff like that. I've seen this documentary all over. But yeah, we kind of didn't get, did we get badges?

We all looked like Che Guevara. We get badges? No badges. It wasn't competitive. We all had these army jackets. It wasn't competitive, Jess. It wasn't a merit system, Jess. No, no, it wasn't. But so, okay, was your mum or your dad a good cook? Yeah, my mum was. I mean, Nan was, and that was like...

Did she live nearby? I mean, Nan lived just down the road, yeah. And she was more like baking and... Like, still now, could describe the the scones she would make you know they were just like shiny and sort of light but also really dense and no I've never had a scone since nor before there's any better than that specific recipe what would you have your scone with? Lather it with butter. Would you?

No, I like clotted cream. I do like scones. My mum... Do you say scone or scone? I don't. You say scone. I say scone. What do you say, Jessie?

I'll say scone tonight. I kind of flip. I don't know what I say, but my mum used to make them and we all used to like them. Did Gaga make them? Yeah, she did. What would a Brummie call a scone?

It's mixed. Oh, yes. We're so divided. all used to like them. Did Gaga make them? Yeah, she did. What would a Brummie call a scone? It's mixed. Oh, yes it is. We've learned nothing. Very divided. Sorry, I think my thing's making a lot of noise. Do you drink Yorkshire tea? Because you're from Yorkshire. It's been known, yeah.

Do you like a strong brew? Yes, I do. I actually don't drink much tea because it don't give you enough of a boss oh my god she's on tequila and coffee that's what she's on oh my god do you want a tea put two tea bags in it might help yeah just give you a bit more but now and again someone says do you want a tea and I go yeah and then I'm like oh oh, it's nice. Yeah, tea is nice. So a memorable dish that your mum made was, your grandma's was the scones. Yeah, the scones, toast and honey night. Love toast and honey night.

Like stew and Yorkshire puddings, like I used to be very excited for the Yorkshire puddings. Were they only on a Sunday? Yeah, and it's hit and miss. There was no way of knowing if the puddings would be a part of it. And how much did that affect your mum?

Did you have it with any roast? Or just with beef? It was stew. Big chunks of carrot. Big bits of onion. Mashed potato. Nothing green green actually. Which is why it was fantastic.

But yeah, like I was saying, in adulthood you realise how much of a ball like loads of stuff is. So when I was a kid I'd be like, no, lots of puddings. But now I realise she couldn't be arsed sometimes. That's completely fair enough. So can you cook?

Yeah, I love it. I really love cooking. It's the only thing that's relaxing because I can't turn it into a career. Well, you might. Get me on Bake Off, do you know what I mean? Would you do it? Yeah, I've started to have telly things happening because I love telly and I love British telly

so what's some of your top telly at the moment just like you know goggles you'd be great on Gogglebox I would I'm waiting for that call but I keep getting asked on game shows and I did one recently and I was very bad on it which one was it? House of Games?

I don't know this one have you heard of House of Games? I don't know this one. Have you heard of House of Games? It was Richard Osman. Oh, okay. He's a buddy of mine, so it was a bit of a like, oh, I'll get you on House of Games, and then during it,

I was like, I'm really bad at this, and I fried my brain cells over the years with all the Piper Heidrich, you know? So there's a big red buzzer, and I kept pressing it, and then being like... Were you good telly, though?

I imagine so. Me and Martin are fire. Both of us not being able to remember anything. Oh, Jesus. Five nights a week. It's going to be lovely. So you stayed in for five nights? No, what you do, peek behind the curtain.

You just get dressed up five times and they pretend it's the next day. Oh, my God. Maybe I shouldn't have said that. No, I... I just signed an NDA for House of Games. I was very bad on it. But do people get kicked out of House of Games?

No, you just sit there all day misremembering things. Oh Jesus, was there any food related things? There was no food. Like you get to Wednesday and I was like, well we'd have a beer on Thursday, wouldn't we? And they were like...

I was like, fuck sake. Oh, Jesus. Did you change your hairstyles each day? I did, no one else did. Oh, my God. I made it a parade. I'm wearing this. Fantastic, good.

I love that outfit. Thank you, it's a bit loud. No, isn't that what Mum said, yeah Thank you. It's a bit loud. No, isn't that what mum said? Oh, it's a bit loud. Does your mother have a big opinion on what you wear? She did for a long time, but now she knows it's utterly futile. So what did you think of the old album cover? We don't.

To describe the album cover, it is a high-waisted leotard. I mean, your legs look fantastic. Your body looks fantastic. To describe the album cover, it is a high-waisted leotard. I mean, your legs look fantastic. Your body looks fantastic. And it's very sexy. Thanks, babes. I love it. Yeah.

We're bombarded with images all the time of now bums are a thing, like fashionable. But we're often not. Like to have a big bum, it comes with lots of other bits and bobs, and rich people suck them out. Like, I don't know, chemically, or what's involved, but I was just... I thought rich people pumped them up. Well, I think they pump them up and then they suck other bits out.

Well, I wanted to know, speaking of that, do you think Kim Kardashian sucked a bit out to get into that Marilyn dress? She's literally had her bum reduced, like there's a whole critique of it, like she's like done with black culture and now she's, sorry I'm not getting on this horse live on stage, but that's who, you know, that to me is just like criminal and disgusting. So my album cover is me with thighs and everything. And, you know, it felt important to do that. It was, yeah, yeah. You can't have a nice fat ass without all the bits.

Don't let them think you can. But people are such dicks. And you put this thing up. You're very good on Instagram. You make me laugh a lot, especially when you're announcing a show or the lineup and you've got like different iconic women in telly that kind of come up but um but there was a recent post where you put up um a before and after of your album cover because people had the audacity to suggest that you'd photoshopped it yeah and um

and you showed the difference. And tell everybody what had actually been taken out. Well, obviously, as you can imagine, I really don't want to be photoshopped. But a photographer doesn't want to just shoot you. And then, like, they have a... It's their art, too, and you have to sort of... So the photographer I shot with likes to brighten everything.

And I've got this shitty tattoo. What's it say? It's just a slutty heart. How about I'm my fanny? Oh, wow. It's the most shit thing ever. Did you fancy the tattoo artist or something? No, quite honestly, we used to be like,

oh, it's so you can say, do you want to see my tattoo? Oh my goodness. I know, shocking how hard it was for me to get a shag back in the day. I had to trick him into visuals. So anyway, and I was wearing M&S tights because I never, never don't. Yeah, of course.

So for the image of the album cover, we had the tights removed and the tattoo, because my mum would die. Hopefully she won't listen to this. Does she know that you've got that tattoo? Well, this is the thing. If she wants to Google enough, she can. But I'm also like, it's all about communication, isn't it?

Yeah. If she wants to talk to me about it, we can talk about it. But I'm not going to be like... I've got feelings she won't. Where did your name, your moniker, self-esteem come from and why? I just thought it was a cool band name. And then over the years, it turns out it's what I didn't have and needed. So next, band's called Loads of Money.

I might have said that. Or I'm a cocky cow. Is that what you think? No, I don't think that at all. Oh, God. No, but your self-esteem has grown. Oh, yeah, I am a cocky cow. You're like the patriarchy mob, just fucking shoot a rope back down. There you go. Fucking your box self-esteem has grown. Oh, yeah, I am a cocky cow. You're like the patriarchy, Mum.

Just fucking shoot her right back down. There you go. Fuck your box self-esteem. No, I see what you mean. You mean... Yeah, you're confident. Well, I am and I'm not. No, but you just said cocky.

You're so old-fashioned, Mum. Am I? You're fucking old-fashioned. Cocky is a good word, though. It's a gendered word and I like it. I like to be called cocky. Mum's got big dick energy. That's what I've decided. Don't you think?

I have not. Don't you think? It's like cock out, there you go. The tights and the tattoo anyway, I photoshopped them out. I had to do a before and after because people were messaging saying I'd photoshop my vagina smaller. Oh my god.

And I was like, I've just got a really cute little vagina. Let me live me live also i didn't realize that one aspires to have a tiny vagina i'm like you don't the cards you don't okay who are these people making comments do you know what really upset me about that was it was women it was loads of women and and you can see like the patriarchy is ingrained and it's hard and it's wired it's wired in me sometimes like you have to untrain yourself but now and again I get shit off women on the internet and my heart just breaks I'm like oh but I did so I posted the before and after also to show what like photoshop is like I think people go photoshop and yeah it's been enhanced light-wise.

There's just a miscommunication about what that means. And piss me right off. I realised, though, on my first album cover, my lips are rather plump. And I did not know. And I was like, oh, God, youth. And then I realised, I was like, I think they fucking added something.

It's dangerous. They won't, like, yeah. Now it annoys me when I look at it. I'm like, those aren't my fucking lips. I don't really understand what photoshopping is because I thought it was to make you look slimmer. Mum, that's photoshop.

No, it is not. You can see my spare tyre, darling. Well, it's very exciting. When you're sat there and they're clicking on you. But for me, it's just so important not to indulge. So, you're a good chef. I am, actually. Your best dish?

I love to do Mexican. I like doing lots of little bits and bobs. I often send my best mate a picture of what I've cooked for dinner, and she's like, I can't keep up. It's a lot of dishes. She's a one-part girl. Rebecca, who are you cooking for? Well, I'll cook for you.

Would you? If you're ever free. Thank you. I've got a few lovers. Have you? I feed them. My mum and dad, actually, I did the pandemic with my mum and dad, both waves.

How was that? Were you locked down with them? Yeah, because I was in a shitty flat share. Not shitty, sorry. It just was hardcore living with people that you don't really know in a shitty flat share not shitty sorry it just was hardcore living with people that you don't really know in a global crisis it turns out so I got like the last train out of London on that first wave when it felt really apocalyptic and then I was there for months and months it really sped up the therapy process did you write a lot of the records then? Yeah. My dad's got a garage conversion.

Very proud of it. And I set up like a sort of desk space in there. And it was an amazing time in my life, actually. Because then I was like, you know, the world is shut down. I was painting and like working on my art. And I realised how lucky I am and much like I was really addled with like why not me why aren't I that and I want to be Duba Lipa you know all that all the time I used to be like and and in that moment I was like you've done it you're an artist full-time what more do you want

and that sort of weird mad self-acceptance happened during it. And then I had a good song go on. Good song, fucking cracking album. So it's annoying, though, when they say, like, stop wanting things and then you get them. Stop wanting cash. So who did the cooking during lockdown? Me, so that's my point. Every day, my mum and dad and i loved it going to

sainsbury's with my dad's card i loved it and i in that first wave i was like masked up gloves when my dad were very concerned about the covid i mean we all were weren't we so i was like the warrior that went to say getting more drink by the way. I was so scared. I used to wear a mask in the car and my son had got me one that I think they use them for when you're sanding a floor. Oh yeah, they're the good ones. Darth Vader. And I wore that

and when I breathed it kind of magnified. It sounded very peculiar. But I wore that on my own in the car in case anything came through the windows. Well, we didn't know, did we? We didn't know. No, we didn't.

It was so scary, wasn't it? It was scary. So who would be at your ideal dinner party? Oh. Cooking Mexican food. Oh, I'm cooking. Yeah. So I'd want to show off.

Well, you... Oh, shit. Sorry. She's off. Just like that. You both, of course, to start with. Thank you. I'll get Joe Lyser back round.

He can come. Would you? Yeah. He's such a foodie, isn't he? How do you know him? We just connected on the internet. Who slid into whose DMs? He slid into mine, actually.

Lovely. And then, obviously, I'm just... Like, he likes the same things as me, food and booze and having a laugh do you like gardening as much as him I do I love yeah that's my dream

his life is my dream like booked and blessed and nice garden and he's got one of those thin rugs in his kitchen is that a thing yeah it's like

the drag queen's he does wear that boa sometimes doesn't he lovely boas yeah but yeah he can come

wow this is me on my house of games I was like that boa sometimes, doesn't he? Lovely boas. Yeah. But yeah, he can come. Wow, this is me on House of Games. Anyone from Sheffield? Richard Hawley, he can come because you guys can reconnect. We love Richard Hawley. Mum got drunk with Richard Hawley at the Mercury's. And did you get drunk with him somewhere too?

I got drunk with him too, yeah. I think he drinks quite a lot. So I think the chances are most people who meet him get drunk with him. Okay, Richard's coming. He can come. Alex Turner can come and feel out of his depth. Let's intimidate Alex Turner a little bit.

Okay, fine. And then Marina Abramovich. She can be there. And House of Games Itis. I can't think of literally anyone Okay, fab. And... House of Games-itis. I can't think of literally anyone in the existence of planet Earth. Kylie.

Kylie? Why Kylie? Because I'd actually like to... She only has a small portion because she's only little. Yes, that's why. I'd like to pick her brains. Who else? Rita Ora.

She's good fun. Yeah. And she has a tequila brand, so there you go. Sorted. Drink sorted. I always use Rita Ora because my career's going better, but I still often do my makeup in the bog and, you know, getting changed in a lay-by.

And I always use wood Rita Ora. So, Last Supper. Starter, main, pud, drink of choice. Oh, my God. Okay. Starter, prawn cocktail, old school style, iceberg lettuce. Do you know how many people put prawn cocktail? Well, look, it's imprinted.

But it's interesting how it must have come back. No, but Sophie Ellis-Bexter said it in Edinburgh. Yeah. That's very interesting. We are very different women. It's the unifier. But okay, so you'd have that. Have you ever had a very memorable prawn cocktail?

I had one recently. Where can you get one? The Ivy. Oh, the Ivy. Who just said that? Up there. Were you with me? Were we on a date?

Do you like the one in the Ivy too? You don't like it? Oh, I thought it was delicious. Okay, great. I just love Marie Rose, you know? Oh, we've got some in there. It's Marie Rose. A person.

It's that pink. Google it. Get the iPad out. Is it? Let me know. Can somebody give me some information on Marie Rose and why tomato ketchup and mayonnaise became Mary Rose? I just want to know.

Maybe there's an interesting fact in there we don't know. Yeah, sorry to be dull, but a prawn cocktail I do think is just so delicious and it's the only socially acceptable place to have it. Apart from, have you had the best prawn sandwich M&S? Oh my goodness. In the band we're like, if someone gets the best one and not the bog standard one, we're like, if someone gets the best one

and not the bog standard one, we're like, somebody's doing well. And I'm like, must be paying a bit too much, I think. It's a real signifier of how you're feeling that day. So, prong cocktail starter. Main.

Fish tacos. Where from? I'm a fishy bitch. Maine fish tacos where is this because I'm a fishy bitch was that after a recent trip to America did you have

good fish tacos there yes I did I don't want to be one of those people that are like oh go on

you're allowed to best album come on you haven't had you haven't had good mexican until you've done south by southwest is that what you're about to say yeah was it really good there it was really good but also like just i love mexican food because it's just the i don't know the focus is on freshness and like it's like delicious without like too well like the the mexican food i like doesn't require too much butter and salt.

Yeah, I do. See, I hate it. Jessie loves it. The older I get, the more my tongue is dead. The more it needs to be awoken. Okay, so we've got Mexican fish tacos. The fishy dish. With what?

All the accoutrement. Which is? With what? All the accoutrement. Which is? Like cabbage salad, tomatoes, lime, guacamole, cheese, sour cream.

Yeah, lovely. You know, all that. So that's starter and main done. Then we've got... See, I would see fish tacos as a starter. To be perfectly honest. You don't like me to talk what I like to do on podcasts is not think about it

but no, what I mean is I maybe should have thought, because you're right I think you can add let her add another bit of something maybe she doesn't want to I'd be thrilled with that I love tasting lots of things and lots of textures

so are you a fan of the small plate? Yes, but I don't like... I like to know the sharing etiquette. I like to be like, this is mine. It's all about clear communication. Don't share with Jessie. See, that's where me and you go, oh, you love to share. I love to share and eat the most.

So I share. But Jessie orders the whole menu and eats it all. I fucking admire that. But pretends she's sharing. That's fine. That's communication, though. Now you know that about me. So we're going to order a double.

Perfect. Full menu twice, thank you. So you can add an extra thing. Maybe she doesn't want that. I don't feel like she needs to. Okay, you don't need to then. I think that, and then I suppose I'll have a... Well, you know when you have a cheeseburger from McDonald's

and you order it online and you can add bits? I didn't know this. I never knew because your daughter was online. Okay, you can do it. You can go plus, plus, plus on cheese, sauce, mustard, pickles. But doesn't that all come anyway? You can double it and you get this big sloppy fucker and it's amazing oh i don't know if they're going to stop us doing that soon but i would have a

cheeseburger mcdonald's cheeseburger chaser isn't the delivery charge more expensive than the than the hamburger yes and i and i pay it sometimes i just throw money at the problem and often the problem is my hangover I actually don't did you find like I used to and it and it died with my 20s so you don't like pudding so I'll have one all right what are you going to have so my favorite favourite pudding is, you know, Bakewell tart, but the Mr Kipling. Yeah. The one that's white with the brown wiggles. Yeah.

You know the one? Yeah. Big circle, brown wiggles on white ice cream. I don't think I've seen that. It's just like a big boy you can get. Okay. Who doesn't like puddings but yeah carry on so that's something you're getting

is that on your rider? no it can't because we're always we're always being well all the girls in the back they're a bit more quite and quite good than me but it's always a bit like you want to do what you can

in terms of of not arranging for things to be there but then you just get them anyway but yeah that with custard custard? what kind of custard? just like yellow horrible shit

the birds are you the little girl who liked cake and custard for dessert at school what's your drink? tequila Are you the little girl who liked cake and custard for dessert at school? Yeah. Yeah. What's your drink? Tequila. No, was it tequila, though? Depends on what kind of evening it is.

Or horrible lager. Horrible lager. It depends. Drink, drink, drink, drink. We've got another bottle we can bring. I'm smashed. I'm off stage, though, then. What am I going to do? Rattle around in my dressing room?

Drink. It depends on the evening. Fanta, nice icy Fanta. Oh, I love Fanta too. Makes you feel like you're on your holes. Yeah, it's just delicious, isn't it? I'm a sparkling water addict. Yeah, I like sparkling. Does anyone else?

Yeah. So you're going on holiday, a well-deserved holiday next week. I haven't been on holiday since 2016. Oh, shut up. True. That's how obsessed with making it I've been. Six years. Work's more fun than fun.

Oh, God. But, yeah, I'm going to Crete. Do you think you'll be able to relax? No. I'm already annoyed about how much the person I'm going with will be like, don't look at your phone. I'll be like, I'll be more stressful if I don't. Where are you going?

Crete. Oh, it's fabulous. Do you like Greek food? Oh, yeah. I like all food. Yeah, right, okay. I have a rice allergy, though, which is really, really... Yeah, tell us why.

How did you find this out? So I would get intense pain often, and it wasn't relieved by anything other than like seven or eight windies. For a peek behind the curtain tonight. For ages. And I went to, I paid private ones to see a doctor. And he was like, have you got a boyfriend? And I was like, no.

Why? And he was like, are you happy about about that and he was trying to like investigate basically like he thought that like my depression was causing this searing pain I was like it's all the uncle Ben's oh my god that is terrible really bad how old were you when you worked it out literally when I was in that flat share like 2020, 2020? Yeah, 2020. 2019. So anyway, kept going, kept asking,

kept trying to figure it out. And you would just never suspect rice. I stopped eating various, like gluten and all sorts. I tried everything and then I realized that it was the copious amounts of Uncle Ben's because I'm very impatient.

So that two minute bing bing. Oh, I love those microwavable. Oh, they're fantastic. I was doing a bit of living off that. And then I did one of those allergy tests that people will DM you on Instagram and say, don't do that. I've done about 10 of them.

They all tell me different things. Yeah. I shouldn't eat anything. They can be, yeah. They can be whatever. But this one, it just came back like 90% rice. I was like, oh, okay. Oh, how whatever. But this one, it just came back like 90% rice. I was like, okay.

Oh, how interesting. But I still, I suffer sometimes with like edamame or miso or cabage. So what would, is that a whole, yeah, I mean. There's no rhyme nor reason to this gut. Okay, well at least you know now. So yeah, but that was, it's been tough since then in terms of how much I like eating stuff. Yeah, it's, have the lemony potatoes.

Yeah, in Greece, you're right. But yeah, I'm going to Crete and I, I've never spent money on anything and I've spent money on it for the first time in my life. You've got to enjoy yourself. The person I'm going with is turning 40. So I've paid for it all, which I've not stopped going on You've got to enjoy yourself. The person I'm going with is turning 40. So I've paid for it all.

Are you going to remind them of? I can't believe it. We've emailed them and said, I'll Instagram and they've upgraded me. There you go. Good for you. I feel like a Love Island contestant. It's going to be amazing. What's a really nostalgic taste

that can bring you back to a certain moment in time good or bad cheese and onion toasty white bread toasty spiky shitty salad you know the one

toast in salad cream where were you having this so my ex used to live in this flat in Sheffield. She didn't even have internet, which I always think. Why was that? I don't know. Her and her sister just lived there, no internet.

And I still went round. So I was like, I liked you a lot. Loved her, yeah. And we used to play this game. We used to have this... We had to play games because there's no exactly exactly

and we had this cafe game where she would pretend to be quite a rude waitress it's not a sex thing it's not in a heart way just in a really funny way because cheese and onion plays part.

Yeah, no, no. It was a really time-consuming bit where she had to make toasties, and it always killed the mood. And we'd do this daft game where it was like, you know those cafes, and it's like a toasty and a salad that's inedible. You know what I mean? Those salad leaves that are like... What, like an iceberg lettuce that's been chopped up?

Not even. Those horrible, like, bagged up salads. It's like... And you have to douse it in salad cream to get it in. So she would make, like, a shit cafe toasty and side salad. The thing is, Jess is looking... Not really getting this, because Jess eats everything, really What, about the salad?

No, I'm just I think you should still go to theatre, Rebecca On this lovely holiday are you going to be in a hotel or in a villa? A bougie hotel Do you think they'll have karaoke at night?

I bloody hope so, because you know as great as it... Do you love it? Yes. Oh, me too. She hates it. I'll do that. Do. Yeah.

I do. Are you not like... No, she thinks she's too... That's what I'm like. No, no, she ruined it for me at Club Med when I was 16. Is that because I forced you to sing Whitney Houston? Yeah, it was fucking horrendous. Oh, so, okay.

when I was 16. They forced you to sing Whitney Houston. Yeah, it was fucking horrendous. Oh, so, okay. Not only like sing in Turkey and like the cute fucking, what were they called in Club Med? The people that worked there, they were always cute.

Club Med people, I don't know. Reps, something like that. No, they were called something else, but club reps, yeah, yeah. And they were always cute, weren't they? And they always fancied my sister. And so mum would like make my sister go and do acrobatics for the day because I fancied the Club Brats.

It was very weird. Anyway. Yeah, karaoke. Mum made me fucking do. I won the dance with somebody and I nearly died. I didn't. It was horrendous. And I'm in the back going, sink out.

She's like, not. The thing is, the thing is like, it's like when you made me go for a fucking pop idol audition. Oh, tell them. Did you? She did.

We, I mean, I've probably said this on the podcast. Have I said this on the podcast? Please tell me this. I did who was looking for a Maria and came back with my tail between my legs. Hold on, did you go on the How to Solve a Problem Like Maria?

Yeah. And? I knew it wasn't the How to Solve a Problem Like Maria? Yeah. And? I knew it wasn't the place for me when the camera was going down the queue and they were like, can you say, I'm Maria? And I was like... I refused, I refused. I was like, I'm going home.

So you've been such a fantastic guest. Oh, is it over? Well, it doesn't have to be. You can stay. I can't make it about me. Well, you're kind of you're kind of stuck in Birmingham tonight

you thought you were getting on your tour bus tonight I'm playing in Wrexham tomorrow big Wrexham show in Wales oh yeah

I've said yes to a lot of things and the boss was meant to be picking me up but now it isn't why isn't it Ryan Reynolds will be there eh

Ryan Reynolds will be there in Wrexham oh yeah he owns the football club. He does. See, a lot of people have said this. I don't think he's going to be there. I've just got this feeling he's not going to come and see self-esteem at the Town Hall. Hey, listen.

That's interesting. But yeah, Met Gala, Wrexham Football Club. I don't know, maybe. Maybe. Big self-esteem show, so maybe. Ryan Reynolds owns Wrexham Football Club. Didn't't know, maybe. Maybe. Big self-esteem show, so maybe. Ryan Reynolds owns Wrexham football club. Didn't you know, Jess? Why on earth?

Why not? That's a good point, actually. There is some reason why. Actually. Do you know? Does anyone know? There's money in football, Jess. I don't know about Wrexham.

I think if one makes loads of money, the first thing to do is be like, I want, you know... Oh, it's Ted Lasso effect! Of course! Oh, don't talk to me about that. Got close to a part in it. Did you?

Which one? I don't know. Juno Temple's one. A lesbian, obviously. Didn't get it, so fuck them. Don't put that in. I'm available for season four. I want to do like a pivot

you know like Gaga was astonishing and I in American Horror Story oh loved I feel like

you can do anything you damn well want Rebecca you are an absolute star and I'm so thrilled to chat to you

to share a birthday with you to share a table with you, to share a table with you, to be able to listen to your music and see how funny and brilliant you are. Please give it up for Rebecca. Oh, babe! Bye.