Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S14 Ep 12: Olly Murs

Episode Date: December 14, 2022

10 mins in and he had his top off! Olly and his abs joined us in Clapham this week to eat Ottolenghi's Courgette Frittata and florentines and what fun it was. Olly talks to us all about his X Factor journey, his obsession with McDonalds facts, his no.1 fan - John the pub landlord, Lewis Capaldi’s ’The Sexy Meaty’ pizza & and his special chosen karaoke song in honour of Caroline Flack. Olly’s brand new album ‘Marry Me’ is now officially No.1 in the UK - it couldn’t be more fitting as he marries his girlfriend Amelia next summer! Go listen to his album (& this podcast episode!) now x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to 10 Minutes. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with Mum. Again. We're a little tired. Yep. We are about to have brunch with somebody who has been at the top of Mum's wish list for a very long time. It goes Steve Wright, Radio 2, and this person. And Marcus Rashford. And Marcus Rashford.

I'd fit Barbara Streisand in on this okay fine um but i've been wanting i've kind of followed his career i think he looks like a really nice boy he is to me i've watched him on x-factor and i've watched him on the voice and i've watched his career i don't think i've heard music from him recently, but I'm sure he's going to tell us about some new music and it's Olly Murs. Yeah, Olly Murs I've met, I think a couple of times and he's always been incredibly

charming. What you see is what you get and he's coming over. He's got a new record out called Marry Me. He hasn't had music for a while and he's coming for a chat before he goes on to do a beautiful performance in a church later um so we've got ollie merz coming on brilliant so many of you already know this because i've mentioned it before but i'm a proud proud patron of an

intergenerational nursery in south london it's called apples and honey and it is set at the back of a jewish old people's home the nursery is interfa it is set at the back of a Jewish old people's home. The nursery is interfaith, it's for anybody, but they play and do activities and have conversations with the elderly that live in the old people's home. And it's been proven how amazing it is for both the elderly and the young. And I so love being a patron for this nursery. I so love being a patron for this nursery. And when they were trying to raise some funds for the nursery, there was an auction and we had some competition winners bid to sit in on a podcast.

So we have Amanda and Nikki coming over. And Olly Murs has been very cool about having them. And they'll just sit and they'll watch and they'll eat. What are you cooking? I've made the otolenghi ciabatta and courgette frittata. Yeah. And I've attempted Florentines. Never made them before.

Thought about cherries and candied peel, Christmas. And it was an easy thing to make just to finish off the meal. They seem to look all right. They look beautiful. Yes. Made them while I was listening to Desert Island Discs. You had a right faff with your ciab ciabatta didn't you i had a faff in my ciabatta because i couldn't get it i don't think you needed to do ciabatta i think you did because of the lightness of it but i tell you they're a bugger to take the crusts off because they're all they're all crust and no bread

but it's all good now and you've wafted in and you've made a herby salad. I haven't wafted in. No. I've come in after, you know, getting my children sorted for school. Okay, darling, that's fine. You know. Anyway, I'm excited. Olly Murs coming up on Table Mines.

ollie merz has just come in smelling delicious what's the perfume uh baccarat what like baccarat it's baccarat that's all i'm i'm how did you find this smell you know what weirdly enough i walked past a gentleman in harrods or selfridges and i he smelled incredible he walked past me and i actually went and i've never done this ever before i mean excuse me i tapped his shoulders excuse me you smell amazing and he was he looked at me really hard he must have been french or something hello i mean you smell incredible i would never do this but any chance i can get the name of that aftershave. And he was like, yeah,

of course. And he was like, yes, yes, yes, yes. And he gave me it and that was it. I went and found it.

And that was the rest of his history. Because I think you smell amazing. So I may now, it's like, pass this on. I may now make my husband wear it. I mean, it's Kugajaka or something.

With a Google search, we'll find you. You'll find it. Put Baccarat in, you'll find it. It's quite, it's Kugajaka or something. With a Google search, we'll find you. You'll find it. Put Baccarat in, you'll find it. It's got more popular, but I don't want it to go mainstream. Okay, fine. Well, then... No, no, no, you can mention it. Because obviously, it was like going through my period of being single.

And when you're single... When was this period? Between 2015-16 to 2019. Right. so it's about three years three or four years but when you're in that when you go from being in a relationship of three or four years do you think i wore lots of aftershave because you're with the person you was with and i didn't make an effort i kind of did but then i'm just thinking when you become single right are you single again now no no i've got a fiance now oh okay congratulations thank you i think that's where you're going wrong if you'd have worn that you'd have magnetized the women in that's what i'm saying yeah oh that's what it is

so i'm saying is when when i got single i was like right i'm gonna get fit i'm like not gonna smell like i'm gonna smell great yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna shower every day and i'm gonna do my hair and then and that was kind of the i need a new smell i need to go out there and like here i am ladies and then i met amelia in 2019 that was kind of it now and i don't wear it very often and you've got a great bod because we've seen that no i'm sorry to go in so quickly. No, because you've done some before and after because you've done training. Haven't you seen them? I don't know where you're looking on Daily Mail. I know you are.

Tully told me. You're a Tully under the bus. No, I wanted to support Amelia. She was doing a competition last year. I've been through loads of like knee operations and stuff over the last couple of years. But Amelia was in lockdown and she wanted to do a competition because she does like this fitness modeling. She works full time for a bank, but she just done a bit of fitness modeling on the side. And she'd done it before I was even with her.

And she goes, I really want to do one. And I said, well, I'll tell you what, darling. She goes, we haven't got a gym. I can't go to gyms because we're in lockdown. She's got to do it all myself. I said, I'll tell you what, I'll support you and I'll'll do it with you because no way at 35 i was ever going to get a six-pack again and i said i don't think i've even seen a six-pack um i've seen a six-pack of beers but never you know an actual six-pack so i said you know what i'll do it with you i'll do it from

january i'll do it all the way i'll stick to do stick to the program because she's quite strict on what she eats. And we've got, you know, in a kitchen environment to work together on it and everything. So I did. I did that for four or five months. And I managed to see pecs and, I mean, saw muscles I didn't even know existed. How's the six pack looking now? It's an actual eight pack now.

Oh, my God. Show me then. Do you want me to show you? Yeah, of course. You just said eight pack. All right, I'll show you you want me to show you yeah of course I bloody do Jessica you just said eight pack alright I'll show you okay

you ready oh my oh tell me what Jesus Christ I'll just show you this is a family show the competition winners

are like what is going on yeah alright this is like magic Mike come on yeah so wow well done Mazel Tov

thank you I can't believe I just done that I can't if you'd got one you'd share it all I'd fucking share it all yeah

I absolutely would it's like I used to cringe when people would do that but hey I've just done it I'm cringing I'm proud of it and also

it hasn't been locked down for a while and you've kept it well i well i did i got injured again and then i had to go through all again but amelia is amazing like she's a real inspiration is that my phone sorry it was i don't know if it's my phone no it's my mum my mum loves a loud ringtone it was amazing ollie has brought two presents and it's nothing much incredible but it's just a bit of fun. Hold on. Something you've always wanted. Is that you on the wrapping paper?

Yes. Oh, my God. You're a brand. You are. I know. Christmas. This is like, you're like Buble. You're like the UK's Buble.

I'm saving this for one of your, my friend Alex is one of your biggest fans. Is it going to be a signed calendar? An AK calendar? It's not, it's not actually, no. It's a couple of goodies for my new album. Hold on, it's a calendar! Oh, it's an advent calendar, yeah. It's an advent calendar, and you're asking to marry me.

Thank you so much, Ollie. Oh, my gosh. Oh, gorgeous. Just in case you haven't got one, that's my new album. Now, is that your girlfriend? No, that isn't, actually, no. Is she pissed off about that? I don't think she did

you have a discussion she said i didn't she did that classic oh i didn't realize there was a female on the show and i was like oh yeah well we did and then yeah we had this model that wore pink hair because i don't think you've got the pink hair on there no the pink hair is not in it so so this is sorry just wait you've got the car oh no sorry i sorry. I'm like my children that only open the present and not the card. I mean, it's really, everything has got me on it. So everything, so Ollie has given us an advent calendar. An advent calendar with your new album, Marry Me. Yes.

And then we've got the CD. And we've got the invitation to listen to it. Hold on, I've already, I've got, I love it. Thank you. Oh, it's like the invitation to the wedding, like Marry Me. Yeah, that's the vibe. And you've given us a gorgeous, I love it. Thank you. It's like the invitation to the wedding, like marry me. Yeah, that's the vibe. And you've given us a gorgeous, oh mate, little sex pot with the mistletoe. I know, I'm just trying to.

Cheeky chap. Thank you so much. It's all right. It's Christmas. It is. Do you like Christmas? I absolutely adore Christmas. It's my favourite time of the year.

Yeah, absolutely. It's very stressful because I feel like I put a lot of pressure on myself for it to be really special and make all the family have an amazing Christmas. And I always try and get loads of fun presents and get all the crackers. And my mum asked me if I can get the turkey. And so I always like, I really, really want it to be special because it was so special for me growing up. And now I've got nephews. I want them to have the best Christmas. And where do you live? Essex. Well, I live in, i'm very fortunate to have a place in london and in essex so you've

worked hard ollie maz it was always a case of that for staying at all these hotels and i was paying so much to live in london for like two or three years i thought why am i not investing in something in london so that when i'm working here, I can actually stay? So that's what I did. I ended up investing a place here, and I've got my home in Essex. Mum, do you want to tell Ollie what we're having? We're having a courgette and ciabatta frittata. It's an Ottolenghi recipe. Who did we do it for last?

Thomasina Myers. Oh, yeah. And she loved it. So I thought it's a funny time of day 11 o'clock so I've made that Jessie's done a herb salad and I made Florentines for afterwards which I don't even know if they were but let's see you might not be able we had Paul Hollywood the other night and I dared to make a tart did you get a handshake I did but not because a handshake okay so are you are you a foodie do you like to eat out a lot love food yeah i absolutely adore going out and eating i love i love everything i

honestly i'm really not a fussy eater i love everything from from for example at the weekend me and amelia said oh it's sunday night What should we get? And I said, you know what? Just raid the freezer. And we had like potato faces. We had curly fries. We had a Lewis Capaldi pizza that we got sent to us. It was called a sexy meaty one. It's called. Was it sexy and meaty?

It was unbelievable, by the way. And I mean, like, I'll have moments like that. But then I'm like, oh my God, I can't wait to go out and have you know a beautifully well cooked dinner we went to this amazing place um it's an amazing place down the road for us called dog and pickle in essex who do the best roast dinners comes out this big piece of what they call it what would you call that like a server platter like a serving

platter big plank of wood in the middle of the table and just tons of food on it but it's the best food i've had in a long time but i yeah love it do you like a roast oh my favorite me too definitely roast dinner all day long me too although never said this and i'm gonna say it i always thought my mum's roast dinner could never be rivaled. And? But then I went to my mother-in-law's. Sally! I know. I know. But no, he's trying to curry favour with the mother-in-law.

No, no, no. This is the truth. No, this is true. This is better. Last year, I went down there for Christmas. Only like a few days. But I didn't go there for Christmas. God, don't do that.

That'd be like... My mum would not love that. Would she not? What are you going to do when you're married then? And you've got kids maybe if you it's gonna be that classic you've got to come to us okay i can't make that decision oh i see so my my amelia goes to plymouth to see her family and i stay at home in essex to be with my family and i'm always there for christmas day dinner i've never missed it for 38 years so i don't think that's ever going to happen where i miss it but anyway um last year

i went down for a couple of days before i went back to essex went down to see amelia's mom and she made this roast dinner oh my lord was it just amazing it was just next level that this like beef short rib that would be rested for 40 days or something in some marinated in some beautiful sauce and then dave her granddad who's 90, came in and carved it and it just was falling off the bone and just put it on my plate. And I said to Kate after, I said, Kate, you've really, you've killed it for me. This is the best roast dinner I've ever had in my life. How's her potatoes?

I've never told anyone that, by the way. Will your mum listen to this? Yeah, probably, yeah. How's her potatoes? I think those told anyone that, by the way. Will your mum listen to this? Yeah, probably, yeah. How's her potatoes? I think those are the key to a good roast dinner. Who, my mum's? No, both. Yeah, see, I love that crisp around the edge.

Yeah, and fluffy in the middle. And just fluffy in the middle. And covered in that sort of duck goose, like goose fat. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what she'd done, but that roast dinner, every single part of it was just phenomenal in every area so what kind of food are you going to have at your wedding for for our wedding we want to i don't know we want to mix it up i don't want to give

too much away no it will absolutely kill me even even up in your kitchen she'll find me she'll hunt me down she'll be knocking on that door in two minutes going why did you talk about the wedding okay no but i in terms of food we don't want to do i don't want really fancy fancy food at wedding i really hate that i hate when you get like three pieces of like green beans and you get this little small little bit of beef and you get like a little like i don't know like a lump of like nice mashed potato on the corner i'm like no i've got to get good food i want stodge i want real like homely food wholesome food that when you're drinking you're drinking all day aren't you yeah i want something i want to line everyone's stomachs before they get into the evening that's the key um so you know you've already let us know that your mother-in-law's

roast is better than your mother's but what is a very memorable dish from your childhood that your mum made that wasn't a roast oh oh your dad she probably makes a good roast jess yeah i'm sure can i be honest with you my mum's gonna kill me for saying this she's not a good cook my dad was the best cook really yeah my mum's a great cook by the way my mum i think because my mum used to work when we were younger we when we were kids my mum worked part-time at the little chef you know the ones on the on they used to be on like the the lot on the main roads on service stations my mum used to work part-time in a service station she'd be cooking all the time you know fry up for the truckers and that and so my mum was there for me at dinner but she didn't wouldn't always want to cook but my my dad was fantastic. What did he do?

My dad used to do some fantastic curries. And he used to always make everything from scratch, which was amazing. We used to always have chicken nuggets on Saturday nights. But as we got older, my dad used to make it all fresh. He'd get the chicken, he'd make all the breadcrumbs, put it all in and put sauces with it. And dip in sauces, we'd have chips. But I'm trying to think of a time that my dad made anything. Oh my God. Is that the cat? Oh, is there another cat there? we'd have chips but I'm trying to think of a time that my dad made anything oh my god

was that the cat oh is there another cat there oh hey piss off piss off was there another cat so he waited

and saw the other cat and then is she alright just shut the door what the hell but he must have been sitting where and the cat was trying And then... Is she all right? She's got it, mate. She's all right. Just shut the door. Really? What the hell? But he must have been sitting and the cat was trying to come in.

Have you got two cats? One. So some cat was just out there like, come on, let's have it. Let's have it. Let's have a row. Come on. What's the time?

So go on. I'm trying to think of my dad. Look, I'll be honest with you. My parents, they always made good food. It was always like... I really enjoyed it. But we were very simple. Like I lived in a cancer state when we were growing up.

So a lot of the food for us was just, you know, whatever was the cheapest option, I suppose. And sometimes it was just cheaper for them to like cook a lasagna or get something and put it in the oven. But then we had roast dinners every Sunday, which was like our thing as well. Did you go to the Little Chef and did it feel like a special thing because it was mum's work and like a good fire? Yeah, we used to go and we used to love popping in

and seeing my mum working. It was cool. And then it was a different environment. They did good breakfast. They did great breakfast. And we used to always, my mum used to always bring back these Little Chef lollies that they used to give out.

Oh my God, they were so nice and i can actually remember tasting them now full of sugar but when we were kids yeah it was just cool like you know we're yeah it's a good time growing up i had a great great my mum and dad were amazing what did your dad do and did i miss it oh my dad is an engineer my dad worked as a tool maker for an engineering company are they still working yeah my dad still works at the same company yeah 40 must be there but are they immensely proud of you like does your dad go into the pub and say ollie's on tonight i don't know you have to ask him i hope so i'm i know that he is um my mum in particular as well i mean the thing is whenever i talk about my parents in any way like they didn't know that i had any musical ability

or that I wanted to get into music. They were very much like, when I told them I was going to apply to do X Factor, they were like, come on, Oli, you don't need to go and do that. Really? Like, you know, it's not a job you can get at the job centre. How many other kids are going to be wanting to do that? You know, just go and get yourself a proper job, you know?

And I was like, but this is what I want to do, Dad, Mum, you know? They're like, well, make sure you pay the bills. You know, because I used to pay rent. Make sure, you know, go and get yourself a proper job you know and I was like but this is what I want to do dad mum you know they're like well make sure you pay the bills you know because I used to pay rent make sure you know you've got to pay your rent you've got you know you've got to start living you've got to you know build a life and I'm like this is what I want to do and they were quite tough bit of tough love really and they were they they didn't really see the belief I had in myself or my talent and so it was really hard uh for me growing up a little bit i didn't feel like no one really believed in me but then that gave me the toughness to go no actually i'm gonna prove you all wrong so when i did make it they were like they which i did love about them so i thought they were going to be them typical parents who'd be like oh we always knew it's

gonna be sensible but actually they didn't they were like we hold our hands up we had no idea like ollie was that ollie had this in him like they saw that i was an entertainer but they didn't they were like we hold our hands up we had no idea like ollie was that ollie had this in him they saw that i was an entertainer but they didn't think i was that good to make it who was in your year again so x factor 2009 there was joe mcheljee who won it stacy solomon was on that year jedward was on that year oh it's a good year though keep in touch with anybody from them i don't really know and i don't know why that is around the corner well stacy me and stacy always got on really well but again it was really hard it was really hard to i don't know i don't know why we don't keep in

contact and it's a good question i don't know why we just we all went off on our own little paths and we all went and did our own little thing did you feel like it was slightly kind of hunger games in a way it was a bit of like the survival of the fittest and it's like you're good luck out there no it was see you later it was like we've just had to do a full-on competition brutal and now you've got to keep making it and that's in really way is a way of looking at it because you went for a different completely different route into music than i did and yeah you're right it is like the hunger games it really good way of putting it we we were literally thrown into a house and it was like each week one person would leave it'd be like a revolving door and then it was kind of like well I'm still here

and so there was definitely massive amounts of competition between us all and I got on really well with all of them but then when I when I left I suppose my career went in a different direction to all the other guys. Because although a lot of them did music, mine just sort of catapulted a bit. This was more successful. And so I felt almost a bit like, how do I speak? A bit awkward, apologetic. Yeah, almost. Because these guys were all much better singers than me, actually.

Fantastic singers. Like the control, the range, how great their voices were, the power. They sing every day. I was just a lad from Essex that sung a bit of karaoke got a bit of bit of luck really but i was a performer not necessarily the best singer so i got a bit embarrassed really i was a bit like well do i deserve it or not i don't know and i wish i kept in contact with them more but i think we the great thing about us all when we see each other we have this unique bond that we all share the same experience it's really hard to understand like in the ptsd kind of experience way like or

like uh like that was an amazing time i don't know actually because that's a good i don't know if we actually sat in a room and spoke about it there might be i would see i look at that experience like it was a roller coaster of emotions i went through every single motion possible i went from the highest of highest to lowest of lows ollie who were the judges then at the time it was simon cowell cheryl um danny minogue and louis welsh so so that for me the whole experience was amazing who was your mentor then simon so i had simon but thing is when i left the show i didn't have a record deal at this point i had the most amazing experience i remember meeting my manager sarah and mark my tour manager and i remember thinking well whatever happens like it was the best experience i made it to the final i'm probably

gonna go back to essex and go back working in a call center in six months but had the best experience. I made it to the final. I'm probably going to go back to Essex and go back working in a call centre in six months. But I had the best time. Now, I don't know if everyone else felt the same. Do you know what I mean? So maybe there might be some PDST. PTSD. I always get it wrong. D.

I always say T, it's D. But maybe there is with some of them that they're like, I hated that experience. It wasn't for me. Because live TV is a really intense place to be. I mean, singing on live TV, I still can't do it. And then you're like, I mean, I never do the best performance of my life because it's terrifying. You feel your heart just sort of go boom.

Oh my God, you see that red light and you're like. Chase the bunny, that's what they say. Chase the bunny. Chase the red light, chase the bunny. Oh, chase the bunny. So every time that red light, you'll be on stage and all the cameras there and all the crowd. And then you just, all you can see is this red light jumping. every time that red light jumps that's what camera's on you but you move great as well oh thank you yeah i always felt really comfortable on stage but like you just said

live tv was always like oh god i did that for 12 weeks on x factor how i do 10 weeks how i did that i'll never know it was horrendous but you've like really made like you're touring you tour pretty much every year don't you like yeah you've got a really success i mean you do arenas like you're laughing and you do it regularly like you've not lost that you know you've got i think because your fans that are there well i like to think that most people know what they're going to get from one of my shows it's full of fun i love chatting i have fun stories to tell but i love performing and singing a lot of my music is up tempo and fun and i've been very lucky i've had some amazing success with loads of great songs so it helps

when you go on a tour like that that people know that oh he's gonna he's gonna sing that one at some point he's got a cup i've almost got a cup in my back pocket i can like throw out onto stage but no i'm just i love what i do i'm very lucky very great and i still always think back to that moment in x-factor and just think god i've come a long way really from a guy that was literally singing in a pub who had no one believing i had the only person who believed in me was john the governor of the pub at the george he was the only one that saw something in me and he gave me like this little like gave me my first ever gig at the age of 24 and I'm 38 now. So you started quite late

Yeah really late. So did Jesse though. I was later 27. No way Yeah. I never thought that Do you think that held you like going into the industry did that help you being Yeah because I think you think that held you, like, going into the industry? Did that help you being... Yeah, because I think, you think about some of those younger artists,

I mean, but then you look at, like, Olivia Rodrigo, who just looks like she seems to know what she's doing. And we've talked about this loads on the podcast before with other musicians. It's so brutal as an industry, but it's also so magical as well. So it's like this mad to-ing and fro-ing where you kind of constantly feeling like he's trying to survive and kind of do your thing I feel like as an older person hopefully I can handle it a bit better than I can imagine if I was like a 16 year old bit more

impressionable being pulled left right and center I feel like I can make my decisions I also think the industry's learning to listen to the artist more i think there's not in any job though if you're if you're 16 17 18 19 you need sort of i would say that i was very lucky when i was 16 17 18 19 when i went into work any any job i was in i had some good role models around me and people that would like help me and help me if there was a problem if i made a mistake i know you should do it like this and you go okay cool yeah that's the way to do it colin thanks cole you know colin was my first boss but like in this industry you just you hope and i do i hope that these 16 17 18 year olds that come through that have good people around them i'm very lucky that i had them people around me but

i'm also lucky that i had a lot of life experience coming into this at 25 because when I look back at how I was at 16 like I don't know where I would be now even at 38 now though I'm I'm at that really weird crossroad path in my career where I I really don't know where I sit really that yeah that gives me a bit of anxiety and worry and not sure where I'm at like I didn't do I didn't have an album for a couple of years I haven't done one for like two I haven't done one for four years actually and I was I'm at that point where I was a bit like I didn't know where I was going and what what people expected of me or whether I really fit in the industry anymore like where do you sit because when you get to 38 you're like well I'm not 28 anymore I'm not like the the trending pop star I'm not the face of you

know at one point I suppose between probably 2011 to like 2013 you know I was probably with Ed Sheeran at that point probably the two most successful solo artists at the time in the UK I was having number ones after number ones I was you know it wasn't an issue getting on any TV show I was on everything whereas now at 38 I can see a massive shift with radio, where my music's getting played. Streaming. Streaming. Are Radio 1 still taking your calls?

Of course not. Isn't it weird? It's so odd. It should be based on the music, not your age. And that's funny because you would expect that not to be the case in the day and age that we live in. But you almost... Yeah, but would you want to be on Radio case in the day and age that we live in. But you almost... Yeah, but would you want to be on Radio 1 now?

Of course I would be, yeah. Would you? Yeah, Mum. You'd get everyone to hear it. It's not very great music, Jess. Yeah, but as an artist and a musician, you want to be on every station. So when you get told you're not on that station,

you don't even... There's no even point asking the question because you can't even talk about it now. It terrible i understand why and then but what i mean is i'm at that crossroads i think at my career like i've done an amazing album so proud of it but i i if you are telling me now jess you said to me what you're gonna do next album i've got no idea where i sit but that's i think that's i mean i I have no doubt you'll have huge success with marry me but are you okay with accepting potentially you're not going to get the number ones anymore um I mean maybe you will I've never had number ones ever I've never had a top 10 single I've

had top 10 records but like I can imagine it's quite hard to go from being the biggest to then maybe kind of reassessing ambitions. Is that a hard thing for the ego? I don't know. No, you're right. I'll be interested to know this week, if I don't get number one, how I'll react. I know I'm really proud of this record, and I'm probably the most, like, I'm really happy.

I really wanted to go number one. I'm so content. Whether it doesn't go number one, how I'll feel, I don't know. But I just know that I've done something really that I'm happy and proud of it might just tweak my knowing okay I know where I am now

what were you doing Lenny? it's a frittata with courgettes and What are we eating Lenny? It's a frittata with courgettes and ciabatta in it, you break ciabatta up in it like bread. Is it nice? It is so lovely. Do you want pepper and salt? You might need a bit more. Right this is perfect.

That salad's lovely. You know what? It's really simple but you just put loads of different herbs in. And I swear, it's having tarragon in it. I love tarragon. Just put it with lemon and oil. Did you put dill in? And dill, which some people hate dill.

Oh, yeah, dill. There you go. Taste the dill now. Do you mind dill? No, I love it, yeah. You've got to give us your last supper. You've got a starter, a main, a pud, and a drink of choice. Okay, so my starter.

Have you prepped this? I know this off the back of my head. Oh really? Okay, I like this. So starter is a Scotch egg. Oh wow. It's got to be hot. I want a warm Scotch egg. This is my last meal ever, right? No.

Yeah. Alright. Yes, mum, that's the whole thing. So depressing. So I've got a warm scotch egg um with what like a sort of mustard mayo they're sort of like a piccadilly or sort of sauce with it not like a mustard sort of sauce okay which is perfect something like honey mustard sauce i want that warm and then for my main has to be a roast dinner don't care how it comes no i'd have my mom's roast dinner favorite meat which one

turkey i love turkey i love turkey i think it's under i think it's uh whenever once a year but everywhere i go i always get turkey roast dinner i think because i have i have chicken and lamb and beef all the time turkey just such a like when it's cooked really well it just tastes great with the cranberry sauce I want parsnips I want veg all my veg, no bread sauce actually I'm not a bread sauce fan don't know why actually

I love cheese sauce on my roast dinner on the potatoes or on the cauliflower I have to have tons of mint sauce on my veg, love mint sauce on my veg. Love mint sauce on my veg. Even if it's turkey? Yeah.

Only. I know, it's odd, isn't it? But that's just something I really, really love. You really like a condiment. Mmm, I do actually. Pigs in blanket. This is basically a Christmas roast dinner. Pigs in blanket.

I want the whole, the whole work, stuffing, everything. For dessert, it's my mum's homemade trifle and i really basic trifle this this is not a fruit one and then not a um what brandy they put brandy no scotch or anything like whiskey sherry that's it getting confused so a normal trifle with just jelly custard cream blancmange whatever you want to put in it what does your mom put in like sponge little ladies sometimes yeah she sometimes mixes up my mom changes it every year sometimes she might put some sponge in it with jelly sometimes she'll do the definitely do the blancmange custard cream like i really love a custard trifle is like the one so trifle

for dessert you say drink oh pina colada you're the second person this week said that love a pina colada yeah that'd be my favorite drink yeah if i had my last ever drink paul hollywood said it yeah paul hollywood pina colada it's a good drink yeah it's my it's that is my drink yeah it's your holiday drink or is it Holiday drink. I make it at home if I can. Isn't it weird that everything, when you make something yourself to drink or eat, it never tastes as good unless someone else makes it for you or makes it.

So whenever I make a pina colada at home, I use all the same ingredients. It's pretty average. I like it. But if the missus goes and makes me it, the same way that I did, it tastes so much better. I don't know why.

Mindset. Do you make pina coladas at home? Not now at the moment because I haven't drunk for three years. Of course, yeah. Especially when we was in lockdown. Sure, it was like beautiful, wasn't it? It was like, I think from like March till July, it was just blistering hot. So I had pina coladas every weekend or every day.

It was lovely. Are you going to break your sobriety on a pina colada 100 i'm gonna be going to um we're gonna go on holiday to the caribbean on the 2nd of january so i'm gonna yeah my first drink i said to amelia when i'm when we land when i get to the hotel i'm going straight to the bar yeah but you better kind of build up your tolerance. That's true. Otherwise you'll be that drunk hotel guest. I'll be like, well, I mean,

I'd just be like, oh my God. But then, you know, yeah, I just can't wait. That's going to be my first drink.

What else was on the list? Is that it? You nailed that, babe. That was it? Oh God, what a meal that is. What would you cook for us? By the way,

I'm not sure a pina colada would work with a roast dinner. It doesn't matter. You know what, I'm going to ask myina colada would work with a roast dinner. It doesn't matter. You know what, I'm going to ask my mum this year, when we're at the dinner table, she goes, would you like to drink, love? I go, can I have a pina colada, please?

And see what she says. She'll roll her eyes. She'll be like, what? No, she knows I'm not drinking, so she'll just laugh. What would I make you guys? Yeah, what would be your thing that if we were coming round, you'd be like, Amelia, I've got this.

Sweet and sour chicken. Oh. Oh. Deep fried first. Like in the Chinese. Yes, it would be like the sweet and sour sauce. So you make that from scratch. I actually use the, I always get their name wrong.

What's the biker, what's the biker boys? Hairy bikers. The hairy bikers. Yeah, I love them. Got a book about that. I think it's them. Would you like some more i wouldn't in a minute yeah their books are really good yeah so i found this sweet and sour sauce so you just cook the chicken as normal depending on what sort of just normal chicken but this sauce is incredible and the sauce tastes so lovely and i didn't realize how much ketchup you use. But Amita always loves it.

Because she'll be like, oh, you've only made it like two or three times for me. In the three and a half years we've been together. But it is really lovely. Nice bit of rice. Do you know what? Can I just say, because we've mentioned Paul Hollywood a couple of times. I know, sorry about that. No, no, no.

I love Bake Off. Me too. Have you ever been on it? You haven't done Slept Here? No, no, I would never go on it. Why not? Because I'm awful. Me too.

Me too. Although they're like, that's the whole point. That's the whole point of it. And I'm like, no, it really isn't. I want to be half decent. I love watching it, though. I love the show this much that me and Amelia watched one of the years in lockdown. And Dave Friday was on it.

Who's Dave Friday? He was just one of the contestants. He's called Dave Friday. It's such a cool name. And he's got a Shiba Inu, a dog, which we've got the same dog. And he made a Shiba Inu cake one of the weeks. And Amelia said to me, we sat there in our bedroom watching it. She goes, oh, my God, that cake looks amazing.

Oh, it'd be so cool. We should get him to do a cake for us for our wedding or something later on. So I made a mental note. Her birthday was two months later. I contacted him and he made us a shiba inu cake. Was it amazing? Oh, it was fantastic. I had to do this like dodgy cake deal

in a service station at Gatwick Airport. And it was due in lockdown. Oh my God. And we were told that you could go out and visit people, but you couldn't be in... And I remember getting to, like, Gatwick Airport, and I'm like, I've got to, like... Because I said to him, I can't expect him to travel all this way.

So we said, we'll meet halfway at Gatwick. We met in the McDonald's car park. This is amazing. We both got masks on, and I looked at him in the car and went... And he was like, all right. We walked to the middle, and I just, like, gave him the cash, and he gave me the car and he was like all right we walked to the middle and i just like gave him the cash and he gave me the car and cheers dave i put the cake in my car and i wedged it really close so it didn't fall apart i drove home well we were allowed to be out then but i can't remember when

it was but it was like you know i just didn't want to be seen you know being out of essex so i just quickly like got this cake, took it home. That's amazing. And, yeah, surprised the media the next day with this Shiba Inu cake, which was just incredible. And David did an amazing job. And then she absolutely loved it. So, yeah.

That's how much I love Bake Off. I'm sat there watching it going, I'm going to contact her. I'm going to contact him. They're going to make us a cake next week. But we do Bake Off Sunday. So when it's on, every Sunday, we follow the week. So we see it's on the Tuesday. It's Tuesday it's on, isn't it?

They say, oh, we're doing Mexican week. So we've already recorded it. But by the time we get to Sunday, we get Mexican food in. Or we get, like, pastries in. Oh, my God, you're, like, the top fan. Oh, we love it. Absolutely love it. And we sit there, we dance every time it comes on.

It makes you feel happy, doesn't it? It's so sad, we love it. Absolutely love it. And we sit there, we dance every time it comes on. It makes you feel happy, doesn't it? It's so sad, isn't it? You are quite sad, but I think it's really cute. I don't understand why you don't watch it all the time

because I just love it. You feel happy and... It's a really fun show and me and Amelia as a couple, like, she's got me watching all kinds of,

I mean, rubbish TV, to be honest with you, but Bake Off is the one that i absolutely adore and love would you do presenting again me you're still on the voice yeah but like i mean like well i am hosting yeah but that's different because you're being like no no no no this is this is good chat because i've i've i'm just on the second series of starstruck which is on itv oh yeah and that's a show where I'm hosting.

Who's the judges on them? So the judges on them. So we did the series. It came out in January, February. Is it Shania? Well, that's the new series. So we had Sheridan Smith, Beverly Knight, Jason Manford and Adam Lambert last series.

So this is the first time I've ever presented before again since... The dreaded. The dreaded. X Factor. Mistake. Oh, yes, you did that. Would you say... No, Lenny, I thought you were going to go,

I can't remember that. No, but I've forgotten it. Yeah, yeah, so anyway, I... I don't think you were good. Yeah, I know. It was just, again, it's the narrative of the paper. The press were brutal, man. To you, to Grimmie, toimy to caroline of course but they do

have um when the papers are a narrative on something they just go boom and they really just hit me and kaz for for six you know they just kept hitting us every week and when i made that mistake it was just like they could they couldn't wait to write about it but anyway so i sort of avoided tv presenting for years and then I decided like it was time to get back into it and then this show came along called Starstruck which is basically for people listening that haven't watched it it's stars in their eyes but it's a revamp of stars in your eyes so instead of there being one person on stage as their idol you get three of them instead and so during that performance the judges get to see three Elton Johns and they all give you something different, you know, in terms of looks, in terms of voice or just in terms of performance.

And you get... So it's kind of like blind date and stars in their eyes. Kind of like that, yeah. And the judges then decide which one of the three is their favourite or which team is their favourite. and then whichever team gets to the final the public then decide which one of their Elton Johns or Adele's or Queen or sorry Freddie Mercury or me, I had me on it

last year which was so funny but then this year it's come back for a second series and we have the amazing Shania Twain doing it which is amazing. We had her on the podcast I was going to say, you've got to have her on here she's fantastic, great really, again which I expect her to be, you've got to have her on here. She's fantastic. Great. Really, again, which I expect her to be,

she's very open and chats and she's got a good vibe about her. Yeah, she's glamorous too. She looks banging. Oh, she looks amazing for her age. Incredible, yeah. Before we get into Florentines. Oh, Florentines. You've buttered your bread.

I thought you weren't going to go for the bread for a bit, but then I saw that you've done a little hefty bit of butter and we're going in and i appreciate that sorry see an eight pack is not all about i like this this is cool you can have it all and still eat bread amelia said to me i should eat more carbs why because it helps when you're training and you need more carbs in your body to feel stronger and to lift more and to train more. So you actually need carbs for energy. That's why a lot of footballers and athletes and sports people, not that I'm a sportsman, but they eat lots of carbs before exercise.

Have you worked out today? I haven't actually, no. I've been such a mad morning. It's hard though, the week of promo. You're going to get, well, I hope you don't get promo throat. I hope you don't get like... I put my hand up like I need to speak yes

Ollie Murs I like to leave the butter on the bread a little bit longer oh leave it soak into the bread a little bit go on then

now that's why you was asking me why I'm not eating it I don't know if it soaks it's not hot Ollie no but I like it just kind of go in

what do you mean what would you I like it to kind of settle into the bread a little bit yeah it's weird no it's an interesting go in what do you mean what would you do I like it to kind of settle into the bread a little bit yeah it's weird

no it's an interesting fact about you Ollie that this is what the Table Manners fans really need to know it's all melted

in the bread which bread was that so that is why you left it to the end so the butter got a bit softer

yeah because when I put the butter on if you notice it was really hard I noticed it I was trying to spread it and it wouldn't spread but then if you leave butter long enough the room temperature of the butter melts, if you notice, it was really hard. I noticed it. I was trying to spread it and it wouldn't spread. But then if you leave butter long enough, the room

temperature of the butter melts slightly. And when you put it onto your bread, it just gives you a little bit more of a softer, smoother feel. Butter lessons with all the... By the way, I really sound like a butter expert. You sounded like a fucking mansplaining butter expert. I sounded like fucking Paul Hollywood. Can I just say, Lenny, the bread was done beautifully well. What you've done there, the texture in the bread was fantastic. Well, I can tell you, my tart didn't cook, the one that he ate. Oh, no. It wasn't my fault.

I followed the recipe and even gave it 10 minutes longer. But I put it back in the oven because that's what I learnt from him. So it was a good experience, even though I was embarrassed. What about the eyes? I made him sit there because he's so attractive. Gorgeous, isn't he? He is gorgeous, yeah. If you could go on a date with any of the people you've met in here,

would it be Paul Hollywood? I'm getting a sense that it is. I thought Michael McIntyre would be a really fun date. Have you been on the wheel yet? I haven't, no. What would be your... Your subject on the wheel? McDonald's.

Oh my God, I love you. Oh my God, well they had someone who did takeaways last week. Do you know where the largest McDonald's is in the world? No. Orlando. Thank you. Do you know where the busiest McDonald's is in the world? No.

Russia. Do you know how many restaurants... Are they still in Russia? Do you know how many McDonald's restaurants there are in the world? No. Russia. Do you know how many restaurants... Are they still in Russia? Do you know how many McDonald's restaurants there are in the world? No. Throw it to the room. How many McDonald's restaurants in the world? 10,000.

10,000? No. Must be millions. 50,000. 50,000? I'm going a million. A million restaurants? No, I'm going half a million.

Come on, come on. Half a million restaurants. How many? There is 40,000 and1 restaurants in the world. Is that all? Oh. That is it, yeah. Well, why do we come across them so often?

Why do you know these facts? Do you know which country has the most McDonald's? Get him on! Michael, I've got him on speed dial quickly! Go on, finish this. Oh, the most, I don't know the specific figure, but I think it's about 14,000 in America. Are you just like Googling?

There's only one country in the world that doesn't have a McDonald's. Which one? Israel. Bermuda. Does Israel have one? Yeah, of course it does. The only reason that Bermuda did have a McDonald's, but it was due to a Navy base that was there

from the United States of America built a navy base there and so all the friends and families and everyone all the families of the of the crew used to work there so they were able to put a mcdonald's on the site um but then when that disbanded in like 2005 or something i read this up yesterday on google so it's obviously true and they had to get rid of it because bermuda don't want anyone to have any fast food on their island. I just need to know why you were Googling this yesterday. Were you in a McDonald's and what is your meal of choice in a McDonald's?

Okay, so the only reason I know this information, which is very useless, but just in case Michael McIntyre... I might hold you in good stead. I was driving through, we're going towards Kingston to the church and we saw this McDonald's and it was the most, it felt like

it felt like they'd craned it in and just dropped it it was random where it was in the high street I was like this looks really weird, it was like a set of flats or an actual house but it's a McDonald's and it just felt like it shouldn't have been there. You got to thinking, you got to googling. And then I went oh that's really random

so let's have a look at some random McDonald's facts so I just went through loads of facts. So this is a newfound interest. Yeah, no, I just love it. But do you like McDonald's? I love McDonald's. Which one? In fact, I did a gig last year

for McDonald's and I was really furious that they took the bagels off the breakfast menu. I didn't even know they did a bagel. Neither did I. They took the cheese and sausage

and all that. It's a bit odd though because they had bacon on the bagel menu. I still love they did a bagel. They took the cheese and sausage. It's a bit odd though, because they had bacon on the bagel menu. Bacon bagel. You and Caroline used to love McDonald's. Yeah. She loved it, didn't she? She loved the cheeseburger.

She used to call it the chaser, the cheeseburger chaser. So she used to get like two cheeseburgers and just like slam them together. Do you keep in touch with her family? I do speak to Christine and Joe joe like i saw joe recently at the choose love event there was a shop the shop was reopened in um carnaby street that's it carnaby street and so i went and popped in and joe was there it was lovely to see her

and obviously with her mom i you know we get we randomly text each other here and there if i if she sees me do something or if i hear of something, I'll give her a little text. But yeah, she used to love McDonald's. It was very, on the set of X Factor, it was pretty much every Saturday night there would be a McDonald's trip. Because the McDonald's was right next to the Fountain Studios. Right. So we used to just go and get bags of McDonald's.

It was like a regular thing. Drown your sorrows after having to present the bloody TV show. Yeah. No, she used to love at McDonald's. God, yeah, we used to tuck in every weekend. And so apart from the bagel... Did you ever hang out at a pub, Kaz? Yeah, I did.

I had my first Ibiza... Down the gaucho or something like that? Well, we met a few times, but the first time we kind of spent a weekend in Ibiza together, going kind of raving all weekend, and she was just incredibly good fun amazing fun she just wanted to keep the party going and so yeah i did hang out with her and she was always so lovely and i always kind of bumped into her at glastonbury she'd always lost her voice and

oh kaz was always the life and soul of the party so anywhere she went it was always you knew kaz was there she's dancing she's gin the drink she's having fun that was always her thing she loved being out in that environment whenever we was on x factor well i mean i can only go back to them sort of times because in our private lives we didn't we didn't we didn't see each other as much um because we lived very different lifestyles i mean at the time i was you know being a pop star and traveling around and doing all these sort of different things and so whenever i had a chance to have a day off or a night off, I'd just go to bed and relax and sleep.

Whereas Caroline just all never relaxed or slept. She was like, I'm out tonight, I'm out tonight. Come on, Ollie, come out. I'm like, oh, Carl, I've got to go back home. So we didn't see each other. When I was on X Factor, that was every weekend. It was like, where are we going now? Where are we going?

And she was great, great fun. I think it was Love Island or whatever. I just had my operation 2019 and i said to kaz it's i said i'm lovely to come and see you i haven't seen you i'm at home i just i'm back from love island i'll come and see you it's like okay cool look what what day is good for you because tuesday works great all right brilliant okay tuesday well do you want to come over for lunch it'd be easier for you you can come out from london see me then you can go back. Yeah, yeah, perfect.

What should we say, two o'clock? Yeah, perfect. So we booked everything. So I managed to, at the time, I got a chef to come in. So I couldn't cook, so I had no, I couldn't move. So I got this chef to come in and just cook us some lunch.

I wanted to make it really special for me and Kaz. And I remember telling Emilia, I said, look, just so you know, on Tuesday, has come she's like oh amazing we'll enjoy it you know it'd be good to see her and um she never turned up i was like that's really weird kaz didn't turn up so i looked at my phone i'm like text i said you're right kaz i haven't heard from you like you still coming she didn't text me back a couple of hours went by i was like oh it's pretty weird that kaz ain't messaged me thinking you, she would at least let me know. She didn't.

She messaged me at like six o'clock going, I'm really sorry, Ollie. Something come up. I was not feeling great. I'm really sorry. We'll do it another time. And I was like, all right, cool. Didn't bother me because I was like, yeah, Kaz has got life. Then Amelia goes, Kaz didn't come round today, did she?

No. She goes, she sent me this link on Daily Mail, and she'd been out at this, like, cosmopolitan, big, like, after-party in central London. And so me knowing Kaz, I was like, she's woke up with a massive hangover. Probably didn't get up until midday, and she's probably still drunk.

So that was, for me, what Kaz was like, you know? It's a shame, really, because that would have, I never got a chance to see Kaz before you know she took her life so it would have been lovely to have had a moment to chat or you know just talk because we didn't see each other for quite a few years so it would have been that was the last time I well we tried to meet up so I'm sorry Oli I mean during the period when it was all over the news and things were happening I did text her and I said you know like I'm not reading the news Kaz Oli. I mean, during the period when it was all over the news and things were happening, I did text her and I said, you know, like, I'm not reading the news, Kaz. Like, you know, I mean, I'm on your side.

You know, I'm here if you need me. She's like, oh, thanks, thanks, Ols. I appreciate it. And then I didn't speak to her after that, which was a shame. But yeah, it would have been lovely. I always think back to that moment. I just wish she would have come out to Essex that day.

Because there's one thing about Kaz. I always try to say to her during the time of X-Files. She'd always be like, you always go out to Essex, don't you? You still give me a hard time about it. I just don't like the hustle and bustle of the city, Kaz. I need to get out. I need to breathe. It feels so intense here.

There's all these parties and there's always something going on. It's every night. It's a Saturday night. So I need to breathe it feels so intense here and there's all these parties and there's always something going on like it's every night it's a Saturday night so I need to go home I need to relax I need to get out of here this is dangerous

you know so I I would have just loved Kaz to have come out to Essex that day and we could have just had a really nice chat away from the hustle

and bustle of the city and just have a real chat and I never got a chance to do that which is a shame really would have been nice did you Caroline really liked karaoke i think she did i'm not sure did you ever do it was amazing singer yeah and it was only until and i'm so i'm so proud of her for doing it and um when she went did chicago and people actually started taking her seriously she danced

because her dancing was amazing from strictly whenrictly, yeah. When we was on X Factor, it was like, everyone thought I sung a lot. I mean, backstage, she was constantly singing, always had music on. And her voice was amazing. And then she went and did Chicago.

I remember texting her and I said to her, you're just phenomenal in Chicago. Your voice is just incredible. I'm so glad that people in the world are starting to hear your voice because it was so amazing. And there's, you know, if you go on her which i'm i'm often like on there looking and stuff and you see some of the videos of her by the piano singing songs and

like can just see how happy she loved music absolutely adored it before we before we let you go we'd like you to try a little florentine. Now, these might be a bit hard. I've never made them before. Can you describe to me what a Florentine is? It's a mixture of nuts, fruit, candy peel, cherries, and you just put it with golden syrup and sugar. And is there chocolate at the bottom? Yeah. Wow. These look unbelievable, by the way.

Well, they might be and they might not be. Nanny, I think you did a good job there. Do you? I love the coat of chocolate on the bottom. Do you? I think the consistency is about right. I think you baked it just right. You think? I think you've got enough

of the flavours in there with all the fruit. I think it's a great blend. You should be really proud of yourself. My veneer's gonna come out if I eat them. Yeah I was just scared for my veneer to be honest. Oh is he? Oh he's liking that. I'll stop being Paul Hollywood.

Fantastic. Wow, I've never tried one of these before. Olly Murs, do you have good table manners? I am, no. I thought you were very good today,

not that I'm there. This is a quote from my friends. I never thought I was this bad, but my friends say, this is a quote from them, they say that

when they watch me eat, it's like feeding time at the zoo. I didn't think that. No, today I've eaten really well. I thought you were very restrained. When I'm in good company,

but when I'm with mates, I'm like, and I eat so quick. Today I was, we had to talk between food, so I was kind of like taking my time. Jessie eats really quickly.

Never go out and have a sharing meal with her. Oh, I am. Because she's eaten everything before you even get to put your spoon in. You thought the X-Fact was bad. games baby same as me no i eat so quick my friends can't believe how fast i eat i literally i so if you go up for a big curry and you're sharing it will you have eaten most of it before they've even started some of my friends would have been sat down eating

dinner for 15 minutes i'll come back and waffle it down in like five minutes it's really bad it's a really bad trait and and loads of people ask me why and i and i can only thing i can say is when i was younger i always had this mindset of you get what you're given and we never had like go back to the start of the conversation and never we we grew up in you know council house my mom had three kids in a three-bed semi-terrace house and we just my mum and dad would just be like right because we were all just like gannets if it's gone it's gone you know and you know we would like just know we just we just eat everything and my dad would get everything as cheap as he possibly could we'd just be e e e and it was just as quick as we could basically it's really sad really but that's just how we was. Well, I forgive you.

You can eat as fast as you want, Ollie. You like karaoke. I do like karaoke, yeah. What's your karaoke song? Oh, this changes. To be honest with you, if I... I would say at the moment, the song that I go to the most now is Sweet Caroline.

Oh, that's awesome. Because I made an oath to myself, like, how can I, you know, when you're grieving and you lose someone, and I was like, I don't know, I'm such a positive person. I'm like, I want to think of Kaz in a positive light and not remember the stuff that happened

at the end of her life. So I'm like, how can I, you know, put something on my set or my music set or whatever so i i sing sweet caroline now and i dedicate yeah i dedicate it to kaz um because you know it's i i just wanted to do something that reminded me of kaz in the way that i remember her not and even though the song's a bit of a the lyrics are a bit i don't know so isn't it about him drinking is it him i don't know that neil diamond told the story i think so i think he told the story once it was about him drinking and it was about i don't know whatever but i just love sweet caroline that that lyric sweet caroline and how caroline was and just a sweet person and

lovely and boris danced at his wedding to that i did doing it for him I had to tell you because someone else might have told you later and you'd have done it but you know what, it doesn't matter it will be your Caroline for me in that moment it will be about Caroline yeah, my Caroline Olly Murs, you've been such good fun, thank you so much

good luck with the new record thank you so much for having me on by the way you've been such good fun. Thank you so much. Good luck with the new record. Thank you so much for having me on, by the way. It's been so much fun. We are. We've wanted you. You've been top of mum's list for years. And my very best friend in the world is so jealous that I'm sitting with you, Alex. Hello.

Alex loves you, has loved you, picked him from the beginning. She says, like a million other people. Oh, well, it's been an absolute pleasure. The food was fantastic, but the company was even better. Oh, you're such a pro, Ollie. You're so good. That's true. I genuinely really enjoyed it.

Thank you. Oh, Ollie, what a lovely, lovely guy. Just a delight. Smelt heavenly. I'm going to get that perfume for Sam for Christmas. I didn't get close enough, darling, to smell it. I did, oof. And I saw that bloody eight-pack four times.

Oh, my gosh. We didn't even have to mention it more than once, and he had his jumper up and his Calvin's down. Eight-pack? I didn't even know there were eight muscles there i don't think they've even got one never mind eight i thought that he was absolutely delightful really easy to talk to great fun self-effacing just a lovely lovely man loved chatting to himved how open he was about where he feels he stands in the music industry. You don't really hear people talking about that. I think he'll be all right.

I think he'll be fine. And he's got a new album out. He's got a new album out. By the time this comes out, it will be probably number one. I should think number one. There you go. Food was really lovely. I think he really enjoyed it.

I loved it. It was perfect, actually, for a brunch. Do you think? Felt really delicious. Good. And a bit more of a sexed-up frittata. Yeah. Florentine's delish.

Thank you, Mum. Pleasure, darling. I appreciate you. Next week is a Christmas special. We have invited some old, near and dear, loved ones that have been on the podcast before, giving us their take on how they will be doing christmas this year so tune in for a special table manners all about christmas