Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S15 Ep 18: Jaime Winstone

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

Actress extraordinaire, activist, podcaster, and all round general delight Jaime Winstone joins us this week on Table Manners. Usually I bump into Jaime in a festival field or in a club, so it’s a lovely change to have her round for a spot of lunch at mine! Despite being a massive foodie, Jaime admits she isn’t the best cook… but she told us all about her food adventures in Sicily, her total love of a farm shop and why bread sauce and cherry brandy ice lollies are absolute essentials! Jaime is currently treading the boards in the West End production of 2:22 A Ghost Story and can also be seen starring as a dominatrix (!) in the brand new series Count Abdulla on ITVX. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

hello and welcome to table manners i'm jessie where and i'm sitting opposite lenny who's in a very sunshine yellow linen top ready for our guests very nice it's the color of the of this season i'm told right it's called saffron oh it's saffron yeah i'd say more is it it's not as tumeric tumeric would be a bit more maybe a bit more yeah i think it's a bit burnt yellow should we say i don't know very nice in the background you may hear my son getting his nappy changed let's not talk about he's very into eminike head and heart joel cory um you've been on food duty today i've done the last two haven't i yes darling i'm enjoying cooking it's great i'm I'm sorry that I couldn't do it today. Do you want to do it all the time?

No, but I'm sorry that I couldn't do it today. So I did ask you to do a lunch. I also requested the lunch. I hope she likes anchovies. She'll have to pull them out, won't she? Tell the listeners. I've made a salad niçoise. Strangely enough, I got the Icardo delivery this morning

and the Icardo magazine had salad nicoise. They added capers, which I've never done before, and red onion. So I put those two things in as well. And I bought quail's eggs because I thought they looked fancy. Not quite sure how long to cook the tuna for. I might ask her how she likes her tuna cooked. Seared or? Seared, but they're quite thick steaks

because I prefer thick to thin ones that will go dry. But how long would you cook it for, Jess? I don't know. I don't mind it really, like, rare, so I'd probably, I don't know, three to four minutes on each side. Okay. Maybe?

Yeah, that's what I think I'd do. Have we got a griddle? Yeah. I've also got a fire alarm that loves to go off when the griddle goes off. Not with all these doors open. Jessie, your kitchen's the hottest place in the universe. Yeah, it really is. It's kind of beyond tropical in here.

Yeah, I had a blow-dry that was supposed to last the whole weekend. And alas, it shan't. At least you've not got grey hair anymore. No, I now have a line of brown around your head. I hate that, where the dye's been. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, today we have an old friend of mine, actually. She's the loveliest, most energetic, generous person in the room.

You know when she's in the room. She's a force of nature. She's fabulous. It's Jamie Winston who one of my vivid memories of her is we were both at Glastonbury I was heavily pregnant with my first baby and she was taking her little baby to Glastonbury and I thought wow that looks like a lot of work and she looked like she was just having the funnest time. You only ever take them when they're in your tummy, darling. Yeah, I won't take them either when they're that age.

But I just thought, wow, she's rock and roll. She's rock and roll. She's in 2.22 at the moment, which is in the West End. It's that ghost story. Lily Allen's starting in it. They've had everyone from Lily to Cheryl to Jamie. And it's a massive success on the West End I haven't been to see it because I don't like scary stuff oh I quite like that it's supposed to be

like really like woman in white yeah I didn't go I didn't go it wasn't that scary oh right well maybe you won't she walks down the aisle behind you and then you get scared no spoiler so so Oh, spoiler. So Jamie's in 222, but she's also in a new comedy series called Count Abdullah. It's on ITVX. She's acted since she was a young, young girl, obviously following in her dad's footsteps, Ray. And she's a big activist. She was really involved in Extinction Rebellion. And she also does loads of stuff for climate change and nature but she knows how to have a good time and I'm sure she's got a food story or two she has a house her parents have a house in Italy I really want to know it's very much like we go to Greece every year she goes to Italy every year I'm sure she's got some really good recommendations from there um Jamie Winston

coming up on Table Manners. Cheers! Jamie Winston's in the house and I was trying to be good but my mum has just ruined it. Mummy dearest has totally twisted my arm. It wasn't hard, Jamie. It wasn't hard, let's face it. It never is. It's always a pleasure to see you i usually see you in a field or in a club dancing so actually i don't feel i don't feel like we've ever really

no we haven't down for a dinner no we haven't i think the last time james my partner my fiance yeah i was very very excited well we're going to talk about you, but let's talk about your lovely other half's amazing initiative. Are You Mad, which stands for Are You Making a Difference? And he's basically trying to change the face of being a wasteman and how we recycle. And it's amazing because he's basically started this youth movement where you go to local businesses and you ask for the plastic and then they bring the shops in, get all the plastic, show her kids how to wash it, clean it, melt it down, use the equipment and turn it into really amazing, useful stuff like sound engineering stuff or stage equipment or incense holders or grinders you know whatever whatever appeals to the youth nowadays and yeah they're doing really well

it's amazing I mean yes I'm about to marry a glorified dustbin man which wasn't part of the plan but you know what it's cool it's amazing And I'm really inspired by it. So, yeah, well done, Jamesy. So when are you getting married? In October. Oh, my God. Amazing. Yes. It's very exciting.

And are you going to do it in Italy? Or are we even... We're doing it in Sicily. Yeah. Which... Because I know you and I know you go to Sicily. Yes. You've been going forever.

Mum and dad live there for most of the year. My mum's not truly converted yet, but dad is there whenever he's not working. It's just amazing. Sis, have you been to Sicily? Yeah. It's just stunning. It's incredible.

It just feels like it's this... It feels like it's the 70s, for one. There's no real bougie-ness to it. It's quite... Which bit are they in the north or the south? We're in Agrigento. Oh, down at the bottom. Yeah, down at the bottom.

That's the best bit. It is. Are you worried? Because, obviously,igento. Oh, down at the bottom. That's the best bit. Are you worried? Because obviously White Lotus. Are you worried that every Tom, Dick and Harry are going to be there this summer? I am. It's your place. It's already started. It's hard to get to Agrigento. Best swordfish

I've ever eaten. It's stunning, isn't it? The fish is amazing. You see at night these boats out with a big long pole at the front to catch the swordfish with the light on. But it really is the best in the world. The best swordfish I've ever eaten. No, we absolutely love it. The best fish and seafood you're going to get.

But it's also obviously the good produce. So it's just everything's really simple. Tastes lovely. Tasty and just good. It just feels like the simple life. Let's talk about the play. Oh my lordy. How's it going?

It's going amazing. I'm absolutely loving it. I don't know the play. What part are you playing? I'm playing Jenny, who I've been describing as the hostess with the ghostess. Oh, so you're not a prostitute this time. I am not a prostitute.

Mum! No, she's always a prostituteitute i am not a prostitute no she's always a prostitute i am always a prostitute i have just played a dominatrix actually you see came out yesterday actually i've only played a prostitute once i know i know you have and that was a very serious drama in four lives no it was so you was so, you were so amazing. Oh, thank you. That was dark. Yeah, it was dark. So important. But on that note, I have just played

a dominatrix vampire. This is on ITV. That's just come out. And it's a comedy series. It's a comedy based about a Muslim doctor who is struggling with sort of culture referencing his life

and the things he wants to do in his social life and also balancing that with his religion and his culture. And he then meets me, Cathy, who's a 150-year-old vampire. Sure. Who's a part-time dominatrix, who has a taste in men and women that, well, basically is an AB positive blood type that she goes for. Oh, that's what I am.

Oh, well, you'd be totally up my street. Yeah, yeah. 4% of the country. But it's halal. Halal. Oh, I'm Jewish. Would that never... No. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's almost the same. Kathy doesn't discriminate. She tried it but it's not her thing. Okay.

You know, she gets her dinner at mosques. So it's extremely controversial. This sounds brilliant. But it's really fun. It's really taboo. And it really gets the conversation going of, you know, where do we place ourselves in society? And why do we sort of always fit with these types, blood types?

But, you know, it's a very play on on culture and um cultural appropriation and i'm playing uh uh across um a great actor called aria nick who's amazing who's super hot as well super hot horrible having yeah it's a nightmare it's a nightmare just sucking on his neck you know you two are terrible awful um but ghost story yeah ghost story has been so epic we've um you know i did see the play originally when lily did it yeah and sadly had to erase that performance because i just so desperately want to make it your own yeah and that's what danny robbins does he creates a really blank canvas of these four different characters and they're all they're all very ordinary people that we can all relate to as an audience that's why it's so clever but then it flips it on its head and it becomes quite

supernatural and just he's scared i've heard it's really quite scary it is scary and it's really funny so you're every you know one breath you really funny. I really... So you're... You know, in one breath, you're laughing. And the next, you're jumping out of your seat. And you're kind of questioning, like, wow, do I believe in that? It raises all these things in you where... Do you believe in the supernatural?

You know, where do I sit in this class system? And it's very clever and very relatable and very scary. So how long do you do this run for? I'm doing it till September. So, yeah. You're getting married. Yeah, and then I'm getting married. So my summer's a bit...

Different this year. Different, yeah, it is. Tell me... I love you. Different. I know your dad's Ray Winston. Yes. But who else is in your family?

So I've got my beautiful sisters, Lois. Lois. Who is beautiful. She is beautiful. She's magic. And she's a force to be reckoned with. She's a rock star. She's the rock star of the family.

And what does she do? She's a musician. And she's also an actor. She's done stuff like Game of Thrones and she's done loads of TV stuff but her music is what's in her bones and then my beautiful little sister Ellie Ray

who is also training to be an actor, she's at the theatre school I know, we're hoping what does your dad think about this? oh you know, it's a bit of a nightmare because it's clearly all in our blood. But he's super proud. I mean, we're all so different.

Yeah. You know, Ellie's very classic. You know, every time I've seen her act, she's just very period drama and classic. And she looks like a little Marilyn Monroe. So we're all just so proud of her. And the age gap between us is 15 years. So we're all just like, oh, God, she's so different and magical.

So what was the dinner table like in your... Because growing up, there were only two of you, really. Yes, two of us. And we had a very different upbringing to Ellie Ray. We grew up on a council estate where it was, you know, get a takeaway. Dad was always cooking and mum was. But we got fed what was put in where it was, you know, get a takeaway. Dad was always cooking and mum was. But we got fed what was put in front of us, you know, as you do growing up. What was the best dish your dad cooked?

Probably steak, steak and chips. That was always kind of like quite a luxurious meal. It's special. Yeah, but then mum would always, I always do this for my son as well i always cook it a good bit of haddock with a poached egg and some greens and my son absolutely loves it and it really takes me back to when i was growing up because it just even the smell when you know it's being cooked in the house you're like oh god yes we're having a haddock in water or milk milk yeah i do it in. I actually don't drink milk anymore.

I've really become sort of intolerant to milk. Every time I drink it now, it makes me feel a bit sick. So I'm an oat milker now. But when it comes to the fish, it's got to be milk. It makes it so much more flavoursome and yummy. Yeah. My son loves it. That's so lovely.

How old's your son? He's seven now yeah so i'm saying to mum that when you've got a big boy i've got a big boy i've got two step sons as well 13 year old rufus and 11 year old hudson who are my step boys and raymond who's raymond jago who is seven where does he go i know so where did you grow up so i grew up in North London Enfield okay and then I was born in Camden and then now I've I spent most of my time in Hackney in East London but I've now retreated because you can't drive anywhere in Hackney and you can't do anything Hackney and it's a little bit um just got a bit expensive and after the lockdown i was like i just need some space for my mental health and i just need to look at nature a bit more and i'm now in Hertfordshire

you're happy there i love it really i love it i really feel like i've just had a breath of fresh air into and just watching raymond like and big house big house good schools good schools good happy why did you choose Hertfordshire? It's quite near to my mum and dad. Okay, yeah. For the babysitting. It's, I mean, I don't really trust anyone with my child. It's a bit of a nightmare.

Oh, do you? You know, only best friends and parents, so. Who looks after him when you're working? My mum. Oh, so you don't even have a nanny? My mum and James, because James works quite round the clock as well. No, we sort of tried a nanny, and Raymond was just kind of like,

this woman keeps following me around. He just didn't get it. And I was kind of the same, you know. And it's, you know, when we go to Sicily, we have a Sicilian nanny, but, you know. So when you go to work, what time do you have to leave to be at the theatre? So now, when we was in rehearsals, I was leaving at eight in the morning and getting home at six at night. So I was managing to do bed down, bed down time and read a book time and watch a bit of TV if it's a Tuesday or Thursday.

But now I'm getting home at 11. so I'm missing like vital cuddle time do you get up in the morning though because that's quite hard I do I get up I'm not doing the school run no um especially when like count of Dilla's on the tv so I'm just kind of like it's a bit full on like mum's at the school gate yeah mum's at the school gate thinking like I'm this part-time without her wit yeah without her whip like people just you know it's a bit odd so I don't

haven't been doing the school run but I managed to do the pick up time which is nice and he loves it have you made friends there what at school

in Hertfordshire yeah I'm not really like a neighbourly person are you on any of the school mums whatsapp groups I am

yeah they're quite they're quite fun it's quite full on yeah I like it being full year but they I wouldn't be able

to do it without it to be honest because I keep up with everything I mean thank god for people that actually read the emails thank god

god bless you the people that are proactive on those whatsapp groups all those mums that keep me on like I've just even this morning

I managed to buy you know the PE kit for the, what's it? Sports day? Sports day. The sports day, which I'm running in. But, like, you know, I didn't know that they had to have a T-shirt and what colour they are.

So they really keep me in the loop for things. And they're coming to see my play and stuff. Really? So that's cute. You know, we can all get the train home together. So you're they're coming to see, they're coming to see my play and stuff. Really? So that's cute. You know, we can all get the train home together. So you're still super close

to your family? Super close to my family. We're, we're a tight, tight knit family. You know, we've, it's,

it's quite crazy but if dad's back in town and I'm around, you know, Sunday roast is a must. Okay. You know, it's a big deal

at my house. And he's making it. He's making it. What's he make? Oh, we just get pictures. We literally get pictures of what,

just food. So is he, has he really come into his own now that he's like living in Sicily? But he works as well. Well,

I'm convinced. No, I mean, like with food. I'm convinced he does need his own YouTube channel because he is obsessed I mean look at this

it's just get I just get pictures of meat covered in rosemary like on on her eggs it's our religion yeah it's you know eating and I tried to do non-meat for a while and it turns out I'm anemic and I actually do need to eat meat well because, because you're quite an activist. You know, you were really, you were doing a lot of the Extinction Rebellion stuff, if I remember. Yeah. And also, are you a patron or to certain, what's the charity?

For the Greenpeace and I also, I'm an ambassador, main ambassador for Save World Tigers, which is something that just is really close to my heart. I worked with Simon Clinton for about 10 years now. But when I first started I just suddenly for me just becoming quite involved with Save the World Tigers I was kind of like this this animal is just so regal and it represents so many women I know and that's that was my kind of route into Save the World Tigers and then it it suddenly was like, God, they just don't have the space

and they don't have the preservation rights. And the poaching was just becoming, I mean, there's something like 3,000 wild tigers left in the wild. And it's not long, 3,000. And it's, you know, although there's sanctuaries for them to survive and, you know, paths being created for them, it's, you know, we lose the tigers we essentially lose the the king of the jungle and you know already the jungle has been affected by our

everyday lives but we lose we lose the tiger we that that's pretty much the beginning of the end in terms of the food chain and and what what what happens next the rhino's gone and for me it's just been a really amazing because it's quite overwhelming you know and I think we all got become really overwhelmed in the pandemic with you know actions and doing the right thing doing the right thing and recycling and what we should do and kind of got a bit overwhelmed with it and I I stepped back a bit because I was like actually I really need to focus on my mental health and what I do in my everyday life the pandemic I really did because well for one artists and singers and and anybody in the arts were told to retrain which is just retrain and you know reboot what you do which is just totally ridiculous

because none of us would have survived without a book or a film or music or being able what would you do if you weren't an actress um if rishi had it his way yeah if rishi had it his way yeah i struggled quite a bit because and I found my frustration being like but then again I took pen to paper and I started really concentrating on my poetry and and concentrating on you know stuff that I love my podcast was born from the pandemic

yeah I want to talk about you were huge actually you were a huge inspiration with us with the greatest night ever you know because it was like god where do I find my voice here? But it kept me going, the podcast. Yeah. Because we did it by Zoom.

But let's talk about your podcast. I'm going to go and shut up. Because it's such a great idea. So the podcast was born from the pandemic and saying, God, I'm really struggling to find my voice. What is something that we haven't really heard out there because we were getting told I mean yours stands alone in its own right we were like god we really what what would we want to hear and came up with this well just think about our greatest times and our greatest

night ever and god it'd be great to hear about that and legitimately get like people's journeys and you know the more we sort of dug deeper into it it was more like well this isn't just about parties this is about people's greatest moments in their life and so we decided to kind of expand on that and all of a sudden it was just kind of like wow we've got real legs in this and you know I then had a boudoir that was kind of like oh imagine if we did it in a boudoir. And I actually bought a caravan to go on tour with it

or to go to festivals and get people in after shows and talk about their greatest moments ever. And, you know, we were actually sort of pitching for a book at the moment. Well, we were actually writing in process of writing a book. And it just because it just had such legs

and it brought so much joy. But it's also an extension of you. It such legs and it's so and it's joy but it's also an extension of you it is and that's what makes it authentic yeah i think you are the ultimate party queen yeah but you are you love it you bring the joy to any room that you come to and so for you to do a podcast that's about that makes total sense oh well thank you but that's what makes a podcast work so that means so much coming from you because you are literally enjoy your music as well thanks but i think that's that's amazing so do you do you enjoy it like i love it you know what it's it is a lot of work but it is also it's joyous and you can tell people you know people have to do press

routes all the time and and it becomes quite exhausting. And this was just like, no, this doesn't need to be press related at all. This needs to be just you talking about what you love. And, you know, it's been really enlightening, you know, and I think it's been really nice and insightful for me because, you know, we all got, I definitely got labelled as a party girl in my 20s and I think everybody parties in my 20s and i think everybody

parties in their 20s and but the the thing about me is that i actually love every aspect to what it is to have the greatest time you know it's not just about having fun sticking some music on getting drunk no they're actually you don't really remember i've been to raymond's party like you do it you're you're you're doing a good time in the afternoon. Yeah, we like it. With a bouncy castle bed. Yes, we know how to sort of bring the elements.

You know how to entertain. Yes. And I think that's really important and I think after the bloody pandemic, people were really told what to do

and, you know, this is how you, just eat good food and do this and do that and, you know, represent this and it was just kind of like, oh God, you know what? Like, I this and do that and you know represent this and it was just

kind of like oh god you know what like I'm done with that what makes me happy and what makes us happy as humans is being social and also sharing moments that we love like that spreads um that spreads like a healthy virus you know and I think that was the the tonic we needed and it just was born organically and it it got legs I mean I was called a glorious podcaster it was really it was a real special moment for me because I'm always kind of like you know once you're media trained you're sort of like oh god you know can I say this can I say that so it just opened up a window of like ownership on actually I'm going to take that title back and I'm going to claim it in a rightful way rather than be like oh god you know we can't do this we can't do that

like of course you know I work really hard and as a mum like I have the entitled to dance and remember it and talk about it and everybody feels like they're a bit like oh it's naughty when you talk about that and it's like raving is a part of my culture it's who I am like dancing in sweaty rooms and and learning figuring out what I love and you know vibrations high vibrations it's it's important was it was it hard when you were labeled that in your 20s because you were an emerging actress yeah and then you were obviously you were in the tabloids yeah a lot so it kind of it delegitimizes your yeah completely yeah did you feel like you had really does it really does um like lawsuits galore you know like it was it's itle with that? It really does. Like, lawsuits galore.

You know, like, it's hardcore because I've never missed a day's work in my life. I've never not brought 110% to the job I do. I'm so lucky to be able to do what I do and continue to work. But it's a miracle I'm still working with the British press at that then. You know, they were cruel and mean and, you know, I don't think we need to go into that anymore

because we've seen what happens. We lost loads of people due to it. And I think, you know, there's a tricky route that you play, but there's also a really strong belief in, like, if you let your work do the talking because yeah it's hard but you know paranoia can play a massive part in I think social media now is so much more responsible for people's careers and people have their own voice then we didn't have that it was four papers on the tube going home and pictured in the same clothes that you were wearing.

You know, it was kind of like a clash of the titans when it comes to social culture. But I just never really let it get to me and I've never really respected fame in that light. As long as my work does the talking. But it was definitely hard, you know, where people are convinced you're one thing and it girl was being flown around and party girl and like I think you just gotta claim

it you know like yeah I love to party but god do I love my job more and you know god do I know how to party responsibly and how how you do it I don't know. Oh, medium then. Do medium. Let's go in the middle. Let's go in the middle. That sounds great, Mum. That sounds amazing. Oh, my God.

How lucky are we having your mum? I just love the idea that you're going off to the theatre after this. Oh, yes. It's so fabulous. I'm walking the board, darling. Doesn't that feel quite fabulous? It is fab. Have you done theatre that much before?

I have. I did a play years ago. The first time I sat on stage was a play called Fastest Clock in the Universe, which was a Philip Ridley play. And it was amazing. My first character was, she was a 17-year-old crystal meth, dealing, pregnant, pigtail-wearing woman called Sherbert Gravel. And, like, you couldn't get a better role.

Amazing. For me, I was just like, oh, God, can I do theatre? Sherbert Gravel's a really good drag name. Sherbert Gravel. Well, that was it. I was like, oh, my God, I love her already. And then I walked on stage and I just was like, had this moment of, God, am I going to be able to do this?

Because, you know, stage fright's real. And the words just, like, spilled out of my mouth, and I was just like, this is where I'm supposed to be. So even though I do a lot of film and TV, like, stage is ultimately where I feel like I shine, because I really buzz off... I'm an adrenaline junkie, so I really buzz off playing with the adrenaline junkie so I really buzz off playing

with the audience not knowing what's going to happen so yeah she was great and then I did something with lovely Russell Tovey so such a babe amazing actor and we did a thing called Sex with a Stranger at Trafalgar Studios

so this is essentially it's not really my West End debut, but it's kind of, kind of is because it's kind of a phenomenal play. You know, it's kind of like it's just been such a hit. So I'll just, I'll roll with that, whatever, you know. So, I mean, I feel like everything's thriving for you. You are everywhere. You're on screen, on stage, you're doing podcasts.

I mean, it feels good at the moment right feels really good yeah i'll take a moment in a way because it's it's a lot of hard work and a lot of dedication and i've missed out a lot of being with my son this year but you mix it up you juggle pardon which plate? Which plates? They're fine, I think, yeah. Thank you, Mum. Whoa! Oh, my God, oh, my Lordy, this looks amazing. Darling, your griddle needs, you need a new one. Do I? Yeah.

Why, what's the matter with the griddle? It sticks. Well, yeah, griddle always sticks. No, it doesn't, darling, mine doesn't. It's not oiled properly. Oh, they're at it again. This is nothing, Jane. This is, this is... Please help yourself This is nothing, Jamie. This is...

Please help yourself. Thank you so much. Can you put the dressing on? Yeah. Wait, so tell me what's going on here. It's salad niçoise. It's got everything in. Yum.

Do you not eat anything? No, I eat everything. Oh my God, that is delicious. Good. So fresh for a day like this as well. Thank you, Jamie. I said, what should we do, Mother? Should we do a tuna niswa?

She went... Delicious. Oh, it's delicious. Perfect for a summer's day. Okay, Jamie Winston. We would like the last supper. You're going to a desert island for a year, let's say. And you're not going to be with all your favourite, I don't know, food and drink and stuff.

What would you do? Starter, main and pud. Okay. Drink of choice. So, my starter, I mean, I did think about this and... Thank you. But I thought, are we on a desert island? Because prawns is not the best option, is it?

Don't think about the desert. You literally can have anything. Right, okay, so I would definitely have a prawn cocktail. Lovely. I would have a prawn cocktail, but like really grand. Lots of sauce, lots of lemon, lots of pepper. Like, I can't have a prawn cocktail. Because it's just always...

It's just delicious, it's just, it's just delicious and it's refreshing. Is there one place that you've had a really great prawn cocktail in your life? Just at home, at home. My dad does a really killer prawn cocktail. Does he do with small prawns or does he do with the big meaty ones? He does small, but he does big as well. But I, and I, but I like the small. I like it like I'm a kid. That's always my go-to when I was a kid. So it would be a prawn cocktail. And then my main. This is really difficult because I don't want to sound like a basic bitch, but it would have to be some serious pasta dish.

Why is that? Mac cheese, truffle mac cheese like that's gonna keep me going that's gonna you know feed me up um i'm not gonna eat for another 10 hours let's face it after a mac cheese you're really you're thinking about this you're going very method on the the approach to the desert island oh yeah mac and cheese could be a mac and cheese could be a side dish. All right, all right. Method. All right.

Mac method. Side. Side dish. Method Mac on the side, please. And then, obviously, like, I don't know. I like it all. I like... Do you know what?

That's when you ask, what do I eat? I eat everything. I'm really not fussy because I like good food. I like good produce. If it's good produce, then I'll eat it. But my favourite dish is probably a good bit of fish. A good bit of fish and a good bit of salad. But I find it hard to knuckle down.

There is one thing that I have to have with a roast dinner, and this is going to sound very weird and Welsh of me, but I have to have bread sauce with everything. Is that wrong, Lenny? You're looking at me like... It's usually only with... Usually, then people have your puddings with chicken, which I find really odd, but the kids love it, don't

they? Why would you deny yourself when it's delicious? But it's... It has to be with a roast. So bread sauce with a... What's your favourite roast? Beef. No, pork crackling.

Pork crackling. Apple sauce. Homemade apples tarty sauce. Apple and pear, actually. Dad does this pear. And James has started doing it now. And it's kind of like a pear syrup of an apple sauce

and you put it in the oven for a little bit so it kind of caramelises. So it's kind of like soft. But you don't eat pork, Jessie. No,

you don't eat pork. Yeah, but you could just have the pear and apple sauce with a crumble even. The pear and apple sauce sounds amazing. You know,

you could go that way if you're feeling extra fruity. Have you got a sweet tooth? I do have a sweet tooth. I love anything syrupy. In my later years, I've got a little bit more chocolatey. I didn't really used to like chocolate,

but I like a sort of moussey thing now. But a tiramisu, yes, any time. Yeah. Oh, my lordy. Are they peaches? They're peaches that I've done in tiramisu, yes, anytime. Yeah. Oh my lordy. Are they peaches? They're peaches that I've done in, like,

I mean, look. That is so up my street. I cannot tell you. It's peaches with a bit of butter and brown sugar. That is literally,

like, my favourite dessert. Good. Tamaretto on top. Oh. Jamie, my son has joined the table. I'm so glad he has as well. So food-wise, can you cook? We've talked about Ray.

And we've talked about James' apple and pear but you I'm not really on this planet to cook I don't think but saying that I don't think I am but I have been cooking which has kind of got over my fears I don't really like cooking for groups of people get a bit nervous

I like to host I like to be sous chef and do all of that stuff organise when it comes to me cooking I get to be sous chef and do all of that stuff organize when it comes to me cooking I get really like quite nervous and then break something and then like make a whole like when I went on Sunday brunch I pretended I cut my finger because I was just so nervous and I was like made the producers swear it was all a bit of a nightmare but every night on stage I am cooking a risotto and it's kind kind of like... Oh, it's dead easy. It's not me.

It's Jenny. So it's a whole new... You're not as nervous in a different way. I am just like... I am domesticated goddess on stage. Jenny is great at risotto. She's domesticated and she just knows what she's doing. She's great at risotto.

She nails it. I'm cooking asparagus. I am doing a stock. It's quite amazing. But that's not me. That's Jenny. Have you taken Jenny's recipe back home to Hertfordshire?

No. And I won't be ever eating asparagus risotto ever again. I feel like that's mad that you can do it on stage in front of a room full of thousands of people, do a sofrito,

chopping onions and celery and garlic, yet you can't do it to a group of friends no it's just weird it's like you know different cloaks I guess

I don't know like I just it's fine so if we were coming over you'd host but what would be on the menu if Lenny and I were coming over what do you think

you should get a dad in to cook no I wouldn't no James would cook James would cook because he is amazing. We'd do a really amazing wild tropical salad.

Use of mangoes probably. Some sort of mango in there. And probably a fish dish. We're really good at fish. What's your favourite fish? We are good at fish. We do fish. Which fish is your favourite? He has been known to do salmon probably.

Really amazing. He does a really good salmon with like a garlic sauce inside. Yum. And then some dill and some dressing, lemon around it. Very simple. Very good. Good bit of fish. You said you have a really good fishmongers, don't you?

Yeah. In Nunhead it's amazing. Of course it's so good. Soapers. you said you have a really good fishmongers don't you yeah in nunhead it's amazing was it so good so it's really good so and pudding what would be for pud pudding would be my idea of a really good pudding is a really good homemade apple crumble or apple and rhubarb crumble but we are we are so spoilt now for where we are in Hertfordshire. We've got loads of good, really good farm shops. My heavenly shop is a farm shop. It's just... Give me a farm shop over Selfridges, Ellie Downs. Hello?

Don't we spend so much money in there? And then you get, like, the gigantic life-size bottle of rosés. And you're like, that would look so nice in my garden. That's a piece of furniture. Buy a big candle to put in it just to buy it. Yeah, I spend a lot of money at farm shops. And Pierce's is the one near me. And amazing meat, amazing fish.

So really, if you've got a good bit of fish, you're winning. You're right. It is about the produce because you can make it quite simple. If it's really great, it really great we're making elderflower at the moment oh my god I used to make it do you remember

the Isle of Wight did we I used to pick elderflower yeah do we love it we've got it do you do it with Raymond it's been sitting sitting at the moment

yeah Raymond picks it and we used to do a really good mushroom tincture which has been really amazing for the immune system sorry what yeah Dr Jamie medicine woman we love it we love it good mushroom tincture which has been really amazing for the immune system sorry what yeah

doctor jamie medicine woman we love it so you go and pick do i need the mushrooms but make sure they're the right sort of mushrooms got it you don't want to be tripping no well it might might want to be have you been taught about foraging mushrooms because you can get it wrong well you can get it very wrong or very right that's what day you're having but i mean i i'm really open to it i'm really open to sort of like the medicines from the nature you know like yeah i'm really into it because it it works do you want a bit of medicine mr my blessings and do you feel like it's helped have you yeah completely it's it's just like taking natural vitamins you know do you feel like it's helped yeah completely it's just like taking natural vitamins what do you take for your voice voice is

steam and salt water you know should really lay off the fags what can I say how much are their packet now oh I don't know someone told me they were £19 I think they're £, I don't know. They're expensive. 19 pounds. Someone told me they were for 19. I think they're 19 pounds.

Oh my God. I hadn't realised that. It's disgusting. I mean, you can't really go from talking about tincture to bloody cigarettes. But you did. But I did and that's who I am. That's me. But I hadn't really...

Someone told me they were... They had some medicine all the way. And I didn't believe them. What the... How expensive they were. They are. They're ridiculous. It's just stopped you smoking, isn't it?

Yeah. I mean, I did try to vape for a while, but it's just kind of hurt my throat more, dare I say. You've kind of answered this already, but I wonder if you've got a nostalgic taste or scent that can transport you back to some place that's good or sad? Cherry brandy. Oh, cherry brandy.

I thought it was going to be the hand-dicking milk, but okay, tell me about the cherry brandy. Cherry brandy. With avocado? No, cherry brandy, just lolly from an ice cream van. Oh, the ice lolly. They're really good. They're really good, but really good but they've just

gone out of fashion just this year, gone I could get them up until last year and all of a sudden they do do them but they're not the same they don't taste the same that old fashioned real cherry brandy, anything

really cherry though, like cherry drops like when I was a kid, that was my naughty sweet. Could I just ask one thing? I hope you don't think it's rude. You say you were born and brought up on a council estate. Yeah. And then your dad made it. Was your dad not working as an actor then?

No, he was. He was working... Like, he had done things like Scum and then did, like, a bit part in Get Back and had TV jobs and then things happened for him and then it was kind of

kneel by mouth it was kind of Gary Oldman and Kathy Burke kneel by mouth that did it and then it went on Sexy Beast so your mind changed yeah it did dramatically we moved from a yeah it did dramatically we

we moved from a council state in in north london to to bel-air in in in hollywood you know it was it was extreme and like oh you actually lived in hollywood yeah we lived in hollywood i lived there for i mean i've lived there twice but i I lived there for about a year and a half. So we were there. Wow. It was pretty. And then you didn't go back to the council estate? No, we went to Essex.

Wow. Yeah, and it's, and that's why it's always kind of like quite extreme because people always say, oh, what did you do? Like, you know know in terms of school and stuff like I left school and we went we went to Bel Air so it was it was very sort of one extreme to another but um we didn't really like it you know we never really phased us and it was like as soon as it kind of we kind of got bored in Bel Air it's not that it's not that fun gated communities it's just not and my mum was, you know, after, you know, driving around in a nice white car for after a couple of months,

it was bloody boring. And Dad was always on set. And I worked with my dad. I was a runner for years. And that's how I kind of learnt how to sort of navigate on set and how cameras work and how directors work and TV and film. And I was a runner on, you know, a Spielberg film. That was like my first sort of school job.

But you're still so genuine and warm and real. Yeah, because I think it's a job, isn't it? You know, I think that's like the big illusion sometimes and you know I've worked with some people that really play the role of a star and I get that but like doesn't do themselves any favors I think you know if you really just stay true to who you are and let your talent speak like you'll you'll you'll be successful and also you can you can live your life instead of being like this sheltered little because that doesn't look fun you know like I think it's better to just stay grounded I mean

obviously like it's nice to be major you are major and on that note you're about to head off to the western and they're off to darling. Thank you for doing this. Thank you. Best of luck with the run. Best of luck with Count Abdullah. Thank you for my food as well. And the wedding. You've got so many brilliant things.

It's a nice year this year. You deserve it. Thank you. Love you, ladies. And maybe I'll see you in a field one time soon. Maybe. It's happening. Mum, that salad was really delish.

Good darling. Jamie Winston, she's such fun. Delightful, lovely, warm person. Love being with her. So warm, and she's never changed. I love it. She just said, she just lit up a fag after that. She's going off.

No voice rest for Jamie today. I apologise in advance if she loses her voice this weekend from gassing with us. No, she's just a delight, wasn't she? She's fab. Good fun. Rock and roll. The best kind of rock and roll, isn't she?

Thank you, Jamie Winston, for coming over before a weekend run of 2.22. Yeah. We're going to go and see her. Can't wait. She's on until September. Fabulous. Count Abdullah is out on ITVX now. Yeah.

And, yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing jamie playing kathy uh dominatrix a bit of snm i think she'd be fabulous at it i'm thrilled for her it was a real pleasure to have jamie in the house she's wonderful the tuna nice was was delish mom fabulous why do i need a new grid shall i just sat right griddle off well i think you either have to season it by rubbing when you wash it rub oil on it and it will season, when you wash it, rub oil on it and it will season it a bit. Because I put olive oil on it and it's still stuck, like really stuck. So it needs a good wash and then rub olive oil on it to sink in.

If anyone knows how to season... It's olive oil, darling. Okay. Because my wok that I bought too looks an absolute bugger. Yeah, you have to rub it with oil. Okay. Anyway, my little peach thing. Delicious.

Stunning. Quite nice. Really fabulous. It's amazing what butter and sugar and mascarpone can do, isn't it? Thank you for the little amaretto biscuits that I crumbled on top. Those are nice, aren't they? Great. I don't know how you've still got them in your house.

Where do you get them? They're probably about a year and a half old. Oh, great. Alice brought them about two years ago. They're all right. Thank you for listening and we'll see you next week.