Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S15 Ep 3: Kim Petras

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

Spinach pie, bouyourdi eggs and florentines for Kim Petras!!Straight off the back of her big Grammy win with friend of the podcast, Sam Smith - Kim popped over to Clapham for a glass of champagne and a chit chat.She told us all about her upbringing in Germany, eating Greek food on Christmas Day, holidaying in Disneyland and she introduced us to a drink even more divisive than marmite! We love you Kim, keep shining superstar and thanks for coming on x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with my mum in Clive. Did you watch The Brutes? Did I? I have to say I think the best moment was the performance of the person that we have coming up on Table Manners. Well I'd seen her on the Grammys as well. She's been everywhere, she's absolutely reigning supreme. Her name is Kim Petras, and you may know of her from being a kind of amazing pop disco banger pop star or being a featured artist on Sam Smith's Absolute Smash. Unholy.

Unholy. Kim is a trailblazer. She is fabulous. She is fashion. She makes such fun music. And I think it's an absolute coup that we've got her today. I can't wait to meet her. It's a Monday morning.

She had the Brits on Saturday. And she's here coming for brunch. And you know, she's probably leaving on a jet plane to LA in the afternoon. She's managed to squeeze us in. I'm so very excited to hear about her successes, to hear about her journey. She just won a Grammy. She just performed at the Grammys and then the Brits.

And we've got her in Clapham for a brunch. Now, Mum, what's on the menu? Well, because Kim Petras is a little bit Greek, I thought I'd excite her with a little bit of Greek food. Well with a little bit of greek food well she's german greek now lives in la yeah well she did mention she was greek so i thought i'd make a spanakopita any excuse any excuse to bring in the greek bit aee eggs. Also in the table. A la Limnanari Beach. Yep.

And then I made a little cheeky Florentine for afterwards. Oh, mum. Do you, I mean, we've been talking about this. Darling, I did cook all yesterday evening. And it really helps. Yeah. The wise words of Yotam Ottolenghi still help us every day. Prepare the night before.

So what do you actually have to do today? I've just got to put the eggs in the boyardee and put the spanakopita, the mix, I made it all yesterday, into the phyllo pastry. I've done it slightly differently. I saw something where you put the dill chopped up in the oil and then you paint it on the pastry. The brilliant Kim Petras coming up on table now. We have Kim Petras here, live and direct,

from an amazing, astounding Brit award and Gram grammy and grammys you've had a busy week oh it's been crazy it's uh kind of been non-stop we did snl grammys brits uh and that's just been like in the last three weeks so it's just been like whoo and that's why you've walked in with a sugar-free red bull yes now you've got your sugary coffee yes which is much better but i didn't have time to get a coffee so you know it's exhausting when it's going that's the thing though when it's going well yeah it's crazy and then you're kind of like like hamster on a wheel and it's amazing and you don't want to complain because obviously it's wonderful but it must be exhausting you must be

knackered yeah for sure i'm exhausted i also i do to myself yesterday was my day off and i was like let's go to paris let's go to disneyland no you didn't yeah we did no you didn't yeah i had to i grew up in germany and like disneyland paris was like every summer vacation i would go and i haven't been since before the pandemic so so you thought on your only day off, you'd just go from London to Paris to the most exhausting place in the world, the happiest place in the world. It's invigorating if you love it.

Did it kind of fill your soul with what you needed? Yes. Did you go to It's a Small World? No, we didn't. I love It's a Small World. What's your favorite ride? My favorite one is the phantom manor which is the haunted mansion oh jesus babe your adrenal glands must be shot

yes yes thank god i'm a huge like i love anything fast anything so yeah we just like went on all the fast rides and did you go to the merchandise shop did Did you buy any ears? Yeah, I did buy ears. I got the Guardian of the Galaxy Groot ears. My son's favorite thing is Groot. Oh my God, I love Groot. Where'd you get them from? So, Han, you've got, can you show me a picture of these Groot ears?

Yeah. I mean, it's his birthday coming up. I'm going to, maybe I'm going to find a way. The Disney store probably has one. It's so funny. Why do you love Groot? Because he likes it. He's never been able to watch it.

He just thinks that he's lovely. Same. I don't know. Who doesn't like Groot? He's a tree trunk, isn't he? I don't know. Yeah. He's very sweet.

He's a tree trunk. He's a bit brown. So, Han, you went to... Says, I am Groot on the back. They're really sweet. I did not think you were going to go for Groot in the Disney shop. Yeah. For some reason, they just really spoke to me and it was just time to Groot it up.

So, what time did you go to sleep on the Saturday? Because the Brits was on the Saturday. Yeah. I'd say like 2 a.m., 2.30 a.m. And what time was the wake up call for Disney? 6am. So yeah, I didn't get much sleep. Did you sleep on the train?

I did fall asleep on the train. Did you just eat at Disneyland? Or did you go for somewhere like a big steak for later? No, we just ate at Disneyland. But it was good. The snacks were really good. Oh, it is good in France, isn't it? Yeah.

You can have wine there as well. And wine, of course. Yeah. Champagne. Of course. Would you like champagne? I like champagne. Would you like some now?

I would love some now. Oh, good. Champagne and coffee, nothing is better. Also, I was going to say, Champagne champagne kisses is one of my favorite songs of yours it's so beautiful thank you it's such a well-written song it's really beautiful you're so lovely honestly it's a real um honor thank you thank you and um i am just so thrilled for the success and also just like i mean you've been going for a long time yes you've been doing your thing you've been doing your mtv european music award performance you've been you you've been going for a long time. Yes. You've been doing your thing. You've been doing your MTV European Music Award performance.

You've been successful. And then Unholy has kind of done this next level. Yes. Kind of mainstream. I mean, you're a club kid. Yes. How long have you been doing music for? Since I was 12 12 i started writing

yeah jesse she's so my type of girl yeah um well i i just i fell in love with writing pretty early and i uh was obsessed with max martin pop song writing all of that stuff and i just remember always being like on car rides to school. I used to have to take the ferry and the bus. And where was this in Germany? In Germany, like two hours outside of Cologne in a place called Uckermann, which is just like mountains, grass, nothing.

I'm going to abstain for a moment. Actually, no, I can't. Come on, a little there to wet my whistle yeah cheers thank you cheers congratulations on all the success and it's a pleasure to have you it's a pleasure to be here thank you so so you grew up in kind of in the countryside you got a ferry to school yes and you were listening to rhyme you were free to school. Yes. And you were listening to pop. Cross the Rhine. You were listening to pop music on the way there. Yeah. Long journeys.

Yes. Were you, I'm in a situation where my children demand what's on our playlist in the car. But I remember when we were younger, it was the radio. Yes. One radio station. Yes. Or maybe two. Or like a Whitney Houston greatest hits. Yes you know, the Bodyguard soundtrack or what

else did we listen to? Grease. Grease. The musical we had with Grease. Love. So you were listening to the radio and listening to these pop songs. Yes. And then when did you get to work with Max Martin?

Well, that was, that all happened in the last year. Oh, wow. Yeah. It happened really really really recently um i kind of got introduced to that whole crew of people uh through sam and through unholy because uh ilia uh produced unholy who's done burr with you yeah who's done burr with me and like i i love the mxm crew and it's just been like really fascinating really like writing with me and like i i love the mxm crew and it's just been like really fascinating really like writing with them and so who wrote unholy uh unholy was written by uh a lot of people um

omer feddy uh blake jimmy nape circuit um and and the song you know came to me kind of uh already pretty fully fleshed. And then they were just like, here is an open part. And I just kind of went in and freestyled and everyone was really happy. And that's what I like when people are excited that you're in the room and they feel like you're adding something to a song. And I feel like Sam and I have been talking about collaborating for years at this point. And so it was just kind of the right moment. And yeah, I didn't think it would do what it did.

Really? It did. Yeah, I loved it. Yeah, of course. But, you know, I've been, you know, I'm like something like close to 50 songs in of releasing songs you know that i all love like i i'm proud to say i haven't released a song that i don't still love um which is uh which i feel like lucky about um but you know i've been just making pop music for gay clubs for my whole life you know and so uh this one was really amazing and i think sam and i really like meshed well like our vocal tones and everything

it's amazing but and my kids are demanding it in the car that's when you know you've got the toddlers and the kids singing oh daddy daddy yeah I'm like my daughter knows all the designers thanks to you um so okay so let's take it back to Germany. Who was eating at the dinner table with you? And what were you eating? My mom, my two older sisters, my mom's boyfriend. That was usually the dinner combo. And my mom definitely just loved making food always. Was she good at it? Yeah, for sure.

She's very, like, doing her own thing we we ate a lot of greek food like uh petrus is so who is greek in your family uh my uh grandfather i think in my mother's side it's all very mixed up i think a lot of people in germany have this because my uh grandparents were like from a town in poland that got taken over during the world war and then went to germany after that and kind of a lot of like the polish history in my family kind of got erased a little bit because like you couldn't like speak polish anymore and all of those things so so it's sad I wish I knew more like Polish foods and Polish things but it really like I think they kind of felt like a little ashamed of like their heritage and uh so that part of my family kind of just disappeared a little bit so I'm not really

sure and I need to be a little bit Greek yeah but we're a little bit Greek we're a little bit Polish we're a little bit French uh a little bit german so we have all of those things and uh yeah well we heard that you have a tradition on christmas eve is it yeah it's always greek food it's always been greek food uh so and what's on the dinner table then what are you eating um lots of feta lots of like uh hummusy salads um uh yeah the the like dolmas um all yeah like grape leaves um well we we um we decided because we go to greece every year amazing so we decided to give you a kind of a greek brunch yeah because we didn't know whether you would have been having whether you would have been having any greek food in a while yeah no i really haven't so so there aren't good greek

restaurants in la except for one oh for god's sake my sister's boyfriend this poor people that have to listen to this on the podcast every day my sister's boyfriend has a restaurant called greekman's you should go there for greek food i would love to. Enjoy yourself. In Silver Lake. In Silver Lake. I live around the corner from Silver Lake. So that is perfect. Down there, darling. Okay, incredible. But so yeah, mum has made. Do you hear that, Tori?

Write it down. It's spanakopita. So it's spinach pie. And I've made boyardi eggs, which I don't know is actually very common in Greek. But it's a bit like shakshuka with with eggs and feta amazing so i hope it's so incredible and i feel you know have you eaten well whilst you've been in london um yes i uh indian food is a must oh yeah can i can i guess have you been to dishoom like every other american that comes here i mean of course we've been to dishoom and it's incredible every single time. The ruby chicken is insane and there's so many things on that menu that are insane.

But I always try to mix it up. I'm really kind of, I think just like I like trying as many things as possible and I like all styles of food. And I feel like I'm pretty adventurous. Okay, right. So I always like to just try adventurous okay right so i always like to just try different things so we had like a nigerian the other day that was amazing where was that beautiful um well i'm kind of in the shoreditch area i'm poor both names so i'm not sure what the restaurant was but thank you you had jolla fries i bet yes yes it was so good it

was delicious how red i i feel like i go spicy, so I always ask for the spicy stuff. I'm really into it. I think anything I like to be extreme with. Like, I like speed, spicy food, like, you know, all of the... I'm thinking about those poor vocal cords and just thinking, at best, they just need to, like like go to a silent retreat for about like have no spice no champagne no coffee definitely um i i want to know what your mom was cooking um she's a big lasagna fan she used to make lasagna like once a week that was definitely

my favorite like she did like a spinach lasagna oh nice it was really delicious i'd love the recipe for that yeah me too uh also uh can you cook i need to i i can't i'm i'm horrible i darling if you read you can cook okay good good to know no i think i just never you know i was always like i can't so i i won't even try and it gets so easy doesn't it when you get into the habit of just ordering in and eating out and I think it's such a different kind of culture in the states too yeah especially in like New York and LA yeah we do I also have friends who are amazing cooks well there you go I think my like chosen family like they often like super often like bring snacks and like I want to make dinner for you and things like that so I think it's so much better and lovelier to eat something that someone's made than you know

especially for you then to go out and order but yeah I need to just do it I need to get over myself it's time can you I mean if you if we were coming around to your house and we were like we're not cooking kim it's down to you girl i would order where do you what do you what's your most frequently ordered takeaway oh uh ramen uh from this place tatsu ramen in la i just love ramen i i i think the best ramen i've had was in australia surprisingly australia is so good for everything yeah it's it's really incredible and i think vegemite really gave them a bad rap play have you heard of marmite what is it marmite is like the meatier version that we have in britain but it's not meat in it's just you know it's just yeast but it's their version yeah actually might is bland compared to i don't know i't know I don't mind but marmite you've never tried marmite no oh my god okay management

if you're still here tomorrow Kim do you like eggs in the morning love eggs in the morning she's got to have a poached egg with marmite on toast please Tori write it down you've got to have it tomorrow also I love that your team really

embrace the British culture. They're all having Earl Grey with milk, which is unheard of when Americans come over. We have had, like, we've been, like, back and forth in the UK more than ever. And I feel like I've gotten to know so many parts of London that I love, so many restaurants. And, like, i'm legitimate legitimately like i kind of want to have a place in london i really like it here and i think like i've made some great

friends like i discovered that one of my friends from like high school from germany lives here now and we've hung out a lot and it's just been really lovely to really get to know it because i think the last few times that I came here, it was like kind of like I would spend like two nights here and then be out. But yeah, I've gotten to know so much over the last six months of London and I love it. And there's so many. You should go clubbing with Jessie. Oh God, yeah.

Wow. Where do you go clubbing? I went to Body Movements the other day, which is at Printworks. And I heard somebody that I feel like could open up for you Kim Cobra have you heard of Cobra I love Cobra Cobra's amazing I'd never heard of her and she was like uh like A-list I was like I'm in I'm in I'm sold and I thought she'd be it was so good new bitch I felt like it could have been like, like,

like I think, yeah, I loved it. Yeah. I loved it. She's, she's awesome. I think she's so cool.

So that, I mean, I don't go clubbing that much, but, um, when you do the, I, well,

I, I don't, where do I go? I'm very lucky that kind of the queer community have really embraced me. And I have missed out on like clubbing in gay clubs and queer clubs. Like it's so much better than. Oh my God. I don't know.

I'm like, I'm in, I'm a fool. I used to, it's the best. It's the best. I love that they actually just play the songs, you know, like. It's so much more fun. Yeah, I think so too. Like definitely like, I mean, for me, me that was like my i feel like gay clubs like raised me i remember like 13 14 just sneaking in in there you know in germany yeah and just like

wanting to hear kylie and madonna and like you you are you're a massive fan of kylie huge she is wonderful we all vouch that kylie is she's so and have you met her uh I have met her the first restaurant I went to in Australia Kylie was no it was it was like totally like the queen of Australia was there and like I feel like that was my sign that I you know need to spend more time in australia who's tiny who did the intro who did the intro um i did she had tweeted me previously she liked the song of mine sweet spot from clarity and she tweeted she tweeted me just like a heart and so i went up to her and i was like i'm just i just want to say that you're my queen and i love you and she was so lovely and that's what i keep

hearing about her it's just that she's a really, truly lovely person. Everybody I speak to has ever, like, met her. She's so sweet. She's so sweet. She's fun. She's a pro. And you're going to be in Sydney with her for World Pride. Yes, I'm so excited.

So I need to know more about food, darling. Okay, yeah, sorry. So you were eating around the table. Did you all eat meals together? Yeah. were eating around the table did you all eat meals together yeah i i think we all uh collectively enjoy just a lot of dishes on the table and just a little bit of everything you know i i that i think that's our favorite way of sharing everything because you're yeah of course yes of course i eat schnitzel what's your favorite schnitzel i i i name my dog schnitzel what's your favorite schnitzel I named my I named my dog schnitzel I love a dog

little schnitzel so do you like veal schnitzel yeah yeah of course veal schnitzel's great chicken schnitzel is great

is there a good schnitzel place in LA schnitzel's a great word it's just a fun word it's made me feel better already and I get to just yell it all the time

schnitzel schnitzel come here what sort of dog is. Schnitzel! Schnitzel! Come here! What sort of dog is Schnitzel? He's a little Pomeranian and it's like the color of like a schnitzel, you know, so it just made sense. But yeah, I mean, there's different, there's like ones with like the mushroom sauce on top of it, ones where you just squeeze.

Or the egg, the Holstein. I love that. Me too. And then there's Cordon Bleu, which is with the ham and cheese. But you always think you're not going to be able to manage it because it always comes out so big. But actually it's all battered out. Yeah, totally. And you always can manage it.

No, because we're greedy bitches. Well, I think the ones that I like are the really thinly pounded ones. Me too. I love that. Like crispy. Really thin and crispy and slimming because they're so thin. Yes. Kim, I love slimming.

I really believe that the first thing that you should do when you get home is do a Trader Joe's order, Whole Foods order. Okay. Rest your voice and batter, pound some meat. Okay. And make yourself a schnitzel okay i feel like you should do that that should be your beginning of your your culinary cooking do you like okay do you like potato salad like the german potato i do it's i don't know what you put in it that makes it different um mayonnaise no it's not mayonnaise i don't think there's i mean there's definitely different kinds like we have some that are more like lemony yeah yeah yeah you know not so mayonnaise

based yeah that that's probably my favorite ones sauerkraut sauerkraut i love sauerkraut um uh it's it's yeah it's it's amazing um honestly like I used to go on a lot of, uh, vacations to Austria as a kid skiing. Can you ski? Which, which town? Tyrol? Tyrol? Uh, Tyrol? To the Tyrol, yeah.

No, I used to. Yeah. But I used to go to Kitzbühel. Mum just wants to tell you about falling in love with people on the slopes. Okay, I love it. I don't ski now because I'm scared that if I fell over, I'd never ever get up again. But you can still do that pre-skiing.

Yes. I'm good at that. It's a lot of strain. Are you going to take a holiday? And where would you choose? Would you choose cold or hot? And would you choose it on its food? Yeah, I mean, honestly, miss austria a lot i think

that's why i'm like i've just been like today with like i know later we're discussing what would be my last meal and i was just kind of thinking back on like vacation skiing vacations there and like the german food in austria kind of being better than the german food in germany or yeah totally and like they have so many like incredible dishes there apple strudel mit schlag mit schlag mit schlag with cream

yeah it's just like a hit of whipped cream whipped cream like squirted out mit schlag and the apple strudel is the best I'm actually quite hungry is it ready? we shall eat and then we shall find out mitschlag mitschlag and the apple strudel is the best yeah I'm actually quite hungry okay is it ready

it is we shall eat and then we shall find out your last this is so exciting you're a bit closer to Germany right now than you are

when you're in LA yes is it do you ever feel a pull to go back or is it kind of You are a bit closer to Germany right now than you are when you're in L.A. Yes. Do you ever feel a pull to go back or is it kind of... Well, my whole family still lives there. So for my family, absolutely. And like for my friends. And sometimes I just miss like, I feel like, you know, Germans are very like cold and shut off in life emotionally.

But like when they open up, they really open up. And I miss that sometimes, you know, and like my go to karaoke bars in Cologne. I miss those. What's it called? It's called. The one I used to go to was called Di Moo Moo, which is. Yeah. And what's your karaoke song?

I mean, my karaoke song. My favorite question. What's your song? Honestly, anything Cher, but especially Strong Enough by Cher. I love that song. I love that song. Because I'm strong enough to leave without you strong enough. No, it's so good.

It's just too spicy. Not for me and Kim, I don't think. I love it. This is amazing. Last supper. So the drink I would take is something we do in Germany where you mix Coca-Cola and Fanta. And it's called Spitz. I've never heard this one.

You are the first person to give us this. And also the first person to do the drink is the first thing. I love this. Darling, just say the word again. Spitz. Spitz. And what does it mean? It doesn't't really mean anything that's just the name of it and it's s-p-i-t-s-p-e-z-i and you go fancy a spitsy yeah and what kind of day would you be having a spitsy a kid's party or would you still be having one right now, Kim? Yeah, I would be having one right now, for sure. Like, honestly, any occasion.

That's like, I just like, I love kind of the classic, like, I think Coca-Cola for me is such a, like, classic, just good, always the same drink. You know where you're at. Totally. Like, you just always know what you're going to get. So I love that about it. I can't say I'm that enthused

to try it, Kim. Orange with Coca-Cola. I mean, what booze are you going to put in there? You have to try it. Oh, what booze could you put in there? I've never really drank it

with booze, but I guess you could put vodka in it. A spitzy vodka. Yeah, a spitzy vodka. When would you drink that? When you go clubbing? No. Could you get it in a club

life would they remind you of what just reminds me of like my childhood it's like definitely just something that like started in my childhood that i think i just like would like want to go back to if it was my last my last meal what's your what's your starter going to be? Honestly, I just really like a really good, like, steamed spinach with garlic. Like, I love it. That's your... No, Kim, I'm sorry. It was going so well. That's a fucking side dish, babe.

That's not your starter. Darling, I've almost got it here i feel like the main dish like i would want to do like a chicken parm as the main dish chicken parm from anywhere in particular yes arte in new york shout out i've like went on like a chicken parm hunt when i found out about it because like honestly like here in europe chicken parm hunt when I found out about it. Because, like, honestly, like, here in Europe, chicken parm isn't really, like, in Germany, it isn't a thing. Well, it's kind of a tomatoey schnitzel. Yeah. Yeah.

And I would have said that schnitzel would have been my favorite thing because I just, like, love schnitzel always. But do they put breadcrumbs on a chicken parm? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. So it's chicken breast. Is it cheese in there?

It's mozzarella, not parmesan, though. It's both. Oh, is it't know that. Oh, yeah. So it's chicken breast. Is it cheese in there? It's mozzarella, not parmesan, though. It's both. Oh, is it both? Yeah. It's delicious. Do you want some more spinach pie? I want it all, Mum. What would your starter be?

I'm sure you've said this a million times. Always. Jessie likes my chicken soup. Oh, her chicken soup's great. I love a chicken soup. I also love a French onion soup. Oh, yes. I just love it. But I feel like it wouldn't go with a chicken pie no like that would be too insane don't think about that though i think you can have your spinach your bloody steamed garlic spinach

which i love it i like that you like it but that really that just is an extra dish no totally and then you have a little onion, I like that, French onion soup. Yeah. With a gruyere, like, kind of baguette bit. They're like, you get that crouton,

that massive crouton. Totally. I love a crouton. Oh, yeah. Honestly, I wouldn't need croutons as well. Yeah. Just croutons.

So we're having French onion soup, some spinach on the side. Yeah. Chicken parm. From this place, what's it called again? IT in New York, shout out. Arte. Mm-m. From this place. What's it called again? Arte in New York.

Shout out. Arte. Mm-hmm. Never been there. I was going to say, it's like pretty classic New York. Mm-hmm. And we've been to like at least like 10 places or something like in like one week and tried like chicken parm everywhere.

Really compared them. We made like a list. I love this. Of like all the cons and pros because we were just really obsessed with finding it.

I want to do it again, honestly. I want to find more places to try chicken parms and just find like the best one. Well, listeners, if you know any

good chicken parm places for Kim Petras, please send them to us at hello at tablemannerspodcast.com and we'll send them on. You got a sweet tooth kim i do but i think i'm i'm usually more of a savory person okay um there's one dish i really want to

talk about which is uh gam knudel which is like a it's like a yeasty dumpling with hot um plum like compote in the middle. Vanilla sauce. Kanado. Yeah. Vanilla sauce on top of it and poppy seeds. And it's the most. Jesus, where'd you get that? And that just.

Is that apres-ski? That's very apres-ski. And it's like my mom used to make that. She can make it. She can make it. I think we need that recipe. Mm-hmm. What's it called?

Gam knudel. Gam meaning? It's like germ. G-E-R-M, because it's yeast, I guess. Oh, germ knudel. Yeah, gam knudel. They're stunning. I've got to show you guys.

That sounds great. I was thinking about them this morning, and I was just like... Let me see a picture. Yes, they look like that. Oh, my goodness. They're so good. So they're like let me see a picture yes they look like that oh my goodness they're so so they're like a bit like a pancake yeah but they're i guess they're really puffy yeah so dumpling dumpling vibes is your and your mom's good at that yeah somehow she knows how to do that and i think that's really impressive and i gotta ask her how she does it and who is going

to be at your last supper oh who's going to be there it could be a famous person it could be family it can be a bit of both whatever you want uh probably have my mom have people from my team my team has really become my family my team has been with me since you'll start since like none of us had a career or anything. We just found each other and stuck together. Where did you find each other? On random shoots, things, LA, hustling. And yeah, Gilbert and Tori was here and Iggy.

They've just been with me for a long time. And they've really become like my family. So I would love to have them with me for a long time. And I just, they've really become like my family. So I would love to have them with me. And all three of my dogs. You've got three. Schnitzel, Carl, and Tilda. Carl after Carl Lagerfeld. Mm-hmm.

And Tilda after Tilda Swinton. Yes. Shut up, really. Tilda Swinton is my favorite actress. Are they all Pomeranians? Mm-mm. Carl is a pug. Oh, I don't know ifl lagerfeld would have been happy with what she thinks um uh he uh he's he's a black pug he's very uh very cute and uh tilda is a little chihuahua mix uh i don't know what she fully is. I need to do a DNA test. But she's just like a larger chihuahua.

Is she yappy? She's nervous. Oh, really? She's just like shaky. Oh, bless her. You know, stuff like that. But not as yappy as you would think. Honestly, the Pomeranians, Schnitzel's the yappiest out of all of them.

Who's got your dogs now? They're at the Dog Hotel in LA. I've heard about this place can you tune in to them on CCTV and see what they're doing in their big one they have a little bed and a little TV it's like going to Sunset Tower for dogs it's got a funny little name

I think it's called Chateau Marmotte yes well I know one called Chateau Marmotte. Yes. Marmotte. Well, I know one called Chateau Marmotte. Are you in love? Unfortunately, no. But maybe, you know, single, ready to mingle. Yeah, definitely single, ready to mingle. But also, I just, like, I enjoy my life so much.

This is what I've been working towards. I'm exactly the same as Kim. Yeah, I just, just you know I love being this busy it makes me feel like alive and happy and I honestly kind of think it would be you don't have to be responsible for anyone oh I'm going away and then

oh are you going away again and all that yeah I think like if anyone wanted to date me right now they kind of have to chase me around the world which like kind of glam if anyone wanted to date me right now, they kind of have to chase me around the world, which, like, kind of glam. If anyone wants to do that, feel free. But, you know, I just, like, I'm never in the same place for long enough

to really have a relationship. But I date. I go on dates. But I'm not, like... Do you mind being... I don't need it. No, you don't. I'm exactly like you, Kim. I think we've got a lot in common.

You don't go on dates, though, Mum. No. You don't need them. I don't need the dates, Kim. I think we've got a lot in common. You don't go on dates, though, Mum. No. You don't need them. I don't need the dates, darling. And I'm not going to be a nurse or a purse now at my age. A nurse or a purse. Oh, my God. My friend's Andreas.

Nurse or purse. That's amazing. When you get to my age, you're either a nurse or a purse. Dealing with their life. That's funny. Yeah. I think there's always love around yeah maybe but also i feel like you know a lot more than me but i want to i want to

hear about you you've you've talked about the hustle i want to hear about how hard that hustle was and was there ever one point a point i don't believe there probably was that where you thought you know what this is too much I'm gonna go and do something completely different um no I I mean I so the way I got into the music industry was by writing jingles in Germany so I wrote a laundry detergent commercial for vernell in Germany when I was 16 oh my god i'm not i'm never gonna reveal it it's very embarrassing um uh but people you know uh that got me a publishing contract and then i started writing jingles and i was like oh i can just write jingles in my bedroom and of course i was also doing my demos because i always like i had a passion for writing so i just what age were you writing the jingle because Because you got signed...

Yeah, I was 16 when I wrote the jingle and I was 17 when I signed the publishing deal. So that was awesome. But I have been writing since I was like 12 because I just, I really didn't really have friends at all. I lived very far out in school and it was a different time. And being transgender back then

was really just not like the thing you know everyone just thought it was like strange you know so so you're 30 now uh yeah yeah I just turned 30 yeah um and I'm really happy about it and I feel like all you know all the work has paid off. But I moved to L.A. at 18. I didn't really know anyone. And I slept on studio couches. I slept in garages of random people. I just, you know, for the first two, three years, nothing really happened. And it was pretty rough for sure.

But like, I mean, that's what you just have to do. Was your mom worried about you? Yeah, they were definitely all worried about me. And just, like, you know, I don't come from money. So there wasn't really, my mom always believed in me. What's your mom do? My mom is a dance teacher. She used to have her own little dance studio.

And I loved her dance studio. And I remember, like, her, just, like, her students, like really loved her. And it was like a lot of gay guys and a lot of, you know, just LGBTQ people who just love to dance. And so that's kind of the environment that I grew up in. And she's always been supportive. Yes. And she's been like the really accepting mother of me who just really believed me and just really you know gave me hope that like I could you know live life because thing about you know trans kids sometimes is that they don't

believe they can you know ever fit into society and you know so yeah I owe a lot to my mom I love my mom and moms in general moms are very loving yeah remember that i i remember seeing a this morning interview you did yeah and you were on to promote music yeah but that was not the conversation i mean how many years ago was that that was 14 years ago yeah well it's a different time very different but it was very much about you being a trans girl. Thank you so much. It was very much. I hope they don't take your teeth out.

And then at the end, it just goes, and you've got some music out. And I feel like you dealt with it. So you've always been such an amazing advocate. Thank you. And that was what, 14 years ago? Yeah that I did that and I did my first documentary in Germany when I was around 12. Right. When I started my transition and you know it was dead naming they were they were calling me a transvestite on TV it was I was fully like built into being a joke and the headline was always like from boy to girl from tim to kim

you know it was always just like really brutal and i i think it really fueled me to prove to people i i i actually have talent you know um and i my goal with that was just like to be open about it but like of course the main thing is i made music since I was a kid. And no one really wanted to mention that back then. And I'm glad about that because my music wasn't as good as it is now. Everyone starts out somewhere and gets better and gets better. And that's something I'm really proud of. It's just that I kept getting better and working on the quality of the music and uh so yeah i'm i'm proud of that but definitely like i think the media was really brutal so i i just can like thank you yeah no it's like sometimes it's

just like do you think it's different in germany to america um are they now owning you and being like oh kim petras no really no i i think i think with in germany like i mean that's really why i like felt like i had to move out because it was really like i was like the joke in in germany you know like it was it was tough like i was like and definitely like wanting to you know find a boyfriend things like that like i was like, and definitely like wanting to, you know, find a boyfriend, things like that. Like I was like on like nine gag forums. Like I was like, it's a trap meme, you know, all of that stuff. So it was, it was tough and I had a lot to prove and I did. And now look at me.

Yeah. Yeah. And now I'm sitting here eating a lovely meal with you guys do you still feel compelled to um promote the the transgender argument or do people often push you into that and and that you actually you want to talk about your music but like before every time you're interviewed that always is the thing that comes up well that's kind of I think that's the thing that I've learned I want to be open about it I want to talk about it it's a part of who I am it's a part of why I make you know the music that I make why I have the perspective

that I have it's all a part of me and I just you know I never I think the one thing my mom always taught me was to you to always don't have secrets because secrets give people ammunition against you. And that's always the way that I've lived my life, just be an open book and let everyone judge and just hope that someone's going to like it. And so I never want to hide it and I want to talk about it. And I think honestly, like yeah it's really crazy how people

are towards trans people still to this day that girl got murdered this weekend because she was trans yeah a little 15 year old girl was murdered 16 year old girl transgender stabbed stabbed by two boys two 15 year olds a girl and a boy that killed her because she's trans. Yeah, no, it's horrible. And in America, I mean, the violence against especially black trans girls is horrific. And nothing's getting done about it. So, yeah, I feel a need to talk about it because I care and I care about the community. And it's a community that's always given me hope.

And I have some friends that are very dear to me and I want nothing to happen to them. And I just, I think it's time that it becomes something that you're not ashamed of and that you can be open about. And it's, you know, if you look back into history and stuff, there's always been people who felt like they were, you know, either a bit of both genders or, you know, intersex or all of those things. And people just forget and act like it's this new thing. But it's just always been there. It's always been there. Yeah, I'm doing this interview about this amazing artist, Amanda

Lear, who had a big disco hit, Queen of Chinatown, back in the day. And she was not openly transgender, but she was like, had a big disco hit here in Europe. And then later on came out as transgender, which is amazing. But I just, you know, I love the history. There's always been like trans musicians who, you know, maybe weren't very open about it. But then later when people found out, you know, became heroes. And so, yeah, I just want to wrap those people and keep their names alive and that that stuff's important to me so I'm gonna do it you're amazing thank you and I'm like so excited

for you you've got your album um I mean you've what you've had 50 songs out you said yeah something this is your debut record technically technically yeah how does this work let's talk about this so I've been an independent artist I've had uh bunhead records um is that your own label yeah and um i i signed to republic records with universal about a year and a half ago so this is my first major label right debut so you know that it's it's that moment but technically I already have two to three albums out, which I'll love. And I have a Halloween album. It's called Turn Off the Light,

which is probably my favorite project I've ever done. And it's really spooky. It's like spooky disco vibes. If you ever feel like checking it out, let me know what you think. I just feel like you would like it. It's a haunted house that she just did. Oh, yeah, of course.

Love haunted things. I want to talk about the eye makeup for the Brits. It was kind of a bit like a glamorous spider woman. It was really amazing. Thank you. Who did it? Gilbert Solis, my amazing makeup artist. One of your team that would be around at your dinner table.

Yep, that would be at my dinner table. I'm such a talented person. I love people who just love expression, you know, of the, of themselves and how they feel. And we were just kind of talking about like, I was looking at these hypnotization spirals.

And so we were just like, wouldn't, wouldn't it be cool if we did that because right now with like the grammy performance was right after it and we felt like oh it feels like everyone's just being like brainwashed into you know so we were like let's do brainwash eyes and so that's where we ended up with like the spidery uh oh i love that yeah that's fantastic Kim Petras thank you so much for doing this beautiful food you are the busiest woman in show business I swear to god and you've made time and you've been so gorgeous and wonderful and I'm so thrilled for you for all the success

you are so deserving of it thank you and I love seeing how much you're enjoying it too and you're appreciating it and I'm relishing it. And as somebody in music, I'm just like, I'm fist pumping. I'm pumping the air. I'm so, so proud and happy for you. Thank you so much. I'm so excited to meet you. And your mother is incredible.

The food was incredible. Next time. Next time. Lenny is bringing the chicken soup and the spit seed to us going in the studio yes please i would love nothing more absolutely you can look after schnitzel tilda and call the pug i can't actually deal with it thank you karen thank you so much darling darling. Kim Petra.

Sweet, gorgeous, kind, lovely, sunny Kim, who is like just fuelled by Disney and caffeine and champagne our kind of girl and haunted houses um did you enjoy yourself loved it she was a delight she's so polite she was like a really good dinner guest as well very polite enthusiastic don't know if she liked the food or not but she ate it all we loved having her she is the busiest girl in show business at the moment she's fantastic um what a wonderful trailblazer pop star extraordinaire i'd like you to go and

listen to my coconuts now mum i'm going to my coconuts you can put them in your mouth see what you think she's she amazing. Burr is out now. And we can't wait for the album, Kim, coming out on Republic and Ireland. Yeah. Need to get those Groot ears. And we'll see you next week for more Table Manners. Yes. Thank you.