Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S17 Ep 2: Finneas

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

Season 17 is off to a brilliant start and this week we have the gorgeous Finneas joining us for lunch at mums on his flying 48 hour visit to the UK. This episode was recorded post mum’s birthday celebrations and she partied so hard she lost her voice… Finneas is part of a prolific songwriting duo with his sister Billie Eilish and he joined us to talk about his brand new solo album project. We also learned all about his favourite food spots in LA, his love of musical theatre, the orange birthday cake his mum used to make him and he does a phenomenal impression of TM’s friend Benny Blanco! Mum also tried to send him all the way to New York with an opened tub of coconut yoghurt and left over guacamole… of course. Finneas' new album ‘For Cryin’ Out Loud’ is out now. He will also be touring worldwide through 2025. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here at Lenny's. Yep. Post birthday. Post 73rd birthday. Can you not mention my age all the time? No, I think we should mention it because you look amazing. Okay fine. And also you had people at yours till 2.30 in the morning. Yeah. Because of course you had a do on your birthday. I had a party because I'm going to celebrate every year now because as your father told me I'm in Sniper's Alley now. And that is why you're not with my father anymore. Always the optimist hey. So you cooked for people on your birthday. I didn't, I ordered it. Oh yes mum. And it was so delicious thanks to Metza.

Do you know how much it cost? 22 people and there was food over it, masses 250 cred. Oh my god that's so cheap. It was so cheap and so delicious absolutely gorgeous. You throw such a good do. Yeah. That people don't want to leave do they? No they don't. Some people left early. So you've lost your voice because you had a good time? I was up till 2.30. Did you have a good time? I had a lovely time. Did you have music playing? No because we're so old we can't hear anyway. If you have music good time? I had a lovely time. Did you have music playing? No, because we're so old we can't hear anyway. If you have music in the background that makes the noise for us. People sat and talked. It wasn't a dancing party. As my sister-in-law Gwen would say, it was a stand up and chat party. Okay. I have just been in Los Angeles in San Francisco doing my last

show for this tour. The Pearl is closed. The Pearl is closed for refurbishments and I made the most out of being in Los Angeles by eating well and San Francisco I treated myself and my friends to the French Laundry. Was it delicious? So people may not know about the French Laundry. I feel like lots of our listeners will. It's in Napa and it's Thomas Keller and it's the free Michelin star restaurant

because I started my 40th birthday celebrations early and basically spanning it over September, October and November. Six months, yes. I don't know, may as well, I don't know, celebrate becoming 40. But it was absolutely delicious. And the funniest thing I think about it was that you go to a three-star prestigious fine dining place and it's stunning.

Everything looks visually so beautiful. And then the music they have on is like Uptown Funk and Sabrina Carpenter. So you think you're going to be getting like French classical music? You think you're going to get like Eric Satie? I don't know. Or California? No, we had Uptown Funk, Espresso. It's probably Invigorating. No, it was kind of really fun and it really like relaxed the atmosphere. The atmosphere is really relaxed the atmosphere. The atmosphere is really relaxed anyway, which I love, even though- How was your nephew?

My baby nephew came. I think he's one of the youngest people to eat at French Laundry. Yeah, he was very, they said he was the best behaved baby they've ever had. But anyway, it was really, really fabulous. So shout out to everybody that looked after us there. I also ate in Los Angeles at Bestia, which I know lots of our guests have enjoyed. It was bloody good. They do this bone marrow, this bone, no I would have been the same. Bone marrow pasta. It was amazing mum. So good that I would do it at home and I'm not a bone marrow gal.

I don't even like the flavour of it Jess. Well you haven't tried this it was absolutely phenomenal. Was it like Marmite? It was so good. Today we have... We're not gonna give him bone marrow. We're not gonna give him bone marrow. No we have the overachiever.

Well he's part of a very famous sibling couple. He is absolutely fantastic. He is called Phineas and he is coming on to talk about his second album. I loved it. He's got such a great voice. It's really joyous. It's all about a breakup though isn't it? Or somebody doing him wrong. We'll have to chat to him. I love it was quite upbeat for someone who's pissed off. He's having a good time. He's won two Oscars I think. I think he's won every Grammy under the sun. His sister's doing really well.

That old sweet little Billie Eilish, she's doing okay, isn't she? And I was rewatching the Billie Eilish documentary and yeah, he's just a lovely big brother, but he's also incredibly talented. Also, when I was doing my research, did not know that he was also in Glee. You're kidding.

No, I know. Which one was it? Season six. Oh, I think I'd given that up. Yeah, I think I'd given up too. Sorry. But I think that happened before Billy's first record came out.

But anyway, he's just amazing. He's coming on. He is probably one of the most lauded songwriters in the world. What have you made, Mum? Well, the instruction were vegan, so I've tried very, very hard because I'm trying to explain my vegan and vegetarian repertoire.

Yeah, you've really improved. You're not so rude about them now. I'm not so rude. I've made a vegan mushroom tart, which involves not just mushrooms. I think they under told you the mushrooms because I did at least twice as much. They will shrink.

Well, they told me three cups and I must have done eight cups and it's still quite low. Who's the recipe? I don't know, it's a vegan recipe I found online. What is it? It's mushroom tart and you make a cashew nut cream. Yum.

Which you. That's so cafe gratitude of you, mum. Is it very? Yeah. And with rosemary, so I've made a vegan tart, I've made some pea and avocado guacamole, beetroot and tomato and red onion. Yum. I've made some pita chips with zata on the top. Yeah, gorgeous. Which I thought would be nice. Do you think that's enough or do you think I should do a green salad? I think it sounds great. And then for pud? Well, our lovely friend Judith

gave me quinces from her garden. Judith is the sweetest person in the world, and always around Rosh Hashanah. You always get in touch with each other, and she always gives you her quinces. Yeah, so I've done poached quince with some raspberries on the top, and I've got the coconut yogurt stuff that you like.

Phineas, coming up on Take a Moment. ["Take a Moment"] Phineas, you've walked in. Hi. With the friendliest entourage I think I've ever met. Oh, that's nice to hear. And you are in and out. You are like...

What a beautiful house this is, by the way. Thanks for having us here. You are lovely. I think the last time I saw you, you were... You were held up in... In Benny's attic. Benny's attic, writing hits for him. As you do.

Well, with. Yeah, with. With, sorry, with. Yeah, absolutely. And you've been in London, I think, for like, what, 48 hours or something? Something like that, yeah. It's been nice. The weather's been really good.

Yeah, I know. This is unusual, though. You know this. You've got like beautiful fall autumn weather. Yes. Which we don't get that much. We got picked up from the airport and the driver was like, the weather's great for you. And the weather, by the way, for LA is still chilly and gray, right?

But everyone that I've seen in London is like in a park, so happy to be in a rare day of not raining. So you, you, you had a lovely glam person called Josh Knight with you. Josh Knight. Shout out Josh Knight. And he's been saying that he was excited for you to do this podcast. Is Josh the reason that we got you to do the booking? No, I love you and I was excited to meet you.

And thank you. And no, but Josh, I think is an avid listener and he was like, she's going to make you the best. So which leads me to Lenny. Probably a lot of pressure for you. What's on the menu, mum? Well, you're vegan. So I've done my best.

It's not my best repertoire in cooking. You're lucky, about three years ago, she used to just say, I don't want him on. I don't want him on, I can't cook. I've made a vegan mushroom tart. I've made some, a pea and mint guacamole. I've made a tomato and beetroot salad. I'm so spoiled.

Just a green salad, and there is some shop bought hummus if you want it. And. And I made pita chips with... You made pita chips? Yeah. Dang, I'm so excited. You probably had a huge breakfast and you don't want it. I had a cold plant-based sausage roll from Nero Cafe. Oh, Nero Cafe made it sound so much more sexy than Cafe Nero. Nero Cafe. I suppose that's my my mouth problem. How long have you been a vegan? All your life? Okay, so I've been vegetarian my whole life.

Were your parents vegetarian? Okay, so you've never eaten meat? Never eaten meat. Made it easy. Do you ever want to try? Listen, I'm sure it's delicious. I'm sure people are not eating it because it tastes bad. But it's easy to not start. Have you eaten well whilst you've been in London? I have actually went to Deschum last night. Of course you bloody did.

I love my Deschum. I mean, what's your order at Deschum? Well, there's so many vegetarian options that I'll get different stuff every time. But last night I had their Matar, which was so good. Nice. What's Matar, darling? It's like a curry, like a pea, paneer curry. I like their Tarkadal as well. It's so good.

Everything's good. What's a place you love to eat in LA? So I was there last week and I had a really good meal. I mean, Benny always takes me to Jitlada, which I can't imagine is fabulous for a vegetarian vegan. I've been, yeah. Yeah, that was great. Good pets to you.

I don't know if we got that, but we got everything else. When Benny goes to Jitlada, it's they start to bring items to the table and they run out of real estate. So they're bringing another item and you have to like, suddenly you're just like holding the curry in your lap. Yes, totally. It's crazy. And Jazz, who is Jitlada, will ring him after saying how much she loves him and to say goodbye.

And it cracks me off, it's amazing. Where else did I eat when I was there? Bestia. Bestia, which I'd never been to. Bestia's really good. Yeah, and lots of people have talked about it on the podcast and I've been to Saffis. What sort of food is it?

It's the same people that do Saffis and Bavelle. But it was bloody good. Yeah, it's really good. It was unbelievable. And then where else did I eat that was fab? Just go to Griekmans fab? Go to Greekmans. Went to Greekmans. My sister's... Greekmans is great.

Do you go? I've been to Greekmans. I live near Greekmans, yeah. Okay, so that's... Oh, come on then. Do it, Mark. So that's my daughter's boyfriend. How cool is that? Do you know Jonah? Have you met him? No, not personally. I just have been a fan of his restaurant.

It's great. You must have the... I bet you have the mushroom... The mushroom kebab street. ...souflati. You know exactly what I'm eating there. Yeah, it's delicious. I also had sushi foomy. I ate well there. Sounds like it, yeah. I always say sushi foomy.

I always say sushi foomy. I always say sushi foomy. I always say sushi foomy. I always say sushi foomy. I always say sushi. You know exactly what I'm eating there. Yeah, it's delicious. I also had sushi foo mee. I ate well there. Sounds like it. I always eat well there. I was saying that I also really appreciated Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop Kitchen for a few salads. Is that a bad thing? I don't know. No, I haven't been there, but I've, but no. Just for a delivery to the studio, it was great. But back to you, Phineas. Can I just say you have got the most gorgeous speaking voice.

That's very sweet of you to say. Do lots of people say that? No, it's just you. It is so soothing. It is. And gorgeous. And Californian. You should be on the car map or something,

telling us all a bedtime story. When you said car map, I thought maybe you meant like a GPS navigation system. We could do that too. Which I could do too. I could be telling you where to turn left and right. I would trust you. I would do as you told me. Nice. But you've also got a gorgeous singing voice.

That's very sweet of you. I listen to your whole album. You're really flattering me. This is crazy. That's why we're here, darling. And you know, of course, we'll talk about your gorgeous sibling in a bit, but... Please. The album was made with your best mates? It was made with a bunch of my really close friends, yeah.

And lots of them are also touring with you. I kind of love... Yeah. Yeah. So can you tell me what brought you all together? I was seeing on the writing credits, it's usually the same gang. It's a phalanx, yeah. So I made the last album under my own name really alone in a room, just sort of privately. And it was a kind of a lonely experience.

I'm proud of those songs, but the time spent doing it was lonely and made me feel a little crazy just because I had nobody to sort of talk about the work with. That's the talking about. Yes, exactly. And so on this cycle, I spent the last several years outside of working with Billy, kind of socially,

just being friends with a bunch of writer producers, much like being friends with Benny. And so this girl, Lucy Healy, and my friends, Maranelli and Ricky, and I just spent all this time with them, and I think they're really talented. And so I said, hey, what's, what if we did a week where we wrote some songs for my project

and maybe it'll be fun and we'll do it all live. We'll be in a recording studio, we'll all be mic'd up. And it first of all was a really fun experience and it was really creatively satisfying. Stuff just poured out and after about a week we had about half the record I mean you and you've done these sessions, you know, sometimes sometimes work just happens really fast And so I thought oh I gotta keep doing this so we did three weeks and we did the whole record like that

and then I took it home and okay did a bunch of vocals and like My live vocal while we're all writing the song was milk toast, so later on I could go in and record it for hours and hours and not worry about taking up too much time. Do you, I mean, because obviously you collaborate a lot, I mean, always with your sister, but also you write for other people as well a little bit. And so I can imagine that, do you feel like going forward

that you will, if you do any more Finneas solo records, this is the way you will do it, or do you think you'll always switch out? It sure was fun, I would definitely do it again, but I think probably, you've made many albums, I think it's all about what feels right at the time. You've made an album one way and that worked that time, and then you're in a different season of your life

and you have to make it a different way. How, you're going on tour, well, you're, and you've been playing, I can't actually, I was looking at your Instagram and I swear you were playing like, what was it, the Ford. Ford in LA, which is very small. I swear that was on like Friday night. That was on Thursday. Okay, and then you, and then did you do banquet?

Banquet yesterday, that was really fun. In prison, was it in prison? It was really fun. It's such a lovely. That is like the nicest venue and the audience is right up, right up on you. It was a really great experience. It's, it's a really, there's such a special, um, record store in Kingston. It's beautiful. I mean, I've been doing those gigs for banquet, whether it was as a backing singer, for my friends bands in the store and then to being able to do it.

And it's just, it's so fun. It was really fun. We did like proper matinee. We played it 2 p.m. Oh, lovely. It was awesome. I love, like, the thing I love the most about a music festival is that I'm not the headliner. And so I play it three or four in the afternoon and then my nerves are gone afterward

because I'm done with my performance and then I can have some dinner and I can watch the headliner do a show. And so yesterday felt a little like that. I was playing when I still had energy. And I, yeah. Well, and you're gonna be supporting your sister. So that's gonna be perfect.

Being in support is the best. Last one in. I'll play before her and then I'll take my stuff off the stage and I'll have some food and I'll go watch her show. It'll be great. It's so nice. You can digest. You can enjoy.

You can get a decent night's sleep because the adrenaline's calmed down. We did not to sort of besmirch a thing that we feel lucky about, but in 2019, we played often like direct support or third to the top of every festival. Yeah. And Billy's first album was so big that year. And I remember like the

feeling of like, we'd always be playing at sunset or something like that. And we'd walk off stage. And you'd walk by like the headliners crew. And you'd be like, beat that motherfucker. Like that whole the vibe was so exciting. Yeah. And also, again, it's like the audience is still fresh. And then we headlined all those festivals in 2021 and 2022 and that was a huge honor, but it was way more stressful. First of all, the inverse, like I remember specifically playing Austin City Limits and Billie was headlining and Doja Cat was right before her. And I remember being so intimidated by how good she was, you know, that sort of like, oh my God, we have to follow that. It was so stressful, you know, and Billy's amazing,

but that was my private feeling of like, this is incredible. But when she's singing, do you play as well? Billy, yeah. Yeah. I've been playing in her band for years. So you're going to be doing your own bit and then going back on stage to support the helper? I'll do as much as I can, but yeah,

Billy is on tour right now without me for the first time. Can she manage? She's doing great, yeah yeah she's got a great crew and a great band we miss each other but... But your voice is so special if you're doing any vocals That's very sweet of you. But can she replace or? There's a thing called backing tracks. Yeah she has backing tracks she also has two of her really close girlfriends singing with her. Okay. These sisters that she's known for years,

Ava and Jane, who have beautiful voices also and they have a nice blend. How's your writer gonna differ from your sisters? Okay, I'm curious to know what you think about your writer. My writer is purposefully very boring because when I first started touring, it was stuff like Oreos and chocolate bars and crackers. And then I would eat those every day and feel bad.

So now my rider is like an apple and a ginger shot and some sparkling, like really boring so that I'm not eating junk food every day. I know, my band has a slightly sexier rider in their room. So they'll have like the Harry bow and maybe like, and they'll always kind of go in there and steal a bit. I do this too, yeah, this is, yeah. But my mom comes into my room

and she's literally like, what is this shit? So boring. It's just so boring, there's nothing to drink properly. And you get my one bottle of champagne out of the... All right, if you were headlining a show, what would your rider be? Oh, I'd have lobster, caviar. Naked men.

Naked men, being served by naked men, smoked salmon. Yeah, but I mean, I can imagine the smell of that when you're doing hair and makeup for three hours or whatever. Lobster, caviar, and naked men. Yeah. I think you would tire of naked men so fast. I wouldn't have naked men. Jessie's trying to big me up as a party.

I lost my voice this weekend. I think it sounds kind of good. No, because I had a party. Is it your birthday? Yeah. Happy birthday. Thank you, darling. And people didn't leave till two o'clock.

And then I was very tired the next day. What did you do for your birthday? I went out for lunch with Jesse and her husband and children and my son. Fun. Which is my favorite. Wholesome. Yeah.

And then I had a party here. At the house. Yeah. Until two in the morning. Yeah. You guys playing music? Were you singing? No. This is why I said I said was there any music?

I would play music, but I just got to tell you, when you get a bit older, no one can hear anything. So if I have music in the background, I started off with my music in the background, no one could hear it because everyone's hard of hearing. Three people had to turn the hearing aids up. So I had to turn the music off. So I thought that maybe the reason you lost your voice was shouting over music, but it was actually just that you had deaf friends. There were 30 odd people in this room.

That's a lot of people. And 30 people in a room gets really echoey and it does get quite loud. That's a big pet peeve of mine at a restaurant. Me too! If it's too loud it drives me crazy. You know, I went out to a restaurant the other day and actually I think this was the stop. Naaman. Naaman. Well Goldie's.

Are you likely to return? It was gorgeous but I couldn't hear. Four. Well, Goldie's. Where is, oh you like the return. It was gorgeous, but I couldn't hear. Four of us actually couldn't hear. Johnny, my friend has got an app that tells you which restaurant is the loudest. Are they loud? No, that sounds so Karen of him. It's the most old.

I don't care. That's geriatric. I don't care. Does he check the decibels? Jesse, I don't want to go somewhere where I can't hear someone speaking. A restaurant, I'm doing a shout out so you learn. There's a restaurant called Hippo in Los Angeles

in Highland Park that's really good. It's too loud. Put some stuff on the ceiling. It's just absurd. Yeah, so your two steps. If you walk in there and it hurts your ears, it's so loud. Just from people talking.

Yeah, tired of it. All modern restaurants are all hard. There's no flat wallpaper or carpet. Most places aren't even wood. They're metal and marble and reflective surfaces. Glass. But if you're going out for dinner and there's four or five people and you want to be able to hear what they're saying. Yeah. Take me back to growing up with your sister, your mum and dad and eating around the dinner table. Who was cooking and what were you eating? What's a memorable dish? Our mom is a great cook up with your sister, your mum and dad and eating around the dinner table. Who was cooking

and what were you eating? What's a memorable dish? Our mum is a great cook, much like your mum. And she loved to cook all sorts of stuff. I mean, we were little kids, right? So I'm picturing meals for picky eaters. I'm picturing things like spaghetti and marinara and garlic bread. She was always good and I bet you were good also. She cooked vegetables like broccoli really well and I think when you have, as a kid, sometimes kids find vegetables a little gross but I think it's because sometimes they're not cooked

particularly well, you know what I mean? Or they're not seasoned or whatever. As a kid, I had no complaints with some broccoli or some asparagus or some, you know what I mean? Some spinach, whatever. Yeah, I remember liking that. She made a yellow curry that we really loved. Was there like tofu in it? Tofu and carrot and potato and peas.

Phineas, do you like tofu? I love tofu, yeah. Do you? This is the thing. How do you grow to like it? You have your seeds in it, to like it. It's not that you... Tofu is a... It's the texture. But there's so many ways to like what's the... I feel like if you had like a mapo tofu or something I would not like that either, but tofu is like any sort of

protein. You can cook it so many ways and it's very absorbent of flavor. It's so good. The place that she's talking about, the Jitlada place, like I bet the tofu is so good at Jitlada. I've had tofu at Jitlada. It's so good. It's not just like kind of smooth sponge. No, no. You can cook it to a, you can char it and grill it and you make it crispy. It's so malleable. Do you cook it? Yeah, I love to cook. Okay. So if we were coming around for dinns, what would be on the menu? I'll tell you what my favorite thing to do has become I go to either the farmers market if it's a weekend or I'll go to a Store like McCall's and Atwater and they have such good fresh produce and I see what's there

You know, I just went recently and I was like, wow that asparagus looks so incredible and I either I know a recipe or I'll look up You know Japanese sweet potato recipe asparagus recipe and I'll look up these recipes and I'll kind of make amalgams of Recipes that I like and then I'll sort of freestyle. So That would probably be my favorite way to do it would be like a couple weeks ago Like the best-looking peaches I'd ever seen at the store and we just made like a burrata peach situation on some toast, it was so good. Delicious.

Can you eat burrata for me? Yeah, I'm vegetarian. Oh, you're vegetarian. Yeah. I wish someone had told me. Don't, it's fine, it's fine. Okay. Don't just swallow it. I like to eat vegan, I love to eat vegan.

Okay, fine. This would be great. I have to fly, this is good for the people on my flight. I was gonna ask you, what's the vegan food like and which airline does the best vegetarian food? The food on airplanes is horrible. I love it. I love airline meals. I just love them.

I love the neatness of them. I love that they're small. I think it sounds to me like you like bento. Yes, my baby. Yeah, I probably do like that. Yes, I like little bits and bobs. I like bits and bobs and I love being served. I don't, I can't argue with either of these two things.

I think it's cute to see the symmetry of a little bit of rice, you know, a little tiny thing and a little cookie, tiny cookie. But the food on airplanes is terrible. I can't agree with you about airplanes. So what are you going to do for your long haul to LA? Are you going to bring your own meal? You're going to Prague? Well, first of all, I'm only going to New York, so I'm, it's not as airplanes. So what are you gonna do for your long haul to LA? Are you gonna bring your own meal? You're going to Prez?

Well, first of all, I'm only going to New York, so I'm not as long. Oh, that's easy. But I'll probably go to a Prez-a-Manger at the airport and I'll grab some veggie sandwich or something. Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, I mean, if you haven't tried the posh cheese and pickle baguette.

I had the posh cheese and pickle baguette yesterday. It's fantastic. It's really good. It's fantastic. I was really good. It's fantastic. I was pretty shocked. Now somebody's tipped us off that you do very good impressions. Who ratted me out on this?

Did Benny tell you that? No, your team told me. Now I've never known. I googled. What is this person drinking to? I can do it. Oh, it's Oliver. The impression that I'll do that will that.

Were you about to say will blow your mind? I was not about to say that. I was about to say that'll make any sense. Because people that do impressions do impressions of celebs, right? And I do impressions of friends of mine. Are you about to do a Benny Blanco? Well, it would only have... it could only be Benny. That would be the only person that would make sense to you. And we're gonna go to Gelata, this food is,

it's literally gonna turn you on. You're gonna wanna fuck the bad CU. That's how Ben would fuck. That was really good. Exactly what he said. That was really good. Okay. That was really good. But that's my Achilles heel is all my impressions

are friends of mine and so if you don't know my friend David, why would you care about my impression? It was very good and I like that and he'll he'll love it. Should we eat a little bit? I would love to eat a little bit. Can I help you carry stuff? Come on then I mean that jet lag state where my body... You don't know what time it is. Yeah, when I eat, I'm going to be delighted, but my body thinks it's like the middle of the night. So I'm, you know... Thanks, Mum.

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But it's fun to find out what things can substitute, right? I just saw a bonus in the fridge, just seeing the shop- Bought, published. There is more food than I could possibly eat on the table, I'm not concerned. This tastes like American Thanksgiving, I'm very happy about this. Oh good, well yeah, let's talk about American Thanksgiving,

it's coming up for you. It is, yeah. What's gonna be on the table for you, and where are you gonna have it? I've learned from my mom how to make a great mashed potato. Sweet? No like a regular mashed potato. We make a great vegan pumpkin pie, a great vegan mushroom gravy, it's really good, a yam dish, it's great. I love Thanksgiving. Is your girlfriend vegetarian too? Omnivorous. Okay fine. Your girlfriend, she's been in two of the videos right? Yes. And she's on the cover?

She is on the cover yeah. Now and obviously. It's a little much of me, you know what I mean? No but and she's gorgeous and you're very much in love. But this album is not about it's obviously not about her because because it's mostly sad Like you're very happy and you feel like you you know, yeah the one Yeah, so so she's there to stay So how did she feel playing the kind of role of this problematic- Yeah, I probably had her on the cover and in the music videos to make up for the fact

that she's not, that's not really who the album's about. The album is not really about a love interest of mine. It's sort of about like past experiences I've been through and you know, I try to, I don't know, what's your relationship, you've written so many songs I love, what's your relationship with sort of present day in your songs?

I loved actually hearing you speak about this, that your mum used to teach you to write a story. Yeah. Songwriting when you and Billy were younger and you'd sing and write about a story. Yes. And I think I've heard you talking about how you kind of play a role in some of your-

Yeah, absolutely. That's the way that it was freeing when I realized that it didn't all have to be autobiographical. Yeah, you've got a family you love and a mom you love and what are you supposed to do? Write about that all the time only? That's not that interesting. Yeah, and actually, as soon as I kind of lent into the more fantasy world,

it was far more freeing, it was more fun, and people don't give a, they didn't wanna fucking hear about me being up all night with my kids, you know what I mean? Right. Who wants to fucking hear about that? Right. Do you want some bread, darling?

I'm feeling so good with my mushrooms and my beets. Mum, this is really delicious. This mushroom thing is really good There's umami in there. It's very umami. It's very Oh, that's the umami then nutritional use is so good I don't mind the soggy but Do you know about soggy bottoms? Yeah, do you watch bake off? Oh, yeah, does everybody it's kind of like everybody does but Yeah, but again, I don't know if everybody does, but. You know that's on Netflix.

Yeah, but again my mom's an avid cook and maybe an even more accomplished baker, so I grew up watching a lot of Bake Off. What was your birthday cake that you would request? Okay, my birthday cake that I would request was an orange cake, like a cake with citrus and orange zest and then little layers of dark chocolate like crunchy dark chocolate, you know, crispy dark chocolate.

Oh my god, it sounds amazing like a chocolate orange cake. But how do you make that vegan? You know, this is like a, I haven't baked as much vegan as my mom has but... You use oil? Yeah. Yeah. But man, it's shocking. I swear on my life if you had the cakes that my mom makes, you would have, like I mean it, no idea that they're vegan.

You'd really not be able to tell. It's very impressive. I cook vegan all the time. I love eating vegan. How long are you in New York for? I've been in New York for a while. I mean, two weeks. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Are there any spots that you're definitely gonna go and eat when you get there? I'm gonna go to a place called Gem Wine. I love Gem Wine. There's this chef named, I think, Flynn McGeary, who's sort of a child prodigy chef. He started cooking at 11 Madison Park and he was 14.

Right, wow. Yeah, yeah. And I got to know him through Daniel, the chef at 11 Madison. Okay. And he's got this amazing restaurant called Gem Wine that I really think is so delicious. What area is it in? East Village.

It's so good and the vibe is great, but the food is amazing. It's one of those places, much like here today where they just cook for you. They just bring stuff out, which I love. Because they also portion it right. If you go to a restaurant, like I had this at Dajun yesterday where I ordered so much food, but I ordered too much. And then you sit there and you feel either like

you're gonna die from overeating, or you feel like you're wasting food. So I love a place where they just bring you stuff, you know? So, last supper. Before I die. We've got, before you're going away to a desert island, because we did used to do last supper before you died, but then it-

Two more of it? Well, we used to say death row and it got people a bit upset, so we changed it to last supper. You're not dying. You're going to a desert island, you're not gonna have this food for a good few years. Starter, main, dessert, drink of choice.

Okay. I'm an orange wine guy, I love an orange wine. A little natty wine are you? A little natty wine, skin contact. I will say if we're going non-alcoholic, which I'm happy to, Orangina, the French seltzer beverage, that's my beverage of choice.

But otherwise it would be an orange wine. I love an orange wine. Where do you get your wine from in LA? There's a place called Wine and Egg in the I went past that! At Water Village. I was in At Water the other day and I saw it and I said, what a funny place Wine and Egg. I know, instead of Wine and Cheese, right?

Sounds kind of like my kind of spot. It was really good. Yeah. And, okay, so let's see, appetizer. I'm a big fan of like a farro salad. Mm-hmm. What is farro salad? Farro's like a grain.

Farro's like a grain, it's fan of like a farro salad. What is farro? Farro is like a grain. As farro is like a grain, it's kind of like a, it's like if, it's like if quinoa and rice had a baby that was better. And so you have this salad that's whatever, you know, a lettuce like this, and then this farro that adds this kind of crunch to it. Feels very filling, I love that. Where have you had a delicious farro?

There's a really easy farro salad at a place called Farfala in Los Angeles, which I love. And so that might be my app. There's also a restaurant in LA called All Time that I eat at all the time. And they've got a great salad, not a farro salad. I went there the other day and I didn't think I was going to do this, but you've done it with Hippo, so I'm going to do it with All Time. I've been there many a time

They suggested I ate the wagyu beef burrito. It was a special I went there with a meal I do so we went there. I Was very excited You went for lunch or something, right? No we went for breakfast late, late breakfast No, but like you must try it because I know that burrito is wicked their burrito is good good. So I was like, well the wagyu, let's fucking go. Fancy. When I tell you, the pishiest portion of wagyu, I mean I know what this sounds like, it's a first world problem and I know, I understand. It's just a tiny, tiny amount of wagyu. I mean not even. You gave me a fucking potato wrap all time. Anyway, so I think, what's all times? I think their breakfast is fine.

I love their dinner. To me, the dinner is the reason to go there. Okay, so what's your order there? Yeah, so they have an unbelievable Japanese sweet potato. They have an unbelievable gnocchi, like a tomato basil gnocchi that's so good. Those would be on the appetizer or those would be on the main list. There's also, let's see, okay there's a place in LA called Girl and the Goat that I love. It's not from LA, I think it's from Chicago.

Stephanie, amazing. But they have this dish that, okay so they're not a vegetarian place, but they have this pulled pork dish. They serve this pulled pork with this this pita bread and this wrap and all these dips and these hummuses. And they do a vegetarian version where it's like a mushroom, like a pull apart. Probably like an oyster mushroom or something. Oh my God.

That might be my main. And then for dessert, I'm gonna go all time. All time has a cake called Paul's Chocolate Cake that I could eat every day. Who's Paul? Paul is one, I think probably Paul is either their CDC or their sous chef or something, but Paul does a cake that is unbelievable. So that would be my dessert of choice there.

Can I talk about another food grape I have in LA? My friends are so sick of hearing me talk about it, but you are fresh victims because you haven't heard. Can't wait. Can't wait. Let't heard. Okay I live on the east side there's a place in Silver Lake called Oh Bon Mee that is makes the best bon mes and I'm a big bon mee fan. What are these? It's a Vietnamese sandwich in my case I get mine with tofu but you can get yours with pork or with chicken it's like a French bon mee. B-A-N-H-M-I. Bon-me.

Bon-me, I've never heard of it. You could get one in London. Yeah, they're low. They're so good. Delicious. Okay, here's my beef with this place. First of all, it's one of those places, and it must be challenging,

where their hours that the internet says and that they are open are completely different. So you look it up and it's like open, and you go and it's not open. Oh, annoying. It's either not open that day or it's not out. So very unreliable. On the wall of their actual establishment it says 11 to 3. Monday through Friday. Not open on the weekend.

Whatever. Not my restaurant. The amount of times I've gone between 2pm and 3pm and they're closed. Which again, it says they're open on the wall of times I've gone between 2 p.m. and 3 p.m. and they're closed, which again, this says they're open on the wall of their own restaurant. This is the challenge. Do they show down? No, no, no, no. And here's where it like amuses me. So I go not that long ago at 2.30

and they're very much like closed, pulling the gate shut on the thing. And I show up and I go, oh, you guys the guy he goes yeah and he looks at me he goes 3 p.m. and I go hey it's not 3 it's like 2 30 and he's like thank you bye and then yeah I know and it makes me sound you know a little a little douchey but no but I go back and I and I go this time at like 1.45 and they're open because it's 1.45 and I go on my order and I sit down and I sit down and I'm eating my sandwich and they start to like

close the whole restaurant around me and I'm there at like 2.10 and it's like, that's so funny to me because how many times have you been at a restaurant and then you realize you've been there with your friend for too long and it's been hours and they're just still letting you hang out. It's very sweet of them and I love that I'm in there eating. I've just ordered, I'm waiting on my sandwich

and they're like, you know, getting all the stuff. I'm sorry, we have to go. Yes, exactly. Anyway, so that's their, you know, that you choose to love it and their food is- It must be worth it. It's a Vietnamese place. Do you need a tea or a coffee? I'm great thanks for asking.

He's gonna have to have one on my birthday. Baklava? Why? You have baklava? Yeah because I didn't make it but because I thought he was vegan I got vegany kind of dessert. Vegany? Vegany kind of dessert? It really stresses her out.

Look at all this. Have you eaten quince before? No, what's quince? Yeah, there you go. This is what a quince looks like. It's a bit like a pear, and when you poach them they go quite red. Cool.

And so I got you quince and- They're gorgeous, they're kind of, have you ever had a manchego cheese in like, Membrio, like the quince jelly? Yeah, that sounds right. That's quince. Yeah, how's that? There's a real chaos to this podcast that I quite enjoy.

Did you not get warned? This is quite civil for us, actually. If we'd had the old Natty Y now, anything could have happened. I like it. Right, so what have you got? Coconut. This is coconut yogurt because I so what have you got? Coconut. This is coconut yogurt because I thought

you didn't have anything else. Again, I can't stress enough how much I'm pro vegan stuff. I support the agenda. Can I ask, do you always get on well with your sister? Do you fight? Yeah, but, you know, I look at you guys getting on well. Yeah, working together's tough. Sure.

Yeah. I would actually say that working together in some ways is like, we just fight because we're like different people. But we kind of work together well. I don't know if that makes sense to you guys. No? I don't know. I don't know if we work well together, but I love you.

I think the whole point of the podcast is we do. Yeah, exactly. What you think of Clint? I thought it was really good. I think it's got a funny aftertaste today. No, I love him. Okay, good. That's crunchy. I don't know.

And I like this coconut yogurt. Do you? Yeah. Do you want to take it with you? To fly to New York? Very custom. Yeah, I think they would not even let me. You're taking the hugest open coconut yogurt

You want to bring this on the flight? I'd be like, yes The driving the drug dog would lose its mind Need that yogurt Yeah Drugs what? I heard that the dogs aren't smelling for drugs, they're smelling for fear. I don't know.

What person told you that? I don't know, it's not that I've been discussing how to get drugs across the border. Can I tell you why I don't think that's true? Because I think a lot of people are afraid of flying. I think they would just be pulling over people left and right. Yeah. Yeah. I have to say that I please let my children get on and

not that they necessarily are gonna become the kind of greatest writing duo but watching the documentary and just like you have to kind of steer the ship a lot in the edit. When Billy was so young yeah. Bless her like she was what 16? Oh in the dark yeah 15, 16, 17. Bless her, like she was what, 16? Younger? Oh, in the dock, yeah, 15, 16, 17. And I do, I have so much respect with how you spoke to each other. Because she's a teenager and you're what?

How old are you, like? I mean, I was 19, 20 years. Yeah, you're a teenager too. And the way you speak to each other. Are you older than Billy? I am, yeah, I'm four years older. Have you got other brothers and sisters? Just the two of us.

Just the two. I think boys and one boy and one girl gets on better than when there's just girls. Yeah, I bet it's case by case. I definitely think that there is a sort of a differentiation of that there's a gender divide where you're not sort of comparing yourself to your brother the same way. The thing that I've noticed with Jesse's children, two boys, they fight, play fight, or it drives me nuts. It's so exhausting. And you don't-

Pretending to hit each other, actually hitting each other, wrestling. Oh, rolling around the floor. Actually hitting each other, like, rolling around the floor. Rolling down the floor. But like, also loving it, it's just, and then my daughter, the eldest, just looking at them being like,

oh my god, you're just so awful. Like stop. She's very kind to them. She's very kind. It's like idiotic boys just like touching and hitting each other. It's like they all love it. I'm sure you didn't have to do that with your sister.

So you like. We'd scrap. We'd scrap for sure. Mike, the cutest sibling behavior I've observed in the last couple of years, again, I haven't met your kids, I'm sure they're so cute, was I know Marcus Mumford a little bit, and I spent some time with his son Wilfred and Evie. This is now three or something years ago. We're walking through Prospect Park in New York, pouring rain as New York sometimes does, and I'm with Evie, his daughter, and Wilfred is up with Claudia, probably something like that. And I was wearing a hat, it was pouring rain,

and I gave my hat to Evie. And without a moment's hesitation, Evie took the hat and went and gave it to Wilfred. Oh! To like cover his face. And I was just like, that's very beautiful. Oh, that's so sweet! It was really just like one of the cutest. That is so sweet.

And she was like, he hates to get his hair wet. And I was like, oh, okay. We were in this rainstorm and the ulterior motive made me laugh so hard. We're in the rainstorm and Evie goes, daddy, I think Pinkberry might be the most ideal place to take shelter. And I was like, all right. She's got it right. And I was like, all right, I think like the scheme of not just saying I'd love to go to Pinkberry, but to be like, that's where we can dry and not be in the storm anymore. She's clever, I like this girl.

She's also like six or whatever at the time, she's so young. That is amazing. Your English accent is very good. Yeah, it's amazing. It slips in and out. That one, I'm like a parrot. I heard a phrase and I can repeat it. It's taxi drivers that are doing it for you.

While I'm in England. True, true. Black cab drivers. Would you do any more acting? I'd love to. Yeah, I'd love to. It blew my mind when I found out that you were in Glee. Yeah, I'm sort of closeted about that. Just tell me, were you part of the Glee choir? Yeah.

So did you know Amber? Did you ever meet Amber Riley? Had she gone by then? I met Amber. So Amber was among the people who were on the earlier seasons and then leave. Right. But I was on the last four episodes.

So she came back for one or two episodes. So I met her briefly. She was very sweet. She was amazing. But also like, for them, there's this huge significant period of their life with all these people they'd spent years with. And here I am like a person they've never met and I'm standing right next to them in this scene.

And they were all like very nice. But you know how it is when you're around close, close people you and there's one stranger. And so they're like, hi, I'm Amber. Like nice to meet you. But then then back to you know what I mean like it was an odd experience for me because I was like watching these people with these nuanced long relationships you know what I mean yeah of course challenging you you can do anything you put your mind to Phineas it seems so amazing what would be your what would be your next role? If I could do anything?

I'd love to do some theatre. I love theatre. I think it'd be great. Where, in LA or New York? Not LA, no, New York. London, short name. There's a theatre in LA, a little bit. There is some theatre.

I mean, I would do a work of a playwright I like anywhere. So like, there's a playwright right now called Brandon Jacob Jenkins that is amazing, that had a play It might still be running called appropriate Sarah Paulson on Broadway. That's amazing And a play called the comeuppance that I saw that I was really blown away by so I I just do I'd auditioned for whatever Like certainly got tickets for any place in New York. I have actually I'm gonna play called stereophonic Which is a musical that is supposed to be amazing. It's kind of about the making of a album

in like Laurel Canyon. It's sort of like a Fleetwood Mac. You should go see, well, it's Jake's one starting next week. Tammy Faye. Tammy Faye. What about Tammy Faye? There's a Tammy Faye play. Yes, Elton John.

They made a Tammy Faye play. Yes, Elton John and Jake Shears did it. It's a musical. Oh my God. It's a musical. And it did amazingly. In the West End. In the West End. It was in Almeda. Well, it didn't. It was in Almed's a musical. Good for them. It did amazingly. In the West End. In the West End. It was in Almeda.

It was in Almeda, yeah. Which is a great, great theatre. Tiny theatre. Cool. But if it's on, you should go see it. Okay, cool. It's just opening now. So you like musicals?

I am like a, I'm such a fan of musicals that I'm very critical of them because I love them so much that when they're not very good, I'm frustrated. Okay, what's your favourite musical? Of all time, maybe Sweeney Todd. I love Sweeney Todd. Love some Phantom of the Opera, like classic musicals.

Next time you're in London, give me a date and we'll go to the theatre. I would love to do that. Well look, you better get to the airport and get that coconut yoghurt through, see how you get. Good luck with it. But before we let you go, can you give us a nostalgic taste, happy or sad?

Okay. Great one. Nostalgic taste, happy or sad. I don't know if your kids are like this. As a child I had just so much anxiety and weird existential dread. For no reason I was living a very nice life. But I did spend a lot of my time with separation anxiety and just sort of nervous about stuff. So I have a lot of memories of like, you know as a kid you have a treat, you go to an ice cream parlor

or something like that, and eating my ice cream and just feeling like worried about the state of the world. Just a little bit goofy. Oh god, I'm sorry. There's a place in LA called the Spaghetti Factory that's pretty nostalgic place for me they have Spamoni ice cream. What's Spamoni? It's like an Italian alt to a Neapolitan it's a pistachio and cherry and chocolate. So Spamoni ice cream is a pretty nostalgic. And would you be eating your ice cream just worrying about the... Oh mate! I'd be like eating your ice cream and just worrying about the, oh mate.

I'd be like eating my ice cream on my sister's birthday. Yeah, on my sister's birthday thinking about how we're all gonna die one day or something like that. Are you still a worrier? Much less so. I got it all out as a child. My daughter's going through that at the moment. She thinks that she's going to,

someone's gonna steal us through the window. Dude, I used to think my parents were imposters. Oh, not you were an imposter. Did you think you were adopted? No, but I would think- Lots of people go through that. Yes, but it was a parallel, it was probably from reading like Coraline or something. Like I'd talk to my mom- This is the thing

that's fucked her up. I'd talk to my mom and I'd be like, what's my favorite color? Like I'd be like quizzing them on stuff. That's so fascinating. So goofy. What food or implement could you not do without? What could I not do without?

I mean, like, Jesse, yours would be Marmite or something. Mine would be Marmite, yeah. Mm. What could I not do without? What's a staple for me? I mean, probably, this is a California thing, but avocado. Yeah. Avocado's great.

Do you want me to take a couple of hand-mix? Again, I'll take a, I'll take guacamole that'll be brown by the time I land in New York. Yeah, avocado is the thing I probably eat every day. Yeah. I mean they're so good in LA too. They are bloody good. Yeah. Have you got an avocado tree? I do.

Are you doing your own kind of growing? I don't have a garden like Benny does but I have some trees. Finneas did you grow up in LA? I did. So are you friends with people all the people that like the Heim girls did you know them growing up? It's quite vast. I mean I feel like I now I know the High End girls because we're in music, but I didn't know them. But I did, you know who I knew growing up was I would play in battles of the bands with Phoebe Bridgers. Really? Who won, Phineas?

Are you kidding? Phoebe won. Yeah, so I knew Phoebe through high school. Trying to think of who else I knew growing up, but yeah, it's a funny, it's a small pool of people that grew up in LA. And what, yeah it is. And were your parents working in LA? They were trying. I mean they were actors that were mainly out of work. So they, my

mom taught classes and baked cakes for people and my dad was a carpenter and a construction worker mainly. Yeah. When are you playing in London again? Or Europe? I'm playing the Apollo on... Hammersmith? Amazing! On April 17th, we start in Dublin, I think on like the 14th and then we play the eventum on the 17th. Well I just love the album. That's so kind of you. Thank you. Good luck with the promo. Thank you. Thanks for letting me do this. This was so much fun. It's such a pleasure.

We really like, I appreciate that you fitted this in before going to the airport and it's really nice to chat to you, to hear your stories. Such a treat to be here. Thank you for cooking for me. It was such good food. Thank you. Thanks for the baklava.

Delicious. Yeah, good luck on that flight. Let's go to the West End next time I'm here. I'd love that. Yeah, we'll see what's West End next time I'm here. I'd love that. Yeah, we'll see what's going on. When I'm here for the Apollo show, it sounds like I'll have a day off before and we'll go to the West End.

Let's see what's going on. Hopefully it's not a Monday. No, we'll work it out. It'll be okay. I'm gonna do a whole day date for you. We're gonna eat well and we'll go to a new, I mean, we could do matinee. Awesome.

Well mum, you could have done eggs, however, your mushroom tart was really delicious. Yeah. How do you feel? I feel like I would have done something else. And I certainly feel like whoever wrote that recipe was on the stingy side. What, for the mushrooms? Yeah, it said three cups of sliced mushrooms. There were six or eight cups in there,

and it still wasn't full. Maybe it was a smaller dish? I think it was a flatter dish. But even then, I like a. Maybe it was a smaller dish? I think it was a flatter dish but even then I like a full. You like a full dish? Yeah and I think that I think I'd double the recipe next time. Would you do the recipe again? No. Okay. But I'm glad I can make cashew cream now. Phineas I think has to be up there top two gents of table manners. Very complimentary. Got up, helped clear the table, brought up very well. Well done Maggie and Patrick. Thank you so much to Phineas, his album

for Crying Out Loud is out now and he'll be on tour in Europe next year so check it out because he's incredibly gifted and just a nice guy and very talented. And you've just brought out the most delicious meringues I wish we'd given to him. Sorry. Chocolate meringues, ala Answeeney. Yeah, I love the quince. I'm not sure about the quince today. Yeah, I think you're wrong.

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