Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S2 Ep 5: George Ezra
Episode Date: March 14, 2018Oh George Ezra. What can I say? The night had so much potential... Mum was looking forward to a Budapest duet and instead it ended in a catastrophe that my pelvic floor definitely wasn’t strong enou...gh for and our first emergency Deliveroo order. We’re so sorry George. Produced by Alice Williams for Cup and Nuzzle Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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                                         Welcome to Table Manners, I'm Jessie Ware and this is my mum Linny.
                                         
                                         Hi.
                                         
                                         So mum, you have an issue with the podcast at the moment.
                                         
                                         We've got an E next to our podcast, meaning explicit.
                                         
                                         I think there's too much swearing, Jess, we've got to get rid of the swearing.
                                         
                                         I think it puts older listeners off.
                                         
                                         The E for me feels like when you used to get a rap album.
                                         
                                         No, not erotic.
                                         
    
                                         When you used to get rap albums and no not erotic when you used to get
                                         
                                         rap albums and you'd have like parental advice i mean that's all i've ever dreamed of but now
                                         
                                         i'm slightly embarrassed podcast about food then no i know and family okay well i have been working
                                         
                                         on myself mum and i know and i did do really well with a mole yes i didn't swear no you didn't and actually with ed sheeran he swore more than you
                                         
                                         thank you and you didn't swear when you performed war child so they're young i'm learning your new
                                         
                                         year new me yeah no more swearing and i'm gonna try to yeah because you actually did swear more than me in the last podcast so we have a guy on our podcast today
                                         
                                         who is he gave me a stat the other day it was he was the third biggest selling
                                         
                                         album of the year when ed sheeran and sam smith released their records um sam smith was releasing
                                         
    
                                         his debut ed was on his second And he was the third biggest selling.
                                         
                                         And his name is George Ezra.
                                         
                                         George Ezra has a song called Budapest that everyone knows because it's played everywhere.
                                         
                                         I'm going to ask him to sing it tonight.
                                         
                                         Just a few little lines.
                                         
                                         Oh my God, don't. His voice is so deep.
                                         
                                         And his spoken voice is not as deep as his.
                                         
                                         I wonder how he does it.
                                         
    
                                         We shall ask him.
                                         
                                         I'm going to ask him. I'm going to ask him.
                                         
                                         I'm going to ask him just a couple of choruses.
                                         
                                         Now, we also, I'm not going to lie,
                                         
                                         it's not with such pleasure that we've got George on the podcast tonight.
                                         
                                         It is a pleasure.
                                         
                                         Really, Mum?
                                         
                                         He's beating us in the podcast charts.
                                         
    
                                         He scooped us, darling.
                                         
                                         He scooped us.
                                         
                                         He knew.
                                         
                                         He knew.
                                         
                                         He knew.
                                         
                                         He scooped us with Ed.
                                         
                                         He scooped us with Ed Sheeran and he got the top spot.
                                         
                                         And we did not.
                                         
    
                                         We might still.
                                         
                                         Maybe, but...
                                         
                                         And because of that reason, I'm going to give him a subpar meal.
                                         
                                         No, darling, you can't do that.
                                         
                                         No, to be fair, it may be subpar because I've put it in a bit too late.
                                         
                                         Right, but you can't serve anything subpar.
                                         
                                         What have you done for this meal today?
                                         
                                         Nothing.
                                         
    
                                         I bought the whisk.
                                         
                                         Did you?
                                         
                                         I brought my electric whisk.
                                         
                                         Thank you.
                                         
                                         And a vest.
                                         
                                         A vest?
                                         
                                         And one of your socks.
                                         
                                         You left them behind at my house.
                                         
    
                                         It is miserable at the moment in London,
                                         
                                         and I've decided to cook something that I've never cooked before, which is really bloody stupid.
                                         
                                         Beef short ribs. Thank you, Ginger Pig, for being so kind and supplying us the most enormous short ribs that, I mean, we're going to look kind of like cavemen, Mum.
                                         
                                         No, darling, it comes off the bone once you've cooked it it shrinks off the bone
                                         
                                         oh so you don't serve it with the bone some people do but some people take the bone out i serve it
                                         
                                         with the bone but um some people take the bones this bone is literally like a cricket bat so i
                                         
                                         just okay so we're gonna have to divide them up yeah and i've put it on too late so i'm hoping
                                         
                                         it's still gonna be juicy and delicious and fall off the bone.
                                         
    
                                         Well, I've got my veneer, my new veneer.
                                         
                                         I don't want any tough meat.
                                         
                                         Because my veneers will be with meat.
                                         
                                         We'll take it off the bone.
                                         
                                         Oh, mum.
                                         
                                         We're doing it with a root veg mash.
                                         
                                         Fab.
                                         
                                         I'm starving.
                                         
    
                                         I've not had lunch.
                                         
                                         10% broccoli.
                                         
                                         And then I have kind of rustled up a version of an eaten mess,
                                         
                                         which is totally off the cuff.
                                         
                                         It's not even a mess yet because we don't have the meringue.
                                         
                                         So Sam's going to have to go out to Sainsbury's now and get some.
                                         
                                         Anyway, it's going to be baked nectarines and apricots with stem ginger and a bit of musket wine because we had some leftover from the last podcast.
                                         
                                         So can't we just have that with cream?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, we could.
                                         
                                         And ice cream.
                                         
                                         You're letting things slip, Jess.
                                         
                                         If it were my house, I'd be on a pear tartan by now.
                                         
                                         Coming up on Table Manners this evening, have george ezra excited are you though yeah
                                         
                                         but i'm really annoyed oh i'm looking fine
                                         
                                         it's not you. It's not. What? How's it go?
                                         
                                         How's it go?
                                         
    
                                         I'm imagining you going out of the house looking in the mirror and going,
                                         
                                         I'm looking fine.
                                         
                                         No, it's not.
                                         
                                         That can almost be like a bird sight.
                                         
                                         What is it?
                                         
                                         I lose it all.
                                         
                                         Oh, I lose it all. Oh, I lose it all.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
    
                                         And it's over you.
                                         
                                         Ooh.
                                         
                                         Ooh, it's over you.
                                         
                                         We'll get him to sing a few chords.
                                         
                                         Maybe he'll duet, Mum.
                                         
                                         My God, yes.
                                         
                                         Thanks, babe.
                                         
                                         Just, George Ezra has walked in with a pinot noir wow thank you very much babe
                                         
    
                                         um how's your podcast doing i saw it was number one well done muzzletop so happy for you
                                         
                                         yeah i mean i think the thing is i had nothing to gauge it on like with records i kind of know
                                         
                                         what certain things mean i kind of know if you do this this might happen but with this thing it was kind of a labor of love and I wasn't that fussed not fussed but kind of I
                                         
                                         didn't know whether to expect two listeners or two thousand listeners I
                                         
                                         didn't know how many listeners did you get? How many listeners do you think you've got? I think it's been played 32,000 times. Sugar.
                                         
                                         How many times have we been listened to, Jess?
                                         
                                         Not as many times.
                                         
                                         That is a huge debut.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         A lot of them are me. You're quite good.
                                         
                                         You're quite good
                                         
                                         with debuts, aren't you? What's that
                                         
                                         stat? That's a good segue.
                                         
                                         Thank you so much.
                                         
                                         Third biggest selling record of all time of all time no no of the year i think it was yeah of the year have you got any debut stats
                                         
                                         i don't people around me do i think it it was the third biggest selling record of 2014, I think. Your debut album.
                                         
    
                                         Mm-hmm.
                                         
                                         And we had a little chat about this,
                                         
                                         but it was kind of... The other two that beat you were...
                                         
                                         Ed Sheeran and Sam Smith.
                                         
                                         Not bad competition.
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
                                         Bit annoying for them to come out in the same year, though, for you,
                                         
                                         because you could have been number one.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, well...
                                         
                                         Do you ever think about that?
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
                                         Just, he has the most fabulous voice.
                                         
                                         Yeah, no, I know. Just the most fabulous voice. Yeah, no, I know.
                                         
                                         Just the most fabulous voice.
                                         
                                         It's wonderful.
                                         
                                         It really is.
                                         
    
                                         How, does anyone sing in your family?
                                         
                                         Almost everyone, bar me as a kid.
                                         
                                         So, like, my dad still plays in a kind of pub band.
                                         
                                         I see.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Do they play your songs?
                                         
                                         He has done once, and I had to have a stern word were you no i wasn't there i caught wind no i think they do do a few renditions of mine in
                                         
                                         in there i think he's just very proud i think they do kind of van morrison songs and old blue songs
                                         
    
                                         and yeah he loves it so how were you brought up what songs were you brought up on van morrison
                                         
                                         and people like that the one you know what? The one
                                         
                                         record that stands out that we listen to a lot
                                         
                                         car journey kind of vibes was
                                         
                                         Graceland. The Paul Simon
                                         
                                         record. Oh yeah that's a good
                                         
                                         one. Jesse listened to Grease.
                                         
                                         We did that as well.
                                         
    
                                         Grease and Whitney Houston that was our
                                         
                                         But I think as
                                         
                                         a kid as well I remember one of my
                                         
                                         earliest musical memories
                                         
                                         was I thought he was singing Diamonds
                                         
                                         on her sofas and shoes
                                         
                                         and for years
                                         
                                         for years and years that's what I thought it was
                                         
    
                                         Diamonds on the Sofas and Shoes
                                         
                                         do you know that song?
                                         
                                         did you know that Paul Simon wrote Baby Driver?
                                         
                                         no
                                         
                                         she calls me the baby driver
                                         
                                         I don't know
                                         
                                         I don't actually know that song Baby Driver? She calls me the Baby Driver. I don't know. It's the soundtrack for Baby Driver, the new film out.
                                         
                                         No, Baby, oh baby.
                                         
    
                                         No, it isn't.
                                         
                                         That's the song on it.
                                         
                                         No, it isn't.
                                         
                                         It's Baby Driver.
                                         
                                         I like that film.
                                         
                                         They call him the Baby Driver.
                                         
                                         Did you see it?
                                         
                                         I didn't see it.
                                         
    
                                         I'm not very good at keeping up with films.
                                         
                                         No, we were on a plane.
                                         
                                         It's one of those you catch on a plane.
                                         
                                         Yeah, when you're doing some promo in the States.
                                         
                                         But it was brilliant.
                                         
                                         And the soundtrack was super.
                                         
                                         Do you find, though, when you're on a plane,
                                         
                                         I don't want to blacken any film's names,
                                         
    
                                         but I enjoy films no matter how bad they are
                                         
                                         when I'm in the air.
                                         
                                         My standards go out the window.
                                         
                                         Me too.
                                         
                                         I love everything.
                                         
                                         Mum, I've never forgotten being on a long haul with Mum.
                                         
                                         I don't know where we were going,
                                         
                                         but Meet the Fockers was on the things that I got woken up by my mum howling but she had
                                         
    
                                         her headphones on and everyone was sleeping at this point. They were doing the dog on the loo.
                                         
                                         It was the cat wasn't it? The cat on the loo but I tell you the one that I regret
                                         
                                         watching on a plane was notebook the, the Notebook. Oh yeah. Because I sobbed
                                         
                                         that the lady next to me had to go and get tissues. Do you find you cry more on planes?
                                         
                                         It's the altitude and the red wine. Do you think that's what it is? Honestly, I remember once I was
                                         
                                         on an internal flight in America and my manager turned to me to say something and I was like,
                                         
                                         oh please don't ask me a question I was
                                         
                                         watching this program where this American dude builds tree houses for people and this family
                                         
    
                                         had fostered something like 10 or 15 kids it was like they had this massive I was bawling my eyes
                                         
                                         out yeah I was so it's quite it's quite a nice like sob isn't it because like you can quite
                                         
                                         people can't really hear you because of the like,
                                         
                                         the hum of the aeroplane.
                                         
                                         So you can really go.
                                         
                                         Really go for it.
                                         
                                         Like, you'd be like.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         And yeah, it's uncontrollable.
                                         
                                         I had it as well,
                                         
                                         where I put up on.
                                         
                                         Oh, well that's going to make fun.
                                         
                                         They came to take food orders
                                         
                                         and I was like,
                                         
                                         please don't ask me,
                                         
                                         please don't ask me,
                                         
    
                                         just miss me.
                                         
                                         Sure enough, like,
                                         
                                         can I get you something, Teresa?
                                         
                                         Because that intro.
                                         
                                         Because this is a food podcast,
                                         
                                         shall we talk a little bit about food?
                                         
                                         Yeah, can we?
                                         
                                         Are you a foodie?
                                         
    
                                         No, I'm not a foodie.
                                         
                                         um no i'm not not a foodie um i love cooking especially when it's for myself i kind of or especially like by myself would you are you elaborating um i like to i follow
                                         
                                         recipes and i always go off piste a little bit but not Oh, to make it your own. But not in a good way.
                                         
                                         No, I'll just be like, well, if they say this, why not this?
                                         
                                         And does it work out?
                                         
                                         Yeah, I mean, no one else has to eat it, so it's fine.
                                         
                                         So, okay, can you give me an example of one of your off-piste recipes?
                                         
                                         Yeah, I'm trying to think.
                                         
    
                                         Like, something that I love cooking is kind of new potatoes
                                         
                                         and you crush them all up and put them in the oven
                                         
                                         and then there's like cherry tomatoes
                                         
                                         and then you add a little bit of salmon on top.
                                         
                                         Oh, we need a new fish dish, man.
                                         
                                         Yeah, we do.
                                         
                                         We'll call it the George Ezra salmon.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it's really simple.
                                         
    
                                         And it's, yeah, it's things like that.
                                         
                                         Where would I mix that up?
                                         
                                         I think I probably wouldn't be completely hell-bent on it having to
                                         
                                         be salmon and maybe you could add some green beans why not or some olives i don't know i do find it
                                         
                                         really therapeutic i don't know if i'm looking too far into it but i think it's quite creative
                                         
                                         what's your favorite sort of food um i'm not fussy
                                         
                                         as a kid on your birthday mum would always let you pick what you had for dinner I'm not fussy.
                                         
                                         As a kid, on your birthday,
                                         
    
                                         mum would always let you pick what you had for dinner.
                                         
                                         And I have no idea why,
                                         
                                         but I picked macaroni cheese every year.
                                         
                                         And I don't even think I like macaroni cheese that much.
                                         
                                         But I think I asked for it once and I thought people would be disappointed,
                                         
                                         like if I changed my tune.
                                         
                                         I think you're so accommodating.
                                         
                                         I think that was my thinking behind it.
                                         
    
                                         Have you been to Burner's Tavern?
                                         
                                         Where's that?
                                         
                                         Oh, wow.
                                         
                                         If you want good mac and cheese.
                                         
                                         If you want a macaroni cheese, it will...
                                         
                                         It's with truffle shavings and it's got like ox cheek in it.
                                         
                                         It's the best macaroni cheese ever.
                                         
                                         Where is this?
                                         
    
                                         It's on Burner's Road.
                                         
                                         How long does it take us to get there?
                                         
                                         Burner Street.
                                         
                                         It's just up Oxford Street.
                                         
                                         You know the Addition Hotel? Do you know? It's just up Oxford Street. And it's the, you know,
                                         
                                         the Addition Hotel.
                                         
                                         Do you know?
                                         
                                         Okay,
                                         
    
                                         the Addition Hotel
                                         
                                         is a cool hotel
                                         
                                         and Burner's Tavern
                                         
                                         is kind of part of it.
                                         
                                         And it's absolutely
                                         
                                         for mac and cheese
                                         
                                         that I think
                                         
                                         does the best.
                                         
    
                                         It serves mac and cheese
                                         
                                         as an accompaniment
                                         
                                         to everything really,
                                         
                                         I think.
                                         
                                         That's good.
                                         
                                         He doesn't actually like
                                         
                                         mac and cheese that much.
                                         
                                         Well,
                                         
    
                                         do you know what?
                                         
                                         He would like it though.
                                         
                                         I moved to Bristol and there was this place called Start the Bus.
                                         
                                         And they did this.
                                         
                                         I know that place.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I think it's changed its name.
                                         
                                         It's like a gig place, isn't it?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         It's kind of like a student-y gig place.
                                         
                                         Why were you in Bristol?
                                         
                                         I moved there to go to university.
                                         
                                         I ended up just doing one year.
                                         
                                         But I stayed for three.
                                         
                                         But my son was there.
                                         
                                         What were you studying?
                                         
    
                                         I went to a place called BIM.
                                         
                                         Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a place called bim oh yeah yeah yeah there's a
                                         
                                         place called bim and i was studying songwriting and i met my manager near the end of the first
                                         
                                         year and kind of so i left go like i stopped going to bim but i carried on yeah i carried
                                         
                                         on living in three years so my first year i lived across the road from a music shop called PMT and it was a
                                         
                                         in a block of student flats and then I moved on to Park Street I used to live above a shop
                                         
                                         called Audio T when did you start singing then well I started um did you ever go to school
                                         
                                         or was it nursery you decided to be a pop star?
                                         
    
                                         No, no, no I went
                                         
                                         I don't know when I would have started
                                         
                                         Like we did
                                         
                                         Because your dad plays in a band
                                         
                                         Yeah, but he didn't when we were kids
                                         
                                         There was guitars around the house
                                         
                                         But he didn't
                                         
                                         Did you have musical evenings?
                                         
    
                                         No, not as a family
                                         
                                         When everybody played
                                         
                                         No
                                         
                                         I've always wanted to
                                         
                                         I've got an older sister and a younger brother and they
                                         
                                         do their musical yes so my little brothers just signed a record deal that's so cool yeah how old
                                         
                                         is he very good question 21 I'm gonna say and your older sister is 20 I'm going to say 28, 27, 24. Oh my God, you're so young.
                                         
                                         Baby boy.
                                         
    
                                         And your sister, what does she do?
                                         
                                         She is my, she talks with me everywhere I go.
                                         
                                         Oh yes, you told me that.
                                         
                                         Yeah, she's my kind of on the road manager or PA or, you know.
                                         
                                         I mean, mum, imagine Hannah going on the road with me.
                                         
                                         Would it work?
                                         
                                         I mean, she's here for a week and I'm already ready to kick her out.
                                         
                                         I love her so much.
                                         
    
                                         Well, she opened the door. I think she doesn't listen to this podcast. And she introduced herself as Jessie, so I think she's here for a week and I'm already ready to kick her out. I love her so much. It's a good thing she doesn't
                                         
                                         listen to this podcast. She introduced herself as Jessie
                                         
                                         so I think she's... She didn't say Jessie.
                                         
                                         Yeah, she said, hello, I'm Jessie. Oh no,
                                         
                                         no, no, no, that's not me.
                                         
                                         Jesus, yeah, she hasn't got the job.
                                         
                                         Yeah. I just
                                         
                                         want to know whether your siblings
                                         
    
                                         kept the
                                         
                                         same birthday meal
                                         
                                         like they stayed with it or is that why you did the mac and cheese every
                                         
                                         time no i don't know what they will have gone for i can't remember and they won't have known that i
                                         
                                         that i think as a kid i wanted to have a thing maybe i want like maybe i was like i'm the mac
                                         
                                         and cheese kid like the milk bar kid i don't think that is what was going on i
                                         
                                         think i just every time it came around it was like what do you want for your birthday dinner
                                         
                                         so your parents weren't musical what did they do so they're both teachers
                                         
    
                                         oh yeah musical teachers no no teachers um my mum now teaches reception at primary school
                                         
                                         oh yeah she loves it because of Because she's probably only about 40.
                                         
                                         Mum, we both feel rather old tonight, don't we?
                                         
                                         And my dad, he started out as a PE teacher and then he kind of became the deputy head of a secondary school.
                                         
                                         Of course.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Did you feel like you had to be really good at sport at school?
                                         
                                         No, but I was very aware that I wasn't
                                         
    
                                         Sorry, that's the beeping
                                         
                                         George, do you like football?
                                         
                                         No, not that I dislike it
                                         
                                         I'm just not that fast
                                         
                                         I think I could love football
                                         
                                         I feel like I could
                                         
                                         But everyone I know that loves football
                                         
                                         It takes up all of their brain.
                                         
    
                                         They know, like, every signing for every club,
                                         
                                         for every girl.
                                         
                                         Sam knows a lot.
                                         
                                         Yeah, and I just...
                                         
                                         Because he plays, like, fantasy football.
                                         
                                         I think it would take over my life.
                                         
                                         So what are you...
                                         
                                         Do you have hobbies?
                                         
    
                                         Like, I guess my hobbies are socialising.
                                         
                                         I like seeing my friends,
                                         
                                         and I like seeing people I love.
                                         
                                         Are they still up in Hertfordshire?
                                         
                                         A lot of them are, yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         And I like bizarre things. love walking do you yeah i love it so does sam yeah i do you know what in
                                         
                                         the first record i got a month off may 2015 and i did the cotswold way by myself you kind of i went
                                         
                                         through this company and what they do is you stay above a pub you you can take a suitcase, you set out to do kind of 14
                                         
    
                                         miles that day but they come and pick your suitcase up and drop it off for the next day.
                                         
                                         Yeah. It was brilliant. Sam's doing a walk isn't he? Along Hadrian's Wall. I mean they
                                         
                                         haven't really worked about it. It's supposed to be called the Men's Stroll
                                         
                                         and it's to promote free sanitary towels for women who can't necessarily afford it because it's so expensive
                                         
                                         it came about because jesse's best friend works as a secondary school teacher and this is what
                                         
                                         she discovered so jamie her boyfriend daniel blake the film the ken loach film um showed that and
                                         
                                         i mean they haven't really it's a really great idea and I
                                         
                                         think they're just gonna do it themselves I was like no we can make this
                                         
    
                                         a thing oh yes 32 hours of walking I said baby you can't do that but yeah so
                                         
                                         Sam and I did like A two hour walk
                                         
                                         In Dorset
                                         
                                         And I've been uninvited
                                         
                                         On the men's stride
                                         
                                         Because I
                                         
                                         How many men are going?
                                         
                                         Sam and Jamie mum
                                         
    
                                         Oh so it's just two of them
                                         
                                         I was like
                                         
                                         We can make this a thing
                                         
                                         Why don't they get more
                                         
                                         Bloats to go
                                         
                                         I don't know
                                         
                                         Alex would
                                         
                                         She'll try and make it
                                         
    
                                         A bit like Alex
                                         
                                         I know
                                         
                                         Alex would go
                                         
                                         I know but they
                                         
                                         I think it's like
                                         
                                         They think they're Bear Grylls
                                         
                                         and that they're just going to go and tackle the elements.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I get that.
                                         
    
                                         But what they should do is,
                                         
                                         I remember when you do a charity fun run,
                                         
                                         you pay a tenner to do it
                                         
                                         and then all of that money goes towards...
                                         
                                         Well, yeah, I'm like, make it a thing.
                                         
                                         And stop for the night.
                                         
                                         Do it in two days.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Anyway, to be continued.
                                         
                                         Find some land and stop stop the night and everyone
                                         
                                         camp have fire music and stuff like that play jesse wayne i'll go up and cook
                                         
                                         do you eat before you perform not not near to it because otherwise I burp for the whole thing. Yeah, Jesse does. I did a
                                         
                                         barbecue, I had a barbecue in Texas
                                         
                                         in
                                         
                                         where were we? Austin?
                                         
                                         Yes. Their barbecue
                                         
    
                                         is amazing there. Yeah, I've been there.
                                         
                                         And I decided, because I was like
                                         
                                         I've never been to Austin, I'm going to eat a
                                         
                                         massive beef. Got a Stetson?
                                         
                                         No, it was the worst thing. Get me a cow!
                                         
                                         Yeah, I ate a cow and then burped it up
                                         
                                         all the way through my mid-tempo ballads.
                                         
                                         That'll be a rare B-side one day.
                                         
    
                                         Someone will have recorded it and it'll be opposite.
                                         
                                         So bad.
                                         
                                         Yeah, so you have a burping issue.
                                         
                                         Yeah, but it took me so long to realise
                                         
                                         that food was the cause of the burping gig.
                                         
                                         Oh, hello, Hannah.
                                         
                                         What are you doing?
                                         
                                         I'm quiet.
                                         
    
                                         You don't have to be quiet.
                                         
                                         You can come in. I do have
                                         
                                         to
                                         
                                         admit something.
                                         
                                         Are you sure the podcast is the place for it? Yeah.
                                         
                                         Have you thought this through? Yeah, no, yeah.
                                         
                                         We had a podcast on
                                         
                                         Monday. Who did you have? We had Moel Rajan.
                                         
    
                                         Okay. Who is,
                                         
                                         was the youngest editor of the
                                         
                                         Independent. Wow. And he's
                                         
                                         on The One Show a lot. He's the media editor of the independent wow and he's on the one show a lot he's the media editor
                                         
                                         of bbc and he's a kind of south london friend and i am a friend of his on facebook and i'd seen that
                                         
                                         he had like soaked a gammon in coca-cola at christmas so i was like he wants meat i'm gonna
                                         
                                         give him meat oh no he was doing that as a lovely host.
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
    
                                         On the morning of the podcast, he emails Becky, my manager, saying,
                                         
                                         sorry, forgot to say, I've become a vegetarian this year.
                                         
                                         On ethical grounds.
                                         
                                         Ethical grounds.
                                         
                                         Oh, man.
                                         
                                         So I got these beautiful ribs.
                                         
                                         I'd already started marinating overnight in red wine from Ginger Pig,
                                         
                                         wonderful butchers that's supplying our beef.
                                         
    
                                         Thank you so much.
                                         
                                         And I'd already marinated them.
                                         
                                         So we had to, like, ring up Ginger Pig and say,
                                         
                                         well, these will last till Thursday because George Ezra's going to get them instead.
                                         
                                         Are we having them?
                                         
                                         We're having short ribs, beef short ribs. you were going to get actually rather mediocre fish dish but i'm
                                         
                                         a bit worried because i've never cooked ribs they have been soaking in wine for that'll be four days
                                         
                                         so i think they've got the skin of kind of an old like lush this might be good for me not drinking
                                         
    
                                         this is a good like cheat oh cheat. Oh, babe, yeah.
                                         
                                         I could just suck the bones.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Anyway, I actually, I'm a bit worried about them.
                                         
                                         They feel quite tough.
                                         
                                         How can I make them soft?
                                         
                                         No, you can't.
                                         
                                         It's just cooking.
                                         
    
                                         They've been in there ages, Jen.
                                         
                                         I know, but they're not doing the slow cook thing.
                                         
                                         Can you just check on them?
                                         
                                         I won't make them softer by checking, but I'll try.
                                         
                                         One sec. We've got a situation as I asked mum to look at the the beef
                                         
                                         I pulled it out and I said I'm worried is it tough this is the most expensive rib of beef
                                         
                                         I've ever seen that you cook for like a very short time like a roast. So I asked Sam to get the short ribs
                                         
                                         that had been ordered by Becky.
                                         
    
                                         He picked them up.
                                         
                                         Babe, what did you say?
                                         
                                         I said I'm here to pick up the ribs
                                         
                                         for Table Man.
                                         
                                         Did you say short ribs?
                                         
                                         I said ribs.
                                         
                                         It's not his fault.
                                         
                                         You've got a very expensive
                                         
    
                                         cut of meat here.
                                         
                                         Yeah, but it's overcooked.
                                         
                                         Never mind, it will taste delicious.
                                         
                                         No, it won't.
                                         
                                         It will.
                                         
                                         I'm very upset about this.
                                         
                                         The taste might be solid.
                                         
                                         George, I'm sorry, this has never happened on Table Manners
                                         
    
                                         and I'm very embarrassed about this.
                                         
                                         This is a funny shit show.
                                         
                                         I've never done short ribs, I didn't know they were supposed to look like that.
                                         
                                         Mum save this meal, save this bloody meal.
                                         
                                         I will.
                                         
                                         They're not short they're massive.
                                         
                                         Can you give me a pan to make, please?
                                         
                                         Jessie, give me a pan.
                                         
    
                                         Shall I just get a takeaway?
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
                                         It'll be fine, I'll gulp it up.
                                         
                                         It's going to taste like shit.
                                         
                                         Let me try it.
                                         
                                         It's beyond over cooked.
                                         
                                         It's beyond over cooked. I've got a bit of a takeaway? No. You'll be fine, I'll call it up. It's gonna taste like shit. Let me try it.
                                         
                                         It's beyond over cooked.
                                         
    
                                         It's beyond over cooked.
                                         
                                         That's a beef.
                                         
                                         I need something beefy.
                                         
                                         My pelvic floor is strong enough.
                                         
                                         I'm very upset.
                                         
                                         Another cup there.
                                         
                                         I'm so upset. Another cut there. I said, Adam.
                                         
                                         That's the sound of a long rib.
                                         
    
                                         They're bigger than my child's leg.
                                         
                                         Jessie, didn't you think it was a bit odd?
                                         
                                         I did think it was odd and I said to Sam,
                                         
                                         I asked for short ribs and he said,
                                         
                                         do you want me to go back there and get them cut?
                                         
                                         It's Sam's fault.
                                         
                                         They have been marinating for four days
                                         
                                         and I wonder whether the red wine has turned to
                                         
    
                                         vinegar.
                                         
                                         Jessie, have you got to get my white dish out?
                                         
                                         We can't serve this.
                                         
                                         Should we just get some lamb chops?
                                         
                                         I'm going to order in.
                                         
                                         Mum, no, there's no way that you can save this.
                                         
                                         It's grizzle.
                                         
                                         No, I'm upset.
                                         
    
                                         I'm really upset.
                                         
                                         Because I am a good cook and this is not representative.
                                         
                                         You better tell George.
                                         
                                         So, I've made an executive decision.
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
                                         We can't eat what Jessie's got.
                                         
                                         Are you fucking kidding?
                                         
                                         Wait, why?
                                         
    
                                         They are not short ribs.
                                         
                                         What are they?
                                         
                                         And taste the gravy.
                                         
                                         No, and just please, I'm a good cook, George.
                                         
                                         That's good.
                                         
                                         No, it's fucking shit.
                                         
                                         How do I get a little bit?
                                         
                                         Just pick it up with your finger.
                                         
    
                                         It's hard to know what flavour it is.
                                         
                                         It's the wrong flavour.
                                         
                                         So, we're having takeaway, and this is the first on Table Men.
                                         
                                         Listen, I'm very upset about it.
                                         
                                         What would be your very, very favourite meal?
                                         
                                         Growing up, so both my parents are vegetarian.
                                         
                                         Oh!
                                         
                                         Yeah, but they kind of...
                                         
    
                                         Now you throw it in there.
                                         
                                         But they didn't bring us up...
                                         
                                         And I'm giving you tough food.
                                         
                                         No, they didn't bring us up as vegetarians,
                                         
                                         but they kind of...
                                         
                                         They gave us the choice.
                                         
                                         We didn't often eat meat at home but if we were out
                                         
                                         and meat was an option yeah that was completely fine that was our choice um but it meant that
                                         
    
                                         roast dinners were often like nut roasts and stuff at our house but then when i started getting
                                         
                                         girlfriends and going to their house and they like their family we didn't have much of an extended
                                         
                                         family either so then they're like family come around and there's meat and stuff i hadn't really had roast dinners like that and i went mad for them and now
                                         
                                         i'm like still trying to master the art of a roast dinner i'm getting there do you like roast
                                         
                                         dinners love them it's my favorite yeah which meat would you go for um lamb but then because i didn't
                                         
                                         i didn't think i've got lamb chops coming from the turkish kebab shop in a minute but because
                                         
                                         we didn't grow up but you meet even meat like lamb to me was...
                                         
                                         I probably didn't eat that till I was 19, 20.
                                         
    
                                         That's amazing.
                                         
                                         So what meat did they give you?
                                         
                                         At home...
                                         
                                         Do you know what?
                                         
                                         I think my mum used to break it from time to time
                                         
                                         if she got decent bacon.
                                         
                                         Like if she could...
                                         
                                         I think she'd break it for a bacon sandwich
                                         
    
                                         every now and then.
                                         
                                         When I say every now and then,
                                         
                                         that's not like fortnightly.
                                         
                                         It was kind of like once every two years she might do that.
                                         
                                         I'm trying to think.
                                         
                                         I should have told you earlier.
                                         
                                         Where's the best place you've eaten at?
                                         
                                         Where's the best place I've eaten at?
                                         
    
                                         That's a really good question.
                                         
                                         I kind of, this is going to make me sound really small town,
                                         
                                         but touring really opened my eyes up to, because I hadn't.
                                         
                                         I'd say, oh, mum, that's so passionate.
                                         
                                         No, no, no, but it was kind of... I remember I went to...
                                         
                                         I played a gig called Best Kept Secret.
                                         
                                         It's this festival.
                                         
                                         It's beautiful.
                                         
    
                                         And then afterwards,
                                         
                                         I'd got tickets to go and see Miley Cyrus in Amsterdam.
                                         
                                         So I met with...
                                         
                                         So I played the show in the day,
                                         
                                         then got in this car.
                                         
                                         We drove to Amsterdam.
                                         
                                         So you wanted the tickets for Miley Cyrus?
                                         
                                         Oh my god, yeah
                                         
    
                                         What tour was this?
                                         
                                         This was Bangers
                                         
                                         You a big Miley Cyrus fan?
                                         
                                         Love it, Bangers I was just obsessed with
                                         
                                         I just thought it was the coolest
                                         
                                         thing that a pop star could do
                                         
                                         I just thought it was like
                                         
                                         because do you know what she was trying to do
                                         
    
                                         was get you to forget that she was like a
                                         
                                         child actor
                                         
                                         and I forgot.
                                         
                                         But I like the new Miley.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         The Malibu.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah, Malibu's good.
                                         
                                         But I think that's like point two of bangers.
                                         
    
                                         Like, I think that's the same Miley.
                                         
                                         I think she just went through.
                                         
                                         I think she had to shock everyone to do what she's doing now.
                                         
                                         It's your massive Miley Cyrus fan.
                                         
                                         Love it.
                                         
                                         What's your favourite Miley song?
                                         
                                         There's one on that record that makes me
                                         
                                         laugh so much
                                         
    
                                         and it goes
                                         
                                         driving soul fest
                                         
                                         I'm about to piss
                                         
                                         on myself
                                         
                                         and I don't
                                         
                                         and she says that
                                         
                                         and I'm like
                                         
                                         what
                                         
    
                                         why are you
                                         
                                         putting that in the world
                                         
                                         I think I love it
                                         
                                         because of how
                                         
                                         mad the whole thing was
                                         
                                         but anyway
                                         
                                         that night I remember
                                         
                                         having sushi for the
                                         
    
                                         first time
                                         
                                         and I was like
                                         
                                         22
                                         
                                         or 21
                                         
                                         what do you think
                                         
                                         I was I couldn't believe someone
                                         
                                         was letting me like edamame I was like are you sure I just pick it with my hands I was like
                                         
                                         looking around I loved it there was a load of firsts with touring for food not because I was
                                         
    
                                         like deprived of it as a kid it was more just I don't think I was that maybe not adventurous I
                                         
                                         don't know did you used to eat out a lot as a family? No.
                                         
                                         But I remember,
                                         
                                         we were talking about this the other day actually,
                                         
                                         there was a cafe uno in town and you were still given the choice
                                         
                                         of are you smoking or not.
                                         
                                         That's mad, isn't it?
                                         
                                         And you'd sit in the restaurant
                                         
    
                                         like four tables away from a smoker.
                                         
                                         I know.
                                         
                                         And I don't know, it's pretty mad.
                                         
                                         George. George.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Death row meal or your last supper or your desert island dinner,
                                         
                                         whatever you want to call it, what is your ultimate meal?
                                         
                                         I don't know, can it just be puddings?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, of course.
                                         
                                         Nobody's done that.
                                         
                                         I love pudding.
                                         
                                         One of my favourite ones to make is eat a mess because...
                                         
                                         And we've been redeemed. That's why I made you.
                                         
                                         Did you know that?
                                         
                                         No, no, no, no, no, no.
                                         
                                         Not at all. I heard you ask for meringues.
                                         
    
                                         No, but don't. I do love making it.
                                         
                                         You're just the best guest.
                                         
                                         No, because you can't...
                                         
                                         I mean, you could prove me wrong, but you can't go wrong.
                                         
                                         I could prove you wrong.
                                         
                                         Because it's like,
                                         
                                         because I've done a switch up,
                                         
                                         so I'm worried now.
                                         
    
                                         But go on,
                                         
                                         carry on.
                                         
                                         Yeah,
                                         
                                         I just,
                                         
                                         I love sweet stuff
                                         
                                         and I love that.
                                         
                                         I love,
                                         
                                         um,
                                         
    
                                         what's the one you crack?
                                         
                                         Creme brulee.
                                         
                                         I love.
                                         
                                         And I'm never fussed
                                         
                                         if it's hot or cold
                                         
                                         because I never know
                                         
                                         what's right,
                                         
                                         so.
                                         
    
                                         But sometimes they do come cold in the thing.
                                         
                                         A little bit hot because of the blowtorch on the top.
                                         
                                         And I'm always like, I'll still eat it.
                                         
                                         I would drink custard if that was allowed.
                                         
                                         The Turkish chops are here, so hold on.
                                         
                                         So George obviously
                                         
                                         why you wanted to be on this podcast
                                         
                                         was after hearing the amazing meals
                                         
    
                                         that we eat on this podcast
                                         
                                         How was your meal?
                                         
                                         It was brilliant, it was good
                                         
                                         It's the company that counts
                                         
                                         Oh you're very sweet, thank you so much
                                         
                                         Well we are about to make your favourite meal
                                         
                                         Eat and Mess
                                         
                                         I've left the task to my mother.
                                         
    
                                         I love that you just called eat a mess a meal.
                                         
                                         Right, George Ezra, we have an eat a mess.
                                         
                                         Go on.
                                         
                                         With, yeah, baked apricots, nectarines and stem ginger
                                         
                                         and we didn't have raspberries
                                         
                                         So we've got pomegranates on the top. Please help yourself. I hope this redeems
                                         
                                         our takeaway. Jesse give him the big spoon. Oh, yeah shit, sorry Bev.
                                         
                                         That is amazing. Oh, you're really sweet. It's lovely. You know what we're gonna have to redeem this and do a different podcast with
                                         
    
                                         Giving you a proper meal. This is something we ask everybody
                                         
                                         this and do a different podcast with giving you a proper meal this is something we ask everybody we've had very mixed response um the podcast is called table manners i would love to know if you
                                         
                                         have a bad table manner yourself that you you see in yourself or something that you really can't
                                         
                                         stand seeing in others when you go out for dinner or just eating over the dinner table right there's
                                         
                                         two things there's two things.
                                         
                                         There's one thing I do which I really don't like,
                                         
                                         and I don't know, I only realise I've done it once I've done it,
                                         
                                         and I do it every time I sit down to eat.
                                         
    
                                         And there's something I hate in other people,
                                         
                                         and enough to actually say something.
                                         
                                         If I meet up with somebody for dinner,
                                         
                                         it's just me and them,
                                         
                                         and they insist on...
                                         
                                         They're just looking at their phone?
                                         
                                         Oh, God.
                                         
                                         No, like, if it's just you and them especially,
                                         
    
                                         it's kind of like, why am I here?
                                         
                                         Why don't I get it?
                                         
                                         And then the thing I do, which I hate, is I eat so quickly.
                                         
                                         Like, I'm...
                                         
                                         I see guilty of five things.
                                         
                                         You two can't have dinner together we're very
                                         
                                         incompatible mom what we did want to do something now george may not be up for it but do you want
                                         
                                         to sing your version of budapest to george no no and i loved it how you did it go on just do it again no please please oh oh oh oh i feel fine i feel fine
                                         
    
                                         if ever if ever you want to come to a show please let me know you're more than welcome
                                         
                                         and i'll do a feeling i love your song it's how do you say Budapest? Wrong. I say Budapest. I say Budapest. No, you don't.
                                         
                                         I said Budapest. Budapest. No, but they say Budapest. Oh, you say Budapest. Have you played
                                         
                                         it in Hungary? Yeah. And nobody do I always say Budapest. Budapest. Yeah, I do. I ham
                                         
                                         it up for them. But Budapest is two towns. it's Buda and Kest. Are you big in Hungary?
                                         
                                         I bet you are.
                                         
                                         I think that song, I don't think I am,
                                         
                                         I think that song is, and I don't think they have,
                                         
    
                                         it's not really like a hot spot to go.
                                         
                                         They've got an amazing festival called Zigit Festival,
                                         
                                         which is like the best festival.
                                         
                                         Did you get to play it?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Did you headline it?
                                         
                                         No, I didn't, but it was insane.
                                         
                                         Was it, when you sung that song, was it mental? Yeah, I've got a video, I'll show you a video.
                                         
    
                                         It was like, we could have taken down a small government with the amount of people we had there, it was insane. When you sung that song, was it mental? Yeah, I've got a video, I'll show you a video. It was like, we could have taken down a small government
                                         
                                         with the amount of people we had there, it was crazy.
                                         
                                         Your voice is so deep when you sing.
                                         
                                         I know, and then my laugh is so like,
                                         
                                         ah!
                                         
                                         Isn't it?
                                         
                                         It is, I like, like, it's been the same laugh
                                         
                                         since I was four years old, and I hate it.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, shame, you sound great.
                                         
                                         But your voice
                                         
                                         is much deeper when you
                                         
                                         sing. I know.
                                         
                                         What is that? I don't know.
                                         
                                         I can do it and I don't really ask questions.
                                         
                                         When I found out I could do it, I was just like
                                         
                                         okay, cool. Great voice.
                                         
    
                                         I have to warm up a lot.
                                         
                                         Just trying. There's a dude called Leadbelly
                                         
                                         and he's an old blues singer and I
                                         
                                         loved him, loved him, loved him and I got this kind of uh it was a cd of every song he's ever recorded
                                         
                                         and one of the things it said was that his voice was so big you had to turn your record player down
                                         
                                         compared to other records and i remember just thinking like yeah i want to try that so i wasn't
                                         
                                         singing with good technique or anything i was just shouting but it felt good like 15 what was the first song you write can you
                                         
                                         remember the title yeah wishing well I was really young wishing well yeah you
                                         
    
                                         remember any of it no I remember that I was played bass when I was 13 and that's
                                         
                                         what I wrote and it was this really I can still play the bass line it's
                                         
                                         rubbish what's the bass line can you sing it a bit? It's like dum, dum, dum, dum. That's nice.
                                         
                                         Yeah, but that's all it did for three minutes.
                                         
                                         Listen, George, I apologise.
                                         
                                         I thank you for being here.
                                         
                                         I'm glad that you got to experience Kingsland Road's Turkish cuisine.
                                         
                                         It's not been our best, but I hope you've enjoyed the company.
                                         
    
                                         I've loved it.
                                         
                                         Please stop apologising.
                                         
                                         Okay, I will.
                                         
                                         I loved it.
                                         
                                         Stop apologising. And thank you for having me me mum's just so pleased with herself this didn't
                                         
                                         happen on her watch darling it wouldn't to be honest it's been it's been eventful but it's up with your album thank you I'm really embarrassed and I've never had that happen however I've never entertained as much
                                         
                                         as I have since doing table manners I'm really embarrassed and I'm upset and I feel like it's
                                         
                                         it's it's not shone me in the right light. Shone you? What would you say?
                                         
    
                                         Shone you in the right light.
                                         
                                         Shone me.
                                         
                                         I'm tired and I'm upset.
                                         
                                         George, I'm so sorry.
                                         
                                         Again, I don't know how many times I'm going to have to say sorry.
                                         
                                         You're so sweet.
                                         
                                         You brought wine round.
                                         
                                         You were so polite waiting for the takeaway.
                                         
    
                                         And he sang with me.
                                         
                                         That was jokes.
                                         
                                         He's such a nice guy.
                                         
                                         I'm feeling fine.
                                         
                                         We've got new music for the podcast.
                                         
                                         He said, if you come to my next show, I'll sing that chorus for you.
                                         
                                         This has been Table Manners, the podcast.
                                         
                                         You've been listening to me jesse where and my mother
                                         
    
                                         lenny we're just gonna do what we have to do we're gonna ask you to subscribe
                                         
                                         and rate us should we read out some um reviews someone was really rude last time they gave us
                                         
                                         one star and said if you want sea celebrities and Pret-a-Manger food listen to Taylor. Well uh listen
                                         
                                         mate I love Pret-a-Manger and I really like C celebrities and actually we've tried to get Z
                                         
                                         celebrities so watch this space. This is an interesting one Mr C three star no four star
                                         
                                         sorry so many positives that's the subject This sounds like a kid's school report.
                                         
                                         One minor.
                                         
                                         I would love if it was slightly longer.
                                         
    
                                         With more questions being asked.
                                         
                                         That aside, it's hilariously entertaining.
                                         
                                         Thank you so much, Mr. C.
                                         
                                         We'll do what we can for you.
                                         
                                         Oh, that's sweet, Mr. C.
                                         
                                         Beth Cutting, you want the recipes.
                                         
                                         Yo, Jessie.
                                         
                                         Love the podcast.
                                         
    
                                         Please post the recipes. Want Jessie, love the podcast, please post the recipes.
                                         
                                         Want me some
                                         
                                         pasta cake. Peace. Pasta cake?
                                         
                                         Hi Beth. Oh we made that. You're definitely
                                         
                                         not from London. That Loyal Karner one.
                                         
                                         Loyal Karner, yeah that was good wasn't it? That was me.
                                         
                                         Yeah. So don't mess everything up. The music you've been listening to is by Peter Duffy and Pete Fraser
                                         
                                         and Table Manners is produced by Cup and Nuzzle. Bye.
                                         
