Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S3 Ep 6: MIST

Episode Date: July 4, 2018

MIST. We knew when he requested Coffee Patron as his dinner drink of choice we were in for a good night. As mum swoons over his looks and rocks, we talk prison, getting your hair cut at 3am, what it's like to rap with a Birmingham accent, and his penchant for curry powder. FIRE IN THE BOOOOOTH!  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

hello and welcome back to table manners i'm jessie ware and i'm here with my mother say hi mom hi do you know someone recognized my voice on the tube jessie no yep standing couldn't get on the tube had to get a lady to take her earphones off because i wanted to chat to someone and like she said to me excuse me are you the lady from the podcast now it might have been because I was wearing leopard skin on that day that she recognized it and I said how do you know and she said I recognize your voice that beautiful whinge that you do every week actually people have commented how nice my voice is how clear and rather engaging it is well what was her name?

Do you know her name? I don't know her name. Well, hello and thanks for making my mum feel like an absolute superstar. Today we do have a musical star. His name is Mist and he's from Birmingham and he's a rapper. Second rapper on the show, darling. I know. I love that when he raps he has his Birmingham accent.

Like the Proclaimers when they they sing, they've got Scottish accents. Do they have Scottish accents? You can hear Scottish accents when they sing. How do they sing it? I'm not doing that again. Thank you so much to everybody who's been sending in pictures of their food to Table Manners Instagram. It's Table Manners Podcast, podcast i think that's the instagram

that it is because somebody's taken table manners so yeah shame um but if you do have any ideas recipes what to cook or you just want to send us what you've been eating um you can either tag us in them on instagram at table manners podcast or you can email us at we have table manners at gmail.com and whoever has table manners podcast at gmail please can you give it up to us because that's just really unfair how dare you maybe it was there before we decided what do you think somebody else is doing a podcast called table manners no yeah so i'm not happy about that um we did say that we were going to start second helpings um last week and i apologize because well mum do you want to apologize no okay i'll explain shall i we tried something mum felt like she felt like too much like chris jenner in it so we just have to rethink

the whole format like what chris jenner oh yeah i just felt that it wasn't focused on what table manners is about which is food and family and just chatting and it was too much opinion so why don't we ask the listeners what they would like to hear a little bit more of and then get a gist from them so if you do want to hear more we do want to do this second helpings idea but mum just kind of ran scared which is absolutely fine and i to be able to keep on giving helpings idea, but mum just kind of ran scared, which is absolutely fine. And to be able to keep on giving you table manners, we had to just not put it out because she was threatening to quit,

which she does every week anyway, but this felt really like a real threat. So if you do want to have an extra podcast from us, please give us your ideas of what you'd like to hear more of. And then mum, the people will tell you that they want more of you. I can tell you that right now. I now i don't think so but anyway it'd be great to hear from you we really want to create this community which is table manners listeners we want to hear what

you're eating about us darling it's about the people that listen it's about our guests i know but mum the whole thing is that we were going to like invite them to talk about things and we were going to include them in the emails and stuff also but we need a shorter i think it needs to be a bit shorter than a rambling hour all right okay anyway speaking of rambles do you know who we are interviewing at latitude who adam buxton he is the biggest clash with the world cup well it's on the same day isn't it yeah if you are coming to latitude festival we're going to both be there yes we are and it is our first live podcast so anything could happen and you'll just see how crap we are really without an edit um we are playing in the speakeasy at 1 20 p.m so you will be fine for the world cup final i was thinking as this is going to be a bit of a unique situation i thought everyone could just bring their picnics

and have a massive picnic together so if you fancy eating with us whilst we're on stage having a chat with Adam Buxton it would be so much nicer to see everyone eating in the crowd rather than just watching us eating so please the more the merrier and bring all your food and drinks and we'll just have a massive communal picnic together at Latitude. But we can't wait to interview Adam. I've been listening to his podcast for years and I'm actually quite scared. So we're going to have to really prep.

He might give us a few pointers. Yeah, maybe. It's always good to be with the pros. Yes. A bit worried about the curry, darling. Oh, yes. Tell us what's on the menu. Well, he doesn't eat red meat.

So I decided to have a go at a fish curry a friend had made me a monkfish curry which i really loved so i decided to make a monkfish curry it is slightly sweet and i've put mango in it but you think that's okay i've made my own pillow right is sweet curry good yes your curry is going to be great is there any secret ingredients in there can't say yeah i can okay go on well no there's mango and there's coconut milk i really hope he likes monkfish monkfish is a pretty and prawns yeah oh lovely yeah it should be okay so mom you made me do the pudding you i'm so bad at puddings. Darling, I didn't make you do the pudding. I didn't have time to do anything more.

Okay, well, I've done the pudding. You're overstretching my limits, darling. Okay, I've done the pudding. But I wouldn't call it a pudding, and I did say... Well, I think it's ample. Okay. Because Jessie's on a diet this week. Never eat at Jessie's house if she's dieting.

Because you get exactly what she's eating he's getting a mango and coconut popsicle ice lolly like the baby had the baby did try one for dinner tonight just to check it no she didn't she loved it thank you i may have been rather selfish in this because you're hot i thought i thought that maybe if he didn't want them then my daughter would have them for the rest of the week it's been a hot week you should have bought some coffee from the indian restaurant with nice condensed milk he's getting a bloody rather low fat mango popsicle and he'll be very happy for it very odd eating a lolly in front of people when you don't know them is it a bit like having spaghetti on the first date?

Yeah. Oh, I've made a faux pas. Yeah, because he's got to get his tongue out, hasn't he? Oh, God. I mean, it is an odd thing to do. I didn't think about that. Unless he bites it. He may not have any problem licking a lolly.

I don't think so. He might be a bit embarrassed. Are you embarrassed about licking a lolly. He might be a bit embarrassed. Are you embarrassed about licking a lolly? Yes. I'll have to bite mine and I've got my veneers to worry about. Mist coming up on Table Manners. It's a pleasure to have you on Table Manners. Cheers. Cheers.

Thank you. I'm going to have a taste of that. It looks gorgeous. So we do have to just say, so Mist has requested a drink. Yeah. Never had it in my house. Ciroc, red berry and cranberry. Yeah.

Your first choice was Patron. Yeah. Coffee Patron. Yeah. Coffee Patron. Couldn't find it in Dalston. Sorry, Bebs. Why do you love this drink so much? I like it a lot when I go abroad. Yeah.

Because I go abroad a lot to perform. Like your Ibifas, your Inappas, and all your little party islands. It's a very nice drink to have in the sun. But it's like a, it doesn't really taste like an alcoholic drink no that's what exactly i mean it's like the red berries i've tried um the coconut siroc and i have it like with pineapple and then i pretend i'm having a pina colada and it's quite nice so yeah it's quite a holiday yeah it's nice so you're not a beer drinker wine you have champers

here i can have a beer i can have a beer i've got a beer if you want I just don't I can't mix you can't be on the show you love me swinging out of it got it got it and you kindly come down from Birmingham for this and I'm really thankful thank you so much um mum we have a song out at the moment you've heard it yeah I love it love it. It's good, isn't it? It's really good. What's it about, though? Just Miss Smacking It, basically. I know, but what is it about? Miss Smacking It. Oh, Miss Smacking It.

Yes. What does that mean, darling? Just like he's doing very well. Oh! For himself, yeah. I mean, so, Miss, like, you grew up in Birmingham. Yeah. Brothers and sisters?

Yeah, I've got five brothers from my dad's side right and brothers from my mum's side I've got one brother that lived with me and that grew up with me

no sisters no sisters poor thing why I don't know have you got a girlfriend yeah at the moment I've got a girlfriend

at the moment she's temporary or maybe permanent? Maybe permanent, yeah. Maybe permanent. And you've got a little girl, haven't you, who I met on set when we were doing the music video, who is honestly the most charming little girl.

She was so polite. Her friend was so polite. She was such a gorgeous girl. So, yeah. Is she gorgeous as well? Yeah, she's beautiful. But she was so... I can't even tell you how polite she was. You also had somebody else there, gorgeous as well? Yeah, she's beautiful. But she was so, I can't even tell you how polite she was.

You also had somebody else there, didn't you? You had money. Yeah, my dog. Your French bulldog. Shat all over my dressing room, mum. Oh. Very sweet though. French bulldog.

Young puppy. Who was the puppy at this stage? No, babe. Frenchies always shit. They do what the fuck they like. And they've got terrible wind. Bad, isn't it? Why is it all bad? I don't know that because I just think they're so in bread that they just have really bad Monster it's just the whole journey down here the whole to see with you. Yeah, I dropped him off before come. Where's he gone?

He's at my mates house Where he's got another Frenchie Yeah, I don't know why, man. I don't know what it is, honestly. The whole way in the car he was just... Farting. Trumping.

Yeah. I don't know. So, you know, I'm a pop star. I like to think I'm a bit of a pop star. I mean, I don't look like it tonight and there's, you know, nappies in the bin and stuff.

But, like, I have to say I've never been to the point where I've got security. You've got, with you yeah man what's that about and what am i doing wrong now i think it's more it's a different genre of music yeah i feel like rap music uh it comes with a lot of flashy things and a lot of, yeah, you're doing things to be like a role model.

So certain things that you try and do to be a role model, not everyone can get. And I feel like not everyone has the same chance that you have in life. So it's very dangerous out there. It's a competition between rappers and grumpies. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, because people get killed.

Yeah, yeah, I think there's a yeah because people get killed like yeah yeah there's a competition and I feel like I don't know I just feel like within that genre of music it's like you know what I mean it's not grime in a way because I class mine as like hip-hop like kind of but I feel like in this day and age and era it's there's a lot of you know what I mean animosity within the music. Do you find, because you still live in Birmingham, don't you? But like, do you feel like there's a lot of love for you in Birmingham?

Yeah, of course. But like, I guess people see your success and they... Yes, of course. And there's like, a lot of people feel like I owe them something. You know what I mean? Like, why is he blue and not old? You know what I mean?

Not brought us with us. You know what I mean? Artists that, you know what I mean, want to why is he blue and not old, you know what I mean? Not brought us with us, you know what I mean? Artists that, you know what I mean, want to be involved and think that, you know what I'm saying? There's loads of things, you know what I mean? But it's how it goes. I think it just comes with the game and it's things that you have to learn. You probably need bodyguards to protect your watch. Crikey, I've never seen one as blinging as that.

Have you got your necklace on? I've got a necklace. Is it of your mum? Wow. Have you not got your mum one? No, I haven never seen one as blinging as that. Have you got your necklace on? I've got a necklace. Have you got your mum one? Wow. Have you not got your mum one? No, I've got one. He's got this beautiful necklace where his mum is basically diamonds. That's what you need.

That's what you want, which is no offence. Is that a watch? Let me see. No, this is a bracelet. Oh, it's beautiful. This is my watch. Oh, my God, that's got more sparkles than... Mum is currently looking at all of this diamonds. Well, I wouldn't mind one like that, Jessie.

Take note. It's got a diamond face. It's got diamonds... It's basically encrusted in diamonds everywhere. And are these real? Yeah, of course. That's why he's got a bloody bodyguard. I'm telling you.

You've got a security guard for each piece, basically. Yeah, if they kidnapped him, he'd be worth a fortune. Now, this podcast is you know, about you, but it's mostly about food. So we want to ask you some things about food. Are you a foodie? Do you like, what have you eaten

today? Today I have had a prawn linguine. Lovely. For breakfast though. Why? What time did you wake up? I woke up about 10 o'clock. Had a late one. I was getting a haircut about 3, 4 in the morning. Why? 3, 4 in the morning. You know what I mean? We've got to try and stay. Mate you could have just done, I mean it's lovely but you could have just done that in the morning no? No. Why? Because then there's people there and so I kind of have my barber that comes to me.

So when he finishes work and whatnot. He finishes work at two in the morning, three in the morning? No but he gets to my house like after. What time does your barber finish? About eight. They finish later than normal. Every day nine to five. It's more like a nine to nine barbers. about eight. They finish later than normal. Every day, nine to fives. It's more like a nine to nine barbers. Then it'll pack up, come to mine. So, Holden, you had Porn Linguini

at about ten o'clock. Where did you go? Did you go out for that or did you make it? Deliveroo. Deliveroo. Gotta love a Deliveroo, mate.

Gotta love a Deliveroo. They have them in Birmingham. Yeah, of course. I didn't know they had them all over. get with the times. Birmingham's pretty metropolitan. I know it's, Jassie, I I didn't know. Mum, get with the times. Birmingham's pretty metropolitan.

I know. Jessie, I've just been there. Okay, so you've had a prawn linguine. Have you eaten anything else? Filet fish on the way. A little macadamia. Dry fruit, yeah. I love a filet fish.

I feel like they are an underrated meal at McDonald's. It is a very underrated meal. You can't really have anything else. You're a pescatarian, so. I know. Is that a new thing? It's a new thing. It's a new thing now. You can't really have anything else, you're pescatarian, so. I know. Is that a new thing? Just eat fish. Yeah.

It's a new thing now. Oh, it's a new thing. From the start of the year. So, New Year's resolution, why did you go for it? It was a New Year's resolution, and it was more, I've never changed my diet, ever. Well, what was your diet then, like, before? Just anything, it was just anything. Well, grew up eating everything.

Then, got a bit older, got a bit superstitious, stopped eating pork. Why? Just a bit superstitious. YouTube videos. You know how it gets, what it does to you. But I don't know. I'd have stopped eating pork. Okay.

Then very strict on that, stopped eating it. Yeah, got to start this year. And I thought... No chicken? Are you missing... No, no chicken, no beef, no. Nothing? No, no. But, like, were you a big fish eater before?

No. God, you were three years up on the deep end. Growing up, there was a lot of fish in my house, but, like... Where's your family heritage? My mum is from St Vincent and the Grenadines. Oh, how gorgeous. We've been to Grenada. Yeah, it's beautiful there. It's gorgeous. Gorgeous. My dad was born in

Grenada and then grew up in Trinidad and Tobago. How fabulous. Yeah, I've got a very Caribbean heritage. So like growing up, there was a lot of different foods in the house. Have you been there to all these places? Yeah, of course, yeah. So your family cooked a lot of West Indian food, like Caribbean food? Yeah. So what would be a typical meal that you'd have? Fish, peas and rice. Yeah, or mutton and rice,

or we'd call it at home boiler chicken, which would be like stewed chicken. What was the flavourings with it? Would it be like with tomato and peppers and stuff like that it's a secret I don't know it's a secret

Caribbean people season up better than English they just know how to do it and they season chicken a day before do you like jerk yeah of course

but all Caribbean people now they season meat the night before yeah they never seem to leave it in the fridge just leave it in the fridge to marinate.

Do you cook? I can cook. But you don't? But I don't cook. If you were to bother to cook, like if you were trying to impress us or you had your new girlfriend around and you wanted to cook a dinner,

what would you be doing? I'd do a fast quick meal. Okay. I like that. I like that. Yeah. So I didn't try and take all day and it goes wrong. I'd probably do some salmon, quick meal. Okay, I like that. I like that. Yeah, so I didn't try and take all day and it goes wrong. I'd probably do some salmon, seasoned salmon.

What would you season it with? I'd season it, I'd call it curried salmon. Yes. So I'd season it with like garlic and onions and your curry powder, of course. Not too much, your pepper and whatnot, you know what I mean? And probably with a bit of potato salad. Oh. And pasta.

Do you do anything? You do potato and pasta? Yeah, yeah. But how would you do your pasta? My pasta? The pasta is not so much of a portion. It's more just... A side.

Yeah, a side, decorative. Yeah, but what are you going to decorate it with? Probably make like a curried sauce. Okay. What, like a coronation kind of like a mayonnaise-y curried sauce? No, no, like a actually curried sauce with vegetables in there, I think. With your pasta? No, just on the side, just for your pasta, to dip in your pasta.

Jesse, this is an eclectic meal. This is an eclectic meal. This is an eclectic meal. And then how do you do your potato salad? Potato salad, we'll have boiled egg, mayonnaise. I've never done that. Have you never put boiled egg in your potato salad? No. I've never put boiled egg in your potato salad.

Hey, when we do our book, maybe we'll put the missed potato salad in there. Boiled egg, you grate it up. It tastes great. Beautiful. Oh, that's really good. Well, it's good that we're doing a curry for you because you seem to quite like curry seasoning. Yeah, I like curry.

Do you like monkfish? Yeah, of course. Okay. Monkfish. Okay, great. This is perfect. Can I just ask you something? Yeah.

Are your fans mostly men or women? Because you're so handsome, I can barely look at you. He's really polite as well. He's polite, but so handsome, I can't look. Thank you. I mean, so do you have lots he's really polite as well. He's polite, but so handsome, I can't look. Thank you. I mean, so do you have lots of men that look up to you? Yeah, of course. Or do you have women love you too?

I think it's very, what would you say, Gov? 65% of women. Shut up. Really? He knows the stats. Gov knows the stats. 65% women. You know what?

One of the people That is a big fan of yours I may just call her now My cousin Isabella Wait She's beautiful I'm gonna do the song with Miss

She was like He's road And I went Okay And I went alright And then I was like Well it's a really good song Have you seen how pretty she is

Oh here we go Hi Yeah Just show him how pretty she is Doll look who i've got around for dinner who hi oh my god hello you told me about mist i know i actually did pardon is that your house that's my house mist has come around for the podcast auntie lenny's there hi gorgeous are you gonna say anything to mist are you gonna say anything to mist i was just gonna say hi

okay and slide in the dms later all right i know you'll go okay bye love you bye Rydyn ni'n gwneud, nid ydym yn gwneud starterau, yn ystardder Bombay a'r rhaid i ni gael ffysg mwg a churri prwn gyda rais pilau, rydych chi wedi gwneud eich... Ie, fe wnes i ei wneud fy hun. Felly gallaf weld llwyth baleu yno, cinnamwn, cardamom. And you put, what have you put? Did you put the nuts on it, Mum? I put the nuts on the curry. That's why I didn't want to mix it. And then we've got a spinach, mango and coriander salad.

It's beautiful. Is it? Thank you, love. I'm so pleased. Does it taste nice? I feel a bit embarrassed, given that you probably know more about curry than I do. given that you probably know more about curry than I do.

I am really lucky that I got to do a video with you because your videos are quite renowned. Yeah, man. Like, mum, he's travelled all over the world for his videos. Like, you went to Africa on one. Yeah, Kenya. Kenya. Oh, fabulous. But I think my favourite one is the one that you won Mobo for.

Oh, Hot Property. Hot Property. You were being called by huskies. Yeah. I was independent doing that as well. You were independent? Huskies. Yeah.

You won a mobo for it. You weren't at the mobos, were you? No. Because you were somewhere else. Yeah. I don't know if we're allowed to say. Does everyone know this? Yeah.

You were in prison. So you missed your mobo award. For driving. For driving. Driving what? Yeah. were in prison So you missed your MOBO award For driving For driving Driving what? My car Huskies No my car What were you doing?

I just Driving too fast? Nah nah When I was younger I was a bit I didn't really get my licence When I should have got my licence Okay

So I was banned You were driving without licence Yeah I was banned So then when I was younger I went to prison for Disqualification I think I was trying to You were driving without a licence. Yeah, I was banned. So then when I was younger, I went to prison for disqualification. I think I was trying to get away from the police, so I got done for... I can't remember failing to stop.

How old were you? I was 19. OK, that was the first time you got stopped. Yeah. I think I got stopped about three times within about three years until I was about 21. And you didn't have your... Didn't have my licence.

Why didn't you just get your bloody licence? Because you get banned as soon as you get stopped in it. And instead of me waiting, I kept buying more cars. Right, OK. Went to prison in 2014. Ended up doing eight and a half months. Hey, shit. Just for driving.

First time in prison, never in my life. What was it like? Mad experience, man. You know when people say, prison will make you or break you? Mm-hm. Kind of made me. Made me, like, kind of want different things in my life. Were you going down the wrong path before that?

Yeah, of course, because just before that, my mum and dad passed away within three months of each other yeah mom had an aneurysm on her brain which um she passed away my dad had a cardiac arrest three months before that so it was like i went for a mad stage then obviously i grew up in my mom's house i was living in the house where i grew up in. Who was looking after you? I was on my side. I was 17 at this age. Where were your brothers? My one brother was about. Oh, your mum's son.

Yeah. Was he younger? Older than me, 12 years older than me. Okay. Was he looking after you? Yeah, but working at the same time, so... And you were 19? Yeah, and he's got two kids. And I had Nevaeh at 19 as well.

Your beautiful daughter. So, yeah. So, Hon, you had your daughter and then you went into prison. Or did you... Was she born when you were in prison? My daughter was two or three when I went into prison. My house got repossessed as well. Mate.

One day I come back, I couldn't get in. The house was repossessed. Swent for a mad stage and then got into prison after all of that as well for driving. Did you have anyone that was on your side that could help you and support you? Not at that stage because when my parents passed away, I kind of was in a mode where I thought no one could now tell me anything. You must have been angry as well. I was angry but at the same time I was young so I didn't know how to deal with certain stress.

I was grieving and I didn't know how to deal with it. No-one knew best but me. So I was kind of doing what I want, just when I wanted. Ended up in prison anyway, that's what it got me. And just when I was in there. And what was it like in there, was it...? You're wasting away in there, literally. Did you, I guess, did you exercise in there?

What did you do? Yeah, of course you exercise and whatnot, but it's like a, it's just horrible. I can't imagine. Your freedom is ridiculous.

On the weekend, they'll bang you up, what that means, like lock you away for four o'clock. So from four, you're not allowed to have any energy?

No doubt. And that's at the weekend? It's at the weekend. So what's it like in the week? In the week, it'll be like 7 o'clock so every day from 7 you now got to see Fools until 8 o'clock the next morning.

And what would you be doing on your own? Would you be writing? Were you doing music then? I wasn't writing to start off with I was kind of just enjoying my own company before I went to prison it felt like I wasn't writing to start off with. I was kind of just enjoying my own company. Before I went to prison, yeah,

it felt like I had a lot of friends around me. Every day. Every day of my life, I'd wake up to a friend waking me up by knocking my door or phoning me and telling me they're on their way. There was never a day where... Not even just a day. Obviously, there was days, but more. There was never a month, for instance, where I was not even not even just a day obviously there was days but more there was never a month for instance where i was on my own so in prison i got to actually know myself again

got a kind of understanding what i want in life so i started uh i've done some courses in there which was uh i think i've done a business course a maths course when i went on to the business course that kind of just opened my brain. Like, the guy that was teaching the course in there was a proper down-to-earth guy. Right. And, like, when he knew that your head was kind of screwed on, he'd give you information.

Like, at that stage, I think I had a load of business plans going through my head. At that stage, I had one which I thought I was going to open a burger van or some sort of grilled food van. Mate, you're not the first person. My friend, Felix White, who's in a hugely successful indie band

called The Maccabees, he was on the podcast and it's exactly what he wanted to do. He wanted to do it outside Craven Cottage. So go on. What were you going to... So you were going to do a burger van? I was going to do grilled food

because I had a fear in my head that no one does grilled food in the city centre of Birmingham. Takeaway. You only can go to a restaurant for it. Like the food trucks. Yeah, you know, the food trucks actually get healthier eating grilled food,

which everyone's now conscious. Conscious eating, we call it in Birmingham, where everyone's worried about how much calories. They're looking at the back of things before they eat them so I felt like grilled food would be the way forward

quite a long story short there was many other ones but when I come out obviously I didn't have no funding I came out with letters with Prince's Trust I think that was my only

you know what I mean option that I would have to go for obviously that was just a vision at that stage. So when I come out, it was back to just trying to get my head screwed on. I was living in a hostel at that stage.

When I came out, I was on tag, a thing called electronic tag. Which you would, after being at seven o'clock every day, I think I was on that for another three and a half months because my release date was early so then um because you obviously well behaved and yeah yeah right well by that time i started well actually when i was in there i started writing as well i had to do a um course that was called resettlement. First question of this Resettlement course was,

who are you? And the woman that was leading that course, she goes, before we get into this, I want you to, I don't want anyone to write, I'm a brother, I'm a dad, I'm an uncle. I want to actually know who you are. And I seen everyone. At the stage, I didn't know what to write because at this stage, I didn't have no profession,

no career. I seen everyone looking around, trying people what everyone else is writing me personally i couldn't i didn't even know what to write it was a spider diagram she goes at least write six things i was just there thinking oh i don't even know what to write it kind of shot my head i was thinking how can I not even answer who am I that's like the biggest question in my life to answer so in the end she said

alright then you can write I'm a dad and everyone ended up writing I'm a dad and I'm uncle when I went back

to my cell that day I sat on my cell I couldn't even answer who am I like how can I not answer that question in life and it's mad

you know and it goes back to now, me saying that prison can make you or break you. Not probably a lot of people came away from that session even thinking about that question that they got asked. But me, I went back there thinking, no, I can't have this. There's no way I can go back out. My daughter will now be four by the time I get out.

And me, not even, if someone asked me what do I do, not even have something to say so then we was pushing on I had visions of the burger van obviously, there was a couple other things, I started writing because while I was listening to the radio

in prison you seem to because you're on your own you have a radio, you listen to a lot of radio so you know what's playlisted you kind of find what's getting played every day. What radio station were you listening to? Like you want extra so like

Charlie Slash Show was a big thing in there you know what I mean? Fire in the Booth was a big thing everyone was looking forward to whoever was doing Fire in the Booth. I was listening to it as Everyone was looking forward to whoever was doing the firing the booth. I was listening to it. As I was listening to it, I was thinking, like, I can, you know what I mean?

I can do this, you know what I mean? It's easy to get in a firing booth. Why can't I get a firing booth? But is that because you just had a natural ability? Explain to Mum what firing the booth is. A firing the booth is a platform which is on BBC One Extra radio station, which Charlie Slough does,

where you go there, I think, yeah, you pick one or two, or maybe three or four beats, and you just, you freestyle, basically. You know, it's just like, it's like when we're writing a song, and you just spit it out, so a rapper would have a beat, and they'd just be saying, because it's fire, mum. It's like when we're writing a song and you just spit it out. So a rapper would have a beat and they'd just be saying...

Why do they call it firing the booze? Because it's fire, Mum. It's sick. OK. Or it cannot be... Fire means good. So you thought I could do this? Yeah, of course. I was sitting there thinking, I can do this. And this is with no previous kind of rapping, writing?

Yeah, before. Growing up, I'd done grime. OK, so you're out of prison now. You've had that question put to you. And then you started writing. Started writing about my pain, how I feel about me being in prison, knowing my daughter's out there growing up. So everything coming off my chest.

Ended up coming out and growing into a hostel. 17 people, proper hostel in a mad area called hands where she's in like yeah that area in burnwell it's not really a good area not the nicest yeah and not going to a hostel in there how was that i mean it was it was all right don't be wrong it was good you know what i'm saying but yeah but you don't know who you're going to be with yeah there's people coming in and out there's people getting kicked out you know Yeah, you don't know who you're going to be with. There's people coming in and out. There's people getting kicked out. You know what I mean?

You can't get used to having a neighbour because they just come and go. You know what I mean? And you can't trust anyone. Can't trust anyone. Your door is on a funny latch. And then one day I was rehearsing at the bars that I've written down. And my mate knocked on my door like,

yo, man, you sound dope, man. Do you know what I mean? And at that stage, I think I was 22, 23. And him saying, yo, I've got a guy that works for P110. P110 is a Birmingham platform, which is another like fire in the booth where you go and freestyle in there, which is a platform where

it's not the radio stage it's not the radio it's just an online YouTube okay channel where you go and freestyle which they've got

a certain amount of subscribers and then people can view what you got to do at that stage I was like oh no man

I got a daughter now I can't be doing this rapping thing. You know what I mean? What were you going to do? What were you like? What kind of work were you going to look for? He was going to have his meal.

I actually went. No, but he thought that the burger van wasn't going to happen. The burger van wasn't going to happen because there was Prince's Trust and there was this and that. You know how it goes. I actually went for an interview for recruitment. To be in recruitment? To be in recruitment.

I can't see you in an office. I went there in trousers. Did you wear a suit? Yeah, the whole thing. I remember the people at the hostel was like, hope you get it. You know what I mean? Went to a place called Jewelry Quarter in Birmingham.

Went and had the interview. And I thought it went well. Came back saying it went well. Two weeks later them saying, I don't think this is your department. I think you should. Because at that time I was younger and I said the only experience I had in

electronic wise was IT which was, you know what I mean? I just remember me saying something stupid IT technician or whatever, you know what I mean, I just remember me saying something stupid IT technician or whatever, you know what I mean, I did a course when I left school so from there I just started thinking, you know what it is, let me try your options and actually going into making my freestyle I didn't actually make it thinking I hope I blow from this it was more doing the freestyle to let off what I had on my chest and just to you know what I mean

just so people can hear my story a bit and it was like all the old fans which I had from when I was doing grind

when I was younger came back like oh he's back new fans was like this guy's dope haven't heard a guy like this from

Brom and what not kept building kept building. Ended up getting onto a London platform, which was SBTV, which is Jamal Edwards' channel. Yep, he's great. From there, we went to Fire in the Booth, which I told you about. You're not sorry by this point. So imagine now, after the SBTV, the same Fire in the Booth,

which I was in prison thinking, I hope I get one, Charlie Slough ends up messaging me like, I want you to do a fire in the booth. So it was like, it was a dream come true for me, you know what I mean? How did he find you? Just from me making that much noise. What was the food like in prison?

Rubbish. Really? You'd have things like rice and pizza. You like a double carb so that doesn't sound so bad. Do you know what I mean? Like no thought

ever. No thought. Just boiled. Everything's boiled. Oh. Everything. The chicken. The prisoners

weren't working in the kitchen. Yeah but like that's it. I mean I've watched Orange is the New Black and they've got really good chefs in there

but like were there no like good chefs? I would have thought like, if there was a prisoner that would be like, I want to actually make the food. You'd get times, obviously you get Christmas, then you'd get eat.

Were you in there at Christmas? Yeah, I was in there at Christmas. Oh, mate. Did they... Christmas and New Year's. Did they give you turkey? Yeah, but like... Boiled turkey, yeah?

Two slices. Oh, mate? Yeah, like two slices. Oh, man. Yeah. Crackers? No, it's nice. It's also you have no privacy. That's your crackers. Celebrations.

Do you dislike table manners in any video? Like, what's the one that you can't deal with when people do it? That at the dinner table. I think, like, come from where I come from. Don't get me wrong, my mum taught me very good table manners. She even taught me that I shouldn't hold my fork with the right hand, but I just couldn't ever hold it with my... Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, no, you're doing it. I got told, I know, like, you're not meant to. And I do know, probably, where you're meant to set up a certain table. I do know... Well, I don't probably know. If you probably put me on the spot now... I'm not going to put you on the spot, don worry about it but i did get brought up in a way where you'd have to know elbows on the table yeah all that yeah mum's like taking it out i'm trying

to say like i do know that well yeah i've been brought up in that way do you do that with your daughter as well not so much she doesn't need it she's honestly the most polite yeah it's more so much mum she doesn't need it she's honestly the most polite yeah it's more burping

or farting or swearing or leaning over the plates or just kind of common things man that will make you feel

uncomfortable about your meal I've made homemade mango popsicles they're rather healthy so you'll feel very virtuous after it. If you'd like one, they're here and they're ready to be served. Yeah, of course. I've got to try them.

Do you want to take these away, darling? Oh, yeah, sorry. Take it back. Let's go. I like Solero's, Rumi. It's not bad. It's very healthy. Mr. is enjoying it. It's not white, isn't it?

It's mango puree at the top. I've tried to do a two-tone. It was a first try. It's not fab, is it? It's not fab. It's nice. It's all right, isn't it? Yeah.

Healthy. He's so complimentary. Even if he didn't like it, he'd be nice. I wouldn't eat it. Oh, okay. Very honest. Okay. Why wouldn't you eat it? If I didn't like it he'd be nice i wouldn't eat oh okay very honest okay oh wouldn't you eat it

okay if i didn't like it can you just i mean because you're from birmingham i don't know many spots in birmingham to eat at like are there any that you want to shout out that you love good curry in birmingham good curry down selling i go to a place called my lahore my lahore beautiful place yeah what would you order in the city center you'd have to just go and get a lot of different... The masala fish from there is beautiful. I went there when I was eating meat, so the chicken wings are beautiful. I've never had Indian chicken wings.

The chicken steak. They do a chicken steak with peppercorn sauce. Oh, wow. Some signature dishes there, so you have to go there and try. Beautiful. Great. Thank you so much for being on Table Manners

I mean look this is the most time we've got to spend with each other but every time I meet you you are such a gent I'm so happy

it's all going so well for you thank you for taking a chance on us and having our dinner and I love the song Wish Me Well that's very good

I'll be inviting you up to mine next okay oh yeah I'd love to you've inspired me for a little little very good. I love it. I'll be inviting you back to mine next. Okay. Oh yeah. I'd love to. You've inspired me for a little, you know what I mean?

I want that potato. I want that potato. I want that potato. Thanks so much, Beth. Thank you. Mum, Mum. What, darling?

How did you find that? I think he was handsome and charming. He was really charming. Charming, but very beautiful to look at as well. So you had a really good Friday night? Yeah. He was fun. I still don't know what his music's about,

but it was... I don't understand it, really. That song that he's rapping about is about him going from having nothing to lots. Yeah. Good. He's certainly doing well, because you nearly need his sunglasses to look at his watch.

And his chain. And his chain. And his bracelet. And his bracelet. It was diamond studded. I love when he said goodbye. He just had this really neat Gucci backpack on too. Yeah, he's got all the bits, hasn't he?

But it was a pleasure to have him and he was incredibly open about his time in prison. He's a really sweet, delightful person. You don't expect rappers to be really quite so delightful. They get a bad rap, don't they? Bad rap. Not that good. I would like to read out some reviews, Mum. We haven't done this for a while.

Oh, no. Well, five star. Thank you, Jay Barrel. Favourite chat podcast. Adore this refreshingly honest and irreverent podcast. More Lenny, though, please. Maybe she needs a solo spin-off. That's called Second Helpings that mum did not oblige to so yeah

one star no it's by hannah oh my god is it hannah do you think it's hannah where it just says bit tory bit tory do they know us bit tory you've been on my Instagram last week. Jesus. Bit Tory. What's Tory about it? I don't know. I'd love to know, Hannah. Hannah. I guess she's not listening anymore because she gave us one star.

So if anyone knows Hannah. We're not Tory. She did tap in last week. So let's just say. Tell them we're not Tory, Jess. Hannah, we're not Tory. We're fiercely left. Far from Tory.

Yeah. So I'd like to know what. Anna, we're not Tory. We're, we're fierce. Yeah. So, uh, I'd like to know what God, I was slightly worrying. What? That she thinks we're Tory. We just had Sadiq Khan on mate.

Yeah. I'm confused about that. Okay. Well, I love this Lucy priest. Um, I don't want to like, just,

you know, to our own home, but this one's pretty nice. Love it. Five star Lucy priest. The concept of this podcast is nothing less than genius i listened to a couple of episodes before my a-level exams and i felt a lot calmer going in i'm glad i don't know how we're like mind space you mean headspace headspace sorry headspace calming people down but we're just making them realize

that their life isn't as stressful as ours so we made her feel a lot calmer going in do you know something no one's ever told me i'm calming no no me neither hilarious the relationship you have with your mum is amazing and the guests are super don't worry jesse i don't mind your swearing it adds a bit of spice if you've been enjoying the podcast please do subscribe and mum how many stars do we like? five oh uber rating let's just see

I'm 5.67 how can you be 5.67 no 4.67 I've been really nice to all the uber drivers all I'm saying is that I am so nice to them they're all so nice to me back and oh I've been really nice to all the Uber drivers. All I'm saying is that I am so nice to them. They're all so nice to me back. Oh, I've gone up.

I've gone up three. 4.52. 4.52? Mum, that's an improvement. I've been in 48 for about a year. Oh, maybe I'm not even that much. Let me see. 4.62.

Shit. Yep. To be continued continued thank you so much for listening the music you've listened to on table manners is by peter duffy and pete fraser