Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S6 Ep 3: Carly Rae Jepsen

Episode Date: May 8, 2019

Through some incredibly crossed wires, this Canadian superstar was granted Quiche for this week's Table Manners - the delightfully charming Carly Rae Jepsen chats to us over Rosé about quiche, homemade pasta, on-the-road eating habits, the best things to do in Canada and how cheese should be banned on flights. We delve into our childhood musical roles, whilst talking about her time on broadway and her brand new album. What a hoot, please enjoy.... 'a la Carly'!! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Peloton all-access membership separate. Learn more at onepeloton.ca slash running. Jessie. Yeah. Hey. Hey. I just met you. Good.

And this is crazy. Here's my number. So come on, you maybe. Listen, we've got one minute to do this intro before our guest arrives. Okay, go on, what are you going to say? No, you've got to let me do this intro, please. So this is going to be a bit frantic, but we are very excited to have a Canadian superstar. And apologies for the interruption by my daughter, who has decided she's a mermaid today

and is supposed to be at nursery at the moment, but she's got pink eye conjunctivitis. So, let's hope we don't give it to the guest. So, mum. Yes, darling. I'd like to rename this episode Quiche Gate. My darling. Who asks for quiche? It's very popular in America.

I've just been there. Yeah. People were saying, we've got quiche on the menu as if it was a big deal. So I think it is a very big deal now, quiche. Well, I have never laughed so hard as when you know we ask all our guests if they have any dietary requirements or if they like anything so we got you know through the publicist apparently she likes homemade pasta and quiche okay well I can't make pasta so I've done quiche so we've done quiche for the lady yeah I've done an onion quiche which I've made once before

and everyone loved it yeah and I got up very early this morning to make it yeah and I hope it works and you've made

some nice things no I've made some new potatoes and roasted tomatoes and then I've done slow roasted tomatoes with capers and garlic

and it's kind of inspired by Delia used to do really good peppers, stuffed peppers, didn't she? Yeah. So I just thought about that and it's been really sunny. And so I thought that would be nice.

Mum's just come back from Florida and brought my daughter a load of tat. So my daughter's now in a Florida bright pink t-shirt, a necklace with dolphins, plastic dolphins on. And she's got two, because one mermaid wasn't enough. So she's got some miniature, I mean, it's like a... Why did I need more plastic tat in my house? Because it can go in the bath.

She likes it. She's happy. And I bought seashells that I picked off the beach in Sanibel. Did you eat well in Florida? Yeah, but very expensive. Delicious fish. I had Maui. I had flounder, which I felt a bit sad because of Nemo.

And flounder in the mermaid. And flounder in the little mermaid. And he was the good guy. But it was really delicious. I had Maui and I had red snapper. Nice, you ate fish. Yeah, really wonderful fish. It was really delicious. I had mahi and I had red snapper. Nice, you ate fish. Yeah, really wonderful fish. It was really good. I've been busy writing our book. Good darling. Which

we're really excited about. Although we have a deadline of three weeks. That's fine. It's all doable. Yeah, that's cool. Hey. You can't do that to her. Please don't do it. I'll die. Okay. She's a Canadian singer who has some of the catchiest songs known to man, but also has become the coolest pop star and a gay icon. She's gorgeous. She is gorgeous.

She's also really nice. I met her years ago in New York. I wonder if she'll remember. Let's see. We'll see. I met her in a dive bar York. I wonder if she'll remember. Let's see. We'll see. I met her in a dive bar. Let's wait for Carly Rae Jepsen. Can't wait. Is it cool if I pour a little bit of this to start?

Have a lot of time. Thank you so much. Do you want a glass of wine? Oh yeah, would you like some? Yes, please. Would you like some water too? Okay,

yeah, we'll. Hold on a minute, let me just think. Now, what kind do you like? Because this kind of day, would you like rosé or white?

Or would you like red? Rosé would be nice. Are you guys in a rosé mood? I am really happy that you said yes to this. Oh my God. Because. Thank you for asking me. Are you kidding?

Well, I wondered whether you remembered. We met in a kind of weird frat bar years ago. Okay, tell me more. No, you don't remember. I don't really remember. Ed Sheeran, I think, was there too. Okay. And you were doing Cinderella.

I remember this night. You were doing, and we went to some frat bar or dive bar it was in New York it was in New York okay and I was there with Benny Blanco yeah anyway I met you before and I thought you were charming and it's very lovely to now have you in my house but you were doing Broadway it was and that was that was after it was call me maybe yeah and the Kiss album came out and we had done an entire promo tour and actual show tour

and I was just called out of the blue to ask if I would be interested and I didn't really think twice about it. I was like, yes, who doesn't want to be Cinderella for a brief moment in their life, right? Yeah. Why were you Cinderella? What were you Cinderella in?

It was just the the broadway musical i didn't know they had a musical of it apart from when you did it no i only actually um kind of found out about it when i got the phone call and everyone thought i was nuts to just be like taking a break in the middle of everything to move to new york and do a broadway musical show but i i just bucket list style it was something i really wanted to do and pursue as well i kind of grew up i don't think it would do you any harm yeah it was nice it was something I really wanted to do and pursue as well I kind of grew up I don't think it would do you any harm yeah

it was nice being Cinderella to like pop the little bubble of like LA and like writing music and that world and kind of

create a brand were you brought up in LA no I was I was raised in Canada oh she brought oh you're a second Canadian in two weeks am I

we had Kiefer Sutherland a couple of weeks ago. Oh, crazy. But he lives in LA as well. I live in LA now too, yeah. Never going to go back to Canada? No, I'll go back for sure. Where are you from in Canada?

Mission BC, close to Vancouver. Oh, okay. You can go really good. Have you ever gone whale watching in Vancouver? I mean, whenever we... That's what everyone says to do. Go on the ferries you kind of keep your eye out yeah but i i've seen like but i this is what all my mates want to do

at the moment they want to go to vancouver to whale watch that's the thing i mean if i was going to vancouver for vacation there's a few other things i would suggest first but like whales are great but have you ever seen a whale? Yeah, absolutely. So it's like, no big deal. I feel like that's, in Canada, there's a few things that are considered no big deal, like bears, for example. You see bears? Yeah, absolutely.

Like grizzly bears? Black bears, mostly, I've seen. Are they the dangerous ones? Grizzlies are the dangerous ones. Well, I mean, I don't think any bear is not dangerous. They might give you a good hug. So hon, you'll be camping and a big bear, big black bear will be right there. Not so much that.

Let me put it this way. I brought my boyfriend home to my mom's like place in Tofino and we were out like fishing with my uncle and my uncle before we go into the wild, he was like, you should take this knife and I'm taking,

he's an English boy, this guy that I'm dating. He's like, I need a knife. And he was so terrified about what he was going to need the knife for. And we're like, well, just in case there's like, you know, it's good to be safe in case.

And then he was posing with his knife feeling all manly because he'd never held one before. And we went out into the bush and we're driving and we're like, oh, I wonder if we'll see a bear today. And he looks over at me being like, I know I have a knife, but I'm totally screwed if we see a bear and sure enough we saw one on the way just like a little baby cub running did he hide behind you he freaked out and then we we drove a little ways further and we're like all right let's get out here to go fishing and he was like hold the phone a couple blocks back we saw a bear I'm not kidding. We were like, it'll be fine.

They'll leave us alone. It's okay. How long have you been together? Two years. I mean. And he's a Brit. He is. We were best friends for like a year.

And I always thought it was just trouble. But then he kind of convinced me after a while that we were a good idea. So we've been together for about two years now. Does that mean that you spend a lot of time here actually no he lives in LA we found out we met in Nicaragua and then we found out right what were you doing just you were both sightseeing well as predictable as it is he's a musician and producer as well so we met the usual way at work and we had both been invited to the songwriters camp in Nicaragua. And I don't even know why. I love these songwriters camp.

It was in Jamaica or Nicaragua. And you're just like, I'm going. I don't give a shit if I make a good song or not. I'm going for the town. I literally was so against them for the longest time because I didn't think it was the best idea just to force creative people into a place they've never been. I'm like, it just sounds like a party. Sorry. My son has just had the bottle taken away from him. And he's, yeah, there you go. Sorry. You are like, it just sounds like a party. Sorry, my son has just had the bottle taken away from him and he's...

Yeah, there you go. Sorry. You are every woman right now. I'm loving it so much. I'm listening. I'm just praying that he doesn't speak all the way through this thing. Oh, and the wine has arrived. Oh, yes. Hallelujah. Thank you, Adam. Shall we cheer? Shall we do a cheers? Yeah, we'll do a cheers. Hold on, I'm going to try and put the bottle in his mouth.

So cheers. We are all four of us. Cheers. Cheers. Can I just ask about Canadian Idol? Because I watch I'm going to try and put the bottle in his mouth. So cheers. We're all four of us. Cheers. Cheers. Good things. Can I just ask about Canadian Idol? Because I watch every idol there is. I'm sick of answering it though. I haven't talked about it in a while. Let's go back.

It's going to be quick. Is that how you started? I guess technically that was like my breakout in Canada. Yeah. But it felt kind of still exclusive. And you won? No. No. No, no, no. I came third. They always, number three always is the best.

Is it? Oh, always. One Direction. Pigs. It's still a sore wound. They were number three. They were number three too. Wow.

Actually, I really wasn't expecting to make it far at all on that show. I felt like it was such a coin toss. Who was the judges on that? God. Were they Canadian? Sashash Jordan that was the female judge. Canadian people. You love them all and you really appreciate what they do for you. No I'm having a brain fart. I'm forgetting. Were you very young when you were on it? No I was um god I was 21 I think that is young but not as young as like but now you have like a 15 year old yeah yeah so I think it's too young and I think I

felt very young when I went on it I felt very like um terrified of the whole experience but also like so excited so were you singing before and your mum said you've got the best voice in the whole wide world and you were in all the school musicals and you were gigging and doing all of that no I had a very honest mom who was like you have a very different voice and she's like and that's something like you you should just like have fun with it and my dad too my dad was really like amazing I have four parents actually step parents as well so my growing up my dad was really like amazing i have four parents actually step parents as well so my growing up my dad was the type to like play guitar to me before bed and like let me sing along with him so what would he what would he play before bed usually james taylor

oh this is so wholesome and lovely which song did he play um you've got a friend yeah my think our favorite song was the sun is surely sinking down i don't know and the moon is slowly right we'd always sing that like as a duet together um and harmonize oh my god you're killing me i mean i've weirdly i think that was like kind of part of the thing when you have i think i was quite young when my parents divorced and remarried and i'd always miss my mom and his way of calming me down was sort of just like let's sing some songs and i would get like lost in the music and it felt like really comfy after that so yeah yeah so I guess the answer is I've been singing since I was seven I think was my first like on stage performance but Canadian Idol was the first time that I got any exposure kind of thing outside of mission

yeah but I did do the musical theater run in high school I love musical theater and I did do the musical theater run in high school. I love musical theater. Did you do musical theater? Well, I mean, I did it at high school, but like, you know. What were your roles? Tell me. Oh, I love this. This is when we know we're into music. Okay, so I was Miss Adelaide in Guys and Dolls.

Okay. And then I was Reno Sweeney in Anything Goes. You had some cool musicals. We had all like the typical ones. Which ones did you do? We did Annie. Who were you? Annie. It got to be Annie. Did they have to put typical ones. Which ones did you do? We did Annie. Who were you? Annie.

It got to be Annie. Did they have to put a wig on you? Yes. Okay, fine. Lovely. A couple of wigs. Ripped out a lot of my hair during that process. And then oddly we did The Wiz.

Oh, that's supposed to be amazing. Oh, wow. Yeah. See, that's cool. Yeah, they didn't do that here. I don't think they know of it. I mean, so we were like, not the funkiest. It was like a lot of white kids trying to ease on down the road and it was just like like no it was not a choice for some

reason but um yeah and then we did uh Grease Grease you were obviously I had to be sent yeah that was the first time I ever like learned to like stuff my bra and wear high heels my parents were really thrown by it we're, what has happened to our dog? We always ask people, was food a big part of your growing up? Yeah, my family's rather food obsessed in the loveliest way.

Oh, actually, that's not true. Not all of them, but certain members, we are passionate and I am one of them. So who's the best cook in your family? Oh, dangerous.

Clearly your mom. Dangerous question, right? My mom. You have four parents to choose from for this. It's probably between my mom and my step parents of the parents, but my stepmother's mother is Italian, old school Italian. She like. Makes great pasta.

No, like you don't understand. Like the lasagna that she makes is sought after from the like my family members to like a competitive nature. To the point where my mother on the opposite end of the family's castle. This is my dad and my stepmom's mom we're talking about. My mom. So your nonna. My mom had heard me and my brother talking about it so much and was like can you somehow sneak me a piece it like traveled what's in it i don't know exactly it's a whole day process that my sister um has actually lived

through once and tried to document and record and then i asked her if she would teach me when she came to la and she's like i still have no idea what she says it's that complicated it's unbelievable and she's been working on it for years very passionate lady about like wanting to please people but very thin thin later layers of all the past so how many layers are there then there's more layers then it's the thinnest lasagna i've ever seen in terms of layers i don't know you know if i can count her own lasagna yeah she does that's it maybe i should be doing that it's i think it's a commitment it's like a life commitment what this woman has done And she's passionate about it Well I want to know So we had We go

Do you like anything You know Or dietary requirements We got back She loves homemade pasta And quiche We've never had quiche Who's talking for me

We've never had quiche Who the fuck I've never seen anybody go God I really fancy A slice of quiche Yeah but I'm Was somebody having us on No that's

It wasn't for me. But they... I think that probably came down the line because those are the two meals that I cook the most. Quiche because it's easy and homemade pasta because it's impressive. Oh. So they probably were like, this is what she feeds us. Do you want to know which option we went for then? The easy one.

Which is... Yeah, man. So we've got onion quiche. I love it. And we've got some slow roasted tomatoes on rocket and then some new potatoes. It's very simple. It's a kind of balmy day outside.

So we thought maybe it would be kind of, it's a summery day. But I just made, it cracked me up so much that we were like, she loves quiche. But I've just been in Florida and quiche is quite popular in the States at the moment. I will say I'm not like a chef of all chefs, but in my home ec class back in high school,

I learned one quiche, and I've been messing with that. Like, no one has been messing with her lasagna for a while. And it's, I make the best quiche you ever did. Not to say that there's one behind. Look, what's in your quiche? It might be, what's in your quiche? That's just it. It's the one time I let myself not follow the recipe book.

It feels like it's really in my soul. I just play with whatever's in the kitchen. But I think it's like a pretty easy recipe where you just throw like the meat at the bottom, the vegetables that you want on the top, you mix the eggs and the milk, salt and pepper, put it on top, and then you just put really stinky cheese on top of it

and it always works out. I've never made quiche with meat. No. Ever, no. I guess like ham would be something that you put in though yeah like smoked salmon and dill that's fine yeah that would be great yeah smoked salmon dill quiche that would be really good ala khali what are your famous meals do you have a couple of those that are like so we're so honestly we've exhausted the mom's chicken soup is her thing. Mum's chicken soup? That's so classic and perfect. Yeah.

That's good. But like, the problem is. But we're writing a cookbook at the minute. Yeah. Really? Yeah. So,

basically everyone is our guinea pig when they, when they, you know, we host and that's what happens. But now we kind of have to reimagine. It's not like you, and also because it's the podcast,

you can't give everybody chicken soup or quiche for that matter or quiche but quiche we haven't done it yet so thank god and you make the onion quiche

if it's edible and it's not if it's edible enough make the book so yeah you know what I like about a quiche too is it's a breakfast

in press or a dinner or a lunch depending on what you want to do that's why five o'clock we thought it would be okay I know it's perfect this is I just or a dinner or a lunch, depending on what you want to do. That's why five o'clock,

we thought it would be okay. No, it's perfect. This is, I just, I love that we're talking about quiche so much because I just, it did make me laugh. I was like, who is this person? But it's because you are good at cooking. She can make it. Fine, okay.

I'm glad that we got that cleared up. I wanted to know what my competition was like out there. So someone should have said she's really good at quiche and homemade pasta not that's what she prefers to eat who are these people who are they they've gone for a cocktail down the road um but so um growing up it was what were you eating kind of regularly at the dinner table it was a kind of regular kind of family meal well i had a strange food experience growing up i think mostly because of the two different houses yeah and my mothers and my

stepdads they were like really like health nuts into like everything like my treats going to school were like packed raisins and nuts that kind of situation um but they're really good cooks too i didn't learn to appreciate that until I got older. My dad and Patty, my stepmom, they were probably two of the worst cooks I've ever met, ever. I mean, I adore them to death. I think one time Patty tried to make cheese soup where she literally grated cheese into some hot water. But they learned to like adapt to stuff and they...

But her mother's a great cook. I think it passes, it skips a generation and weirdly my sister her daughter like my stepsister she is like an incredible cook as well so I think it

maybe it skips I don't know but you guys you're both good at cooking so maybe that's not a reason to be here I don't know if I'm good at cooking

I just kind of don't know if I am I don't know I don't know we just kind of I know I'm greedy so I know that I basically have to just

I like to eat so I have to kind of make know I'm greedy so I know that I basically have to just I like to eat so I have to kind of make it work weirdly think the one thing it takes to be like a kind of slightly good cook is just a passion for good tasting things because you're not going to put up with crap totally so where's your favorite meal out in London in London um do you know London that well though I know it and I mean I can know a place for a day and I'll find my place for food you know that's like my extracurricular activity even this morning we were talking about all the things we had to do today I'm like okay that's great let's talk about lunch what's our plan for the lunch and what did you have for lunch we ended up not having a ton

of time so we had to order in sushi but But I went on the first day I was here. I went for lunch at the 9th. Have you been there? Oh, I don't know that. No. My boyfriend and I stumbled across it. It's close to the Soho Hotel. Soho House. Soho House.

Got it. So it's in Soho. Yeah. And we stumbled across it. It looked cute. And we went for an early dinner. And then we were eating everything and just like amazed by how delicious it was.

Kind of French cuisine. And, um, and then we looked it up later on. It's like a Michelin star restaurant, like by accident. Never heard of it. Yeah. The ninth. Okay. Thank you.

I'm just here to teach you about London really. Thank you so much. Thank you. So has your boyfriend taken you to any spots that he, has he ever been a Londoner? He's a Londoner? Or is he just British? He's lived in London for a little bit in his, like, kind of college years. But he's L.A. based now. Okay.

So he hasn't been like, I've got this place, this little, like, hole in the wall. No. Oddly, he wasn't so much a foodie until we met. I'm, like, bringing it out of him, I think, a little bit. He's kind of happy with, like, whatever's in the fridge. Sort of like that typical college man that never grew up where I'm like bringing it out of him. I think a little bit. He's kind of happy with like whatever's in the fridge. Sort of like that typical college man that never grew up where I'm like, do you still have Kool-Aid?

Is that a drink that people above the age of 12 drink? I don't think they do. Yeah. So we had some work to do in that category. But now he's like really into cooking, which is great. So where do you go when you're in LA? Like where are your like regular spots? Are you east or west?

I'm in Los Feliz. The best place ever i love franklin avenues little doms we have i love monday night deal those blueberry ricotta pancakes oh what i haven't had them yeah um i yeah it took me a while to figure out what my spot was in in los angeles but i think i found it in in that area um there's a couple places i love one um i'm trying it's called there's like a restaurant that's called bestia that's like yeah considered the best restaurant the only problem is the hostess is a little you know what it's like that new york vibe of like you should be so lucky to be here and i always feel like it takes me a moment or two to like get past that before i reach the food is good i do have an issue with her i want to shout out to whoever that blonde girl is and be like get an attitude check lady and i'm blonder

than you best you yeah yeah i outblonded you and i made a reservation two months ago when you're meeting no i can never get in. Well, yeah, I don't know what it is about it. But it is good. But also when I even had a reservation, yeah, it kind of

is a little strange. I'm really glad I have a forum to be able to complain publicly about. Oh, I'd love to wrap me up. Perfect. This is really why I came here. I have to say

whilst you're I don't know when do you leave? Tomorrow Oh shit Crikey How long have you been here? I arrived two days ago

Poor thing You won't know which way you're going Really? You do You look fantastic You'll meet yourself on the way back

So has it been promoting the new record? Yeah We performed at Live Lounge That was kind of the main reason. What did you perform? I did a Khalid cover of Talk and then I sang. Oh, amazing.

It was fun. Great. I always love to pick covers that are like the opposite world that you belong to just because it feels like, why not? Who is Julian? There's a couple of answers to that question. It did date a boy when i was younger named julian yeah french canadian guy okay we had a wonderful weekend in quebec city once

but but this is not like a pining song where i'm sending a message secretly to julian just to clarify it's not about you julian right okay avert the alarm no i thought it was such a musical name and then i'd been trying to put it into a song for a while it always surprised me that like hey Jude his son's name was Julian and I'm like but and he didn't think it was like musical and I or maybe he just liked the shortness of it but I was like Julian is good it sounds lovely yeah and so the um if I think it became more of like a metaphor of like everyone's idea my idea of like that person that's in the back of your head that you constantly think about.

And fantasy sort of took over and I made this wild romance. Do you still like Julian? Oh, I do. He moved to LA actually and I saw him like, I think we went to play pool once a couple of years back and he's doing great. He's a musician as well. I always fall for musicians.

Yeah, why? Yeah. I'm going to write, my next song is going to be like, don't kiss the producer. that what you did with the Julian's case yes yes but I was young I was foolish well going back to this new your new guy that you've been with well not that new he's been around for a year and a half two years ages in my books um and you met in Nicaragua yeah yeah so that was kind of your first date in Nicaragua or did you no like I said we were friends for the first year and then um and then things kind of just like progressed I think we both actually were with other people at the time and then we our relationships

ended and I think we still were nervous for a while and then eventually it was like kind of obvious though I think my mom invited him over for dinner at one point when she was in ala with me she's like i'm cooking a chicken thing you should invite that guy but and i was like what okay cool i'm like he's not gonna come it's like a family dinner but he arrived and then it felt very date like i think our first date was with my mother and my mom got a little tipsy and started being like slightly flirtatious. And I was like, mother, enough with the leg showing. Like sit down. Your mum sounds fantastic.

Yeah, she sounds great. She is fantastic. So we like to ask a few kind of standard questions. So we've got some of your food hotspots. So you've already answered that your dish is a quiche. That's great. And I'm very glad that I know this. And I'm going to try salmon and dill.

What's the other ones that we asked mum? Have you got good table manners? Of course she does. I don't think that I'm a really pretty chewer. I kind of get really excited about whatever I'm eating and half the excitement gets a little messy sometimes. I feel like if I had my way, you wouldn't have to watch me eat

when I'm really passionate about what I'm eating. I get my fingers in there. I lick my fingers in there. I lick my, you know. No, we like that. Fingers and yeah. We like enthusiastic. You like it. Enthusiastic eating.

Okay. Yeah. And also I get, it's a family trait, but when it's really good, my aunt is classic at this, that every bite she'll go, mmm. Oh. Mmm. And it's like a musical experience where it's like sounds a little like having too good of a time

this is brilliant thank you um and what's your worst table manner in like when you're going out with somebody else do you have kind of something that just gets your goat um I have a real passion for sharing food when we go out because I want to try all of the things together and I have a and I also have a secret agenda of what those things should be the first 10 minutes is me trying to make it feel like the lamb was your decision I love you that's exactly Jesse is exactly like that okay there, there you go. But she eats quicker than anybody I've ever met. Okay, I think that's a...

So never ever share with her. That's a trait of touring though, I think. And being on the road because you have sometimes 10 minutes and you've got to scarf it up. That's exactly what it is. It's not because I'm a greedy cow, no. No, darling, it started when you were...

And now my excuse is that my son or my daughter needs me. So now I'm like, oh no, this must eat. Started when you were zero. So she's been greedy since she popped out there. Do you have a particular food like Chinese or Italian or that you like more than anything else?

It will be like your comfort food that you'll go to when you come back from tour or whatever. I'd probably say Italian. Both of my step-parents are italian strangely enough what's your background i'm canadian i'm apparently i'm all like the issues like i'm danish and irish and scottish yeah i'm like a nice she looks a bit ish yeah are you jewish no i don't think i'm jewish damn it i know no you've got every other good book. And you're blonde.

You haven't been blonde forever. No, only the last couple years. I like it. It looks gorgeous. Thank you. When I first did it, I had no understanding about what it is to dye your hair from like a black mullet to like a blonde bar. But I had grown my hair out and I had this idea I was going to have long blonde hair

and we were doing a shoot the next day. And I convinced this woman, very nice woman, very talented hairdresser, that we could do it in a day, go from black to blonde. We did. And then I went to stroke my hands through my hair and it all came out. Oh, shit. Like, and the one thing I will say about getting older is that when I was younger, I think

I would have, like, lost it. And at this point in time, for some reason, I found it hysterical. Like, bad funny where you can't stop laughing. And she's like, what are we going to do? You have a shoot tomorrow. I was like, I don't know. Like, when are we going to? Like, do you have any wings?

And it was for, like, a Target commercial. Like, it wasn't a little shoot. And I was, like, shooting with, like it wasn't a little shoot. And I was like shooting with like, oh my God. It was so funny. And I was like, I looked a little like Ellen DeGeneres, but like not done well. Like it was just a little, it was like half of it was in. I'm going to Google this Target shoot.

Oh no. And then so we just had to like cut it off. So I got to have like a really like. But that's kind of good that you had to do that. It was fun. You've had that haircut now. I got to have that moment. You had that's kind of good that you had to do that it was fun you've had that haircut now I got to have that moment you had the pixie haircut

it was it was indigenerous you called it indigenerous but so we're on the slow grow up right now and I've learned don't go from black don't go from black to blonde in one night

you've never been blonde I wish I could go blonde man but I don't I'm too kind of are you naturally dark haired? yeah I'm kind of like a mousy grey naturally

like somewhere in between brown and blonde but I don't know I was very timid my whole life in terms of changing hair colour

I wanted to always be natural brown brown the way I was bangs long hair keep it safe and then I got my first like taste

of changing it up and going red I was like I want to try all the colours of the rainbow now and I think every couple years I get kind of itchy to just try something else um well I like the hair can I just can I just say I love call me maybe I think it's one of the best songs when did you

write it it was written over like a span of like at least a month it it's weird I didn't you would get how like songs feel pieced together sometimes like puzzle pieces and the bridge of the song came first the like uh before you came into my life was started as like a kind of folk song that i wrote at my uncle's yeah do you play then um guitar very very poorly but enough to like enough to write a massive hit of a bridge okay got it got it so and then um and then that was all I had was like a bridge before you again and it was a different melody at the time too and and then it morphed later on anyways um and then my guitarist and longtime collaborator Tabish Crow who I met when

we were just like babies babies babies touring Canada like soccer mom band style um him and I would always jam together at my house on tour on the bus and we were jamming one day in the living room and and doing that thing we just sing ideas out as they come and i sang out the chorus which at the time we thought was the pre for a different song so then he and he was like i think and i'm like is it too kitchen he's like i think it's good let's keep it and then we met josh ramsey through our label who's a producer and he he's like do you have any ideas what do you want to write today and I showed him both things and he felt like I think that's the chorus let's repeat that and he helped us kind of construct a song with like these little baby bits of ideas that we had and I think the

night before we recorded it I ended up coming up with like a different verse because I didn't like the one we had before. So it was all pieced together over time. But none of us were like, we have something special or this is going to like change our careers. We kind of were just like, this feels good. Let's see what happens. And then I think around the time, and this is where I have no ears for like radio or

have no perception of like what is good and what is going to work or whatever. I fought like tooth and nail to have like another different song from that category be the single and then it was just stopped you my family weirdly oh you see no you see that doesn't mean that you know carry on no actually i can i can distinctly, I ask a lot when I'm unsure about something, to my safe circle of people that I trust. They don't have an agenda. Yeah, who kind of just have your best intentions in mind

and aren't afraid to tell you some hard truth sort of thing. And I was certain it was going to be the song Curiosity. It was going to be the song. And then my aunt, when I played it for the group at a family dinner, she doesn't dance, but she kind of of got up and like jiggled a little bit. And that was like the aha moment of like, okay, let's start with this one first. I think that's enough people now that have like given me the heads up. I think my baby's been rocked to sleep by Alice, the producer.

He's just been shaken. I'm joking. No, he's fine. So more wine. Mum, can I have actually some water? Because I actually feel quite pissed now. Should we eat a bit? Yeah.

Because I feel like I'm going to go... Whilst Jessie's doing that. Right, Jessie used to ask, what was your death row supper? But I prefer to say, if you're going to be exiled to a desert island for another year, what would be your last meal that you'd eat before you went? I shouldn't say Rocco's Italian Market Sub Sandwich. Yeah, you can. With jalapeno chips in the middle so it's extra crunchy.

Oh, wow. Right? That's a weird answer. What else goes in the Sub Sandwich? It's just a regular Italian sub. It's got like your sal't know what they are salami salami cheese uh prosciutto prosciutto cheese subway yeah it's like a shit version yeah it's like the good version of subway and then i buy these jalapeno chips then i stuff them in the

middle with some crunch and i get a nice like old-fashioned root beer with you know in the bottle so that would be you're allowed a starter too oh god I know I went for like junk food okay my starter what would my starter be maybe escargot escargot do you like snails my mom and me used to go for escargot since I was like a little kid and the way she I think how you introduce food to kids is really important and she made it sound like this really special thing that was very adult and I wasn't gonna like and somehow that did the trick where it became like my favorite food ever because I wanted to be in the adult club and now I really love them yeah so does it have what is its protein then honestly all I taste is like chewy garlicky butter,

but I know that there's other things going on. I could even eat it, you know? Yeah. And then dessert. You've had the root beer, no wine. Okay. Well, for dessert, I'll have some wine. I'll have a little...

What would be your wine of choice? Dessert, I'm going to have some white wine, I think. Yeah. I'll have a little what would be your wine of choice? dessert I'm going to have some white wine I think if it was red I'd have Pinot Noir and if it's white I think I'll have Pinot Noir we don't drink it here really it's such an LA thing

to me it's just like the lightest of the reds do you like Whispering Angel? I don't know what that is it's a rose that they have in LA, and when it's hot, they sell out all over LA. Oh, my gosh. See, I gave you the ninth, and you gave me that.

I'm going to know that. Whispering Angel. Okay. Let me think. For dessert? Yeah. I would have... Ice cream.

I was going to say cheesecake. Cheesecake? Yeah. I used to be say cheesecake. Cheesecake? Yeah. I used to be a cheesecake pastry chef assistant back in the day. And even though I had... This girl's a foodie, Jess. Even though I had cheesecake every Friday, I still am not sick of it. I could really handle some good cheesecake.

Do you have a flavor of cheesecake? I like good old-fashioned New York cheesecake, and I like the strawberries. The baked cheesecake. Yes, the baked cheesecake. So do you have a flavour of cheesecake? I like good old-fashioned New York cheesecake and I like the strawberries. The baked cheesecake. Yes, the baked cheesecake. Yeah. How about you? Well, I do like

baked cheesecake, proper cheesecake. Do you remember when the Cheesecake Factory was really popular? That isn't proper cheesecake. I know it isn't, but we just was,

we were so excited because they had like 58 flavours of cheesecake. We did the same thing at this little cafe I used to work at. It was like throw blueberries in there. Yeah, there's just chocolate Oreo cheesecake. Yeah. Do you know, I don't like dessert that much.

You know, I don't like it as much as I used to. When I was a kid, there was like, I would do anything you asked if you gave me one M&M. But now it's. Yeah, I do like cheese, though. You eat cheese first before your meal, don't you? You have it as dessert. We have it as dessert with red wine. I'm always thrown by that on the planes

when they offer a cheese plate. I also think it's a weird dessert option to offer on flights because the amount of lactose intolerant people who are just saying whatever and eating that cheese plate, they do not help the stinky situation. No. Come on. They should not serve cheese on flights.

I don't think. I love that. What because it gives you bad wind? Oh I love the way you say bad wind. That's like the classiest way. You say flatulence. Well should we eat after this? I love the way you say bad wind. That's like the classiest way. You say flatulence. Oh, yeah. Well, should we eat after this?

Yeah. What? Help yourself. Yeah, it's a bit of a help yourself situation. Oh, wow. And I... You like your favorite potatoes. Oh, good.

I mean, they're a boiled potato, so I'm glad that that's going to float your boat because I'm sorry that I've been like trying... What? Do you want to do a very delicate, not dinner lady slice? No, I'm not doing it mum says that I um do it like a dinner lady you can cut it you worked in a cafe I love it we've got Carly just serving up sorry no no so have you do you think that you do you eat well when you're in London or not yeah you don't have to be polite I'm

gonna say I tried my first English breakfast this morning. How was that for you? I'm not sure about the black pudding. What is that about? Oh, I love it. Do you know what it is? I didn't even want to try it. I'm sorry.

It scared me. Do you know what it is? No. What is it? It's pig's blood. Oh, okay. Well, I made a good call. I think it's fantastic.

But the sausages. I want a really small bit, mom. The grilled tomato. You can do it. Oh, shit. You the sausages, the grilled tomato. You can do it. Oh, shit, you've already had grilled tomatoes today. I'm sorry. If you knew how many times I went to Rocco's Sub Sandwich, you'd realize I'm a girl about repetition.

Okay, fine, good. Perfect. Thank you. We still haven't talked about you being a gay icon. You kind of dodged that. Honestly, that's kind of been the gift of my career. I did not expect to have that come into my life. When did you realize it had come into your life?

We had been playing a few pride shows and things, and I'm definitely passionate about like any support I can give towards fighting the good fight of like love is love is love. Come on. Um, and I've had friends since childhood who've gone through some pretty severe experiences, um, that have enriched me enough to like make it a bit of a calling of mine. But I don't think we understood how lucky we were in landing in these like festivals of like if you've played a pride festival I haven't you have I really or or if you've gone to a pride festival there's absolutely nothing more joyful oh I have one

yeah no that it's amazing good music it's just like to be able to be invited to that even it's game changing it's life changing it's spiritual you kind of leave feeling like a new person so um all I can say is that I don't really know how it landed in our life that way but I'm very grateful for it I remember my brother text me from GAY and said you're on the karaoke box you've made it and I said brilliant he said running's on there that's it you've made it I said this is the best moment of my life. I think those are the moments, though. Absolutely.

I once was a Jeopardy question, and I was really stoked that, like, this is it. This is my peak, really. What was the Jeopardy question? Unfortunately, I think it involved one of my ex-boyfriends being like, who was the dater of this? Oh. Yeah, it kind of killed a bit of my flame.

That's annoying. No, I'll still take it, though. That's fine. This is really of my flame. That's annoying. No, I'll still take it though, that's fine. Mmm. Um, this is really good quiche. This is delicious. Mum, it's very creamy and delicious. I haven't gotten to the quiche yet, I've just been enjoying the potatoes.

Oh, just, I hope you like it. Mum, it's really good. You like it? This is, this can make the cut. Okay, darling. It's really good. It's creamy and delicious. Oh my god.

It's good, right? Honestly, it's like cheesecake quiche that's a compliment you combined my two favorite foods i'm so stoked it's very nice oh it's very delicious oh it's so nice wow i'm taking what your auntie does. Yeah, but hers is more like, hmmm. Everyone feels really uncomfortable. Do you like black pudding? I love black pudding. It was my craving when I was pregnant with my son.

Really? Yeah, it must have been the iron. Maybe I should have given it a go. You should have given it. I mean, as I tell my toddler, you can't say you don't like it until you've tried it. That's what I have to say. What did you say it's made of again? Pink's blood. I can say I don't like it. I've tried it. And that's what I have to say. What did you say it's made of again? Pink's blood.

I can say I don't like it. Pink's blood and oats. Fried up. I love it so much. Maybe tomorrow I'll be brave. I have one last stay in my bed and eat some breakfast sort of morning tomorrow here in London. So maybe I will try my first taste of it.

And where do you go next? Somewhere in Europe? New York next. Where's the boyfriend? He's in LA but you go next? Somewhere in Europe? New York next. Oh, okay. Where's the boyfriend? He's in LA, but he's going to be meeting me in New York. Of course. We get to do a show with Cyndi Lauper

when we're there, which is kind of amazing. Well, I can really hear Cyndi Lauper kind of influences on, especially on emotion, but like, is it, I'm sure you've spoken about this in interviews and I haven't seen it.

You love her? Yeah, I do. I don't know. I think and I haven't seen it. You love her? Yeah, I do. I don't know. I think if I had written Girls Just Wanna Have Fun today, I'd put it out without changing like any production. And I think when you can say that about a song that's lived as long as it has, there's really something to it.

I get to actually sing that song like with an orchestra, her at some sort of thing. Oh my God, amazing. I'm wearing like the whole like garb and everything though. I'm going to go full on like tutu and craziness. Why thing? Oh my God, amazing. I'm wearing like the whole like garb and everything though. I'm going to go full on like tutu and craziness. Why not? Oh my God, I love that. Yeah, it'll be fun.

But like, I feel like I Really Like You is basically, it's a kind of girls, in modern, girls want to have fun. Yeah, I think it is. That's very sweet. Why was Tom Hanks in the video? I'm a fan of absurd, like absurd sort of like twists and things. So I had an idea that I was going to ask Bill Murray I'm a fan of absurd sort of twists and things. So I had an idea that I was going to ask Bill Murray to be the star of it. Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

And everyone, you know when you have a wild idea and everyone's like, they're left with that. And I was like, just you wait. And they're like, he doesn't have a phone number even. He has like a hotline. So I got a hold of his hotline. And everyone was getting hyped now about the idea and they're like okay call him and give him your pitch and we'll see what happens we'll go from there and I did

and I called and I was expecting to leave a message on this hotline as you do but somehow stars aligned and he was waiting for like a taxi to call him and he picked up but I had not prepared for that moment so instead I go on to continue and say like hello and honestly I had not prepared for that moment. So instead I go on to continue and say like, hello. And honestly, I had written out what I was going to put in this message, but to actually talk to him in person, I had nothing planned. And I'd even prepped myself beforehand in my hotel room,

looking at his face, being like, he's a human being. Like he poops. It's okay. You can call him. It's fine. But sure enough,

as soon as he gets on the phone, I'm like, he's a God. Who am I talking to? And he was like, hello. It's like, hello. He's like, who's this? I'm like, it's Carly Rae Jepsen. He's like, and why are you calling? I'm like, I just called. I am a singer of pop music. And like, it just became like the most awkward conversation of all time. Did he listen to you? But eventually I got out what I was trying to say. and he was so receptive and sweet about it.

And he called back and was like, listen, like let's get a hold of me on this day with this time and we'll talk to Scoots and I'm down. So we called him back with Scoots involved now and like had a kind of a bit of a conference call and he wanted us to send him the full treatment. And in the middle of all this, Scooter was losing his mind because he's like, how did you pull this off?

Like what's happening? And he was at dinner. he's friends with Tom Hicks and was like telling Tom about it and I guess somehow between wine and then Tom was like I'll do it and we were like okay so I got the call around Christmas time and we were like I'm like what do we do but you know did you let Bill Murray down gently no I'm pretty sure he probably wasn't bothered one way or another I think I was he was probably just being nice to me and now somehow he had found this new this new star and there was something amazing about Tom Hanks who had never really been in any music videos before doing it yeah I spent the whole day just being like this is a weird dream he seems like such a lovely man

we have this program called Desert Island Discs and he talked about his childhood which was really quite complicated really yeah I think his dad um his mother kind of deserted him and I think he lived with his dad and then his dad got married a couple of times oh wow and I think he was left kind of disoriented not feeling anchored so he married very very young before he remarried his to rita to rita who seems like the nicest woman in the world who's proper greek there's a video of her celebrating greek easter so i think they're just like the loveliest couple and like a kind of i don't know an example of how to do it in hollywood if you're going to you know yeah it's no i really appreciate you

coming on and like taking a chance doing this having a quiche with us you don't even know us you don't know us thank you and like you came and you're probably

you're probably knackered honestly you guys have re-energized me good now you're gonna go and paint the town red I hope that I don't

have insomnia tonight oh god no it'll be good I appreciate it I really appreciate you having me here and it was so cool to see what you've got

going on my shithole no it's an absolute shithole set pit it's not Jessie and I'm sorry no

I nearly accidentally gave you the bloody baby's chair to sit in for a second because I forgot and there's wet wipes everywhere but no thank you for being patient

it's life and you're doing it well thank you so much but like good luck with the new record thank you oh god yeah it's kind of like.

It's all of a thing. Yeah. Are you touring with it? Have you announced touring? Yeah. We've announced like the start of it. But we have other places we want to go. Have you announced Europe?

Not yet. But we have plans. Are you going to do festivals in England? We're doing lots of festivals. Our first festival is in Barcelona. Oh, are you doing Primavera? Yeah. Have you done

it before no but the best festival ever i heard that amazing and the lineups are insane amazing i can't wait and i feel like everyone's gonna have such fun watching your show and listening to the new record and good luck with it are we going to be able to see the cindy lauper performance yeah where is it like i don't think it's taped um it's it's like a charter yeah and it's for music education but it'll just be it's just be get the boyfriend to record it i know i was actually thinking that i'm like even though they said it's illegal yeah just do that sound check i won't share just for me to tell myself just do sound check yeah that's a good idea have you met her before yes i got to inaugurate her into the songwriters hall of fame that's amazing it was amazing and was it amazing to meet your idol i actually had

met her weirdly in passing at a festival we both played in osaka um okay before any of this and we'd had like a cool enough interaction where i felt like not embarrassed to ask if i could be the presenter for her but um yeah yeah, I really loved her. I felt like she kind of is a little bit of a fantastical human where you're like, but that's what you want from Cindy Lauper. How old is she now? I don't exactly know. She can't be young, darling. I will say that in Osaka, this was famously known as the hottest festival in all of Japan. People pass out all the time. There's a lot going on to keep it safe.

This is my Cyndi Lauper experience. She walks out onto the stage. It's so hot that I'm looking for my most naked outfit to wear to survive, which I don't normally do, but I'm like, I'll wear a bra. I'll wear whatever. Cyndi comes out, and she's in a full leather, tights, everything, and I'm like, you're going to die.

You're going to die on stage. She does the first two songs and you can see it's getting to her, but this is how rockstar she is. She slowly takes off her jacket, wiggles down her tights, call somebody over who brings a towel, soaks it in cold water. So she's standing on that.

Then she calls somebody else over. She's talking to the talk back mic and they come and hold a sun umbrella over her. So now she's bare feet. She's taking off the boots. She's standing on the cold tower. She's got an umbrella. And she's still just like rocking it. And then she gets to go and just want to have fun. And she decides it's still not enough because it's fucking hot. She sits down. At some point, someone brought out an oxygen tank. And I'm not kidding you. It was this rock and roll. And that woman, God help me if she was not huffing girls just want to and I was like everybody bow down this is absolutely amazing if

I am doing that at any point in my life I will be so proud of myself but she rocked it and everyone honestly I wanted an oxygen tank out there I almost died and I was like yeah that's amazing. It was amazing. And this was all done through talkback. The come get it, come get it. Oh my God, that sounded good. But it was at the point of survival where people are also just accommodating

to be like, you must be dying. I'm over here dying myself. We were side stage, my van and I, just being like, this is amazing. Like, I love her so much. But she hammed it up in such a way that the whole crowd loved it and was with her and like so were we it just was like the coolest thing to see oh man oh god well we

could have you for hours and hours and I'm so glad that you wanted rosé and I'm so glad that we got to meet you and talk to you and and yeah good luck with the yeah thank you no are you nervous you always you make something and you don't want to care if people like it or not but you always do yeah of course they will oh don't worry thank you well cheers to that thank when we were saying goodbye at the end i went i really really hope that your album does well she went i thought you were going to do something else there she was brilliant she was so she didn't bloody remember me but i still forgive her she just she was really lovely really warm and but she looked like a proper pop star i know mom all

right give me a break darling take note she did look lovely and she was just fun and warm and energized and just nice really wasn't she really really oh no I've done it again really really really really really enjoyed that um but no it was I did as well and she ate the food and she gave us a few yeah she loved it darling mum that onion quiche is fun I keep on saying fantastic is it another level another level. That is going in the book. Yeah. Have we told people that we're doing a book? No.

That can go in our cookbook that we're doing. I know. Can you believe it, Mum? I can believe it, darling. It'll be published by Penguin. Okay, published by... Is it Penguin? It's Ebrie.

Ebrie. By Ottolenghi's publishers. Of course, darling. Are you having a laugh? Same stable, darling. It's a shame we can't put any of his bloody recipes in our book. No, we're so excited to be doing a recipe book. That's coming out.

Yeah, it's coming out. No, we don't know yet. On my special day. My special day. Our special day. Hopefully, we'll be coming out on Mother's Day next year. We'll see if I actually write it in time, because I've got about three more weeks to write it.

And wait for the book tour. I'll wait for the book tour. Oh, wait for the book tour. Oh, it's going to be a hoot. Yeah. It'll be bring your own. And yeah, it'll be fantastic. Oh, I've said fantastic again. What is wrong with me?

It must be a baby brain thing. I've never said fantastic in my life. It's my influence. No, you haven't been fantastic. I mean, no, the quiche was fantastic. Thank you so much for listening oh give us five stars yeah give us five stars

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