Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S8 Ep 7: Haim

Episode Date: November 20, 2019

I want to be a Haim sister.Feel lucky enough to have known these sublime women for a while. We have written songs together, eaten sushi, drunk hot chocolate, swapped doctor's details, celebrated birthdays, apologised to firemen...basically, every time you're with a Haim, it's a damn good memorable time.We treat them to their first home cooked meal in Blighty (of course with Lennie's medicinal chicken soup and Matzoh balls) and talk about being paid in matzoh balls, grapes in fruit salad, Bewitched, family, tacos and mum auditions to be the fourth member. It's Haim Time!!Table Manners is produced by Alice Williams Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with my happy, young, what did Trump say about Greta Thunberg? A sweet girl. Happy about the future. A happy sweet girl with a great future. I'm with my happy sweet mother who's really positive about the future of our podcast. Very. Please, over to you, Mum. Darling, what do you want me to say? I don't know, what do you want to say to your fans? Nothing, I'm really thrilled to be here. I'm very excited to meet Haim. L'chaim, I'm drinking, it's been a long week.

It's Wednesday, Jess. Oh, yeah. So, Haim are sisters that I met years and years ago who was so full of the most like charisma and character that I immediately wanted to be their friend. They're so cool and fun and have the best dance routines and talented and they make the best songs. Um, but actually they're just lovely Jewish girls from the from the valley mum what is on the menu this evening so i've made chicken soup with matzo balls because i think that is a prime currency with haim basically apparently they

did like their first gig and they were paid in matzo ball and chicken soup and it was for a jewish deli did you know that no i didn't know that yeah that is very funny I felt it across the uh Atlantic yeah well Jessie there's one thing I'd like to say I think I've cracked the matzo balls I think I've finally perfected the recipe well the proof will be in the eating but I think it is going well so what else have we got apart from soup we've got cheese soup and that's balls and we've got apricot chicken and then i've done tropical fruit salad and we've just got ice cream something that i really can't stand what fruit salads you've put grapes in it i only put them just for color i don't know whether other people have this issue but whenever you go and you get a fruit salad do

you agree with me alice no i can't bear apple. No, I can't bear apple. You're right. Alice, producer, you are right. Apple, pappy apple in fruit salad. I only did it for colour. I only did it for colour, darling, because it was the most yellow fruit salad I've ever seen. I did think about cutting up the watermelon

and putting it round the edges to make it look more appetising. Wow. Like a bit kind of tropical. A bit bake-off of you. A bit very bake-off. But I didn't because I'm too tired and I've had enough now. Finally, we get the Haim sisters, Esty, Alana and Danielle,

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Oh, well, fucking great. Amazing. And you're here now to promote the new record? We have a... Just some songs. Yeah, songs. Just some amazing songs. Yeah.

Just some are so good. Oh, thank you. Enough it. Thank you. Is that what the rest of the record's gonna feel like it's kind of all over the place all over the place we're not like honestly it's like kind of streamers consciousness like gorgeousness like laid back it was perfect thank you we're trying just to like release stuff and not think about it i think that's the way like it's interesting

like having musicians on this like everyone's attitude is so changing. And I think because of streaming as well. Totally. It's different now. Totally. And, like, your content. Mum, have you seen their videos on Instagram? I saw the video when they danced down the street.

Oh, yeah. That's my favourite. And I said to Jessie, why can't you do that? I'm like, why can't you just dance? No, no, I can't. No, and then Alana, I can't you just dance? No, no, I can't. No, and then Alana, I saw that it was you in the kids' picture, a video. Oh, my Bewitched video?

The Bewitched video. How old were you? I think I was like six or seven. Going for it. Oh, totally. I was honestly surprised at myself. When I saw that video, I was like, oh my gosh, was I a dancer?

Because I grew up thinking that I couldn't dance. Can we talk about pushy parents then? Who was like, I want to know whether your parents are as pushy as my mother. Well, Esi and Danielle. Jessica. Am I pushy? Sing out, Lois.

Yes, you are. Sing out, Gypsy. So, thank you, you're the only person that got that reference. Oh, are you kidding? Yes. Just Rosalie. Okay, thank you. Have a only person that got that reference oh are you kidding me okay thank you i'm an egg roll mr goldstone yeah come on and so like alana is in this pit in this video that they they like the girls post the best instagram but everyone follows them they've got millions of followers um but like the bewitched

video was phenomenal especially because i didn't realize bewitched reached oh yeah they were huge i don't even know i feel like that song was huge but i also yeah i don't know we just picked it out and we're like we love this song i don't mean it was really uh-uh would you say they've inspired the new record oh yeah 100 i didn't realize that it starts out with some people think i look like my dad yeah like that's so random i look like my dad oh are you serious it's like such a weird way to and also it's like really weird i love bewitched don't get me wrong i think that song is a masterpiece but when it says like we're sitting in a tree show me yours show me mine i'm like what what was i who wrote that i feel like i've looked it up because i was like can i get in the studio with whoever wrote this song this song is amazing what is happening what was it like growing up and

i mean i know a little bit about your family and like but you know growing up you're in the valley valley of the san fernando valley san fernando valley but i think with dancing and stuff i think honestly we were such rambunctious kids that I think my parents were like let's put them in dance so they tire themselves out

did you all do the dance oh yeah well I think that when like this hip hop class that I took I think I thought that I was gonna be in dance class

with Essie and Danielle but Essie at that point was like 14 or something I was like six or seven like there was no way like in my weird dreams I was like oh I'm gonna be in dance class with Essie at that point was like 14 or something. I was like 6 or 7. There was no way. In my weird dreams, I was like oh, I'm going to be in dance class with Essie and Danielle

and I think both of them were like, no you're not. And I took the kiddie class. Because we would basically do dances together at our house. We'd make up. You've always done that. You did shows. Shows for our parents, for our neighbors. Essie was like the choreographer. Essie would just choreograph things for me and danielle to do like there is

a crazy dance that we did to the friends theme song yeah no that's coming that's coming that's coming there's like a message no oh my god no there was a there was like a lot of clapping have your parents um documented oh yeah okay and then there was a camcorder was like glued to my desk yeah so when did like okay it was dancing first and then playing music second I feel like our parents were very into the arts

which I'm sure you were super into the arts yeah but like I wasn't like a dancer like you guys like I got like the main part in the musical because like I could sing it wasn't because dancer like you guys. I got the main part in the musical because I could sing. It wasn't because I could act or dance. It was like... Wait, what musicals were you in?

Guys and Dolls. She was Miss Adelaide. She was the best. Darling, people still talk about it in Dalek. We didn't, but didn't you do it? Why? Because I wore an inappropriate... Take back your mink. Take back your poils.

What makes you think that I was one of those poils? Were you Miss Adelaide? No, I just was a big fan. Um, well, and then- It is the best musical I've heard. It is the best musical. And I feel like- Crap!

And lots, lots of- Crap! That's all I remember from Adelaide. Lots of people don't't I know lots of people know about it but I feel like everyone talks about Wicked

and all these fucking media ones no like go back to fucking Gershwin go back to yeah they are resurrected

nearly every year in England I haven't seen Guys and Dolls in a while Guys and Dolls was with what's her name

Imelda Stork what's her name yeah mum like 20 years ago okay so okay it was kind of the arts everything was the arts but were your what's her name? Imelda Stork. What's her name? like 20 years ago. Okay. So, okay. It was kind of the arts.

Everything was the arts, but were your parents musical? A little bit. You were in a band with them. Yeah, we were in a band, but my mom is from Philly. She's from the East coast and she would just play like coffee shops.

Like her big, her like idol was like Joni Mitchell and also like John Baez and Bonnie Raitt like she played guitar and like kind of sang for fun wasn't like the guitar like club yeah she was like the like the head of the guitar club like she was like one of those hippie tall hippie like like god and this was in Philly or was it like high school college yeah um she moved to LA but her dream was like she wanted to pursue like some sort of musical career but her dad was like no you're gonna be a teacher and she was like okay yeah very compliant yeah but I think she always felt like she wasn't like um like supported

supported in that way so I think when we showed interest in anything like you know she's like you're gonna do it do it do it do it because her parents weren't that supportive so growing up in your family it was full of performances and uh choreographs and what was the food like at your house oh at my dinner every night every night that was like a thing that our parents were super like and no tv yeah no tv it was crazy like we talk about all the time like my mom worked so hard during the day and still made us dinner at night like i don't even know how my mom's super i can't even feed myself i'm like honestly i haven't made it was a priority that's why yeah i think it's so crazy like literally every night there was not one night

that we didn't have dinner i mean there'd be nights where sometimes we'd get like take out take out and like obviously rarely though to be honest my mom had her signature dish her signature bakes okay's your mom's name? Donna. Donna. Donna Rose. Donna. Donna Rose. The funny thing is, when my parents first started dating, my mom made it a point to cook for my dad all the time. And my dad said, it was like, slowly but surely, I started to realize the only thing she really ever made was eggplant parmesan.

You know what the secret to her eggplant parmesan is salting salting the eggplant to get the water get the water out of it fry the eggplants yes you see but a lot of oil people a lot of oil we didn't say this was a health food yeah no but you can now griddle them oh right and you don't have to fry them right but they are definitely better because otherwise they don't cook they're slightly raw if you don't yeah if you don't have to fry them so much But they are definitely better Because otherwise they don't cook They're slightly raw if you don't fry them So what was another bake of hers She made

The most insane brisket Really good brisket And I mean I know we're having Maltes ball soup tonight But my mum makes it amazing I mean I feel like every Jewish mum makes an amazing Maltes ball soup It's going to be interesting

I mean you're going to have to be polite because you're here. But it will be interesting to see how it compares. Mom's very happy with her fluffy balls tonight. They might not be the luckiest. I don't mind a hard ball. I love it. I don't mind a hard ball. I've never met a matzo ball I didn't like.

Never met a ball I didn't like. Never met a ball I didn't like. Exactly. I love a ball. Mom also made really good sweet and sour meatballs that's true yeah sweet and sour meat with meat and that's from the old country with beef are you kosher no no okay well if our dad's listening we are we are kosher if you're listening we are very kosher we've never had shellfish. We've never had anything other than kosher meat.

The thing that you have to give way on is parma ham or sarana ham and prawns. That's a thing. I know. I literally. And crab cakes. Soft shell crab. But I mean. I'm sorry.

We're going all over. I know. But Esty, you're a vegan now. But I'm a vegan now. But that. You haven't always been vegan, no? No, no, no, no. Because we went out for sushi in LA.

I know. We took you to Hama. I loved that place. That place harma i loved that that was good yeah it's like a downtown downtown why you were a veggie now so vegan a vegan so i'm a type 1 diabetic so i have to with with food i have to be a little more stringent carbs and things not even the carbs it's weird i do like high carb but low fat so i talk about being from la um i they've worked this out for you basically yeah it's just animal protein is really hard on your kidneys yeah and i have kidney problems from the diabetes so it's such bad luck when were you diagnosed i was 14. 80s so it's such bad luck when were you diagnosed i was 14 i know i was really i see the trooper though yeah i got some stuff i want to do kind of the oldest and the tallest so did you did you

get enough attention do you think esty i mean i think i still get the most attention yeah um no i think that in a weird way and not to get too philosophical early on, but I weirdly feel like I was given it for a reason, if that makes any sense. No, no, no. As in like to raise awareness for it. Like I was given it so that I could help other people that have it. Okay. That's a very good philosophy.

Do you know what I mean? And you do quite a lot for charity and awareness. And awareness. And I do stuff with um chalk the children's hospital orange county and um the jdrf the juvenile diabetes right and um there's also uh there's like a bunch of la companies that do stuff with diabetes and i try to do as much like outreach especially with women that have type 1 diabetes. I remember when you played Glastonbury. Oh, yeah.

You just won, I think, the sounds poll for BBC. Everyone wanted a piece of you. You were ready to give everyone a piece of you because it was exciting and you kind of, you love, you're Anglophiles, aren't you? Oh, yeah, totally. And the UK was kind of what launched you. Yeah, totally.

Nobody gave a shit about us in America. Honestly, except for our parents. No, because you supported Taylor Swift. But that was later. After. In the beginning, in the very beginning. I mean, this is big time. But so, so back to Glastonbury.

So I remember they were doing, I mean, they were doing, I think you had like something crazy, like five shows or something. It was like, yes, we'll do that. We'll do that stage. And you were doing the pyramid stage. Yeah. and this was like your first glastonbury yeah totally yeah and you had a fucking nightmare i had a full-blown low blood sugar i forgot to eat but i'd already taken insulin so it's like taking the medication without the car basically i my blood sugar just got really really really low and i could feel my eyes fluttering into the back of my head and i've had a seizure before in high school so i know what

it feels like so your blood sugar gets that low your brain stops working and you have a seizure are you trained in this well so so basically singing and playing we were like singing we just we had just finished a song and like usually me and Esty, cause Danielle, I love you, but you don't talk. Usually me and Esty have like a good little like banter. Abbott and Costello. I like throw it up Esty's bike today and all of a sudden I like started talking and I was like, so Esty, what do you think about today?

And then it was just, she was gone. And I was like, where did you go? Like she had just walked off stage and I was like, I thought that she had just was, had overcome, like she had, it was overwhelming, like overwhelming where she was going to go have like a cry or something. Like I was like, oh, she needs a moment. Like everything is just so overwhelming. And I looked over and I was like, bitch, it's Glastonbury.

Get it together. Like stop crying. There's no crying at Glastonbury. Cause I didn't know what was going on. I thought she literally was just like, I'm'm emotional like i need to go have a moment and then finally i saw her she had gone off stage and she was just lying on the floor shit but we were on stage like it was like our time we're being like broadcasted on television so like b and d i'm like i don't know what to do and like everyone's like just say just say she's fine she's fine she's fine so what did you do i

don't even remember we were like a bloop boop, boop, boo, doot, doot. I busted out my Bewitched dance. I was like, nobody. But after, I think after like five minutes, you got like a candy bar in you and you were fine. I got chocolate put in the side of my mouth. Yeah, because you couldn't even get to. I was like, I'm done.

But then once I came to, they were like, what do you want to do? And I was like, you know that scene in Cool Runnings, you know, when they wipe out and the guy's like, Samka, you're dead, man. And they take the bobsled and they walk across the finish line, like even though they're dying. I was like, I'm going to finish this gig because I felt like I had to. But it was really scary because I with your base i was like i'm gonna i'm gonna finish this gig because i felt like i had to but it was really scary because i do remember what it was like to have

a seizure it's not it's really really terrifying and low blood sugar in general is really scary you feel like you're gonna literally you feel like you're gonna die so to have that on the main stage yeah i was like and also it was like also like I had just said like, my life will never get better than this. Like not but five minutes before that. And then I feel like someone else was just like, well, you're right. You're right. You're right. You might be right.

So it might be your time to go. Shouldn't you always carry chocolate around? I do. I do. But you know what the thing is, is like. A glass and burry. It's like such a. It's overwhelming.

And also like. I feel like nothing with us just like in every day there'll be days when i'll have eaten the chocolate the day before and i will forget to put another one in my purse and then i'll be in my car and i'll start shaking and i'm like okay well and then i'll fuddle around in my my little with chachkalas i'm like where's my stuff and then i'll be like oh I ate the sour patch kids yesterday and then I and then if it's in traffic it's like a whole cafe I've broken her I mean now there's like new technology where like her blood yeah the thing on my yeah now so she didn't

have that before yeah yeah you have well I still have the pump but like I still have the pump that the pump doesn't check your blood sugar this checks my blood sugar every five minutes that gets that's not no it's not by honest you don't need to be charged as soon as to be charged now her blood sugar gets sent to my phone so i can see where i no matter where i am in the world yes it's great. It's crazy. Technology. Technology is great. It's 2019, yeah. So yeah, it makes it a lot easier.

But I think with food, I think, I mean, it was for like ethical reasons also. Because I didn't really eat red meat or like chicken or anything. If anything, I would have fish once in a while. So the choice to go vegan was pretty easy. I'm in LA, I guess. It's quite easy to be a vegan, huh? Yeah. How's London treating you? London's great.

We miss it. I get all my boyfriends from here. I forgot about that! You love a Brit! I love a Brit. As did you, Danielle. Not anymore, obviously. As did you, Estee. We all obviously. As did you, Esther.

As did I. We all had British, like, flings, for sure. No, I love a Brit. We both had a bit of a crappy time in music. Where we were, I remember you came out to my house in Dalston and we were just like this is a bit shit It feels much better now for you guys. Yeah for me. Yeah, I mean, how did you change things like what needed to change? I think it wasn't even really a change

I think that you all I think after our first record and after our second record i think you just get so burnt out because it's like a constant like hamster wheel of like you tour you come home for like a day and then you like are like kind of instead of like being able to just be like oh i want to create you're like then something changes and you're like you're being forced to create and then there's things that like come into it where you're like, I don't fucking know. Like there's times you just throw up your hands. You're like, I don't fucking know. Like what, what the fuck is going on? And so much has changed in music in the past couple of years. And a lot of it is good. Some of it's bad. A lot of it is good. And I think there's a point where i think anyone you get run down like

you get really run down and for us at least like we're such workaholics that like we'll keep going until literally someone's like you need to stop i didn't think that we ever realized that it took such a toll on us like i mean before our first record two weeks before our first tour my best friend passed away like and i didn't have time to mourn because it was like i gotta go work and in a weird like twist of events like even though if i was home i could have mourned that started to get so dark randomly but um it was actually kind of a good thing because i could like kind of run away from it but you don't realize like shit like that happens and when you're like when work makes it

so easy for you to run away from a bunch of shit that you don't want to deal with and i think that when we came off of our second record we finally like took a moment to be like like decompress and like go through everything that had happened in the past like from 2012 to fucking 2018 and it catches up with you you can't really run away for that for that long you can run away for like i mean you're not supposed to run away period like it was really just like and even though like it was hard the thing is it's like i felt like it was honestly very natural like it wasn't like a thing that was unnatural i think it was just like we're human and it was something that just needed to happen and I think

with the new music that's coming out I think it's like the most proud I've ever been of our music I've always been really excited to put out music but this this time around I'm like very much excited because it honestly does feel like the most raw and I feel like we don't really give a fuck about anything anymore we're like I feel like you get so controlling over everything that happens. And like, it's, I always make the metaphor of like, it's like when you're snuggling a puppy and like,

you just want to snuggle it so hard. And then you're like, but if you snuggle it too hard, then the puppy suffocates and dies. And I feel like that's what we were kind of doing. We were like, so just like, Oh,

like we want everything to be perfect. And this is what we think needs to happen and then in those cases and you start doubting yourself and i think with this i think it's like so freeing to just be like we like this let's put it out i mean danielle when we were putting out summer girl was in italy like we've never put a song not together like danielle's like i'm out like i need to go on vacation I'm going to Italy and me and Esty were in LA and like we called her like the minute that it came out and we were like

it's out and she was like cool I'm about to get on a Vespa I'll see you in a bit and that was it and it was really and it really is just they're young women darling they're not old people what are you saying mum that you have to balance well I think my time out was by getting pregnant

but I didn't fucking get the time out because you don't when you're a fucking kid which honestly I have so many questions I know

we have so many questions about that I know what you want one yeah we want all of them I want a lot I want a lot

oh my god it'd be so amazing though for you to go touring with your kids I know but then you don't have the thing of like go to auntie You're like fuck off I'm playing the bass Go to auntie

My parents are like so Will they go with you? My parents come with me now the thing is like my parents are so funny Like they're at The age now where they like want to retire And they're like I was having a conversation with my mom The other day and she was just like we're just gonna Follow you guys on tour and I was like oh oh you are okay well oh okay so

do i are you guys gonna come on the bus like what's going on okay funny i've had this one before mom darling no you want to go to the fabulous places yeah oh same with our parents same with our parents same the worst place i've been to is coachella. Oh. It's their favorite place. Coachella is hard. No, it's not. It used to be their favorite place. It used to be. First of all, I didn't understand why they had balaclavas on. Because of the dust.

And you couldn't see their faces. Until you had a chest infection. Actually, when I blew my nose, I realized why. Because it was like dust. Oh, yeah. You sneeze. In your ears, in your nose, in your everywhere. It's so hot.

It's so hot. It's hotter than hell it really my parents came to both coachellas that we've that we've played and then our pop-up came our grandpa r.i.p our grandpa came to our first coachella and we got him like a couch and he sat on the side of the stage and he hadn't even really been keeping up with anything that we were doing so i think he was like honestly super confused like i kept on looking over thinking he'd be like super into it and he was just insanely confused like wait he was like you wait they know you and i was like yeah pop up they know me and they're like yeah he was like but how do they listen to your music i'm like oh it's online

pop up and he's like it's online but where where do you find it online how do you when i was like on itunes he was like itunes what is itunes i I'm like pop up Joe we can't get into this right now this is years and years of technology that I have to get into should we have some food now I wonder now Esty we have like bless you you were like I'll eat before no no no no okay I can't do that so we've either got we've got you can wait for the main because it's not just chicken soup and matzo balls. I knew they'd be like that.

I think they would have, anyway, we've got chicken with apricots after. Oh my God. We're in it. I don't want to keep you up too much but actually you're kind of, you're on,

you're on LA time now. I'll eat everything. Now we're on. But we could either, I'm just going to heat up, I hope this is okay. What? We've got miso portobello

mushrooms with quinoa and rice and then with like um sesame kale and like a dressing and yada yada but i kind of want to make it taste as nice as possible so i want to put the mushrooms in the oven for a bit if that's okay whatever whatever you guys want do you mind if we have a bit of soup uh potentially whilst you're waiting oh my god mind if we have a bit of soup potentially whilst you wait? Do it. Oh my God, absolutely. I'm so excited. You know, soup is my favorite thing to eat.

Do you want to open a soup restaurant? My dream is to open a soup restaurant. I used to think that people that like soup were quite dull people. Because it's the same taste over and over again. But it's not whatever. There's so many different soups. What do you mean?

You're opening up a can of worms for the meal right now. No, no, no. I'm interested by this because I feel like you and Sam, you know my Sam, would get on quite well because he wants to open a porridge. Oh, there you have it.

And I feel like that's the same kind of world. If you're into soup, you're into pork. Absolutely. I don't really like oatmeal. You know what? I'm an Aquarius and I didn't know this until recently, but apparently we're always cold.

Aquarius is always cold. Like not cold, like personality. No. I don't think I'm pretty warm. Warm-hearted, absolutely. I think I'm pretty warm. But I'm always cold. Like even in LA, like when it's hot, I'm just like always wanting something hot.

Like it's very weird. Okay. So it's like nourishing for you. Exactly. It makes me feel warm. So do you make soup? Yes. So what's your Danielle's soup?

I like a lot of lentil soup. So easy. Cause you just kind of like whip it up and it's super easy. Chicken soup, mushroom soup. Yeah. Okay. You can really make anything in the soup. Yeah.

I feel like this is implying that you're quite a dull person, Danielle, and I know that you're not, so I really want you to zhuzh this soup up a little bit. But by the way, mushroom soup and lentil soup is not rock and roll, Danielle. Totally. But when you put a little vinegar in the lentil soup.

Now we're cooking. No, but here's the thing. I wouldn't want to have like a sit down restaurant, honestly. I don't know if I should be sharing my I'm giving away my secrets I'm a I'll do two

I'm a one I'm a one ball Have you done the carrots with it mom Oh I love that Wow Look how pristine these balls are. I will have to say, I'm going to go on record to say that I have never had a home-cooked meal in England.

Yeah. I have never. This is my first home-cooked meal. This is such a treat. Thank you so much. This looks amazing. I wish that my mom was here. I need to know your secrets because this broth looks delicious.

Who taught you how to make matzo balls? My mom. Where's your mom from? Well, she became Jewish to marry my dad. Oh, really? Yeah. But she used to speak in Yiddish. No way.

I promise you, she converted. She Magaya'd to marry my father. Wow. And she ended up in a Jewish old home and spoke Yiddish to people. This is really good chicken soupiddish to people it's really good very very very amazing I mean very this is very good I don't know it's the soup gonna solve let me tell you the soup Queen rates it an A plus I mean

what's the secret it just took ages to work out the exact amount of matsumio i'm sure i know you gotta do the most baking powder which they use in america but they don't use here it makes it fluffy yeah so it makes it lighter and it was just working out 100 grams of matsumio with three eggs and some baking powder and then it worked wait but what about the broth though because that's really right so this was like probably four kilos of chicken i couldn't get a kosher chicken last night it's okay so it was just ordinary chicken it was chicken thighs and chicken drumsticks okay and then i just boiled it for four hours with a whole whole I bring it to the boil skim off all the horrible scum yes so in there is about probably ten carrots okay five onions five onions in

there skin I heard about this because it gives it the broth a good color exactly and I also put half a swede in just a a swede. What's a swede? I don't know. What's a swede? A turnip. A turnip, yeah. Our mom does that too. Just for sweetness. Yes. And then I just boiled it and boiled it and then I strained it all today and it's turned out, I think. So good. And then I also add a little bit of this consomme mix. We've got osim or telma. Telma, I was going to say. Telma or osim. I put probably four tablespoons in.

That's the real thing. Who is the best cook out of you three? Danielle, by far. You're a great cook. Danielle, by far. Out of everyone, I'm so bad at cooking. I actually have a fear of cooking chicken I cannot cook chicken I like my biggest fear is because I love entertaining

like I love having people over at my house I love having barbecues I love doing all that so how do you do it comes to the cooking thing I've like found I could not cook in an oven like I literally have a fear of my oven you have a fear of salmonella I have a fear of making people sick like my even when I make like a big I've made like maybe two meals in my life and and you made people sick no I've never made anybody I've never made anybody sick but every time I make it like I call my friends like once an hour to be like are you okay is your body fine and they're always like yeah, I'm fine relax But I I can't do but I I can cook on a grill. I don't know why but you're like George Foreman

Yeah, I'd like I love it No I like I got once I got a barbecue because when I moved into my rental house a couple years ago One of my first things I bought was a barbecue. I don't know why I loved having barbie. I'm an adult I'll buy a barbecue. I bought one of those like the ones that look like a spaceship what is it a web the egg oh i love the webber the eggs are good right that's too complicated that looks very it looks super complicated i was just like i want to put coals in a thing light it and then not worry about it and set it and forget it. And I can cook literally anything on a grill,

but I cannot cook it in an oven. And the one time I cooked chicken kebab on the grill, I have a meat thermometer. And I literally... You're very neurotic about that. I literally put the meat thermometer in every little piece of chicken. That's very thorough.

Because I'm so terrified. And the thing is, Estee and Dionne are both like, you're insane. It's fine if you just'm so terrified and the thing is like esty and diana both like you're insane like it's fine like if you like just cook it and it's fine like it's really easy to cook a chicken i'm like i literally am so traumatized so i've like never gotten over my fear i don't know why i just have it's not like i've ever gotten sick from salmonella or anything i don't know like the videos from my biology class when they show you like this is what salmonella looks like i mean it puts you off it's some weird like

maybe past life past life vibe though yeah do you see how they they all back each other it's so amazing but you think if i was in a band with my sister honestly we'd be on separate tour buses you do get on very well you get on so well it's it's like your best friends and i know you really are but like you really but they don't live it they work together mom and they respect each other so much maybe we need to take a page out maybe yeah but we're living together i know yeah oh no we don't live together and also people like the things we did live together for a while i think the thing is like when we say that we don't live together people honestly are like what you don't live together like how could you i I'm like, I'm

27 years old. Like, I'm living with my sisters. I think people think we live in, like, bunk beds. Like, I go, like, nightly yell. Like, hey, hey, hey. Danielle. No, no. Like, that's how we wake up and, like, we brush each other's teeth

in the morning. It's like, no. We live in... The thing is, it's like, we do get on, but we are human. Like, they do drive me insane half the time. Darling, do you want to put the spinach on? Or do you want me to do it? I would love you to do it because I'm scared I'm going to do it wrong. You like spinach.

Do you hear that? She fooled me a bit. Wait, what is the spinach? I need to know all the recipes, by the way. No, no, it's literally, I think she's going to microwave it in a fucking microwave. Oh, I love it. She's literally microwaving the spinach in the microwave.

I love it. It is not fancy. I'm in. No, no, it's, it's, this is cutting corners, shall we say. I love it. Do you think you've got good table manners? No.

I feel like you really do. My elbows are on the table. That's fine. I don't think that's a bad thing. In America, that's table manners. Yeah, I know, but I've never... The thing is, my parents were never really sticklers about elbows on the table. I think we have okay table manners.

I don't talk with my mouth full. I have a really big problem with that. Oh, do you? Yeah, I talk with my mouth full all the time. Okay, what's your worst table manner in other people then? What you can't stand when you go out? Oh, people like on their phone. Yeah.

Okay. Right? No, I don't. Honestly, I don't mind the phone out. That's fine. Well, no, I always have. It's just on the phone. Like if you're literally in a conversation and they just can't be, they're just like

on their phone. Okay. I got a double. Yeah, go on. When someone takes their phone out at the dinner table because they have something in their teeth oh you don't like that well when they pick it out yeah and then they eat it oh never had that one yesterday yeah yeah would you prefer them to discard it of it on a set like on like a napkin no like or you or fucking flick it away i don't

know but like don't but not in someone's house. Does that happen at all? I have, maybe I just have friends that were raised in barns. I don't know. I would totally do that. I think I have all three hives. I have the worst hairline. I burp all the time.

Oh, yeah, you do. It's really bad. And Danielle's boyfriend hates it. Yeah. Like, by far. Like, I'll always always I always feel like better out than in that's my voice and he'll always like I'll like burp very loud and he'll be like what are you doing but he's like a brother to us now yeah well not to me Mum and I disagree on what we call it last supper, death row meal, desert island meal,

top, like starter main, pud, dessert, I mean, and a drink of choice. Oh. Wait, so starter? Starter. Appetizer, whatever you call it. Okay, I would start So hard I mean I love guacamole

But I don't know Is that a starter? Yeah Fine The thing is My whole meal is gonna be Mexican food themed So that's fine

Like Where's your guacamole That you love from? I always go to like The taco trucks Yeah That like are outside Of my house

Okay But And they do good guac Yeah I mean In LA We're really spoiled like yes i think avocados grow there literally grow on trees yeah literally grow yes and yeah no i've

always been obsessed with avocados and guacamoles i feel like i would start with guacamole my main would definitely be tacos i love kind of filling what would be the filling um i like all kinds of i've recently been very much into potato tacos which is like i don't i've never had them oh my god i didn't really know i didn't really know that there was like a thing like actually danielle was into potato tacos before i was but there's this place in la called home state and they're these sisters that are from texas yeah and breakfast tacos are, a really big thing in Texas. And they brought them to L.A. And they have, like, the most incredible potato taco.

Oh, my gosh. This is too much. That's awesome. Oh, my God. This is insane. Rosemary with the potato? What is happening right now? Just simple.

Simple. So, yeah. So, I love tacos. But there's also, like, again right now? Just simple. Simple. So yeah, so I love tacos but there's also like, again, taco trucks in LA or in the end, there's a taco truck

that's right by my house called Taco Zone. I think it's like $2 a taco and we've been going there since we were like, 12. And I was in high school. Yeah,

like I was, Esty would take me there when she was in high school. I was like super into it. They have the best tacos. Did you move to the area for Taco Zone? I honestly subconsciously probably did. Because it was walking distance from my house.

And then for my pud. I love that you're using pud. I know. Well fit. For my pud, I'm like so big it's like i feel like i'm just so basic but like i am obsessed with like chocolate cake with vanilla ice cream yeah but like that's fair so like that is like really like really like moist chocolate cake like something like that really like i know it's such a funny old word because it gives so much but then it also I know

it takes away it takes away but it gives it's the best and worst word ever I know it really is the best and worst word ever

so where would you get your chocolate cake thanks babe I make actually the one thing that I will say is that out of all three sisters I'm the best baker

you love baking like I would love to be on the I hate baking I love baking because it literally takes no thought. Like everything is spelled out for you. But if you like to improvise, such as me and Danielle.

I don't like to improvise. I hate improvising. It's like math. You've got your thermometer, you're like. I literally am like, I have my thermometer. I will follow this recipe to a T. And if I follow it to a T, it'll come out the way that I want it to come out. Oh my god, so good. Does it taste nice? We're all burning the roots of our mouth.

So this is chicken supreme with apricots and apricot chutney and rosemary roast potatoes and spinach that you can just put in the microwave. It probably takes away all the nutrition but it was quick. This is so good. So, okay. So we've had Alana's last meal. Okay. Danielle, let's go. All right. No, I'm not going to go soup. I feel really embarrassed that I haven't talked about it.

I really like soup too. I was being a count. Okay. My app, appy, would be starter my starter would be I'm a huge like chicken liver like pate like don't even

we were gonna do chicken liver and mum defrosted the wrong meat and we thought we had livers in the freezer I'm so sorry

chicken livers yeah we were gonna do chicken liver oh sorry I'm a big no don't even yeah I'll be volume 2 next time

yeah absolutely you can come back I'm a big like chopped liver fan like, chopped liver fan. Like a chopped liver mousse, maybe? Mousse, like, with the cracker, with, like, with the toast. Do you do great egg on yours? Yes.

Okay, see, I remember we had Loyal Karner over. You know the rapper? He's amazing. We're a rapper, wordsmith, hip hop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Charming. Came over and it was, we did a hanukkah theme thing which kind of did we did latkes and it was just like sprying but we offered him chicken liver

it's a bold move it's a bold move he looked really petrified he ate it but he didn't have to say chopped liver it sounds revolting no i love it i'm obsessed with that i love chocolate and you have to put the schmaltz in it you have to put schmaltz. No, I love it. I'm obsessed with it. I love chocolate. And you have to put the schmaltz in it. You have to put schmaltz in it because it tastes so much better with it. That was like any type of like celebration, whether it was like a birthday or like a graduation or like a Mother's Day, Father's Day. Like we would always get like the deli platter, like with like all the different meats, deli platter, like cheese platter with like all the cold cuts. And then there'd be like a huge

mountain of chopped liver um starters starters chopped liver i think my main dish would be vongole you're not the first really it might be the last that's very interesting and that's a bad bad for a kosher ex-kosher girl but it's my favorite pasta is there somewhere that you get it that you adore oh okay i think she's been to italy i've been to italy yeah it has to be in italy i think when i had my bongolea do you have parmesan do you like it i do me too honestly right no really they don't even serve it. They look at you like you're dirt. Cheese and shellfish is a no-no. But it's so much better.

But it's so good. So, okay, so that's your main. Yes. And then probably, I'm a big ice cream person. Okay, perfect. Yeah. I'm a big ice cream person. Me too.

I mean, there's so many good places in LA. There's one place called McConnell's that's actually from Santa Barbara. And they're, like, expanding. So now they're opening all around LA. There's one place called McConnell's that's actually from Santa Barbara and they're like expanding. So now they're opening all around LA and it's just, it's truly the best ice cream. It's like literally a hundred percent fat. Yeah. It's funny.

So I got, I've got ice cream, but I got a vegan ice cream. Oh, like a vegan? No. Like a vegan soy one. Because I felt like that was we were already being antisocial Swedish glace and all the from a juice

because it's milk after meat so you can't have milk after meat and then Esty would yours be all vegan now or would you think you'd go back to a time when there was brisket in your heart if this was in a vacuum. Yeah, and you, like, diabetes.

Diabetes would get off the table. Off the table, what would be your... Okay, well, that was a whole other ballgame. Okay. Okay, for my appetizer. Yes. I would eat, like, a burrata. Like a filthy, disgusting, huge ball of chewy, gooey burrata.

With what? With huge ass tomatoes. Yeah. Like big, big. Can you get good tomatoes in LA? Yeah, you can. No, they're pretty good. At Farmer's Market.

Farmer's Market. But you know the tomatoes I'm talking about? The ones in the country. Yeah, like the really, really ones. With like a really good olive oil and basil and salt and cracked pepper in a bowl. Got it. That I would immerse my face in and motorboat and slurp up. Right.

Then, okay, for my main, I'd probably have to go with pasta also. It's a toss-up between pasta and pizza. I feel like that's like the big... Oh, have both. Come on. Okay, both. Margarita. Margarita. I would do a margarita with like big mushrooms. And?

I would do like a pumpkin gnocchi. It's like pumpkin gnocchi. Or ravioli. Ravioli. They have it that place. With sage? Yes! And the sage butter. Cheese. Okay, cool.

And then pudding. And then pudding. You know what I would do? What? I would get, there's a place called Diddy Reese in LA. And it's two cookies, ice cream in the middle, sandwich. Okay.

The thing that was amazing about Diddy Reese, because you went to UCLA. I went to UCLA. And it was in the village. A dollar. It was a dollar. For an ice cream sandwich. For an ice cream sandwich. And it was a huge, they've raised their prices. It was like 50 cents. But it was crazy because you literally could get the best ice cream.

But for a student, when I'm studying and it's like 3 in the morning and I'm like, I have 70 tests and there's a bottle of Drano next to my bed because I kind of want to die. And then I would go into DeReece and just get like five of them and devour it. Also, the coolest thing is you could pick what cookie you want. Right. And what ice cream you want and they would make it for you. Oh my God. Yeah. It's just like homemade. we need to open one there you go we do not need that in our life right now that would actually do pretty well here i feel like do you all play an instrument

yes how many instruments um it kind of for me like various i mean we started on drums yeah my dad plays drums and we always have like a drum kit in our house so we started we all started off on drums and then we moved on to piano because like i feel like i feel like as a parent you're told like make sure your kids play piano like my parents were like very much like some teacher was like it would be great for their you know brain health development so we all started on then we started on piano and then i think we all individually like kind of just like i had so much energy though the thought of like sitting at like a piano where like i couldn't move and practicing like just did not so then it was wasn't one of the things so then

well danielle and sc both moved on pretty quickly like sc went to bass danielle went to guitar and i like stayed on piano because i really wanted to be different as the baby of the family I was like I'm gonna be different I'm gonna stay and do piano and then I like would see them running around with their instruments and I'd be like hold on let me go get my piano it's like a thousand pounds so I was like oh no I think I want to move to guitar so I moved to guitar but then I like circled back to piano in high school when I could actually like appreciate it. And then we all kind of play percussion. We all, Danielle plays the drums on all of our records.

It's like a, it's a whole thing. But yeah, no, we all play instruments. But like, did you ever have the conversation where you're like, like, if I take the bass and I said it, we could actually make like the fucking band. No, there was never, I think the thing is like well there was a point where i i was like a senior in high school esty was about to go to ucla and i was like do i go to college what do i do i really want to do music and all of my friends were going to school for either theater like because we went to a like an arts high school and there

was a moment where I was like do I try to go to college to learn about music or do I just kind of stay in LA and just try to actually like do it and at that point I was like all right let's just like should we make our own band and we were all like yeah let's like try it and so I like stayed home got a job and went to community college and we just started playing anywhere. We can get a gig. And that's what we did for like seven years. And then there's a story of you getting paid in Matzah Ball. Yeah.

Yeah. Matzah Ball too. Our first gig. Oh, is it Cantor's? At Cantor's. But that was before. That was with Rock and Hunt. Yeah.

We played there. Yeah. We played in Kibbitz room. Because there was Matzah and waitresses. Yes. Basically. But we like, I mean, I think it's like Cantor's like. What did you play?. You played there? Yeah, we played. Because it was Kibbitz Room. Back in the day, waitresses. Yes. Basically, yeah. But we, I mean, I think it's like, Cantor's like.

What did you play? We played, there's this bar off of the main Cantor's called the Kibbitz Room. The Kibbitz Room. The Kibbitz Room. Basically, all of our, like, I had a guitar teacher, Bill Wiseman,

who was amazing. Esty had a bass teacher named Lou. And they were best friends. They were best friends. And they had a band. And every Monday night, they'd play the Kibbitzitz room and they'd get paid in lots of all suit, but they were just so excited to play. They just, they were the best. They just like love playing music. And that was like the, the funnest thing for them was just to like jam at the kibitz room. And when we had our like family

band, when we would like just kind of play on the weekends and my dad would like, basically, I think dad really just wanted us to like not get into trouble so he's like on the weekends we have to rehearse you know so i told you how i thought every every family had a band growing up but did your parents ever play with you like the sound of music yeah we had a family band it was a clean yes but they but they turn saying yeah it was a fleet with mac, it was like a lot of eagles It was a lot of eagles and Santana Things that people don't actually really like Oh, yeah

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Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Oh, yeah. Come on. We did black magic woman. You would all Santana evil ways. Evil ways. You got to change your evil ways. Oh, mom, baby. Before I stop loving you, you got to change your baby. Not many people of your age. these songs. Oh, we knew it all. I was singing Evil Ways when I was like five.

Like I was like, I knew it. You should have seen I missed the boat with that one. You should have joined our band. I mean, wow, mom. Yeah, maybe you could be just like, the boat is still here from the Happy Mondays. You'd just be there kind of fucking dancing with the tambourine. Yeah, exactly.

Oh my God, that's brilliant. Do you ever reunite? I mean, sometimes. They also come to like the fun cities the fun cities on tour and we've played with them like on stage yeah we played radio city in new york and like before the gig uh my parents were like okay so when when do we come on and i was like excuse me and they're like when when's our time when when should we be ready and i was like you're not coming on and then we went on stage and it was kind of like this like huge momentous occasion that we all kind

of like looked at each other like should we have mom and dad come up and we i on the talk back mic which is like a mic that you can speak to everybody on stage but no no one in the audience can hear i like asked i was like hey can someone find my parents like we want them to come play and literally i'm not they literally i don't know what but by the time i was like can someone find my parents like we want them to come play and literally i'm not they literally i don't know what but by the time i was like can someone find my pet my mom was like on the side of stage like me me me me me she was like warming up being like like stretching being like here i go and i was like oh okay and that's amazing and they came what did you say mustang sally we do like a roaring rendition of Mustang Sally. That's our like

ultimate Rock and Hime. Yeah. Peak of Rock and Hime but my mom like What does she do? She sings Lee. She sings Lee. It becomes

Donna and Himes. It literally becomes Donna and Himes. Like I'm not on stage. Literally my mom when my mom comes on stage with us literally all she sees

is like a spotlight and fog and lasers that just spell out Donna Rose. Cause she got the gravelly voice. she sees is like a spotlight and fog and lasers that just spell out dawn rose like she got the gravelly voice my mom is like a beast when it comes to oh yeah she's really good it really does and my dad gets on drugs and you're like here we go we go

you know yeah no we're like, honestly, like we turn into like, like we were like kids again. Like we turn into like backup singers. Jessie, do you think we should have sung? You guys should. Oh my God. You should bring your mom on stage.

You should bring your mom on stage. Yeah, Jessie says you can't put grapes in fruit salad. I feel really funny about grapes in fruit salad. Danielle agrees with it. I'm so classy. I don't want to. fruit salad. I feel really funny about grapes in fruit salad. Danielle agrees a bit. I'm so happy. I don't want to. Thank you. I don't want to feel bad for you.

I agree. I said to her, why have you done that? That's weird. But then Alice, producer Alice said that the worst is when they put apple in. Yeah, no apple. With pappy apple. No apple. So you're not a big blueberry person either in a fruit salad.

Because they go a bit sad. Exactly. Well, mum, all I'm saying is don blueberry person either in a fruit salad. Exactly. Well, mum, all I'm saying is don't you... Is this mango though? This is mango. It's unpopular as mango. It's like a plum or like an apricot. Something.

It's a nectarine maybe? What's this? That's nectarine. No. But that's shit nectarine, Teresa. But then we put ginger in it. Ginger, stem ginger. Oh, yeah.

It's a little bit of that. Love, love, love. Before you go, we'd like to give you our fabulous tea it. Stem ginger. It's a little bit of that. I love love. Before you go, we'd like to give you our fabulous tea towel. I love this. I love this. A little leopard print goes along there. It does. It does.

Haim, Alana, Danielle and Esty, you've been fantastic. Probably the best guests ever. Stop. Don't you say that every time. Not really. And listen, we don't invite everyone back. But honestly, when I heard you guys were doing a matzo ball soup, I knew that you guys did it with Mark Ronson, and I got a little.

Oh, yeah. He helped himself to the bloody saucepan. He had two helpings. Three helpings. Oh, my God. We do it for all the Jews. Is that? Okay. They needed some. I'm glad that we god we do it for all the Jews is that honestly

I'm glad that we got to do it too because multiple soups are a favourite thing I don't want you to leave I'd love you to stay here I'd love us to have a sleepover

I'd love us to have a baby can we carry on singing I love seeing you can we carry on singing darling to take us out I don't know which song

you're going to do next yeah let's just do one what are you going to do you pick one why don't you pick oh I don't know Santana and're going to do next. Yeah, let's just do one. What are you going to do? You pick one. What do you pick? Oh, I don't know. Santana and Fleetwood Mac. All of them.

Whichever one you want. Can you hear me calling? Out your name. You know that I'm falling and I don't know what to say. Come on, baby. You better make a start. You better make it soon before you break my heart. Take it there.

Oh, oh. You better make it soon before you break my heart. Oh, I want to be with you everywhere. Oh, I want to be with you everywhere. I want to be with you everywhere. Wow! Hi! Mum? Yes darling? Didn't I tell you you were going to love them? Not only did they like my food... They really liked your food.

They said I was like their mum, which is a real... That's really positive. I have heard you sing Mustang Sally as well. Oh, yeah. The commitments used to be on loop. On loop. But, yeah, I love those girls. I don't get to see them enough.

They're so charismatic and bright and brilliant and talented. And warm. And warm. And they had seconds. Yep. And they're just nice Jewish girls. So thank you, Haim, so, so much. Best of luck.

Yeah, I don't think they need luck. With everything. They're brilliant, aren't they? Yep. And on that note, I'm sleep training my son, so I'm going to go to bed now. Night, night. And hope for the best.

Thank you for listening. The music you've heard on Table Manners is by Peter Duffy and Pete Fraser. Table Manners is produced by Alice Williams.