Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S9 Ep 24: Jake Bugg

Episode Date: July 15, 2020

From Pot Noodles to Nobu, this week’s guest is our kind of guy! Hugely successful singer, songwriter Jake Bugg tells us about his musical journey so far; being signed at 17, touring with Noel Gallagher, Karaoke in Japan & being the theme tune for BBC TV Series Happy Valley (but he hasn't even seen it yet). We talk plenty drinks and school 'lunches' back home sneaking a quick beer before maths lessons! Despite choosing sorbet over ice-cream, Jake was a wonderful guest. Go and check out his new single Rabbit Hole which is out now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to TableLabs. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with my mum on Zoom. Hi mum. Darling, I'm so proud of you. Thank you. Not only number three that you went into the UK charts, but you've been chosen as the best album in the first half of 2020 by USA Today. It's just coming up roses, isn't it? I am absolutely zonked. I feel like I've been learning a dance routine from my music video. I have been in latex today with my stylist. Wow.

I tell you what, anyone who has a fetish, a latex fetish, is a mad person because that effort of putting that shit on is mad. And it also cuts the circulation off to your toes. But darling, I think the people with the fetish

aren't the people who like wearing it. They like people in it. So you'll be turning on a lot of people, darling, in your video if you've got latex on. I don't know. I asked Sam to zip me up. I just don't understand how it's sexy to get it off in this situation. You don't take it off.

I don't know. But we needed two people to help us to do it. So my stylist is doing it and I was doing it. And I said, babe, do you fancy a bit of this? And he said, absolutely not. It's really not my thing. So I'd like to know from the table manners listeners whether latex is your thing. Darling. No, I don't know. I'm interested to see why people Table Manners listeners whether latex is your thing. Darling!

No, I don't know. I'm interested to see why people like it. You can be a non. I'll just stick to the marigolds. You stick to the marigolds. My neighbour is called Lady Marigold because she wears marigolds all the time. Maybe she likes a bit of a latex. Maybe I'll throw over some socks. Clearly she does.

over some socks. Clearly she does. Anyway, so today we have a British singer, songwriter, star, still so young. Well, I thought he was only about 12 or 15. No, mum, he's 26. So what, did you think that he put out Lightning Bolt when he was about five? No, I thought he was a teenager. I do love that song. So yeah, we have Jake Bug on, who has new music coming out, had a new song called Rabbit Hole out, is kind of a big deal. Jake Bug, it's lovely to meet you. How are you? I'm okay, thank you. Where are you, Jake? Where am I? I'm in West London. I live in Kensington now. Oh, fancy schmancy. How lovely.

Yeah, it's nice round here. It's gorgeous. So you exercise in Kensington Gardens or Holland Park? I was playing tennis in Holland Park, yeah it's it's been getting very busy now and so i tend to avoid it but i'm gonna go play somewhere else this week so it'd be good to get some exercise are you a tennis player i'm i'm terrible no i'm more of a football player but it just keeps me fit and trying to keep busy really jesse's just started playing tennis so you can have a game it's probably beat me to be honest oh god no apparently i'm too aggressive well you are darling but which team do you support for football nottingham nottingham forest no no the other one not not notts county yeah my granddad was a fan

so um kind of stems from that really so i heard that you they used to wear your name yeah on the t-shirt yeah i sponsored them um last season it was just for a few months or whatever but I read it in the paper that they were looking for like sponsorships for a month or whatever and I thought it'd be a cool thing to do so yeah I put my name forward but a lot's changed in the club since I did that you know we've got new owners and everything now and we're not professional anymore but hopefully things are on the up now where did you grow up I grew up on a council estate in Nottingham. It's, I believe for a while,

it was the biggest council estate in Europe for a long time. It's like 30, 40,000 people on one estate. It's just the same house built for rows and rows and miles. And it doesn't look too bad, but once you spend enough time there, it's just like a lot of places in Britain, really. Are you one of a big family? I have a younger sister, yeah.

But yeah, I have a lot of relatives on both sides, big families, because my mother's a Kennedy, so we have a lot of Kennedys on the estate and stuff as well. So quite a big family, yeah. So it's a bit like the Kennedys in America. They have a big estate there. Yeah, it's a bit like the kennedys in america they have a big estate there yeah it's a bit very different estate i think so growing up in nottingham what was a really memorable meal for you when you were growing up and who was cooking the food to be honest it was my mom cooked she

looked after us and um she still cooks it every time i go back now but it's the spaghetti bolognese like um but the way she does it it's it's probably not the authentic italian way but it's um it's your mother's you know cooking so it's always going to be pretty good so does she have any special things that she puts in i don't know she does it right by uh you know she lets it cook for a while with the sauce and which is uh which is what you should do but i'd rather rather not know the secret, to be honest. I'd rather just... Can you cook, Jake? I've been having a go. I'm not a great cook, but I do like to try when I can. I like to make my own pasta.

Like if I'm going to do an Italian dish, I'll try and do my own pasta. Wow! The actual pasta you'll make? Yeah, with the egg and the flour and then put it through the machine and get it out, which is quite nice to do. But like, do you ever have enough? I'm just like, because it's such a faff it seems i've never made it but it looks very therapeutic like it sounds quite nice to make it but then i don't know i'd always be worried that i wouldn't make enough because i'm a greedy cow well that's the thing it's like i'll

only do it if like someone's coming over and i want to cook if it's just for myself then i'll you know i'll sat the packet stuff but i feel like when I spent I like to spend like three hours doing the sauce or whatever and I think if you if you're going to spend that long doing it you might as well put the effort in to do the pasta as well so and it's and it is really good when it's fresh like that so do you do you live on your own I do yeah and so how's lockdown been for you was it quite lonely did were you able to go and stay with anybody and kind of be in a bubble with them? I guess it has been pretty lonely, I guess. But, you know, I'm used to traveling a lot with, you know, a group of people.

And if one thing that, you know, as you probably know, you don't get a lot of time to yourself, really. So it's nice to to have that and, you know, reflect on it. And, you know, you have music. when you have music yeah it'll keep you busy for a while so have you been writing a lot during lockdown yeah absolutely I've been I can't say too much but I've been working on a little project for uh for music for a documentary so that's been keeping me busy and it's a totally different experience and uh it's nice to be able to do some more score like music without having to hear my voice back on everything so it's pretty nice I just have to say that your song is one of on one of my favorite programs and I associate you just with Happy Valley oh really yeah because it's such a memorable song and it so captures the

atmosphere of that place and it just is such a brilliant song and bravo for doing that. Did you write it specially for that? No, I didn't, no. It was one of the first songs I'd written after I'd been signed, so I was probably about 17. Crikey. I remember a lot of people coming and telling me, going, oh, I love that song off Happy Valley. And to be honest, I had no idea it was even used on the show

until people told me. Have you watched it now? I haven't watched it, but I've heard good things. So I'm going to... Jake, you need to do it. I've got no excuse. I know I've got loads of time, haven't I? It's so...

It's the best. It's the best TV series. But also, your song is so central to that programme. It sets the whole atmosphere for the programme from the beginning. You've got to watch it. I'll definitely have to watch it i'll definitely have to watch it yeah i've probably been busy making bloody pasta hasn't it i'll skip the beginning but then i'll watch it no you should watch how it fits in so do you like doing scores

uh i've enjoyed doing this yeah it's it's it's a completely different thing and you know i'm a i'm a big fan of um bizarrely like quite a lot of like the And, you know, I'm a big fan of, bizarrely, like quite a lot of like the 70s, you know, synth electronic music and stuff. Like I'm a big Vangelis fan and Jean-Michel Jarre and things like that. So it's nice just to try and have a go at doing something a little bit different to what I'm used to.

And it's more atmospheric and you can be a lot darker with the chord changes and stuff. And yeah, it's just a lot of fun for me and kind of different. So you must come from a musical family or a musical person. I do, yeah. My mum and dad were both singers, but they kind of did a lot of 80s kind of more pop stuff, which is when I grew up, because they did music,

I really just didn't want to do it. I didn't want to touch it. I didn't want to be anywhere near it. But then it kind of grabbed me when I was about 12 or 13 so I couldn't really help it but you can play the piano and read music I can't read music no and I can play the piano a little bit so when you use the keyboard is it just from sound yeah I mean I'm not a great piano player or anything but I just used to a few years ago I just started sitting down with the guitar and the piano and just trying to figure out the chords and get my beer in so I can get around it but I'm not great so Jake when you're composing what do you do just play and then record it and who transposes that

into musical notes well to be honest um I'll just start with a melody that's how I like to start sometimes I've tried to start with lyrics in the past but it can be a lot difficult to build around that so I'll start with a melody and because I can't read music or anything I just have to use my ears and go with my my instincts and um and some songs they'll come in five ten minutes you can have them finished and some songs might take a little while to really craft and build to a place you want them to be. Jessie blames me for not making her learn the piano and to read music because she feels that it would have been hugely helpful for her. Did you ever have music lessons?

I didn't have any music lessons, no. I think it all depends. I think now maybe I'm at a stage where maybe I feel music theory or something would benefit me, but I felt like just starting out and developing my craft, I'm not sure if it was necessary for me, but for a lot of people it's very different of how you want to approach music.

If you want to be a classical musician, then of course getting a teacher and everything would be important, but if you just want to rock out on a few chords like I probably do, then you don't need it. But guitar's your main instrument. Yeah. Any memorable meals from your time in Shangri-La working with the legend that's Rick Rubin to be honest uh not any like memorable meals I guess because it's quite remote out there isn't it so and and Rick could

have his own little guy bringing him his own whatever special meal that he'd had for that day when um and his guys you know we'd order from the from the mexican place down the road but they did a good burger weirdly oh really yeah that was probably a you're not spoiled for choice out there but there is um there is a great smoothie place there as well actually which was really good and kind of what you need do you feel like you've had um like i mean where's been your favorite place to eat you know you've toured so much and where's your favorite place to eat one of my favorite restaurants is in LA is um Matsuhisa which is um Nobu's restaurant which is really good and um that's amazing and sometimes you just see him in there just serving like lunch or whatever I remember having a beer there enjoying a meal and he just bumped into me and he was like

sorry I was like it's it's honestly fine mate and uh so it's great there they do a great typical english abroad um they do a good fish and chips in there but it's like little tempura fish with like little half-cut small potatoes with this great malt vinegar it's brilliant in nobu yeah the matzo hisa one yeah on on la siena yeah jake did you tour with oasis i toured with noel gallagher in in north america yeah like years ago mom oasis he probably wasn't even born by tour with oasis i toured with noel gallagher in in north america yeah like years ago mom oasis he probably wasn't even born by like when oasis were together when did they split up like a while ago mom like in the 90s i think i don't think it was a noise i think it was like maybe 2008 or somewhere around there okay fine not like not like i'm a fan or anything you were

born but you weren't on tour drinking beers were you a fan of Oasis growing up yeah definitely like um you know I think just like growing up where I did and you know my cousins were in bands all through you know the 90s and things so uh yeah it definitely had a impact on me growing up it's just a lot of people I knew listened to it so including my mum she she had my mum was younger than me when that what's the story morning glory came out so she had original copy of it so she gave me that when yeah so it's funny so your mum's very young yeah she's uh oh my 20 yeah so she'll be 47 yeah she's pretty young for a moment oh my god my daughter my children are nearly that age

all right mom Come on now. Come on. Yeah. Jake, did you have school dinners or packed lunch at school? I had, yeah, I was a packed lunch guy through primary school. But then at secondary school, we used to go home for our dinners, like for lunch, because I only live around the corner. So, you know, it was super noodles and pot noodles or whatever it was. I love pot noodles.

Yeah, I love super noodles. Well, I have this idea that my daughter will do that if she goes to the school nearby here. And I love the idea. Did you quite like going home at lunchtime? Did you ever go back to school after yeah sometimes quite hard yeah I probably shouldn't say but I'd have a crafty beer as well to be honest and then I'd go back into maths why it was anyway it made it more enjoyable it was boring to me so that's amazing so what was on your front of your lunchbox I think when I was a kid it was wrestling yeah I think it was wrestling when I was a kid.

Were you really into wrestling? But I remember there was a kid that had the same lunchbox as me and you'd put them all in a box and you'd collect your lunchbox at lunchtime and I'd go on to grab mine and the kid had ate my lunch because he thought it was his lunchbox. He was a bit annoyed. Cheeky little shit. Look, it happened in Bing the other day.

Me and my daughter were watching episode of bing and it happened to them it could happen to any one of us who did you love from wrestling because my friend felix who i don't know if you know felix he was in the maccabees felix white and he's an amazing artist and um but anyway we went to school together um but he was obsessed with wrestling and he got us all into watching like in the middle of the night, kind of a, what's it? WrestleMania, all of it.

And the rock when it was like when the rock and we were obsessed, it was so entertaining. It was. Yeah. Back in, back in that day, like I remember it was like the undertaker and sting and, uh,

you know, too cool. Jesse, what does the rock say? I'm not going to do this now in front of her. Please. The rock says this, jabroni. Why don't you take a tall glass?

Shut up, Jules. Anyway, don't worry about it. Take a tall glass. Do you remember that one? Yeah, I do. Now you're going to say it. Yeah, I remember it. So you have a cheeky beer and go back to school.

Love that. What did you... I want to know what's on your rider. Do you have anything fancy on your rider? No, nothing fancy. Or homely? No, not really. No know what's on your rider. Do you have anything fancy on your rider? No, nothing fancy. Or homely? No, not really. No, nothing fancy on the rider.

Usually a pack of cigarettes and just a load of beer, to be honest. It's not adventurous. I know it's really, it sounds really bad, doesn't it? But, you know, what's a band supposed to do? How many are in your band? Four, including me. We used to be a trio, then um uh we got a new member which my good friend uh jamal um edwards oh jamal i love it yeah his cousin we were without having a beer one night and i told him i was looking for a for a keyboard

player and he was like oh my cousin plays keyboards i was like oh yeah i bet he does yeah so we got him right down for the audition and he was he was just amazing he was brilliant he grew up playing in the church and everything and he's he's great he's an amazing musician oh that's so nice Jamal is like one of the nicest people I know isn't he yeah he's like special diamond person um I wanted to know you know you you grew up in Nottingham yeah and there's such a kind of creative hub of people there you've had Shane Meadows direct one of your music videos I believe and I've got a friend Joe Dempsey who's from that area and there's like you know there's like lots and loads of actors I feel like I know a lot of actors from there but like did you ever kind of mix with were you ever going to kind of any of the drama schools

or anything like that doing any of that stuff or you've solely music um I was I was solely music to be honest but it's funny at school when I was at school I did win an award for drama but to be honest I just yeah but I just it wasn't you know it's one from your school it's not this it's probably because I was the only one willing to partake you know one else did so it was a but um it was a lot of fun but no I didn't I got signed when I was 17 so I didn't really like you know I left the estate and that was that I didn't even get a chance to enjoy any of the bars or anything in my hometown so it would have been something I'm sure would have been enjoyable but probably not for me so what happens to a 17 year old that gets signed yeah moves to London I presume maybe like you leave your place, you haven't finished school,

you leave and you're not getting your mum's spaghetti bolognese all the time. What are you living off? What were you living off? Were you kind of like, you know, you get that advance and, you know, we all kind of go a little crackers on the first album. But, like, did you indulge? No, not really. The first thing I did, I bought indulge? No, not really. The first thing I did, I bought my mother's house,

which is the first thing you want to do. So I did that. And then I bought a guitar. And then it was traveling around the world from there, really. And it didn't stop. I didn't even move anywhere. I probably lived on the road for a good four or five years. But it was amazing. It was a years. So, but it was amazing.

It was a lot of work, but it was definitely worth it. I wouldn't change it. How are you finding Kensington? Like, is it, I mean, cause I don't know that many young people that live in Kensington and I wonder like what it's like. Do you enjoy that? Do you feel like you can be quite- Gorgeous, Jess.

No, I know it's gorgeous, but like, do you feel like you can be quite anonymous there? Yeah, I mean, you know, I know that probably places like East London and things like that are probably more trendy and happening for younger people but you know because I grew up on a council estate and we didn't have very much that you know when I wake up I want to wake up and see nature outside my front door I want to see nice beautiful houses and things so yeah and I love that it's a lot older around here it's like people just leave

you alone and it's and the the local pubs are great and full of characters as well. I like it around here. It's very quiet. Can I be very cheeky, Jake? Do you have a girlfriend? I don't at the minute, no. Oh, God, no wonder you're having to cook the pasta on your own, darling. He said he's doing fresh pasta when people come round.

That's not for your mate who you're going to have beers with. Maybe it is. No, it definitely is because I want to test the cooking out on them before I kill anyone else. We can introduce you, Jake. We've got a whole plethora of girls that we could introduce you to. Mum, you sound like a madame. I'm just a pushy Jewish mum.

Jake, what's your kind of desert island meal with a starter a main a pud and a drink of choice what if i went out somewhere and i wanted to eat it's like your dream dinner okay um like as a starter that's a tough one like the obvious one would be to say soup but i feel like it's not the best because you just end up filling up on the bread so it's not for me forget it you're you're you have a bottomless pit so don't be like sensible with this like you know just go for it ideally a restaurant start with a nice cold bottle of crack a nice bottle of white white wine and then uh i don't know like um like a nice fish cake to start sometimes like something that's really nice and light when it has a bit of the dill mayonnaise

on the side and it's a bit of rocket underneath or whatever they do is there anywhere that you've had that that you really love oh not specifically no it's i find it's like kind of more general but it's a nice place to start i think for me it's okay yeah i like that i like trying to think special special main courses that i've had i mean you know over every my favorite dish probably ever is a lasagna but that's standard is it because your mom used to make lasagna like do you I feel like it's kind of like the spaghetti bolognese thing I think it's more like why I'd have it over the spaghetti bolognese it's just because of that extra bacon that they do oh yeah and the bechamel sauce yeah and when it crisps up when the pasta crisps crisps up, it's really, I like that. Oh, yeah. Actually, there isn't anything like a good lasagna, Jess.

No. I remember it was what I asked for when I came back from going travelling, didn't I? I was like, that was like, I said, mum, can we have lasagna? But so, okay. So it's a fish cake for starters, lasagna for main. Are we changing drinks? Because I feel like you said we were starting with a white wine, but I feel like are you going on to heavier stuff?

Are you sticking with the white? No, to be honest, I would have probably started with a couple of beers and then had the wine when the food comes more like, sorry. So, yeah, we would be moving on to something heavier, I suppose. I love it. Jake Bugg's priorities are like the drinks as well. I like that. Do you like red drinks as well. I like that. Do you like red wine as well? I do like red wine. Yeah. The red wine would probably be more suited for the lasagna, to

be honest, rather than the wine. Yeah, you're right. I went to Corsica many years ago and went to this small village and one of the best meals I had and the guy just bring a big plate of fish out that they'd caught that day and you choose the one you wanted and they just serve it with a bit of mashed potato or potato gratin and some olive oil but i remember this particular night that um there was a thunderstorm and all the power had gone out but they still opened and they just had a load of candles and you could smoke in there and they just had all this beautiful fresh food out stunning so i'd also a nice fresh piece of grilled fish you can't be that's lovely but

dessert do you like pudding i'm not a big pudding guy i don't go for it very often very rarely are you that person that says that but then you'll be like oh god and then when they give you the extra spoon you'll be like fine i'll just have a little taste yeah i'll have a little taste and then one taste will turn into three tastes sometimes yeah what about ice cream i like i prefer a sorbet oh just to clean the palate i don't trust people that like a sorbet over ice cream i don't trust you people i like ice cream i like snickers ice creams they're great me too they're great they are oh i've forgotten about sick as ice creams i'm telling you jake a really good trick if you don't

fancy like a full-on snickers ice cream even though i could always fancy one i do medjool dates and you cut them in half so they're like the really sticky dates yeah and then put a load of peanut butter in the middle so you're almost making like a hot dog out of the medjool dates stick them in the freezer two hours later it's like a little mini uh snickers that sounds great no it isn't jesse is it not the same it is there's no chocolate on it it's wicked and it's healthy and it's good for you so you can have loads but you may have the shits after about five yeah that's good so no i do like a nice um i like a bit of cheesecake but i had a great cake the other day i ordered

from an italian restaurant it was it had like ricotta, but it had like pistachio. It was, yeah, it was really light and delicate. And it was totally, you know, I'll have just, I'll have one bite. And then I just ate the whole thing. So, well. Do you sing karaoke ever? This year I had a go, but I was in Japan, where I'm safe. I don't think I could get away with singing it anywhere else, to be honest.

What did you sing? Oh, what did I sing? I think I sung a bit of Nielsen, Without You, in fact. Obviously not hitting those notes. This is after a lot of beers. Wow, ambitious. I like that. You can change the key.

So it came down quite a few. Can you do that everywhere? Or is that Japan are just like far more advanced about karaoke? Yeah, I couldn't believe it when you could change the key, to be honest. It's pretty cool. That's amazing. I've never heard of that. I really don't like karaoke because I just kind of feel funny about it. but I feel like in Japan you've just got to do it and yeah so what

were you touring there um no I just went for a bit of for a holiday because my drummer moved here actually so I went I go over to visit some and I love Japan so uh it's just it's just a great different it's probably a you know as far away from planet earth without go getting off planet earth you can go and it's just completely different everyone's polite and really nice so um you've been working with steve mack yeah who is just lovely he is super sweet yeah so what was it like working with steve mack steve mack is a songwriter huge songwriter who's written huge huge songs with people lovely wonderful guy has been working for a while in the industry what was it like working with him it was great I mean as you say he's a super nice guy you know I think the important thing in any

situation is to make you know the artist feel comfortable and I think he's really good at that and for me it's a it's a great experience because in the past when I was younger I've kind of always you know turned my nose up a little bit at bit at a lot of pop music and things like that. But as I've gotten older, I've become more open minded. And something I wanted to achieve with this record was to start working with people more in the pop world and to try and make my sound a little more modern in production and things. So working with Steve was a different experience for me, but one that I really enjoyed it was nice to see somebody working in that way because I like to think my music and what I do leans to something more traditional and he kind of just brings it in back into into the fold and um and yeah it's funny because it was really in and out we would only write for like three or four hours record it

and then you know I was thinking probably the same as you I don't think that went very well and then we get the song back and we're like, oh, wow, yeah, it's pretty good. I've heard the songs. I heard the songs, Jake. They're really frigging good. Oh, thank you. He was so proud to play them to me as well. It was like he was so excited about these songs

and they haven't come out yet, have they? No, but I think the next one I release will be one of them that I did with Steve, yeah. What's that one called? Can you say? It's called All I Need. Okay, I release will be the one that I did, one of them that I did with Steve, yeah. What's that one called? Can you say? It's called All I Need. Okay. I heard two and they were amazing.

But would you describe yourself as more rock and roll then? No, not necessarily. I think it's a bit... Is rock and roll an old-fashioned word? No, it's just a bit of a large look, isn't it? If, like, someone goes, what music do you... I'm like, oh, rock and roll music. Fucking rock and roll.

Yeah, exactly. It's a little bit large. No, I like to draw influences from from all sorts I grew up listening to a lot of old blues music from the 30s and the 40s and I love a lot of country music so I just try and take a bit of everything and in this record I'm trying to add I can see the country in it yeah like um you know my granddad grew up listening to uh you know Johnny Cash and all those Chris Christopherson and all those guys so uh you know I love cash and all those chris christopherson and all those guys so uh you know i love all kinds of music now to be honest definitely uh become more

open-minded to the more modern pop music but some of it's still not great darling have you seen your mum and dad since that there's been an easing of the restrictions yet i haven't no um i did think about it i know i've got to go see them at some point I don't know I'm being quite Precautious really I don't really know what the best Thing is to do but you can't not see Your parents as well can you so Have you had a haircut yet Not being rude or anything

No no I haven't as you can tell Have you had a go yourself with that fringe No absolutely not I know it's Probably doesn't look great but Trust me it'd be a lot worse if I had to go with it. It would be. That's what they were saying on the radio today, that the people, the hairdressers, are saying that the problem's been people having to go at their fringes.

I actually, I learned that mistake very early on. In fact, I actually ended up doing it when I was younger. And when I went home for lunch, I thought it would be a good idea to cut my fringe. Was that after the beer, before the beer? And then I've come back and my mates have absolutely ripped me. Rightly so, it was shocking as well. Jake, do you think you've got good table manners? I like to think so.

I don't like to um I don't like to eat until everybody else has their food try not to have my elbows on the table and things I like I like to think so but you know I didn't grow up in a in an environment where it was kind of you know necessary or anything so I could be being rude the whole time and I have no idea so I don't know. I don't think you're a rude person I think you're a really lovely person you're incredibly polite you're so polite and lovely I wanted to know how's your mum taken to you becoming an international star I mean she must be so proud I'm sure but how she found it she found it bizarre um I don't know I think um yeah she's very happy of course um it's kind of what I always wanted to do growing think, yeah, she's very happy, of course.

It's kind of what I always wanted to do growing up. So, you know, she kind of knew I had that dream, but I think, you know, making it happen is a different thing. And it's nice. Yeah, she's proud, but sometimes, you know, a little too proud when I go home and me and my mates are trying to have a beer and, you know, she likes to talk about, you know, what I'm up to a lot or whatever. Oh, I'm the the same i have to follow

jesse on instagram otherwise i don't know where she is she can't be bothered yeah honestly my mum knows more than me she'll tell me oh did you see that thing that so-and-so wrote about yeah that's what us mums do and sometimes she'd be like don't worry about what what so-and-so said i was like what what do you mean don't worry? And you didn't know what they'd said. And now I'm worried. Jake, it's been so lovely to chat to you. And yeah, just good luck with the record. I really encourage putting music out during lockdown.

I feel like it was the best. People really like it. So good luck with it all. And yeah, I hope that you get to see your parents soon. And I hope you get to, I don't know, get your hair cut. Well, I think you look fantastic with your hair but it's been a real pleasure and if you'd have come to our my house I'd have made you lasagna that sounds fantastic yeah so maybe we'll have to have a rematch and we'll do lasagna now and take it over i know i feel like lots of people want to look after Jake, but do you think it's very sweet? I don't know.

He's not kind of a ridiculously talented. Yeah. So talented and so lovely. Really enjoyed talking to him. Jesse, did you know Jake bought his parents a house? Noted mum. Just saying.

Thank you, Jake bug. If you want to listen to Jake's new single, it's called rabbit hole and it's really, really good. Thank you, Jake Barg. If you want to listen to Jake's new single, it's called Rabbit Hole and it's really, really good. Thank you for listening. And if you do have any latex fetishes that I should understand more, please educate me and email me.

I'd really like to understand it. I just imagine you're in a wetsuit. I looked a little bit like Free Willy. Free Willy? Shamu. I had to get lube on me. It was the least sexy thing in the world. You basically, like my stylist handed me lube

and I had to lube my arm up. I was like, this is... Jessie, it must sweat. I will be sweating tomorrow. And you'll smell. Okay, yeah, cool. Well, everyone, when you watch the new video, you'll think about my mum saying,

you probably were a bit smelly when I was doing that sexy, provocative dance. The music you've heard on Table Manners is by Peter Duffy and Pete Fraser. Table Manners is produced by Alice Williams.