Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S9 Ep 7: Riz Ahmed

Episode Date: March 18, 2020

It was our biggest delight to cook a Monday vegetarian risotto for one of this country's absolute treasures, actor, musician and all round excellent person, Riz Ahmed (even if he then did tell us he had chicken for lunch). We elbow bump and discuss growing up in London, school, PPE at Oxford, his mum's Nihari being on his last supper, Naughty Boy being a good cook and Asma Khan's Darjeeling Express being one of his favourite London restaurants. I want to know everything about his break up album with Britain 'The Long Goodbye' and the incredibly powerful short film (shout out Aneil Karia) and despite proclaiming to 'not be much of a pudding person' we watch dear Riz have two helpings of roasted rhubard and stem ginger Eton mess. Our new critical topic of the school lunchbox continues as we delve into his; penguins, jam sandwiches and 'no pork’ stickers in school. Riz we love you, you're amazing and it's bloody frustrating that people are going to have to wait a little longer to see the live show for The Long Goodbye. Enjoy x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mum, what's your favourite day of the year? It's coming up this Sunday. And it may be slightly different this year, but it doesn't mean that you won't be getting a present. Or other mums won't be getting a present. If you haven't bought your mother anything for Mother's Day, we suggest that you order our cookbook. It's the most perfect gift and I love you very much and I'm very proud of this. Darling, it's the gift that I've contributed to as well what did you get me for my mother's day the same thing well there you go look if anyone has not yet got their mama

present for mother's day we urge you please go and buy a cookbook because they'll absolutely love it i know because i wrote it and i'm a mum. A mum knows best. I do. Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with my mum after a long day of promo. Yep. Today we have such a brilliant artist. He's a poet, he's a rapper, he's a musician, he's an actor, he's one of the best actors that we've he's one of the best actors that we've got

and one of the best artists that we've got. He's just brilliant. And here's Riz Ahmed. And this feels like a massive deal that we've got him coming over. I'm bloody excited. Very excited. You know, Riz Ahmed used to be Riz MC and part of Sweatshop Boys and has worked with a brilliant producer,

Rodino, who I love. So it's just a real pleasure to be having him over to talk about his new record, The Long Goodbye. I just watched the short film to accompany the album and it's harrowing and brilliant, pure dystopia and just a really compelling performance and incredibly provocative. So everyone go and watch that and listen to the record. It's come out this week. So he must be knackered because he's probably proper in promo world.

I know how he feels, Duck. Mum, how was your day today? I'm very tired. We did Woman's Hour, Five Live, Robert Elms, an interview with a lovely lady called... BBC World. ...Alari. Alari.

Yeah, I love Alari. And what's on the menu tonight? Should I take this away, Mum, just to give you a little breather? Primavera risotto. We've been doing a whole day of promo and we've got in. I'm going to do the risotto. It's so simple. It's nearly spring, I'd say.

Is it spring yet? Kind of. It's got asparagus, broad beans, peas, spinach, vegetarian because we've heard Riz is vegetarian. So we thought we'd do this risotto. so we thought we'd do this risotto and then i thought on the side just to pep it up um we are going to do the um slow roasted tomatoes with capers and garlic oregano mint thyme and you slow roast them for two and a half hours so you honestly you just you do it very quickly and then you bung them in the oven you don't have to think about them and just serve that with some rocket and pine nuts because i couldn't actually find some green beans and then for put we are having rhubobs in season

so I've roasted some rhubarb with some orange zest and the juice of an orange and a bit of sugar and some stem ginger my fave roasted the rhubarb for about 25 minutes and then just bought some meringues and whipped up some cream and just going to bang it all together for an eaten mess. So easy. So I think, yeah, we've done something that we're actually relatively calm and ready to

have somebody. It's proper collaboration. Oh yeah. Teamwork. Teamwork makes the dream work. I'm excited about this one. Riz Ahmed coming up on table manners we have riz Ahmed in our house in Clapham on a Monday evening yeah and boring with rain i feel like this is like and you've brightened it all up. Yeah, you're so smiley and happy. A lot of energy.

I'm really happy to be here, man. This is like, usually, you know, I know I've been running around doing interviews all day and I just come in, it's like a nice home-cooked meal. I love it. I mean, that's what we're hopefully going to give you. And I hope, yeah, no, it's going to be great. It's going to be amazing. What do you mean, I hope it's all right?

No, it's fine. But it's such a pleasure to have you. I've admired you from afar for a very very long time life wise man I've loved your music for ages and I think I like I mean I came to one of your shows

I think was it Shepherds Bush or something like that back in the day wow yeah and I was like I think I stand you afterwards and I was like

oh man just love what you do and you were saying that your your partner teaches at qks yeah and that's where all my friends a lot of my friends used to go to qks as well um and so we had that whole chat and i just remember just really i really loved about your music the way it was kind of bringing you know that amazing thing that garage did in the late 90s and early 2000s which is like my mom for that yeah she's like absolutely i know about her i'm more of a house girl you're more of a two-step house h and g to be honest okay i feel you but um

of like just bringing together all these different influences of like american r&b and soul and and garage and you need to see him once a week i know you're like a motivational speaker i love this i just i just loved it and i just felt like i know and also just the way you were just always so yourself on stage i found that quite inspirational as well because something that we were just talking about before you started recording was this idea of who you're allowed to be in public. Partly it's like who other people allow you to be. And partly it's like who you allow yourself to be or who you think you're allowed to be. And I just remember coming to that show going like, you know, it was all so cool. Like everything was so cool.

The videos were like cool. It was all like Sade. And you got like garage and R&B and all these influences that we love and it was just like the coolest one of the coolest things happening you know in London and going to a show and you were just so unpretentious and so yourself and then I chatted to you afterwards I was like what is this connection from like our part and I don't know I just kind of got me thinking. So anyway, it's good to chat to you, but I do think about that sometimes, about what masks you're asked to wear

and how comfortable we are taking those masks off. It's kind of like defined a lot of my life and defines a lot of my work. But is it, do you feel like you've got this responsibility to- I do, yeah. Well, represent British Muslims, but also represent yourself as an actor, a poet, an emcee, a musician,

a political speaker. Like you're kind of, you're wearing a lot of hats, which I think is absolutely fine. Yeah, thanks. I mean, I do wonder if it's a little bit different in America where I think in America,

they kind of like don't mind. Like, yeah, singing, we're singing, we're dancing, do it all, whatever. Like, you know, as long as we're into it, we don't mind. I think there is a bit more of a kind of in britain you're expected to stay in your lane a bit more and so when you enter different rooms you enter them with different sets of expectations that are imposed on you and i think in part that can be kind of healthy you know there's a healthy british skepticism where we're not just like oh wow

what's the new like the new thing in town we're all going to get guessed up about it i think it's more like you know people are okay you know wanting to prove yourself a bit more rigorous before we before we pat you on the back it can be annoying it can have good sides to it um but i do sometimes feel that responsibility and i do feel like it kind of goes all the way back to my childhood if I'm honest where I think you know I grew up kind of working class Pakistani household in London in London yeah in Wembley Northwest London yeah exactly and then but I got scholarships from a young age to go to private schools that were like like an hour away where um i went to merchant taylor's which was in more park really good school changed my life um but it was also a school going through a lot of changes

going from being quite posh and white to being a lot more multicultural and you know we would have run-ins all the asian kids are the bright kids that's why they wanted you in there exactly exactly there was this whole weird kind of thing going on where the school became a microcosm for the growing pains that Britain was feeling. The year that I started there was the Macpherson inquiry into Stephen Lawrence's killing. So there was this,

it was this kind of real growing pains moment in Britain, in that school. Again, I had an amazing time there and it changed my life. And I wouldn't say a bad word about it, but it was just the reality of Britain at that time. So were you in the minority at that school? I when by the time i started by the time i finished i was probably 50 50 yeah so it was that that real kind of transition moment and you know growing up between classes and cultures and that and then you know i'd be skipping off class to go and hang

out with my mates at qks for example you know it's a very different kind of school and and it was almost like i was playing different roles every day from when i was a kid you know i'm like wearing shalwar kameez at home i'm wearing a school uniform at school and you know they have different houses and the house that i was in was clive named after clive of india the guy who literally colonized india i'm representing that house yeah and then and then skipping off class to go and hang out with my mates and i'm wearing you know fake and rebook classics and i'll take a change of change of clothes with me everywhere and so i was kind of playing different roles wearing these different masks not completely

masked they're part of me but the whole time and so i've always been doing this thing subconsciously of like taking the temperature of a room and code switching i think that's how i was able to be an actor and i think there's a lot of good things about that develops a lot of different skills and muscles and perspectives but i think it's only really now that i feel like i'm able to go yeah but who are you when no one's watching who are you internally who are you when you take that mask off and so anyway i just really admire people who lead with that do you know what i mean i i think it must be quite exhausting that right having to i mean because weirdly i think i think

actually we're quite similar because we're jewish my mum wasn't Jewish when she met my father and she became Jewish so I always felt slightly on the periphery of being Jewish but I didn't feel really English either so I always felt like I was looking in and recently I had to do an interview for a Jewish newspaper because they always claim you you know it's the same with Packers if you do well they want you they want to claim you and say... And they asked me... We're still hanging on that, like, Lenny Kravitz is really Jewish. Yeah, but they asked me my mum's maiden name,

and suddenly my heart sank, because she wasn't born Jewish. You felt like people were going to judge you. Yeah, and it was just like that. So I felt like... So I felt i was always in my mum's family were not jewish so i used to go and see them and they were all quite different to my dad's family and i always felt i was stepping in different rooms as well well i wonder and now also i think with anti-semitism and i think there is a rise in anti-semitism there's a rise in all

hate crimes it's really crazy i think you're right so when i first got married to jesse's dad he said why do you tell everyone you're jewish straight away and i think i told them in case they were anti-semitic and said something vile about jews and i stopped doing it but i've started doing it again because i'm so scared someone's going to say something nasty about Jewish people. You haven't seen the short film that Riz has put out. No, I haven't. But it's, I mean, also... Kind of speaks to this a little bit. Yeah, because it kind of nods to, well, not to spoil it.

Well, I'm going to spoil it. It's a spoiler. Actually, you know what? Don't. No? I would say don't. Okay, fine. Because in a way... Okay, fine. Go and watch it. But it's harrowing and

actually yeah it was really upsetting and brilliant and uh mutual friend anil yeah yeah amazing director yeah so my good friend has a baby with him oh yeah so little rayanne was here for um my son's birthday today we were just talking about the response to the film and how crazy it is. It's like, wow. And how has it been? It's been incredible. It's been really moving, actually. You know what you were talking about there is,

as an insider outsider, you always feel this kind of precarity of your position. You're not quite sure where you fit in, one foot out. And in a way, like everything that, without realizing it, and I think now I'm doing it much more explicitly and intentionally, everything I think I've been doing with my work in any field is to try and take that no man's land, where people like us have often felt we are stuck,

and say it's not no man's land, it's our land. Yeah, you're right. Plant a flag. But in a way i think more people than not uh would see themselves as inhabiting a place that is hard to put a clean label on do you know i mean i think a lot of people feel this kind of slight mongrel identity yeah and and and in a way like yeah i think part of what I'm trying to do with the film, part of what I'm trying to do with the album,

and in a way with everything I do, is to kind of plant a flag in no man's land and say, actually, we're here. Actually, we don't fit in a box, but we're going to make our own. But it does like, you know, I mean, that's on a kind of abstract, emotional level. On a practical level, yeah, the film talks a little bit about, I mean, that's on a kind of abstract emotional level on a practical level. Yeah. The film talks a little bit about, I mean, it doesn't talk about anything.

You just got to watch it, really. But it's about this kind of hate crimes. It gives the Nazis and the treatment of Jews. Well, you think, how could this happen again? And it's a dystopian world. It can happen. It happened in bosnia yeah it's happening right now in india yeah it's happening in burma and mayanmar yeah it's happening in a lot of countries man so it does feel like we've just all lost our shit and we're just you know we're like in this crazy dystopian world are you gonna go and live in hollywood you're getting safer over there well no but i don't know you've

got the option to just run away if you want to i don't feel like you would but like where do you do you still think of london as home in the set because you must have to spend a lot of time in la right you know it's weird i think um isn't it always funny like the kind of the idea from the outside and the reality from inside i'm'm in London like all the time. Are you? Yeah, I live in London. I still live in Northwest London. I'm here the whole time.

I've never lived anywhere else, ever. And people always assume that you live elsewhere just because you see people's faces pop up in an American film. I did spend the whole of 2018 there to prepare for a role. It was good. I had to learn how to play the drums what role was this? wow yeah it's a film

called Sound of Metal it's not out yet it's not out yet and I had to learn drumming that's quite fun though it's so hard did you put any of that

can you play any of that can I fuck no when I was a backing singer for my friend Jack Pignate he gave me a tambourine and I couldn't even fucking do that while singing like honestly I couldn't do it it's a lot but did you

put any of your drumming skills onto the record or did you leave it to radino no no that was all radino who's our mutual friend as well yeah he's amazing you've been working with for a long time for like sweatshop boys for over 10 years wow yeah so we became friends from myspace oh my god i love it so i'm not going to put you in a box but are you a musician first or an actor first you know i in a way what i'm trying to do with this record is put all the toys in one box okay because you know it's fair to ask because i would kind of deliberately separate them as well because i said no i want to prove myself just in this and i want to prove myself just in this so i used to go and do the rap battles and you know and i used to go and you know go to the shakespeare audition and you know try and speak in a certain way and but now

i guess i'm just putting it all together so like with this album it's called the long goodbye it's um it's a rap album but it's also spoken word it also has singing on it and radino has produced it in a way where it's got uk you know based music influences but it's also got a lot of asian influences uh bangra kawali sufi music so it's kind of like trying to put all of them you know take off all the masks take off all the hats just go mask off basically and it's also a storytelling kind of thing so that's you know from an acting point of view there's that element it's a concept record so yeah it's a breakup with britain yeah it's a breakup album well i understand it jess yeah is that how you you've been feeling similarly or what i think that you're going for a breakup

with britain i don't even know if i want to stay here any longer. I feel so sad. Thank God. You'd go to LA though. No, I wouldn't. I couldn't go to LA. And I don't, I couldn't go to Israel either because I don't like the politics. Why, you feel like an outsider? No, no.

You're embraced as a Jew in Israel. You're embraced. That's why we have to have Israel existing. But do I want to be in a country where natanya who's in charge no i don't do i want a country where palestinians and jews can live side by side yeah will they have achieved that not sure um but i don't know that i feel completely comfortable here anymore and i did always there's so much anti-semitism at the moment i feel very very uncomfortable but not just anti-semitism right-wing islamophobia people hating people for no reason yeah it's it's a crazy thing isn't it where

they they managed to kind of pit everyone against each other and like and and the conversation around anti-semitism and islamophobia and you know anti-lgbt it's that it all needs to go hand in hand it has to because and not to flatten out the issues because they are different you know anti-semitism is different to you know islam actually i don't even like islamophobia because it kind of almost legitimizes it as a as a pathological fear like arachnophobia and agoraphobia, it's a ridiculous phrase, we should just say anti-Muslim hate anti-Muslim hate, anti-Semitism, anti-LGBT you know it's like I worry a little bit with the amazing thing about social media is everyone can find their

tribe so I think about social media is it really find their tribe so i think about social media is yeah it really fans the flame of tribalism yeah you're right we're kind of all in our own little silos as opposed to linking up and there's such territorialism and like i don't know i i i'm kind of hoping we can find some more common ground to challenge all of the madness that's going on right now so one real extremist one horrible anti-muslim anti-semi anti-black person in i don't know up in in some part of the country managed to find on twitter someone else he identifies with and then he finds a group that he identifies with and all of a sudden it's yeah yeah apparently when they modeled online hate what they use is um kind of virus yeah and um virus modeling oh god yeah yeah and like

tropical disease epidemic modeling and stuff like that it's crazy it's crazy when did you start doing music um 15 years ago, I think, something like that. How old are you now? Now I'm 37. You're not. Yeah, I am, yeah. I'm an old man. So from my early 20s,

I'm actually probably before that. I mean, my first track was out in 2005 and it kind of started down this road of like being stuff I've got to get off my chest. So I was like emceeing on local pirate radio stations. Then I got into Oxford and I was like, this is not local pirate radio stations then i got into oxford and i was like this is not good look like how you know mcs aren't going to go to oxford and i thought actually i can put on club nights so i can just like learn my craft and just be you know mc into

drum and bass every week for like three years it paid my way through university did you read it oxford politics philosophy economics makes sense right yeah the hardest one to get into no i don't know about that it's the one for blaggers honestly because that's one thing that's kind of alarming you know they say it's the one that you learn for people who want to go into politics really in a way what they're teaching you is give a bit of this side give a bit of that side on the debate come down somewhere in the fence 1500 words on my desk that's like civil service training so you know i mean they're basically teaching you how to like yeah kind of not really have an opinion um balanced view yeah right exactly exactly do you come from a big family i do come from a big family yeah i mean it's mostly my mom's side

here in the uk so i've got like 16 cousins on my mom's side. My mum's one of six siblings. Yeah, they came to the UK in the mid-70s. Yeah, I've got loads of uncles, aunts, the whole thing. How many brothers and sisters? I've got one brother and one sister, both older than me. Yeah. Married? My sister is, yeah. My brother's a psychiatrist.

Where's he a psychiatrist? In Australia. Wow. Yeah, it's kind of crazy, actually because he he does a lot of oh no pun intended but he does a lot of kind of work on cultural psychiatry and you see the different issues you get in different places and apparently like in australia the whole thing is meth crystal meth because they've got like a because it's so dangerous it's hard to import drugs there. So they will cook up meth. There's a crazy meth epidemic there.

Totally different to the issues you get over here. Random mental health tangent. So you grew up with a brother and sister? Brother and a sister. Lots of cousins. Yeah, like two or three streets where there's loads of our family's houses. So who did the cooking? My mum. Is she a great cook?

She's amazing. Yeah. She's incredible, man. What was your favourite? She's, man. What was your favourite? She's so good. What was your favourite of that? What is still my favourite is nihari. What is that?

So nihari is something that, it's basically, it's traditionally a kind of a beef stew, but over here, what you found is beef is a bit more expensive, and particularly after mad cow disease and stuff, there was a big shift. I'm really interested in how food shifts with migration. a lot of the beef dishes in india pakistan get made with lamb over

here yeah whereas lamb's more expensive there okay and so my mouth is literally watering okay so it's basically a really spicy really really thick um curry yeah where the meat kind of like falls off the bone yeah and you kind of cook it for like hours 12 hours yeah you know really low heat you just leave it in there and the kind of i think the dough that you use to make the chapatis you take some of that dough water and you put it in as well so it thickens it and and you just garnish it with loads of coriander chopped fresh ginger and you know you have it with a stack of rotis so nihadi is like yeah so hold on we got told you're a bloody vegetarian yeah but it may be only half vegetarian no-free vegetarian. Oh, you know what? No, I mean...

Is it because you only... This is me actually trying. Oh, for fuck's sake. We could have done some bloody lamb for you. No, all good. It wouldn't have been that. It wouldn't have been as good as your mum. All good, all good.

Sadiq Khan, when he came here and broke his fast here when it was Ramadan, but he said the basis of any curry is onion and tomato. So is Nihadi onion and tomato? Nihadi is not a tomato curry, no. No. Sadiq, no, man. Sadiq.

You don't want him to cook for you. That's clear. He told us that. Do you remember? Not to all curries. So for Karahi, it would be for like, you know, you've got curries like dopyaza, which means two onions. And the base of that is just onions. Dopyaza is two onions curries like dopyaza, which means two onions. And the base of that is just onions. Dopyaza is two onions.

Yeah, dopyaza, two onions. Dopyaza, dopyaza. So my mouth keeps watering as I'm talking about this. And so that's like, you know, purely onion-based curry. You have green-based curries. So that would be like, I don't know, ginger, garlic, some coriander. You know who's a good cook? Who?

Naughty Boy. You know, the producer. Oh, I see. Shah Naughty Boy. You know, the producer. Oh, I see. Shah, Naughty Boy. He's a very good cook. And so is Heems, who was my rap partner in Sweatshop Boys. Ah.

Really good cook, man. So your mum makes this nihadi. Nihari. Nihari. Yes, exactly. Okay, is that an Urdu? Yeah, yeah, North Indian. Yeah.

Pakistani kind of thing. Yeah, and it's, what does that word mean? Nihari, I think, Pakistani kind of thing. Yeah, and it's, what's that word mean? Nihari, I think, as crazy as it sounds, you're meant to have that for breakfast. Oh. So if you leave it all night and you have it. So I think the idea is you're meant to eat it in Niharmu, which means, like, an empty mouth or like, you know, not having eaten anything.

So when you're hungry yeah like apparently it's a kind of a breakfast thing not great the diabetes heart disease in the community it's because you have you know stuff like that for breakfast um but no with the vegetarianism have you not tried it i mean i consider it for moral and ethical yeah yes absolutely and we don't consider it and then i don't do it no i could do it and we definitely have cut down yeah we hardly eat any meat but um except on friday and saturday but yeah we've cut down yeah um but um and my husband's essentially he'd be vegan if he could kind of keep it up all the time but he's just lazy with cooking but um

yeah absolutely i think everyone's making more of a conscious effort but i do love meat but i do feel like i need to be only now like you know it needs to be more ethically sourced and yeah i want to save the planet isn't it that it's like the planet, it's our own health, it's the whole thing. I mean, I'm just trying to think about how I can cut down. They say, don't they, basically, don't eat beef. But it would be very hard. I mean, Pakistani families who've entertained me eat the most fantastic food, but it's very meat-based.

It's very meat-based. Indian, not so much. How does your mum feel about your newfound vegetarianism? She knows. She, like, kind of laughs. She's like, oh, yeah, okay, you know, cool, cool. Look what I've made. Indian not so much how does your mum feel about your new found vegetarianism she knows she like kind of laughs she's like oh yeah okay you know

cool cool look what I've made look what I've got I just cooked some of this don't have it nah nah don't eat it don't eat it

you're a vegetarian aren't you so before you know it I'm just like wiping the bowl with the rodi you know what I mean so it's not very

it's not hugely successful but I'm just trying trying uh yeah um so are you good at cooking i'm not great so what have you had today tell me what you've eaten today i'm not great man today i mean you've been to nando's almost they do a bean thing now don't they they've been doing it for a while have they yeah yeah i went um so i'm rehearsals for my tour for the album and there's like a theater near where we're rehearsing and they do a wicked like chicken leg and i see you can see the vegetarian i've eaten chicken oh my gosh i'm livid i'm li so naughty. He did say, to be fair, he would eat chicken or fish.

But we were very respectful. I was wondering when I came in, it felt like there were dietary requirements were just making the atmosphere a little bit tense. So wait, what is the kind of thing that you normally cook? What do you normally get into? It's like brisket and like short ribs. Zoe Ashton had short ribs.

She had triple. And they were like fantastic. What else would we have? Chicken soup. My Jewish chicken soup with matzo balls. But you're gluten free too as well. Yeah. I mean today.

Oh, don't. You're driving me crazy. Oh, he had a few rotis as well. Yeah. Just to polish off the chicken leg. Yeah, I'm trying, man. I'm trying. So we ask everybody what their last supper would be.

Yeah. So you've got a starter, main, pud and drink of choice. Okay. You can mull this over. You can think about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, no, I've got it. Oh, okay, fine.

Straight away, yeah. So I would have three courses. Sorry, it's going to be four fine yeah so the i would start with pani puri what is that which is or golgappe depending what you call how what you call them you probably had them in an indian restaurant before pakistani place or whatever which is you know you've got those those like round balls that are hot completely hollow they're like imagine like crisps you know and it yes carry on they're called puchkas as well yeah and you basically crack the top of them with your finger and yeah and then you have a bit of chickpea and potato mix and you put that in

there about halfway and then what you get is some tamarind water. I've never had this. Spiced tamarind water. And you pour that into this little ball. And so what you've got is like a little kind of a hollow ball that's halfway full of tamarind water, chickpeas and potato. You take the whole thing and you put it in your mouth in one go and you just bite and it explodes in your mouth. And so you get a tamarind water all around it. You get the soft kind of, you know, potato with a bit more texture, the chickpea. Sounds amazing. And you've got the crispy. It's just like perfect.

And do you know Asma Khan? I was with her yesterday, actually. Asma Khan. Darjeeling. She's so funny, man. She cracked me up. We were on Sunday brunch together. Quite hardcore.

Yeah, but I loved her and I love what she's doing. And she's going to Bangladesh to on Sunday brunch together quite hardcore yeah but I loved her and I love what she's doing and she's going to Bangladesh to Cox's Bazaar and I went there with UNICEF wow amazing

to meet the Rohingya refugees and so I really rate that and she's doing so much with the Yazidi women in Northern Iran so like

I love all that I mean I've never been to Darjeeling Express it's really good I really want to go it's really I think it been to Darjeeling Express. It's really good. I really want to go. It's really, I think it is the best now. Oh, really?

I think it's the best. But yeah, she's, you know, she's the first woman to get a chef's table. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And anyway, so sorry. Go on, say about, does she do these? Well, yeah, she does butch cars. And what she told me about them was, you know, street food often you know it's about survival and so the

rickshaw pullers would basically want to be a quick quick bit of food on the go yeah and stay hydrated so they're pulling rickshaws in the hot sun in calcutta or whatever and that bit of tamarind water it's like salted yeah it's really it's like electrolytes hydrating you got chickpeas and all that and you just stop by the roadside and they're selling them by the roadside and you eat them. So would you say the best place to have them is at Darley Jeeling Express? Or is there like a favourite place in Wembley that you go? Or does your mum make them? I think, no, my mum doesn't make them because those little kind of balls are like, they're perfectly formed.

But I mean, Wembley,y yeah there's like gudrati restaurants like sakornis um what okay so that's that's the starter what's the main or are we doing another is that not a starter is that almost just a little can of that's an appetizer okay fine right yeah then i would go um to another kind of street food halim yeah what's that halim is basically imagine if you had dal yeah but then you also put it in a blender with a load of meat so it's dal with like it's kind of one of those dishes where you just throw it all in one pot what we've got left over we've got some dal yeah we've got some meat we've got some kind of ricey grainy

kind of bulgur wheat stuff and we chuck it all in and it's all mixed together and it looks kind of like you know um it's not looks like how it sounds it's not pretty but it tastes yeah i mean it's kind of considered a little bit it's not high cuisine you know i mean it's not looks like how it sounds it's not pretty but it tastes yeah i mean it's kind of considered a little bit it's not high cuisine do you know what i mean it's all comfort food it's amazing man i just love that taste of like dal mixed with a kind of salen or like you know um a curry kind of base um with little bits of meat that are kind of like shredded and just just all mixed in there with a little bit of wheat so it's like a complete meal in one go and i would say that is my start and with all this stuff you know you kind of would garnish it with like fried onions basically fried onions chopped uh ginger

coriander and green chili and then okay so then that's not your that's your appetite no that's your starter what's your main okay your mom's no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no yeah i mean do you go for is it is it kind of like we've got one dish for the main or would it be like a main dish in a side you're gonna have whatever so what but what kind of non are you what non are you gonna have you're gonna have plain butter non are you gonna have garlic non you're gonna have whatever come on man so what but what kind of naan are you what naan are you gonna have you're gonna have plain butter naan are you gonna have garlic naan you're gonna have just plain i mean it's peshwari do people like i mean people do but i mean at home to be

honest so when you know south asian immigrants came to this country they were like where do you get naan from where do you get a proper bread the bread that they sell in shops here is like sliced bread that's no good you can't eat if you try and eat a curry with that yeah it goes soggy yeah you can't actually lift any of the curry yeah so what we all started eating um oh wow that looks great i'm sure it is so basically we all used to eat all our curries with pita bread because it was the closest consistency to none and so

you call it double roti you know and the funny thing is is that I did not know that pita bread was an Indian

or Pakistani I remember when I was like 14 or something it was like pita bread I was like that's Asian bread and people were like no it's not it's Greek what are you talking about it was like 14 or something it was like pizza bread i was like oh that's asian bread and people like no it's not it's greek what are you doing it was it was like you're not my father it was like a crazy moment of like what is going on yeah so i would have that i mean i would probably have

it with with pita bread just because it's old school and it reminds me of my like i love that yeah growing up and you just properly get in there and, you know, sucking all the marrow out of the bone, the whole situation. Oh, yeah. Do you want to have your salad with it? Enjoy your vegetarian. You guys, because you're... I'm loving it. You're sweet.

It's got like a mint kind of vibe in it as well, huh? Has it got mint in it? Yeah, a bit. Oh. It's peas, asparagus. Broad beans that I have a real issue with. I'm sorry, but they're in there but i just find them very i'm loving this i'm feeling very virtuous and this is yeah it's a primavera

risotto very spring-like you know we had a bit of some this week there you go nearly at spring i love it um okay so what what drink are you gonna have mean, pretty basic of me to say mango lassi, but... No. Mango lassi. Are you a pudding kind of person? I was growing up, but now I feel like... Nah, it kind of gives me a bit of a headache. Oh, God, you've got to have pud tonight.

Huh? You don't have pudding tonight. Yeah, I'm down. But if I, like, kind of... If I, like, binge it... My brother's got a real sweet tooth. I need some weird like child way where I was like, well, if he's got a sweet tooth, I'm not going to have one.

Some really bizarre thing. You don't have to have that. Let's have a look at what it is. As you know, I used to be vegetarian as well. You know, sometimes like the best dessert, if you've got like really fresh fruit I know And you just put a little bit of like cinnamon on a bit of orange

I know Or put like a bit of black pepper on mango I love mango Or guava with black pepper that kind of stuff Yeah there's a lot of that going on Where are some of your favourite places to eat in London? Just serve Darjeeling. No, I know, yeah, Darjeeling,

but I mean, if you weren't going to have that kind of food. That's fine, you're limited. Or do you always want to eat that food when you're out? No, not always. I mean, often actually I don't because I feel like... Cheating on your mum.

She does make me feel like that. She really does, you know. If we ever go out and eat that kind of... Well, we can't go out and eat Asian food. I mean mean it's just going to be a nightmare she's gonna i mean she isn't actually yeah she might send stuff back you know it's going to be like no no no that's not how you make it that's not my god i love that i love that because it's like she's yeah but her food is is really amazing i did that once with meringues. Do you remember?

They were shop bought. They were shop bought. Oh, really? They were shop bought and they said, no, they're not. I said, I can cook and they are. How did you know? Just tell them. They're shop bought.

Yo, I love that in this house, shop bought is like a swear word, isn't it? I can just tell. It's like one word. Yes, shop bought. It's a swear word. Yeah it I can just tell it's like one word it's a swear word yeah it might apply to other things

what do you think of this person's album shop bought it's a bit shop bought it's a good diss oh my god mum imagine go home with your

shop bought style shop bought it's like wow um what do I like to eat when I go out I mean I like trying things

that I've never tried before I like to go for the weirdest out? I mean, I like trying things that I've never tried before. I like to go for the weirdest thing on the menu. Really? I quite like weird combinations. I quite like that kind of experimental thing. I had horse sashimi once in Japan. Maybe she'll admit that. Horse sashimi?

I had horse sashimi, yeah. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, I did that. How did that taste? I was young. I was young. I was just like, i was i was young i was young i was just like that looks crazy i can't believe that's on the menu let's try it it tastes like beef you know it tastes exactly how you think it tastes like raw beef like horse carpaccio yeah

this is a really really really good risotto man thank you i'm really loving the range as well i love that basically last minute you get told someone doesn't eat meat and you're like, let's just pull a primavera risotto out of the hat. I'm like, what? Are you in TV at the moment? Am I in TV at the moment? I'm not in TV at the moment, no. Have you done any British things

um I did a lot of British indie films yeah but not any series I haven't I haven't done any British TV series is it something

that you'd like to do or are you kind of like quite happy doing films no I mean I like doing TV and film you know I like doing The Night Of was

just oh thank you but I mean it was perfection the relationship you had with the um the the lawyer i mean all of it was just so oh thanks it was amazing oh man it was crazy experience making it because it was like i just felt such crazy responsibility over it because we were like you know you go to rikers island prison and you see the inmates and you meet them and you interview them and then you go to the innocence project which is this amazing charity that kind of works to overturn people's convictions and i and i was

just recording people's interviews and just kind of going fucking hell i've got to get this right and it was just pretty stressful and john tutoro who plays the lawyer he was it wasn't the first lawyer no i mean the story of making that show is crazy. I mean, we shot the pilot with James Gandolfini from The Sopranos. Sopranos I've seen several times. Is he the one that died? It's my favourite show ever. Is he the one that died?

And he died... Well, yeah, we shot the pilot and we were like, great, we're going to make the show. And then HBO didn't pick it up. They said, you know what, we don't really love this. I don't think we're going to make it. And it was like, okay, damn. And then they were kind of shopping it around

to a couple of other channels and they were like, we'll make it. And then HBO went, actually, you know what? We'll do it. So then we're about to gear up to start shooting. We're going to do it. We'll start writing the other scripts. James Gandolfini tragically dies of a heart attack.

So it was going to happen. Then itically dies of a heart attack so it was going to happen then it wasn't going to happen then it was going to happen now he passes away it wasn't going to happen now you have to remake the pilot no no well i mean he's only one scene in the pilot right but now that he's passed away this is not going to happen so then it's off again so it's on off on off big name as well yeah and then robert de niro said i'll do it yeah and i was like oh shit here we go and um great and so robert de niro says you'll do it and then they get all eight scripts ready they're ready to make it then he pulls out to do a like a rom-com and then and then i'm disappointed in him i'm disappointed let off. We'll let him off. But then he goes,

well, we got all these scripts ready and we thought we'd be shooting. So what are we going to do now? And then John Turturro stepped in and we're like, we're going to do it. And we did it. You're like, I'll believe it when I see it. Yeah.

And to be honest, the whole shooting of it was quite challenging, you know. It was physically challenging. I had to kind of go from being skinny, so lost a load of weight to being really big and then i got you know that was really stressful and then just the whole thing just the whole shoot was super intense in every on every level so again i was just like all right well that's just done like i've survived that like see you later had no expectations and then wins the emmy for it yeah crazy so it's kind of weird how these things you know it's like in this in this game in life in general someone

described it to me as like well you love football and it's like you're waiting in the six yard box for the cross to come in and the ball hits you on the back of the head from the other side and just dribbles over the goal line when you're not looking. I'm going to make pudding in a minute. What's for pudding? No, you're not having any because you don't like pudding. I don't know, but... You're having a satsuma. Yeah, a satsuma. That's what you're having.

If you're good. Yeah, with some salt on it. No, it's roasted rhubarb with some orange zest and stem ginger. What? With just actually short ball

meringues that we're gonna bash up with some whipped cream it's an eating mess it's a posh eating man yeah i love it with raspberries but the roasted uh rhubarb and yeah this sounds perfect did you reckon how hashtag shop bought do you think we should make it like pagan or something yeah we can do hashtag shop yeah i love it i love it that was great man thank you but um so i want to know about when the part when you had to tonk up what were you having to eat were you having to go to the gym like mental yeah i went to the gym for about two hours every day after work and work was like a long time wait so it was just it was kind of unsustainable i kind of almost had a bit of a breakdown actually i've never said that but i kind of was losing it i was

just so i just felt so tense and the role was tense and the regime i had to do was tense and it was actually through that that i started meditating um because i was like i need to find some way of keeping my shit together. I don't know, have you ever been in those situations where it's like, it's the only thing you can think about? Your mind is just stuck on a loop and the only thing that loop is saying is, you are fucking this up. And you're like, just the worst kind of inner voice just on

left and and I remember trying to like go on holiday at the Christmas break to kind of clear my head and I'll be sat there with friends or whatever and people just look at me and go oh you okay like I just looked like I was just Luke I don't know it's just it's crazy how harsh we can be to ourselves, right? The voices in our heads. But in terms of what I had to, but maybe it was also partly because of what I had to eat. It's just fucking chicken breast and broccoli and avocado 24-7.

But do you think it was partly because the responsibility of delivering this performance? Maybe. I mean, it was a heavy, it was partly because the responsibility of delivering this performance? Maybe. I mean, it was a heavy, it was a heavy drama. It was. And I think also I was, you know, every film set has its own alchemy, you know. And sometimes things can kind of like make people feel relaxed. Sometimes things can make people feel on edge.

And for whatever reason you know the whole thing started just to become a little bit edgy and it wasn't just me it was like lots of people were kind of like you know people were like putting their back out people were just like saying actually i'm not turning up for work today and it just the whole thing was like but credit to you know everyone involved man and man, and to the people in charge. We got it over the line. This is a vibe. How much do you want?

Is that like it? How much do you want to give me? You can have more, darling. That's good to me. Thank you. You can see we've got a lot here. So wait, what's in this? What did you do? You took rhubarb. It's rhubarb. It's stem ginger.

It's orange. Thank you. And what, did you cook it all? No, some of it's fresh fruit. Like you cooked the rhubarb, right? Roasted the rhubarb with a bit of orange juice. Yeah, but less than that. Okay, Alice.

Roasted the rhubarb with a little bit of orange juice and orange peel, whereas actually it's that boomer, because I didn't have an orange. And then with some stem ginger as well, cut into it and roast it for about, what, 20 minutes, 25 minutes? And then let that sit out, whip some cream up. Didn't actually have enough rhububs

so shoved a few berries in there with some meringue, more stem ginger, bish, bash, bosh, that's it. What do you think? Is that our orange peel? Oh yeah, is it? It's sick, I love it.

Or some ginger, stem ginger in there, I love it. Or some ginger, stem ginger in there? I love it. It's so easy, honestly. So, you are in rehearsals, eating chicken

whilst you're doing your rehearsals. Yeah. What are you rehearsing for? Are you doing festivals? Are you doing a tour? I saw you were doing something in Manchester. Yeah, so it's a concept album right it's about my breakup with britannia or britney so it tells a story and there's a whole

kind of you know there's a kind of world every time you go into a story i kind of want there to be a world around it so that's what we're doing so um for the live show it's not just a normal concert it's kind of like kind of almost like a theatre show, kind of elements of that, or immersive kind of experience, kind of situation. Amazing. So I'm doing that with Manchester International Festival. They've given us a warehouse in Manchester.

And then I'm doing that show again in New York at BAM, in Brooklyn. And then I'm going to just do, yeah, so I'm kind of doing more that kind of thing trying to create a special kind of memorable world and story and experience um again it's just that idea of like putting all the different sides of you into one one thing um I'll probably still do the odd like kind of live just PA kind of thing but I think where I'm at right now is I just want to like try and push myself and do something

a little bit different do stuff that i've done before who's directing it um it's kirstie housley have you worked and she's i've never worked with her before but i did do a version of something like this 10 years ago and got wicked reviews and then it didn't get booked anywhere because people didn't know where to put it. And I was so scarred by it in a way because I just put everything, I called in every favor, I racked up all these IOUs, I attracted single, and then went and got this investment

and got it paid for, paid everyone who I owed money to, developed this thing, got more money, developed a whole thing, took over Fabric Nightclub for two days, took over like, you know, all these tents at Latitude Festival in Glastonbury and sadler's wells theater and create this whole experience like secret cinema vibe and it just i was like a new artist with no big tunes was suddenly walking around with this really exciting live show that cost how much to book like what no of course not and 10 years ago and in a way i just

realized like oh shit i'm like i think i finally got over that to kind of come back to it and go well there was something in that there was something interesting in that idea so i'm kind of running with that see what happens i want to know a new question we started asking did you take pat lunch to school um yeah and what was it yeah i took pack lunch to school what was in it oh my god i had a he-man um lunchbox he-man i think or thundercats yeah so i'd probably have Capri Sun, standard. Or like a kind of Just Juice. Remember Just Juice? They're still good. Really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Orange Just Juice, I'd say. And maybe like a penguin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then, when you think about it, it's crazy what we used to eat for lunch. It's just sugar. And then probably a sandwich.

And the sandwich would probably be in white bread. Yeah. And it would, one of them would be like a jam sandwich. Oh my God, Chris. Yeah. And the other one.

You have good teeth too. Thanks. And, and the other one would be like leftovers of Indian food. Okay. So it would be like a white sandwich, like mighty white or something and um it would have little ripped up bits of like chicken tikka in it oh nice or it would have

like keema you know like mince mince meat like curry mince crisps not really crisps man no but the more i think of it most of my school days there were school dinners oh man so jokes I remember when I was a kid this is like 6 years old and they'd had school dinners and this is like back in the day before any political correctness or anything

and we used to have stickers and I had a sticker on it that said no pork it's like you're a little kid you're like no pork I mean no that was supposed to help me that was supposed to help me

I was happy about the sticker I was unhappy about how they dealt with the sticker I remember going up to the dinner ladies and she'd say that's terrible no the dinner lady

would say to me don't be fussy and she'd put the sausage in my plate oh my goodness and they'd be like stop being fussy we always

get this and you had to eat it and we'd be just sat there this is like 1988 that was terrible and we sat there in the school and they're like you're not getting up till you finish your plate and he just sat there eating pork sausages going i don't think i'm supposed to be eating this and i was not pork it's not pork it's sausage oh you know like that kind of thing. Crazy, man. So funny.

Is pork good? Do you guys eat pork? No, no. You don't? I mean, I hear a lot of hype about bacon and pork. People are like, oh, mate, bacon's amazing. Is it all that, really? Bacon, the smell of bacon's amazing. Is it?

It's the smell that kills me. Really? Yeah, me too. I don't like the smell. Never choose to eat bacon. I'm not feeling that smell at all. I don't like the smell in McDonald'm not feeling that smell at all i don't like the smell in mcdonald's zone of the chips you know the smell of fish is the smell of a treat

for me it's it's fillet of fish all muslims you know it's there's mcdonald's isn't halal so then you eat the fillet of fish so listen if you if when it's ramadan go to a mcdonald's at around sunset and ask for a fillet of fish and see what happens. They'll say, join the queue. And there's this 50 Muslims just waiting there, waiting for the fillet of fish. They'll be like, we've got an eight minute wait

on the fillets. We've got eight minute, around the time of breaking fast, there's no fillets, man. But there's halal at Nando's. There isn't two, too. They've smashed it. I remember the first time

when we went to Pakistan, really, I mean, when I was like two to get circumcised. Fun trip. Oh, mate. At two?

At two, yeah. So why did they wait until you're two? I think my dad wanted to make a thing of it. Like, hey, we'll go to Pakistan. It's a big celebration. If you're willing. Yeah, right. You know, we'll do, get circumcised.

My first memory. Oh, no, you're kidding me. It's my earliest memory, yeah. Shit, that is a earliest memory yeah I just remember like sat in line they're going ah and like

this dude with a moustache just like walking around that is terrible yeah yeah it wasn't that bad you know um

I went there I feel I've just told you a Pakistan horror story I feel I've got makeup with a real with an amazing story which is when I went again when I was 15 yeah and they had halal mcdonald's halal what else do you want

man that was your dream oh mate what did you eat everything we ordered every single thing i should think every day everything guys you gotta visit pakistan i know i'd love to go actually i mean i'm going on again like this is like my vegetarianism as if I'm some expert. I've been about three times. I actually was thinking of doing a show out there. Yeah.

Where, Karachi? Yeah, probably. I don't know. I mean, someone invited me to do some stuff.

Yeah, it's interesting because I mean, people have this preconception about what it's like. Even I think I had a preconception of what it's like.

But I went there about a year and a half ago. And there's just a sense of like anything can happen, which can be a little bit edgy, but also just incredible. Like the sense of freedom. Like, man, last time I went to Pakistan, it was jokes. I basically, we went to this like,

we wanted to visit this shrine, me and my mate, who's a film director. We just made a film together i went to berlin called mogul mogli and um we went to pakistan just to like do some research for it so we go to this shrine we get on this like little boat like this little kid and like little pirate ship kind of thing was like yeah jump on like this 12 year old kid all right cool jump on we're like dodging like chinese oil tankers going on away to this little island off the coast of garagi mad get there and we're about to come in and they go um where's your where's your passports and we showed our passports we're not pakistanis only we went yeah but come on like we're kind of pakistani and they're like no you're not um you can't come through like well

we want to go to this shrine like we've heard've heard it's, like, really colorful and vibes-y and, you know. And he goes, well, we've turned this island of Manora into a naval base as well. So you're now on, you're Pakistani non-nationals on a military base. Shit. You're not going to be here. You're trespassing. You could be trespassing. So come with me.

We're arresting you. So we're like, fucking hell. Oh, goodness. So we get taken into this little, like, hut. And there's, like, some dude sat there behind bars in some little, we're arresting you so we're like oh you know so we get taken into this little like heart and there's like some dude sat there behind bars and some little we're like fucking hell what we're gonna do and the thing is people don't realize how much art and beauty and culture there is in that part of the world all you ever see in the headlines is just the bullshit you know and the sad part all you ever heard about the uk was stabbing you know what would you think about it and over there poetry is such a massive part of

of the culture it's like the backbone of the culture really where poets fill stadiums and so they started asking so what are you guys doing here and i went i'm a poet because i was there for like music purposes and they went oh that's a that's a lifelong path you know like how can you be a poet at such a young age you can't call yourself a poet you could say you're learning such an interesting way of looking at it this is like with military police just sat there we're talking about poetry you have to like spit some bars i literally had to spit some bars to get out of behind bars. What do you mean spit some bars? Like actually say some of his words. Yeah.

So they literally were like, well, show us something. So it was literally a freestyle. See what I mean? If you want your freedom, spit some bars. So I did. And they were like, yeah, it was good.

You can go. Which is like, only in Pakistan, the military police like, but you know what? He's got a nice flow. Let's let him go, man. Because what?

Because we love poetry. Because everyone in this country loves poetry. You know, in the Emirates, in the UAE, you know over here, you have American Idol, you have Pop Idol. In the UAE, it's called Poetry Idol. That's what it is. It's Poetry Idol.

All people from the Arab world, they come and they compose proper poetry and they come and they do it That's the position it occupies in the culture, you know, and and people aren't aware of that to be honest I wasn't really aware of that, you know, because when you when you migrate you kind of your day-to-day interaction You know with the culture becomes something else rather than that that heritage and that legacy And Paul what and actually, you know, that's what's true and part of what i and actually you know what that's what's on this i'm bringing it back to the album no you should but no but that

was some a big learning curve for me was actually digging into my own past and realizing that there is all this beautiful stuff there so there's for example there's like the first track on the album it's called the breakup but it's also in brackets next to it's called shikwa and that's referencing this old poem by muhammad iqbal the guy who invented the concept of pakistan or there's the next track is called toba tek singh has taken from a short story by this writer called mantor who was writing about basically there's this guy's character and he's refusing to choose between india and pakistan he's refusing to choose between east and west he's going to make his home like i was saying in no man's land and that story's called toba tek singh and so i know i just feel like i've i've gained a lot in the last few years

of i've always been culturally connected but more in a day-to-day domestic way but actually going back and looking at like actually who are these poets what is this music how can i and bringing into what i'm doing today it's kind of set me free a little bit you know you feel like you're not just uh atom floating around like finding your way you realize which is really one of the most comforting things to realize i think in life or can also be a bit restrictive is that you're a link comforting things to realize i think in life or can also be a bit restrictive is that you're a link in a chain um i think there's something kind of comforting in that you i want to go to the bloody the temple the church of riz because you are like you're so

motivational and like you're so you're amazing how you speak you You are. I mean, I've spent a lot of time being demotivated and being like, you know, full of self-doubt. But you do seem in a good place. I mean, you seem excited and happy and energized considering you're on promo week. Look how much sugar you just fed me. Oh, that's true. Yes, that's going on over there.

Bring you back to your He-Man lunchbox. Well, I would like you to be my friend forever. Yes, let's do it. I'm coming back for munch round two. Riz, thanks so much for coming on. I feel like you are our national treasure and everyone's saying, please don't break up with Britain just yet.

But here's your tea towel to remind you of this beautiful day. Yes. This is your tea towel. Amazing, of this beautiful yes this is your tea towel amazing thank you but really good luck with everything

I don't think you need any luck because you're just so in control and killing it and we're all so proud of you and it's just so nice

to reconnect again just seeing how much you're smashing it and you're brilliant oh thank you yo I'm going to come here every week man

I'm loving this vibe well riz Ahmed mum he was just so interesting so fascinating so clever just a delight charismatic intelligent special exciting um interested in you so generous to me um but yeah just absolutely love him and I felt like he could have stayed for ages and that we can invite him over again. Yeah, I think so. I'm really annoyed at myself for not asking him what it was like to impregnate Lena Dunham in Girls. I'm very annoyed at myself. Jessica, I'm kind of relieved you didn't.

Okay, well, he was amazing as the stoner surfing teacher. He's so intellectual. Yes, he is. So clever. Yes. You felt like you were there. I felt I was learning. You've had a right old culture vulture day today, Mum.

Woman's Hour, Five Live, Riz Ahmed. Yeah. Do you know we've got a cookbook out? My brain hurts from today, I tell you. Jessie, we've got a cookbook out. No brain hurts from today Jessie we've got a cookbook out no I don't want to bloody talk about the cookbook anymore I'm sick to death of it darling stop it

however the primavera risotto was fantastic thanks so much Riz Ahmed thank you mum for not coughing all dinner you did really well and we will see you next week thank you for listening the music you've heard

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