Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Second Helpings - Callum Turner

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

While we’re on our summer break we’re diving back into the Table Manners archive to relive some of our favourite episodes from 18 amazing series! First up we’re remembering when we invited Callum Turner over for a fish dinner back in early 2020. After a mesmerising performance as Sean Emery in the BBC's The Capture, he was about to star in the new film 'Emma' playing Frank Churchill. We talked to the Londoner about growing up on a Chelsea estate with his Mum, who was a night club promoter, supporting Chelsea (🥴) all whilst eating sherry cod with tomatoes and butter beans, Dusty Knuckle sourdough and Panettone Bread & Butter pudding. He reminds us of 90's 'fish in a bag', talks about introducing custard to the USA, being a creature of habit and dear Colin The Caterpillar. And my husband said I hadn't made this much effort in my appearance since our wedding day 🤷🏻‍♀ enjoy xListen & watch Table Manners here - https://tablemanners.komi.io/Follow Table Manners on:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tablemannerspodcast/TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@tablemannerspodcastFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/tablemannerspodcastYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TableMannersPodcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Tablemanor's Second Helpings, 2026. And we're going to start off this series with an episode from February 2020. The turn of the COVID lockdown. Yeah. And it was Callum Turner who came over. I've got to say something now. Callum, I think I had COVID at the time. And I hope you weren't ill later.

Yeah. Because I was later tested and I had antibodies. And I was quite ill that week. but I was supposed to be a trooper and carried on, and I never in my wildest dreams thought it was COVID. We were very excited to have Callum Over because I'd kind of fallen in love with his character in the capture. He was playing a character called Sean Emery.

And my husband said I hadn't made us that much effort since my wedding day. I know, it was P-D-L. What's that? Pre-dual-Lieper. Pre-dual-Lieper. I think I accidentally said at the end of the episode, thank you, Callum, for coming all over me. What a gorgeous land.

He's a lovely man. He's also very handsome. But he was coming on to talk about the film adaptation of Jane Austen's Emma, which was directed by Autumn de Wilde. I think I watched that during the long lockdown months where we watched telly midday. I made Bella's sherry cod with tomato and butter beans, which was from our cookbook, which I think was about to come out. And we served it with dusty knuckle sourdough. I know. And you did a bread and butter panatoni.

Because you had leftover Otolengli Panatoni from Christmas. Yeah, delicious. Callum Turner coming up on Second Helpings. Callum Turner, thanks so much for being here. It's nice to be here, thank you. Where have you come from? From home. Where's home?

I live in Kennington. Oh, why? I know, it's perfect. Whereabouts? Oh, just down. Just down the road. Yeah, I used to work at the Belgrave when it was a hospital. What's the belgave?

Opposite the Oval, there's a kind of flats and it was a children's hospital. Yeah. It's quite a spooky looking building. Yeah, it was gorgeous. It's flat now. Yeah, I know, it's sad. Are you, would you call Chelsea South London? Would you call yourself? You're shaking your head. Would you call your South Westland? I definitely would say more South London than West London. South West, it's South West, it's literally in the middle.

It's not over the river. Yeah, but still. But it's on the river. You wouldn't say you're a North Londoner, though, would you? No, absolutely. No, no. Not even a West London. I mean, it's... I'll say southwest, yeah. Fine, got it. So where do you go to eat after the match? Do you remember the blue elephant? No.

It was a Thai restaurant on Broadway. Was it Philly? Yeah, not Fulham. Broadway. And you walked over a bridge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you walked over a bridge and they have water running through. Next to where the Fulham Broadway is now.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember that place. Do you go to football matches? I got a season ticket, yeah. It's my fourth year. Fourth year. This is a big contention.

You're looking at me because you're running night. It's fine. It's fine. I like Fright Man Bard. You do? I think he's a nice boy. That's not what you said before the podcast artist. No, I just don't know that how good he is, but he's a nice bloat. He's probably better than Ollie.

No, look, we all love him and, you know, he's a judge. He's a hero, he's a legend, he's an icon. I prefer him to John Terry. Anyway, how's things post the capture? Yeah, things are good. We were huge fans. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was bloody good, apart from I had an issue with the ending.

Go on. I don't know why you said you'd, you'd, done it. Because... I just don't know why you... Yes. Yes. Because the guy, Napier said that he would alter those images of him with his daughter to make him look like a paed apart. Okay.

And then if those images are out, then that would be it, you know. Like that, there's no, you know, there's no coming back from that. That was so mean. You liked it, yeah? I loved it. Yeah, it was great. Are you going to do another one? I don't know.

I have no idea. You must. But you've got no idea. Would you like to? I would love to. I love that character, but where would they take my character?

Because they could recruit you because you're so clever. Yeah, but he's not that clever. You are clever. It's more that he's like so determined. He's very intelligent man. You've got away.

Jack Bauer, 24. Yeah, you were kind of, you never got captured. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. And you only got captured. Jack Bauer never gets captured. He died.

He died. Wow. You've got like three seasons. He never got captured. And you only got captured because you gave yourself up because of your daughter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love, I love her. I love it.

My aunt actually one day had like 16 theories. She was a little bit tipsy and 16 theories and one of them was right and I was trying to keep poker faced. Oh, what? But she was literally just knocking one out after the other or this, all this, all this. And then one of them she got. And I was like, yeah, no, not that. I don't think. The only thing is I don't think you'd have fancied that lawyer

She wasn't your type at all I thought you might have got it on with Holiday Grange or whatever That's too obvious But they're both fighting the good fight But she's joined up now They're both joined up, yeah who knows I think if you joined up that would be epic Is that what you want to say?

Yeah we know where the information is It's it on the mantel piece Yeah Well it is yeah it's in the chip Yeah I know you're going to be an hour Emma? Are you a posh bloke in that? Very posh, yeah. Very, very posh.

Who are you in it? Who's that? Bloody cat that always comes in when we do a podcast and drives us mad. It's a very sweet cat. This is all right. Tension seeker. Yeah, who are you in them? I play Frank Churchill in Emma, who's sort of the, do you know the book?

Yes. Yeah, I mean, yes. You're not Mr. Elton. I'm not Mr. Elton. Yeah. Who's Mr. Elton? Oh, it's Johnny Finn. Josh O'Connor.

Oh, I love! Yeah, yeah. He's so good. Will you put in the good word for us? I will, yeah, yeah. You want him on here? Yeah, I'd love it. I'll get him on it.

He's looking great as Prince Charles. He's great in Emma, too. Is he? Is he? He's really funny, yeah. Oh, is he in the Darylls? He's in the Daryls. I loved him in that.

He's the guy that we look like each other. We're very similar looking, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We always say that if someone's looking for Josh and that nice call him. So do you wear britches? In the Emma. Yes. We actually had all of the clothes were made for us.

Alex Byrne is a costume designer, brilliant artist and she designed all the costumes for us. Everything, the hats, you know, the lot. And the director is, is it Autumn, the Wild? Yeah, and how is it working? Autumn's amazing. Autumn Du Wild. Autumn DeWild is like the premier rock photographer for behind the scenes. behind the scenes, she did books with the white stripes and Beck. Do you know, Becky's?

Yes. The famous pink album cover, she shot that. She's really cool. That was been a long time ago, though. I think it was, yeah, maybe two times. Is this her first feature film? This is her first feature, yeah. She's a boss, man.

She's taken a very English story and put her punk DNA into it, which comes out in the casting. I can't wait to see it. Yeah, it's cool. It's like the left-filled version of Emma. It's not the English and she's really lent into the comedy and the casting, you know, mostly people that are doing independent films or horror movies playing in this 18th century world. Is Mia Gough? Emma?

No, Mia Goth plays Harriet. Anya Taylor Joy is... That's the one that she's trying to sort of fix up, matchmaker. Exactly, yeah, yeah. Who plays Emma then? Anna Taylor Joy plays Emma. I don't know her. She was in this movie called The Witch, which was this brilliant movie come out 2017, the horror movie.

I think I saw the trailer. Yeah, it's incredible. You should watch it. It's pretty scary. And she's done, I think she's done like 20 movies in four years or something. Oh my God. She's brilliant. She's brilliant.

Because you're such a movie buff. What's your favourite film that you've seen recently? Well, this week I've seen Uncut Gems twice. Oh, I'm dying to see it. Oh, that's the Adam Sandler one, right? Yeah. Go to Prince Charles Cinema in Lester Square. It's on 35mm and that's how they shot it.

So that's meant to be seen. Oh, nice. And then twice. It's mad. It's like a mad movie. Brilliant. The Saffley Brothers are like, you know. And then I saw in 1917.

What did you think? I loved it. Yeah, everyone's loved it. I loved it. Yeah. I almost cried about five times. and I said that to my brother and sister and they said what was the bit that you cried the most at

and I was like the fact I wasn't in it so brilliant good for you yeah fantastic movie so I don't know if you know that much about this podcast but it's like about food and it's about food memories and so you grew up in Chelsea with your mum

yeah single mum she sounds amazing I read the evening And she just like, you painted a really amazing picture of her and that. She's very cool. She's a wonderful woman. I actually rang her before this because you sent me that text message of like food that you used to eat.

And I said, Mom, what stuff did you cook for me? Yeah. And she then sent me about 89 voice notes of things that. She's a voice noter. She's a voice noter. I'm so am I though. Are you? I would have voice noted you, but I didn't know well enough to.

I called you and you didn't pick up. Yeah, I'm very bad at picking up my phone. You could have voice note. Jesse, so are you. You never have your phone on. No, I don't. It's true. Why do you never have a phone on?

I just don't have to listen to voicemails, even. I never listen to voice. I need to put a voicemail on and be like, I don't listen to these. Please don't leave a message. Just text me. Just hang up now. So what did your mom say? She said, well, because the main memory I have is a fish in a bag.

We used to be fish in the bag all the time. With the parsley. Yeah, she had the parsley and I had the butter. Butter sauce. The butter sauce with like boiled potatoes or whatever and some broccoli. But my mum did, which was really funny, she used to make roast dinners all the time. Like on the weekday? On Wednesday.

Wednesday roads. Yeah, because she was like, it's a good heart. This is from her today. She's like, it's a good hearty meal, you get to eat it and then you can go. It's quite easy to cook as well. Yeah, exactly. You get your meat and your potatoes and then your veg. So I used to have, and gravy, lots of gravy.

Was she a good cook? Yeah, she's a good cook. I love her roast. Are you an only child? I am an only child, well, I grew up as an only child, but I have a half brother and half sister who grew up in Australia. And actually my brother is a big food he loves. Well, in Australia the food is incredible.

Yeah, it is. Have you not been? I went when I was 19. Okay, so you weren't. It's some of the best food. Like, they're always ahead of everybody else with how they're like doing things. They're really brilliant. You should go there and just eat a lot.

It's so good. The wine and the food. food is so good. Can you cook? Yeah. Uh, sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got a couple dishes.

Gone, gone. What are they? Well, I like to make a little salad. Yeah. I throw bits in, you know, tomatoes, cucumber, all that jazz. And then I make, I love to roast Brussels sprouts, which is my favourite thing in the world. The best. How do you roast them?

Lots of olive oil, salt, and then grate some parmesan, if I've got any parmesan at the end. Someone's been in L. for a while. You've got to have the roasted brussels in there. Roasted brussels, yeah, yeah. I just think the most delicious thing. Can I suggest something? Please. So we have a cookbook coming up and we've got roasted brussels in there and I put grapes in there.

Wow. Soy sauce. It doesn't matter. Like red, red, but soy sauce, balsamic, roast it up, sweet, salty, bit of hazelnut on top. He might put it just savoury, darned. Maybe. No, but that sounds delicious. Is that sweet? Does it become sweet?

Well, no, it's like tangy. It's lovely. It's delicious. Okay. So, okay, so you do your Brussels sprouts. So I have a group of friends, and we call it therapy dinner. So we all go to each other's houses, kind of like a come down with me. And I cook the same thing, and I just get fish and then whack it in the oven. So I roast the, roast the fish and roast the sprouts and then make the salad, and that's it. And what do you do for Pud?

What do you do for Pud? Well, we either, we go like kid version pudding, so we get like fingers or I bought some Eminem hazelnut new chocolate for dessert. We're going for dinner. Eminens have done hazelnut chocolate? Hazelnut chocolate, so it's like a chocolate bar. I can show you the picture. I know my phone's over there. Let me get my phone.

What, have you been putting it to the group saying this is what I'm coming with next time? Yeah, exactly. Bring that to dinner for pudding. Or you know what we like is a caterpillar cake. A Colin. Oh, the Colin. Yeah. Can't go wrong.

The joke is that like my friends, she's an incredible cook, like beyond incredible. She an actress? No, she's not. She's a fashion designer, but even the plates are exquisite. It's like restaurant quality. So then we counter that with a Colin. I'm going to start, shall I start the food? So what you've just done Emma?

When's that coming out? Oh, it comes out February 14th. So what are you working on now? I'm about to start doing Fantastic Bees again. And that's the Harry Potter offshoot? Yes. Is that a mean way of saying it? No.

No, it is, isn't it? Spin off, not offshoot. It's a separate series but in the same world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I've never seen any of the Harry Potter. I kind of have saved them for my kids. Amazing. Well, that's going to be a...

But, yeah. Fantastic piece. Are they actual books as well? No, no, no. They're all written by J.K. Rowling as separate films. Okay, got it. So you used to work at Davies Street Market. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That must have been fun being in Soho and just kind of... Yeah, being 19 in London in like the most exclusive shopping. Oh my God. Yeah, with like loads of cool people and not really having to do your job. It was amazing. Did you get an allowance for clothes? Yeah, they did. They gave, I can't remember how much, like, 7.50 a season or whatever.

Well, I mean, the job was literally like, they were so nice to me there, all the people. it was kind of a dream and I made lots of good friends and you know that's kind of my university over street market so what was like eating out

in Soho were you just like did you used to go out after work and was there like a place that you'd frequent No I had no money I was going home

and I lived in Doulston Oh did you? I lived in the Beauvoir on Hartford That's why you had no money that's why I had no money because I went on 750 but I picked the furthest place

from Chelsea that was still still close enough to London, central London for me to get into, just to escape it for a little bit. And then, yeah, I mean, I literally would work or watch films or replays for like two years. That's all I did. Yeah. When was this? I moved out when I was 19, so... 10 years ago?

Yeah, then, yeah, for two years. And then I was there for, I was in one house for about nine months with three boys. And they were so messy. It was mad and I had to get out of there. So I moved four doors down, moved them with three girls. And they were like sort of, no, no, no, not at all. It was like moving into a home. Were you messy Jesse?

I'm messy. Yeah, messy Jesse. Messy Jesse. But now, dude, you've got the excuse of the kids, so. Yep. Yeah. You know what? It's a testing time for all of us.

Oh, because you're here. She's living here. So how long have you been here? Since September. At the same time. Yeah. We're work together now. Can you imagine working with your mom?

No, sorry. She sounds quite cool. But I don't think she'd want to work with me either. What does she do? Neither did I. She's just retrained to become a therapist. Amazing. Oh, really?

Maybe I'll need her after this. Maybe. Before she, I just need to sleep. I'll leave the number on the table. Callum, I'm just helping. I'm serving you. Is that all right? Yeah, cool.

Thank you so much. It's, it's... I feel really just sitting here. No, what are you talking about? Please. So, Englishness, you know? There you go. And then just use the bread to dip.

Yeah, it looks amazing. Oh, you're sweet. And smells incredible. Now, where are some of your favourite places to eat in London? Um, uh, food wise. I like La Familia. Oh, I do. In Chelsea.

That's what we used to go for Hannah's birthday. Oh, really? And it's like... That's a special place. It's so good. Good day. It's like, Mnogh's favorite restaurant. It's Kylie Minogue's favorite restaurant.

It was like in the 90s, mom, I think. It's still fabulous. It's amazing in there. It's like being in Italy. Yeah. And it's in Chelsea. I've actually, I don't think I've ever been on a date there, so. You should do it, Callum.

Yeah. What do you eat when you're there? Well, whatever fish, spaghetti, you know, normal. Whatever's on the menu. What would you say you're a foodie? Uh, um. I wouldn't say that I'm a foodie, no. That's okay.

I mean, I like food, obviously. But I'm not like, oh, that's like artisan bread. No, and fair enough. So what have you eaten today? I had porridge for breakfast, and I had a nandoz. Love nandoes. Cheeky nandoes at lunch. Yeah.

What do you order at nandoes? I got the... If you're a pesteratian. Yeah, I got the bean burger. Did you? Is it any good? Yeah, it's nice. Well, you don't like that.

So is this... That was a big reaction. Is the pescatarianism a new thing for this year? Or how long have you been a pescatarian, or flexitarian, as you call it? I've been a flexitarian for like three years now. Okay, and why? Because I watched a couple documentaries and I just saw, like, you know, just to stop eating bad meat.

If I go to a nice restaurant and the meat is nice or high quality, then I eat it. So it's only work for a week. Or if it's game, you know, like I've got a friend in Bath and she goes to the market and there's a guy who works on a farm or on an estate and he brings like a pheasant to the market or he brings Ville or whatever. And you know that that's... So you want to know where your food's coming from. Which are the documentaries? I watched Calfourcy and I watched What the Hell. Is that what you've watched, Jesse?

You've seen him, yeah? My girlfriend at the time was really pushing the agenda on me. And then when I'll finally watch those, that was it. I want to know more about your mum, because I kind of got a whiff of her with that article. But she was a nightclub promoter before she was a therapist. So, like, how did that work out with, like, young Callum, your mum, and all these amazing characters coming into your...

Yeah, basically. So she did the clubs like The Lime Night and Kathy DeParry in the 80s. Oh, wow. Amazing. With people like Steve Strange and Boy George and the new romantic movement. What was the Barracuda Club? Baracuda Club. Steve Strange was there, wasn't he? He did that as well, yeah?

Yeah, with Boy George. With Boy George, not Roy George, Boy George. Roy George. I'd love to meet Roy George. Roy George. Have you met Boy George? Yeah, yeah. Did boy.

Yeah. It's a very lovely man, yeah, and his brother too, Kevin, are beautiful people. Do you want to know what Boy George said to me? Go on. I was doing my V magazine cover shoot, right? Quite a big deal. Yeah, huge.

You know, I'm in New York. and doing the shoot. When is this? This was like, what, like 2015, or 14, 15? And somebody goes, excuse me, boy George would love to meet you. And I was like, oh my God, this is fucking cool. So I go over to boy George, who's also getting their makeup done, his makeup done. I go, hi, and he turns around and he goes, oh, you're not Jess Glenn.

No, I'm not. He meant, oh. And looked so disappointed. Wow. And I just was like, yeah, I'm sorry. sorry I'm not Jess Glenn. And he so wanted to tell Jess Glenn that he was a massive fan. He didn't know who the fuck I was. Where was Jess?

She was no way to be seen. He just heard that Jess see something was there. You should have been like, not now, George. Honestly, it was so funny. He looked so disappointed to see me. And he just, he didn't even hide it. He went, oh, you're not Jess Glenn. It was amazing.

Does that sound like, Boydrow? It sounds like something that he would do, yeah. I know you would have, but thank God you weren't. Yeah, because you would have knocked him up. Actually, you know, he used to be a boxer, so I wouldn't start a fight with boy George. I think that's what they did when they were younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Him and his brother?

He's got lots of brothers, yeah. A lot of big family. So I want to know, like, what was it like? How old were you when your mum was being a promoter? Well, she did it before... You were born? Yeah, before I was born and did it as I was growing up. He had manifested in lots of ways, like, lots of fabulous people coming through the house and living with us.

Like, Steve Strange lived with us for a few years. Okay. Yeah, the guy called Sassie. Did you wear a makeup? He did, yeah, lots, yeah, yeah. He's just get everywhere. Amazing man. Uncle Steve, you know, not only my life.

The Sasha Lilick as stylist, who does lots of stuff now, live with us for a few years. Lots of flamboyant people coming through. And you were going to be in Chelsea then? Lots of, yeah, yeah, yeah. So where we lived, it was kind of like, I lived on a Guinness Trust estate in the middle of Chelsea, which is kind of like, I don't know, contradiction because... Where is it? World Zen?

It's next to World Zen. So there's Guinness Trust and then there's World Zen and then there's Cremont, so there's three estates in a row. But it's interesting growing up in that space and then living in one of the richest parts of the world because my primary school was in the middle of the Bolton's, you know, which is where... Oh, I know this school. Bowsfield? Yeah, that's where I was a fine school. Yeah, it's a really good school. Yeah, it was a good school, yeah. So, you know, lots of contradictions and then having like this, you know, club family, club royalty family living in the house was not a norm on the estate. So La Familia is one of your like spots that was kind of like neighbourhoods.

Did you ever go to that place? We actually... We actually... Yeah, I love the stoppot. Love the stoppot. And Picasso. No. Café bar.

No. So La Familia has been there for a long time but actually the first time I walked in there was like three years ago. Because I've always wanted to go and I decided, you know, it can't be that expensive. Quite posh. Yeah, it's quite expensive. It was expensive. And I walked straight out. I've probably been there about four or five times, yeah, yeah.

But Mona Lisa, you know, Mona Lisa? No. The Chelsea bun. Those are the Chelsea bun. Chelsea bun. Which is not there anymore, actually. The stock box's not there anymore, is it? It's not, no.

That was really good. I actually had a funny interaction with them. I had an American friend and I was telling. her about custard for days and days and days and I walked into a bookshop and I said to the guy behind the counter. Do they not know what custard is? No, they don't have custard in America. They have it in Canada, but it's not a... That's why Harris had to go to Canada. Yeah, I couldn't go to America. But a custard. Anyway, I walked in, it was kind of like a Notting Hill bookshop, you know, like the Reese Eiffin's character and I was like, mate, where's the best

place to get custard around here? I want to have to try custard. And it sparked off this huge debate between three or four people that lasted 10 minutes and the guys at the end were like you know what the stop pot it was bloody I remember the custard was it spotted dick it was kind of it was kind of apple crumbulled it was it was lumpy custard but you like there was a school dinner

by it yeah yeah yeah so where did you take her for custard? No I didn't I failed on my mission to give her to yeah to try custard didn't happen. Sounds very romantic I like this story for some time the beginning of it's not romantic at all it's not romantic at all it's just

It's just the shared experiences. Welcome to England. This is what we do here. You could do the old, what's it? Birds, what's it? Bird's eye. No, not birds'i. What's it called?

What's the EU's? Birds. Birds? Birds. Birds. The fish fingers. Yes, bird size of fish fingers. So, um...

Last supper. Um, I guess it... Starter, Maine. Pud, drink. Um... I think I roast dinner. That's your main. Which one?

Chicken, chicken, lamb or beef? I'd go lamb. Pescitarian boy. I'd go flexitarian. This is where I really started getting flexible. It's where you flex yourself. Yeah.

I'd go lamb. Lamb. I love lamb. Yeah. Some succulent, juicy. Yeah. What side? Oh, lamb chops?

Lamb chops. Yeah, love lamb chops. Love lamb chops. My favorite. They're good in Italian restaurants as well. Yeah. So, okay, so that's your main. But with the potatoes, with like,

if it's my love. Last supper I'd have like cheese, cauliflower cheese. Yeah. Oh, this was that trouble. You made last night, Mom. Made it last night, darling. On its own? No, she made lamb with collard cheese.

You know what she added to her cauliflower cheese last night? Blue cheese and you thought it would be too much, but it was, it was salty. Bit of a kick. Yeah. It was really good. I have to tell my aunt. My aunt makes like the Supreme. Yeah, I'm not a supreme.

And it would be her, it would be my auntie Tracy's roasting that. Okay. Can everyone come? Yeah, of course. All right, cool, the whole family would be there. So you're having a starter? You know what? Actually, I went to Doe Street Market the other day.

I went to the Rose Bakery at the top. Oh, okay. And they had this mushroom soup, this, it was delicious. So I'm going to throw that on there. Okay. And for pudding, it's got to be sticky toffee. Do you know, with custard? With custard or cutter cream?

No, with custard. Boys love sticky toffee pudding. We should do it again. Do you want some Panetone bread and potter pudding? Yeah definitely. Is it there? Is it? It's there? Oh yeah, of course. How much do you want, darling? I don't want to... That looks amazing, yeah. And then put loads of cream on. Thank you very much. Guilty pleasure food. Guilty pleasure food. You know what I love?

What? I don't want my taste pot to come across are too basic but yum yum yums. Nothing wrong with the young milk? But no. Stormsy? Stormsy loves... Stormsy loves stammer. The thing is, Stormsy likes yum yums, but it was more about what he says about yum yum. You don't need to know. Talks about fingering a girl before getting yumm. So we just like, yeah. Oh my God.

It's like Winis Porchre. Fucking hell. Oh my God. Oh my God. I wasn't expecting that. You never think about yum yums in the same way. I'm for the taste. Good.

Yum yums are great. Greg's is great. Have you tried their vegan sausage? No. Where have you been? I've been about. But I didn't, I haven't tried it. And a vegan steak pie.

They do good yum yums too, but best yam and M&S though. Yeah they are. 69p, 79p, you've got two small ones. That's all you need, that's all you need, they need the four pack. Yeah. Don't need the four pack of yumb yams. I don't think that's much of a guilty pleasure. I don't mean he eats.

What are yum yams? Yeah. So do you train every day? No. I've just been a holiday for three weeks. And did you eat a lot? Actually we didn't eat that much. We would eat like just three meals a day and no snacks

because it was, it was, we were eating this fresh fish. and fruit and so you don't use. But you've got, your tools, you've got more area to fill up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, in Brazil we were eating, I think it's Mac, what's the, Mokeca, that's, we had that, me and my brother had that every single day for lunch and pretty much dinner. So you're a creature of having it? Delicious.

Yeah, I lived in Rome for six weeks, I went to the same restaurant, probably 50 times. What did you order that? It was downstairs from my, from my building. And there was a lady there called Jessica, work there. She was the Dutch lady. And you fancied her. No, but I told she was my own best friend and I had the same table every single time

and she left it free for me because she knew what's coming. And what did you eat? I would get the octopus with potatoes and then I would have like a spaghetti so I would mix it out like pesto or I'd have Gresham which is like a Roman carbonara. Oh, what's different

about that? It's the type of meat so I think it's a different part of the pork. Yeah. Oh, that sounds good. It's delicious. The next time you go to, it's only Rome too. Have we had his dessert?

Yeah, sticky toffee. Oh, of course, yeah, yeah. So your guilty pleasure is yum yams. I'm disappointed I felt like what you could do. Do you want to know what Michelle Keegan said? Go on. Chalman with mayonnaise. That's kind of wild.

That's a wild combination that I was not expecting. Neither you wouldn't. Um, yeah, I don't really like Chalman. What's, me? Me neither. I love mayonnaise though. What's your drink of sort? Delicious.

Is it, darling? Good. What's your drink of choice? If I'm going out. Yeah, out-out. I'm going out, yeah, I'll get a Guinness. Really? That's so not a going out, like...

I know, but it's a nice drunk because your feet is still on the ground because it's heavy enough, but you're still like... And Callum, thanks so much for coming out. Thank you for having you. I'm glad you don't have too far to go. Yeah, me too. We give everyone a tea towel. So when you're... Get your Brussels sprouts out the oven next time.

the next time. It's going to be a private place. Think of us. Oh, it's really cool. Yeah. I like it. Dover Street, take that? Um.

The Dover Street should have this. Callan Chen is so lovely. He continues to be lovely when I bump into him in the street or at Glastonbury. He's a lovely bloke. And maybe the next Bond. Who knows? And we are sorry, Callum, if you got sick after that. I promise you, we didn't know.

We had two episodes that week. But can we talk about the fact that Lenny is an absolute trooper? Because I got up out of bed. I didn't know what had hit me. I felt really ill. We didn't know what COVID was. You were living with me at the time. We'll see you next week for more second helpings.