Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Second Helpings - Emilia Clarke

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

We’re travelling way back to 2019 and to close Series 8 of Table Manners we decided to get an absolute Christmas cracker in, the Mother of ALLLL mothers, the Mother of Dragons! After hearing this lady was a fan of the podcast I swooped in like a baby dragon and coaxed her with the promise of chicken soup (her request!) and she even broke her gluten free policy to sample mum's matzoh balls. We talk to our dream girl about her dear late dad's passion for food, salad in a bag, boarding school meals and setting up her charity, 'Same You' with her mum after having 2 brain aneurysm in her twenties. What a treat to have the nation's sweetheart over for dins! Listen & watch Table Manners here - https://tablemanners.komi.io/Follow Table Manners on:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tablemannerspodcast/TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@tablemannerspodcastFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/tablemannerspodcastYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TableMannersPodcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Table Manners. We are doing our second helpings. And this week we have the gorgeous, brilliant Amelia Clark, who was one of our first, which was a really early guest. I remember it being a big deal when we got Amelia Clark. It came out in December 2019. She was coming on to talk about her Christmas film, last Christmas, which I still watch, a proper Christmas film.

Yeah, we were ending series eight with Amelia Clark. And we were so excited to have the mother of. dragons on and it was thanks to Greg James that we had her on. Why? Because he told me that she was a fan of the podcast. So I slid into her DMs and we made it happen. Mom, you made chicken suit with mats of balls at her request despite being gluten intolerant.

Oh, okay. And we did monkfish skewers on rosemary stalks. We also did salt and vinegar potatoes and I made a dairy-free chocolate cake, which no doubt was probably quite crap because I'm still rubbish at cakes. This is Amelia Clark coming up on Second Helpings. The stunning Amelia Clark has just walked through the door with like gifts. Huge amount of gifts.

I can't wait for you guys to, they're fun. Like one of them, they're Christmas themed. Wow. Yeah, but it's filled with Christmas chocolates. So you've got one of them each. That's amazing. Because I figured like babies might be well into being like, oh my God. No, these are my...

These are, I just thought they were so cool. They're like, they're biscuits kind of like. kind of like a but bourbon and jammy dodgers. But they're not, they're all chocolate. So they're chocolate in the shape of like, you're like jammy dodger and your bourbon. It's like you knew my daughter said just before you came, I want chocolate.

Amazing. Amazing, thanks so much. No, I worry. I loved it. It was like my most joyous thing. I was trying to work out. I was like, what am I going to get you guys? Got my Christmas thing.

When do you have time to go shopping? Oh, please. That's very close to me. So, and they were like, you were literally called me a regular today. I was like, oh no. Are you a chocolate? That's embarrassing. Yeah.

Like it's like a need. Someone once told me that if you crave chocolate, like dark chocolate, which is what I like genuinely trained myself to like because when I was... Do you know what I mean? You're like white chocolate all day. Not obviously.

Milk, milk chocolate. Yeah, milk chocolate. Yeah, milkie bar. But then when I started getting into dark chocolate, someone told me that when you crave it, it's your craving oxygen. Oh, I heard it was magnesium. Or something.

There's like some... genuine because you know you get those cravings especially for dark where you're like it's like a pregnancy I thought it was when you had your period that oh the iron or yeah there's all that good stuff in it so yeah so I get well into that and kind of try and enjoy it so you've like brought over chocolates you're chocolic are you sick to death of Christmas yeah so we shot it last year last year at Christmas so we shot it all before Christmas then we took two weeks off to have our own Christmases and then carried on. And it was kind of, it worked out sort of well because we were filming it at Christmas and we're

filming it in London where it's all Christmas anyway and you're just like, amazing. All it did is make all of our own Christmases the most exhausting things you've ever, like, because we're all like, this isn't the movie. Where are the fairy lights on crack? What's it? Okay, yeah, okay, perfect. Yes. Yeah, he's cute.

Oh, like a don't. Now, was he in crazy, crazy, rich Asians? Good for sir? yes genuinely yes he's so good looking yeah no because there are some

where you're like oh god but no he was just brilliant did you get lost in the moment for a second yeah especially when it's a really

romantic scene but the thing about me and hen was that like I don't I don't know there was we were so we were so we were so like

friends and professional that it like there was nothing like I mean this with such sincerity there was nothing it was just

like a lovely kiss. Like there wasn't, do you know what I mean? You're like, it was, it was like a movie. Okay, fine. Yeah, and it wasn't meant to be. So I think all of that kind of played into it. Oh my God, I need to see the fucking film now. I think you'll really like it.

A rom-com is my favourite type of film, especially a Christmas rom-com. Well, and it's a very, very, very British rom-com in that it's like more than a rom-com. And it's got George Michael music. And it's got George Michael music all over the shop. And then there's an his unreleased one that he

that he made right before he died and it's rolling on the credits. Oh wow. So it's kind of amazing. That Paul and all the screenings was like, stay for the credits. And I'm like, stop telling everyone what to do.

Like if they want to say they can just like... I was... I heard you on Craig David, on Greg James. Sorry. Greg James's breakfast show. Like you were doing a couple of stints on it, weren't you or not?

Maybe you were just doing one, but he told me that you like the podcast. That's the reason. That's the reason you're here, so thanks Greg. Thanks Greg. But yeah, you were doing like, I don't know what this game is that he does, but you were like, honestly, you hate the Pog song. Fairy tale of Christmas.

It's really bad. Very about New York, is it? Yeah, it's just one of those songs that just makes me sad every time. Of all the Christmas songs, you've got so many amazing options. And then there's, and then with that one, I just, I just, and you're like, come on, we can, like, sing a proper question. But I feel like maybe you should go to one of the Pogues, Brickson Academy Christmas shows

just to really solidify whether you love it or hate it because that is so drunk and so Irish and kind of kind of brilliant but like I love an I like we shot in Belfast for 10 years I love an Irish sing song in the pub get it down your neck all that so I love it

I absolutely love it but there's just so I don't know So you lived in Belfast when you were doing Game of Thrones Yeah I mean we were there for like for however long we had to be there and on the last couple of seasons we were there for basically like 10 months. Did you understand the accent? Oh, how about you? Yeah.

My dad was from there. Oh, nice. Yeah. And I thought everyone said modern and patron. Yeah. And philm. Do they still say? Film. Film.

Yeah. Yeah, but people don't do they want to. Yeah. So I've got like a lot of connections to you, which I feel like I get to spell out. Okay. Does the name, this, be slightly embarrassing if it doesn't, does the captain, do you know the captain? The captain.

Okay, Dave Morgan. One of the cameraman. So the captain is my best friend. My brother will be like, yes, the captain. Well, your brother worked on the game of friends as well. Yes, yeah, my brother worked on give him to the camera department. Yeah, was he on the last series? He was on the last series and we lived together when we were filming.

To get on well. We do. We do. I mean, we, we hadn't lived together for a very long time because we both went to boarding school like in that amount of time when by the time we started living together in Belfast. And so there were a few like, like Ben seriously I need you to like screw that jar back on that jam and I need you to pop it in the cupboard like do it before and then and then like

he'd wash up only his stuff and not oh wow proper fracture right but it was the most magic thing in the world coming back home and having Ben there like every once in a while I'd be in the bath and the door would be closed and we'd just be having it he'd get in after a night out or whatever and then be having a chat and be like how is your day it was just lovely we get on really well is he older or younger he's older he's like I think they would you'd call us Irish twins isn't that what they? So he's like a year and a half. Yeah, not quite within a year.

Two under two. Yeah, two under two. Yeah, exactly. So that's Ben and I. So we're really, we're really close. So growing up. Yes. It was you and Ben. Me and Ben. And then, and your parents and like, who was cooking? My dad. And your dad's passed away. My dad's passed away. Yeah. I'm so sorry. Food is like, when I think about my childhood and I think my family, it's just food. Really? That was how my dad expressed love. Obviously, loved us.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah. But my mum does three things, and she does them very well. Come on. She hasn't done the chocolate moose in a very long time, but she makes a mean chocolate moose

because she just would inhale, like, if you gave her a slab of dairy milk the size of the table, it'd be probably gone in about four bites. Like, she's a chocaholic. And then she would do lamb chops and salad in a bag. kind of woman. She just lamb chops.

Salad in the bag, love it. My mum loves a good lamb chops. So she would do that and we would do that and salad in a bag. And then to the point where it was so infamous that my dad was the only one who did the cooking in the village that we now live in where we're all really, really close. Do you all live in the same village? No, no, no. As in our village where we live is like a proper community.

And when I was in hospital, our neighbours, our amazing neighbours, came to the hospital with lamb chops and salad in a bag. Oh, do you know what I mean? Because it was just like, our, yeah, our families kind of, but my dad would cook as kids, you know, the smell of like dough.

He would make us homemade pizzas with like whole meal dough and then he'd make us chicken curries and he'd make us. But all of it, now I know, was like with a superior palette. Do you know what I mean? Like none of it was bland.

So when I was a kid, I didn't know how to say, spicy. So he used to call it minty. So my dad would be like, it's a bit minty. But so it would be me with a, with a vat of yogurt with pretty much anything he'd cook. Yeah, because he loved chili. My brother love chili. Yeah. So we, um, his spagg bowls always had like, kidney's in and like, you know what I'm like he really went there. Some people put chicken livers in, don't they? Chicken livers in, I don't mean chicken livers in, which I'd always try and navigate around. Yeah. Yeah. Which I just. Oh wow. Like proper food, proper food food food.

but then he'd also make a club sandwich that was like the greatest thing you'd ever eaten. Like he just would make the most simple food superior. What did he put in his club? Was it everything just it that's in a club sandwich? Everything but like he'd get like the best bread. And then it'd be toasted to perfection. And then he'd have the best mayonnaise.

And then he'd have like your iceberg lettuce and your smoky thick cut bacon. And then he'd marinate that chicken in like white wine and garlic. No, he would do. And like grill it like that and flat iron it himself. like pound it out. He's there butchering in the kitchen all the time. Pound it out and then have the next layer of bread.

And then there'd be your fresh tomatoes. Like it's just a, all of the stuff's just regular. But he just like pimped it basically. All of the food that we would eat. What did he do as a job? He was a sound designer for the theatre. But he started life as a, well, he started life as an art student. And then as a roadie in a band and like,

was just tried every drug under the planet and like was a massive hippie. And then found his way into sound and then was a resident at the national for ages for like 14 years. Did musicals, toured around the world. And what, did your mum work? Yeah, yeah, my mum's, my mum is,

I'm going to put it really basically because I still don't quite get it. A business woman, and always has been. So she was, my dad was this like freewheeling, free loving, creative hippie. And my mum was, so if you imagine like when they met and then my mum was like the 70s glamorous on

with her red revlon nails and her red lips and her like perm. So where was he? getting all his influences from? So he literally, food is such a big part. Like, you could, I could tell you all my parents' stories from like when they first tried garlic when they first, like what their best meal was, that kind of thing. Full of nostalgia then.

Yeah. Like, my dad was always into food as a kid. He was from Rulverhampton. Moulver-Rampton. And his mum was like, you know, she cooked, but it was never full of like mass or months of flavour, but he got lovely food. And then for his, I can't remember what birthday. have been but he was young I think he was like under 10 they're like what you want to do for your

birthday and he was like I want to go to this restaurant they're like right then we'll go to this restaurant and that's where he tried really I think that's the first time we went he tried garlic and then they were well off enough to go to to go on holidays and so he went to Spain or to France and that was when he tried different spices different flavors and just blew his mind and from then on no matter how poor he was no matter how little money he had because he went through most of his life with like not two pennies to put together, he would get his tin of sardines and his thing of rice and do whatever he could to like make it into like...

Oh, I love him. Yeah. Sounds amazing. And he'd try food from all over the world. He passed away. Yeah, three years ago. Yeah, yeah. So sorry.

But I'd be speaking about him and his food love with just the same amount of vigour as I would if he was still here. Are you a good cook? I can be a good cook. Like if you give me an otter. Elengi cookbook. Yeah. I'll go mad.

Yeah. Like me and my brother did all the Christmas cooking last Christmas. What was, okay, what was on the menu? So we did a turkey, which hilariously was the only thing that didn't work. And then we did, we had like 24 people around and we did, I think we did like 15 different sides. Oh, wow. Okay. So we just essentially got Otolengi and Jalina's cookbook.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Did you do it roasted sprout? Yes, we did a roasted sprout. We did that kale and we did, I can't remember. what else we did, but we did loads and loads. And people just basically ignored the turkey, which was half cooked. What happened? Oh, it was half cooked.

It was a new oven and we just didn't quite, and we sort of weren't paying attention to it. But it was this whopping great big turkey. And then like, and because also my brother's a vegetarian, so we sort of needed to, maybe that's why he didn't really. Oh yeah, sabotage. Yeah, exactly. Sabotage the turkey. What are you doing this Christmas?

I'm taking mom to India. Oh, wow. My brother to India for two weeks. Yeah. Because it's my mom's 70th in January. Fantastic. So she didn't want a party. So I was like, oh, I'm going to surprise them with that.

That's amazing. Yeah. And you are part in India. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my granny was half Indian. And so we've, as a family, I went when I was 16 and scattered her ashes after she died in like backprant around northern India and did that. My mom, my dad had been to India. My mom used to work in India.

My brother's never been. But we've never been as a family. So I wanted to plan this like pilgrimage sort of thing. And then we've got really, really good friends who were there. So on actual Christmas Day, I think we're spending it with like 14. people like in an Indian house with like all and all and I'm just so excited it's going to be really good. Cheers. Happy Christmas.

Happy Christmas. What a pleasure to meet you. Honestly, I mean I've been watching you on screen for how many years? How many years was it? Seven, eight. Well, so it was eight seasons but ten years. I mean, it's been a while. God, that's champagne.

I love champagne. Me too. That is good. Makes me having it. That's exactly it. I could be in any pub anywhere and be like, don't care what kind it is, babe,

just bring it over. It gives you bad breath though. Does it? I don't. I feel like it does. I don't think so. Maybe it's Proseca that gives bad breath. I don't know,

but it always feel like champagne breath is not the one. Oh, I think it's all right. Maybe like the better it is, the less bad breath you get. Less halitosis, yeah. New advertising for fancy champagne. It doesn't give you bad breath.

I think there's, So, on your request, you asked for chicken soup. I did. Because I hear about it so much and I love chicken soup. And that is the one, my dad would make chicken stock all the time, which now we call bone broth. Yeah. But like back before, it was just chicken sauce. You don't have to have the matzable if you don't want it.

But you can have the mattson. Do you know what I mean? I've never actually. You've got to have a matzable. Oh, yeah. Is it going to make you have to go to the loo if you have the matzable? Not today. Fine, perfect.

Are you actually gluten intolerant? It's one of those things, right? Gluten, this is the fine print they don't tell you. When you go through all of your varying things of like, oh, this is good for you, I'm going to do exactly what a paper tells me to do and I'm not going to do it. You become less, you become, when you take out gluten for a significant amount of time, popping it back in, pain. The dairy thing is real.

Yeah. But for real, if you, because I don't, I'm sure I'm not allergic to gluten. That's why you shouldn't take out gluten. Yeah, no, I mean, my mum is very, when I've attempted it and actually felt much better for it. Yeah, no, you do. You absolutely do. So maybe it's just that before I took out the gluten, I wasn't aware of the fact that I was bloated all the kinds. How much did you eat?

Not that much. Her dad's pizza. Yeah. But I mean, but what do you do about bread now? Because I love bread so much. I, you're not fuss about it. She has gluten-free. Gluten free.

Yes, it's bad. If I'm going to eat bread, I'm going to eat bread. I'm going to eat bread. out with a bang. Hells, yeah. If I'm going to do it, there is no point in like, I found there was one gluten-free bread that I found in America that basically just tasted like sugar and I loved it.

Because it was squidgey and it tastes like banana bread. Jessie, she's a superfoody. Yeah, superfoody. I'm really like, I'm kind of bit anxious now. No, no, no, no, no. Mom, your chicken soup, don't worry. I haven't had a home-cooked meal and I cannot tell you how long. Have you been so for real?

Yeah, I've not been able to go home because my mum, since my dad, dad died has like made her mission god-lover to be good at cooking so she's always like no no no no i've got to cook for you got cook for you and she gets really like i must be really good at cooking and it's genuinely got so much better but i just don't cook for myself and i don't know whether it's like i'm grieving my dad or whatever it is no i mean i don't eat red meat really really really rarely because i'm trying to do my bit but that's so sad that now it feels slightly bittersweet for you to cook yeah there's something in it but like if i'm cooking for other people let me at it. Like I love it. I absolutely love it. And I get, I turn into my dad in the kitchen,

which is just like a little bit testy. I'm just a little bit. I get a little bit stressed. But I love the preparation of it and all of it. So you've always eaten really well throughout your life. Always eaten. Yeah. My dad really screwed us in that sense. Because I never craved, if my mom listens to this, she'd be like, yes, you did. We never had. Rubbish food. Yeah, we didn't. Like when I was a kid, kid, we'd have like a packet crisps after swimming or whatever. And we used to have those, um, Oh my God, the golden syrup bars and the Jamaican ginger. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like after, do you know what I mean?

I remember like after swimming and all that. But overall, we would always, I was, I was 24 before I realized that people didn't always sit down to eat a meal together. Like, I literally, it was just so much like breathing. What did you, what did you eat at boarding school? Oh, God, boarding school food. Was it terrible? Yeah, but kind of good, terrible. Oh, right, all right.

Okay. Was it like, kind of. Was it like kind of custard and biscuits? Oh, right, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And did they do the chocolate custard? They did the chocolate. I love the chocolate.

Yeah, I love the chocolate. Yeah, it's the best thing in the world. Yeah. Just custard. No, yeah, you'd just get like school dinners. But like they were, to my palate now, there's something so comforting about like salty, bland, thin cut beef with like a bit of slightly lumpy gravy with your boiled potatoes and your boiled carrots. There's something about it where you like to know what that's just...

Do you like plain food then? I genuinely. don't eat plain food at all. Do you bring your own lunch? Yeah, yeah. Because you can't trust it. Mainly because in recent years if I'm on a plane, for the amount of time that you'd need to eat a meal on it,

someone taught me once that if you want to conquer jet lag, don't eat on the flight, which sometimes really, obviously really hard. So like you'd have some nuts or you'd have whatever, and I'm going to sound like I've got a feckin eating sort of, which I don't. But it's if you try to not eat a big meal at least on the plane, your jet lag is helped when you land

because your stomach gets... That's where we're going wrong. We're having the wine and the water comes. I have everything. I get seconds. But when I'm on the plane, I'm going to work. Yeah, no, tell me about it. Every time I sit down, I'm like, yes, I will start with the champagne and then I'm just on water.

I think very much. Yeah, I guess you need to be like on it as soon as I land. Sometimes I go straight into a thing. And if I'm there with like a big bloated full belly and like feeling a little bit more. I mean, do you get recognised wherever you go? Yeah. Is it boring? It's just sometimes it can be frustrating.

for the people that you're with and you're like, let's say, like this happens to be so many times. If I'm walking with like a girlfriend, let's say, we're having a proper gossip, we're having a catch up, we're having like a heart to heart of some kind, but getting into it.

And then someone comes up and is like, who's gonna have a photo and you're sort of in the middle of like someone's crying or we're getting into it or, and then you're like, oh, I shouldn't be saying things so loud. And then the friend that you're with feels really awkward

and then it turns into a weird thing. And then you're like, sorry to you and sorry to you. but I don't quite know how to navigate what this is. So recently, since, and I think it is actually probably since after my dad died, because I went through three years of genuinely having seven days off, like in three solid years. Oh, God.

Because I was doing, I did Game of Thrones season seven, which lasted like 11 months when I had about seven days and went into Star Wars, which then extended. So we were only meant to shoot six months. and then it turned into a year. Has Star Wars? That was been, been and gone. Oh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The next ones, I did Star Wars, um, the Han Solo story. Okay, I haven't seen it. It's very awkward. But Donald Glover was it? But yes. He was the most handsome, charming man. Love.

Before, what? Before what? Before, what? Before the like mega, mega, mega, rise of Donald. But, um, but yeah, so in that time I was like, it's just so, I can't begin to describe how tired I was because they went into that and then went into that and then went into that.

stowles and then went straight into Game of Thrones and we did that for a year and then we finished and then like I was just knackered and that was at a time when people were stopping me quite a lot so I was genuinely walking through an airport like and I just suddenly started having what I can only believe to be a panic attack brought on by like complete exhaustion and was just on your own to yeah it's on my own and it's on the phone to my mum because I called her and I was like I feel like I can't breathe I feel like I don't know what's going on she was like take a sit down you're all good you're all good and then I'm there and then the tears are coming out and I'm crying and I'm crying and I'm crying and I'm crying down to try and not be like, I'm sitting on this seat in the gate.

And this guy's like, can I get a selfie? Can I get a selfie? And I was like, I can't breathe. I'm really sorry. Just having a minute. Can I just? And then like, so it was after a few moments like that where you're just like, I don't, I don't know how to do this.

So I started to say, I'm not going to take a photo, but I will sign something. Because then as soon as you sign something, you have to have an interaction with that person. As opposed to someone just going, or he gives a selfie and then go, you. by, it turns into, right, what's your name? Who are making it out to? And then you have a little chat. And then you're actually having like a truthful human to human thing as opposed to it being this other thing, which probably isn't nice for them and it probably isn't nice

for you. But I wonder, because like, you've got such a reputation of being like a lovely person too. But it's true. Like, you're like the hot one, but also the loveliest person. And so, but that thing of people feeling like they can approach you. you because you appear approachable and therefore you being able to just be like guys you know what I'm not having a great day do you mind I feel bit shit there's just a few moments because when you're in like a big public space you're kind of you've got to get from A to B and normally you're kind of

in a bit of a and when you're I mean I don't know if this is bad to say but when you're like a little girl and you sort of get physically grabbed your gut instinct is like danger yeah and then it's just someone going can I have a selfie? It's intrusive though, isn't it? But then because I like people and I like interacting with human beings and that's the thing I miss the most about anonymity is like I just like going into shops and like having a chat. Like I just like chatting.

Me too. And so when that goes, you feel a bit. So then when someone's asking me for a selfie, I want to be able to provide for them what it is that they're after and I feel like I signed up for it. Like I knew what was going on. So I've just been trying to navigate how I can do it without feeling like my, soul is completely empty because they don't really want to talk to you. I know, that sounds really sad.

They just want to be seen with you. Yeah, and then you're like, I'm nice to meet you. My name is Amelia. You love to get great. So when you do like a signing thing, then you get to actually look into their eyes and have like a, do you not have like a proper human thing? Because it's a really weird thing. But when did it start getting really weird?

It started to get to like fever pitch around season seven when I was going through this thing of being so tired all the time. I got woken up on a plane, do you know what I mean? I was like, I was fast to sleep against the window, had like drool. And you had drool because you know when you wake up and you're like, and I was being woken up by someone shaking me awake and was like,

can I get a selfie? And I was like, babe, I'm really sorry, but I've only got like an hour to sleep and I kind of need it. Like, okay. Fuck off. You can't say fuck off, but fuck off. That's rude.

I think you should say. Why did they not protect you? You weren't in economy, Amelia. Good God. On that particular one, no, it was an easy, Jay, I think. No, that was, I can't remember, because when you're flying to Belfast

and you just want to get home. It was easy, yeah. Because I would do, on the last, we would wrap on like, hopefully we would wrap at like seven on a Friday night. Yeah, but. And I would, exactly, and I would, literally, there was an AD on the show.

It was like, I've never seen anyone wrap quicker than you. Look up, because I'm like, well, the hair and makeup girls want to go home. They don't want to wait around for me. So, well, I don't want to go home. So, yeah. So you mean home London? Home London. Yeah. So I would whip that wig off as quickly as we could do it so that everyone could go off for a drink. I mean, sometimes I'm literally like ripping skin off as I'm putting up.

Oh my God. I'm going to get in the car to get on the plane and then I would land in London at like 11 on a Friday night and then I'd go out with my mates to the pub and stay up and see them and then have Saturday and then Sunday morning I'd get back on a plane and go to Elfax. Oh, Jesus Christ. So those kind of flights where you're, I was just trying so hard to. like still have a life of some kind when you're shooting those kind of things which is where living with your brother is kind of amazing yeah and I but I guess yeah it's that juggling act and then you just kind of feel like you're not really doing anything yeah exactly exactly

you feel apologetic to your friends maybe like a partner it's like no that's it and then your hours sometimes we'd be doing like from like waking up from yeah from getting in the car to getting back home to the flat you sometimes would have done like a 14 hour day and when you're doing six day weeks and we're...

I'm complaining about a very cushy job. No, no, no, no, no. No, no. I understand it. Mom, it's a 10 out of 10. Oh my God, that is... You don't think it needs some salt. Listeners, you need to...

I've heard this being eaten before because I'm obsessively listening to your podcast and always going, what does it taste like? What does it taste like? It tastes like heaven. It's got to try the matts before. That is absolutely amazing. At this time of year, yeah.

I absolutely well with a bit of my... Oh my God. All day. All day long. This is genuinely food for your soul. This is like... Oh my God. You'd be ill just to eat this all the time.

I know. Can we talk about... Can we talk about... Yes. Your double brain hemorrhage, stroke, aneurism, post first season. of Game of Thrones. I can't even imagine

you were how old? I was 22. No, no, just 23. Oh God, what was I? I keep for getting young. I was 22, 23, which one I genuinely keep the game. Someone will be like, quick maths, Amelia, well done.

Yeah, so I was young, but I was so great, like literally I'd seen one television camera before doing Game of Thrones. So like the buildup to the first brain hemorrhage was massive because it was the first season of the show

was genuinely one of the most happiest seasons we've ever done because it was everyone just being like I don't know, I was right. Did you think it was going to be a big thing? This is the thing that I mean, with such sincerity, I was just so over the moon to have a job. Like everyone keeps me like,

but you're doing HBO and now I'm like, yeah, I get it. I absolutely get why someone would be like, oh, did you feel weird about signing up for that many seasons? or like did you kind of, were you aware of what it was going to be? But I cannot stress enough how little I knew about anything. So I was just over the moon to be a part of something.

And I think maybe some of the back of my brain was like, oh, this is like a very big thing. But I've never, ever, ever wanted to, again, this is instilled from family stuff. But like, I've never wanted to be reliant on success or on my job from being the thing that makes me feel value. Do you know what I mean? So I would always err on the side of caution.

I would always be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but we don't know. And I could get fired at any point. Like, half empty. Yeah, kind of like a... Yeah, my glass is always overspilling for people, but for my own stuff, for my own work, I'm always like, well, let's just assume it's going to be crap.

So we're protecting yourself, is it? 100%. Yeah. 100 million percent. I do not. Yes, please. I'll get it. I'll get it.

Mm. So, so you. So, so you. You wrap Game of Thrones Or had it come out by this point? No, we'd wrapped it. So you are having a bit of time off. First kind of proper acting job

And you're like, fucking... And then what happened? And I got... So yeah, then I went to... So we wrapped that at Christmas and then I went to America and did a bit of press for the show. Like, Amelia Clarkie.

What do you have the same as to me? Clarke. Me and Sean Bean on a panel. Very funny. And then I got American agents. and then like just doing all of that kind of stuff and then came back to my flat in Dalston head spinning

not really knowing what I'm meant to be doing but like reading exciting scripts from America and feeling like oh my god this is this is really exciting I have a career I have a career and then was in the gym one morning and like dragged myself there like fully it was so tired

but was on a television show and was being an actress and was like I'm now meant to work out right okay so I'm going to do what everyone is insistent idea telling me to do it and I'm going to get on a treadmill and I was with, I'd got this personal trainer from the gym so he was working me out

and I was doing the plank and before then I remember I was doing what was on like the cross train and whatever and just went oh my God I'm so tired no push through it push through it push through it and then I'd do another thing and be like oh my god I'm so tired no no no push through you can do it and then doing the plank

and I suddenly went oh my god I've got the most excusating head I don't know what's going on You were basically having a hemorrhage then. It's literally, I remember it really, obviously really vividly. It's like an elastic band just went like snap around your brain. Like that's the only way I can describe it. So you could actually feel that sensation.

Oh my God, yeah. And it was just like, boom, in a second suddenly, imagine your whole brain is just being shrink-wrapped and squeezed. And then I started to feel incredibly ill and I like crawled to the loo. was being really, I'm not going to do this well, we're out too, but not well. This is all at the gym. This is all at the gym and the Lou in the gym. And then this woman whose face I've never, I can only, all I knew was her voice,

popped me in the recovery position and got the ambulance to come. And they didn't know what it was. And they were like, this is really weird because you're young. You're young and like, you're just tired. And I kept trying to, yeah. But I was, when I was being ill, I knew I was being brain damaged. I was in that toilet stall just being like, I absolutely know this is brain damage.

not happening. Like it's 100% not happening. This is not the way my life is going to go. I'm going to be an actress. This is like, and it was just like the as strong as the pain was this like fight that was just like not not happening. Wiggling my fingers and toes so I was like

okay what's brain damage? Brain damages. You're going to be paralysed. Okay so you're probably slipping into a coma so you probably shouldn't go to sleep so like move your fingers and toes move your legs where's your mom from? What's your dad's name? What lines from the show? Like what's your full name? Like trying to keep myself awake, literally, and like moving.

No, I was kind of, and they didn't know what it was, so they couldn't give me any drugs. So I was just there in, like... So what, did they give you an MRI scan? It took them a really long time. Because you couldn't speak. Yeah, and it was the weirdest thing,

so I've never said this before, but it was the, it was the strangest thing. I remember really vividly being in, they'd put me in a room in A&E, like just off the main bit, and it was a rowdy, Saturday night and some and I'm drifting in and out of consciousness and like still haven't had any pain medication and I got my mom my dad and my brother all in the room with me and I just can't

move my head I can't do anything and I hear what is obviously someone just I'm quite jumpy anyway but I heard what was someone obviously throwing a chair or like it started to get rowdy because it's a Saturday night and you've got a lot of like there's a lot of stuff going on and I thought it was a gunshot and apparently I bolted up right and was like lock the door and and then just passed out again. Because there was like some weird bit of my brain that was like aware of danger and was like family must be safe

and just went... Anyway, that was all very dramatic. Then the nurse saw that... The nurse whose husband was a brain surgeon was like, I think you need a brain scan. I think that's what you need. And then after that they realised what it was and like I got into the most amazing hospital.

Yeah, literally. Yeah. I mean, it was... I mean, so it took a while for them to work it out. Well, I think probably because she was so young. They just didn't imagine.

No one assumed that that's what it would be. And they kept, you know, to be honest, they're a bit like, you're taking any drugs? Like, what are you doing? They always think it's drugs with strokes, don't they? Yeah, exactly. In young people.

In young people, yeah. And I was just so lucky at like every turn. I was just crazy, crazy lucky. How'd you have the double hemorrhage by that point? No, so that was just one. And then they said, one. Well, yeah, so that was it. So then they worked. We did the operation, da-da-da, but there was...

So what is the operation that they would do? So with this one, they did a non-invasive one. So they go through your femur artery, and they go all the way around your heart and into your brain, and they plug it with little wires. And so, because if you imagine that when your brain is being formed, I was born with a weakness, which you can never detect. And as your brain goes into the two sides, that weakness is reflected on, but mirrored on both sides. So, this is basically like a little bit of your vein is just a bit weak as it as the blood pumps around it just turns into a bubble so is that an aneurysm so you can see that on a scan yeah and then it and then if you get enough blood pressure going round so like I've never done thank god I've never done cocaine because that would have killed me on the spot um because the amount of blood pressure that goes around and so with that bleed like as it's open it's just free blood going around and it all just kill whatever bit of the brain that blood is going on you were kind of lucky to be a love. Well, yeah.

Had you been in the wrong place? Completely. At the wrong time. Completely. On a beach in Thailand. And my brain was smart. What it did was, so when you've got, when there's a bit of your brain that doesn't get any blood to it, it dies, it's gone.

But what my brain did then was find another way around. And then it just kept running. I'm still getting a lot of free blood in the body, which like your body is not used to and doesn't really like. But so what they did is they filled that. When you say free blood? Like loose. just blood, not in a vein. So just in your brain.

Internal bleeding? You still get it. No, no, no, no. As in that's what happens. That's what was happening. Okay, fine. And then, and so then that little bit, they fill with wires

so that the blood can continue going around on its normal course and doesn't just keep escaping. So that was the first procedure. And then they were like, you've got another one on the side. It's too small to operate on, just keep an eye on it. And then two years later,

I'm doing a play on Broadway. Shit. I'm on the last day of my SAG medical so I went, because I was getting bi-annual scans at that point, like every six months or something. SAG medical is... SAG medical is...

SAG medical is... You have medical insurance. It's just insurance. Yeah, medical insurance. Yeah. Yeah. So I went in and they they were like, you need to operate on this now. It's actually doubled in size since your last scan.

So I was like, oh, I don't really want to see, but okay. I've got a little board way. Yeah, yeah. Well, I just finished the play. So I was like, what am I going to do next? And was just beginning to feel a little bit stronger from the first. from the first one. And they were like, we'll just do the same procedure.

So to prevent it from ever, we'll put the wires in so that it like strengthens that little vulnerable bubble that could burst. It sounds like a really petrifying operation. Yeah. So then I was like, okay, fine, but I'll be around in two hours and they made it all cushy and it was all cool.

And then when I come round, they've brought me around because the wires got stuck and it was a bigger bleed than the last time. and they were like the only way that we're going to save you is if we cut your head open and do it the old-fashioned way which is clamping it. So that's when they cut your head open. I'm so sorry listeners.

Cut your head open and take out a bit of your skull and then they go in and then that little balloon they just get a clamp and just clamp it at there. So that's sturdy as anything. So you've still got the balloon in there that's clamped. Well, no, because it ruptured. And then they're probably all distant. and then they pop up.

Probably all gone now, somewhere in my brain. But then they clamp it. But then what you're recovering from is you're recovering from open brain surgery as well as the bleed. And then I'd like died for a minute and they were, they told my parents I was not going to make it. And then they told my parents I was going to be permanently paralysed. And then this is all happening in like an eight, nine, ten hour operation. You were supposed to just go in for a procedure. Yeah.

And it, because it sometimes goes wrong. Sometimes. And this was obviously just a bit too small. What was the repercussions once you woke up? Once I woke up, it was. it was just like both times waking up after that kind of surgery both times I in the beginning you really can't move so like my peripheral my vision was just like what I could see here and you can only it's this mad thing you've got such a sense memory of both times coming around and being like you're aware of the noises first but you've never been in the room before and you have no idea what's happened you've no idea what's going on you're trying to piece everything together and work it all out and then um the main thing that happens when you've had that kind of surgery is the first week and a half you're just sick to your stomach and all you want is water but then you throw it up immediately so it's this like this parched thirst thing that you and it's because you've had all of the

thing the tubes down your throat and all that stuff so the second one it took me a really long time to kind of get my self together was with the first one because it wasn't such an invasive thing i think it was i was in i was aware of how much pain i was in and i was aware of all of that kind of stuff but that happened quicker than with the second one where I kind of just felt like out of it the entire time was it very I mean did people talk about it at the time because I've only heard about this recently well no so I kept it silent yeah until eight months ago so how does how did it impact on did you have to delay going back to game of phones because no so that was thing because I didn't with the first one I couldn't let them know what'd happen until they

until they knew I wasn't going to die so it took him three weeks took us three weeks weeks to be like sorry for not answering the old emails I've just been a bit I'm fine by the way everything's great I'm totally fine I'm gonna be back to work nothing's wrong with me it's all good because I just was and consistently so scared of being fired

for whatever reason so it's just like no I know but that was just that I mean that was me more than I had no idea how well taken care of I was so you set up the charity recently well it's you launched it this year we launched it yeah we launched it yeah we launched it

eight months ago and from the first one I was like I have to I've like my life has been saved I've got to give back I have to give back and was just going to get like a sofa for the family room because the family room like my parents would never complain but like they looked in pain all the time and then I was like I know what can I do for the nurses how can I get back that way and we were trying to figure it out and every time I'd think about it I was like no we can't just get you know obviously we sent them nice things but like I wanted to actually do something significant And then when the second one happened, I was just like, I'm meant to be here

and so I need to like do something with this. Like this is ridiculous that I'm still alive and here and I'm here because of all these amazing people. So then we started brainstorming as to what it could be. And then I wasn't going to tell my story because I would go in and out of like, I'd be doing press and then I'd suddenly go, Emilio, imagine you're telling the story right now.

And it freaked me out and I just felt not ready because I kept a secret from everyone for so long. and I was so scared and I was so ashamed and I was all of those things and then, because it was my mum who's kind of created this with me. Oh, great. Amazing businesswoman.

Amazing having your mum. She also, they always said it was genetic and then January after my dad died so it was 2017, she woke up with vertigo and they thought she was having a stroke so they took her into the hospital and then they did a brain scan and saw that she had an aneurysm and it hadn't ruptured.

So she had to have the provoked. So she had to have the preventive procedure that went amazingly and all good. And then we just slowly but surely worked out what it is that we wanted to do. And then we tried to figure out how we could do it without telling my story. And then I was like, well, no one would care. So I have to do it. And we've got to do it. And then as soon as I did, it was like, oh, wow, that's actually a real weight off.

Because I'd get interviewed all the time and they'd be like, what's happened to you in your life? And I'm like, nothing, nothing. I've just been doing this TV show. Like, that's it. There's nothing I can speak to. And so then getting to say it was kind of liberating and frightening. How did you choose to say it? So I did a piece in The New Yorker because I didn't want a big song and dance.

I basically was just like people are going to be like, oh, celebrity sob story like we care. But then they ended up with pictures of you in hospital in the mail online. I know. Well, that was something that I put that picture of myself up because I was like, this picture is going to like just address the problem even more. And they see me standing there looking all capable done, having done all the stuff that I've done. And then it becomes clickbaity and not... Yeah, exactly.

But then more people read about it. Yeah, no, exactly. So that's fine. You want to read about the thing that happened to me and therefore reading about the charity and how they can help. Then that would be really good. So how does the charity help?

Is it just... So the charity itself is a grant-giving charity. What's it called, first of all? Same you. Same you. Same you.org. There you go. Good.

Yeah, good. So we are essentially a grant-giving body. So people will come and say, we need money to do this. and we will, the board and everyone all get together and decide, yes, that's something. And then we will oversee that project and make sure that it's all doing. Who do you think was most significant in your recovery? My recovery, I mean...

Besides your parents. Yeah, significant in my recovery, this is going to sound real nuff. Get ready for it, ladies and gentlemen. Genuinely, the most significant person in my recovery was Mother of Dragons. She was the actual thing that got me out of bed every day. Yeah, fully. the show like you've got to be on, imagine if it happened to you and you've got to be on stage, guess what you're probably getting on stage. You've got like it's, do you know what I mean?

It's your, it's your identity. It's the thing that you get to not sit there and go, oh my God, I feel really awful. And you go, yeah, complete escapism, exactly. So it turned into that. I think genuinely that the show was absolutely the thing that just like saved me because it distracted me. It got me back to work. Yes, I was exhausted. Yes, I still had this crazy. easy amount of fatigue and like mad anxiety you thought I was going to die all the time and couldn't tell anyone I was feeling a bit kind of so then then because

I wasn't saying to anyone it became this thing of like well then she's my character is the thing that's gonna so then every job that I did I would kind of just funnel it all into there and not really look at it at all and just kind of was aware that I was going to do a charity later on and was going to try and help me bring it back and do you think maybe that's why you work so hard as well is it like yeah is it a way of kind of dealing

and coping with this fact that you've had these pretty... Yeah, I mean, I've... I've always... Because my dad was in the crew, the thing that he, like, instilled in me was professionalism. And, like, you turn up on time, and you're not a dick, and you know your lines, and you are nice to everyone. Make your marks.

Like, it's... Do your marks. Exactly. Like, it's just really simple, and that's, like, just be a professional. Like, it all turns just to be professional, because then you can't go wrong. Like, no matter how well you've done it.

and that scene or whatever, like you can just, just be nice, just be like a good person. And so, regardless of the brain haemages, I would have always put my everything into it. But I definitely think that I probably did it

with much more ferocity, like a genuinely more worried about getting fired than I was about, um, dying. You know what I mean? Because you did, because it's like a rational thing you can think about.

Like when you're early 20s and you've got to consider your own mortality. I just didn't. My dad died and then I was like, oh death. Right. Yeah. How old was your dad when he died? 69.

It's just too young. Yeah, too young. She said who's 68? Yeah, no, my mom's 70. Like it's, yeah, it's, it was too, it was just way too young. But that made me think about death more than being close to it and having, you know, but yeah, been very close to it. Thank you. It wasn't cats from it.

It's actually amazing. Antchievous. Emulsion. My favorite. Okay, great. I love anchovy. But it does with it all day. What do you do with your potatoes?

I don't know. Put them in a bowl. Do you want me to do them? Sorry. Yeah, only because I want to serve up for the munk. All right. Do you like munch? Yes, the king of the fishes.

That monkfish is so good. Is it? That is so good. You're so sweet. No, no, no, I'm not being sweet. I'm being completely honest. Mm-mm. That is delicious.

Yum. Okay, so you listen to this podcast. You know what the questions are. Last supper. I know this is so this is a question that I ask myself, people around me at like all the time

and so it changes all the time and that's fine right it would begin definitely with oysters I've decided from anywhere in particular I don't know just really good juicy yummy oysters

that doesn't have so much of memory attached to it but with some like epic bread and butter and the oysters need to have the red wine, shallot, vinaigret, and loads of lemon. So it'd be that. And then the rest of my whole meal is basically just dad's stuff.

Because I was like, if I could have a meal from anywhere, I'd just want my dad's cooking back. And then there's so many to choose from that I was really trying to figure out what it was. But if I were to be doing this last meal in, like, Christmas time, then I think it wouldn't be his club sandwich. It wouldn't be his amazing macaroni cheese

that I used to have mature cheddar and, like, thick cut, smoky bacon and parmesan. and like it was next level. It wouldn't be that. It would be, he used to make this beef stew with orange that was like mental. It was so good with his sweet potato mash alongside it. And then he would always just grill veggies, just like char-grilled kind of veggies. And then he made this, it would be a, the dessert would be a toss-up between a crumble.

With thick custard, I would probably need apple. And I'd need that crumble to be barely cooked. Do you know what I mean? Some chewy bits on the top and then basically like raw as you get closer to the fruit. But would you do a mixture, apple and plum, or is it just apple? I think maybe apple and blackberry, because he used to have that as a kid quite a lot. But then my dad, it would either be that or it would be my dad used to make poached red wine pairs with his homemade amaretto ice cream. Oh, wow.

Oh my God. And little amaretto biscuits. It is the yummiest thing So he'd always make it look really pretty on the plate And then you've just got syrup, red wine syrup And then the poached pear And then loads of homemade amaretto ice cream Amaretto just the broken up amaretto biscuits

The booze Oh the boos And it makes it really soft So it's really, really, really good And then to drink Do you have his recipes? I've got them in my head Yeah

Because he used to No, no his famous thing he used to do all the time that I definitely can't do myself is just his white wine ginger garlic lemon chicken marinated chicken but you marinate it for like a day and then you'd just grill it

and then we would and then the next morning that sauce that was in it would turn it to jelly and you'd have that on bread and it's so good you'd have the jelly it was so good yeah yeah yeah like you could just have like a spoonful of the jelly and it would just like done with all of the smosing stuff

so that is but I mean there's a million other meals that I'm not saying that like it would... And would it be bubbles with it? Well so that's the thing. It would definitely... The oysters need the champagne. But then I think...

I think with that meal... Oh no way am I kidding yet. It'd be champagne the whole way through. But then finishing off with a dessert wine. And then some like chocolates. Like, you know how you're doing in posh restaurants and you've got the kind of... Petty fours, exactly.

So you can like round it off. So do you host a lot? Mm-hmm. When you have time. Mm-hmm. So like what was the last dinner party that you did? And what did you cook? I can't remember what was the last thing I cooked.

What did you have on the menu? The last thing, the last hosting I've done a lot is just like parties. Like parties parties, like, fat, dirty house parties. Okay, so what, oh my God, does that still happen? Yeah. Oh, wow. Because I really love my house and it's really easy and like the last one that we did. But don't people wreck it?

Isn't that point not to have a house party? They've always been all right. Okay, fine. I do also have a little kind of bar. area in my house. Oh. So you can make things really easily. There's a...

There's a beer thing. Yeah. Oh my God, you have like a pub in your... Yeah. In my house. Is that... But you're not... You can only drink one drink.

So you just like to entertain for other people. I really like to entertain for other people. But one of them is beer and the other one is prosceco. Oh. Wow. Yes. But then it was taking me, it really didn't take me long for me to realize that Roseco had run out.

And then everyone was like, oh, I want to get that bruscicc on tap. And I was like, oh shit. I should probably refill. that one because I was been more concerned about like and then I had an IPA on that was 16% and I didn't realize because I don't really drink beer I always whenever I'm in the pub and people are drinking beer

because for a million different reasons I don't really drink it I'll always have sips of theirs so I end up drinking other people's I'm a nightmare I end up drinking other people's drinks because as soon as someone's got a glass of beer in their hand I'm like I've got have it you like the taste of it I love it I absolutely love it yeah exactly so I'm like one glug and then I'm done and then I'll carry it with my shampers You know what? You've just given me like a proper movie star thing.

And I really appreciate that because I like that you've got a pub in your house. It's, so I... No, I'd like to say it's a cocktail bar. What is it? What did you call it? It was my shed and then I turned it into a bar. So it's at the back of your garden? Yeah.

At the end of your garden? It's, I don't need a shed. I mean, I've got a courtyard garden. It's got like trees in it. And but there's, but that's it. So how many people can the shed fit? Not very many. Okay.

But we ram it. And then I made it glass everywhere. So I wanted it to look like a great. it gets people are. Basically, everywhere in my house is, everything's always a bit, it's a bit weird. You sort of don't know what you're going to get around the corner. Because I had, I didn't buy my own house for ages and ages. Like, I've only been living in this house for about a year and a half. Um, because I kind of just, you know, sorted other, made sure everyone was good before I, uh, and so I'd had all of this time to dream up what I wanted to look like.

and I love interior design. Like, I love it. Oh, do you want to do mine? Maybe I'm fucking sick of it. But I like doing all of the, like, everything's a little. a bit weird and a bit magical. So there's, yeah, so in the bar, it's like, it's bright pink and there's these, like, mirrored tiles everywhere. And it's kind of like a speakeasy sort of vibe. And so there's Prosecco on tap and beer on tap. And then all these bonkers glasses. And it turns into a piece.

Everyone comes round and you like, and you're all crambling in there and there's, like, no room because it's really, really tiny. And it just gets a vibe going. And what's on the playlist? What's on the playlist? Do you play music? There's a lot of crime. when it's my like hardcore friends from because of you know what I mean you're in a circle mates um and this last party that I had we basically waited for everyone to leave and then we just got

on their decks and like put on just just grime just dirty grime and like raved like mad if I had a bar in the house I'd be in there every no yeah we wouldn't get you out but I'd live there mom we've got a shed in the garden do you want to make it into a bar new that is amazing Okay, so mom may have fluffed the pudding a bit. No, actually I think she has fluffed it, so we may have to get your chocolates out. We basically made a chocolate cake that was dairy-free. Oh my God. I thought you were dairy-three.

Yeah, yeah. No, no, I am. We forgot about the gluten part. So basically it's got gluten in it, so you do not have to have it. So I love you. We fucked up, basically. Sorry. So it's there.

You can look at it, you can smell it. We can chuck into one of your chocolates and we've got some raspberries. Perfect. I'm so sorry. And we've got dairy-free ice cream, your Swedish glass. We do have dairy-free ice cream. If you'd like some, but you do not have to. Thank you so much.

If you've like, you know, this is like... Is it my fault? It's my fault. It's not doing so long to... It's our fault. I don't normally take this long to eat. No, it's because I've been asking you a lot of questions. Like, absolutely don't worry.

I just, yeah, I'm also the fastest eater in the world. Amelia Clark. Yes. I can't quite believe that you're in my house, but you've come... My mum's house. You've come over for the chicken. Yes. You've chatted. You've been so lovely. Eat in matzables. Eatin matzables.

Never forget. Yeah. And now you get a teetown. Yes, the detail. There you go. Thank you. It's been such a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Wonderful. DEMs more often now. Yeah, girl.

Dermot O'Leary reminded me of this moment in the podcast, which makes me so proud to do this podcast. It was so touching to hear Amelia talk about her late dad and his love of food and the salad in a bag. And talking about surviving two aneurysms, which she kept so private and she's been so brave. She's fascinating. Also, I'd quite like a bar in my house. Oh, yes. Proseca and beer on tap, sure. Also, I have to say, I was invited to one of her birthday parties, and it was one of the best parties that I've ever been to.

in my life. It was just so fun. It was brilliant. Amelia Clark, you host a mean party lady. She also bought the best presents. Champagne and delicious chocolate. We loved having you, Amelia. In fact, I feel like again, that was 2019. We could have Amelia back on. When do we start saying it's okay to have guests on again?

We'll say. Anyway, that was Amelia Clark on Second Helpings. We'll see you next week for some more Second Helping.