Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Second Helpings - Noel Gallagher

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

For our final episode of this Second Helpings series, we’re joined by an Oasis legend! Mum was over the moon this week to be joined by fellow Mancunian and music legend Noel Gallagher for a spot of brunch back in series 15. Mum and Noel got on like a house on fire sharing all their tales from up north. Noel shared a few vital revelations; that he always drinks tea with goats milk, he’s only ever had one driving lesson, he didn’t try a boiled egg until he turned 30 (!!), and his favourite weekend of the year is getting pissed and watching the Eurovision Song Contest! We have absolutely loved our trip down memory lane, thank you for being on the ride with us! We will be back before you know it for our next series, which we can exclusively reveal will be back in October! More exciting details to follow soon... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Table Manners second helping. Well darling, I think hell has frozen over. Why do you think so? Well, we had a guest on and I said, are you going to make friends with our kid? Will you ever perform together again? And he said it would have to be an extraordinary series of events for this to happen. Well, it has. It could be the fact that he has a very expensive divorce or that his family has encouraged them to make amends. Yeah, please his mum. But Oasis are going on tour, reuniting. And we had Noel Gallagher on the podcast.

And we can't wait for the reunion. We can't. I've got friends who are still 150,000th in the queue, Sophie Lee. She'd sent me a picture, said I'm 150,000th in the queue. The one thing I would say, I think I'd rather get in at the Cardiff concert than wait to see if they carry on

their reconciliation where they carry on to Heaton Park. I loved this episode with Noel. I don't know why I loved it so much because he'd already had breakfast when he turned up. I'd made some really nice eggs with asparagus and he'd already eaten. He also brought his own tea bags because he didn't think that I would have Yorkshire tea in my house. Well, ye of little faith, Noel Gallagher. I did. We had a gorgeous morning. He was so funny. He wasn't as scary. I thought I was a bit scared to meet him and he wasn't half as scary as I thought he was going to be.

He was brilliant. He came on to talk about his new album with High Flying Birds, which was called Council Skies. And the funny thing that he did talk about in this episode was saying that he wasn't a big fan of stadiums and arenas. Oh, well. Well, I'm so sorry. Eat your words, Noel. I'm so sorry, Noel Gallagher.

You're gonna have to be doing a lot of them because you've sold out the whole tour. It's going to be the one concert that everyone is gonna, I think, will it be bigger than Taylor Swift? I think so. Yeah, I think so too. It's a huge cultural event. Well, there might be older people than Taylor Swift. I'm so excited, but also I really enjoyed this episode and I thought he was brilliant.

He was very candid. He was an open book. He is funny. He's really funny. He's great fun. You two went head to head. Yeah. Both mancs, darling. And if he does need me to warm up the crowd for that audience participation. Oh you're there. You know, well no I'm not there. You see darling if you supported City not United. Maybe I would have got the support. You'd have got the gig. Yeah imagine me with my disco and my whips before the Oasis. I think they'd be like what is going going on? But you know what, Noel?

I'm here if you need me. So this is Table Manor's second helpings with Noel Gallagher. Noel Gallagher, thank you very much for being here. You've come and we've got you a goats milk Yorkshire tea, gold. Don't judge me. I am a bit goats milk. I've kept my accent but I've jettisoned my drinking, my milk habits. And you drink Yorkshire tea? Yorkshire, yeah. Can't drink anything else but I've been to thousands of those things on tour with me. Do you? Bring bags? Yorkshire, yeah. Can't drink anything else. But I bring thousands of those things on tour with me.

Do you? Binbugs full of it, yeah. Why do you like goat's milk, darling? It just happened to be in the fridge once and my ex-wife was drinking it and I kind of thought, oh that's it, that's alright. When my kids said, why do you drink goat's milk? And I said, because I'm the greatest of all time.

Oh, that's very good. And I said, only the best can drink it and they were like yeah what is that actually and I was like yeah actually it's only me and Lionel Messi drink it, David Bowie drank it and John Lennon I believe. Oh so you are. He's joking. No you're not. Oh you're teasing. I'm listening gullibly thinking yeah I can rely on this Manchester person to tell the truth. Your accent's coming back all of a sudden. He knows Cheatham Hill, Jess. Of course he fucking does. She does that thing where she says I'm from Manchester and then says she's from Salford which is actually not in Manchester. It's next to Cheatham. So where my bit is off Leicester, do you know Leicester Road? I do, I know of it. Right, so I'm at the top of Leicester,

well that's where my mum used to live. All right, so what brought you down these neck of the woods? Love. No, it wasn't love at all. I went to university in Birmingham. All right. And then everyone wanted to come to London.

I guess, yeah. And I did social work and I got a job here. All right. And that's, so I went to Manchester High. Me too. Which one did you go to? No, I mean a job here. All right. And that's, so I went to Manchester High. Me too. Which one did you go to? No, I was high. Yeah.

Very good. So I went to school there. I went to Manchester High all the time, actually. I've still got friends in Manchester, and I love Manchester. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love going back to see my mum. Where's your mum living?

She still lives in the same council house that we... Does she? Yeah, yeah. She lives in a place called Burnage, which is right in the south side. Oh, it's not just Burnage. No, it was. Was it? It was, yeah. Did you go to Burnage School? No, no, no. I went to a school called St Mark's in Didsbury.

I was... I was originally born in Longsite. Yeah. Just where Longsite Market is. And then they knocked our houses down to build this new fangle thing called a super to a hypermarket and it was the new as does and uh we got moved to this posh part of town which was called burnage and uh i can show you it's not posh anymore and i went to a place called st marx in didsbury are you catholic yeah for my for my is that is that why you went to st marx rather than burn it well i went to st mar's because my parents suggested I might want to go there Okay, you know, yeah, I didn't go because i'm a firm believer in jesus christ was it was it stripped

catholic schools in the seven well They're not as they weren't as brutal as probably the 50s, but it was an all-boys school And there was like hundreds in each class. So I didn't, I bunked off school for three months and nobody noticed. And my school was that big that my mum was actually one of the head dinner ladies and she didn't even notice.

And I used to go in just to have dinner. What were you doing when you were bunking up? Glue sniffing. Doing magic mushrooms. How old were you? I would have been 13, 14. And then when she finally got the letter, then I said to her, we haven't seen Noel for three months. And she went, well, I've seen him every day.

She said, well, he can't be seen for three months. And I would just go in for dinner And then I still think she never really forgave me for that until I paid on top of the pops and then she was like, okay But we get off playing a guitar Drunk just just listening actually listening to a lot of music. So yeah What was great on uh glue to listen to? Anything? These are the hard hitting questions. Yeah. What music is great on glue? Well I've got a glue funnily enough I've got a glue playlist that I've made up before. You haven't. That I made up before I came here. Glue is not or wasn't conducive to listening to music. But what was great on Glue was that you would hallucinate

rather vividly. Did you ever write a song about it? About glue sniffing? Well, no. No, no, no, no, no. Some of the punks did, no. Back to food and the food and actual food. Was the food good at St Marks?

Standard school food. I'm not sure. School food these days... You went in every day or was that just to make sure your mum didn't go in? Yeah, I wasn't going in because the food was great. I was going in because I was trying to keep the subterfuge going. But um yeah standard school food like everything with chips and it wasn't as healthy as these things are now. You know my kids go to school and there's vegan options and vegetarian this and gluten free that and uh I sometimes feel a bit sorry for them they just want steak kidney pie and chips,

mashed potatoes and you know, apple crumble. But it's all got a bit posh these days, hasn't it? There's a big Catholic school opposite Heaton Park, isn't there? There is. Have you ever played at Heaton Park? Yes, I have. I actually went to see the Pope there when he came, believe it or not. Did you go?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like a massive great big deal. Everyone went. Yeah, everywhere. Is that where the... But it's big deal. Yeah, everyone worked. Yeah, everyone. Is that where the... But it's like the only semesters that had ever been. But is that where the SoRosers did their big... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, Heaton Park... Did Oasis ever play there? We did. Yeah, they have a festival on there. I think I might be playing there this year. Not Parklife. Yeah, so, yeah. Is it called Parklife? You didn't know that.

No, you wouldn't do Parklife. It's quite dancey, I don't think. No, but they have these festivals on there, and I've played it as a solo artist. I know Ace has played a few nights there. You're doing Wythenshawe Park. Yeah, this August. I didn't even know they had gigs at Wythenshawe Park. They don't, this is the first one. This is the inaugural one, yeah.

That's amazing. They're going to do it now as an annual thing and... Why aren't you playing at the City Stadium? Because I'm not popular enough. Oh bollocks! All the City supporters would go. Just get other people would go. Get Harland on base.

Well you would hope that they would, but I'm not willing to take that risk and neither are my promoters. My High Flying Bird sing is not stadium friendly. It was, arenas is my kind of level and I don't even like doing arenas. I love that. Arenas is my level, sure. I'm just trying to get out of academies. Jessie, you want to do an arena? I don't know, do you like arenas? No, I don't like them. I prefer theatres. There's more of a vibe with the... I think when you're playing arenas, or this is what I think anyway,

I don't know whether I've been tough on myself, every time I go to see someone in an arena, they've got this larger than life thing where they interact with the crowd. I've literally got nothing to say apart from the music. So I'm better if I'm in a... I think you have. Well, things like this, yeah, but from the music. So I'm better if I'm in a... I think you have. Well, things like this, yeah, but not in between songs.

I'm not... Oh, Jesse's like... I can't even bother asking everybody how they're doing. I'm like Ricky Lam. How you doing? Some guy in the front going, actually I'm not too well at the minute. I'm not too well.

I don't... The audience participation thing has yet to reach me. I think I'd like to let the music do the talking. You need a gay crowd like Jess's. Well, actually they've limited how much I can speak because I was speaking too much, it was becoming like a chat show. Really? So they've actually limited it to now. You've got someone on the side of the stage doing this.

No, I just like, the songs go into each one so we make it more like a dance set because otherwise I'd be like, what's your name, where'd you come from? Yeah. So it's been a problem. Well that's how Billy Connolly became a comedian because he was in a band with the guy that wrote Baker Street, you know, that famous song. I've directed it. Jerry Rafferty and they were a folk duo and Billy Connolly used to do the in-between song patter and used to tell these stories and at one point the stories got so long that Jerry Rafferty said, you know, I think you want to do your own thing from now on.

It was kind of like he were doing like one song, a 20 minutes of a funny story from Billy Connolly. And that's how he got to do the stand up. Maybe we should go on tour together. Maybe I should do the music and you should do the chit chat. Yeah, I know. Well, let's take it back to the beginning. When your mum wasn't doing dinner lady duty,

what was she cooking at home? And what's a really memorable dish from your childhood? Well I come from a very Irish family. Is your mum Irish? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But does she speak with an Irish accent? Oh good lord yes. Oh so she's proper Irish?

Oh yes, she's as Irish as they come, yeah. She is insane. So she's from a family of 11 and she's got seven, the seven, and five of the seven all moved to Manchester at the same time. They all live in the same council estate within walking distance from each other. And of course, being Irish, they all had about 14 kids each.

So it was a big kind of Irish family. So it was all Irish cooking, which is like stews and, you know, I never had a boiled egg until I was 31. Did you like? That's a boiled egg until I was 31. Did you? That's a true story. No. I was on my 30th birthday someone said you should you know you should try something you've never tried before on my 30th birthday and I was like I've never had a boiled egg and I boiled egg and soldiers and I now eat eggs. Do you love them? Yeah I love them. Particularly that point a few years ago when they said you know what they don't

actually give you cholesterol. And you're like, right, crack on with the fucking eggs then. I eat eggs every day, two eggs and two slices of bread. You already had eggs then? I have, yeah. But it's for God's sake. Well, okay, you can have another one. Jesse, he probably didn't fancy what you were cooking

and he thought you better eat first, I told you. I gave you three options. Maybe you didn't come to me. So you didn't come to me I'm afraid. Well don't worry you've got the lightest option which is lucky. Or you can have a slice of cake. Well what are the options? Well now there is one option.

I went ahead and decided. Why did you give three options and then made the decision? Because it's Noel Gallagher and I was like... I felt like he'd have an opinion on these kind of things. She said she'd give you three options. You'd wait until you'd chosen it. Only the goats get here. I don't want to start a family feud here.

This is just normal. I want to know which part of Ireland was your mum from? She's from a place called County Mayo, which is on the west side. Yeah, yeah, it's the wild west. Did you like her cooking? Growing up, you have nothing to judge it against because it's just when people cook for you. Do you know what I mean? I don't, I'm not a big, even to this day I'm,

you know, I'm in my mid-50s now and I'm not, I mean I like nice food and all that, but I'm not, I'm not really, I'm not a foodie, do you know what I mean? I won't go, oh my God, that was an amazing piece of salmon. You know what I mean? It's kind of, food is still a function for me. You're hungry, you eat, you know,

you crack on with what you're doing. But I do like going to nice restaurants, but I didn't, your mum's cooking, you can't judge it against anything else. Do you know what I mean? So like when Oasis were really getting big and you were probably being spoiled with the riches of the best restaurants,

was that something that you got a bit excited about or were you like, no, no? No, when we, because we got big quite quickly the kind of blew up quite quick We were still the same kind of five guys that had been in the rehearsal room The year before so we were still hanging out in pubs and we weren't that you know We weren't the healthiest or the most sophisticated bunch, you know, I'd know I'd you know I didn't have I didn't have sushi until I moved to London. I was like, what, raw fish? All right, so what's that all about? What the fuck is that? That looks like the inside of a bicycle tire.

It's like, no, it's octopus. But yeah, I've never been that hugely... Awfully enough, I'm not foodie at all, but I do like watching MasterChef. Me too. I love it. Are you watching it this week? I am watching it, I watch it. I've got it on Series Link at home. Do you like the amateur or do you like the professionals? Do you watch both?

Why I watch it is the same reason that I used to love watching Top Gear. I can't drive, I've never had a driving lesson. I'm not, it's not something. You're joking. I actually, I heard you talking on Zoe Ball about your driving lessons, which was just so hysterical. Well, I've only ever had one.

And the woman was driving around a housing estate in Slough with a Nissan Micra with a big white triangle on the top with a big letter L. And I was thinking, I can't wait. It's like, this is easier past this, get a massive Rolls Royce or something. And she said, can you just pull over here, please? And I pulled over onto the curb and she just unclicked the seatbelt

So I'll be back in a minute. She walked into this house and came back out with her mum Because her mum wanted to meet me And at that point the slow comprehensive the the bell went and for kicking out time and all the all these kids were kind of Looking at me sat in this car and then I drove the car back to my house and I was like okay well I won't be doing that again. That's an awkward drive home. Anyway it never stopped me loving Top Gear which I thought was a great TV program and I used to love it and I love like looking at cars and I think they're

amazing and it's the same with food. I enjoy watching amateurs make it. It's the kind of thing, you know, when you see these people, they're really cooked, you know what I mean? I know, I agree. And I'm thinking, I mean, I can, because I live on my own, I can cook for myself, right? What would you cook? Oh, standard chicken, meat, anything you can put in an argo.

A roast chicken? I can do that, yeah, easy. Argos are pain in the arse, are they actually quite easy? For me they're quite easy. Is your kitchen always hot then? Yes it is. I don't mind it warm, I like it warm. Everyone that comes to my house is like that. What colour is your Argo?

Black. Black. And it is always on, yeah, and it does make the the kitchen quite hot but I like that but I can I could I wouldn't I wouldn't cook for anybody else for fear that I poison them like food poisoning so I'm good at cooking for me but anyone else I'm like do you do pasta I can do so you wouldn't if we were coming around you you just know we'd be well I live I live in I live in the countryside at the minute so we'd be going to the King George pub, the local pub, yeah, which is not bad.

What's your order there? Fish and chips. Speaking of fish and chips, now, because, and you know this anyway, but Felix White is Felix White, who, from the Maccabees, the biggest Noel Gallagher fan in the world. And I had to call him yesterday and I went to school with him. And I watched him, I don't know if I've told you this before,

but I've watched him and Jack Pignate perform Oasis in the talent show when we were in like year 10. And they dressed up and he was Liam, Jack was Noel and he adores you but you know this but he has some food related questions because I was like listen we've got the goat coming and he said okay this is the shit that I need to know. Fish and chips, Zabaleta. Did you say something about respecting Zabaleta for having a fish and chips every Friday? Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, well, so,

there's this football player, he's from Argentina, he used to play for City, and he used to, he lived in Didsbury, I believe, and he used to go to the same chippy every Friday and get fish and chips,, queue up with the natives, and it's like, you know what? Spare that dude for that. Have you ever been to Argentina?

I went recently. It's the most amazing country on the planet. I know it's gorgeous. You say this to people and they go, really? And I'm like, I'm telling you, the people, the food, the people, the vibe, I love it. The best gigs you will ever do ever is in Argentina. I don't know, Sao Paulo was pretty amazing for me.

Metro City. Yeah, for me, I first went to Argentina when I was a roadie for a band in the 80s. I first went in 1988. And it was amazing then. And Oasis used to do the craziest gigs there in football stadiums, like the maddest things you'd ever see in your life. And they'd jump.

Yeah, and they'd go bananas. But it is the most amazing country, I've got to say. The food. Yeah, vegetarians don't get on too well over there, fortunately. No. But they've cut their steak a bit too much. No, you just have to order it a bit less done. Jessie but when they you say that and they think you're slightly odd

not having well done steak. I absolutely love it. Do you like your steak well done? If I'm cooking it at home I'll do it for four and a half minutes. That's quite rare. It's medium rare. Quite rare that I'm cooking at home. Do you have curry sauce with your chips? If I'm up in Manchester I have a chippy, fish chips and curry. Because they don't do curry sauce down here with the chips, do they? No, they don't. All people down here think we just drink pints of gravy. Have you had to educate your children, because they're all Londoners, aren't they? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

So have you had to educate them about the Mancunian way? My kids do a very good condescending Mancunian accent. They're like, all right. All right. All right, dad. And when I take them to the football, they love, so when we go to the city's home games up in Manchester, they will go in a box and all that.

But when we go away, they love going on the terraces with the city fans. And trying to talk man. No, they just love all the characters that you know that's like Manchester is there well it's difficult for warmth well I defy you not to talk to someone all right yeah but wouldn't everybody say that about the city that they were born and then No, no, no, no, no, no, Jesse, Jesse, Manchester. London belongs to England, doesn't really belong to Londoners, do you know what I mean? I don't think I've ever met anyone from London in London.

They're all, are you actually from London? Yes, I'm from London. My kids are born and bred in London, but I don't, I think Manchester is, I mean, I love it. It's very, there's a lot of funny characters up there and still to this day the people which are making The club scene was fun. When I grew up, the Twisted Wheel I used to go to Which was an amazing place to go to. We used to go to Time and Place Right We used to hang out to see if we could see George Best anywhere

I used to go to George Best's house on a Sunday because you know he lived in that big glass house Yeah, yeah, yeah And people used to go and he literally lived so lived so he was like one of the Beatles right yeah and he lived in this big glass house just outside of Manchester and people used to go for a Sunday day out in the 70s just to stand at the end of his driveway Oh you weren't getting invited in? No! He used to stand there to watch! So this was like being in the the hills. Well, it was like this futuristic glass, it was a futuristic glass box of a house and

you could see him watching TV with Miss World and he would just go. Miss World. Yeah. And you could, yeah we used to go to his house and just stand there. Just to see if you could see. Not as kids. My parents used to take us there. That's amazing. Right, and it would be like families would just be stunned, looking up the gate and I'd see if I could get a glimpse of George Best and I wasn't, I'm not United.

He was so handsome as well. He was gorgeous and he had only ever had blonde women. Yeah yeah yeah. And his nightclub was called Blondes. Yeah, top dude. Yeah he was, he was great. I'm gonna cut some bread. Are you really not fancying eating anything? There's a bit of asparagus, a fried egg. You don't have to have the fried egg if you don't want.

You can just have the tahini and asparagus. Go on then, I'll have that then. Yeah. Yeah, I'll have the asparagus. I'll be so sad if you don't. I'm looking at the most beautiful ring on your finger that looks slightly papal. Well. Tell me about it.

So this is, so when you leave school in America, you get a ring like that. You get a ring like that, it's like a college ring, whereas we get a kick in the arse and a certificate that no one ever keeps. And I bought that in a pawn shop in Tokyo in the 90s and I didn't think anything of it until the internet was invented and googled it and it's like from, it's given to somebody in Ruston. I think you get to design your own ring when you leave. So this guy, I think his name was Dwayne.

Oh, it's got Dwayne on it. And I think he played number 20 for the football team. Oh my gosh. And the football team were called the Bearcats and it's from Ruston High in Mississippi, I believe. Poor soul, wonder why he gave it away. Have you seen it? Well, it was all about finding him and giving it back. No, but I'll tell you a funny story. I believe

No, but I tell you funny story So it the fact that he was in Tokyo would suggest that he'd probably join the army And he was stationed in Tokyo and he kind of pawned it for a prostitute or something But one one afternoon was sat in an airport lounge in America somewhere It was a bit hungover and a guy dressed in the desert camouflaged fatigues and he said, where did you get the ring from buddy? And I was a little bit pissed and I started talking back in an American accent and I was like, Ruston High. And he went, I went to Ruston High. And I was like, fuck. And I went, fuck shit. And he was going, when you do it, go Bearcats, when did you go to Ruston?

I was like, oh yeah, like, right fucking here. And I started to sweat. And I was like, please call the flight now. And luckily the flight was called. Honestly, I was like, fuck shit, man. And he was like, where did you go? Here, go Bearcats, man, you don't look old enough. I was like, you know fucking Billy Bob Shit Bear. Oh my, mate. You don't look old enough. You know, fucking Billy Bob shit bear.

Oh my god, right. Yeah, it was one of the most stressful events of my entire life. Because he was clearly on his way back from, you know, trashing the Middle East. And he was probably going to be in a bad mood. And I was like, fucking hell. Yeah, terrifying. Do you go to America often?

I do. I'm going in a few weeks. Yeah start my tour Are you starting your tour there? Yeah, when does your album actually come out? June the 2nd June? Oh, so you're a professional at this Seamlessly sliding into plugging my record Yeah, yeah, do you know what the older that've got, the more I've grown to love America. I used to hate it when I was younger. Because there was too many rules. It was like, you can't do this here,

this shuts at this time, and you can't smoke that there and all that. But you kind of get to your mid-30s and you go, what the fuck do I want? Oh, it's like the pace of this life and the fucking avocados on toast. Two in the afternoon. So we ask everyone, if you were going on to a desert, not something sinister, if you were going to a desert island for six months what meal

would you have before you went before I went yeah the starter do like a bit of squid for starters yeah yeah it would be something grilled or no you know when they deep fry it. Oh, you like calamari? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, me too, I love it. Well, not just like, not Italian calamari. When they kind of do it.

Salt and pepper is the one that has. I love that, yeah. Do you like a dip with that? Do you like a garlicky mayonnaise? Or do you just like it with just... I like the mayonnaise. The chili dip would be the best one. And for a main course what would I

have I don't know I don't like I say I'm not really what did you have last night for your dinner I had pizza do you like pizza love it okay there's a pizza restaurant in made of ale called the Red Pepper which is I swear to you now it's the best pizza in about obviously what I'm saying in the world. Which road is it on? Formosa Street. Oh I know. Do you really? I was in Maida Vale last night actually. Oh I swear. With some friends on Clifton Gardens. I love Maida Vale. Yeah yeah it's great I've lived on there for quite a while. It's so gorgeous isn't it? There's another little, there's like a little Greek Turkish restaurant

up a little side street I've been to. Someone was talking about a really good Greek restaurant in Maida Vale. Yeah, it's up a little side street. Oh, okay. On the other side of Warwick Avenue. Oh, okay. There's a great sushi place up there called Sushi Murasaki,

which I'm going to tonight, I believe, with my kids. Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um... How many children have you got? I should know. Three. Three.

Yeah. And they all big grown-ups. And I saw one of them, your beautiful, I think she's your eldest daughter. Yeah. She was taking photos of you. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you asked me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, she's 23. She's amazing. Uh, and then I've got, eldest lad is 16 this year. And then my youngest little boy, the got, eldest lad is 16 this year. And then my youngest little boy, the legend, is 13 this year. 13.

And are they amazing? Oh, they really are. They're the funniest. The two guys are like a comedy double act. Their entire meaning of their life is for one of them to try and get the other one into trouble. That's all they live for. That's all they live for. That's all they live for.

And it's tit for tat. So tonight when I see them, they'll be, so, ask Dee about what happened at school today. And, but they are amazing, funny kids. Do we get the last supper? No. No, we've got calamari. Yeah, he's only got to calamari.

It may need some salt and I will not be offended. Have you got salt darling? I erm, so what would I have? Probably steak and chips actually. I knew you were going to say that. Did you? Well I didn't know I was going to say that. But I knew it, I felt it. Right, yeah steak and chips and then for dessert apple crumble. Who makes the best apple crumble?

Hmm actually the one at the school dinners apple crumble. The piggies were always good weren't they? Cake and custard. Yeah yeah yeah the custard and that. Pretty spectacular I have to say. Okay so and then what drink of choice? You're having beer, you're having wine, you're big into... Do you drink? I'm big into alcohol yeah. Well I'm Irish so it's kind of a pre-recorded

life of a living. If I'm going out I will always drink beer. Exclusively. What sort of beer? Peroni. well whatever they've got, slagga. Are you like naga? If I'm staying in, like this weekend for instance is one of my favorite weekends of the year. Why? Because it's the Eurovision Song Contest. I didn't know that you were a big Eurovision fan. God I fucking love just getting pissed and watching the utter insanity of Eurovision it's inset I love it. Why didn't you go? I don't want to go to yeah I just want to watch it in private and just laugh my bollocks

off. Are you laughing at them or are you kind of enjoying the... I'm laughing at them. Oh you arsehole. Yeah. Why? Just like look Kazakhstani rap. Really? No you should wait for the finish and they've got this cha-cha-cha one.

Oh, I can't love it. And he says cha-cha-cha like 78 times. Brilliant. And it sounds kind of like he's Darth Vader and he's going, and he's rapping with a cha-cha-cha. You're gonna love it. Brilliant. And I love the earnest tunes as well, the We Are The World one. Yeah.

I love that kind of thing but the Eurovision Song Contest, it's far out. I remember watching it. When you were little. Oh yeah, well yeah. I used to sit and score it with my father and mother. Oh really? We would all sit round there and Miss World. Right yeah, remember when Miss World was a thing?

It was on telly on Saturday night and your dad would watch it. She'd be like, I've seen better than her down the pub. And that's like, what pub are you going to? I'm like, I'm going to the pub. I'm like, I'm going to the pub. I'm like, I'm going to the pub. I'm like, I'm going to the pub. I'm like, I'm going to the pub. I'm like, I'm going to the pub. I'm like, I'm going to the pub. I'm like, I watch it she'd eat it. I've seen better than her down the pub. What pub are you going to? But no

I do like Eurovision Song Contest I'll stay in and get a bit of business. Please tell me somebody else is going to be drinking with you and maybe you should get the kids round and start doing a telly thing and do a little. I'm not going to be sitting there mordling drinking there'll be a few people there don't worry if I'm going to be sitting there mordling, drinking, there'll be someone, there'll be a few people there, don't worry about that. Oh good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, I love it, I remember watching it the year when, I don't know if I remember

this, but some Finnish guys, it was like a black metal group, and they were dressed as, they all dressed in like, they were like, dressed in... Oh yeah, I remember them them they're called lordy and i was sat watching it i was a bit stoned right and i was thinking what the fuck is this and then they won it right because obviously people were voting to take the piss and ever since then i was like this is essential viewing on saturday night um i now these are two questions from felix white what a life it would be if you could come for mine for tea. Pick you up at half past three.

We'll have lasagna. Yeah. Who was cooking lasagna? So that song came about, at the time we were hanging out in Liverpool, we were hanging out with this band called The Real People. They've had this crazy cousin, and his name was Digsy. We were just

jamming in their rehearsal room one night and he got up on the mic and we were all playing one chord and he started to sing this thing went round and round and I can't remember the tune but the lyrics went what did you have for your tea tonight? I had lisa, I had lisa, it sounds really really ridiculous and then I was just stuck tea tonight? I had lasagna, I had lasagna. It sounds really, really ridiculous. And then I was just stuck with me and I had this tune and it just seemed to fit. It was one of those songs when you play it to the band

and they go, really? Lasagna? Lasagna? I'm like, yeah. I could, you know, I'm fucking singing that. Fucking lasagna. He fucking sung it. I fucking write it.

You know, yeah, it was just, it was just born out of this crazy guy, Dixie's bizarre mind. Strowby lemonade. Well, yeah, it was a thing from that drink, Snapple, wasn't it? Oh, Snapple. Wow, he's really good. I loved the peach iced tea. And it was really big in the 90s, wasn't it?

Yeah. Well, I was with this girl at the time who only drank this strawberry lemonade thing. And that whole song, So Tonight, is quite an autobiographical tale of a weekend I spent with this girl in San Francisco. And all she drank was strawberry lemonade. Did that put you off her, or was it kind of like you were like sure she tastes sweet Well no it didn't put me off her no no I mean I got a song out of it so you know that's the main thing I got a great song out of it and I'll be playing that song on tour

this year so Oh well everyone we had because it's like a it was a B-side wasn't it yeah all my all my best songs I gave away as B-sides like a fool It's catalog you've got so much you can now do that no, of course, but at the time I had this period from like 1993 to 1990 just 1996 where every song that I wrote became really famous but if I could go back in time now I would keep all those great B-sides and turn it into a proper album. Do you think? No. Why can't you do it? No we didn't put a B-side album on. What I'm saying is at the time it would have made a colossal third album but of course when you're young and you're you know you're on the way up you're just like thinking well this is never gonna dry up this is gonna be

amazing and I would write these songs and nobody at the record label because we were on an indie record label and everyone was a bit mad you know nobody had the wherewithal to say that's a bit good for a B-side they were just like yeah I mean yeah it's a bit it's it's a bit over the top to say we gave them away because they have, you know, I still play them so they didn't go to waste but it would have been nice if they were on some kind of official album.

What's your favourite song to perform of all your songs? Well, it's always new ones. At the moment. It's always new ones. Okay. You know, I do, actually a song I've never, ever, ever, ever gone off is Don't Look Back in Anger because it elicits, I mean it's such a hymn now and it means so much to so many people all around the world.

I've never gone off that one. But songs, as Jessie will tell you, you kind of, you have a moment with them and then you just gotta let them go and people will come up to you and say, oh why didn't you play this song? And it's like, it's gone now, you know what I mean? It's like a child that's left home and that's it. It's grown up and it's got my head and it's fucked off thank God and the but the ones that you enjoy are the new ones because because it's new for you and

then yeah you get you get a couple of years out of them so at the moment I'm enjoying all the new ones and but don't look back in anger you know if you've got that one song if you'd only written that one song for the rest of your life you'd be doing all right do you know what I mean it's kind of yeah it's but without it being it's an extraordinary piece of music without it being technically an extraordinary song it's but I think that's the appeal of it is like guys who were amateur guitar players

can sit and play it and sing it. Is it hard though to have made that? Do you have to kind of put it, like lock it away, knowing that you've got that song that will live on forever? You gotta let it go. You gotta let it go, but like when you're writing and then you're not trying to better that.

No, you have to let it go and you have to accept that It was a moment in time. Thank God you had that moment and you have to let it go in and don't Where did you write it? I wrote it in Paris I don't even remember writing it. We were on tour in 94-95 and we've been out Why off and wonder because I woke up the next day we'd been out on a really boozy night out. And I woke up the next day and there it was written down. Not all of it, but like the outline of it.

And I'd kind of, I'd had the chords and no idea who Sally is, but we'd been at a strip club that night. And now let me quantify that. We'd done a gig that then turned into a strip club. It doesn't matter I don't get shocked. You're not stripper are you? No I'm not a stripper and I don't get shocked. She wants to know more she'll be at the strip club next time. There's still time okay there's still time you know the internet is full of magical things. Where are we going after with this show? And I don't know who Sally is and I don't know what. She must have given you a good dance.

I've never met a stripper called Sally, they're always called Emanuel and shit like that aren't they? Yeah, there was a whole film series called Emanuel. And yeah, so you've got to let that go and accept that It's constantly being revived because do you remember after the Manchester bombing? Yeah. Yeah, and then people's spontaneous Well, yeah, even even when the when they're talking about the writing like of writing and going back in it's like Yeah, you have to accept that other people think that's your that's your peak moment. I don't necessarily think Other people think that's your peak moment. I don't necessarily think that. No, no, no, and I'm not saying that.

Yeah, no, no, no, no. And if you thought that, you'd never write another song after Wonderwall and Don't Look Back in Anger, why would you bother, right? But to me, I've written better songs than Don't Look Back in Anger, I think. I think there's a track on this album called Dead to the World is superior to both of them.

But then ask me in 10 years' time. Is that the one that says about the heavywears? No, that's easy now. It's the real orchestra one. It's got no drums on it. Yes. Called Dead to the World, yeah. It's my favourite song on the album. But I've worked out what songwriting is.

You're just on a, it's a constant transient thing and you're just, you're picking up influences and then just dropping, you're just dropping little bombs along the road of life and then that's it. And then some people get it and some people don't. They don't make the songs any less or more. You know, it's kind of, if it's turning,

if it's turning you on, then that has to be enough. I wouldn't, any people that write songs for streams or clicks or to sell records they're not they're not in it for the right reasons you know you've got it it's got to be you know I've if one person comes up to you 12 years after you wrote a song that no one's interested in and says my that song that's it that'll do you know yeah meant a lot to someone doesn't have to mean everything to everybody you know it's just but then but but you know, everybody

You're still so ambitious and I think that's really you still you you have you're prolific like you put out work I don't have any other interests. I'd like I don't drive I don't I don't I don't I don't collect I don't I can't swim. I don't collect anything I'm not I'm not an avid art collector. I'm not passionate about, you know. You've got your kids. No, no, but that goes without saying. Yeah. There's like, rock stars usually get other interests

and that's why they take the four for gas. You're not gonna have a vineyard or? No, I'm just not, I'm obsessed with writing. Music. Yeah, and the more I do it, the more I wanna do it. And that's why in lockdown, I wrote three albums, like 34 songs, completed 34 songs, which is gonna last me now.

I have to stop writing now, so I've got to record them all now. Right, it sure is. And it's the thing that gives me, apart from my kids, which goes without saying, it's the thing that gives me, apart from my kids, which goes without saying, it's the thing that gives me the greatest sense of worth and your place in life. Do you know what I mean? This is what I do and I love it

and I never take it for granted and I do a bit every day. I'm not the kind of person that sits down and says, right, from May until then I shall write a new album and it shall be about this. I chip away every day and just finish one song off and then I don't have a look at another one. Where did you learn guitar? Well completely self-taught? Yeah yeah I've never had a musical lesson here. Can you read music? No I don't know anyone that can. I don't know anyone that can.

No, Jessie. Can you? No, I can't. I also like I, that's the thing that I'm trying to do for my kids. I'm not trying to, actually I'm interested what you, I don't want to ram lessons down my kids throat but I want them to feel like they should have an instrument because I wish that I'd have an instrument. It makes me feel very inadequate in the studio. Well I'll tell you what I did for all of them on one out of the three, got it, so I just left the instruments around the house. Yeah. So I just left instruments around the house. So I just left little toy keyboards in the bedrooms and little guitars and two of them are not into it

but the youngest lad kind of was, he was like me, because I just was like, right, how I got into it was this. My dad was a country and Western DJ in the Irish social clubs around Manchester. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know whether he won this guitar at a game of cards. I don't know what happened, but this guitar appeared in our house and he couldn't play it. When I used to get grounded for, you know, not going to school and all that kind of thing,

glue stuff. Took you good car away. And I would, I took this guitar upstairs into my bedroom and I started to play Joy Division bass lines. That's how I... and then some local kids older hippie brother kind of came around and said, oh my brother can tune that for me and tuned it up. And I just was just into it. You still got that guitar? No, no, I still got a couple of early ones. But so when, you know, going, oh

you should teach the kids and I was like well I was never taught but how I I just I I think if you force kids an instrument upon them kids like to rebel against their parents like I'm not doing that whereas I I'm still into it now and I think it's because I went to it. Working with family though I mean you've had the experience of course with Oasis I work with mum in a different way, it's a bit less rock and roll apart from when we've done our sold out show in Bridgewater Hall. But yeah, do you still appreciate that, the romance of having you know a sibling and family involved in that journey up? Well it's your greatest strength and

your greatest weakness. The greatest strength because when two family members sing together it's like an instrument that you can't buy so it immediately becomes recognisable on the radio. And you've got great rapport and connection with it and it made Oasis what it was. By the same rule it was its Achilles heel that eventually you know eventually broke the band up because you can push each other's buttons and you tend to revel in it. Did it upset your mum when you had the big fallout? No, everyone says this to me about my mum and it's like you know journalists you know getting the band back together you know you make your mum happy it's like I'm 50 fucking five Do you think I'd give a shit about what my mum's

got to say about anything now? It's just like, she couldn't even control me when I was 14. Like I've got three kids and a fucking cat, you know what I mean? What's your cat called? Boots, doesn't live with me anymore, sadly, but he was a handsome boy. Do you think you'd get another cat or a dog?

Maybe, I like other people's dogs. My mum and mates have got dogs and they're great, but they're just like children. I'd rather have another baby than a dog? Er, maybe, me, er, I like other people's dogs. My mates have got dogs and they're great. But they're just like children, I'd rather have another baby than a dog. Do you think you might have another baby? Absolutely not. Are you sure? No, absolutely not. But you might meet someone who's younger, who wants a baby.

I don't like younger people. Don't you? Lenny's available. I'm afraid. Yeah, but she's not into stripping so it's not going to work, I'm afraid. No. Do you want another cup of tea to go with your cake? No, no, I'm okay. I'll have a spoon though, if you've got a spoon. Yes, of course I've got a spoon.

Thank you very much. I have to say, I'm the shittest at making cakes. This looks great. But this looks, in the words of Rick Astley... Do you want some Chessy Pasta? Do you want some cream darling? It's not cream, it's Greek yoghurt. And what's the other one? Creme fraiche that may be off, hold on.

No, it looks alright. Do you want a bit of Creme fraiche that may be off, hold on. No, it looks all right. Do you want a bit of creme fraiche or is it all right? No thanks. I've gotta go sing now for two hours. Yeah, I think we rehearsed at the same spot. What month? SW19.

Oh no, that place in Wimbledon? Yeah. Oh, we used to, we were in North London. There was like a beautiful moment that you were rehearsing and Don't Look Back in Anger was just, I think you were just playing and we were just in the other room and it just sounded stunning. Oh, wow.

It was when I was doing it acoustically. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, thank you. No, it's a pleasure. Do you have to perform that when you were at a concert? Well, the way- If you didn't, everyone would be-

The way I look at putting together set lists is this. I always think, right, the person that I'm playing for is the person that's coming to see me for the first time. So they're gonna want, if I'm going to see one of my favorite artists, Bob Dylan, or whatever, for the first time, I would think, right, I'd like him to play this, this, this, this, and this, and if he did play that,

that would be amazing, but I'm not too interested in that. So that's the way I look at it. It's like- Given the hits. It's like, there's a deal that you have to have with your audience. When you've been going for so long and I've written so many songs, it's like, I'll get to what you wanna wear in a bit.

Well, but let me do my thing for me first. And so if I don't play half the world away and don't look back in anger, I'd be in the crowd going, well, why didn't he play those songs? So those two are pretty much a given. And then there'll be some more obscure Oasis stuff for people who've seen me a few times,

who were just like, right, well, I've heard, I don't need to hear that again, do you know what I mean? And then there'll be the new stuff is for me, and then there's the bit in the middle where you just kind of keep it a bit loose. I need to know if your children are stealing your clothes. Yeah. The relics.

Ah, not well the... Would you let them? See what I do every, every few months is I'll just give them all to charity every maybe six months a year. So some of that Umbro, Kappa, some of that is in a local charity shop in Buckinghamshire The doc the doctor the doctor banana knows the doctor bananas in Marleybone unwittingly Had quite a lot of oasis clothes and just yeah, I didn't let him make a big deal of it It's just like go plunk these on the door. Yeah, there wouldn Yeah, there wouldn't be a day goes by when I see a photograph and go,

oh, why did I give that away? Really? Why did I give that away? There's some fucking idiot. But, you know. Or some really happy person. No, but if you make a big deal of it, people will just buy it and put it on eBay,

do you know what I mean? So every kind of six months a year, your wardrobe will be bursting, you'll be like, right, it's gotta go. And. Is there anything you have kept for sentimental reasons? No, I'm not sentimental. No, I don't. I get rid of it. I do have these moments of madness every 12 months, six months,

where I go, right, done. I'll go down to my lock-up looking for something and go, this is just fucking get rid of it. Incinerate it all. And everyone will be like, whoa, wait a minute, fucking what? This is kind of the stage set from such and such thing. But I don't hold on to the past. I don't think it's-

Do you not have one treasure possession, like someone gave you or something that you've got on the wall? Maybe it's that ring, I don't know. Yeah, I wouldn't, yeah, I'd be, and this bracelet I bought on my travels. That's gorgeous. If I'd lost these two, I would be extremely unhappy because you wear them every day and become part of you treasure possession

Nothing, no, just happy. Yeah if I Guitars yes, I hold on to guitars because I've written songs on them and My kids should have them or they should go into some place where people can either look at them I don't know but those kind of things. I'm I hold on yeah I I don't sell guitars I've written big songs on because treasured possessions I lost a pillow once on fucking tour and I was devastated I bring my own pillow until I do yes I do I can can't. I hate tour buses so much. I'm so bad on them. And I lost a pillow once on tour. It came up, suitcase arrived back from America and there was a pillow missing and a leather jacket and I was like, the leather jacket, I can understand. Who's fucking stealing pillows at Heathrow Airport, you callous fuckers?

I know, I agree. I know, there'd be some fucking... What kind of pillow was it? Feather? Down? It was just my pillow, do you know what I mean? I can sleep in any trashy, horrible beds, but as long as I've got my pillow... So they're not going to be doing an exhibition like David Bowie's exhibition of your clothes? I did, yeah, yeah. I went to the... I didn't even go to the Oasis one. I went to the Bowie one and the Pink Floyd one. Yeah, the Bowie one was great.

It was fascinating seeing the lawyer's letter where he changed his name officially from David Jobs to David Bowie one was great. It was fascinating seeing the lawyer's letter where he changed his name officially from David Jones to David Bowie. Some of those clothes could have been at V&A. No, you don't give a shit. Who wants to look at a lot of cagools? Cagools? I mean, you've got David Bowie,

there were Japanese designers and this, that and the other and like, oh yeah, yeah, look at this parka. Look at this Kangol hat, fucking mega. Oh, do you know what I really loved? I really loved the Adidas trainer section, that was amazing. Are you pals with your brother, our kid? No, no, no, no, no.

Still. Oh for God's sake, mum really did the research. I thought you, he definitely makes over chores towards you constantly. Yeah, well then he just stops lagging me off on the internet and suddenly. Does he? Do you follow him on Twitter, Mum? No, but whenever I've heard him speak he's always saying,

we're getting back together. That's because he's insane. Oh right, OK, fine. But you talk, when you refer to our kid, it sounds quite affectionate and fun. Yeah, well that's the way we speak up north. I've got really fond memories of the Oasis thing and all that and we'll have to take an extraordinary chain of events for it to happen again. But I'm really happy with what I'm doing. As you know, that's the way we speak up north Well, I've got really fond memories of the Oasis thing and all that and We have to take an extraordinary chain of events for it to happen again But I'm really happy what I'm doing. I love it and I love going at my own pace

I think when you're in a when you're in a band, it's a compromise with all the other people So everybody's got to have their own little bit and feel worth because I was the sole songwriter. Yeah It was difficult for the other four guys you know this is by the Lord is the thing and they didn't really have any creative input into it because I was so prolific at writing the songs so when you're if when you're in a band situation you have to compromise and what I'm doing now I can do if I want to take five years off at the end of this tour, I'll do it. Whereas in... It's like marriage really, isn't it? Yeah. With it, when in a band thing, it's a sea of moving parts that you've all got to keep

the plates spinning. And that exhausted me in the end, which is why in the end it's just like, it's time for me to quit. There was just too many plates spinning and then you're trying to put one fire out and then there's another one going off. I think when you're in your 20s and 30s, it's amazing because you've got the energy to do it whereas when you get older you're just like I've got my kids now and I'm like yeah fuck it I can't be older. Do you find the idea of maybe because they're a bit older but how old are your youngest? 13. Do you find it when you're thinking and this is a kind of selfish question but do you think

about the tours and think I can't be away for that long or do you feel like they're so used to? Well so I got back off my last tour in 2019 and I'd been away more or less. I've been on the road since 2015 and when I no, what not all the time back and forth But when I remember I remember going away and I had two baby sons And when I got back in 2019 the eldest opened the door and he had a tash and he called me bruv oh stop it and I was like yes mate anyway yes bruv and I was like bruv you fucking bruv me you fucking dad you refer to me as dad he was like yo bro pops his back I was like who's this guy with

a tash and um and then and then it happened and then it's like right I was I was always going to take till this time off. And of course, pandemic happened and COVID and things got a bit tricky. Where did you spend lockdown? Well, we just, I don't know whether, I thought at the time, it's luckily maybe not the greatest life decision we'd made. Just before the pandemic, we decided we were going to move out of London and we were in

Hampshire and of course, it was a twofold thing out there where you don't feel like you're in a pandemic because in the middle of the country, you never see anyone from day to day anyway. But then you're there and that's it. You can't dip into London for a couple of nights and you can't see your mates and You're locked in. Yeah so it was a tricky time for everybody, but um I um

Yeah, I was it was out there. It was it was just horrible At that time, I mean the only good thing that came out was which I like wrote a lot of music How good were you at home schooling dreadful? Did you? Dead for my I? My lad was like Dad dad where's the Philippines? He shouted as he's in his underpants right at the one end of the table and I was like, Google it. All right Google it and when we looked at his Google search, kind of as I let he Googled in, where the fuck are the Philippines? where the fuck are the Philippines? I was about 11 at the time and I was like this kid is a fucking prodigy. Where the fuck are the Philippines?

Before you go off to do rehearsals for the tour. Do you want another piece of cake? No thanks. Would you like one for later for that afternoon? No, no, no. Kind of pick me up. No, no, no, I'm fine. I'll have an apple in the afternoon. You're kind of healthy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. I don't, yeah, I don't, I'm not, like I said, I'm fine. I'll have an apple in the afternoon. You're quite healthy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't, yeah, I don't, I'm not, like I said, I don't eat a great deal. I kind of have a big breakfast and whatever I want done. So in the day, I usually skip lunch and crack on doing what I'm doing, but a Pink Lady apple is my thing. I love, do you know they're really good for you? They'll lower your blood pressure. Do they really? Which is why I'm so chilled, as you can see. This is why you're so relaxed. I'm laid back. Can I ask you one taste that can transport you back to somewhere, good or bad? So in Ireland they have a thing called soda bread. Yes. So if I was to have soda

bread with loads loads of butter on like my mum used to give us in between coming home from school and having tea as we call it, not dinner. That would remind me of growing up. So soda bread and a real builder's cup of tea. That would be that would be my thing. Yeah. Oh Noel thank you so much for coming over and chatting. Oh, it's been a pleasure. Thank you very much. And good luck with the album. It's beautiful. Come and see us. I'm playing. Where are you playing in London?

Well, I'm doing open airs in summer, playing at Crystal Palace. Oh, nice. Oh, around the corner. Yeah, and then I'm doing the arenas in the winter. I'm playing at Wembley Arena. So, anyone. Thank you. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks for coming. You're very handsome. Oh, here we go. I just wanted to tell you, I'm not going to slip off, but you are very handsome and you've got gorgeous blue eyes. Telling you now, I'll give you my number in

a bit when your daughter's gone. We won't be living on your own anymore, I know. We'll get you backstage. Oh God! Okay, get out of my fucking house. This is the last of our second helpings. But we couldn't resist, could we? No, absolutely not. And then we'll be back with actually, we've got a very special surprise for you next week. A little treat.

An extra treat. So, a pair of teeth, shall we say. But yeah, it's been a pleasure doing the second helpings and finishing with the brilliant Noel Gallagher. Wow, absolutely. And Jessie, just one thing I want to say. What? Don't look back in anger. I heard you say.