Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Second Helpings - P!nk

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

It’s the last in this summer’s serving of Second Helpings and we’re ending it with a true icon - for the start of series 15 we had Superstar P!nk pop round to mum’s for a perfectly ‘pink' meal of Pink Salmon with Salsa Verde followed by mum’s delicious Pink Raspberry & Champagne Possets. We had the best evening with P!nk who told us all about her magical live shows her love of Kugel & Matzo Ball soup while growing up the psychic she visited in Australia who revealed how her daughter and her go back lifetimes and being mistaken for Gwen Stefani in a supermarket. Thanks to my new bestie for popping round to Clapham for dinner! Next time you’re not allowed to leave! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to second helpings with me Jessie and Lenny Ware and we're finishing off this second helping with a big one Well she was actually the season opener on season 15 back in February 23 She had a bit of an entourage that came to the house But I forgave her because she was just the most fantastic guest She was so warm, it's pink And mum what did you do for the menu? I did a pink meal

Yeah, now that I think about that, it's kind of awkward. I think I did, what was it, salmon? You did pink salmon with salsa verde. Yeah. Well, pink and green go very well together. Yeah, they do, darling. Pink raspberry and champagne possets. And I put little hearts on them with raspberry dust.

We really liked pink, didn't we? Yeah, we did. She was one of the warmest people. She really was. No nonsense. No nonsense, very straightforward, adores her children. Pink coming up on Second Healthings. We have pink here in Clapham looking just how I expected her to look.

She's here, you're in the flesh, the quiff's there, you're rock and roll, you've walked in, you've hugged everybody, everyone loves you, you smell great, and you're here. I smell great. Yeah. I worked on that. How is London so far? I know you've had a full day and I'm sorry. I'm so happy, are you kidding me? Well, hopefully you can relax. It's not often I get to go to someone.

one's home in London and drink wine and drink wine and get cooked for this is amazing I'm good I landed yesterday there was a the flight was easy the seat was comfortable it's the first time I've been away from my kids in a very very very very very long time how did that feel I woke up this morning and my first thought was where am I and my second thought was I might have a panic attack because I'm not used to being away from my children so you didn't which proves the codependency is real so hang now I feel slightly guilty that when I was in South America away from them I woke up and thought

I have a little fart in bed and then I'm going to watch a bit of Netflix and then I'm going to go to the gym and I'm not I'm going to I don't know how to function without them really yeah we're just like we just move through the world together and that's what I saw in the documentary yeah but there was that beautiful we'll drink through I can bring some of my kids you can put them to bed if they're they're sick right now too so I was caring for

them all week and then I left them with dad and I'm like God bless us all I hope this goes well are they feeling a bit better today yeah they're getting better yeah or I wouldn't come or Noro or something I don't know there's they're just little petri dishes they really are and you know what it's that thing it's like domino where one gets one oh yeah right I've got awake another week and then the next one we go and when I'm on tour I'm like oh cool so I'm not singing in five days awesome that's what I found the documentary which I just told you I adored and I aspire to have that level of touring where we're not all well i mean i tried to take my daughter at 18 months and she had like the star room and i was in the bunk which is fine yeah i know that first time

having a star room and my 18 month old is got it with my husband but i thought it just you look like you were having no doubt it was so hard and there was a bit where jameson got sick and you were like on the phone to the doctor and you had like a gig the next day. But you still would, of course, prefer them to... Do you always tour in the summer so that they can be there? Because it's like summer holidays. No, they've always had tutors. Okay.

When I'm on tour, they're homeschooled. Yeah, I mean, we've always just gone together. And it's... No one wants to hear me complain, but touring as a mom is impossible. It's absolutely impossible. It's not even a good idea, but we do it because it's what we're going to do. Yeah. And I've had to explain to the... No offense, but I've had to explain to the men many times that

you know mostly and not always not always because there are single dads out there um but they go to work and close the door behind them and then don't think about their kids until they're home and for me i it's all i think about like there's no door that i walk through they just i literally can't even go to the bathroom alone like they're just they sleep in my bed still how old's your youngest six they still sleep in my bed really and And yeah, we're just... Jessie wouldn't have that, would you, darling? I love it.

But I'm a worrier, so it's easier to just reach over and take their temperature with my hand than it is to have to get up out of bed, go to their room. We put Willow in her room when she was three, and Carrie and I looked at each other, and I was like, and he goes, you should go get her. I'm like, I'll go get her. This was a terrible idea. She's so far away. And then she's closer to the front door.

If someone were to come in, they would hit her room first, I'm like, Oh, my God. Are you Jewish? This is what, yeah, I'm Jewish. Oh, yeah. Do you have a mirror by her breath? I used to. I used to, yep.

I used to like pray over this girl when she was a baby. I actually have a really weird story if you want to hear it. Of course I do. Okay, so I think in hindsight I had postpartum. Right, okay. And it sort of, to me, felt like you're under, you don't realize you're under a cloud until the sun starts shining. That's how I describe it.

And I was so, I had never known love like that. I'd never known real, real love until you'd become a mom. And I was so afraid of losing her, like crazy afraid, psychotic kind of afraid, just not normal afraid. I don't know what normal is, but I would pray and tell God, like, take me a thousand times before you take her. Like, just please let her be okay. How old was she at this point?

A baby. I was really afraid of SIDS, which is sudden infant death, like all these things. My mind was just, and I would love. like to be able to excuse it as postpartum i don't know then i'm touring she's 14 months old we've been on the road for about five months um i'm exhausted i haven't slept i didn't sleep the first 14 months of her life i go to my my girls my band and dancers my women who've been with you for a very long time yeah i haven't told anybody this i'm completely ashamed of my of what i'm doing at night that i'm staying i'm not sleeping and um one by one the women of my crew come into me and

say there's this card reader in Adelaide, Australia, you have to go and see her. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. So I go, and it's literally like the movie Ghost. You go in a crystal shop in this strip mall, and then you go down the back stairs, and you're in a tapestry warehouse, and you think Whoopi Goldberg's going to come out from behind the sheets, like put a penny up the wall. But this little Australian lady comes out, and she's shuffling the cards, and she puts them down, and she says, I just want to tell you, I.

know who you are. I'm not going to give you a card and say, I see a microphone. I know. She's like, here's what I know about you because I don't listen to popular music. So I don't know your songs. But I know that you're a singer. I know that you're on the road. I know that your band and dancers have all been to see me and I know that they love you very much. And I know that you have a child. And that's what I know about you. I was like, great. Thank you. Then she shuffles the cards again and she puts them down. And I swear to you, the Mohawk on the back of my neck went up. And she said, that praying you've been doing over your daughter, Willow I can explain it if you'd like and I was like God what my and she goes do you believe in

reincarnation I said yes actually I do and she said well you and Willow's lifetimes go back to Celtic times together like 16,000 lifetimes together or something she said so in some of those lives you've lost each other and sometimes tragically she's like so that's what you're feeling she's like I can't tell you about the next one but I can tell you for this one you can put that down for this one you're like puppies and it's a joyous coming back together and for this one it's going to be okay and I literally like I was dehydrated from crying and I took the invisible elephant off my shoulders and put it down and she goes is there anything else I can do for you I was like no and I walked out of there a different parent I knew in the marrow of my bones that what she was telling me was true

I believed it to be true and so it it just changed everything I have a little more faith in the universe now have you been to see her again No. Would you ever? Oh, absolutely. I might go. See if there's a rich husband there. Way to lighten up.

Way to lighten things up. Thank you. How old swillow? 11. And do you go to synagogue, temple? No. Are you religious? Not really.

I don't, I don't, we practice, like, we light the candles for Hanukkah. And I cook the meals and we celebrate certain things. We celebrate Christmas. I'll celebrate literally anything. Yeah, we do too. I love lighting the candles and singing the songs and cooking the food. and making halla and all that, but I don't actually believe in organized religion.

I believe in spirituality and God and the universe and whatever that means, but I just don't believe that one group is right and everybody else is wrong. So how were you brought up, Jewish, like within your family, your mother? Hanukkah. Okay.

That's it. Hanukkah. My mom's parents disowned her for marrying a Catholic. And my dad was a Catholic atheist who went to Vietnam and went to Catholic school and says the nuns prepared him for Vietnam. So my house was just, We were wild.

And let's talk about that wild house full of lots of different beliefs and faith and cougals. Full of cougals. Full of cougals and matzabal soup. Was it good eating? Oh yeah. What's a really memorable dish from your, like who was cooking? Okay, if my dad cooked,

it would be spaghetti with bacon bits on top. Was it delicious? Well, like the ones that you got in like the bacon bit, yes. Oh, not carbonara. No, but you're getting them in like pizza hut. Like you put them on your in the salad bar. Tasty. I mean, delicious.

Yeah. God bless him. He tried. Like a kind of, I grew up on... Like a marinera. Okay, got it. Okay, got it.

No, it's not carbonara. No, it's not. Okay. I grew up on TV dinners. Like the microwavable, frozen stofer's TV dinners. Did you love them? No.

No. You can't love paper mashed potatoes and frozen corn. Were your parents working? Yes. going to school. Well, yes, my parents both worked and then my mom went to school at night. What did she study? She was an ER nurse and she went to nurse back to school to, that's a great question. I've never asked her what she was doing. She was learning how to be a nurse. She was, she was already a nurse, but she was, I think she

was just trying to move up a level. And then she was a single mom from when I was eight. Was that tough? Oh, yeah. My dad was my person. Oh. He was my everything. Yeah. He was like, He was God to me. Yeah. Are you, is he? He passed a year and a half ago. I'm so sorry. It's okay.

It's okay. You do, you do a lot of cooking with James. I do. I do a lot. I've seen it on Instagram. Yes. So is he the chef? No.

He likes to help. Willow is actually thinking about being a chef. Although she won't crack an egg. So I'm like, I don't know. I don't think you're going to be very good. They don't want to get their hands messy. I know. I'm like, babes, you're going to have to, yeah.

Yeah. I was like, get your hands in there. It's meatloaf. She's like, mm, that's a hard no. But Willow, I mean, both your children, from what I understand of them, they're very talented. I mean, I think so. But, of course, but like, they've kind of taken on. Like, how proud are you? No, but I mean, no, but she's got a son that's a doctor.

So I really like, come on. Oh, that's a Jewish mother's dream. That actually eclipses Jesse's achievements. My mom still wants me to leave my husband and marry a Jewish doctor. Yeah, of course they do. Who doesn't? That's 17 years in. But, you know, Willow sings beautifully.

She sings beautifully. Does that terrify you? No, she sits next to me on the way to school and just it's so effortless with her. I never sounded that good when I was her age. Ever. I still don't sound that good. I don't believe you. I promise you.

My voice is a culmination of just hitting the pavement and learning how to be a live performer. But her voice is like, she's like a little bird. It's just effortless. And she doesn't care at all. She's not into it. Like, she just does it because she likes to do it. But people ask her, are you going to be a singer? And she's like, oh, God, no.

And I'm like, first of all, why do you have to say it like that? Is she bright? Oh, yeah. She's a straight-A student. So what would you want for her? I want her to be a lawyer for the ACLU so she can change the world and then bail her brother out of jail. Because he's not going that same direction.

He's going to be a DJ in Vegas. because well he'll do all right he'll make a lot of money he'll be fine what he's going to do but he is a comedian but but i think i watched the wrong doc jessie said this is this amazing documentary about think pink and i think i watched the wrong documentary because you hated it i didn't know you have so many documentaries no i didn't either two kind of stylists from london and one that and he talked about um it was made in 2013 not wrong it was just different it was just different It wasn't, it was different, but it talked about you being a handful. I've never heard of it.

Growing up. What was your mom? Yeah, that you were, you were. This is not the documentary that I saw an Anna's documentary. Where the fuck did you get this, mom? I watched it last night, don't they? Oh, I need to see this. I was a total handful.

I'm still a handful. Are you? I'm two handfuls. Who has to handle you now? Carrie. Carrie, I love the look of, he's fine. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, Fine. He's doing all right. I want to come back as Kerry Hart.

Dude doesn't know where the trash goes. See, you know what? That's amazing because, yeah, I'm obsessed. Right. I'd like to know. He's pretty. He's very pretty. He's gorgeous. Yes. And he, and he rides fast? Yeah, he rides fast. And he's, I mean, in the documentary, he came across as a fantastic father. Of course he did. He was a fantastic father. Pink staying true. Never heard of it. Oh my God, Mom, what do you have?

No, it says pop music icon pink recalls her life. Rise to fame. I had nothing to do with it. Okay. But I love that they said I was a handful. Of course I was. But it was two very strict, unusual women that were talking. One was a stylist.

God. Get the lawyers quickly. That is so funny. But that's the one that was on Netflix. You're going to have to watch that. Oh, no. There's Amazon Prime has my real done.

Which is fantastic. I didn't. Sam did. Well, Sam, he's again. He's stupid. Yeah. But can I just tell you? You look gorgeous.

Thanks. That's going to be your... Can't we like this documentary? You're not fabulous. Your hair, what do you use on the top? Oliplex. Lolliplex. That's what I need.

I need oliplex. That's it. Yeah, it's good. You've got great hair. Yeah, always looks good. I have Jufro. I have like, that's why I think the sides short

because if I had this much hair, it would be a hot mess. Let's talk about the new song that's with Fred. You made it with Fred. Fred again, we have to call him, but he's Fred. Gorgeous Fred.

And who was the other person that was doing? Johnny McDade from Snow Patrol. Oh, who's so lovely. Who I did, What About Us with? Is he the one that goes out with a lady from friend?

Well, yes, he's also a very talented songwriter mother. I don't know Snow Patrol. She likes a little bit of gosh. Courtney Cox, yes. She's a lovely human. And he is a delicious human, and Fred again is a delicious human. Was it fun writing the song? I'm very lucky. They're very dreamy.

Yeah. They're all dreamy. You're all talented. Yeah, but they're the kind of men that, like, are open about their feelings, and they're affectionate with each other. And it's just, oh, it's so nice to be around. It was a good 24 hours, I think. I mean, it could have been better.

Wait, I'm married. You've been married 100 years. I know, and I've never cheated. Have you not? Not ever. Have you, Jess? No. Of course not.

I'm coming up to 20 years with my husband. But not years of marriage. We got married, but like 20 years. No, I've been with Kerry 21 years. Marriage is long, you guys. You know what? I got sent today for Valentine's. Jurek sent me a vibrator.

I think I'm going to have a very happy Valentine's. Oh, good for you. I know. I'm more than I'm going to get off my husband. I know. WebMD wished me a happy birthday. But they didn't give you a vibrator. it didn't give me a vibrator

I was like how do they know my birthday oh because I check weapon D a lot I'm a hypochondriac all you yeah oh if it can go wrong it's gonna go terribly I think of you is like this

you go up on a bloody chepeze and you sing upside down you're a very powerful person thank you I'm yeah but I'm also very very flawed and human and I'm I fear like I don't believe in being fearless I believe in having fear and then pushing through it and doing the thing anyway.

As long as fear doesn't make your decisions for you, then you're okay. Is this what trustful is about? Yeah. Yeah. Trustfall is absolutely about living with immense fear. And I think if you're a person that lives in 2023, there's a lot to be afraid of. And I know a lot of kids and they all have anxiety now. And it's really, I'm very into psychology and I've been in therapy for 20 some years.

So I'm super into the way the mind. works and all of that and the science of it and yeah I'm like trust falls like me saying and there's another song on the album called turbulence which is basically me talking my daughter through a panic attack and it's it's like as scary as it gets remember it's just turbulence you know close your eyes pretend you're driving on a bumpy road at night like it's just and then my favorite line in that song is when you say that you can't I will watch you dance through this turbulence because it's not about denying all the things that are really happening in the world. But you're going to be that

support to. But I'm going to be there to support her and I'm also going to take the leap myself. I'm going to, I'm going to get out of bed in the morning and I'm going to put one foot in front of the other and I'm going to love and I'm going to laugh. I'm going to dance. I'm also going to worry. I'm going to drop you off at school. I hope for the best.

And then we're going to tour through the world after a pandemic. Like, you know, shit is crazy. Pandemic. It was something. Wasn't that fun? Where were you? And then monkey pox? People started saying, how are you? I'm like, well, I mean monkeypox.

Oh, God. But you are, we all just fine? We're fine, aren't we? But you are, you are, you are, I've got to remember, I am driving, so I need to to rein it in in a minute, but you don't. I have decided, I've always moaned about getting old, because it's very hard when you are young and gorgeous to get old. And I've just decided, getting old.

No, getting old's a privilege. It is a blessing. It's actually a privilege. I'm not ever going to moan about it. I've got friends that have gone. I say that to people every year on their birthday. It is a privilege to get old, isn't it? That's an absolute blessing.

And people that don't want to celebrate their birthday or talk about holding are, I'm like, dude, you're lucky. Yeah, you are. I lost my friend, Sayku, and he was 17 years old. You're lucky. You're lucky to be 43. Yeah, I love that. My mom's 76, and I'm like, happy birthday. Wow, you did it.

Where does she live now? She lives in Florida because she's like every East Coast June. She needs a song. When does she exactly what she means? Well, we're from Pennsylvania and she's like, no, you don't want to live there.

And now it's so hot. I love so. I love so. Oh, Judy. Can Judy sing? No. My mom goes to piano bars and drinks gin and tonics and sings,

you got the right key, but the wrong keyhole. Baby, her key don't fit my. lock no more and I'm like she's upside down on a piano oh I can see her nipple the first time she met my husband who was not my husband at the time we'd been dating a month I took him to the piano bar where she was at and she literally grabbed his shirt and put it up around his head turned him around and grabbed his ass and said you got a good one I'm like oh my god this is my mom carry my word and he's still with you what was the food

at your wedding? That's a great question. Can you remember? Did you eat any of it? No recollection of dinner. Where did you get married? Where were you married? Costa Rica.

Oh, nice. Yeah. Nice. Well, I don't know if you can curse on your show. Oh, yeah. I don't want to come in your home and say a bad, it's got a bad word. It's got down the aisle.

Okay. But my dad walked me down the aisle and we used to smoke and we were standing up. It was on the beach and Carrie was on the beach in a full suit sweating wasn't sure if he was sweating because he was hot or because he was worried

about his life decisions but my dad I was like oh God he's been standing there for 15 minutes and I start putting my cigarette out and my dad pulls another cigarette out of his pack

and puts it in my mouth and lights it and says that motherfucker can wait and I was like Dad okay he's got the right idea I was like

you're a gangster Treating me and keep him keen, huh? I need to know what your children's parties are like. I need to know whether it's just this rock and roll the whole time. We have a really good time. Willow and I have such an open, fun, like in an hour, I'm going to call her on FaceTime and we're going to read our book together. She's just darling.

She's so sweet. And he's just an idiot. Like, in a good way. I love my kid. He knows that I say that lovingly. But I call him and I'm like, hey, man. And he's like, hey, so up. I'm like, um, how's your day?

Good. How do you feel? How's your cough? Good. Uh, what are you doing? Dance break. I'm like, okay. It's just past the phone.

I need Willow. I need Willow. Willow, talk to me about your feelings. Do you think you'll have any more? I wish. I would adopt 80,000 children if I could. I don't think they'd give them to me. I have a past.

I, honestly, late. People have never been so excited about hearing that we've got you in California. I know. I must have about 20 people, Petra from Nordic Balance, said, I can't believe you. God, I can't believe it. What was going on? It's so fun. I loved, I was, I was, we talked last night about the most thing, the thing we were most excited about today and it was this. I was like, I can't wait to go to a home in London, because I'm not away. Would you like some food? Sure. Thank you. I am I allowed to call you What do people call you? Everything.

I answered anything. I've been called a lot of things too. I'm like, yep, that's also true. So let me just tell you what I've made. Okay. Because it's accidental. With a pink meal. Oh.

This was accidental. Because you wanted salmon. I love salmon. Right, so I've done salmon with sauce of verde and very salty potatoes that are these shriveli up peckle-y. They sound sad, but they're actually quite, well, hopefully they're quite delicious. They're kind of like, have you ever

been to Canary Islands? No. And had a wrinkly potato. No. That's what you're getting. So we're having that and then followed by a raspberry

and champagne pink posset. Raspberry. Have you ever had a posset? Posset, no. It's like a creamy, delicious thing and mum's put a little love heart on the top with freeze-dried. I mean, you know, happy Valentine's.

I am so spoiled. No, we are spoiled to happen. I was trying to make a grilled cheese. I make homemade sourdough and I was trying to make Willow her favorite sandwich at grilled cheese sourdough and I took the bread knife and went straight down underneath my beautiful nail

had to go to the hospital and they didn't even have... You went to the hospital for it. I went to the hospital and they wouldn't even give me a stitch and my husband drove me and I was like you better give me a stitch. Just so I make it worth my wife. So that's the hypercoc...

No, it hurt. It was hurting. It hurt. I thought my finger was going to fall off. Oh, you're wearing. I did a bandage. Jess, have you dressed the salad, though? I've dressed a salad, but it's very lightly dressed. Why do we say that? Where does that come from? Dressing a salad? I know. It's so over the top, isn't it?

It's really over the top. I love knowing where things come from. So, so you make sourdough. Was that a lockdown thing that started? Yes, absolutely. And you've kept it going. My starter is three years old. What's its name? Quarantina. Pint, do you like salsa birdie? Sure. Do you want me to call you a leash? You can call me anything you like, whatever I am.

I mean, in my heart of hearts, I want to be able to say that I can be like, Like, oh, me and Alicia hand hung out. Yeah, I can be Alicia. I'm Alicia. I never felt like an Alicia until I became a mom. It's a very strange thing. So what do the parents at school call you? Alicia.

Okay. Or Mrs. Hart. People don't really, I mean, do we ever call each other by our names? It's like Willow's mom in it. Like, what's up, bruh? Yeah. Hi, babe. Right, mate.

That's really good, but you can't remember somebody's name. Hi, babe. Hi, babe. So you make sourdough. Yes. You obviously make a, you're a gifted human. I cook. You're a good cook.

Cook at a really name. So if we were coming round to yours, what would we be eating? I would ask you what you eat first. Everything. Everybody's nuts. Everything. That looks beautiful.

You know what? I love peas on a salad. Thank God I did it right at the nick of time, Mom. So, I would make you a faro salad. Okay, lovely. It's a recipe from my favorite restaurant in New York, Charlie Bird. Oh, I haven't been. It's the Faro salad.

It's an Italian wine list. Faro salad is my favorite. It's delicious. Lovely. I would make you maybe some shoyu chicken if you like that or some salmon because I make damn good salmon. Oh shit. Okay.

No pressure, mom. How do you make your salmon? I pansear it. Okay. This wasn't panseered. Let's see if it works. I like it all. Okay.

I like it all. So this is okay. So you're making an effort. Are you a pudding kind of person? I mean a dessert person? We don't say, yeah, you've been here long. long enough that you know. Thanks, Mark. I am more of

like a salt person. Darling is wine there. Thank you. Salt and carbs. Salt and carbs. Like I would rather have the cheese and the wine or the beer than the dessert. Me too. Me too. But you're going to have to have some pink posset tonight. I'm going to have some pink posset. I like posse.

It's an English thing. Posset. I know. Do they have it in a... My, our nanny is English. Um, was. She passed away eight months after my dad. No, it's been a rough couple of years but she was always asking me for black pudding and I said that no I'm not did you never try it no I've never tried it because I don't eat meat you don't eat meat you don't eat chicken do you eat chicken okay just not four-leggeds okay I haven't eaten four-legged animal since I was 15 years

old right okay because my first managers were orthodox Muslim and so they wouldn't eat pork and I was broke like homeless broke and they always made salmon so I I love salmon Let's hope this works Okay, so you're making that So you just do a cheeseboard for the end Americans have cheeseboards at the beginning of the meal Yeah, we put it out in the middle of the day

Darling, help yourself Sweat Thank you It's very interesting, isn't it? I'm getting some of this Yes, do it Excuse me, microphone Those are salty potatoes

Thank you My daughter told me how to make I don't know, you bet you ate them I'd know if the juice was worth The squeeps. No, salty potato. She likes salty carbs, so she's sorted. I mean, I'm good.

I'm happy. So, we also ask, I guess, what their last supper would be. Oh, shit. You can think about this whilst we eat. Can I just bury my face in a cheesecake? In a cheesecake. That's my favorite thing in the whole world. What kind of cheesecake?

Good matter. Key lime. I don't know. I'm just saying that. Isn't that a key lime pie? Or you quite, you, no. A key lime cheesecake, I've never had one. Oh, okay, well.

Where do you get that from? At some point, we're going to return the favor, and I'm going to cook for you. No, Pink, you're going to be my best friend. Great. Which means you're having a key lime cheesecake. Okay, that's perfect. Perfect.

I see the sauce of that is okay. Oh, it's delicious. You've had a hard day's promo. How's it been being in Blighty? Do you like it here in London? I do, I love it. You're going to be here in the summer. I can't wait.

The carnival. Willow is so excited to come back to London. God. She goes, Mom, can we go to Harvey Nix and go to go sushi? The conveyor belt one? I'm like, oh, yes. Oh, go. I said go sushi. It's yo sushi. It's her favorite thing in the whole world. It's quite good fun, isn't it? It's, yeah. I mean, it's not the best sushi. It's not the thing that you should look forward to. It's so exciting. It's exciting. It's going to be less exciting because she's not six, but Jameson will love it. Does he eat sushi? They eat everything. Oysters, sushi, caviar. My kids.

Yeah, but I don't give my kids a choice. We have, I mean, I give them a choice, but we have a rule in our family that you have to try everything once. And then if you never try it again, that's on you. So, okay, last supper. Oh, yeah. You got a starter. I started with cheesecake. Starter, Maine, dessert, drink of choice.

You went straight in. For the person that says they're a salty carb kind of gal, you went into a cheesecake. You got to know this about me if we're going to be. best friends it just depends on the minute you're hot and cold you don't know wait okay fine so we're starting with the cheesecake that's our appetizer right lovely um what's your favorite cheese mimelette I don't know that it's orange it's a hard cheese from France I'm gonna tell you how it's made but it's one of those things that if you told your kid how it's made you wouldn't eat it so please

don't let this stop you okay because I'm not super into mites either oh no but it's made with mites how i'm not totally sure and it's still your favorite i'm not totally sure the story's true either it's just what i heard it's delicious that's so hard okay don't think of it as a morbid thing it's like you're going off for the last thing i get to taste no before going somewhere for a very long time you're oh okay then i want non bread Okay I want non-bread I want like a green

coconut curry with chicken or tofu and then I want maybe a little sushi on the side Yeah Where's your sushi place that you go to in America Or is it a secret? No

Well Venice Beach Hama Sushi But it's like a shitty little But you love it? I love it Okay Do you live near Venice? I do

Sometimes Sometimes But what I was going to say Pink was Alicia. Sorry, best man. Hello. In your documentary, it was so wonderful because you had,

I mean, you put on such a show and I can't wait to see you in high part. Thanks. I can't wait. I'm so excited. Yeah, I want to come. It's not just, it's the carnival. Explain to everybody who hasn't seen a pink show

what they can expect. Oh, man. I have the, first of all, I have to say, I have the best crew in the world. I have the best dancers and the best band, I think, living. like a group of people that prove that diversity and inclusivity and and different ideals and backgrounds can work really, really well together and they're just the best of the best.

So I always tell people when you get sick of me, you can look anywhere else and you will see the best of the best. So I'm very, very proud of my team. And they've been with you forever, right? Mostly forever. And also I grew up singing classic, like classic. Classically trained singer, Phantom of the Opera, Le Miz, kind of thing.

So it's almost Broadway, theater, Cirque du Soleil, rock and roll, rock show. Because I have all the smoke and mirrors, and I have the stunts and the gags, and I can fly through the air. But at the end of the day, you have to be able to strip all of the stunts and all the shit away,

and it has to be musically and sonically perfect. It has to be beautiful. It has to be about the music. So we have acoustic sections and I don't know. It's just really fun. Do you do at my batics? I do. Damn right she does.

I do. You definitely watched the wrong documentary. I know that you do that. They're the gossipy stylist. How weird is that? That's very... You, Sam definitely told me it was on Netflix. Well, my husband's stupid.

Because he said, you know, I just thought she was so amazing. Oh, love is universal. Look how beautiful! Yeah, look a heart on it. You're good, you. Have you ever seen this TV show called Come Dime with me? Oh, shut up, Jessie. You always spoil everything.

It's a little Come Dime with me, but we love her. Oh, piss off. I love you. You're so envious, darling. I am slightly envious, but you get to flex my skills. Right. So what's in here? Have you got your spoon? Would you like some water? There's water there, darling.

Fisie, or still? Do you know that when I pack and I'm by myself? I'll have still, please. When I pack and I'm by myself, I do it. The woman inside of me has an English accent. Why? I have no idea. I don't know why.

Do you think English women are more like organized or? No, I just am English when I'm packing. I don't know why. I don't know where I'm from. Is it, are you a good packer? I'm a great packer. Are you? I'm a Virgo.

I'm a pro packer. Do you use cubes? She's Virgo, darling. Do you use cubes? All my best friends are. It's fine. Cubs get in the way. And actually take up more room than they're worth.

Hang on. No, I disagree. Okay, how'd you do it then? Hang everything? No. What do you do then? You roll your shirts so they don't get wrinkly. Okay.

And then you place them like so. Yes. And then your pants, cuff here, cuff here, cuff here, cuff here, cuff here, cuff here, cuff here, cuff here. here. Everything up top, socks, underwear's, bras. Oh, I am a pro packer. How many bags? I'm English. Or

I might be Cockney, Australian. I'm not totally sure. Is this because you have an affinity with us, Brits, and Australia? Yeah, I think so. Can you taste champagne? Why is pink slightly more watery than art? This is not watery. It shouldn't be. It's delicious. How

dare you? This is delicious. You pick on your mom like I pick up. Oh, my mom. Well, she's a gay icon now, so I just need to take her down a peg or two. Do you know what I mean? This is very delicious. I don't even know what that is, and it's amazing.

It's raspberries. It's rosemary. And cream. Thank you. I do appreciate it. Thank you. So you just need to put the order in when you're back. When are you?

Carrie walks in my room and I'm like, I can't fit it. I can't. I tell you what, when you're doing... It's not annoying that Americans do that shit. Are you pride part you're doing? I will send chicken suit with Matt Spills. chicken soup with what? Matzabals.

What's... Oh, matzabals. I thought you said... Motsa. Come on. You thought you said Mats spores. I was like, no, thank you.

I love you, but no thank you. You'll be getting some Lenny's chicken soup and matzabels. When we went on tour together. Which was more rock and roll than my tours because mum's like, in the bar, clothes, everybody! People could go out on stage and win a bowl of mom's chicken soup.

Because we talk about it so much. I want to be like you when I'm a little older. You do? I do. I want to be just like you. Well, I think Jessie's very tolerant because I do. I am. I'm not a difficult person, but...

Are you needy? What's happening? No, it's not difficult. You're not needy. You're assertive. And I like what I like, and I can't be bothered with things I don't like anymore. But you like things. Yeah, I like lots of things.

So my mom says I like what I like, but I don't know what that is because she doesn't like anything. Oh, no, we find it. So you won't be doing a podcast any time soon. No, not with her. Oh, no. Have you thought about doing one with? Corrie. How'd you say his name?

Carrie. Carrie. Carrie. Carrie. Kerry. Kerry. Where did you meet him? I met him at the X Games in Philadelphia.

Yes. At a contest. That's quite sexy. And you proposed him. I did propose. When he was on the track. I did ruin his race. But were you a pop singer by then?

Yeah. So it was pretty big trophy for him to have a wonderful gorgeous. I had a pink afro at the time. I was killing the game in my head. Killing the game. What color was his hair? Just normal? Just normal.

And is he super gorgeous? He's very gorgeous. He's very pretty. He's got us in the documentary. Which I've not seen Because I've seen No That no one else has

He reminds me of Sam My husband In this kind of He seems Or you edited him this way Quite gentle Calm He's quite quiet

He is calm He's Horizontal He's got a kind of gentleness and calmness And we're like The fire maybe Yeah

And we're the driving force Maybe And they are Your Sam is a Virgo He gets on well with Pyrna Yeah Carrie is cancer, and he's, I, the way I describe it is he's the rock, and I'm the murky water around the rock. So when you want to swim in the deep, come in here and swim with me.

But if you need just that stable rock that doesn't move, and that's what we need. That's exactly how your relationship is, really. Have we finished your meal? I don't know whether we even. I don't think we got to the main. We got the cheese. Oh, I think we did coconut curry, right? Coconut curry.

A weird meal A lime Are we having The mites of cheese in there? We're having Mimolette cheese For sure Maybe string cheese And some triskets

What are trisket Like a really salty yummy cracker Like a ritz cracker No They're more like woven Almost like a What do you call those

Woveen chairs Are they wicker Rattan? They look like that But they don't taste like that Triscuits Are you going with a chutney on that Or

Just string cheese Do you chat on him or not String cheese Are you're actually Yeah I do like a string cheese Can I put cottage cheese on the side No Sacritch

So how can how dare you That is not rock and roll It is with some salt and pepper You know what You should have it with marmite Chia Mammite Oh it's going so bloody

Marmite and cottage cheese That's because when I was always on a diet When I was younger I'd go to the multi-pace like summer club and I was all on a diet so I had cottage cheese and marmite sandwiches

you did mum because I was always on a diet but that wasn't because I wanted you to know always on a diet because I was a fatty bin bats she was a big dog I love my family you were gorgeous

I was fun and I like my food and it's all worked and it's what I say somebody who owns to me in the grocery store recently and they were like how's Blake

and I was like who's Blake and they were like you know Blake I was like oh you think I'm Gwen Stefani oh you're joking like that's the biggest compliment anyone has ever given me you think I'm tall, beautiful

did you go along with it and thin you are I was like Blake's great thank you so much for asking sir and you sing country and western with her yeah wow you think I'm fashionable it was a great compliment

that's hysterical well at least you get Jesse Jay I was in a London I was in a London club somewhere, and somebody grabbed my arm and a vice grip in the bathroom. And she goes, tell me who you are. People are saying that you're somebody. And I was like, we're all somebody. And I was like, can you please take your fingers off my arm?

I'm going to have like a mark. Oh, my God. But you're not letting you go until you tell me who you are. Would you ever grow your hair? I've tried. Did you ever see the movie Gremlins? Stop. Do you know the scene where it pops up from behind?

behind the movie theater seat with the blonde wig. That's what I look like. But your hair is so gorgeous. Thank you. Will you ever go pink again? Yeah, I do all the time. So you're just like a watcher. So you're so very.

I love it. I love it. I did a calm story called the silver fairy and so I'm kind of obsessed with silver hair. You did a what story? A calm story? Oh, calm. Yeah.

Isn't Harry Stahl's on that? It puts everyone to sleep. Yep. I put people to sleep. This voice puts people to sleep. I can imagine that. Yeah, I can too. Okay.

what's the song that your kids would request you sing to them um oh willow just told me the other day that wild hearts can't be broken is her favorite song and which is so awesome because it's such a feminist anthem but will you then be like okay let's fucking go and you'll sing she won't ask me to sing for her oh right okay when we were on tour in australia jameson got hand foot and mouse disease that's a fun one and his fingernails and toenails were falling off and he was covered all over his body, and I'm sore. So I get off stage, and I'm just hanging over the pack and play. I've got my arm on his back.

I haven't been able to feel my arm in hours, and I'm singing. And I think he's finally asleep, and I take my hand off. And he looks up, and he goes, walk me home. And it's 4 a.m. at this point, I go, oh, we're taking requests. Okay. Walk me home in the dead of night. Oh, my mind. Yeah.

I want to meet change. He is. Always. Yeah. Hilarious. So you're here for like, you're here for four days. Do you have any plans, apart from promoting whilst you're here? Have you got any, like, destinations that you must, like, go to when you're in London? Apart from having maybe an Indian.

Do you like an Indian? You put non bread. Oh, I've been cooking nothing but Indian food for a month. My kids are so sick of it. But their favorite is the green coconut. curry. Okay. Indian food is my favorite.

My best friend who's here just got back from India. Very jealous. Can you get all the spices in? No. You should bring some back. I should. That's a good idea. Actually, I've got some spices here that came with that book.

You can hear. I love your mom. I'm glad we're best friends. When do I meet the kids? She does this to me. She ponds me off with all her shit. That's what she's doing, Alicia. I want that they all try masala?

Yeah. No, these are great. Charam masala. I have that, but I don't know if it's any good. Do you want the chai Masana? It's sweet isn't too. That's fine. And actually, these were given by a really nice cookbook.

Do you want the book? Yes, I do. Yes, please. He'll be so. Oh, my God. You should remember his name. You should. Thank you, person.

Tangy chili and mango sprinkle. That could be good. Oh, yeah, you'll make use of these. My God, I got to put my glasses on. And he sent all the, he sent all the, um, Mother tongue. Gertie Bloyal. Has now, yeah, you've got.

He's now blessed me with the beautiful. It is a beautiful cookbook, yeah. I feel like Gertie won't mind that you've literally just given pink. But it's science. Yes. She's like him to be this. No, he came to, oh. I know, he's lovely, he came to an event.

But won't he be happy that I've given it? It's a beautiful cookbook. God, it's gorgeous. But shouldn't I just go get one? No, we'll get another one. Gertie will be really thrilled. And it's a very nice cookbook. And it's all his...

I'm into these glasses with the pearls. Yeah, Jesse, you need that. I really... Crispy okra and honey masala corn, bell-peri. Okay, thank you. Tika Temporas scampi. Oh no, I'm about to get fat again. No.

What's... left to do for you? I mean, you tour, you're a queen of touring. When I got COVID and my son got sick and the world, the rug was pulled out from underneath all of us and then my father passed away. I distilled life down very, very quickly into what actually matters to me. What do I actually need? Who am I?

Who do I want to be? How do I get there? All these real serious life questions. And I realized that actually the only thing that I want is to see my, kids grow up and be okay that's it that's all I want everything else is gravy and what do I still have left to do I love touring I love it I enjoy it we have a great time I have authentic experiences with people in the audience we cry together we let go together we exercise our demons together it's freaking magic I'm lucky to do it and that's it

that's what I got I got a really good music family and I got a really good family at home. You're satisfied. I'm never, I mean, I mean, yeah, I guess, in a lot of ways, yes. Do you ever sing karaoke? Yes, I do. I'm so annoying. No one wants to sing karaoke with me.

Why? Because you're too good. Because I like to sing ballads. Oh, my God. Don't stop believing. My daughter's like, oh, God, you're so annoying. So it's don't stop believing. Don't stop believing, journey.

Or nothing compared. to you or greatest love of all Whitney Houston I'm like a total dork but if I want to be fun and not clear the room then I'll do like

if you want it and you got it just bust a move by young MC I think it is do you know that song I know it just bust a move you want

no I know it I like that you're willing to go there with me I don't know anything else apart from the chorus yeah that's good I think it's good you must have

had okay and you must have you've been doing music for what 23 years yes you were there at the in the golden time of fucking you know pop music pop music of you know you must have had the most ridiculous dinners out is there any memorable meal that you've had where you've you've you know been put in a situation where you're like hang on why am i at dinner with this person I had a weird run-in with Chimariquay. Oh, who I love. Me too. I love the music.

But he sat in the corner and stared at me all night. And then when I started talking to my manager for the 85th time, he flipped a table and left. No, I still. But there were no words exchanged. And I didn't, I'm still not sure what I did. I also had a person come up to me in a bar sitting across from my husband and go, who do you think he's having sex with besides yourself? oh why are people so strange what i was like um no is that himself i don't know

i'm like are you being cheated on is this something you okay talk about are you okay oh god i go and then by no accident he didn't know what that person was saying to me but he saw my face was weird and he he goes hey i go hey he goes you're so fucking hot and i go I should have just said you're not. No, her husband said that. Your husband said that. Carrie said at that exact moment. No, it was a woman that said that to me.

I was like, oh, that's not cool. I have no idea. But I get in weird, people, yeah, people are weird. I love it. I love weird. Do you? I just think it's, I mean, yeah, it's kind of messed up. Have you performed at Las Vegas?

Yes. A residency. No. No. do that? I would. It would be quite convenient. I would be the best Cirque show that Las Vegas ever saw. Yeah, you do like the whole challenge.

Yeah. So hang on. Okay, this is something that the itch must be scratched. Las Vegas would be fun because I have to do things that can travel, but when you don't have to travel, that opens up such a box of fun because you can have water, you can have all these things that you can't have when you travel. And it's just there. And it's like, oh.

So do you still do trapeze? Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Yep. Are you scared? No. Yes. Mom, you've got to, you've got to wash the dog.

Not the one that I want. And you're going to come to the show in the summer. Yeah. And you're going to like, your mind is going to be blown. You'll bring the matzabal soup. I will. You'll see me fly around. Please bring your kids because then my kids will have somebody to play with.

That's, yeah. I honestly, we can show your kids a good time. I love how. instant kids become friends. Literally like... And then they just both saw that way. Yeah, I know. Okay, that was great.

But she might be friends with Jameson rather than... No, my daughter will only want to speak to Willow. Okay. Should we like that? Yeah, and Jameson will... Well, maybe Jameson will... I don't know. Willow's ears pierced.

Yes. How old was she? She was probably seven or eight. Willow wants double, triple. Yeah, we can wait on that. eventually yeah i i'd rather take her to get it done the right way because i pierced my own self so all of these are pierced i i pierced my own nose with a thumbtack oh my god i know your poor mother yeah i'll go with that pink alicia friend it's been an absolutely trace

so much for feeding me such a pleasure i love your relationship and it gives me hope oh you about what just the future with my babies you are you are You are smacking it. You are the parent that I aspire to be. Oh, God. No, you're amazing. Sorry, you are the parent. You are the parent.

Thank you for feeding me. Such a pleasure. And best of luck with Trustful. Thank you. And can't wait to see you live. Thank you. And we've got a tea towel for you. Oh.

That's all. Oh, I love it. Table manners. And I came in here and just cursed up a storm. No, this is, you know. They're going for quite a lot of living. I still, if you ever hear from Jamirica, Will you please let me know

what was the table thing? I'm going to find that out for you, babe. Don't worry. We're going to find it out. You felt like a dream. You fault like a drain, darling. That's why she packed so well. Look at you.

Fitting it into the luggage tonight. How fabulous, Pink. I loved her. I loved hearing about how she packs. I loved hearing about the psychic. I loved hearing about the chicken and matzaballs. Her quiff. I feel like I could pray in the Church of Pink.

Yeah, synagogue of Pink. She's so warm, she hugged me lots. Loved her. Yeah. I felt appreciated. I would like to see her again. Me too. Pink, thank you so much for coming on.

You're just wonderful. And that's the end of Second Helpings this season. but we'll be back very soon for season 18 of Table Manners. Am I that old? My God, we should have an 18th birthday party. Yes. Thank you to everyone for coming on our podcast so that we can even do a second helpings

and just what an amazing bunch of guests. And we have plenty more where that came from for Season 18 of Table Manors. We'll see you then. Thank you.