Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Bonus Episode: Reel Genius | 10.6.19

Episode Date: October 6, 2019

A PhD student picks our brains about this crazy cassette community.

All right, check, check, check. Tabs out. You got to remember to record it. You know that, right? Yep, I see the lines. You recording right now? Yep. Just checking.

Too spooky. Way too spooky. Tabs out. Cassette podcast. Bonus episode. I'm Mike. I'm Jamie. And it's just the two of us. A reduced bonus brigade today.

What happened to Ian? Did we let him go? I had to let him go, yeah. I caught him listening to CDRs we let him go? I had to let him go, yeah. I caught him listening to CDRs in the back, and I had to let him go. Santa Clown Factory, pal. Get the hell out of here. This is a very important episode, Jamie.

We do a lot of fooling around, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. A lot of, like, sometimes we'll say something and go like, because it's funny. Okay, yeah. Yeah, you just did yeah okay so but today is it's a serious it's a business one okay okay um here's what's going on a lot of times we get emails from um from these let's just say these fucking freaks who listen to this show will email us they want to pick brain. They want to find out about the cassettes. You know what I mean? And sometimes

I'll get an email about somebody doing a school paper or something like that. Or somebody's doing something about the cassette comeback. The cassettes are always coming back. They're always just about to come back. They've been on the brink of coming back for a few years now. And this dude,

I don't know if i can say his name because i don't really have his permission or anything well this dude i'll bleep out his name okay if it's if he's not cool with it he goes to i think like the university of australia and i could do the voice i could do the accent no let's not let's not. Let's be respectful. I'm not going to do it. And I could do it. And I could do it well. But I'm not going to do it. But he is, this is for like a PhD paper. You know why we're talking about this?

Should we play a cassette? Okay. Did you bring anything? You told me not to, so I didn't. I told you not to. Well, actually, I don't think you told me not to. I think you said I don't need to. You didn't say anything.

Put on this skin graft tape. I'll put it on. On Unifactor. I don't know if we played this on the show or not. I hope this doesn't just rip in. You familiar with this? Wyatt Howland's project? Yeah, definitely.

Not this specific tape, but yeah, I have a few releases of his. Who's on the cover? That's the ghost from He-Man, right? From He-Man. Right, right, right. That's like a Street Smarts style of him, right? That's very nice. Street Smarts.

Look at those big red shoes. Wait for this. It's playing. You don't have it. You got the tape deck muted? I don't. No? I'm getting a signal here.

You got a signal? Oh, you know what? We'll cut all this out. Okay. I don't have the tape deck hooked up. Okay. Were you doing some dubbing? I was doing some dubbing.

You know what I'm going to do, though? Watch this. Watch this. That didn't work, did it? What do we got? See, the thing about skin graft is... I can't tell if it's working you don't know if the deck is broken or that deck yeah i don't know this might be it i don't know this shit might be noise i don't know well anyway this dude is working on like turn this down a little bit this dude is

working on like a phd okay i guess a ph about cassettes. He went to pick my brain. So he sent me over these questions. So I'm going to hand you the phone. I haven't read them yet. Okay. So I'm going to interview you? You're going to ask me... Well, this is...

I'm not typing my fucking answers. Are you kidding me? Okay. You think I got that kind of time? All right, let's go. Okay. So, well, first of all, scroll... How many questions are there?

How much shit does this guy want to know? And again, I could do the accent right now. I could do it. 12 questions, but some are two-part questions. They're about 15 questions. All right, let's do it. What's the first one? How did Tabs Out start?

Tabs Out, one word. How did it start, or when did it start? How did it start? How did it start? What a weird question. How did it start? I don't know. Okay. How do it start? How did it start? What a weird question. How did it start? I don't know. Okay.

How do you think? This will be pretty. He's going to get an A plus on his paper. I'm going to tell you how it started. Okay. Do they grade like PSGs like that? A plus. Satisfactory.

As many people know, it started off as a blog spot did you know that jamie i don't think a little history lesson for you i don't think i did first tape we recorded we reviewed i reviewed was the uh the tele is it called telecat prowlers grab that grab that on that like fifth shelf up you see that big tape that tape Reviver? Over to the right. Down, you're looking for poly cases. To the right. I should just go over there. Yeah.

That's Mark McGuire and Telecult Powers. Mark McGuire did a project called Catnap. Mark McGuire, not the baseball player. He juiced. I'm talking about the guy from Emeralds with a guitar. And I've seen him, and he obviously does not juice. There's no way. He doesn't have the bulk. But this was on...

Is it Temple? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Witchbeam's label. Okay. I've never heard of this tape, but it seems cool. Oh, it's good. But this was the first tape. I reviewed this tape. I know how much you like poly cases, too. I'll let a few people slide okay I'll let them slide I wrote much McCall reviewed this tape and then it was a blog spot for like a year

and then one dad said to Dave I said Dave we got we know so much about tapes we're so good and like also we're so funny and people like us yeah they're begging us do a podcast. And it was bad when we started. We did the first episode. We recorded it like eight times. Turn this up a little bit. I met you guys all around like episode 50.

You trying to shoehorn yourself into the origin story? Go for it. Knock yourself out, buddy. I'm not trying to do it. You're not getting in the paper that wasn't my point my point was uh i didn't i did not know you guys back then but i have listened to the early episodes and they're not they're probably not as bad as you think they are thank you for saying that i like uh on the old episodes when you're like this label called orange milk you like that huh yeah we can still do that yeah you like that kind

of shit when we don't know what's going on? When you don't know what's going on, yeah. We're on the cutting edge of a tape culture. Oh, and my father-in-law gave me an old Dell laptop. I had to do something with it, so I set that up. He gave me a big, nice machine. Is that the noisy

laptop that you use for your noises? No, it was a desktop. Did I say laptop? It was a desktop. Okay. It was a tower. It died. It's gone. No, it was a desktop. Did I say laptop? It was a desktop. Okay. It was a tower. It died. It's gone. No, my old, that was an HP. That sucker,

I used to put ice packs underneath of it because it gets so hot. Wow. You hear them cracking. Wow. If you didn't do that, it was just so loud.

That's crazy. Rest in peace. So what year was this? Well, it said, how did it start? It didn't ask when. It didn't ask when, so I refused to say the year.

Jamie, thank you for being my lawyer. That was very good. Let's move on to the next question. Do I have to unlock my phone or something? Oh, Jesus Christ. No, I don't. Here you go. I don't know how to use these phones. What's the next question?

Why do you focus on tapes? He didn't emphasize you. I just said it that way. Why do you focus on tapes well he didn't emphasize you I just said it that way why do you focus on tapes yeah what because we don't focus on the other stuff what are you talking about I guess he's trying what he's trying to get out here in the simplest way possible it's like why do you even like tapes I don't know people ask that all the time they're cool they're like little machines, right? Yeah. Look at the little parts and they're moving. Yeah, especially.

That's cool. Especially if you grew up in the 80s. You know, that's. 80s. It's like Stranger Things. You ever see Stranger Things? Have you ever heard Stranger Things? And you know I'm talking about the synthesizer.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 80s kids will understand this. Are you an 80s kid or a 90s kid, though? Like, what counts? What's the cutoff? Like, what do you mean when you grew up in? Like, what do you consider, what decade did you grow up in? I don't know.

See, well, I was born in 81. You were born in 80? 80, baby. I'm no millennial. 80, yeah. It? 80, baby. I'm no millennial. 80, yeah. It's hard to say. It's hard to say. Because we were like 10 around like 1990.

Yeah, so when did you start growing up? I grew up early. I matured early. But like a normal person. When did you first get your first like rock tape? What was your first like rock and roll tape? Oh, I don't know. I did like the, didn't you do like the...

Everybody did the Columbia House thing. 80s kids will understand this. No, I didn't do that until CDs. You didn't do that? You didn't do 12 tapes for a penny? No. You're losing money if you don't do that. Before my time.

What's the next... What was that question? Why do you focus on tapes? Because I got some. Next question. How many submissions do you receive each month? Like how many times does Dave submit to me? Like when we're fighting?

Several times. Often. I got him right now. I got my knee in his neck right now. How many submissions? Like how many tapes do we get? That's probably what it means. Too many.

Too many. It used to be. And I think there are some people that like email you and say, hey, can you review my tape? I know you've told me that before. They mean like how many physical tapes come in. I think that's some people that email you and say, hey, can you review my tape? I know you've told me that before. They mean how many physical tapes come in. I think that's what it means. Oh, it's a lot.

It's a lot. It's like 50, 60 tapes a month. Yes. I mean, I've seen the mailbag. That's a big bag. It's a big bag. It used to be like a package a day and it was a treat. You woke up to a nice treat.

But now it's just, it's a lot you woke up to a nice treat but now it's just it's a lot man what do i put on now anything around you want to hear a lot of the news oh you know what hold on you know i have a uh just a side note i was was in the shower today, and I thought of a... Go slower. More details. I thought of a conspiracy theory. Okay, hold on. I'm going to put on this Qualtion tape. On, what is it, Houdini Mansions?

They put out this thing called House of Cake. I placed something on. Okay, so you're on this. No, I'm not on this. This is a Qualtion tape. It just came out. What is it called? Goodbye to all that. Goodbye to all that.

Goodbye to all that. What's your conspiracy theory? Okay, my conspiracy theory, most of the listeners are probably familiar with German Army, right? And I see the wall of German Army tapes next to me. I think that Mike Haley is a secret member of German Army. No, you wish. No, I wouldn't be able to do it.

It's a collective. It's not a group. So I think like... Never have. Never have, never will. They put out like a tape a week. So I feel like you're on one of those. I got to say,

I feel like the quality of those German Army tapes, I think it's an insult to them to say that I would be on one. Okay. That's very humble of you. I was just thinking like, there's got to be people that we know that are part of German Army that just don't say anything. Because I think you're, like, sworn to secrecy. It's like a blood oath that you take. Cutting is involved.

These freaks love their cutting. Yeah. Well, it's just a theory. What's the next question? This is a stupid theory. How do I unlock this screen? Just push the button. Where's the next question this is stupid how do i unlock this screen just push the button where's the button i don't know it's like on the back the button's on the back oh there it is and you gotta swipe okay then it might be a code you have to put in i got it i got it okay next question what's the next question did the amount of submissions increase since you started i just did I just say? You said yes.

What did I just say? I just told you yes, they did. Okay, okay. Hold on. Here's the thing. It's been, you don't think more people have sent, like, I hope so. I hope. So when you were doing a blog, people were sending you, like, 60 tapes,

and now they're like, yeah. Okay. If so. Listen up, Chump. If so. If so. Oh, wait. This is a two. You mentioned earlier, Jamie, there would be a few two-parters. Listen up, Chump. If so. If so. Oh, wait. This is a two.

You mentioned earlier, Jamie, there would be a few two-parters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm beginning to think this is the first one. Okay. So if so, so we know this is a yes, so you got to answer the second part. What would you say is the reason for that? Oh, three-part question. What would you say is the reason for that, and which genre did increase the most?

Wow, that's actually a, now there we go. That's a good question. What would you say is the reason for that? And which genre did increase the most? Oh, wow. That's actually, there we go. That's a good question. Is that a PhD worthy question? That is a PhD. Give him his degree. What was the question? So what is the reason for more submissions

and which genre has increased the most? I'll tell you which genres increase. Everything that's not noise. Everything that's not so. Because people don't listen to me. Yeah, yeah. They just send it. They're Googling it.

You get a lot of indie pop tapes, a lot of hip hop tapes. And yeah, I'm fine with like, you know, it's the it's the it's it's the the bedroom pop stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't I get it. I get it. Yeah, I get it. And it's for bedroom pop stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. I get it. Yeah. I get it, and it's for someone. Yeah.

You know, like when you walk past a Spencer's Gifts and you see that weird shit and you go, somebody likes it. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You know, so. I gotta say, there's a few things I've gotten out of the mailbag in the past that have been very good.

But yeah, for the most part, that's generally not my thing. Who gave you access to the mailbag? A long time ago. A long time ago when I was still young and thirsty for tapes. That's been revoked, though. Yeah, you can't do that anymore. I think Ryan Mesteller gets all the tapes now.

He does. He does. Because he's the only one that does any work. Now, he's got a team like German Army. Grab a German Army tape off there. Eeny, meeny, miny, moe. Let's do this one. This one's nice and colorful.

That is nice and colorful. German Army Finai. I can't tell what... I don't recognize that logo. Let's see. Kikimora Tapes 2015. Okay. This is a very... Man, they used

Paint Shop to make this cover. Paint Brush? Paint Shop Pro? Paint Brush. Okay. Which one? I used to have Jask Paint Shop Pro. Okay. It was like Jask Paint Shop to make this cover. Paint Brush? Paint Shop Pro? Paint Brush. Oh, okay. Which one? I used to have Jask Paint Shop Pro. Okay. And I had, it was like Jask Paint Shop Pro 2.0, and I'd have to set the date back on my computer. Did you get it from a Warez site?

Yeah. And you had to put in the key card generator? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was a 30-day trial, so I had to keep setting my clock back. Oh, gosh. And it got to the point where I was setting it back years. But I had to use it. I don't want to learn anything new.

Did you ever get to 1969? Oh, I wish. Are you kidding me? All 80s kids will get that one, Jamie. All right. Next. Next question? What's next?

Please provide me the next question. This is another two-parter. Two in a row. Yep. That's next? Please provide me the next question. This is another two-parter. Two in a row. Yep. That's very interesting. What do you personally think about download codes that sometimes come with tapes these days? Now, see, they're over there in Australia.

They got their free education. Yeah. And this is what they do with it. That's what Bernie Sanders wants to bring over here. Yeah, yeah. He wants people going to college. He wants to erase all debt so people can ask, what do you think about download codes?

I don't like them. Because I'll tell you what happened. Jamie, I'll tell you a true story. Okay, tell me what happened. My old vacuum was a good vacuum and it broke because it got clogged. I didn't know it was clogged because it had cyclone action and was still functioning. Okay. But it was clogged. Okay. Cause it had cyclone action was still functioning.

Okay. But it was clogged and eventually the motor burnout. You know what happened when I took it apart? It was full of download. Full of download. It was like 20 of these little strips of paper in there. Now I know I, I shouldn't have vacuumed them up.

I know that now. Okay. I have a new nice, uh, it's like the, uh, you attach it to the wall and it charges okay yeah cordless it's like the new school dust buster i'm sorry oh i'll tell you what it's a dust it's a double dust buster

because it's a good product okay i'm not sucking any download codes up with that i don't use them do you use download twits i don't use the second part of the question hold on answer do you use them for your own consumption god damn damn. For my vacuum's consumption. I will say, yes, I am a fan of the download code because I'm a bit of an archivist, if you haven't noticed. You are. You're a pervert with that shit. You've done anything crazy on Discogs lately? Anything that's gone almost edging on getting you banned?

No, not quite. Not quite. You wouldn't. But, yeah, I do pick up some download codes off the floor now every now and then in this room. What, from this room? Yeah. You can't do that. Yeah, I got the Seth Graham download. I'm going to start searching you on the way out.

And I added it to Discogs. You would add it to Discogs. Good for you. You're doing a service. Thank you. Okay. So no, I don't use download codes, but Jamie does, so figure that out. Split those hairs. Okay.

I'm higher ranking than you are. Well, Mike, you're more pure. You listen to the format, whereas I listen to the format, but when I'm at work, I don't have a cassette player, so I like to listen on my phone. You know, it just dawned on me.

I just mentioned Bernie Sanders. Grab that Bernie Sanders tape that's back there. Oh, nice. I don't know. I'm not sure where it is. Is this a Jesse Durow? You know what? Oh, shit.

I think today's not the day this is released. I see it now. No, no, no. On the other wall. This one? Yeah, in the middle shelf. All the way to the right. Oh, I should put it all the way to the left.

What am I doing? When you put that back, put it all in the left, okay? That's a bootleg, though. I forget who sent it to me. Is it Jesse? No, I don't think it was Jesse DeRosa. I think it was someone else. I can't remember who, though. I'm sorry.

I've gotten some bootlegs from Jesse before. Are you serious? You're admitting a lot of crimes tonight. I don't know when this came out. We Shall Overcome tape. Look at young Barry Sanders on there. N30 Vermont artist. And it's a nice bootleg.

It's pretty good. Pretty good resolution on the cover. That's not bad. Not so good resolution for the credits. I'll take what I can get you. What are you going to do? That's okay. But I think today, not the day that this will eventually be released,

but today we're recording this. I think it is Bernie Sanders' birthday. Really? Happy birthday. Happy birthday. You know what I learned about Bernie Sanders? What did you learn about Bernie? Where is he on this tape, by the way?

I'm not sure. I learned that he is six foot tall. You know that? Exactly, huh? Yeah, he's like a tall guy. And nobody thinks that he's tall. Because he's hunched over all the time? Because he's always hunched over. But one common thing that people are surprised about when they meet him in person

is how tall he is. And also how he's strong. He's got like a strong grip. Not as strong as mine. No way. People think he's like a frail old also how um he's strong he's got like a strong grip people not as strong as mine people think he's like a frail old man but he's you know he's tall and strong you know what i do love people will lose their minds if he makes like like on the basketball court if he takes a shot from like three feet away and makes it yeah fuck man people will be sharing a gif of that or like when he like ran that one time i get it i get it like yeah no one thinks he's like no one thinks he's joe biden right right joe biden's eye filled up with blood

the other night for no reason did you see that uh like the when he got all the facts wrong about no no no i'm talking about on the um there was a a climate it was a just a debate on or a town hall on climate change with all like the right right and his eye just filled up with blood i missed that you missed that yeah a lot of other stuff going on i can understand that joe biden local a local flavor yeah i don't know what joe biden what's the next question um what is the cassette in the 21st century for you so this is an abstract what is the cassette what is the cassette in the 21st century for you dan he must have took a one hitter to the dome when he came up with this question there he is there turn it up a little terrible bit I saw above me that endless skyway yeah man listen to him

I saw below me that golden valley this land was made for you and me so what does the cassette mean to me in the 21st century yeah

what's that the year 5000 that's the Star Trek times right yeah what's that even mean what's the cassette mean to you Jamie I'll tell you what the cassette is it's bothersome here's the Star Trek times, right? Yeah. What's that even mean? What's the cassette mean to you, Jamie?

I'll tell you what the cassette is. It's bothersome. Here's the problem. Too much plastic. They need to come up with a way to make a tape using no plastic. We need to do that. There's too many things on cassette. People just put everything on it now.

Yeah. There's a lot of stuff, and I feel like a lot of it's just going to get thrown right away. Okay. It's a straight-to-trash-can release. I feel like there's a lot of straight-to-trash-can releases. Okay. And they're shrink-wrapped. Wasteful.

That is wasteful. The 21st century, you know what cassettes are to me? They're wasteful. I don't like them anymore. Yeah, you don't need it. I mean, you have digital download codes. Digital download. I love the download code.

I changed my mind. My new vacuum's way better. What's the next question? Okay. Do tape releases, for example, split tapes, help to connect artists and scenes in different locations throughout the U.S.? Two-part question. If so, how?

Just the U.S.? Throughout the U.S. Yeah, just the U.S. Just the U.S. Do not comment about other countries. I won't. Well, the first thing I thought about was tandem tapes. Tandem tapes?

From Indonesia. Indonesia, yep. I think it's always one artist from the US and someone from Indonesia, right? I think so, or maybe not the US, but maybe like UK and Indonesia, but yeah. But this question completely, I can't do it. I'm not allowed to mention that. Right, right. It has to be, read it to me again.

Do tape releases, for example, split tapes, help to connect artists and scenes in different locations throughout the US? Yeah, sure, why not? Yeah. I mean, that's been, you know, that's just like seven inches. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, why not? I think you made a really good point once. Thank you, yeah. I think a lot of times my points are right. I hold a lot of them in because I got so many. Well, a lot of times my points are right I hold a lot of them in because I got so many well a lot of artists they'll have a one side tape and they'll just repeat the program

on the B side and you're like just do a split just do a split how hard is it? find one of these bedroom pop kids yeah exactly you know what shit they got? I'm gonna put on something on tandem tapes I'm gonna grab something at random tandem tandem tapes. I don't know why. I'm going to grab something at random. Tandem tapes,

they're always, it's the white spine. I haven't seen anything in a while. Very uniform. This is vacuum exploration. Oh, I don't know this one. I don't know. This is a split width.

Who's a width? 10. So which one's the Indonesian Pearl Jam? Let's see. Let's open her up. Shout-outs to Sean Stelfox over in Indonesia. I can't read this black print on the... I can't do it.

I'm too old and it's too dark in here. To answer the question, though, I mean, like, I wouldn't say tapes have any unique way of doing that. People are on the online meeting each other, if you know what I mean. Yeah. I think splits are cool. Splits are cool. Yeah.

Splits are cool. To answer your question, splits are cool. What was the question? Are splits cool? Yeah, they're cool. Do they help connect artists in scenes? Of course. Okay.

Don't even ask. We're getting only five questions left, but there's a bunch of... Jesus Christ, five questions left? How long have we been recording? This next one's a three-part question. We've only been recording for 24 minutes. A three-part question? Three-parters.

Are you kidding me? Okay, first part. Too spooky. What do you think about the situation regarding cassette players these days? Wait, there's a situation? What happened? What do they do now? Google it. the situation regarding cassette players these days wait there's a situation what happened what do they do now google it what do you think about the situation regarding cassette play i don't actually is that really the whole question what's the first part of the multi-part question read the

whole thing maybe it would make more sense all right um so actually you don't read the whole thing because it'll definitely make more sense what do you think about the situation regarding cassette players these days what hardware do you use for the podcast sense. What do you think about the situation regarding cassette players these days? What hardware do you use for the podcast? How and where do you get them maintained? Is it getting harder to find decent quality hardware nowadays? That's like a four-part.

I missed the middle. Because he said how and where. So those are two different... If I had to diagram that sentence, man, there's all kinds of branches. What's the first part of the question? I'm not getting into that. So what do you think about the situation regarding cassette players?

So does he mean... I think he means like... How do you obtain one? Like, you know... I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Why would I know that? These people should know

when they're working on their PhDs that I'm in no way in authority on any of this. I don't know, man. What hardware do you use for the podcast? What's over there? We exclusively use Behringer. Behringer Mixer. Exclusively. Tabs out. This is Behringer. Samson Mikes, which is essentially Behringer.

You know what? I buy better equipment. I hollow it out. I fill it with Behringer guts. You do. I like that. I like that. There's a Teak back over there. Teak. Yep. Teak?

Is that how you say it? Yeah. I was going to say Teak. Yeah. Yeah. I picked up this guy at the thrift store the other day. Yeah. That's a good brand.

You know, Family Thrift just closed. I don't know. I don't know what that is. You don't know what that is. It's in Newport. Okay. It's been there for like 100 years. Okay.

Really big thrift store. Oh, that stinks. They always have electronics. It did stink, and now it's been there for like a hundred years okay really big thrift store that stinks they always have electronics it's it did stink and now it's closed yeah let's talk about local delaware uh geography okay so uh grooves and tubes in centerville yeah that they uh sell decks there and actually a friend of mine went there and he found a nakamichi the dragon right not the dragon that's like a dragon you hear it roaring and we'll go in there to see it and i'm not sure if you got the two head or the three head version or whatever but all those dragons they're supposed to be good um and then um you're saying he did buy something i think ian franklin he texted me

the other day and told me that there was a morantz tape deck lying around at grooves and tubes oh yeah didn't text me he didn't text you that's weird i haven't gotten over there but i that's weird that like i get like some ph PhD student wants to talk to me about... Ask me questions, and you get the tips on the tape decks? I get the tips. I get the hot tips from grooves and tubes. This sounds like insider trading. Hot tip about grooves and tubes.

They're only open Wednesday through Sunday. I was just wondering if they were still open, as were probably most of our listeners. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. What's the next part of that question? Is it getting harder to find decent quality hardware nowadays? It's getting so hard.

It's getting so hard to do everything. Are you kidding me? Yeah, see, the thing is you're being facetious, but I think it's very easy to find decks. People are selling them

on Facebook Marketplace. People are trying to get rid of this stuff. If they're in thrift stores, they're all over the place. I just told you that a big thrift store closed. Yeah.

So it got a little harder. And plus, I'm not on Facebook getting harder. That's closed. So it got a little harder. And plus, I'm not on Facebook anymore. A little harder. That's true. So it's getting really hard. Though I do see your... There's no profile picture, but your name is active. That must be a bootleg account.

Bootleg account, okay. Oh my God, so my bootleg me? Are you sure it's me? They spell it the same way? Yeah. Holy shit, I gotta look into that. Yeah. What's the next part of the question?

What do you think about cassette review sections on Bandcamp and spools out in the quietest? I'm over telling I didn't hear that. What was that part? What was the question? What do you think about cassette review sections on Bandcamp? What do I think about cassette review sections on Bandcamp?

I'll say this. I think they're nice. they're well written they're well thought through but isn't aren't reviews on Bandcamp just like advertisements yeah I mean pretty much

because they all link to a product that Bandcamp is selling right am I wrong I think so I don't think you're reviewing stuff that's not on Bandcamp

am I wrong no I'm right and then what about Spools Out what about Spools what do I think about Spools Out

yeah yeah I'll tell you what I think about Spools Out who's that Tristan Bath who's that never heard of him I'll tell you what I think about spools out? What do I think about spools out? Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what I think about spools out. Who's that? Tristan Bath? Who's that? Never heard of him. I'll tell you what I think about spools out.

I don't. All right? I don't think about spools out, and I sleep like a baby in a king-size bed. All right? Yeah. Do you think those are some Brexiters, the spools out guys? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Hardcore Brexiters. They're having a laugh. What do I think about spools out guys absolutely absolutely they're having a laugh what do i think about spools out yeah next question that's what i think about uh what do you here's the next question what do you think about cassette based podcasts like norelco mori oh is this guy just trying is this all a big act is this like in they uh are theseason, everybody teaming up against me? Why are you talking to me about my rivals? Noriko Mori. You were on an episode of Noriko Mori. I was.

It was probably their most listened-to episode. Are you kidding me? No, I like Ted Butler. Ted Butler, he's one of those synthesizer perverts that, like, it looks like he lives in an orthodontist's office. Everything's real white and sterile. There's, like, one plant in, plan in the little bit of sunlight he gets. And then the synthesizers are all like...

Every night he's cleaning his synthesizer with a Q-tip. Yeah. Welcome to Noroco Mori, episode five. Today, we'll be playing Dense Silence from a Norwegian man who's been living in a squirrel for eight years. It's not on anymore. He doesn't do them anymore, does he? He hasn't put out an episode in like a good half a year.

Yeah. But every now and then, there's been a couple that came out this year. He's probably just been steady petting like a black cat in a corner for like all these years with one tone playing. He plays a lot of, you know, this being an east coast uh podcast we get a lot of east coast big time mid-atlantic there's a lot of west coast 95 corridor wawa yeah duncan donuts before you go on naroko mori release.com oh yeah i'm just like i'm looking for it behind you stand up and see if you can find it it's probably black and white it's got to be black and white oh there it is i see it no no no middle row all now that's all the way to the left like it's now go to the left

all the way and then stop there's a hatcher's tape and then you went by it you went too far to the right oh i see it right there you're right about the j card black and white huh yeah cover is a like a landscape it's a dismal landscape yeah oh it's got to be dismal is there like one knob in the corner or something no there's some uh grass and let's pop it in yeah here read the read the track list i'm not even sure what side it's going in right now look at the black tape with nothing on it of course are there any screws no No screws. There are. They're black screws. I think he took them all out and painted them with nail polish.

All right, first side, artist named Blind. Next artist is Oijurum, which is probably Norwegian, like you said. Desroy, Grozny Penthouse, Headdress, which is Ted James Butler. Lower Tar. Lower. B-side is Conchetta. Sequences. Tom Hall.

Sleep Clinic. And Gran. There's a slash through the O. There's always one of these. One of these always has a weird thing with one of the letters. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of Norwegians.

It's like L.A. artists and Norwegian artists. I like Norelko Mori. There's definitely a... I'd put Mori. I'd put it on. I'd put it on when I would clean the house. You put it on. Yeah, it's a good vibe. Because I like to listen to music, but every once in a while I like to feel some human contact.

Yeah, yeah. I need someone to say something to me. And Dave and Joe, they're just not answering my calls like they used to. I don't blame them. I wonder what this is. I think this is blind. I don't blame them. I wonder what this is. I think this is Blind. I don't know who Blind... Oh, you know what? Blind is B. Lind, who is the

guy that does Finery. I think he used to do Finery. Yeah. What's the next question? Next question. What is it? What do you think about Burger Records and Cassette Store Day? Jesus Christ, man. what is it is what do you think about burger records and cassette store day oh jesus christ man what is it like is this just a whole the greatest hits burger records i obviously don't

do you know anything about them i don't know anything about i don't know anything about them i think they put out like music by bands that wear like drug rugs and like loud sneakers or something i'm not really sure. Like, rock. They're smoking weed. Rolled up weed. Listen, we're way too underground for something like that. Are you kidding me, man? Call me when you're underground. Cassette store day.

Give me your honest thoughts. My honest thoughts? I've talked a lot of shit secretly. I love it. It's my favorite day. It's your favorite day. Mike's always first in line. Anywhere. Anywhere. I just show up.

I just show up somewhere, and I hope that's the cassette store. And if it's not, I get something else. What else do you have? I miss my kid's birthday for cassette store day. I think Burger Records used to do, or still do, a thing called Wiener Records or Hot Dog Records or something where I don't know how it worked. It was some kind of gimmick. I think it was a pyramid scheme where somehow they would put out the

tapes under the umbrella name of Wiener or Hot Dog. None of this rings a bell whatsoever. They should do something called Footlongs and it's LPs. I like that. Frankfurters. That could be the German. Cassette Sourdough. I don't get

what the Cassette Sourdough. I don't get what's going on. I think that's also a pyramid scheme. Somehow somebody's making a few dollars off that every year. Well, it's like Sub Pop will reissue a Mudhutting release from the 90s on Cassette. Thank God. I think somehow

cassette store day it got started by a bot i think by accident and i think there's some paypal account that every year gets like 20 in it somehow but no one has access to it i gotta say um true story one time i uh me and joe b were in line at rainbow records for cassette store day and we went in and we checked it out there were some tapes for sale. I think he left with a Bonnie Prince Billy tape. It was fun. You're telling a story about this. Me and Joe B.

There's five other people in line. It's not like Record Store Day. Who were the five other people? I didn't recognize them. I didn't even recognize them from the Final Friday shows. Speaking of Joe B., do you want to give him a call? Yeah, let's call him. You'd have to call him on your phone. We'll ask him the next question. Okay. He won't be able to hear me, but

I think he'll You should put it on speaker? Speaker. Very nice. He has picked up every time so far. He has picked up. What else is he going to be doing? That's a good point.

He doesn't get these kind of duties. Where is he? Oh, you've got to be kidding me. That's probably his number on there. Go to Joe 303-3-0. Don't even leave a message now. I want the whole build-up, then no message. What's the next question?

Next question. And where's the cover for this? And this. I'm losing. You're keeping all the... What are you doing over there? Send over all the material. I don't know.

I'm off my balance with Ian not being here. I know. Normally, you could hand it to him, right? Yeah. Yeah. He does all my dirty work. Can you unlock your screen? Oh my god, man. I thought you worked

in the tech industry. I can't hack into a phone. Have you been jail breaking my phone, by the way, over there? You better not. Should we read, like, he sent over this the purpose and expected benefits of this research we shouldn't read that right that's that's rude there's no reason to do that i don't want this to be a rude

podcast no of course not no this is um for real research at a real university what's the next question and based on the next question we'll pick a tape okay so this is the final question this is it this is the final yeah wow all. What does the future of cassettes look like? For example, in 10 years. For example. The example of 10 years. If you need an example of what the future is, 10 years is an example of future. Hold on.

Give me a. Hold on. Here I am. This doesn't connect at all, but I'm just going to put on this basement tapes comp. Another comp. Basement tapes. Who's that comp. Basement Tapes. Who's that? What's the dude's name?

I can never remember people's names. Here, read the lineup on there. It's a New England operation. J.M. Drug solo. Turn it down a little bit. That's very scary. Way too loud. It's too scary. Fletcher Pr. J.M. Drug solo. Turn it down a little bit. That's very scary. Way too loud.

Fletcher Pratt. Pete Wilson. Glom. Moak Groton. Groton. Pulse emitter. Side B. Concrete Shiva.

Jeff German. Frozen body. Scozy Feshtick. Crank Sturgeon. I forget when this came out. Does it say on there? It feels like a This is basement tapes 54

I'm gonna say this feels like a like a 2012 this feels like at the 2012. Yeah, it's got a 2012 it's got a Obama second term kind of vibe. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's why he became supportive of gay marriage I can feel that and I can feel that in the zeitgeist Go to Joe Joe Joe B's con. Oh, he's gone turn this down. I already hear that in his zeitgeist. Hold on, I want to... Joby's calling. I don't want to be able to hear it. No, call him back. Call him. Hello?

Hey, Joe. It's Jamie. Your friend Jamie. Can Joby hear me? He probably can hear you in the room, yeah. Can you hear me, Joe? I can kind of. I can kind of hear whoever that was.

I want you to be able to faintly hear me. Is that the case? Can you faintly hear Mike? I can faintly hear Mike. Okay, perfect. Go to Joe. That's all we want. That's all I ever want.

So we just have a question for you. What do you think the future of cassette tapes is? For instance, in the next 10 years? All right, hold on one second. Is he getting his answer? He got prepared ahead of time.

I was bringing my dog inside. Okay. All right. The future. Let Joe know that it's better when he does something like this for the podcast purpose to have like a funny thing that he made up. Yeah. Make sure you come up with a one liner. Tell him we'll try it again. Give us another reason.

I think they're going to get bigger. They're going to get bigger? Like in size? In girth? Yeah, just in thickness. They're just going to be thick. Like thick tape? Hell yeah.

But they're going to be the same size. Wait, what do you mean the same size but but you think like like deeper well yeah like like thicker thicker but but like shorter because it would be the same volume displacement it's the same if you looked at it as a silhouette it would look exactly the same but then when you turn it on the side it's thicker and that's in 10 years? that's in the next 10 years I mean you know the Japanese are doing crazy stuff

it could be 5 to 7 yeah so that's where I'm at with that one that's pretty good what are you guys doing? we're recording a bonus podcast Ian Franklin is in Los Angeles California the city of Angeles sometimes I feel

I'm just realizing that's where Noroco Morey is from so it's just you and Mike yeah how's that dynamic Joe I'm doing what I can It's just you and Mike? Yeah. How's that dynamic? Joe, I'm doing what I can. You know, I can only do so much with the material he's giving me. I'm sure Jamie's whipping you in shape.

Yeah. I'm quizzing him. Oh, nice, nice. Is this live right now, or are we just casual talking? This is live. Oh, this is live. this is live oh i didn't know i should put my my live voice on hold on hello that's much better it's better right read joe another question no you know what i don't have the questions anymore we don't have the questions anymore okay joe we're done with you all right i'll see you buddy thanks what do i

think about cassettes in the next 10 years? I also agree they will get thicker. But I'm going to be almost 50 years old. I'm going to be wondering how I get rid of these cassettes, Jamie. Yeah. That's what I'm going to be thinking about. I'm going to be bringing them to your house. That's what happens.

That's what happened with Ron Lessard. The Big Cube. RRR Records. Yeah. The Big Cube went to a library. Yeah. He had like 10,000 tapes that he just donated. Yeah, I don't have that kind of number.

I'm not sporting that kind of number. Well, I think Ryan Mesteller, with the amount that you shipped over to him. He's getting up there, yeah. Yeah, turn this up a little bit. All right, how long has this been? We're only at 43 minutes. Do you think we figured out this person's PhD thing?

I think so. I think he'll get the degree. Should I do the accent now? Should I do a couple of one-line? Yeah, I think so. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. Yeah, shout-outs to...

Who's from Australia? We should play... Maybe we should play an Australian. Do you have any... Justice Yeldam or... No. He's too scary. He eats too much glass.

You know, Mike Nigro. I was just going to say Oxtail Records. You want to call him? I don't know. That might use up all your data, though. What time is it in Australia? It's 9. I think it's always 4.20 somewhere, man. What time is it in Sydney, Australia? In Sydney, Australia, it's 11.16am.

Oh, it's morning time so maybe we can do like a FaceTime like a video chat with Mike Nigro I'll grab a tape Mike Nigro, friend of the show alright I'm doing I'm doing a video chat with him right now I'll grab a Luke Nigro case, his brother.

Luke Nigro. Yeah. A younger Nigro. This is Oxcow 39. I don't know if I'm close enough to my mic. I don't think he's going to pick up. What are the odds you think? Oh, Mike's camera is off.

Hey, Mike. Hello. Hey. You're on the air with Jamie and Mike. I thought this day would never come. Ask to tell him he needs to go to Griffith University for us. Hey, oh, here's some video. Hey, look at that.

We get to see each other. This is great. The 21st century. Mike, what does a cassette taste mean to you in the 21st century for example 10 years for example 10 years yeah you think they'll be thicker what will cassette tapes mean in 10 years mike yeah what do you think? In Australia, what do you think they'll mean in Australia? Probably less than they mean now. Yeah. Man, we're ending on a low note.

We're listening to Luke Nigro. We're listening to your brother play some sappy-ass music and you're talking about how cassettes aren't going to be cool anymore. That's my bread and butter, man. Cassettes are my bread and butter. That one's very meaningful, I think. It's my brother.

Mike, how's Australia? Yeah, how is it? It's good. It's tomorrow here. So you guys are doing your Sunday night fun time. Meanwhile, I'm at work. Oh, hold on. You're at work on the next day? No, no.

It's all true. Oh my God. Why didn't they warn us about 9-11 alright should we end it now I think so yeah we're doing a very academic show from an Australian scholar is his name okay that's close enough okay yeah maybe he knows

we can't use this episode i think it's time to go all right mike see you later cut us jamie