Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Episode #173 | 12.19.21

Episode Date: December 19, 2021

We close out the year with a little help from Angel Marcloid, Ryley Walker, Rachel & Grant Evans (Hooker Vision), Tim Thornton (Suite 309/Tiger Village), Headboggle, and Mike Nigro (Oxtail Recordings). Tracks by Fire-Toolz, ΜΜΜΔ & ALEM, Tiger Village, DIDA, Steve Gunn and Ryley Walker, Sparkling Wide Pressure, Bitchin Bajas, Headboggle, and Bastian Void

You're so dumb, you just don't get it. What tape are you playing? We're going to play some cassette. Bummer. We're going to play some cassette. That's a big, big, shoddy number. I have no clue. We're going to play some cassette. They hear me like, we're going to play some cassette. 30 years later. We're going to play some cassette. Oh, and everything happens.

We're going to play some cassette. I played the goddamn tape. Played the goddamn tape. Lordy, I hope there are tapes. Tabs out. Cassette podcast. Is my microphone on? Yes.

Are you messing with me? Because I can't hear anything. No, I turned the room down a little bit because it was crackling. All righty then. Tabs out, Cassette Podcast, episode number 100. And I'm going to say, Dave, if I say, can you just help me? 100 and... I cannot tell you.

It's confidential. It just takes one second. You should have it already. We should have this before... 173. 173. Three healthy meals and before. 173. 173. Three healthy meals and snacks. And snacks. Not just...

Oh, I should say, I'm Mike. You heard Dave. I'm Dave. We got some friends on the Zoom. We got some good pals on the Zoom. Go ahead and introduce yourselves one at a time. All right. I'm Jamie.

It's Manny. So we got jamie orlando maddie mcpherson am i saying that right orlando like this turn my headphones up i can't hear anything dave dave's trying to dave is trying to kill me that perfect. On this end of the year episode, we're going to, we got a lot of work to do here. We got a, because you know goddamn well that the top 200 cassette list is coming out.

It's probably, I would say, should we put out this episode with the list? Like, should the list be underneath of this episode? It should be on a, like an accordion piece of paper

that folds down underneath your phone. We don't have that kind of time. We don't have that kind of time. Jamie can do it. He's like a programmer. Jamie can do this kind of stuff, can't he? Red X.

Yeah. Jamie, just look down. Wait, you have to be looking down. You're going to listen to this on your phone. You can't look down. Go to the website. It's there. The top two.

Either way. Wait, what was look down going to be? Look down because the list is underneath of the episode. It's streaming. It's under your chair. Everyone look under their chairs. Listen, what I'm trying to get at, I'm so excited about it. The top 200 tapes of 2021.

2021. That's the year, sure is very excited maddie you've written about like you've kept the site afloat you've written about every tape that's ever that's every single every release that we're going to talk about tonight what is what is a tape that what is a tape let's start there for some of the nudes sometimes I fucking just do a line of that off my own boner

ferric oxide anyone can yeah no what would you what is a tape that has jumped out at you this year? A tape that jumped out? Don't make a joke. That sounds scary. Don't make a joke.

Don't make a joke. It's not. No, it's just a regular thing. Right in my hand right now, I got Black Dresses Forever in Your Heart. What is this? Oh, you didn't hear the Noisepop duos. I believe this is their fourth album? No, I haven't heard the first three, so I'm going to be probably probably lost as hell i don't fucking believe oh that's okay that's okay they canceled

themselves as a band they just said we're done being a band in 2020 and then good surprise dropped an album and they had this genius release strategy where they were just gonna do three runs of 150 tapes like every band campaign just drop it for the fans you're calling this a strategy? so you say we broke up and then you put out tapes after that and that's the strategy

the release of letting 150 fans buy at a time because the tapes sell incredibly fast why don't I know about this? you just gotta get it but the thing is the music is really lovely. This is fantastic stuff. Is this the dress where some people see it's blue and gold?

No, no, I wouldn't say it's anything like that. It's more like... Because I heard about it. It's kind of how much you're feeling it. Dave, you've heard about the dress where... The dress? Oh, yeah, everybody's heard about the dress. Where it's blue and gold. Stone Cold Classic. Is it on the 200 list? Did we's heard about the dress. Where? It's blue and cold. Stone Cold Classic.

Is it on the 200 list? Did we put it on the top 200 list? I think we did. We did? I want to say I asked you to put it on, so I'm going to assume you did. And if you didn't, it's just going to be there. Well, we have speaking... I'm manifesting it. Yeah, I'm generally in charge of the final decisions on this top 200 list, so

in my infant wisdom, I'll decide what number exactly. I'll do some of my calculations, some of my... I'm in the stacks. I'm like Keanu Reeves. Matrix, I'm making all the decisions.

Who is our first guest, Jamie? The one and only angel mark lloyd please where you're not doing this quickly enough you were supposed to be the master of the zoom oh you want me to announce her before she comes in excuse me excuse me would you let fire tools into this room, please? It's one second. It should happen already. It should already be happening. It's one second.

No, it shouldn't even. He's going to do it in 30 seconds. Where? This is the end of the year show. Looks so beautiful. This is taking so long. Jamie, you suck at this, man. Fucking suck at this.

Many, many french fries. You don't even have tapes, do you, Jamie? It's a fake background. What's that vinyl back there? Fire Tools put out one tape this year. Over here comes four. Just one. Just one.

But it's like 70 minutes, so it could have been two. Is it that long? It's four CDs worth. And you know, we're getting it on one tape. Is it really four CDs worth? Yeah. No. Four three-inch CD-Rs worth. I think it's a double

CD. If Fire Tools was in this room right now, I'd probably ask. A double three. I'd probably ask all these questions double three inches like the funniest here we go here we go what's going on we're admitting admit it angel angel i'm here hello thank you for joining us we were just talking about you i don't believe it you know why were just talking about you I don't believe it you know why we were talking about you Angel

um because I need to shower more yes yes no we were talking about the top 200 tape list am I on it share your video by the way I don't even alright let me hook up my camera

this is bullshit oh you gotta hook up a camera never mind just no no it's not gonna take long no no no no it's fine I'm gonna do it

who cares it could be this could be good and interesting this could work out but Jamie's already fucked up okay oh I have wine I'll start drinking now

if you want what did you say I said I have wine I can start drinking now if you want yeah go ahead really i said i have wine i can start drinking now if you want yeah go ahead could you really chug it because it's gonna be short it's legal we're doing it what tape did you put out this year what fire tools tape um uh eternal home and also uh the instrumental version what do you mean instrumental version i'll have to take your word for most of this because i did not get a copy in the mail no one sent me one so whether or not this so whether

or not this exists on tape is sort of a mystery yeah well there's two there's two tapes there's the the uh eternal home the regular version and then the instrumental they both exist. And they're both on Hasu Mountain. Yeah. I have some very... Do you think you're on the top 200 list? Do you think you got what it takes? I do, yeah. I think I do. Jesus Christ. Where do you think you landed?

Just take a guess. Where do you think you landed? Oh, is it ranked? It's ranked. Oh gosh, I don't know. Yes, it's ranked. Just throw me in the middle no angel what number one you received number one you want me to say that i'm number one no you have received you are number one this is a very big deal this is a very big deal. Can I share my screen? You can share anything.

You can't hear all the sound clips right now, by the way. I can sort of see, or sort of hear it. Look at it all the way on top. Look at that. Number one. That's crazy. God, I wonder how many of these I mastered. I see two already. So what happens on this tape?

What happens on every single track? What happens on every song? Start reading the lyrics. A lot of things happen on all of them. What's the first song called? Describe the sheet music. I don't know how to read sheet music. Oh my God, are you serious?

That's why I said just describe it. No, I can can a lot of uh black ink on white paper um no i can read the rhythms um i just have to stare at the at like melodic sheet music for a bit and like decipher it i can't like sight read it oh my god what does that even mean i can do like the the the e-a-d-g- no, wait, that's a guitar. C, yeah, C. I don't, you know, I don't know. I can't do it. Are you even playing the guitar? Does the staff change when you drop D?

No, you just write a little note at the beginning of the measure to tell you that it means D. Hold on. I think the line should be looser. Let me write this down. I don't, I'm not. I never do drop D. I'm in drop C. That's where my guitar usually lives.

I love this kind of talk. I absolutely love this kind of talk. Just rock and roll talk. Welcome back to 120 Minutes. I'm Thurston Moore from Sonic Youth. Do you play drums anymore? Yeah, sometimes. I have an electronic kit

here in my room. i don't really have a acoustic kit anymore it's kind of in pieces but um but i technically yes i do play drums still i guess you could say you played on the fire tools stuff or is it like all programmed to make it's my cell phone it's i i hate this question um answer it anyway ask it one more time no wait i figured you always shut up shut up i do play acoustic drums on uh three of the songs but the rest are programs yeah and actually the most impressive drumming is the acoustic drumming in my opinion and what are you what what what are you spending more more time on mastering these tapes now i always see everyone is saying mastered by angel mark lewis what does that what does that can i

ask a question just like one question kind of an audio like geek question uh-huh what does that mean it means i make it better mastered by like what are you doing i make it well i make it i make it published ready and i i refine it okay no i get that no no no i get that that part i get that part i get but like what does it like mean you mastered it do you want a philosophical answer you mastered it what does that mean it's a stupid word what is that how many times do you have to listen to something to master it? Not that many times, depending on what's going on, depending on how difficult of a piece of work it is to deal with.

Maybe only a couple. It depends. If you mix really, really well, you make my job really easy, and it doesn't have to be as much work or take as long. I'm serious. Well, how long does it take uh i mean it really depends on the length and how many songs there are um maybe on average yeah but like i don't know but why why why does it take me a whole day to a whole day at the but that's the worst case scenario though that's worst case scenario you feeling pretty good about being number one honestly i'm just i'm surprised i mean

i'm not gonna like be super humble and be like oh i can't believe i'm on this list but being number one that's actually crazy there's probably a lot of really good stuff on there do you think if you called up either doug or max from hasu mountain now i see i know they have i know they have cash because they're making bucket hats for you they're making those are made to order they wouldn't have done that if they why haven't i saw i saw a fire tools weed grinder i haven't received one oh can they not get the bucket hats and stuff not go outside the u.s i know that uh grinders can't no you're thinking of you're thinking of bucket

head bucket head can't go outside the united states yeah yeah that's another story if you know i mean they they gotta have some cash because they're funding double lps and stuff but yeah they uh but tapes are back they're saying tapes are back call them up to tapes next year wow i can't believe people still listen to those call them up i'm saying call them up right now and say say you're gonna be number one on the tabs out top 200 list which is like the biggest fucking deal i love how you say call them up as if Max and Doug just like live together call them up on their 800 line and tell them that that tabs out said you can be number one but it's going to cost $500 and ask if they'll split it with you can I just text them yeah definitely that'll work for the podcast just text them no you got to call them okay I have to call

them and what am I asking them? Tell them that you were offered the number one spot. Okay. But it's going to cost $500, and ask them if they'll pay half. All right, I'm going to call Doug. Call him right now. Put on the speakerphone. Okay.

And everyone shut up. For all you people listening. And I'm assuming we got Doug and max both there on it no they're not both they'll both be there they'll both be there hey doug um tabs out said that um i can have the number one spot on the best album of the year but they said they need 500 and they're wondering if you could if you could send them 500 so so I could be number one. While I appreciate the business proposition, I'm going to have to... Tell him $200.

Tell him $200. Okay, how's $200? Well, you're the artist here. How much do you think you're willing to expense? Ask him how much does he think it's worth cash out of your pocket okay all right well here's here's the next question how much do you think this is how much do you think it's worth even if you can't afford it how much i know he can afford it i know i like the bucket hats to fund an ace of marijuana an ace with an ace how much is that

one ace out oh an eighth i thought What's an ace? How much is that? One eighth ounce. Oh, an eighth. I thought you said an ace. I thought that was like a... I'll tell you what. I'll do it for an ace of marijuana. I'll do it for one eighth. Okay, cool.

Oh, I hate drugs. Right, yeah, because marijuana has racist implications. I learned that, I think, this year. Yeah, I apologize. No, it's called cannabis.

And I will give one eighth ounce to mike haley next time i see him whatever that may be you got mike three eights once it's if once i i've never i've never injected before but once he sends me the ace of marijuana once he doses me you, you got the spot. This is the radio, right? Mike is the radio. Mike is the radio. I don't think it's bribery as much as it is just how much they charge for the slot.

It is what it is. I don't know. You can talk to Mike later. They told me to call you and ask you. Oh, I'm sorry. The Pitchfork list. That all right well yeah i guess that's all i'll let you go they got what they needed i guess i actually didn't get what i needed that wasn't really that good we won't talk about toilets yes let doug go thank you so much thank you doug for putting out the best tape of the year all right thanks for the send me that ace

Thanks for the money. Thanks for the money All right. Bye Okay, angel, we're gonna play a little bit of this tape that the best tape do you have what tell me one thing you want To say about it before you go It's it's like 80 minutes of music But I already only two more hours of music that I already finished that I want to put out. So this album is already old school to me. There you go. Fantastic.

Fantastic. Well, thank you for joining us. Thank you, Angel. Okay. Bye-bye. Am I leaving now? Yeah. You're released.

Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye. Good night. Bye-bye. Good night. Who else wants to play a tape? We'll do a round of tapes.

Does anybody else have anything they want to play? Are we going to play the Black Dresses tape? What about this guy? What about number two? I got another one. We're getting to that. Wait. I got another one down here.

You got another one? What do you want? I think, Mike, we were sharing this. We were both coming around to this one on the list. What is it? It's a Muhammad and a Lem. Yeah, this was one. Dave, you're making a voice like you heard this one

you know about this one too? I'm pretty sure Brad Rose I got to talk to Brad Rose back in the year and he threw it my way he said it was the best tape he'd heard and then I played it for a friend who fucking loves Godspeed and I think we were both on her knocked on her asses

how you gonna go big on big that's what this tape gives the vibes of I love that so you got this from Brad Rose Foxy Digitalis correct? big on big that's what this tape gives the vibes of i love that i love it i don't is this one that so you got this from brad rose foxy digitalis correct he he just recommended it threw it my way we recommended it band camp very nice i knew immediately yeah this one's a very who put it out um i think it's muhammad alem just like they did it self-release over here we got a antifrost antifrost is our label it says jamie greek they are a greece label and i think muhammad runs it oh very cool jamie where

did it fall on the list because that's all that's i mean they say you shouldn't they say you shouldn't like assign like a number ranking to like art? Yes, you should. It's between one and five stars. If you shouldn't know, then why was I able to do it 200 times? What'd you say? It's number 40, so it's in the top 20%. Very nice. Very nice.

Okay, well, let's go in the fire tools and that. Jamie, you got anything? I got this bitch in my eyes. You don't have to. No, don't play that, you dummy. I got a whole, that's going to be next. What? Yeah, I know. Spo in my eyes. You don't have to. No, don't play that, you dummy. I got a hole. That's going to be next. What?

Yeah, I know. Spoiler alert now. I'm sorry. Thank you. I'm not a monster. Thank you. I'm sorry. The Brain or one's experience of the brain, and one's experience of anything else is an appearance in consciousness. In fact, nobody does ever, or has ever, or indeed could ever, experience anything outside consciousness. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. fire tools eternal home on hasu mountain and i'm not number one by the way in case we all in case we've forgotten and i wasn't messing around when i'm talking about the a bucket head is 24 20 a back there's a backpack limited edition of 42.0 so I see what they're doing here. There's a theme. There's also a

weed grinder. I want one of the weed grinders. And then what was the... I just sent you some money so go for it. I will. We got Mohammed and a lamb with Le Age de l'Absolutisme. Which was almost a late bloomer for that one.

I was. I was. It's a really good one. But he came around. He got on board. So what are we doing now? Because we're waiting for some other folks to join us, right? Yep.

Are we talking about... Should we even... Should we mention what else was on the list? We got that Bitchin' Baja's tape. The Switched the switched on sunra which is like that's such a good idea we've made it oh it's a great idea has everyone heard it yes it's excellent it's excellent i'm looking for my copy the track list is like everything that i thought like everything that i'd hope like every sunrod track that i was like oh i hope oh, I really hope they do that. They did all of them.

Personally, I saw this as kind of a retribution. You guys know Barack Obama's top songs list? Yeah. By heart. Wait, what year? What year? 2019, he had a chance to put a Sun Watchers Sun Ra cover on there, but he didn't. What do you mean he had a chance? What does that mean? He had a chance. He had a chance. He had one watchers sun rock cover on there but he didn't what do you mean he had a

chance what does that he had a chance he had a chance he had one chance like it was like uh what sun watchers are doing that's the most important thing in american music but he didn't it was like a lame duck con it was a lame duck congress and he could have just passed it while they're on recess what do you i don't understand what you mean he had he had a chance to what does that mean he just he could have put it on he just could have put it on he could have said it's not that complicated he had a chance but he didn't he was given a golden opportunity and he didn't do it and so some you know we got bitching bajas over here and they're like okay here you go brock obama here's a chance for 2021 so we're really holding through

I see a Tim Tim Thornton should I let him in I almost want to say no I almost want to say no at least just make them wait who is bitching Baja's it's what Cooper Baja Rob Baja who else who's the third baja it's three

of them i thought it was weird i gotta say i thought it was weird at first because like sunrise already kind of switched on so you don't think so no i mean he maybe i mean you know he plays electric instruments sometimes but There's still a lot of acoustic stuff. Yeah, you got to switch on that organ. Yeah. I'm going to switch that thing on. Sometimes he plays it off. That was on Drag City.

Let Tim in, because I have a question for Tim. Tim Thorne from Sweet Throat. It says Tiger Village. It's funny. Tim. Tim, what's. It's funny. Tim. Tim, what's going on? Oops, Tim. Yeah, you got to fix that typo

before you come in here. I'm sorry. Jamie, will you kick him out real quick? This is a typo-free Zoom. Tim, you want to fix that typo and rejoin us? Jesus Christ. This is stupid.

He's getting his long-ass soundboard. There's some really good Timberleases this year, though. Can we mix today? Don't butter his bread. Oh, no, I'm sorry. On his label, Sweet 309. Not even that. We need to talk about Sophia and Headache here.

Don't even give him... Is he still here? Yeah. Why can't we hear him? Hello? Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you now we got you now i figured like you you really seem like an audio like a fishing auto right now with all of this like equipment around you and then we just couldn't even hear you what's going on with you all show is that that what it is? I installed Zoom today.

I've never used Zoom before. That's a lie. Through this whole pandemic. Oh, he's one of these anti-maskers. Like, I'm not changing anything that I do. Is that what TweetDrew? Well, that was uninstalled. I don't know.

Was it on Zoom last year? He's lying already. You use Web Zoom where it goes between one person every single time their desktop's in Tim I'm gonna let you in on a little secret when you come on like a podcast don't start off with complete bullshit like try to be a little honest

especially when you're fucking around with like an end of the year episode and we already started talking about the top 200 list so we're already not fucking around we already bit into the donut and the jelly's spilling out don't lie to us jelly donuts are disgusting tim you had a good year this year with sweet 309 i told everyone else not to tell you that but okay because we didn't want to go into your head okay thanks well what did you put out this year tell us a little bit about the label uh we did four releases uh at the beginning of the year i did uh it was uh the tiger village

in stereo three which is just the the dirty tracks the straight to tape stuff what happened and then i did the uh sofia hj, all that. Silicon Soul it was called. A great one. There's a lot of big beats on this. Big, big, oh. Big beats. I don't want to hear anything. Tim, I want to know

if, so you put out four tapes this year. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. They're all on the list. They're all on the list. They're all on the list. You want to see the list, Tim? Don't show him the list. Do not show him the list. Do not show him the list. He's not privy. But I want you to tell me in order

how you think they appear. How they appear. How they appear. And tell me a little bit about each one when you mention it. I would say that lowest on the list would be Titanic 2. You're correct. Let me let you in on a little secret. It's low as

shit. It's so low. I won't tell you what number it is. It's pretty fucking low. But it's at a number... It's at a number that you see and you say, well, they just did this as a joke. It's so low. Okay. But it's on the

list and what is that what is titanic 2 titanic 2 is uh it's a collage of tape loops made of of songs from uh movies around y2k give or take a few years mother of god it's all toilet sounds okay um and what is with you doing? You're always doing these, like, it's like you're a bad boy, but you're afraid to, like, really go full bad boy. You're always doing shit that's, like, a little bit nasty, a little bit naughty.

Right. It's all copyrighted stuff, but it's also... Are you, like, is this one... What does it matter? Is this one of those things where you're trying to get attention by doing something extreme, but you're just, like, not, is this one, is this one of those things where you're trying to get attention by doing something extreme, but you're,

you're just like not extreme enough to really do a big one. Silence. No, it's, it's, it's just what I like doing. Let me go. I would say that the next one on the list would be my tape because you're not going to give me a big head and put me way up at the top.

Am I right? What number do you think? Where do you think? What number do you think the tiger? I want you to tell me what number you think the tiger village tape is. This is out of 200. Yeah. 200.

It just takes one second. Price is right. 112. 112? Wow, you're damn fucking close, man. You're damn close. We won't tell you what it is, but we will play it. We will play it.

Okay. What tapes have come out this year highlights for you highlights i grabbed a couple i know two years ago you brought up that um what was the tape it was uh ah now i can't remember what it was just goof world from last yes yes that actually whipped. I want to check that out. That was two years ago, right? Last year. Was it last year? So you did a good job last year. What are you bringing us this year? Okay, I've got the new

Rubella tape, which is called Barn Burners. I put out a Rubella tape in 2016 and this is their new one. I really like that. It's like dark and gothy, but with like little toy piano bells and stuff on it. It's real nice. I like this one, Day Sherman.

Yo, yo, I got that on my rack over here. That fuck. I played this ever and this shit fucks. Give me a pronunciation on the name of the label. Oh, please. Oh my God, I cannot do that. Najee, Najee Tapes? That's a better guess than me.

Najee, Najee Tapes. Do you know this label, Mike? Spell it. N-Y-E-G-E. Do you know this label, Mike? Spell it. N-Y-E-G-E. That word twice. And the word tapes. Yeah, I know who that is. Absolutely.

Yeah, we've played stuff on that label before. And you were holding one more there. What is that one? This is the one I want to play just because it's the third one's a charm. What is it? It's the DITA tape on orange milk. I want to talk about this weird-ass tape. This is a tape for babies.

I love this tape. This is a tape for little babies. Jamie, you have a young child. Have you... Tell her to shut up. She's actually almost... She's probably too old for that tape, to be honest with you. I know, but you... Tell her to shut up. She's actually almost... She's probably too old for that take, to be honest with you. I know, but you...

Okay, so have you wiped your fucking brain clean of, like, two years ago? That's the kind of shit babies listen to. Yeah, like little babies. Who is this? Because is it a baby making it? I don't know. Is Keith coming? Or Seth?

Or even Max? No, you have to. You were actually filling in for all. You got a lot of weight to carry, Tim, because you're doing all three of those people tonight. It's you. I would say that it is a baby. That it's the boss baby.

That's actually huge if it's boss baby. I was thinking it's just an average baby. No, I think it it's boss baby i was thinking it's just a you're an average baby no i think it's the boss baby but from i'm serious from like the artwork from the artwork looks like it's for little babies it looks like a cartoon like um true in the magic kingdom or something or Or like Peppa Pig or something. And then it sounds like Little Baby. It does sound a little bit like a little lizard. I like it, though.

This was another one for me that I listened to it first and I said, no, this is for babies. And I listened to it again and I was like, well, I'm not a baby. And I listened to it again. So maybe it's pretty good. Oh, it is good. I'm not a baby. And I listened to it again. So maybe it's, it's pretty good.

No, it is good. And then I, I have a wild card. Um, I haven't even listened to this one yet. What is this one? Good.

Am I in for something? That's a good one. That's the bastion boy tape. Yeah. Mike Nigro from oxtail records. We'll be joining us later. I'm really excited about that. Yeah. Yeah.

This, it, his stuff always looks great, and then it's got the Oxtail thing that always looks nice and clean. I'm excited for that one. Big time. That's a good one. Big time. Jesse DeRosa plays on a track on that. We're going into Oxtail recordings.

DeRosa's on this Passion Voice tape? Yeah. Oh, read me some more credits. Who else is on it? Any other greats? Nope. on this special voice tape? Yeah. Oh, read me some more credits. Who else is on it? Any other greats? Uh, nope. Kevin Hine mastered it, but I mean, who the fuck is Kevin Hine?

Never heard of him. And also... Heir of Hines Ketchup. The Hines Ketchup fortune. Big fucking whoop. Mastering cassette tapes. Listened to it like eight times and said, done.

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This is a fucking party now. Look at this. Who's we got here? Riley Walker Walker Rachel Evans how's everyone doing we're good how about you guys still doing this thing we're still well Dave's doing this one last episode and then he's leaving

um can you hear me yeah yeah Riley's here too i'm glad that i'm glad we sat with just tim for all that time and then everyone else came great timing who are we gonna that was awful timing on my part yeah riley you wanna go back in the waiting room for a little bit man i'm gonna go in there i'm gonna go in there hey we're just hey listen we haven't seen rachel grant a long time i just want to kind of catch up. Do you mind? I don't really know you too well. Do you mind? Yeah, you mind just...

Jamie, toss his ass in the waiting room real quick. I can't do that. You can toss real quick. It'll be five minutes. Well, everybody's in here. Yeah. We can go into a breakout room and talk about luggage on CDs out. Oh, nice.

I got that at their show. It was great. Yeah, they're a great band bunch of wow they're they're doing uh rock revival i love bastra yeah yeah big big influence on the old bastards riley you just got off a tour with dinosaur jr didn't you yeah yeah they're a 90s legacy indie rock band jesus christ i can't imagine what fucking like war stories those old salty pros had for you like paint a picture for us like jay mascus like saddles up to you and like puts his purple cap on your head what's he tell you does he tell you

like it tells me nothing and then we look at each other for five seconds while eating like some weird gluten-free brownie thing backstage. Like no conversation. No, he doesn't tell you about like the secret string on a guitar that you don't know about. No, nothing. No, nothing that everybody already doesn't know. He didn't take me to some indie rock mansion on the hill and seduce me with any stories. There's nothing of the sort.

OK, that's fine. I didn't think there was going to be anything there anyway. and seduce me with any stories. There's nothing of the sort. Okay. That's fine. I didn't think there was going to be anything there anyway. Yeah, so that part totally tanked. Yeah. I wanted to ask you here because I got this tape in the mail, this Steve Gunn and Riley Walker tape, which I thought was weird because, like,

it's on your label Husky Pants, which is that you don't normally do tapes. What is this all? Are you trying to get't normally do tapes. What is this all? Are you trying to get some kind of cred? What is this all about? Yeah, it's all an indie cred thing, bringing it back 08 style. Yeah, because we're 08 revivalists, just doing tapes with no advertising. advertising um but steve's on a big wig label and um and i just wanted to record something and we could put it out at the drop of a hat or whatever so just kind of like an unadvertised thing for the heads and it's just like practice room drones and stuff i don't know and it's fun

to make tapes it is fun to make tapes we were we were just talking about, did you hear the Bitchin' Baja's tape, the Switched On Raw tape? Yeah, I heard it and I got it. It's really wonderful. How come you haven't done, we were trying to think of like, maybe you could do, because you've done a record on Drag City before, right?

Yeah. Why aren't we pitching, should we pitch to them? A Riley Walker, like what are we doing? A switched on... Switched on Nace. Switched on Nace would be pretty big.

Switched on Bill Nace. Yeah. We could call up, Drex. Switched on Nace. I think I already did that, like, in every live noise set I ever did. Switched on Nace. And then people were like, you're ripping off Bill Nace. And I'm like, oh, that hurts, actually.

Well, speaking of 2008, Grant and Rachel Evans, you might remember a little label called Hooker Vision. And then you guys, all of a sudden, you just left. You just went away. You just got tired with tapes and you were just done. Is that the deal? No, man. Explain yourselves. you just went away you just got tired with tapes and you were just done is that the deal no man we um explain yourselves we uh you know we did a couple other labels in the middle yeah what were you doing in the middle anywhere um but we changed names for a bit yeah so what is the deal with bringing hooker vision back? Did we mention that Hooker Vision's coming back?

I don't think you did. That's a pretty big deal. I like that. I was always... I don't know. I mean, Grant, you can chime in too, but I don't know. We went through some different music phases with our own music, and we started coming back around to pulling out all of our old art. And I don't know

you just thought it was time a few months ago you just thought it was time to bring it back so what yeah there's no real clear plan it's just it is what it is that's interesting that's interesting that you would have this label and then you would stop doing it and then like a decade later you would start it again and not have a plan you did in that whole time you didn't come up with anything do you do you have any tapes planned for for early next year or anything we just put out i know you're uh probably not going to want to hear about it, but the dreaded C word that's not cassette. CDs! Oh, it's one of these guys. Yeah, we love them.

Yeah, we're doing a lot of discs. So wait a minute, hold on, hold on. I think I've just been scammed. Hold on, oh my god i feel so stupid this is like a pyramid scheme i feel so stupid i just assume right that's how they work yes you got us on your tape show to promote our cds all right is that is that really what's happening right now actually i feel really weird because riley you're definitely a cd and vinyl guy and then you and then so hooker Vision's coming back and you're not doing tapes?

We did tapes. I guess another reason why we did it when we did is because we were pulling a bunch of stuff out. We were doing some house cleaning in addition to going through all of our old Hooker Vision art that we found. We also just found

sort of a stash of, you know, blank tapes and labels. And we had a, you'll notice that the first hook revision release that's come back out is in a variety of different case styles. And that's just because we're just using what we've got. Okay. A few other things that are, we got a little more stock of like blank empty cases that are random and um i'm still i'm still confused does anyone does anyone know if they're doing tapes or not i see on bandcamp that they did no it's all about new ones when the label comes back

is it just going to be cds or cdrs no we got some we got a few more tapes planned i mean what will they be i'm not sure that's that's what jay mask has taught me he said selling cds will make you an indie rock millionaire oh i knew there was something i knew you were holding the fuck out on us i knew you were holding out piece of shit you know selling CDs will make you like an indie rock millionaire and then all this will be yours so that's that's what i'm focused on right now is compact is is that what he sounds like wow yeah his singing voice is so different yeah you don't have this you don't have his phone number do you I have his email oh killer

could you email him as a prank email him real quick and see if he responds before you leave yeah for sure I'll get him on the show oh man okay well listen I want to play we're going to play this Steve Gunn,

Briley Walker tape, which is, is it just like, is it not out yet? Or is it just no kind of internet presence type of thing? No kind of internet presence. I just mailed it to friends and we'll have it at merch tables for gigs and stuff like that. See, we're 08 revivalists and 1999 revivalists with CDs and tapes that don't sell any copies.

Did you hear I called me a friend? He only said it to friends. Here, I got an 08 revivalist right here for you, Riley. Grant and Rachel, have you kept up with the current noise scene? I mean, I know, Grant, you were doing adversary, but I think, I feel like that was mainly like that was mainly your solo stuff, right. That you put out, have you kept up with like other stuff that's been coming out?

This has been a pretty, I don't know. I haven't really paid attention to a lot of what's, what's current right now. You know, I've kept up with Frank Vaugh. I've kept up with his Nice Fat Body Project. That tape was good. The new Remnants tape on Throne Heat.

I liked that one too. I don't know. The big monorail retrospective. That came out this year, right? I liked that one too. Yeah. I don't know. The big monorail retrospective. That came out this year, right? The three tape. Oh, the pedestrian deposit. Yeah.

But it sounds like these are mostly like old heads, huh? Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. As far as keeping up with new stuff. Oh, I don't know. I actually don't know. I actually don't know.

I'm not following. I don't know. You got to ask Mad't know i actually don't know i'm not i don't know i don't you gotta ask maddie yeah you guys maddie i'm sorry okay well let's play is there a gen z artist who's gonna cut their thumb off on and record it on tape that's actually not a bad idea yeah they need to revive the cutting your thumb off and recording it that's my holy grail tape is the i heard about it. It was like, this dude cut his fucking thumb off. Are we talking about Twilight Memories? I thought I got it. I thought I got it, but it was the wrong Twilight Memories tape. Another finger. They cut off a toe.

Gen Z's got to revive it. They got to cut off their thumb. That's what's coming back is cutting off body parts. Tim's dumbass bought a bootleg where they cut off their toenails that's all it was yeah super lame okay well let's well like that's like interesting because you can only do so many of those right what toenails they grow back no no no just body parts unless you're just like really prolific and you just like do like your left arm like deli sliced thin okay that's you do like one a month actually actually i'd like to i think we should i think this could be pitched to grant and rachel for hooker vision a tape of somebody just meat slicing like maybe like the back of their leg off the back

of their leg like like calf yeah like the whole calf just real things but it's gotta be a gen z it's gotta be one of these gen z kids well let's let's play let's play some an older one off a hooker vision since i got catfished and they're not actually like putting out tapes i don't think um what what should i rachel grant what should i grab from the stacks i got i got most of them since I got catfished and they're not actually putting out tapes, I don't think. Rachel, Grant, what should I grab from the stacks? I got most of them. Should I grab maybe a sparkling white pressure since we brought up Frank? That's a good one.

That's a good one. Let's do that then. All his stuff's so good. Hell yeah. Well, let's get into some of these. And Riley, Grant, Rachel, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone have a safe new year.

Jamie, I love you. You got, I know, I know you, he called me friend earlier. So I know like we kind of have something special going. Bye. See you guys. The The The The The The The The The The

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Old Donkey Lips. Because I'm pretty good at this stuff. Should we have Mike Nigro come in, or should we have Headboggle come in? I've been texting Headboggle, but I don't see him in a lot of the time. I think you should bring them both in, and they should fight.

Yeah, bring in Dale McNigro. I'll message Nigro. Oh, what else was good this year you know only tell one of them it's a fight tell yeah that's a little treat for me tell one it's a fight and tell the other one there's a surprise

what else was good this year that hair brushing tape hair brushing on obsolete staircase I don't remember that one that one's fucking good I forget who does that label but whoever does the label this is their project the artwork's always on point let me see if it rings a bell

oh there's so many weird sounds on here he definitely rings a bell yeah Dave absolutely he rings a bell this is pretty did you hear it? look at that spine that's beautiful the whole thing's beautiful that's on the list too if everyone looks under their chairs look if you're driving in your car just really quick jerk your neck down and look there's a booger stuck to the inside of this jay

car yeah uh yeah that's that's how i keep that part of it i keep my download codes in that way is it really a booger i'm pretty sure there's a booger i've eaten that many? Is it really a booger? I'm pretty sure there's a booger. I've eaten at many No, that's not a booger. No, that's too hard to be a booger. Alright, here we go. Five, four, three, two, one. Joining Introducing

Head Boggle. Oh, cool glasses. Oh, he went away. As quickly as he came, he went away. Oh, this is scary. You're not driving right now, are you? Hey, how's it going? Are you being kidnapped?

Yeah, that was the first thing I wanted to ask. Are you being kidnapped right now? I've been working on this for two years. This is my background. Is there a piano in that car? Amy said he had some piano stuff he was going to... Oh, wait, do you want to perform for us live right now? Is there a piano in that car? Oh, wait, do you want to perform for us live right now? I don't have a... I've got some piano parts.

Yeah, I got some old piano parts out in the car. Oh, there it goes. Oh, I'll enjoy this. Go keep playing. Actually, do we keep like give us some background music we'll talk about tapes so who has heard this head boggle tape that i have here called digital digital analog me it was released on rat skin records they're doing some great stuff. Excellent stuff. I have another tape that came with

This is beautiful. It's a gorgeously designed tape. Who designed the cover of your new tape? That's a tiny little hammer. I knew it was tiny little hammers. I like the inside because it's like an ACDC touring poster or something. Yeah, it is. It's very nice.

That's awesome. Derek, it's a killer tape is this like what what have you done this year what have you been putting out musically what what have you been where have you been like eating what is what is just life in general been like what's been going on for you i've been working full time pretty much play the piano while you tell us please there was a couple this should be said there was a couple months that i had off with everyone at the beginning and then just full-time full-time working and what kind of music if you move what have you released besides this the digital digital analog tape uh there's a tape on rubber City. Would you please play the piano while you tell us? I don't know how many times I need to say this. MPC jams.

And I'm working on an all piano thing next. Oh, what is that going to be? Is that going to be a tape or are you doing a... That'll be a tape, yeah. Who's putting that out? Bimodal Press. Have you done a tape of just piano playing before no effects because typically yeah you are a synthesizer player this seems is this intimidating to you to be playing? Piano is kind of my instrument, but I don't have access to it really.

Why? Is it because the lid's down? That just lifts up and the keys are underneath. Well, that and, yeah, I don't have, you know, I mean, it's rare that. I was working in a church before the the pandemic and i was stealing away and using their piano a little bit i was trying to do some you know stealth recordings and uh i got about like 30 seconds in in one of these i don't know any of the church it's um it's not episcopal yeah it's episcopal one of the like get that right because that's

actually i need that detail in the back so i was like jamming trying to get some stealth recordings in that's always the way it is with piano you know digital rig that has piano sounds really what were you doing at the church what was your your job there? Sound. I do a lot of AV, so sound music. Okay. And right now at the museum, at the Montmorency Museum. That's very... And you were able... And you're just...

The tape that you're talking about, the piano tape, is that recordings that you made at the church? No, that is recordings that I made here at the SF MoMA on the steinway there we go play something scary yeah play something scary because this i want to be scared i'm chill. Like the Carpenters. Okay, that's a little too scary. Too scary.

Yeah, actually, stop. Stop. Stop. Can you play the same thing? Play the same thing, but on the other side of the piano? This is how... That was just experimental stuff. Oh, well...

What have you guys been talking about? Are you talking about the best tapes of the year about are you talking about the best tapes of the year we were talking about the best tapes of the year i got yeah the digital digital analog tape i i gotta say it really got me it really got me in a like uh like i felt like i was listening to a john carpenter soundtrack well he was you know they kicked him out of the carpenters and yeah they did that whole split yeah who were the who were that's when he started making all the scary stuff he got so mad he got so almost like getting kicked. He made the movies because he was so mad. I think that was Karen that made the movies.

Oh, you're right. Karen Carpenter made the movies. You should be playing piano, Derek. Christmas diddy. You should be playing piano while we're talking, Leo. I got a Michael Nygaard in the lobby too. Get Mike in here. Play some intro music for mike nigro

where is he mike nigro mike nigro play him in mike hey guys What's going on? Mike, it's bright there. What time is it there? Oh, it's 1 p.m. on Sunday. He's in the future over there in Austria. Let me ask you this, because we're talking about the top 200 tapes of the best tapes of 2021. Do you know about, is it 2022 where you are already yeah yeah no i'm i'm getting my 2022 list ready what's happening is it crazy okay 2022 crazy yeah what well what stuff's coming out oh um we got i don't know man

mike i i see you put out a lot of stuff on oxtail this year like what like eight tapes ten tapes um i noticed you sent them you didn't send any to me throughout the year and then you sent them all in one big chunk right at the end of the year when you know goddamn well it's list season and i and i got i'm making a play for this shit no i got no fuck him and i gotta say when i saw the package i said that i said that son of a bitch i said i know what he's doing i know what he's angling for and the thing is it worked it worked because now the tapes are fresh in my ears what have you put out this year you put out uh what would you say is the your favorite one on oxtail this year come on my it's hard to pick

you know and i also play something scary you know i'm all about marketing these days i'm all about imaging and you know i gotta maintain quality relationships with my artists as well as you know the press such as yourself um so it's really not it's not good pr to pick favorites okay so what i don't know man i think if you pick a favorite right now it'll be like a headline and at least like yeah i'll give you two things uh the bastion void tape was a fucking great project to work on yeah we were just talking about the bastion void tape it's a good one um yeah and and a lot of the stuff we were doing with like we did like the virtual reality launch event with matt gan what does that mean what does that mean uh we had like a little vr like fucking zuck style metaverse um thing that we popped up that

was all designed like the album and like played back videos and stuff in it yeah it was very fun like instead of a launch gig a release gig right it was like virtual it's 2021 yeah you were embracing i guess embracing it's the future for us but i guess the present for him because he's so far ahead of us you also but you put out what else did you put out you put out a comp that i was forced to order it's gonna be the other thing i was gonna say yeah what is this is a comp of all australian uh experimental musicians correct that was just experimental stuff called undercurrents yep this is who's on it oh we've got um gentle force is the first track i believe um i was hoping over scan who's someone who's been in the kind of tape game for a while. Lawrence English, who's an Australian of note.

Alex Spence, Megan Clune. Yeah, a lot of folks that I've gotten to know down here and wanted to try and put something together with them. You know Headboggle? I'm a fan. I don't know him personally. I know he's here. Headboggle, you familiar with Oxtail recordings? You familiar with Oxtail recordings?

I am. How about 2022? What about you guys working together? Let's make this happen. Let's make it. Let's connect. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. I'll pay for the Noroco cases. I'll pay for the Noroco cases. I'll pay for the Noroco cases if we make the match right now. We got $500.

I already have $500 that I got from Hasu Mountain earlier. You guys taking donations? You doing a fundraiser? For tax purposes, I can't say exactly what I'm doing. But just know... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What tapes came out this year that you didn't... that you weren't associated with that you liked? That you were like... that you went like, whoa. Whoa. It's been a weird year, man. It's been hard to keep track

of things. It has been, hasn't it? Too many Bandcamp Fridays. Yeah. My phone dies by like 9 o'clock because it's just buzzing Bandcamp notifications. I can't figure out how to turn them off. Dave, that's a big thing for you.

You want to end Bandcamp Friday? Yeah. Yeah, I want it over with. This is the last one. I'm serious. We can can only be only because you can't figure out how to turn off the notifications yeah it's bullshit just go to end oral's twitter page he's got a thing how to make a google folder for him i don't even know what a google folder is oh shit i use manila folders bud like you're gonna show us australia yeah oh yeah take us

around i'm just trying to like look at some tapes now that I've got this year yeah walk over to your tapes and let us know what you got cause um I'm not gonna like uh really go too hard on it but like Mike as it goes gonna pop out I feel like you talk shit on me like not buying tapes or something

like that that's right and then so I bought one from you to prove a point well mike's got somebody's state side now i would dispute that i only talked shit after you bought one and it was it was noticeable to me it really stuck out huh well i want to see no no if you want to like let's see if you're what did you buy the undercurrents comp yeah thank you no problem um i want to see now what did you buy you're so i don't do anything and you're such a big deal what did you buy this year yeah these are good these are um from an australian label

uh moontown uh run by a guy danny who does a project called low flung um are you saying low flung or loaf lung run by a guy, Danny, who does a project called Low Flung. Are you saying Low Flung or Low Flung? You and I are going to talk later. We'll start Low Flung. In the shapes of the camera. Yeah, this one, SVD. And this one, E-Fishpool.

Are you saying E-Fishpool or Eatfishpool? What are you saying? E-Fishpool. You know what it is? He's been in Australia so long. It's his accent. I can't understand him anymore. You don't know what E-Fishpool is? No, what is it? It's like a new you know,

online marketing conglomerate. You fishbowl. There's another one. I can't find it right now. Oh, wow. So far, you showed us two tapes. You bought so much this year, Mike.

Wow, you really supported everyone. I'm a lousy piece of shit, but you're a hero. Real cool. Listen, I bought at least two. And as far as I know, but you're a hero. Real cool. Listen, I've bought at least two, and as far as I know, you've only bought one. Okay. What's going on? I got the package from you.

It comes from Philadelphia. Are you saying you're not sure and you're lying? Are you in the witness protection program? What's going on? Yeah, I've got a buddy in Philly who's doing the US shipping because it saves a lot of money

for the people who buy tapes and for me. So you've got a beer proxy. You've got to call those customs forums. It's hard to say that I have distribution. I just have a friend you can call distribution doing the u.s orders yeah well you said you weren't great i mean i think like shipping cost has gone way way down uh and that means that more people can have the tapes it's awesome this is you kind of found this is like a life hack for cassette labels. That's right. Well, do you think now that this is like,

those that were started in one country and then moved across the world. So this is a very specific thing. If you start a cassette label, kind of like in the I-95 corridor, the mid Atlantic kind of region, and then you move to Australia, this is kind of like a system, a buddy system you can use where someone in Philadelphia

will mail them to me in Delaware. And how much did you end up... How much did you... How much did you save here? You saved... After doing all that, you saved approximately... Oh, okay. That's not bad. Mike, you gotta

take into effect, though, that media mail prices went up this year 30 cents i don't get into those kind of deep um like you said you weren't gonna pick one of your your favorite tape on your label um but i kind of used like my mental agility and i made you pick bastion void so we'll play that um derek we're you know if we had to play something off of i'll let i'll let you pick do you want me to play the headboggle tape from where it's at right now or do you want me to like rewind it a little bit just to yeah shuffle it up throw it on all right on. Well, I think, are we about ready to wrap things up?

Did we cover, are there any bases we need to cover? Third base. Oh my God. Can you believe you're talking about? I forgot about third base. Are you kidding me? I never, never. You know what happens on third base, right guys?

Well, I think we're ready. Let's play these. All right, 2021 wrap up everyone derek do you want to play us out see everyone in the new year Thank you. Thank you. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it.

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