Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Episode #191 | 8.12.23

Episode Date: August 12, 2023

Id M Theft Able, Ivan Cunningham’s Freedom Pie, Lorenz/Reis, Averse Reaction, Angels, Traysh, Lucas Abela, Rully Shabara, Ramberto Agozalie, Smokedog, WUUUN, and a visit from Michael Potter

We got a shipment one time and everybody who walked back here talked about how bad this area smelled. And it was just good tape. It came in, and it had a powerful odor to it, and the whole room smelled like good tape. Tabs Out Cassette Podcast Podcast episode number 191. The place where it doesn't smell like good tape in here. Does it smell real bad? That's what I tell people when they come to my house and they kind of make a face and I go, that's just the good tape. Yeah.

Have you guys watched the Cassette documentary? I think it's just called Cassette documentary. What? The one that Sean made? No, no. That's years ago years ago but who is this sitting here cassette a documentary mixtape or something like that no it came out like in 2016 the whole place smells like the whole place reeked it smelled so bad but that was just good tape that's just what good tape smells like.

Tabs Out Cassette Podcast 191. I'm Mike. I'm Jamie. I'm Sean. Sean's here. We have a, Joe B is on strike, and we have a scab that came in to fill in. Sean, you're no stranger to the Tabs Out world. No. How long ago was it?

No, keep that going, because it gives me kind of... How long ago was it that you made a little documentary yourself? I think, Jamie, you were trying to throw me a curveball there, get me kind of off my... I was on a message. I was going to talk about this other thing. You mentioned that. What, maybe like six, seven years ago? Oh, 2015-ishh you made what uh i made a documentary about um

some of the cassette culture in central java at the time in 2014 when i first moved to indonesia there was a lot of cassette trading going on and even like old cassettes not even thank you that's enough so you made this documentary for tabs out i believe used to maybe write some reviews for tabs out i did i maybe you did yes you're in a strict so when when we heard joe b was on strike we bought you one plane ticket we said get the hell back get over here fill in for him so you're here helping out and we appreciate it you brought a stack of mostly tapes. I see trash.

I guess you don't have your recyclings full at home? Yeah, I just want to pass it on to you. This is garbage. You brought literal garbage here. That's cool. That's fine. He got around with the tariffs and everything. It's crazy.

Yeah, I don't know how you... Did you have to pay that on that? How does that work? Well, you know, prison pocket. Should we let him start off? crazy yeah i don't know how you how did you have to pay that on that how does that work uh well you know prison pocket did you want should we let him start off should we jump right in uh or did you want to like talk about your flight uh no can i ask you a question sure yeah boy are your arms tired they are we are your sean boy are your jamie boy are his arms i don't get it what's that and boy are my jamie please boy are his arms tired. It was a long flight and boy are my arms tired. Jamie, please.

Boy are his arms tired from carrying these tapes over. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's an expression. He brought these tapes over. Did you want to start off episode number 191 of Tabs Out with one of these tapes that you brought? Yeah, you know what? How about we... You fucking scab.

Since I'm the guest here, how about I choose me well it actually is or jamie no no it's your it's your podcast jamie oh you know what mike just a quick side note i asked chat gpt this morning who runs tabs out and it said mike haley did it got it morning. Yeah. Even the AI is on my side. Typically, I don't like the AI, but if it's going to be stroking me like this, maybe I can come around. You know, why don't you get that pile of trash on the bottom? Sure. And let's...

What is that? Okay, this is... It's dirty. It is stinky. That's what they mean by the smelly tape. I want to say this is probably a friend of the pod, Idom Theftable, up in Maine. Okay, let's explore that. A friend

of the pod. Yeah, I imagine he's been played on here quite a bit. He's been played a few times. And he's played here in Delaware at least once years ago, I would imagine. That sounds about right. And he played here once in the in

the recent years when you were in indonesia okay so at least two times that i could imagine i think he played once maybe even before final fridays was a thing or in the early stages i don't know i don't know i don't know jamie could be checking if we ever played him on the show one episodes we could be checking this james not doing that i do know that there is and maybe you can help me out with this there's some sort of tape where's he from maine yeah portland maine portland maine and there's some sort of rest stop in maine yeah it's the kittery rest stop right when you cross from new hampshire into maine there's a rest stop there and um he has hidden some cassette tapes in the snack room.

What a prank. Underneath the vending machines, on top of the vending machines. And he refreshes them periodically and he says, take one, don't be a dick. And I hear like, yeah, there's a picture of the vending machine on the cover of the tape. And you go there and you find it and you get to keep it for yourself. Yeah, yeah. It's a fun scavenger hunt. It really is, yeah. And he should become friends with the employees of the

vending company and get one inside the sucker that would be awesome yeah get one inside the vending machine okay but this is not i and also i'm not going to maine anytime soon but can someone please send me the tape please right right i've asked on the internet several times so far no one is i won't get into it i'll be in maine in the beginning of september i'm not even kidding yeah i'm gonna try to get it and you'll give me a copy I'll try to I'll take two

I think I'm gonna ask I'm gonna beg for forgiveness from Scott three is his name uh huh please forgive me but I'm gonna get a tape

one for me one for Michael lord forgive Jamie but he will be he will be taking all that he sees all of them flipping them on discogs

okay yeah so this but this is not that this is another this is this is a well what can i say it's a garbage tape not the music on it but the packaging the packaging is garbage yeah it looks like a lot of indian garbage like newspaper newspaper clippings from old stinky newspaper smells like like i don't know what it smells like old stinky newspaper mildew this is a tissue know what it smells like. Old stinky newspaper. Mildew.

Basement. This is a tissue wrapper. It says, Tissue Muka Istimiwa. So that's Indonesian. That's special face tissue wrapper. So he gave this tape to me 2014. He played the Joja Noise Bombing Festival. And he stayed at my house for a few days.

And he gave this tape to me. And sorry to say, to to him i haven't opened it up yet so mike is opening up for the first time oh wow look at that the the trails i won't blaze in the cassette community wow not even sean can open up this tape and just to let you know what's inside here sean it's a cassette tape oh the I said tape is recycled there's it's an old tape that's been spray-painted over and there's a piece of paper in here that's been cut no that's not scary don't do that don't do that give me something else can mean it's that's still okay it's silly no you don't know what you're doing you're way

off today you're so you got there but you got there too late okay what's the name of this tape i didn't i don't know if i missed it when you said it i i didn't catch catch that you didn't even throw it no i didn't catch it you just throw it on that blue paper you're you're looking at well here let me hand it to you because it's awful i can't really yeah it's the the ink has faded quite a bit yeah you didn't pull it out of this bag my ass you've been give me a break no it's just been sitting in my parents basement okay they probably love that. Oh, yeah. Flying J. I see. Idom Thethable. Flying J versus a cachetard versus Flying J. It looks like it was released 2009, re-released 2012. Oh, my God. And the bag that it's in seems to be adhered to, or is the trash in the bag?

No, the trash is glued to the bag. Okay, okay. So you're not going to get this with like... It's not mass produced. No, this isn't mass produced stuff. How many do you think that he made? How many does Scott make? I mean, for this packaging, probably one out of one.

God, you're so lucky. But the cassette itself... Get it in the National Archives. Get it in the National Archives. That's what I was looking for. All right, so we'll play that trash. Excuse me. And then Jamie.

Oh, you know what? Do you have any treasures? I do, and I... Poor... Should we mention that there's a guest coming up later yeah oh yeah we have the wonderful and great michael potter wonderful and great wonderful i'm really playing this up i'd be careful let's just call him wonderful for now inimitable the uh unmatched unparalleled cannot be exceeded runs a few uh or has run a few labels nol zone garden portal

yeah it's going on tour right trying to trying to yeah there's a lot of dates that still need to get filled there oh no got some up to the wire those holes yeah all right jay what are you going to play you know sean's bringing something ind Indonesian. I'm bringing something... Yeah? American. Thank God. Thank God, because I'm doing my taxes later, and I don't know what this tape is going to do as far as, like, we were saying, all the tariffs and... I got this tape from Ivan Cunningham's Freedom Pie.

That's very American. Out on Bumpy. So Freedom Pie was a group, and then I guess there were some legal troubles. Yeah, that's right, yeah. And Ivan Cunningham's version and somebody else's version split up. Yeah, yes. Okay.

And this is Ivan Cunningham's Freedom Pie. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. You got, like, Mike Love doing Mike Love's Freedom Pie, and then Ivan Cunningham, who's really, he was the better Beach Boy. Well, okay. All right. freedom pie and then ivan cunningham um who's really he was the better beach boy well okay all right this is uh this is on bumpy which is uh what's that a label that's larry wish larry wish and someone else correct i love i love when there is like something like a project or a label or something and it's run by multiple people but only one gets credit yeah i love when only one is

i don't know the other person i thought it was just larry it's always like when only one person gets credit you never mention the other person and the other person i bet you does more yeah bozo yeah well you know um so ivan cunningham minneapolis-based musician it's like when you ask the ai who did tabs out they didn't even know did Tabs Out, did it even know who you were? Did ChatGPT even know who you were? No, of course not. It's Mike, and who's this? Yeah, who's this?

Who's asking? Chamies! This tape is wacky. It's like some ronk, and it's wild. And there's a lyric in this song that I'm going to play, which sounds a whole lot like Tabs Out. What does that mean? But they're not saying Tabs Out.

I figure what they're saying. I think they're saying Tap Out or something like that. Oh, the lyric itself is... No, they're probably saying Tabs Out. But I like to think they're saying Tabs Out. I like that, too. That's fun. And of course, you said it's wacky. Of course it's wacky.

Oh, yeah. All this Larry Wish-related stuff is wacky. It's different. It's... It is different. interesting pattern inside it's a very very nice tape yeah now i have a question for you so you sometimes give me tapes from the mailbag did you pick this one just for me or was it just a random one did you liked it a lot right i did like it a lot just for you i know thank you i really appreciate i give you little kisses and I give you a little sweet taste.

Yeah, some of these I pick out just for you. Yeah. Yeah. Good typography on this. You're doing a hell of a job. I'm already looking at Freedom Pie and thinking that I'm going to like it. Yeah. Very, very, very good.

One eye closed, one leg lifted. Oh, don't... You didn't tell me that was the name of the app. One eye closed. Do they have that position in Indonesia? Um, you know... I haven't gotten to that page yet. You're getting way too personal.

What is this, a pepper on the front? Yeah, I think it's a pepper. Why? I'm confused now because... this gets back to the wackiness because it's called something like a pie and you're thinking sweet and sugary and meringues. Yeah. And it's like, what is that? A cayenne?

All right. Who's Ivan Cunningham? And are there other people in this or is it just... Is that funny? Is Ivan Cunningham's's freedom pie it's just ivan cunningham no there's definitely other people it's a band um it says here minneapolis based um gosh it's i'm having a difficulty finding the credits did you zip did you put like, on a document and then password protected and then, like, zip it?

Yeah. And then email it to, like, a... Oh, lyrics by Ivan Cunningham and Larry Wish. So Larry Wish is involved in this. A little bit involved, yeah. I swear to God, if I find this before you do... I think you have to restructure your research department, right?

I know, I know. I'm just too busy. You're supposed to be like the Discogs guy, though. Man, one eye closed, one leg lifted. I can't get over. It's not even on Discogs yet. Yeah, it is. I'm looking right at it. Really?

What version of Discogs? Do you have like a parent protected thing on there and it won't let you see some of the albums? It's Bumpy number 23. I do see it. Came out in May. I didn't see it before. Shame on me. Oh, it's bumpy number 23 i do see it came out in may i didn't see it before shame on me oh yeah there's some more vocals by nelly anderson on track one because i was gonna say there's two vocalists on that first track so what are we looking at it's like a different

lineup for every track yeah it's not like a band it's like ivan cunningham assembled some of these people it's a lot of work goes into this. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't even know this many people. Yeah. This is a lot of people. Do you want to say any of them, or do you just want to give Ivan Cunningham all the credit? I'll just say the first track.

Charlie Lincoln on bass, Alma Engenbretson and Sofia Deutsch on cello, Tarek Abdelkhodar on drums, Toivo Hannigan on guitar. Very good. And is that the track you're playing? Yeah, it's awesome. It's called No Sleep, No Food, No Water. That sucks. How do you say that in Indonesian?

No sleep, no food, no water. Tida tidar, tida makan, tida ayar. There you go. I want to hear some more Indonesian from Sean. It's garbage compared to some others, I imagine. And then I'll go, right? So you're playing that. You're going to play two.

I'm playing, I think, less than you today. There's something about Joe B not showing up that got your like you got your balls all inflated. You told me you were bringing like six tapes or something like that. Look at Sean's stack there. I know. Both you were bringing like six tapes or something like that and that's sean stack there i know both of you both you guys are like cosmic gumbo yeah what's got you guys so hard right now it's just a lot of music that we want to have the mass i really feel like you're

just ganging up on me though no well i just wanted to bring a variety we don't have to listen to it all just see what you're interested in i'm worried i worried ChatGPT gets a whiff at this, and all of a sudden, it's like, I think, I thought Mike ran taps out. I thought. All right, I'm going to play... You know what? Let's go into...

I'm going to play... Well, what's... You said this one's wacky? Yeah. And I'm assuming this idumthe theftable is just kind of all like... All over the... Yeah. Mouth noises.

All right. Then I'll go into this... I'll go into a straight up harsh guy. Hmm. Lorenz Reese, Horizontal Hold. On a newer... Newish Dayton, Ohio label. Called Bizarro Warrior. on a newer newish dayton ohio label called bizarro warrior this is uh i believe this is matt reese's label he used to run

epicene sound systems epicene sound replica did a project called Teeth Collection. Is he a developer, too? Developer. Yeah. Did a label after Episcene or before Episcene. I wish I could remember what it was called. God, I wish I could remember what it was called, and I can't. But, you know, heavily involved in the Midwest noise scene for decades.

Before my time. Before your time. Oh, oh god jamie please before your time ask you had tbt it will know but uh him and uh john lorenz who was part of wasteland jazz unit is that a guitarist john lorenz yeah you know i don't know if john knows how to play the guitar on this i believe he's blowing on the saxophone okay it says lorenz sax and electronics okay all right i've heard that name before john lorenz well if you listen to wasteland jazz unit i have listened to them he played the saxophone in that but not but maybe he could play the guitar too you're more of a multi you're a I'm a multi instrumentalist. Is that fair to say, Jamie, that you're a multi

you're constantly walking around like a... As a multi instrumentalist, we're trying to order food at a restaurant. He's like, well, as a multi instrumentalist So what instruments do you play? It's full of musical instruments. Well, I play a lot of instruments. If you can play the saxophone. I can't.

I don't play any roots. Just shut up about yourself for a moment. If a musician and Sean, I don't play any roots. Just shut up about yourself for a moment. If a musician... Yeah. And Sean, I don't know your musical talents at all. A little bit here and there, a dabble. So don't weigh in. If a person can play the saxophone, they know where to put their fingers on all the buttons and stuff,

and they can also play the electronics, is it assumed they can play the guitar? Well, you do have some finger dexterity and if you're doing that extended technique you can uh you can pretty much play anything you know so it's assumed if you play the saxophone and you play the electronics yeah you can play the guitar have fun tickling the ivory okay that makes sense so yeah john lorenz is a guitar player he's tickling those eyes or no he's bought his first new six string. And then Matt...

Got it at the five and dime? Yeah. And then Matt Reese is on this, is playing drums. And yeah, Bizarro Warrior, good name for a label. This is their 46th release. But I believe the label just started maybe in the last year or so. That's pretty big then. Yeah. 46 in a year? the last year or so that's pretty big then yeah 46 in a year that is pretty big that is pretty big man it's a big number they'll get there yeah but like um you know matt reese has apparently failed to thrive

still just black and white photocopied harsh noise collage artwork respect respect no no no no no no no no when i say fail to thrive i don't mean it like a pediatrician telling you about your baby i mean it like a 40 year old noise person like like it's like well it's like your yearly checkup you're still making these harsh noise tapes but it's fine you're in the you're in the 90th percentile on discogs and you've been doing it a long time so just keep doing it and you're fine at it you're good you're very good you're very good it's been um we'd like to see you start the we'd like to see you start labeling these tapes but if you don't want to that's fine yeah choice is yours the choice is yours but this is harsh as shit so if you're a little baby don't want to that's fine yeah choice is yours the choice is yours but this is harsh as shit so if you're a little baby don't listen to it um but yeah okay you uh start off the block

with those and then what are we thinking when we get back will michael potter be here no it's still far too early i still we would let him say let him simmer a little bit yeah let him wait is he in the waiting room on zoom right now? I hope so. We told him to log in at about five in the morning, and he's been there ever since. And he keeps texting and saying like, hey, I need to go to work. Can I get out of here?

And we're like, no, this is your big break. And I said, turn your webcam on. I want to see you. I'm not sure if this is the right way to do it, but I'm not sure what I'm doing here. I'm not sure if I can do this. I think I'm really, if I can get the I'm not sure what I can't stop! I can't stop! I can't stop! I can't stop! I can't stop! I can't stop! Go, go, go! I'm sorry. What are you doing? Stop! What are you doing? Stop! What are you doing? Stop! What are you doing? Stop! You're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out What are you doing, stop! You're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, hey! No sleep, no food, no water. No sleep, no food, no water. No sleep, no food, no water. No sleep, no food, no water.

Suck the marrow out those turkey bones, you were in this view. Give it a try It's still got blood in it You'll never die As long as you live in me Let's rock the sky The hole's just big enough Cause I'm that guy And you're wasting my energy I'm a man of my word What you doing? Stop!

What you doing? Stop! What you doing? Stop! What you doing? Stop! What you doing? Stop! What you doing? Stop! You're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out. What are you doing? Stop! What are you doing? Stop! What are you doing? Stop! What are you doing? Stop! What are you doing? Stop! What are you doing? Stop! You're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, you're tapped out, hey! No sleep, no food, no water. No sleep, no food, no water. No sleep, no food, no water. No sleep, no food, no water.

If your friends aren't eating elk hearts, then eat your fucking friends. Give it a try It's still got blood in it You'll never die As long as you live for me Let's rock the sky The hole's just big enough Cause I'm that guy And don't waste your time

Let me die Thank you. I'm not sure. so Oh, my God. I'm sorry. oh oh I'm sorry. Oh, my God. Thank you. No! I'm sorry. so Thank you. I'm sorry. And we're back. That was Inom Theftable, even Cunningham's Freedom Pie, Lorenz Rez. Now, typically we say the names of the tapes and the labels and stuff like that. So you kind of messed up there just a tiny little bit.

It's more like this. Watch. Jamie, give me some fucking background music, brother. That was It'll Theptable. A fish jumping. I can't hear your shit at all, by the way. It'll Theptable. A fish jumping.

Self-release. I think that's what we're going with, what we're calling it. It says that on a sticker on there. It says a fish jumping. Dude releases so much shit. Find out what tape that is. Can you figure out what tape he spray painted over and recorded over? Figure out what that is.

I've been cutting his freedom pie. One eye closed. One leg lifted. Which is how uh jb got his first kid you know and then lorne france freeze horizontal hold on bizarro warrior and the um dayton label that i was trying to think of that matt reese used to run in addition to episcene is uh survey said factotum tapes is what i was trying to think of and i remembered it because i found it on discogs all right i got the the tape it was painted over what is it let's hear it nat king cole really yeah i can't read the rest because of the spring i never would have guessed

you should have gave us all 10 guesses and we could have seen if we would have got it are you sure uh turn your sound clips up jamie they're not loud enough i like i don't like drowning people and we could have seen if we would have got it. Are you sure? Turn your sound clips up, Jamie. They're not loud enough. I don't like drowning people out. I like when you drown me out with those things. Are you sure? Yeah, when you give me like a eww.

I like that with the idem theftable eww. Yeah. All right, Jamie, do you want to go first this time? Yeah, I'll go first. Because I noticed you have so many. Do you want to do two? Wow. Can I do two? I don't think I've ever done two before.

I'm so excited. I got my chat GPT open. I'm trying to train it. Mike's in a generous mood. I am. I am in a generous mood. Sean, get right up on that microphone. All right, right like this.

Yeah, you know what? You got it. All right. Well, I got up on that microphone. All right, right like this. Yeah, you know it. You got it. All right. Well, I got two wildly different tapes. Just could not be more different. The first one I'm going to play is from a friend. And the other one's from an enemy? You're going to get mad at me, but we're going to play a tape by Frank.

Why am I going to get mad? You can play a tape by Frank. Well, not really local anymore. Well, Frank, I bumped in with the last Final Friday show and he handed me this tape. You know, Frank, you know, the local people know him, but nobody else does. So anyway, Frank comes to these shows and he's got a bag attached to his torso with just all kinds of CD-Rs and tapes in and he goes around the room and he hands them out. So this is the one I got at the last show.

I have a ton of these. They're a bitch to put on Discogs because I can never read the handwriting. Is that the Utz logo? It looks like it. Oh, that's what it is, yeah. Yeah. And holding a severed head.

Okay, I like this. You're not going to get in trouble. Every local scene has a Frank. Has a Frank, yeah. Every local scene has the guy who gives you his CD-R and you don't want it. We really love Frank. I put out a tribute album to Frank a couple years ago anyway on that you were on that too i passed yeah i passed

too weird for me um so i'm gonna play this what i thought was a new project a verse reaction because he played a final friday with a verse reaction but this is a recording from 2006 of a verse reaction and it's a classic and it um yeah it Frank on drums, which I can only assume. And it's pretty good. The only thing I'll say is there is no bass in this recording. It sounds like you're listening to it in a shoebox or something. But, you know, it's Frank. So that's what I've come to expect anyway. The first thing I notice...

I'm sorry, Sean, go ahead. Oh, no, I was just going to say, I read the, you know, information there. Somebody is credited as playing bass on this. Okay. So I feel bad. It's like Jason Newsted on Injustice for All. I don't want to be a jerk, but I know you're talking to Jamie and he's your good friend. You've got to talk into the microphone too.

Okay. I have it up too high. I think I'm a little short for this one. Oh. Give me some bass. The first thing I noticed about this, Jamie, well, the first thing I noticed about this uh jamie well the first thing i noticed is the it's potato chip i couldn't put my finger on what that was like sawing the head off of some i don't know what head is being sawed off that's someone will know this i don't read

comics so it's like yeah from a comic book or something um the adverse reaction on side a which you say is from 2006 and it is it says on there 719 2006 i could read that hand which i believe we just passed the anniversary recently 719 06 side b is frank's other project stick boy and that was recorded in 2023 so this is a i keep clipping by the way all right let's turn you down a little bit don't turn me down just make the clipping stop i'll turn the compression up turn me up and make it stop clipping so this is a verse reaction is from 2006 but this is a brand new tape brand new not probably only like five or ten made you know it's on a memory i'll get on Discogs eventually, but if you go to the StickBoy Discogs page,

all the submissions are from me, and they all take a while, because the handwriting's really bad. Sometimes I have to email Frank and say, what does this say? What's this song called? Do you ever email people you don't know and ask them shit like that? No, but I have a guy that does that on my behalf. How does that work? I have a guy that I know in Canada that's on Discogs

and he has no shame. He's a little bit more, he's a little less timid to reach out to people. Are you being serious right now? Yeah, I have had him do some of my dirty work before. You have a third party Discogs creep? Yeah, I'll send him something. I'll say, hey, can you, how do I put this on?

What's this say? And if he doesn't know, I'll say here, here's the email address. Don't tell him I sent you. What are your depths, Jamie? Like, where does it end? So there are things that you'll hold on let me get i need to get grounded i need to be grounded for a moment there are things that even for you you won't do on discogs.com but you got a guy i don't like bothering you got a guy outside of the country i don't like bothering

i made i made somebody mad once i forget who it was i made somebody mad once that was like a you know mutual friend he said oh get a life or something because i kept on editing his thing on discogs because he was doing it wrong so i was fixing it and he got pissed off at me so i was like you know what i'm just gonna have my friends start doing it yeah so i don't get myself in trouble for what it's worth i appreciate all the work you did for me on discogs because I would not have done that. Entering that memory stick thing that you did was the hardest thing I've ever done. That was like everything up until 2018.

That wasn't fun, Sean. That was you. That's on you. The calculation that you must have made when you were like, okay, I need someone to do this, but I don't want to get an American. I want someone out over the an american i want someone out over the border i want someone out of the country i need to have like a barrier so it can't get

traced back to me yeah oh my god something i don't want to get in any further into this we love canada oh my god man somebody needs to crack you open like a melon and just see what's in there jamie all right reverse reaction so you're going to play that yeah what's this called pat's house new jersey see that's the thing like what is this album even called he has so much information crammed on the spine about the you know it's almost like a bootleg it's like oh this one was done in pat's house and the other one was done at nne records in dover del Delaware. What is this? This is all handwritten? Yeah. And he's got his personal cell phone number in here?

He does. People don't do that anymore. Yeah, well, Frank. You want to call him right now? Yeah, sure. 302. Where's he at now? He might be at work.

He lives in Atlantic City now. Okay. Call him up and ask him what the name of this tape is. Okay. If you can read the number. It the name of this tape is. Okay. If you can read the number. It's kind of tough to read. I think I have him saved to my phone. Yeah, we'll see.

Please leave your message for... Straight to voicemail. Damn, he's got you blocked. He's tired of hearing about all the Discog requests. Hey, Frank Frank this is um I'll see you later this is Jamie I was just calling you I'm playing your tape on the podcast

Jamie stop alright so verse reaction is it my oh then you're gonna play two yeah go ahead fine that's fine whatever this second tape since Joby's not here I'm kinda doing this one in his honor because he just plays all that dungeon stuff the whole time oh i thought we were going to get a week away from a show away from well listen i got something that is like christian new age music

but it sounds like what the fuck are you holding what is that it's called angels voices from heaven i found it at treasure hunt um in the newcastle farmer's market a few years ago it was i i entered it on discogs hardly anybody has it in their collection it's like a total like you know i'm not sure if it's private press or if it's like was put out by it has like a distribution company but there is not much stuff by this company and i'll say this the tape is really good it's uh the the a side's kind of like harp like a lot of harps and angelic harps but the b B side, that's what we're going to play. That's where it starts sounding a little bit.

It doesn't sound like Dungeon Synth, but it sounds like something one of those guys would put out. A little bit. If that makes sense. Yeah. Dungeon Synth adjacent. So the project is called like Angels and the album is called Voices from Heaven. Yeah. And there's this like painting on the front that like i think like my grandma would have

like exactly yeah it's like like in her kitchen it must be christian i got to imagine but there's no there's no words on it but it's just it's angelic but the b-side is a little bit darker are these like the heads of cherubs like if they had bodies would they be naked with wings i think so yeah the graphic design on this is also like these little like uh i don't know what you call them those little like star like things yeah going around the border and it's like you see that on your grandma's doily or something and like the the smished up yin yang on the side yeah i don't know the yin yang is a little out of place yeah it's really this is very interesting, I actually have two of these tapes. I bought two of the tapes

from the same artist because they were sitting right next to each other and I think they were like 50 cents each. So I just snatched them both up and this one's a little bit better than the other one

but they're both pretty good and they're, you know, kind of got lucky. From 1996. Yeah, Angels. Whoever that is, there's no information that you could,

it's impossible to Google. Have you looked up Onganku or whatever this is o-n-g-a-k-u music distribution how you spell that again o-n-g-a-k-u i think that's who like released this yeah there's 136 releases on discog from that company but angels i think only has the two releases and they were both ones that i added like a few years ago when i bought this tape and yeah the only reason i like i listened

to it this week randomly and uh i was like wow so you've had this for a while yeah and i was i was listening i was like wow this could be one of joe b's tapes that he brought to the show so okay so in joe b's honor we'll play this one in joe b's honor we'll play this angels tape this is gonna be fun yeah this reminds me remember when i played that flute maker tape the village flute maker or whatever i don't remember that you don't remember that i found i found the tape at the beach like at a thrift store at the beach and it was called i forget i don't even know where on the shelf it even disappeared to but it was called like the village flute maker it was a dude who made flutes and he just played like new age flute music oh that sounds awesome that's fun i found him on the internet and he like still makes flutes and i was like and the tape was from like 92 or something

like that but this is from 96 and yeah i'm i'm interested in this jamie yeah before everybody was making this stuff ironically they were actually making it it's not ironic how dare you how dare you how dare you they're not listening they're not listening they're not sending stuff that's true well they're 100 not sending us anything but they're they're absolutely not listening i think also the dungeon synth people are at a level like even when we play their stuff they won't't mention it. Oh, wow. Yeah, I know. They just like to keep their mystery about them. When we interviewed the Wernom guy, he wouldn't tell us who Swampus was.

That's true. Yeah. It's the aesthetic. He's just like, oh, it's my friend, Swampus. I'm going to play a tape by Tree Ash. Oh, fuck. I should have. Fuck. That would have been a good.

I should have fucking played this in the first room crisis an expression I should have played this in the first block. Mamma mia. God. Give me fuel, give me fire, give me that which I desire. I should have played this in the first block because you played that tape. That's made of trash. That's made of trash, and this tape's called Trish. Trish. The name of the project is, well, how would you say it?

Oh, Trish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Trish. Trish. Trish. T-R-A-Y-S-H. How would you use this word in a sentence? Jamie, how would you use it in a sentence? I have to throw my trash out by the curb.

This is a trio from Chicago. Deep dish. Deep dish. Windy. Please. Windy as hell. It's windy as hell. I'm trying to pull it up here.

I got, I'll tell you exactly what it is. Cause they go hard on the description. I love the description on Husky Pants Bandcamp. I have so many fucking tabs open. So many tabs open. You wouldn't believe. I don't still need the Matt Reese Discogs tab open. Are you tapped out? Oh yeah. Did we talk about what we thought

they said on that tape? On that I've been Cunningham. The bumpy tape. They didn't say tabs out. It didn't sound anything like that. No they said tapped out. It's kind of like tabs out. It hardly sounded like it at all. Ben Baker Billington. Give me some pomp and circumstance here. Triple B's. said tapped out it's kind of like tabs that hardly sounded like it as well ben baker billington so give me something that's some uh pomp and circle triple b's yeah tiger hatchery quick sales andrew scott young on bass and guitar also tiger hatchery alum and daniel van durham

who was uh i'm trying to look what projects they were in and i can't find it on the fly come on you better hit it aavd trio and kvl and kvl which is also a trio this guy's got trioitis i'm diagnosing him his ass right now but i love on the uh husky pants bandcamp page for they swing big now listen this is an awesome tape they jazz it up it's jess it's full jess i like how that has a name we were talking about that on a previous episode about sometimes these trios they say they say their names uh-huh and i like the i like when they have a band name i like when they have a band name too turn your mic up a little bit okay i was far away sorry i like i like these excellent tape fine group of gentlemen excellent history

yeah but god damn they take some big ass swings on the on the it says on there the description is falling somewhere between fish sun raw black dice medesky martin wood and bitches brew air Black Dice, Madesky Martin Wood and Bitches Brew Air Miles Davis okay now like those are some heavies that's big hitters you fellows are great you bang on the drums and you play the guitars and you got all kinds of instruments

and you play the jazz and you do so good and then you're like how should we describe it and you're like well I think we're kind of like fish and sun raw and like one the best miles davis albums ever recorded it's like jesus christ pull you pull the zipper off fellas put it away you're doing some big ass swang in today taking some big swings knocking it out of the park it's good it's a good tape maybe tone it down then something you know someone the assholes was like if we're going to mention like bethesda martin and wood and we're going to mention fish and sunrock can we like throw in like black dice as well

like why stop there why not just be like i throw in like a janet jackson yeah let's do cannibal Cannibal corpse. Red red wine era UB40. Hints of ween. Notes of the 1947 Boston Red Sox. Just say any shit you want to say. Ladies and gentlemen, the Doobie Brothers. Shady favorites. That's the name of the tape. But it's jizz. It's the name of the tape. But it's jizz.

It's a ton of jizz. I'm going to play a huge chunk off the track to Sick With Experience. And then you, what do you say? Michael Potter's ready to go? I'm sending him the link. He's starting to sweat. We got to sound check this Zoom call, man. I'll tell you that.

Oh, fuck it. Who cares? The rest of the show sounds like shit. What are you going to do? Oh, so I can sound like I'm in a fucking refrigerator every episode, but when Michael Potter shows up, we got to sound check him? Jesus Christ. You're meeting with royalty.

You're sick with experience, Jamie. It makes me sick. But yeah, I'm going to play that tree of shady favorites on Husky Pants. I'm not sure if it's out yet. But if it is, depending on when you're listening to this, it's a fresh one. But Sean, you want to round this off? You didn't pick one yet, right? Yeah, I didn't pick one yet. What are you feeling?

You asking me? Yeah, yeah. You guys want to pick? Maybe Jamie's pick this time? No, you go ahead. You do whatever you want to do. All right. Within reason. Within reason.

Within reason. I have been doing Nevito things. All right. I'm feeling like I'm going to do this Lucas Sabella, Ruli Shabara, Rumberto Angozali, Gagu. Gagu.

Improv with drum, glass. We know Lucas Sabella, of course. And Ruli Shabara with with vocals like random sounds and stuff recorded 2010 supposed to be an improv session with the full band zoo but only the drummer and the vocalist could make it so they ended up recording this improv session instead okay i don't think it's been played on the podcast before it hasn't it has not and i like that you're playing it yeah i like that you picked it i will say when jamie said that he didn't like when trios had the names wow he said i like when they don't use their names i like when they pick a name was that did it go off in your head that you were like fucking jamie i hate jamie

i'm gonna pick this one next you're gonna stick it to him i'm gonna pick the one tape i have that has three people's names three and they didn't pick yeah pretty much that's uh what the fuck it was it was throwing some shade at jamie are you sure it's not called gagu or it's gagu the album name gagu is the album name uh gagu improvisations 2010 does gagu mean something um it's just kind of like gibberish oh okay kind of were you implying that the their three names was the name of the tape no oh no no oh yes they bet in your in your sad project is called gagoo and then the album is called uh roly who and the mike patent of right? Yeah, yeah, pretty much. You've probably seen or heard of him because he's toured all over the world

in a couple projects, Senyawa, Zoo. Senyawa's even on the Red Dead Redemption 2 video game soundtrack. Seriously? Wait, who is this? The Mike Patton of Indonesia? What are we talking about? He's got a vocal range similar to Mike Patton.

Is this person known as the mike patton of indonesia or did jamie just coin that now sean's i've heard i got that from you yeah and like people you know that's kind of a way to associate him for people who aren't familiar with his voice there we go classic god it's all toilet sounds and then lucas sabella he just eats glass the whole time yeah this is uh from his is anyone is anyone gonna tell him to stop is anyone gonna say hey man lucas stop eating the glass man there was a free um download of his music like a box set of like 24 hours of his music and i downloaded and i listened to it all this is on there then probably yeah it was it was a chore

was that from it was all no i'm sorry it was all so good was that from his band camp i love her i forget what i forget what but he posted and i i download it i listen the whole thing how long did it take you to listen to it? Woo! Here's it. Oh, God! We're going to need a towel here. I'm sorry. That reaction was everywhere. I like Lucas Abella, but 24 hours is a lot of music. You doing one shot?

Thankfully, no. But over the course of many days. So we got Guy in Glass, Indonesian Mike Patton, and then who's the third person oh um oh bet uh he's the drummer for zoo okay yeah nice zoo is amazing by the way i was trying to find a clip of them to bring you in on this episode but zoo is like the most impossible thing to google so i couldn't find any clips yeah they're they're they're out there you just have to know the sites to go to it's like you know deep yeah you played a lot of them in that documentary oh and I remember Gagoo means mute not gibberish

mute? mute I'm gonna mute you Sean oh no there you go try talking now yeah see little engineer prank there that's right some of our sound engineers out there are to really get a kick out of that one. I'm going to go ahead and turn it off. so Thank you. so so

so Thank you. I'm going to go back down the line. One, two, 3, 4. Thank you. so and so Thank you. so Thank you. Thank you. The Thank you. Thank you. The The The Thank you. © transcript Emily Beynon ¶¶ ¶¶ Thank you. Thank you. guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo Thank you. guitar solo I'm going to go get some food. Thank you. I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man. I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man. I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man. I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man! Thank you. I'm not a fucking idiot. Thank you. And we're back. Wake me up. Oh, my goodness. We had a verse reaction from Pat's house in Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey, July 19th, 2006. Does it really give that much?

I didn't see all that information. Well, it says E-H-T-N-J, which I know means Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey, July 19th, 2006. Does it really give that much? I didn't see all that information. Well, it says E-H-T-N-J, which I know means Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey. Oh, wow, you know that. That's where Frank lives. You're a huge New Jersey head, huh? I'm from New Jersey. I dabble.

All right, all right. He got a virus. Then next up, we had Angels, Voices from Heaven. This is really, really scary. After that, we had trish um on what was that label called again husky pants riley walker's label do we and then after that we had big chicago vibes you guys watch the bear behind you chef behind you chef i'm making a sandwich chef that's all they did that and then this finally uh an album called gagu by lucas abella ruli shibara and ramberto

aguzali three i said that right you you gave me a nod of approval on what label we have the name of the label we didn't mention it before not on label no it's on uh dulip lover lucas abella's oh okay right on you try to sandbag his ass because he made you say it a tape that had three i know that's a trio with three names what is it when you sandbag somebody or when you get sandbag you're laying them down holding them back i don't know because you guys saw mitch mcconnell just stop the other day right yeah and then he said that he got a sandbag what does that mean to get sandbag it means you like can't go anywhere you can't move you

can't say anything you're just held down by sandbags okay good yeah and that's normal that so we hear some laughing in the background there we're finally joined by we've let him out of the waiting room and we let him in there um and you can let me know if i get any of this wrong athens uh clark county georgia's own uh runs or has run several labels including uh null zone with several lines and slashes and we'll get into why those lines and slashes are there and how annoying they are a label called garden portal several projects including i believe maybe one that's trying to go on tour somewhat soon oh yeah um settled in 1801 population is 127,315 people there in ath Georgia. And one of those people under the leadership of Governor Kelly Gertz is Michael Potter. Michael, thank you for joining us, Michael.

Thanks for having me. Hey, how's your mayor doing? How is Kelly Gertz doing? You know, honestly, I don't see him or talk to him that often. Yeah. I'm just looking. I just only know about Kel because I'm looking at the picture that he has on his Wikipedia page. And he has just got these dead eyes. And I'm thinking, get a synthesizer in front of this guy.

This guy definitely looks like he's got three to four albums penned up inside of him, I can tell. Just by this dead stare that he's given, he's just like... My eyes are going crazy. He's looking right through me. But you... Tell us a little bit about Null Zone. I believe, is that still active? Or did you run into the ground?

Tell us what's going on with that. And tell us why there are so many... How do you say the name of the label? Because I've had this debate on, like, do you have to annoyingly put, like, the slash, slash, null, line, Z, circle with a line through it. More slashes at the end uh and all of a sudden my computer i typed it all in now my computer's got a virus so what's going on with um null zone you

know all that's not necessary you can just say null zone okay and and most of the time when i when i type it out i i usually leave all that other stuff out i I'm not even sure one of those symbols how to even press it on a keyboard. It's pretty annoying for me as well. I'm not sure why I did that. I started Null Zone in 2015.

I don't know. I thought it was cool then and now I'm stuck with it. Are you still doing it? I think I was on discogs earlier i think i don't know maybe maybe well yeah they got the electric nature tape yeah yeah but there was a big there's a big gap don't try to carry water for this guy that was a huge i'm trying to help why the gap were you focusing on something else were you what's going on? I was having a rough time in 2021 doing both labels and just going through a bad sort of mental headspace and decided I needed to cut back from that for a while. Null Zone is still alive. And in fact, next year

we're going to be bringing the label back with a lot of new releases. Not just cassettes. We're going to be doing some vinyl, some CDs as well. I'm not quite sure about Garden Portal. Sorry. What did you say there at the end?

Did you say something about Garden Portal? Yeah, it's going to probably still be in hiatus for a while but uh it's it's not completely dead so what is the difference between what separates garden portal and null zone why you were running null zone for a few years and then were you doing that label alone and then are you did you also start garden portal alone and then for what reasons right yeah I do them both alone just as two separate sort of worlds of music you know null zone is more on the electronic experimental sort of sort of tip and garden portal is more acoustic or more um organic i guess i should say you know because there's some electric stuff there um i kind of had the idea after going to this um

in a thousand incarnations of the rose festival in 2018 where i met a lot of the, I guess, newer school sort of American primitive revolving artists like Joseph Allred and Alexander and Rob Noyes, those guys. And they were really nice, and I struck up a friendship with several of them, and I just thought, why not have a little micro-label to do some cassettes of the more experimental type of this stuff going on and uh that ended up being way more popular than null zone or anything else the tapes are beautiful yeah to that part yeah there's definitely a vibe with um garden portal like an aesthetic yeah that like because null zone seems to be i mean not that there's not

like something going on with null zone that you're doing specifically but like when i say with an aesthetic like all the tapes seem to you know you go by a template on garden portal you know that obviously a very specific choice right yeah i have a discogs question okay and may jamie this might be more for you yeah Yeah. Now it says when you go to the null zone, it says it has a sub-label of Garden Portal, right? Yeah. And then when you go to Garden

Portal, it says that the parent label is null zone. So how does Discogs view that relationship? Why is it parent and sub? You know, I have no is that what is that like make the uh the entries for either one of those so someone else decided that but it doesn't seem to be something you can control it's just there are parent labels that have sub labels and sub

labels that have parent labels so it's a parent sub relationship interesting why what is that who made that decision i don't. That makes me very uncomfortable. We can fix it. Can you have your Canadian kind of look into that and poke around? I have a guy in Canada, Michael, so I don't anger you

with any of my edits. I have a guy in Canada who does my dirty work, so I'll be in touch. Can you state for the record that Garden Portal is indeed not the parent label for Null Zone? The other way around. Null Zone indeed not the parent label for Null Zone.

The other way around. Null Zone is not the parent label of Garden Portal. Oh, they're just independent. They're two distinct entities. Okay. Correct. That is all the evidence I need. I saw that I was doing both, and Null Zone was started several years earlier, and that's

probably assumed. We will get that fixed for you. Oh, great. Don't say, when you say we, you mean, it's a separate entity, okay. So you say you have new stuff coming out on Null Zone. What is the new stuff? Oh, I can't talk about all of it.

Oh, NDA, signed an NDA. I cannot tell you, it's confidential. It's some legal stuff involved there. I can't. You know, we had Aaron Dilloway on the show and he told us he told us exclusive information. Yeah. He told us he told us what the imprint on the side of the Hanson cassette tapes was from. Did he really?

I don't remember that. He gave us a little nugget. Michael, Michael, give us give us a little nugget. I can say that I am in talks with one of my favorite all-time guitar players from New York City. Edward Van Halen. Whose initials are LC. LC. LC. Let's think this through, Sean.

Leonard Cohen. Leonard Cohen. Could be Leonard Cohen. Nailed it. Do we have anyone else? Is Leonard Cohen from New York City? I kind of doubt it. He's Canadian, isn't he?

He must live in New York City. Pittsburgh, maybe? No, he's Canadian. Yeah, and he died like 10 years ago. Lenny Kravitz with a C? That's Lenny Kravitz with a C. Boot ago lenny kravitz with the sea that's lenny kravitz with the sea bootleg exactly yes okay so it's a leonard cohen tape a bootleg lenny kravitz tape what else there's gonna be one more no i need one yeah guys help me figure out one okay well we have it's not you

know we don't have any more information than this, but I'm talking with Lauren Connors about releasing a one-sided 12-inch with an etching on the B-side, and that's going to kind of be the kickoff of the Null Zone vinyl series next year. Awesome. Okay, but I'll probably – is it cool if I cut that out and say it's by Les Claypool? There you go. Bass player, but who was yeah yeah tuber string famously from new york city yeah wait this is a question for jamie right

the multi-instrumentalist yeah yeah yeah can a bass player play guitar are they allowed um well all guitar players can play bass they'll all tell you that no i'm asking you the other way sometimes not always what about les claypool well i'm sure les claypool can you can do all those little tippity taps well how about from the uh famous duo luke costello lucas hello abin costello i've been costello lucas stello what about it what if we put it out by him just him though he's like who's on first? And then there's no answer. No, he says, how about this, Michael?

How about this? And this could be on Garden Portal or Null Zone. It's like a Luca. It's like an Abedin Costello thing, but one of them is a guitar. So it's like, who's on first? And then it's like, ba-dum-bum. And then you can figure it out. I i'm not gonna do the whole thing right now i can roll with this okay so that's that's another one we can do um

was um who was the guy from mortal kombat like luke cage oh yeah what luke cage is uh power man he's marvel marvel comic Okay, can he play guitar? I'm sure he could. He's got superpowers, right? Okay, okay. So we got all of these and then plus the real one that you mentioned. All right.

All right, all right. That's an idea. We got him. We squeezed it out of him. I feel like we got what we wanted out of that. All right, so let's talk about the electric nature and when i say that i need like a like a thunder like the electric nature yeah there you go is this a project that you're uh a part of and you guys are trying to go on tour huh yeah it's uh well it's kind of like my main project, I guess.

I've been doing on and off since the mid-2000s. It's had several different iterations, different members and such. Right now we're a mostly improvisational three-piece. We've got a new tape coming out next month on eiderdown records oh yeah yeah yeah yeah friends of the show yeah love that label totally so happy to work with them and we're doing um uh tour mid-september through the beginning of october so who it's you and you said um tonight this is like a trio show. This show's got, talk about trio-itis.

They got a name though. I'm just realizing there's three of us right here. Oh wow. I just realized it. Magic number. So who are the other two people in this? Right, so it's Michael Pierce, who also records as Sweet Earth Flying

and Wet Garden and Leisure Service and a few other things. And Tom Strickland, also from the band Smoke Dog and Pervert. And Pervert. Look, Jamie, that's funny that you bring that up because I have a Smoke Dog tape here called Drinking Under the Table. Oh, yeah. That was one of the first Null Zone tapes. I believe this is Null Zone number five. It looks like you were just... I don't mean to make light of

you going through some heavy stuff earlier, but you must have been going through some shit here because the spine's upside down. You put the text on the spine upside down. So you must have had a little bit going on in your head. Yeah, obviously you weren't focusing too much because the spine's upside down so you must have had a lot you must have a little bit going on in your head yeah obviously weren't focusing too much because the spine is upside down here that's fine but this is um this smoke dog tape is uh well what is this what is this thomas strickland

guy doing? Because I notice he'll play like an acoustic guitar, and then all of a sudden they'll just be like, sounds like bottles falling off the table and speakers messing up. And what is Smoke Dog? And what is Thomas Strickland's deal? I have no idea. Oh, okay.

He's one of my best friends and an amazing person. Musically, he just does whatever he wants. And I think oftentimes he doesn't even know what he wants, so he just does whatever his hands do. Oh, that comes through on here, yeah. And he says whatever the hell he wants.

Oh, he says what? Also, he's one of these guys who just says what's on his mind? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. also he's one of these guys who just says what's on his mind hell yeah hell yeah who did the art for this early uh null zone stuff uh that was all done by shifter who's a artist in atlanta um we worked together for several years um she did a lot of the null zone artwork and i noticed i noticed you did the mastering i said mastered by michael potter in here so when we're listening to it

and we notice that snare really coming through or that feedback sounds just right a lot of sonic separation yeah we'll notice that sonic most lo-fi music in the world yeah yeah yeah what do you like what do you consider like when you put that in there and you say mastered by michael potter what do you mean what do you mean what did you do what did you do to the smoke dog tape yeah i edited some sounds i uh you know threw some compression on there a little eq here and there, some volume equalization, just stuff like that. And then all of a sudden you're an audio engineer. Yeah, that's all it takes. That's all it takes.

What do you think about some of these hot shots in the mastering world? You want to take them down a notch? You want to use some time to take them down a notch? Say something about James Plotkin. I've never actually worked with any of those guys. I usually get my tapes mastered by Grant Richardson. Y'all know that guy? No.

No. He does a lot of the harsh noise stuff, but he also does a very great job on just anything kind of electronic or experimental or ambient. All right. Yep. Shout out to Grant Richardson. He does Nod. You know that project?

Yeah. Just say yeah. Nod. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nod your head. Yeah, when he's saying Nod, he does that project. Uh-huh. No, Nod.

G-N-A-W-E-D. Oh, Nod? Yeah, Nod. Like Nod something. No, Nod. Nod. Nod's a different band What are you saying?

Gnaw Gnaw Gnawd Let's move on to Jamie, you have a tape Let's move on to that tape Yeah, you know what? We're not going to focus on

Any of your labels this time We're going to focus on Michael himself Me? Already Dead Number 251 Garden Portal Almanac

Yeah I was listening to this The other day and I was really enjoying the B-side when you did that cover of what's that song called? Sleepwalker? Yeah, Sleepwalker. It's a good song. Do you guys know the song? You guys know the song Sleepwalker, you just don't know you know it.

Who does this song Sleepwalker? It's kind of like a 1960s... Santo and Johnny. Who is it? Santo and Johnny did the... or maybe not the original but they have the most famous... It's like a surf... It's like a lazy surf song. What if you could do SEO smarter?

Sorry. And he does a great psychedelic kind of cover of it with a lot of reverb. I really like it. It's embarrassing sometimes. This song is very interesting because it happened at 2 o'clock in the morning. This is a true thing. One brother woke the other brother and said, I have an idea for a song.

2 o'clock in the morning. They got up. They lived in a two brother and said, I have an idea for a song. He's like, two o'clock in the morning. They got up. They lived in a two-family house. I'm going to skip ahead here. Oh, yeah. Sean's nodding. Sean knows it. Oh, yeah, sure. Sean, you want to sing along?

No, you don't want my karaoke. Now imagine this. Now imagine this, but somebody else is saying, who's on second? Right? And like, what's on second? I don't know who's on third. What? On second? What about third?

I don't know. On third? Who's't know. On third? Who's pitching? Shortstop. I thought they were on first. And now imagine that going on for about an hour and a half. I think we got a tape right here already. I do.

Well, we were recording all this. Well, here's the thing, Michael. We record all this, but it sounds like shit. No, it doesn't. It does. It sounds like absolute shit. And Jamie refuses to pay anyone to master it. And we've already burned all of our bridges with some of the bigger names.

I do master these episodes, I will say. It's a poor man's mastering, but it's mastering nonetheless. Jamie, please. I just run it through my vintage Neve console that I got sitting in the other room of my house. So did this tape come out pre-Garden Portal portal what do you mean by garden portal almanac that makes me sounds like we found like a map to something right uh i don't know it was uh i don't really know why garden portal has been stuck in my in my head for so long as a phrase um but yeah that was the first time i had used it in any artistic sense it just sounded cool to me garden portal almanac um it really has nothing to do whatsoever with

garden portal the label that came after it um but i i do love that tape a lot that's kind of the most accessible music i've ever made hmm kind of a psych prog rock sort of thing going on there yeah definitely was this your only time doing something with already dead no I've done a few tapes with them they did the rain song tape okay yeah that was from like 2019, right? Yeah. 2018, something like that? Yeah. Okay. 2019, I believe, yeah.

And they did an Electric Nature split tape with Forget the Times back in 2013. I think that's when I first started working with them. Oh, wow. They released the first Serator tape. Oh, Serator is you. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah. Serator is your noise project,

right? Right. Yeah. And they released another sort of noise project I'm in called Georgia Power in 2021. Is a Serator like a machine that serrates dull knives? Like it turns a butter knife in? I was thinking of it as a machine

that just serrates anything oh oh oh so it could turn like a shoe into a serrate knife that's exactly right alright well Michael Potter going on tour with Electric Nature you said in September

hopefully Jamie's dumbass can get this episode uploaded by then yeah and hopefully we have a venue here in Delaware by then maybe you could play here that'd be great I'd love to you got anything uploaded by then. Yeah, and hopefully we have a venue here in Delaware by then. Maybe you could play here. That'd be great. I'd love to. You got anything else you want? Any parting wisdom?

Any complaints you need to voice? I'm feeling pretty good. You want to fire off an email to Kelly Gertz here about anything? Hey, what's going on in Athens, Georgia? I can, if you need me to. You know Kelly Gertz? Just so you know, he has one son. I didn't know that. He was born in Bath, Maine.

He likes to walk around the Newtown neighborhood of Athens on the weekends with a trash stick and act like he's picking up trash and putting it in the bag. But I think he really just wants people to see him doing that. I watched him out my window one day when he was on my street and he didn't he didn't even pick up any trash but you watched him at it you would yeah you watched him at your window but he's the weird one yeah that's right that's right my eyes are going crazy you know there's a mayor in newark delaware named vance funk who does the same thing he'll walk down main street in newark delaware. He walks around Athens. Yeah, he walks around

Athens, Georgia. He goes there. Picks up trash, but not really. There's a huge mayor convention in Athens every year. They just pretend to pick up trash.

Pretend to pick up trash, yeah. Oh, man. Well, if you see Kelly, let him say that, let him know that Andrea Griffith-Gertz and his one son, hopefully they're doing okay.

Yeah. Okay. And even Nancy Dennison, who he, who was a mayor, and she was in office from 1980 to 1985. So, or excuse me, no. She was Athens City Council member in those days. She was in office from 2011 to 2019. I thought so. I thought it was more or less.

Yeah, she was preceded by Hy-Vee Davison. You can put on a comp with all these people. Doc Elridge. Doc Elridge. That's a good name. A lot of new entries to Discogs. Yes. A lot of new artist profiles. The work never ends, right? It's true. For sure. Alright, Michael, thank you for joining

us. It was good talking to you. Yeah, Michael, thank you. Thanks for having me on. Take care. Bye-bye. I'm glad the restraint we showed without uh like playing any harry potter clips and you're like mr potter i didn't even think about that could you imagine if like every five seconds i played like a really loud mr potter that like totally drowned him out yeah oh if we could just do it again uh you can always fix it in post hermione hermione yeah they don't even have to say potter it just has to be from harry potter all right so um what do we have there we have like three tapes two tapes that we're gonna play sean did you i didn't pull anything yet um i'm gonna play that smoke dog

and then we'll play the michael potter tape and then um and we already played that electric nature tape a few episodes ago so if you want to hear it go back and listen to the old episode you want to say which one that is uh the electric nature no which episode oh i don't know i think like maybe 189 188 somewhere i'll figure it out sean sean go ahead yeah i got this live Woon 2019 January 12th. I picked it up when I was in Japan. I don't know if you know anything about these guys.

Woon duo from Tokyo. A lot of live performance art with their stuff. On the cover, you'll see this Roland D2 groove box. They carry this around with them, so it's not on a table or anything. It's like kind of like on a shoulder strap, battery

powered with like battery powered amp. You're really into that too, Sean. Oh yeah. I love moving around. I love like performing noise. I love moving around, yeah. Not just behind a table. Cardio. He loves cardio. Yeah. We were talking about it in the car. We were talking about how more people got to get up and electrocute themselves a little bit. Yeah. When you're doing

those noise sets. Did you guys come here together? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh, shit. That's cool. He doesn't have a car here.

No. Oh, I wish I knew any of this. I haven't driven in nine years. Oh, okay. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, these guys, they'll do like balancing acts. Like they'll take the chairs from the venue and like balance them on top of each other and put their shoes on top of it.

They have like ladders they'll pull out and like stand on top of the ladders it's it's very interesting if you can catch their stuff on like youtube or instagram or whatever but um this is a live performance of theirs recorded looks like on a maxwell tape um self-released i looked on this guy's can't find anything about it even the uh j card is, it's like a picture. It's got a little stamp there. Yeah, but it's printed on photo paper. Oh, that's cool. Like, you know, one hour photo kind of thing.

Oh my gosh, Harry Potter. Not Daniel Radcliffe. Harry Potter. There you go. I got a whole soundboard of him from you right now, by the way. Did you put your name into the goblet of fire? And this ties directly into the chat with

Michael Potter because Mike's gonna love this. Check out the J-Card, Mike. You're gonna love their self-release. The spine. Is it upside down? Oh, Mike. You're going to love their self-release. The spine. Is it upside down? Oh, yeah. Oh, they fucked up, too.

Oh, man. They had some heavy stuff going on. That sucks. Makes me sad. You know what this cover reminds me of? Did you guys ever have Intellivision growing up? The video? No, I know what it is, but no.

Intellivision? It was like an Atari game console thing um and the controllers you would slide these plastic cards like a telephone a little bit right uh yeah yeah exactly the number pad then had like a silver wheel at the bottom yeah yeah yeah um it was actually very advanced um and it had these like overlay cards you would slide in so every card every game would have its own like you know overlay and this looks like one of those cards okay you would slide in someone should do that someone should do that someone google right now in television not you guys someone listen someone google like in television

overlay inserts or whatever or and try to find them and use them because they were about the size of j cards oh that'd be really cool someone should do that wow i have such good ideas you make it after all these years i still have some every self you know what's funny is i probably said this in like episode 72 so i don't like i'm just repeating the same ideas you know you're not going to believe me but sean here is making a game boy game right now oh you are yeah yeah it's actually done we just haven't released it yet um no it's kind of like is it dr maria no it's it's self done. Is it Tetris? We just haven't released it yet. No, it's kind of like a... Is it Dr. Mario? No, it's self-release.

It's based off of the noise project I've been doing for the last couple of years. Oh, it's a conceptual. Yeah, yeah. This is interesting. So I have this noise project called Asusa. Okay. You know what that sounds like, right? Yeah.

I can't believe you picked that. Well, the name behind it is because Asu asu means dog in indonesia it's like an insult like you'd say hey which means like you're a dog and stuff and then usa because um you know wherever you're from and you tour internationally they always put in parentheses the country you're from being an american uh we always get like in parentheses usa and i said hey wait that's asu backward oh yeah so that's the the noise project and it's just like a conceptual thing we wear like costumes and i made these body synths that you would attach to different points of your arms and legs. And they make just typical noises you would get from like a noise box,

like a 555 timer kind of thing. But your body movements are triggering the sound and the pitch and the rate. And you love to move. And I love to move. So this thing must be loud as shit. It must be going in so many different noises. Oh, yeah. It's all over the place.

I like the way you move, hon. Thank you. But yeah, so the Game Boy game. I'm bringing it back to the Game Boy game. I was going to say, I think you forgot about the Game Boy game. No, no, I'm tying it back. I was just kind of laying the groundwork of the noise project. Oh, here it is.

This is fun. One of the pandemic projects was we made a zine that kind of told, like a comic zine that told the story of our characters that we dress up as or we channel. And then I was playing around with some Game Boy video game makers online. I said, you know, I could make this into a video game as well that you could just play from your phone. And so there's a game completely released five levels maybe 20 minutes to play the entire thing soundtrack wait can i play it right now yeah you could how do i get to it um hmm can i get to it on my laptop type asu usa.itch

yeah itch io i believe i sent it to jamie let Yeah, itch.io, I believe. I sent it to Jamie, let me check. Itch.io? .... I think it's... Hold on. Sent this... I got a virus. Oh, I'm at something. Yeah,.itch.io.

I'm at something. Yeah, there you go. So it's available for iOS, Android. You can download it and play it on an emulator as a ROM. You can play it directly on your computer. Yeah, that's it. I'm playing. how do i press start i don't know on your keyboard but probably oh my god none of the buttons are start enter maybe no

that's not enter okay and then use maybe the arrow keys and then what enter no enter doesn't work z yes you work there you go this is fun this is a little game how do I skip all the text maybe they button next to Z X and you made this music yeah I made the music as well in a tracker oh look at this and then there's little figure are these you these little yeah those are the little dudes uh and girl that's we're we're we're trio plus more trio yeah it's another trio and then they run all around okay i won't get into obviously no one can see this so they don't know it's a game i could have been doing anything you haven't for real um that's cool that's interesting i made a game too and it's somewhere but you gotta ask my canadian friend to see it and it's it's actually

in yours was only black and white mine's in full color yeah um then it has yours at five levels mine has six okay no problem um is your canadian friend the same guy jamie knows yeah his discog mine's more like a leisure suit larry game. Does it have one eye closed, one leg up? My eyes are going crazy. So you know it does. Live Woon. Live Woon. I forgot we were even talking about that.

2019, January 12th. I had the great fortune to get a gig with these guys as Asusa because we're very similar in that we're very audience interactive moving around a lot so had the fortune to play with these guys in one of our tokyo uh tourings picked up this cassette and um i had been a fan of theirs before even playing with them i had requested to play with them love their music um love their their performances so i'm happy to play them i don't think they have much of a Discog presence either I think outside of maybe

Japan I don't think they're that well known they don't have Discogs in Japan? I looked them up they have one thing on a compilation I don't think they don't have a lot of recorded music they don't have stuff up there it's a thick ass label on the show

the sticker is like thick as hell I want to peel it off it's a thick ass label on the uh show yeah it's like a sticker it's like thick as hell i want to peel it off it's like a magnet uh do we know the name of the label i this is self-release self-release all right i'm ready to play these and go on out oh yeah thanks to michael potter yeah that was great that was really fun well i had a fun time and i think we all had a fun time i think sean i think you taught us a lot about Game Boys. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And how to insult people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't you do it, Jamie.

Alright. Episode 191. Mother of God, it's all toilet sounds. Thank you. so wow Rock and roll, Athens, Georgia. Thank you. Woo! Woo! Yes! All right.

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