Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Episode #192 | 9.29.23

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

Marc Masters stops by to apologize about his book High Bias: The Distorted History of the Cassette Tape. Tunes from Beauty Parlour, Feast of the Epiphany, Torture Agenda, Besta Quadrada, Burning Plastic Blues Band, Quintelium, Chinese Cigarettes, Id M Theft Able, Dr Slimer, and Problems That Fix Themselves

Hi, I'm Jamie, you know, and I'm here just to inform you that we messed up. I'm sorry, Jamie. We fucked up a little bit. Hold on, don't say we. We didn't fuck up. You fucked up. You know, I just got an email from Ryan Mesteller saying if any of the technical problems were my fault, I apologize.

He's already apologizing. Ryan, how would it be his fault? Some, a few of them, a few of them were his fault. I take responsibility. It was my computer's fault. My computer didn't have a charger that would fit with it. I'll take responsibility. It was just, you know, when it rains, it pours.

It was a comedy of errors. It's all my fault, and it won't happen again. I promise you. I'm fine go to the ship. I want to check out those tapes. Tabs out. Who was that, Kirk? I don't know if that was Star Wars or Star Trek.

No, I think that was Star Trek, my friend. I'm not much of a Trekker. What? I was going to ask you who your favorite captain is. I don't believe in space I think space is flat Space is definitely flat I think space is flat

Tabs out Cassette podcast episode number 192 Can somebody double check that What Almost 200 Jamie stop listening to your Creed LPs And come join us Jamieie stop listening to your creed uh lps and come join us jamie's constantly

listening to his limited edition creed seven inches whenever he comes over with his like charlie brown portable record player what's up guys i'm like jamie we're doing the fucking we only hang out once a month and we do the podcast when we do this songs are catchy i know they're catchy i want to listen that's a big masonic number i want to listen to that shit too man turn my mic up by the way you spend 45 minutes before yeah he's like i'm gonna get these fucking levels oh my god nobody's gonna say shit today it's gonna sound great he's like i'm gonna ride these fucking sliders because we're because we got a lot to handle big day with this up it's a big day for me

it's a big day for all of us all right well i only got to 11 i know i got even less than that but he was like i'm gonna get the everybody because it always sounds like shit what's jamie got we're gonna we're gonna introduce ourselves here oh yeah i'm joe i'm jamie i'm mike who you go last that's like in everything in your life. And he's like, I'm gonna get the levels are gonna be just they're gonna be like a fine wine. Yeah. Aged? They're gonna be like an aged wine. And then of course it all just sounds like shit.

Wine's gross. Because wine's gross. Yeah. So like I said, What do you got? It's a very, well very well I mean it's not just what I got it's a very busy day on the podcast because we got Mark Masters

going to be here in a little bit he's written a book called High Bias the distorted history of the cassette tape I believe that's what it's called he wentias. High Bias. The Distorted History of the Cassette Tape. I believe that's what it's called. He went and sent us a copy.

So how am I supposed to even know what it's called? He refused. He refused to send me a copy. He did email me a PDF, which I printed out a copy. I can't believe you didn't print a whole bunch of your work and get them bound and everything. Well, I'm a bit of a home-dubber, so I just did the one. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's a bit of a home dubber so i just did the one oh okay yeah it's a bit of a home to home dub copy uh i i call it i say we're gonna talk to him i feel like we it's more of a draft we're going to we're going to beat the shit out of

him i think i think we have to beat the shit out of this guy because there's a lot of mistakes specifically dealing with me what yeah where is it where's the book in the book the mistakes are in the book they're in the book that went to prayer in the book so we'll be dealing with that we'll deal with that later i can't even think about it right now i'm so angry i heard about this because i'm also mad why furious you're furious because i'm not in the book you were left out of the book completely. And Mark still thinks Dave does the podcast. I mean, look it up, Mark.

Bulk of the series, right here. Yeah, you were completely... I don't even think we can check the index. I don't even think you're listed. I mean, if we want to do percentage of episodes that I'm on, it's a lot. You came on episode two, I think. 75, I think. I know.

Well, I mean, I think we should beat the living shit out of this guy. I think we should have him mean i think we should beat this living shit out of this guy i think we should have him on and then we just beat the living shit out all right i'm down i've never been in a fight but i've never been i bet jamie fights dirty i have to yeah he has to fight dirty so we got to deal with that we also we received a letter in the mail i already opened it and i read it i guess you guys might want to read it we've received an email speaking of dave not being on the uh episode in a long time we received an email from matthew schumann jamie give me some betting music here let's address this like betting music what

does that mean like a little something in the background i read this in industry terms we got an email the other day from matt schumann matt writes i've been listening to tabs out to tabs out off and on for for 10 years and even been featured once not bad man good job good job uh which was so sick of course it was i started listening again this year and noticed dave is no longer on the show dave's not here man i couldn't find any announcement like that needs an announcement and from what i could tell on a cursory listen he stopped being on this year did something happen oh okay like yeah dave

jamie was hyper quick dave was arrested at januaryth for participating. He pissed in Nancy Pelosi's desk. He's good friends with Ariel Pink. Yeah, and he's currently in prison, rotting away. It goes on to say, I still love the show, just miss the dynamics sometimes of Mike, Dave, and Joe. Joe! Joe, high five. This guy knows who you are.

This guy knows who I am. The new crew is awesome, but doesn't even mention Jamie's name. Hold on. I have something anecdotal to add to that when you get a chance well we probably won't get a chance thanks for making such a great show for so long he's probably talking to me and joe i wouldn't have heard so much of this music he goes on to thank us greatly by you guys probably you're so smart you're so funny you probably great bodies probably run really fast i'm sure mike can jump really high and read books really fast yeah this is all fast and mad and p.s you're probably do speed runs really good at video games

okay no dave got um similar to me and joe dave got bored as shit doing the show but um uh he has other stuff he has other options i guess yeah yeah but me and joe like we realized we realized i'm assuming dave has found another friend somewhere i don't i don't think so i could only imagine maybe he found another friend i don't know now that really is messing my head up jamie how do you feel about this letter from matthew well i want to tell you something real quick yeah remember i went to that ko dot show let you i kept on yeah we know you should fuck up about it it's one of the best shows i've ever been to all right anyway jeff tobias which i see mike i see that in your stack over there we play

jeff tobias a few episodes friend of the. Friend of the show, Jeff Tobias. I walk up to him after the show. He was playing with K.O. Dot, by the way. Walk up to him after the show. What did he play? Big old horn? He played sax and bass, electric bass. He played one of those basses where the tuning pegs are at the other side. So it's, you know what I mean?

Oh, prank bass. Yeah, so anyhow, Jeff Tobias. I walk up to him, never met him before, looks at me and he says, you're Jamie Orlando from Tabs Out. What? How does he know what your face looks like? Yeah, first of all, hold on. I swear to God.

Yeah. I think because he follows me on social media and he might recognize my face. Look at you. You felt pretty good. I wouldn't say from Tabs Out. I would say from like yeah like you're one of like you're kind of like the one of the the whack pack like an auxiliary character on mike and joe's tabs out podcast you're more like the um i'm surprised you have a microphone no that's my ego your ego i was i mean i can puff my chest up with

pride like yeah that's fucking me so what did you get out of this that he was like here's a bunch of tapes here's a bag of tapes i like here's like three naroko cases or something like what did he do where did this go well i'll get to do you want do you want to play my first tape you want you want to get into it yeah i'd love to get into it i feel like there was one more thing or something else well let's see i was trying to trying to find Matthew Schumann on Discogs because he said we featured him one time. I would like to know how. Oh, maybe we played a tape of his.

Is that what you're saying? Yeah, but maybe he says he listens on and off. Maybe he'll listen to this. Matthew Schumann. Dave, we played, actually. He does a project called Wide Color now. Wide Color. We featured him a few episodes back, and we gave him a phone call.

Oh, so yeah, right. I forgot about that. He was on. Yeah. He's doing fine. He plays with mannequins. He plays at his job with mannequins. He's fine. Yeah. You want to get into a tape, Jamie? Yeah, sure. That's fine. We can do that. I will say the letter that came in the

mail, get in all this tape bullshit now. Because the letter that came in the mail get in all this tape bullshit now because the letter that came in the mail is in a way kind of a pivot from that so maybe we'll wrap around this way I wrap around all the way okay so we gotta talk about

K.O. Dot again real quick I'm sorry opening band the opening band Feast of the Geez. All right. Opening band. Months of this. Okay. The opening band. Feast of the Epiphany. Too scary. Feast of the Epiphany. That was the opener.

Feast of the Epiphany. Yes. Apparently they've been around for a while. New York based. Sounds scary. This is it. Project of Nick Podgurski. And it was a four piece when they played.

Bunch of dudes on stage with different instruments, mostly synthesizers. And, you know, when I see that, I think, okay, it's going to be improvisatory, experimental music. They were a four-piece? Four-piece. You've seen that show One Piece? I've never seen it. I know what it is. It's just hard to watch with my kids.

It's pretty good. All right, go ahead, Jamie. So it was... He's going to flip out. Not that I have anything against free improvisation. You love it. Or people getting up on stage and just going with the flow. Get up there.

Bang on that horn. These seemed like composed pieces. Oh, okay. It was... Oh, my God. They played for about 45 minutes minutes and the crowd was silent and after they played the applause they got was just

they may have as well been the headliner it was just a captivating performance how did they clap? big clap? big clap Nick stood up the front man and said a few nice words.

So afterwards, I went to the merch table. Ever since I was a little boy in Liverpool, I dreamed of this night. Because I wanted to find a... Hold on, there's a truck backing up. I wanted to find some of their music. So I went to the merch table, and I found a tape. And I said, perfect, I'll get a tape for the show. Hold on, stop real quick.

I got to say, excellent place to look when you want to pick up the music. Yeah, the merch table. The merch table. Merch table. I wouldn't have thought about that. So I get this tape at the merch table first. And then I talked to Jeff afterwards. And Jeff said he put this tape out.

And he was laughing his ass off because I think he might have the world record for the smallest logo. Now, I hope you guys don't remember the name of his label oh no I did okay good because I brought a microscope today and it is attached to Mike's computer right now so what you guys don't even know there was text there you're gonna try to read that through a mic because then I don't think a magnifying glass is gonna help you with this yeah you might have to get some pictures you looking at this I mean, we think orange milk font is small. It is. But this is... With the light, I might be a little... Oh, my God.

That is tiny. Integrity of something? Nope. Nope. Can you see on a mic screen? Oh, yeah. Hold on. I can pull it up on my screen.

Oh, yeah. That sounds great. How do I do it again? Go to the camera. Oh, here. Oh, okay. Move the microphone. Move to sector.

Move it to... Okay, stop. And then this is a zoom dial. It says... Okay, yeah. Oh, okay. Move the microphone. Move to sector. Move it to... Okay, stop. And then this is a zoom dial. It says... Okay, yeah. Zoom in a little bit. You're getting out of focus. You're more...

Oh, stop, stop, stop, stop. Oh, yeah. Backup just a little... Just a touch. It's so sensitive. It's so sensitive. Now, here's the thing. I can read it now, but it can get clearer.

So, backup just a little bit more. Just a touch. You went too far. Go the other way. Just a touch. And this is what we've come to. Okay, stop, stop, stop. Now scroll along that white line just so, ever so slowly. No, no, no, no. You're going off of it.

No, not the outside white line. The middle white line is where the text is. You can't even tell where that text is, can you? Huh? No. Here, let me see it. Hand it to me because I can see it on my screen. But I can't see it on the screen.

Here. Come around to my side, big boy, because you're going to see a lot of it here. Yeah, and see if you can read that. And, you know, it might come back to your head about what Jeff's label is called. I wouldn't have known where the text was either. This is erotically small. Yeah. Look at that.

Oh, tension? Yep, that's the last word of the label. go up strategy no yep strategy of tension strategy of tension is jeff jeff devise's label so jeff put this tape out i didn't know until after i bought it from the merch tables but he was laughing his ass off about how small that text was and i said all right i'm gonna i'm gonna play it on the show so so that's my paola got you what do you normally use this for jamie oh my god no that's fun this is very fun we gotta break out some what are some of your favorite things to look at um you know what i bought it for originally was to clean the needle

on my turntable you can see like all the dust and grime yeah that's what my friend who works at ortophone recommend that i buy one of those they're like 20 bucks on amazon what's ortophone ortophone is like a high-end um turntable cartridge company oh okay ortofon or whatever you think he's throwing those creed those limited edition fan club oh no they need that needle needs to be christmas version of higher pristine i'm surprised he doesn't buy a new needle every time he plays that record he does but he changes it with he puts the microscope on it the cheese well let me get out here real good and change this you wouldn't believe the grime that gets on those needles disgusting i believe it uh so what is uh what is this tape again this is a feast of the

epiphany i will say um when they played live it was mostly instrumental. The very last song had vocals, but on this tape, every song has vocals, which I'm not sure if I have, you know, I think just the live performance was just so good that I wanted the tape to be that. But I picked a really good track on it. I think you're going to like it. Oh, all right. Yeah. I dig this.

I dig the art. This looks like somebody kicked a TV, an old TV in the side like an old box tv that an old like a grandma would have as a piece of furniture with like pictures and somebody kicked it on the side and that's what every show looks like those fucked up colors everything the reds all off and stuff and she's like it's fine i can still see my programs it's a grandma i'm gonna get you a new tv no it's fine and in reality it's fine's fine. It's fine. What is she doing? She can't see it. Alright, Joby, you go now. Alright, you want me to go?

I just picked a couple things out of the mailbag, so I don't know what I got here. You're doing some blind picks out of the mail. Okay. I knew you were gonna pick that one. This one? Yeah, yeah. This one definitely looks good. Torture agenda. Actually, can we do something before? No, I'll save it. I'll save it i'll save it torture

agenda you know we got a black and white scary drawing two naked ladies some screaming faces looks like it was drawn you know goodbye you know like a a pen on their trapper not trapper keeper but they're like notebook or something school notebook yeah like you're in 10th grade in 10th grade yeah that looks looks like you got into some shit. You were a good kid in 9th grade, and then mom doesn't know what happened. Yeah. Yeah, now you're drawing that.

Now you're drawing this. Torture agenda. I just got you those notebooks. They have to last all year. Those notebooks have to last all year, Billy. You're putting your drawings on there. It's my art, mom. Billy?

Turn it down. Turn down the torture. So I don't know anything about them. No, because you just pulled that in the mail bag, right? Hand it over here. But it seems like it's a band. Brian, Adria, and V. That's who that is.

So I think, no, who did the drawings? Rory Olive. Art drawings? Rory Olive. Artwork by Rory Olive. Let me go to the Discogs. Rory Olive might need to see a therapist or something. Everybody should. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of resources these days. Yeah.

It looks like they're from Buffalo, New York. Ooh. It gets cold up there. Yeah, bills can't catch a break. This is, what label does that say it is? I don't know. I can't read it. Swimming Faith.

Get the microscope out. Swimming Faith number 23. It's not small enough for the microscope, but maybe I will get it out. Just for fun. Just because it's fun. And, Jamie, what'd you spend? $2,000 on that? $20.

You're right. Black metal, hardcore, and punk. What? I like all those things, kinda. Oh, my God. Imagine if one of them gets into Dungeon Synth, Joe B. You might just fucking shit your pants. You know, because you got metal on one side, you got punk on the other side, and then hardcore

is sort of a... Yeah. Yeah, so you kind of blend them all together. You know what? Real quick, I'm gonna throw in something on this label, too. Oh, what? Swimming Faith. I have something on Swimming Faith as well. Oh, you do? That I listen to from Besta Quadrada. Do you know that one? Here, check that one here check that out what that's on the

same label besta quadrata that's fun it's like hand-drawn right or is it yeah no it's not a font because the a's are different but the same that's what's hand-drawn little pro tip look for it when if you want to know if it's a font or hand-drawn, look for the same letter twice. See if it's a little variant. Yeah, there's some variation going on. This is the first four weeks it's called. This is Carol, John, Bailey, and Jean. They're also from Buffalo.

Did you have any of those people in yours? No. I think it's different people. I wonder if they know each other. What song are you going to play? Brian, Adria. I got the lyrics this is an edition of a hundred the name literally means square beast square beast so i think one of

them or something i don't know it sounds very dungeon and dragon it does so i'm thinking maybe this is uh just what joe b needed to round it all i think so i'm liking all this yeah so let's throw that on there i I really enjoyed that. I won't even say that I think the cover work is very vaginal. It's like frigging. Well, everything is phallic and vaginal. Yeah. Everything.

I know. Well, you brought this microscope, Jay. Do you want to read this letter real quick? Oh, yeah. You want Jamie to read it? Yeah. Jamie, read this letter real quick that we got in the mail and throw in some betting music and then so this isn't from matthew this is a different this is different while you're reading that can we turn the tape

deck on so we got this uh letter from the mailbag well let me find some betting music for you and it didn't come in the mailbag it just came regular mail i'm sure it was in a bag at some point it's from rutherford Wilkinson from New York City, our good friend Rutherford. To Tabs Out Headquarters, dear Tabs Out Cassette podcast, I'm writing you... I had to go order, I think... I'm writing you as a longtime listener and admirer

of your passionate and informative podcast, which gives clear and concise reviews of cassette tapes representative of the experimental underground persuasion. While I have no complaints over the format and intention of your podcast, I find that there is a lot more subject matter. Oh, wait, I was going to play this tape.

I totally forgot. I was going to play beauty parlor, king of love, beauty parlor, king of love on cigar tapes. This is Dino's theme. All right. Do I need to start over label from the no it's a label from the uk this is a c20 i believe all right so just to summarize they're saying we could be doing something else for you don't summarize you read the whole fucking letter

well i'm summarizing what i just read so i'm continuing on jam For example, this is just an example. Okay. For example, I would like to recommend that you rate and critique dogs. I'm not suggesting that you evaluate each individual dog, but rather the pictures that have been taken of the dogs. Turn this tape up. You could consider the shot, composition, lighting techniques, and interesting angles of the photos. On second thought, I would love to hear your commentary on the actual dogs themselves.

You could discuss their appearance, what you feel their personality might be like, what types of treats they would enjoy, and what they love to do in their free time. I might even be so bold as to recommend a rating system that you could grade each dog against. You could rate the dogs from 0 to 5 bones, with 0 being the lowest and five being the

highest best i trust that your podcast will be the will be perfect at ranking these incredible and loyal animals that have earned the much coveted title of man's best friend thank you for taking the time to read this letter i hope it finds you well and i assume responsibility for any typos and or grammatical errors i I've also enclosed three professional medium-resolution dog photos to get you started. Sincerely, Rutherford Wilkinson. So this tape came out in July of 2023. It's Xavier Boucherat.

And, no, we're not going to rate these dogs because Joe B already did it so many times. I'm not going to sit through it again and make him do it again three lovely pictures of dogs yeah all these dogs have died they all passed away it was murder suicide oh all these dogs are dead but we are we do have a new segment now where you send in a picture of your dog with your tape we and that guarantees we play your tape in the background while i review your dog why joe b reviews your dog and i review the tape and jamie reads the letter give us a little bit of information about your dog and your tape and then we kind of

go back and forth as jamie's were doing it joe b saying like oh this dog's got like an overbite that won't quit and i'm like oh this is like a c30 and they cut the j cards kind of fucked up and that's going to be the new segment i think that's going to give it kind of like when you spice up a marriage. Oh, yeah, yeah. A little role play. Yeah, I think we need to. And when we do it, I say I'm Jamie. Jamie says he's Joe, and Joe says he's me.

Oh, okay. And we've got a role play. And we've got a role play. Bring the cups out. And make sure you send medium resolution photos, by the way. Yeah, and don't. No low, not high. No high.

Like medium only all right Overrun the deep, slow drift away The hate leaves, I am all of them left Thank you. Strange world surrounds me now Haze burns away Individuation Lost and like a line Was peeled away Kaleidoscope rounding out The aching of a hard world Haze, hide and fall, them there And I'll run with each long drift away

The pain is right in front of me Thank you. Hey, it's hiding far and wide Yeah, don't let me go It's no different The pain we inside Of all of them His light and glory Thank you. I am not what you call a civilized man. I have done with society entirely for reasons which I alone have the right of appreciating. I do not therefore obey its laws, and I desire you never to allude to them before me again. The hills of night, the body of hearts of arrows That light the eyes of men, for they have been preached Will they ever decrease? No

This is The Dance Of A tomorrow Never Promised And Would So, now the promise is put in with a man And this weapon is musterized The magnitude, can you mobilize? What was the hope? I found, I'll hold it all

Choose to stand and beg What drives you and why I'm still alive I'm buried in this deep hole I'm scratched, I'm dead, I'm dead No one ever did it Did not say You would never Get a Head You would never Get a Head What do I Make of

I can't Tell Like a A Medal of Brute Again, I can't shut up like a A man of love proves Transcend the flood Station formed by a fight Broken lines linking lines

Temporary response as for what returns the sign Tracking each other's bragging Boundaries to poise unknown I tried to keep each other's back and I'm falling to points unknown I've trapped in the past When you're playing straight from the past Cause I've been a rodent of tension I've frightened out of way from 5pm We'll rise together Drop my ferocious death

Color my tension Made around by the heat Close to the state of a sweep Singing here goes my Head to take my first step Anointed by a strong award In vocation to advance The far-dwell I don't know. I'm just a bird, got a swish in her Hey, I feel something I can hear my ears

I can hear my ears I can feel something I am gonna burn it now That is fear, I don't come here I can feel something I am gonna show this state I'm gonna show this state I'm gonna show this state

I'm gonna show this state Stay here You gotta Shut this Stay here I ain't gonna worry I ain't gonna worry I ain't gonna worry No No No No Yeah, yeah, no choice, I just want to lose Now, now, no choice, I just want to lose Yeah, that was good. There's nothing last But it

The wasteland of my mind Tired of nothing Almost empty You can't I'm tired of nothing, almost empty You can't leave me again You're just not me, not again I'm growing scared I am lost, I am lost I can't lose I can't lose

I can't lose I can't lose I can't lose It's heavy But I'm young It's right I can't lose I can't lose I can't lose I can't lose I forgot my charger today, and this all stems from me forgetting my charger.

My computer went to sleep when we were recording, and then when it woke back up, it didn't recognize the thing. You know what? Maybe Mark's right. Maybe our podcast does suck. Maybe we don't deserve to be written about correctly in a book maybe you do say we're from connecticut just so ever okay well uh that was a beauty parlor king of love on cigar tapes and then we played you know what jamie you do it all right well we're doing it we're doing it out

of order oh no oh jamie stop, stop. You do it. Okay. That was Feast of the Epiphany. Jamie. Didn't we start with Feast of the blah, blah, blah? No, we were playing the Beauty Parlor. Oh, the Beauty Parlor. Okay. That was in the background. I'm going to explain why I'm furious in a moment.

Okay. I'm muting those guys. You suck. And we're back. No, don't move them just because they're laughing at you. We're back. Beauty Parlor. King of Love because they're laughing at you. We're back. Beauty Parlor, King of Love, Feast of the Epiphany, Significance. Unlimited salad.

And then two on Swimming Faith, Torture Agenda, and Besta Quadrata. So just so everyone knows, Jamie spent an hour setting up all the audio earlier. And he has fucked up eight times so far. We have interviewed Mark masters twice now and have yet to the first time we did it mark i had he was laughing every i was saying all this stuff you were hot i was so hot i was talking about how he fucked up in the book and i was like yo this book was written by mark masters i'd hate to see the book written by Mark Bachelors or Mark Associates. And everyone's like, what?

This guy's on fire. And then Jamie's like, wait a minute. I spilled Slurpees on my laptop again. I'm like, Jamie. Jamie. So we haven't been... Are you recording now? It is recording and the lines and the levels look great.

Move the mouse. Move the mouse. It's not going to go to sleep. My battery, I only have 36 minutes left on my charge. Oh, my God. It's going to be a shorter episode today. This is awful. Mark Masters.

Do you really only have 36 minutes? Yeah. How'd it go from four hours earlier? Maybe because the Zoom call is going right now. Okay. So that might be taking up more battery. Okay. Mark Masters is here.

Mark Masters, you've written a book called High Bias, The Distorted History of the Cassette Tape. Thank you for joining us. You're welcome. So you live in Arizona right now, and there's a weird time zone thing that like... What's up with that? Oh, my goodness gracious so you um so i literally don't know how to approach this should we call dave no i i think jamie i think you need to ask mark some questions

about his book um so mark uh you started writing this book about seven years ago or so? That's about six or seven. When Dave Doyen was still on the show. He was, yeah. And that's the version of the show that's represented in the book, sadly. And when we all lived in Connecticut. Right, exactly. It says, I also made a funny joke about that.

It says in the book that yeah but you've written this book um it goes over what the technical issue like the uh the technical aspects of the cassette and uh cassette players the history of the cassette itself and then you dive into different kind of tape trading scenes and stuff like that yeah yeah so the first chapter is all about about how the technology came to be. So sort of from magnetic tape all the way up to the actual cassette itself. And then

through the Walkman and the Boombox and sort of all the ways that the technology around it affected it and affected people who used it and stuff. And then from then on, it's basically mostly about music from there. So like scenes and genres that used hip-hop and go, go and indie rock and stuff that use tapes a lot to spread music around.

Got chapter on the cassette underground from the eighties. There's a chapter on bootlegging and tape trading, live shows, mixtape chapter. There's chapter on sort of the international tape scene and how many people use tapes to get music around that wasn't getting around otherwise in other countries that aren't called America. And then there's some stuff about recent tape things

like the Tabs Out Cassette podcast. That's right. Forgive my ignorance on this question. Was Lou Otten still alive when you wrote this book? He was. He in after i'd finished writing it but obviously before it came out did you talk to him i didn't unfortunately so i don't know if you've ever seen that uh cassette a documentary mixtape movie i did i actually just watched that not that long ago yeah he's and he's in it he's great in that and so i got in touch

with the director and he put me in touch with his family but by the time i got in touch with him he was pretty much in the last you know days of his life like he couldn't really communicate much anymore so unfortunately i wasn't able to talk to him directly but i did get some some outtakes from that movie and use some quotes that weren't actually in the film itself so that was kind of cool oh cool my guy named Zach Taylor. Nice. Was there anyone that you talked to that you just found it like... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is really hard to get back into this. Matty, you got any questions?

You know, as a matter of fact, I do. It's about tapes and tape culture. And we're going to go deep into the recesses of Mark's mind here. Mark, way back in the days when you were a zine writer and you were faxing in your top ten of the year, your top ten of 1990, you put Royal Trucks, Twin Infinitives,

and New York Eye and Ear Control on the list. And I'm curious, what do you think 30 years on about these albums? Do they hold up? Are they premiere cassette albums? How do you have those cassettes? Well, this one showed up on eBay and then this is the

reissue tape they did in 2014. Oh, right. Cool, yeah. Great stuff. Yeah, no, I love both of those records. That's funny that you... What, did I tweet that at some point? How did you know that? Oh, you did. And I kept it in waiting for this moment. That's awesome.

Yeah. I still love both of those records. I mean, twin infinitives, especially like I was actually talking to this about this with a friend of mine just the other day, we kind of, when that came out,

we were like, okay, this is the entirety of music is going to be this now. Unfortunately it wasn't, but that's what we were hoping. Yeah. And New York, Ion Ear control is awesome too. Yeah. I mean, it's there's but that's what we were hoping. And New York Eye and Ear Control is awesome, too.

There's Dust Devil's track on there that's my favorite. That was the big one. I think Dust Devil's track is the best one on there by a bleep. Yeah, they were a great band. I actually got to see them once. Their guitarist wore a guitar strap that went around his waist. Nothing over his shoulder. I always remember them.

That's awesome music i mean that was one of the best times your music was right around then doesn't like steve albini have like a setup like that like a belt buckle type thing that sounds right on his guitar i think i've seen pictures of him doing that yeah that's a good setup if you can get it anybody ever try to do like suspenders i feel like that's like the most natural thing like a guitar instead of a guitar strap to just have two have suspenders and just have the guitar because you have it when you wanted that connected on both sides anyway right yeah do you always have this idea that the two two guitarists in a band should have really long straps and the strap of one guitar should go on the other person's shoulder vice versa that's not in the book though

is there anything like now that the book is done is there anyone that you're like oh fuck why didn't i talk to them not particularly for anything i covered the one thing i kind of regret is i never really figured out a way to get into new age tapes i just couldn't really find anybody who knew a ton about those i talked to greg davis a little, but no one seemed to have much to say about why tapes for them as opposed to anything else. I mean, I guess it's pretty obvious it was cheapest way to make tapes back in those days, but cheapest way to put music out was to make tapes for the new age people. But I just wasn't able to find anybody who was kind of expert in that kind of thing or could give me any insight as to why that was such a tape culture too.

And I guess then the downside of that is if you do find the expert on new age cassettes you got to talk to the expert on new age cassettes that's going to be pretty fucking tough that's ray lynch or or like wynton hill guys even just go yeah no yeah actually i wasn't able to dig into any of that i got okay i got a question here because on twitter for about a year, 18 or so months, you had a great thing running called You Can Only Pick One. And at the time, you were digging your ass through some eBay lots. And as somebody that likes to buy cassettes on eBay, I knew several of those lots intimately that you were looking at.

And probably in a case, I bought one or two of those lots. But I'm curious about that. What role did that play at all in the tapes here or in any research you were doing? Were you looking at that in kind of a sociological or archival way? Yeah, I mean, I guess I kind of was. I wasn't specifically doing it for the book at the time.

It was just kind of like a way to keep talking about tapes a lot on Twitter. But yeah, I mean, I have to admit, some of the ones that I found definitely sort of made me think more about what was happening at those times and why people would have a collection of these different cassettes together, especially like the hip-hop collections,

because it was such a big deal in hip-hop and to find that people have so many tapes of that still has kind of reinforced a lot of what I found out about hip-hop tapes and people who made them and traded them and stuff. All right. Mark, can you please can we Mark, can you real quick, just for the record, can you say that I did a good job and this would have been a better interview, but Jamie messed up? Can you please just say that, please? Yes. Do you agree? And this part's not even a joke do you agree yes well yeah we we talked about a lot of good stuff off that no one's gonna hear and that's okay

yeah that's that's the way life goes yeah and um real quick uh just to clear up any of the um before we go can you like share your screen the thing I emailed you will you really quick can you for the audio version of the book when you fix any mistakes about tabs out there's some stuff I believe it's on page 164 I don't know I didn't really but will you just read this really quick

just so we can get it we can get a clean version and then you can plug it in to the when you do the audiobook version. Sure. Jamie's going to share his screen right now. Okay, okay. It's coming up, and we'll just grab this really quickly.

Just give us a clean one of it. Can you see it? All right, go ahead. Give it a read. Okay, so you ready? Yeah, go ahead. We're rolling? Okay.

The Tabs Out podcast is recorded at Haley's Delaware home, just miles from the infamous Biden crime family. The hum of Hunter Biden's laptop can almost be heard in the background of each episode as the gang pick a stack of tapes to play then engage in CRT or cassette-related talk, a symptom of what I call the woke mind virus.

Titles that don't make it onto the program often get reviewed on the Tabs Out website by Maddie, Maddie, or their cassette-obsessed comrades, i.e. Maddie. What started as a chance to talk about music with pals has become Haley's way to stay in touch with music, much like how the results of a fake election became my chance to participate in the peaceful events of January 6th. All right, Mark Masters, thanks so much for putting that down for us. And I would just like to say that the opinion shared on the Tabs.Cassette podcast do not necessarily

reflect us at all, whatever Mark said there. But yeah, thanks so much. You should check out my January 6th podcast if you have a chance. It's only on the deep, dark web. When does high bias

the distorted history and distorted is right, you got so When does High Bias, the distorted history, and distorted is right. You got so much shit about me wrong. The distorted history of the cassette tape, when does it officially, is it available now? Can you get it now? You can actually. It's technically out October 3rd,

but everybody's been sending it out. Amazon, Bookshop, all those places. And you can get it from my band camp, which is highbiasbook.bandcamp.com. Perfect. You can get it right now. And when you do that, you get the tape accompanies it you get you can as well order the tape yeah that's perfect awesome is there a piece from timbal tapes on there is scott on that is

scott is it's actually something that he did himself with some friends yeah hell yeah i talked to scott just about a week ago and he mentioned the book and all the labels which again, what are those labels that are covered in the latest section here? Okay, so on the tape itself, we've got stuff from Astral Tapes, Already Dead, Constellation Tatsu, Crash Symbols, Eiderdown, Forty Wolf Fruit, Geographic North, Housu Mountain,

Moonglyph, Null Zone, Orange Milk, and Temple Tapes, all on that tape. Baker's doesn't. Actually, no, that's just 12, but that's right. And I got to say at the time of this recording, at the time of this recording, one remaining, what is it about those 12 labels of the book and cassette bundle?

One remaining really say that I got more than that. So I'll, I'll Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark. What's up? I'm trying to build.

I'm trying to, what are you doing? One remaining. So hurry up, get over to bank camp right now and snatch to. What are you doing? One remaining. So hurry up. Get over to Bandcamp right now and snatch up that. That's right. That's right. One remaining.

And then it's completely gone. It's going to be a collector's edition. Oh, yeah. Well, I better buy it. Sorry, I'm getting out the visa. We take crypto, too. Oh, very nice. All right, Mark.

Thanks a lot. Do you want to pick up the next tape that we play? Sure, what are we playing? Here, hold up these three tapes to the camera. These are my three tapes that I have left here. Pick one of these tapes. Which one do you want to hear? Okay.

Yeah, definitely Burning Plastic Blues Band. That rules. Let's hear that. Burning Plastic Blues Band. All right, that's what we're going to go into next. All right. All right, this call is about the end. Before Jamie fucks this up or his, there's actually,

there's actually some, like a hamburger smell coming out of his laptop. So we got to shut this thing off. You know, when it rains, it pours. I'm really, really sorry.

I apologize. It won't happen again. All right. Thanks guys. Thanks for, I've been a Dave Doyen. I'm Dave Doyen. Dave Doyen.

Yeah. I just can't, I can't Duane. Dave Duane, everybody. I just can't. I can't work computers. How do they work? All right. Thank you, Mark. All right. Hang on.

Thanks, guys. All right. We'll go into this. I'm going to play. I got this. Burning Plastic Blues Band Spiritual Latency Cassette Tape on Metaphysical Barbecue. You ever been to a Metaphysical Barbecue, Jamie? Get the Metaphysical Grill going.

Not lately. I got the Metaphysical Beyond Burgers the other day, the big eight pack. Oh. You get those going. This is Metaphysical Barbecue number seven. Dial up that label on Bandcamp. See what they are. And are you recording this correctly?

I am recording it. The level seems a little bit lower. It seems weird when i sound when i sound checked it it seemed okay i think we're just gonna have to make do because yeah if there's any more issues i might cry i want to say i've been having i do i have been having a fun time this episode but right now i can tell it sounds like shit it's all from miss it's all from forgetting a charger i can tell your computer smells like a hamburger smell is coming out of it. The audio, my voice sounds like an echo is on it. I'll tell you what, pretty soon, one of these laptops, I'm leaving here,

and it's just going to stay here. And it's going to stay set up, and then we don't have to worry about it anymore. Metaphysical BBQ on Discogs only has that one release. Are they on Bandcamp? Maybe this isn't a 7, it's a one. No, that's a seven. Unless it's like BBQ and barbecue spelled out and people are using two different labels.

People make all kinds of follies on Discogs. You lost so much of that interview. And I was going to be dropping every once in a while, constantly, I was going to be like, Oh, hi, Mark. Oh, hi, Mark. Oh, hi, Mark. Oh, hi, Mark. What a story, Mark.

You know, we can always, that footage is recorded. It's just noisy and it's just us and the other guys are really quiet. That sounds so DIY and experimental, though. We could put that on for our Patreon supporters. It makes me wonder if I could could if we could get away with saying it's more experimental more like we tried to do it we dubbed it to tape we did it was a low bias this was kind of i was kind of i was watching the elephant six recording company documentary last night and they kind of talked about like the four track recordings and the experimental

kind of layering uh-huh and like maybe i can say some bullshit like that and say that's why the podcast sounds like shit it's been we all it's not because your dumb hamburger laptop doesn't have a chart the cords made out of fucking rope and you brought fucking brought this you remembered to bring this this microscope this two thousand dollar dick microscope that you have all right let me look up who Plastic Blues Band is because I actually don't know. Burning Plastic Blues. Burning Plastic Blues.

You know how I know them? They were in the high in the rankings in last year's top 200. They're ranked pretty high, and I bought the tape. I bought the tape that came out before. Let's see what that's called. It's really good.

This one came out in 2021 peculiar refractions in the fullness of time no this came out the the one i just said on unifactor came out 2022 so that was on the tabs out top 10 let me look that up top 10 or top 200 sorry 2022 oh wait i'm looking at a different one i'm sorry spiritual latency came out in 2023 august 4th they were number 66 in the list for last year wow but you know what i did all the ones that maddie wrote little blurbs about yeah i checked them out oh look at that and then i bought a few tapes that i liked and that's one of the ones i like yeah well i set this one aside obviously because i listened to it and liked it yeah jamie i read the echo when my headphones is so like i can't even well i'll say after after we do this segment we're going to listen back and make sure everything's

recording nicely and then we'll fix all that but if it doesn't what if i cry i might cry i might cry um i don't even know where joe went did he just go home? Joe left. Joe quit. Joe is our new Dave, and he quit. This looks like a Cleveland, Ohio person. They're holding a guitar in the picture that they're on their band camp. So they're probably playing one, too, on the tape. I don't remember, but I'm excited to remind myself by listening to it. Some sort of piano on the cover. That's nice.

It's a little drawing. It's a very cool little tape. Do you want to pick one? And then I don't know if we want to get Joe. Yeah. I got this tape by, and with all the hubbub, I didn't get a really chance to look up who this person was, but this is Quintellium on fm oral tapes um the

tape's called moon waves moon waves moon waves all one word but sounds new age check this out it is a little new agey the track that i'm going to play is moon waves also but with a space so it's like um it's like a verb like the moon waves oh the title of the tape is moon waves like a noun kind of like the uh remember the old mcdonald's mascot mac tonight no his head was a moon okay and he would the statue he'd be waving okay you remember what i'm talking about i gotta look it up i probably do if i saw it but i can't believe you don't remember mac tonight mac tonight i don't think he was very popular he was you know it wasn't like a ronald yeah he was like a moon that wore a tuxedo his head was the moon wow i do remember that it looks he almost looks a little bit like max headroom with those sunglasses and with the yeah so we you think if he made a tape you think it would sound like this it might a little bit

hold on let me say it's not wacky it's um It's a little bit new agey and like kind of crowd, not crowd, Cosmiche. You can't say that. Joe B. Yeah, you can't say crowd rock. Joe B., if Mac Tonight from McDonald's made a tape, what do you think it would sound like? Vaporwave. Yeah. So I don't know why I was even thinking otherwise.

I don't even want to say crowd rock because it's not like a band. It's more like Berlin School. Ooh, Berlin School. Yeah, Berlin School. Berlin School. Berlin School. Berlin. Okay. Jamie, please. more like uh berlin school oh berlin school berlin berlin school berlin berlin okay but yeah jamie this takes um quintellium on fm rl i like that label yeah yeah you said it's not wacky they uh

they tend to to be wacky they tend to veer that way yeah this one's very very cool i like this artwork too it looks like an like um you know what it makes me think of it makes me think of the show lost let me see oh it's like one day they find this and they're like jack we gotta play this tape we gotta play this tape jack okay what no but jack what's on side b i did not know boone man i've beenone Where's the microscope I gotta see what release number this is So this artist is

Michael McWay from Las Vegas Vegas boy So he's probably getting wild Out there Shooting machine guns in the desert Yeah man That's cool he's out there just doing like Cocaine off of a camel.

Cocaine, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. You want to tell your drug story from last night? I don't want to tell my drug story. Jamie doesn't like that stuff. Even just telling him earlier, I could see him sweating. Well, now it sounds weird. Now it sounds like you were involved in something weird.

No. Well, I was weird. Yeah, but it sounds like you were bad. I wasn't involved. Yeah. No. Okay. You just want to leave it hanging like you were like i wasn't involved no yeah no okay you would just

want to leave it hanging like that yeah there was like if there was a 10 or 15 minute period of your life where you could have gone to jail yeah yeah i could have went to jail i don't know oh christ jamie my life is full of 10 to 15 minute periods where i could go to jail are you kidding me constantly i've walked that line that was me back in the napster days boys oh i bet you were a downloading bad boy i bet you had multiple computers going. You must have. I can't believe you ever downloaded anything illegally. You had good internet.

I was downloading Wesley Willis. Now you have Suck a Camel Dick. It's like, oh, you are a bad boy. Sweating. Sweating. He's sweating. Watching that bar. I'm going to come in, lick my dog's ass.

Suck a hyena's asshole. Rock and roll McDonald's. Okay, so you're going to play that? Are we back? I'm playing the tape. I feel like I picked one already, right? You picked one already? I guess Mark Masters picked one.

Oh, okay. Did my joke, which ones of my jokes got in and didn't get in? There's so many. Remember, it's all saved, so you could re-record it. So even I could record their reactions? Put some laugh track in there.

Okay, I'll cook. Nobody will ever know. I'll cook. I'll cook with that. All right. Am I playing a tape? Yeah, you want to play one? I'll pick another one from the mailbag, but one I am familiar with here.

We got some Chinese cigarettes. Oh, yeah. This is on. There it is. I was going to say that. You love this label. I do love with here. We got some Chinese cigarettes. Oh, yeah. 100% bootleg. There it is. I was going to say that. You love this label. I do love this label. Chinese Cigarettes 700.

That's not the release number. No, no. I think that's just the name of the tape is 700. Okay. I thought you were trying to say this is the 100% bootleg cassette tape company's 700th release. I don't think so. Which isn't like that crazy

that's a lot for a little yeah yeah but there's a label like this when you get into the labels that are putting out like beat driven tapes yeah that's what's that a lot of stuff and they have the one person who does the label has five projects I believe is yeah what's going on here they record like a tape that's like the same beat for eight minutes and it it gets kind of washy, and they're like, oh, this one's called Drywall Carpenter, and they kind of put it out. All right, well, that's what I want to play. Hand it over.

18 out of 20. 18 out of 20? Yeah. That's your rating of this? Yeah, that's my trophy's rating. So you're not just writing dogs anymore. No, I'm not just writing dogs. Which, by the way, we need to record that part again, too.

I know that. You know that? That's why I went downstairs. And I kind of think maybe we should make Jamie record it alone. Yeah. We should make him do the whole thing alone. We leave the room. I agree.

Wow, they wrote right on the front. I know. I don't like that. I hate that. That must drive you insane. I'm just gonna throw it away after oh man oh yeah put your shirt back on you look so mad well i get hot when i get mad i know oh you definitely need the fan on early because i was getting hot from that well i know you are i can see you sweating between my drug story and uh and your technical failures yeah

how did you when when you told him the story, did he dial 911? Yeah, he had it ready. I bet you that he recorded it. He had his pepper spray. I bet you that he recorded it just fine. He was like, I need this for evidence. I finally got it. I finally got him. Dead to rights, boys.

I got him. Okay, I like this textured Noroco case. Do you guys like when i first met you like 10 years ago you one of your jokes was that you would you said i was like an undercover cop oh uh i feel like i said that like a week ago yeah he's playing the long game still this cup and no i know it was a big deal when we first met for you but, I've forgotten all about it. Yeah. Jamie? All right, let's get into these tapes before Jamie.

Joe, you weren't here, but there's a hamburger smell coming out of his laptop. And I think it's slowly turning into a patty melt. Oh, my gosh. All right, let's do it. A window popped up. It 16% to patty melt. I don't know what that means. And Russian dressing came out the side. Oh, I don't like Russian dressing. Thank you. Thank you. so The The Thank you. I'm sorry. Thank you. The Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. so so so so Thank you. I can't sleep tonight in New York I can't wanna make you

sense it too I don't wanna make you sense it too I'm not alone in my heart I'm so sad I'm not alone I'm so sad I'm not alone I like this new generation of music. Where did you record this? Burning Plastic Blues. I like this new generation of music. Mother of God, it's all toilet sounds.

Burning Plastic Blues Band. Jamie's been doing such a bad job today. Quintelli, we'll see about that. When the episode comes out it might be the best episode ever wake me up chinese cigarettes he wishes chinese cigarettes i don't smoke them myself no no it's it it is kind of striking when you see a person smoking a cigarette and they're like younger than 45 and it's like when did you start smoking cigarettes yeah it's like seeing somebody our age smoke like a cigar or like a pipe or yeah it's like seeing someone in like their 20s use like a dos prompt use a dos you know and they're just like and it's like what are they doing what

are you doing out there vape kid vape what are you doing i like doing a doom.exe yeah oh no no no don't use any of those did you say all the tapes that we played i did he did are you recording this yes that waveform looks lovely are you rolling i'm rolling i want you to pick your tape out and while you're doing that i want joe b to open up this package because i want him to try to get into it and you to get no tools oh no tools start the clock okay you get no tools i'll see how long it takes to get into it. To get no tools, start the clock. You get no tools. I want to see how long it takes to get in there. Starting now? I can start?

You can start now. Okay, all right. And I want to see what it feels like. I want to see what you think it feels like inside of it. No tools. All right, Jamie, what do you got? Is it a race or anything? Have you opened this before?

I can't help. I can't answer any questions. All right, I forget if it was last episode or two episodes ago, but we discussed idemtheftable from Maine. All right. I forget if it was last episode or two episodes ago, but we discussed Id M. Theftable from Maine. We did. And I mentioned that... That looks like a tough package to pick. He had hidden some tapes in a rest stop in Maine.

Yes. And that I was going to go on vacation to try to find the tape. And I wanted you to get me one. Yeah. And Mike wanted me to get him one. And you did. It looks like you brought me one.

Hardest thing I've ever done in my life. So, what happened was we get there we drive to the rest stop it's in kiddery maine it's the first rest stop that you get to as you cross over from new hampshire into maine how was it up there how was the weather it was a little too hot a little too hot we like an asshole yeah a little too hot for me you just used a tool just to get me started all right go a little too hot so we get there it It's not like one of the New Jersey Turnpike rest stops where it's huge and they got Roy Rogers and

McDonald's and Starbucks. But it's a smaller one. It's actually two separate buildings. Unlimited salad. So there's a little shed that's just for vending machines. And I recognized it right away. Okay. So of course my daughter... From what? Like the Instagram post of this

cassette tape? Yeah. So my four-year-old, of course, she's confused. She course, my daughter... From what? Like the Instagram post of this cassette tape? So my four-year-old, of course, she's confused. She's like, why are we here? Why are we at this shed? And so she wants

to get out to and come with me. And I can't show it to you. Oh, now I'm cooking. Hey, Jamie, that wouldn't happen. So it's me and my four-year-old. We're walking into this building

and of course as we walk into this building five other people walk in so now I'm looking like an idiot trying to look under vending machines and I'm hopping up and looking above the vending machines and at some point I just stop and I'm like okay I'm gonna buy her

I'm gonna buy my daughter some fruit snacks out of the machine. So I blend in a little bit. I'm going to buy some fruit snacks. So you're there not buying anything. You're kind of just looking around the machine. And then five people walk in. And it's not a big room.

No, it's not big. So they're probably like... And then one lady was having trouble with her credit card. She's like, is it working for you? And you're like, I'm not using the machine. I was like, yeah, yeah. So I buy my daughter fruit snacks. We kind of hang out a little bit and then those people leave and then we got we got the room all to ourselves again so i'm on my hands and knees

i'm going back against the walls i'm looking reaching under machines it's not there man there's no tapes there did you have your flashlight app? I forget. There was enough light in there. And actually, the machines are kind of raised up enough where there's probably three inches of clearance underneath. So you can actually see under them pretty well. And Scott was right. It is dirty under those machines. They're very dirty.

You should clean it out while you're there. I leave empty-handed. I'm a little upset. I went all the way there. All the tapes were gone. Actually, the sign wasn't even on the wall anymore the sign that's on the cover of this tape says do not touch the thermostat or breaker for the heat

the candy keeps melting so I message Scott and I say well hold on maybe you were at the wrong rest stop you're saying was the thermostat there? Yes. Jamie's like, the thermostat wasn't even there. The thermostat there.

And actually, I could see where the sign was hung. It was discolored where the sign was hung. Wow. Did you take a picture? I took a picture just of me and my daughter. Did you take a picture where it was discolored? No. With your hand on the thermostat, like the hands on the thermostat on the cover?

I should have. I would have. Yeah, I know. Sorry. I get flustered, man. You saw me today. I get flustered. I don't do well under pressure.

No, you did really poorly in that situation. So I leave. I email Scott, and I say, hey, here's a picture. Because he says he'll send you a digital version. Jamie, don't get distracted by Joe. He's like that dumb game on Christmas joke so I messaged him I said okay I guess we can get the digital version and then about an hour later I said

I stood up you thought about it for a while I said you know what I'm not going to stand for this this is bullshit I came all the way there I'm going to get a tape stand up like you stood up I want to see you stand up.

Like you were like, no. So I emailed Scott. Yeah. And I said, listen. I say, listen here, Scott. I drove all the way to Kittery, Maine for one of these tapes. Yeah. Damn it.

I'm not leaving without a tape. I'm so fucking close. If you think I'm leaving without a tape, you're barking up the wrong tree. said i'll do this for you i'll send you the money whatever you need i'll send you and then he finally agreed he cowered in fear and he agreed he said okay send me four bucks for postage i'll i'll send you a tape i said i'm gonna play it on the podcast is that okay and then he said yep that's okay he said, somebody already recorded a full podcast just about this tape. And so we're not the first to even put it in the digital sphere. So anyway, here's the tape.

It is, it almost reminds me of like Lucier's like, you know, what's their... I'm sitting in a room. It reminds me a little bit of that because it's a lot of like hums and drones and buzzing sounds from rooms. Rooms. And it starts off with him doing a little ditty about like... I don't know. I don't remember what it is,

but he goes like, Oh, I'm in the kiddery rest stop. I'm all alone in the kiddery rest stop. So it starts off with that and then it's just a bunch of drones Sounds conceptual What I find really exciting about this tape Is the catalog number

It's called Mang Secret number 10 So that means there is Nine secret tapes before this one I wonder what they are Me too Do you think they're all this or do you think it's just like When someone asks for a one-off thing? It's a secret.

No, I think he's done a bunch of these. I see it. He's getting rid of... And Joe has got down to the exoskeleton of the baggage. And we're so proud of him. Here at Tabs Out, we try to be environmentally conscious conscious this person clearly was not

okay so we'll play that how do you say idm theftable it's id like id and id and what idm theftable yep idm healthy meals and snacks not idm oh my god i'll never figure it out oh wow joe but you're really in there. All right. Oh, I got all the tape off. So now it's like a foam. I was wondering if that was cotton in there. Oh, you were hoping for a cotton. Oh my God, there's more tape.

It looks like there's more. Wow. Is it art? I don't think there's going to be any tapes inside of that once you get into it. Okay, so I guess I'll pick a tape since this is still going. You got strong hands, Joe. I'm going to go. We got this tape. I don't even there's going to be any tapes inside of that once you get into it. Okay, so I guess I'll pick a tape since this is still going. You got strong hands, Joe. I'm going to go. We got this tape.

I don't even know what it is. I feel like I listened to it for a little bit, but it's from Dr. Slimer. Dr. Slimer. Dr. Slimer. Hey, everybody. It's Dr. Slimer. Slimer Waska is the name of the tape. I think that guy works with my weed doctor.

Yeah, Dr. Slimer is definitely... He works at the spot next to the dispensary. Yeah, that's how you get your cards. He's like... I just had a five-minute phone call with Dr. Slimer. Yeah, Dr. Slimer calls up and is like, Hey, it's Dr. Slimer. It's Dr. Slimer, so are you still smoking the weed

to help you with your long toenails? Does he give you some ecto-cooler when you're in the office? No, because he doesn't want to make it. He tried that, and he got a cease and desist from Harold Ramis' estate. That's thick paper you've got to get through there. Did you get to the tapes? Kinda.

There's more foam involved. So I don't know what this... This looks like maybe a... Was that a CD or is that a tape? That's a CD. Oh, concrete color paint. Isn't that a Peter Criss? I think this is a German Army package.

From Kiss? Yeah, Peter Criss. Yeah. So this is like a... They're taped inside or... Very psychedelic, weird-looking artwork. Slimer from Ghostbusters-based. Here's a German Army 3-inch CD-R.

It's an ecto-cooler-colored shell. Slimer is melting on the cover. So Slimer Waska, yeah, I believe it's a Portland artist. What label? It's probably self-released. I can't imagine a label's putting their time into this. But I'm going to enjoy it. Joby, you in there yet?

Wow. I already have this one. Well, I'm sorry I did all this work, Jamie. Oh, yeah, Jay. What a flex. Time to have sex. Oh, man. All right, so I'm going to go into Dr. Slimer.

I feel like it might be... Do you think it would be easy or hard to to go into Dr. Slimer. I feel like it might be... Do you think it would be easy or hard to find information about Dr. Slimer by Googling that? All this packaging, this one's broke. That's amazing. I was right about the Portland thing. Oh, yeah, this guy is definitely... Oh, he's covered in slime.

Okay, I gotta go. You are, yeah, you are just... Turn that fan back on. Turn the fan back on. No, I'm just joking. Okay, limited edition. It that fan back on. Turn the fan back on. I'm just joking. Okay, limited edition. It says limited edition run of 50 unless somehow there's unexpected demand. Yeah, I wouldn't count on that.

50 is probably good on this. You got 50 on this. 50 on this is tight. Dr. Slimer. Dr. Slimer, yeah. All right, and the last thing I want to say about this is just Dr. Slimer. Paging Dr. Slimer. And then we can move on to Je b's last tape clean all that up

oh okay do you want to play anything that came out of that package sure or no do you should you just throw them away now yeah what do you um let's see here it's a german army package i see a what's an already dead comp on the top is that brand number 400 number 400 we'll play we'll play a little something from that is it new and make sure it's not german army oh yeah well it's not gonna be german we're gonna play the first track off the a side which is problems that fix themselves yeah okay i know who that is right is this not out yet i'm not seeing it on the bandcamp oh this is uh yeah this is an exclusive oh my god it's a big deal i might want I want to play the B-side, Porridge Fest.

I do like their stuff. Porridge Fest. Porridge Fest. The whole thing. All right. Let me take a look at it. Who else is on this? A lot of people.

I don't know anybody. Already dead, I believe, collectively. Cop Funeral. Who's Cop Funeral? I think Cop Funeral. Josh Makala. Is that one of the people? Makala.

And I think, are they in Cop Funeral and they run already dead? Oh, maybe. I got to look up. You're right. It is a few people that do it. people and i think are they in cop funeral and they run already dead oh maybe i gotta look up you're right it is a few people that do it chris and tabby that's the german army uh associate it oh you're in hell is on this oh you're in hell you're in hell that's funny i like that i'm gonna text that later don't text that german army is also on this so that's two projects it Oh, not Macula. It's a different Josh. Joshua Tavia. Germ class, also German related, is on this.

We're looking at three, and I want to say possibly cop funeral might be German army related. I think that's already dead related. Is that already dead related? Well, there are at least three, possibly four. Wow, then you're looking at Rat Punch, BBJR, Jackson Van Horn, three possibly four wow then you're looking at rat punch bbjr jackson van horn bad oh bad trips friend of the show bad trips cop funeral is joshua tabia okay and problems have fixed themselves

itch princess we've played before before i'm digging this art for some reason it looks like an old uh oh wait this isn't new i've seen this before this is old right i'm looking it up now what's it called is the honk if you're already dead beep beep beep this came out in 2022 all right so we'll play something off that the first thing off that yeah and what is the first thing off that problem something problems that fix themselves nbc01. All right. All right. All right, Jamie, did you fucking record any of this? We hope so.

We hope so. And then after all this, like before it sends to you, I'll lose all the files. All right. Because keep in mind, we got episode 200 coming up and we want to,

in like half a year. Are you going to be ready? Maybe we'll have Dave do that one. All right, Joby, I want you to bring all that trash home, okay? Yeah. All right, send us pictures of your dogs.

Thanks to Tim Thornton for the opening sound clip. Thanks to Mark Masters, Ryan Mesteller, Maddie McPherson. For Jamie and Joe B., I'm Mike. Hi. Hi. I'm alone Let the kiddery rest up again

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