Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Episode #194 | 1.2.24

Episode Date: January 2, 2024

Mike, Joe, Jamie, Matty, and Ryan tweak the Top 200 Tapes of 2023. Guest callers include Angel Marcloid and Lexie Mountain. Artists featured include: Staraya Derevnya, Tiger Village, Captain / Magill / Wood, K/S/R + Wind Tide, Cop Funeral, Fire-Toolz, Mukqs, En Attendant Ana, Endless Fog, Lexie Mountain, Embarker, Dustin Wong, b.michaael, V/A from FTAM-100, Cunningham/Shiroishi/Ackerley/Smith, Ryley Walker & Jeff Tobias, Nyokabi Kariũki, hyphyskazerbox, Clang Quartet, Heejin Jang, Mattie Barbier, Amy Cutler, and V/A from Synthetic Bird Music

we are here today to peacefully exercise our First Amendment right. Tabs out. Cassette Podcast episode number... Help me out with the episode number, Jamie. 194. 194. Wow. Every day we get a little bit older, a little bit bigger. Not just 194. It's not just the number of the episode it's it's it's a special episode because it's it's a business episode we put on our business suits we

take off our like it's our tax episode it's it's not taxes it's more important than taxes i keep joe biden out of this one um it's not breaking the law you're it's more of like we take off of our little you know the um the clothes that the guy in acdc wears yeah the school school boy outfit not him the the kilt yeah not the kilt the drummer what's the drummer wear oh i don't know whatever the drum where we take off those clothes no we take off our little school school boy uniforms that we play in because then we have a good time i'm not allowed to play in my school boy uniform no well we take off our jams our i remember jams uh-huh it was the top the tops match the shorts oh no i couldn't afford those

we take those off and we put on our business clothes because it's the end of the shorts oh no i couldn't afford those we take those off and we put on our business clothes because it's the end of the year and it's time to do the list oh yeah it's time to come make sure we let everyone know you did a good job you did a bad job you made good tapes you did bad tapes i'm a bad list now we have the 200 worst cassettes and we have the 200 best cassettes. We do make the 200 worst cassette list and we keep it private. We flush it down the toilet when we're done with it.

And we keep that one private. We put it in the toilet bowl. But the 200 best cassettes, people get thirsty for it and they want to see it. People love saying, oh, am I on the list? did you put my tape on the list did you put my suck did you put my tape on the list you suck wake me up

where did you record this wake me wait wait what number am i last year i was 37 i wouldn't be on the list so we make the list um of all the tapes and we wait to the end of the year not like these other clown ass sites jamie what are the other sites that make the list I don't know Pitchfork and they've who else I have no idea who else where's Maddie yeah I see Ryan hey hold on I didn't introduce

anyone yet shut up Jamie please all these other ones they put out their list in the beginning of December. Year ain't done yet. A whole ass year ain't even done yet. I wait, and is the whole year done yet? The year is officially, I checked my calendar, it's officially done.

Yeah, you can't release anything today. It's a holiday. It's a holiday. Everyone has their stuff out. I wait for everyone to put all their stuff out, and I listen to it all, all the way through. I'm Mike, by the way. I'm Jamie. I'm joe b also we uh who else with us hey it's ryan and ryan misteller tabs out uh writer ryan misteller how's it going ryan on you're on a satellite yeah i'm on satellite location on location we're recording my voice this time no shut up shut up right you already issued your formal

apology it's okay i did i did ryan you hold on let me apologize for that apology mike i hear that you got really kind of upset at that so i apologize for that i don't i don't dwell on the past we're talking about the list we're waiting for maddie mcpherson to show up kind of like the inventor of the list um ryan you wrote about several tapes this year what what are some uh some highlights some 2023 tapes that really just put your stuff put your stuff on blast let's put your stuff on blast man i like it um yes i'm not at home i don't have any of my tapes in front of me. Oh, this clown ass needs his tapes in front of him. I would just start naming them off the top of my head.

Oh, yeah. No, this is great. I'll say the... What was that one on Island House? I can't remember the name of it. The one on Island House with the jazz guys. Jamie, you like jazz? Jamie, you should know this.

Jamie's got four whole ass computers today, by the way. Maddie McPherson showing up. Maddie, thank God you're showing up. Let me inform you where we're at. I just asked Ryan Mesteller, name one tape from the year, and he was like, oh. Jazz? I like jazz.

I'm not at home, Maddie. I'm not at home. I'm not at home. I'm not at home. Emergency group. Emergency group. There we go. Let me go grab my rack and some bullshit. Grab it so we can talk about the list. Let's talk about the list a little bit,

where we're going to put some stuff on this list. What's number 200? What's going to be number 200? That's Tim Thornton number 4 The Celebration Tim Thornton number 4 Did we play that tape? I don't think so

Did we make fun? Is that a Teenage Tiger? No, that's like the name of the tape is actually Tim Thornton parenthesis 4, right? Yeah, that's the artist I'm the tape is actually Tim Thornton parentheses four, right? Yeah, that's the artist. Actually, I'm pretty sure this time around for Hasu Mountain, he did a Tim Thornton tape this time. Let me get that right. Let me make sure I'm not bullshitting.

Fuck, it's Tiger Village. That's not the same, but it is the same. What's going on? We're already fucking up here. You're fucking up the list already. The list is perfect. There's no flaws in the list. There's nothing that needs to be edited. It's flawless.

But when this goes up, when everybody looks at our list, I want them to know that we got it perfect. And we can't say we got it perfect if, first of all, Ryan doesn't know what a tape is. Ryan's like, make sure you record me. And by the way, I don't know what a tape is i don't know anything and that's okay though do you know what a book is do we know what a book is at least

i've read many fun books i mean i've read a couple i think like a monograph do you know what a monograph is nah oh i don't know about this one. This might be a tricky episode, guys. Well, what's the deal with the Tim Thornton tape? You're saying it's Tiger Village. I'm saying it's Tiger Village. I'm saying you should check the new draft that I just dropped. I want to talk about this label, Blue Tapes. What do we have on the list from Blue Tapes?

Let's see. What do we have from Blue Tapes? Blue Tapes has has nothing currently or if they have something it's hiding and i remember a time when i when the here's why we need to really check on blue tapes this is a this is a legacy request for me because i remember i want to say seven years ago i've been keeping this one in my crawl you know how i really hold a grudge? I know this grudge too. Oh my god, you know this one. Remember when I called you up like three in the morning, like one year, and you were like,

Mike, is this the fucking blue tapes thing? I'm like, I can't get it out of my fucking crawl, man. This was years ago, and I hope the blue tapes person is listening. And you better be listening. Someone better be fucking listening jamie give me some a little bit of like pump up music beautiful a few years ago when we did a list

a very important list there was nothing from blue tapes on the list right didn't make the cut and they kind of called us out on it and they were like what they were like oh my all right all right what kind of right fucking what kind of right fucking slimy shit is this brian ryan's so dismayed because he's talked to mr blue tapes and that's exactly how he sounds and he's like and i thought he's like confused if he's british or australian they're the same he's like saying oh crikey and oh crikey how many blue tapes are on this list there's zip there's zip right now because there's nine we gotta put one on this guy's gonna have my... Listen, they just lost the queen. They just lost the fucking queen. First, first...

Give me some fucking respectful music. First, we lost the candle in the wind, Princess Diana. Tragic beauty. Then we lost the queen. How long ago was it we lost the queen? It feels like yesterday. It was like a month ago. It feels like yesterday we lost the queen. How long ago was it we lost the queen? It feels like yesterday. It was like a month ago. It feels like yesterday we lost the queen.

I think we got maybe one or two here. Find something. Find something. Find something. They didn't put out a lot this year. Although, I will... It's their fault. It's their fault.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta blame it on them anyway. Well, there's one release that I would gun for that I never got in the mail but I did know existed which is Staraya Dervanye's Blue 49

and the reason I know what this is is because that's Gosha and Gosha did send me a tape in the mail a ski mask that's the tape Mike's holding oh shit is that the tape you got? That's the tape Mike's holding. Oh shit, is that the tape I'm holding right now? That was a bit. You guys just did a bit. Oh my god. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Hold on. Wait. I saw you texting. Stop. Stop. Stop. We don't plan shit, motherfucker. This is like symbiotic. Okay? Somebody poured water on this years ago and it just bloomed right now yeah that's the tape you're holding blue 49 blue 49 i love how these blue tapes look they have

progressed so much over the years so blue now they're so much bluer than they used to be look at this they used to be in the o cards right there's a there's a there's a repeat on the list So Soraya Carvenia Is in at number 104 We're doing 104? We're able to get 104 Okay so this Jamie Just tell Blue Tapes right now for me Because I don't do my own dirty work

What am I doing? Tell Blue Tapes for me Just do a little like You happy now kid? You want me to tweet at them? No, no, just say it. Oh. And then tweet at them.

But right now, just say it. I'm just declaring it. I declare that Blue Tapes has now made the list at position number 104, thus bumping Tim Thornton. Oh, no. Uh-oh. Oh, yeah. Don't get too excited.

Name's a tough one, though. That is a good question. Matty, what are we bumping out to put it in like oh i had some great news about the bump out the bump out was pretty easy um there was a repeat there was a repeat oh there was a repeat okay that was a mulligan i love there was something horrible that snuck onto the list oh my god I can't believe this is all here this is a good little note for anybody out there who wants to kind of start a list

put a repeat from the gate put at least one repeat from the gate put a fucking repeat or a tape from 2022 I don't want to be dirty about it hold on i'm gonna be a little dirty about it put a fucking repeater tape from 2022 on there so when you want to add a little

like you want to do a little pale like you want to show some respect from like a decade ago oh yeah and say all right blue tapes all right, crikey. You can have it. Now that I'm hearing that can, those nuts and bolts shaking that can, this is 104. Oh, yeah. Easily, no doubt. Oh, this is the tape that made the list? I can do this. But you didn't. That's the thing, though, but you didn't.

You gotta get up and grind every morning, Joe. Oh, man. We're just giving these things away. This is Obama's America. Everybody makes the list, huh? No tape left behind. Or we need to make more space. We have a new way to consolidate this.

Oh wait, now I get it. It's getting good. Hold on. Oh, we might need to move this closer. Yeah. Hold on. Yeah, this might... Can this get a 102 what we talking yeah Maddie

I'm gonna say this I want to move it closer into the hundreds but I don't want to get into double digits because I don't want to see my blue tapes like how to like powered me or yeah yeah me let's do can we make it 100 but mike no we're not 99 and 100 those are those are locked in locked in that spot so let's take a look at it what is 99 99 is a tie is a tie i'm What? What? Alright. This tape's still available, by the way, from Blue Tapes, as I'm currently looking at it. It's cooking, too, isn't it? Yeah.

It weaves like a sidewinder, and it ticks like clocks. It does! Sidewinder! Sidewinder and it ticks like clocks. It does. Sidewinder. Take me back, baby. 99 is a tie on account of cassette art. Hold on, wait a minute. 99 is a tie? 99 is a tie because both are also basically the same artist and they're tied to each other.

Can we talk about this? Are we allowed to do that? Are we allowed to have a tie? Yeah. Joe B? All right, so we have a tie at 99. Well, let me just look at it. It doesn't say.

I'm looking at an old list, I think. I don't have the updated list. Where do I get the updated list? All right, fade this tape out. Fade this tape out, Jamie. I don't want you to cut it. I want you to fade it out. I want you to fade it out. I didn't think he was going to be able to do it.

That Billy Woods record is my favorite record of this year. Really? Yeah. It's your number one? That's my number one. On my Spotify, that's why I listen to it the most this year. Really? I have to argue with this fucking guy right here.

When it comes to, because again, Backwoods also shows up on the list, there's more appropriate cassette release, but the quality that they've done on their tapes over the past years have been really good they've worked with Gang PTP for some of the covers of the 2021 records and I thought both of these together

it's like well that's just a fucking piece that's just another capper for a great year for Billy Woods Joe B what do you think about your number is it your number one album of the year year for billy woods yeah billy woods lucid joe b what's my favorite rapper what do you think about your number is it your number one album of the year yeah what do you think about your number one album of the year coming in at 99 on the list i'm feeling pretty good about that would you like

to see it different no i like i like right where it's because you get both because you get both because it's a tie with the dive with the Hand. It has to compete with so many other releases on different categories. It's a 10 out of 10. 11 out of 10. It needs to be top 100, but then you've got those other cassette releases that don't have the backing or the Billy Woods magic, and they kind of got to take over.

We got to support the little guy. And 99 is a very sexual number. It's very sexual. It's kissing. It's kissing.'s kissing and then uh so that was that did we say what was 100 i'm always very excited 100 is very exciting because you're kind of that's when the list gets started like should we should we you want to fumble around a little bit in the top kind of 100 to 200 and talk about some of the highlights that are in there yeah some of the tapes that were good but not great yeah some of the tapes great some of the tapes we we call that we call this our

nice nice try pal where it's kind of like it this means you sent us tapes well what's 200 200 was the tiger village jimmy well show tim some respect and have that playing in the background a little bit yeah i can do that all right give me 175 yeah what's oh yeah roll some dice heartle road max two that's coming in from our good buddy zach mitchell who did a lovely write up of that that came out on K Records they did a hysterical cover that's a rip off of Noy a nice knock up now what are we listening to in this Tiger Village

cause I know Tim put out some archival stuff recently oh wait hold on this is the wrong tape oh my god we cannot I got a question are we doing a bit with Tim by fucking this up every time? Yes. We're not getting it right? Or can we really just not do it?

Matty, you're talking about the new tape on Hasu Mountain, correct? Yes. Okay. Yes. It's called Tiger Village The Celebration, and it's made by Tim Thornton 4. This is an alias he uses. No, it says by Tiger Village. That's what's confusing.

Oh, his name is Tiger Village? I'm looking. I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it. It says by the celebration by Tiger Village. Tiggy? Now, this was released October 27th. Ryan, would you say that's a good month to release something if you want to get it on a list no really not feeling that huh no i would say it is because

it's like you're finalizing your list you got your doubles on there you put i would have already put this on knowing it was coming out so i it doesn't matter to me oh you would have already put this on knowing it was coming out so it doesn't matter to me oh you would have got the press release back in September and said like I got to Tim a bone exactly there is at 190 a cassette that just

came out two days ago just made the cut wow and you were able to kind of like do the analytics he's doing the analytics because it's rob mcgill and i trust rob mcgill from weird cry records i've met the the mountain man himself many times oh so this was nepotism oh yeah this thing you didn't even listen to the tape so this was nepotism so always that's another good tip

so that's the analytical work i did the analytical work. I did the analytical work. I plugged in the data. I went to the band camp. I pressed play. I saw the zeros and ones come up and turn into music out of my speakers. That's what we're listening to now. You can really feel it. I feel like if you're going to make a list,

you're flat. I feel like if you're going to make a list, you also need to have a bunch of spots that just have like you know they're just open slots for like a friend that's going to release something in late December wait this was released 2017 you said weird cry Rob McGill

hold on oh wait a sec no no no that's a there's a 2023 one on there oh shoot Jamie again do the analytics Jamie it only was on two days ago. Is this a falling moon by Tatsuya Nakatani and Rob McGill? No, it's the Sliding Man live at the Monkey Pub, which was recorded in Seattle on February 25th, 2023.

Oh, I see it now. So already this is 2023. There's no pre-2022 stuff. Rob McGill, churning it out. Rob McGill is a real son of a gun. I love that guy. I got one of his CDs out of the library the other day. Really?

He's got shit in the library over there, buddy? Oh, yeah. In Delaware. Damn. I'll be there at that library next year. I'm going to come over, spend the night. This is a quiet. This is a little quiet.

Let it cook, Jamie. Yeah, let it cook jamie yeah yeah let it cook did we discuss and i hate to say it but did we discuss uh 169 because that is typically as supposed to be a funny one like 200 supposed to be funny you know 169 is supposed to be funny? That's a great question there. And actually, you gave some very sage advice ages ago on this one. Let's hear it. The KSR split, what was that, with Wintide, which was given a 169 question mark ages ago. And I heard and reviewed and thought, another huge win for Andrewrew weathers who was

cleaning up in the back half of this list repeatedly turns out that andrew weathers not just a great uh tape master but he's really on one with this prairie jazz shit i think he's cool i think he had a year where he was kind of like just simmering and cooking and he's always like got a new you know land art record or opus but this one this one came early in the year i think it came out on january 6th it was a january 6th tribute tape oh wow oh and it came out on january 6th you can't do that if i'm getting that right can can we back that up jamie did it did it come out on the 6th um it did right at the start of the year son Son of a bitch. Plenty of time to get on the list.

Who do you think is represented most on this list? As far as, if you had to guess, like, not just, they're an artist, they run a label. You just said, like, you brought up that word mastering, and it's just like, oh my god. I'm going to get into that, by the way. I'm going to start doing that. In 2024, by the way, I'm mastering tapes. Send me your tapes. I'll master them. The, the, hold on

here. The, and the. Done. Next. 100 space dollars, please. I master your tapes. That's one cheeseburger, please. Mike's got all of his tube compressors

and EQs in the other room. Oh, I put it through my tube compressor. One cheeseburger, please. Can you believe this? I'm putting these tapes through my tube compressor and you give me a cheeseburger? That's what it is now? That's what music is now?

And these people are shameless. There's this guy. His name's Mark Masters. He's a real smart motherfucker. Did anyone give Mark Masters a link to this? They got a master shit for the cassette. Mike, you could be great at this. I think this is your calling.

Ryan or Matty, did either of you give Mark Masters a link to this meeting? I'm going to call him out. Jamie, I just asked for one. What's up? You're here, so you have it. Oh, that makes no sense. That makes no sense. You are

here, Ryan, so you have the link. Oh, yeah, I do. Also, wait, are we recording the pod? We've been recording the pod. Oh, yeah. We think we have been. I see the waves going up and down. Oh, my God.

That's fantastic. I'm so glad to hear that. We just had to check. Did you say you're on the East Coast right now? No. No, you're not. Okay. I thought you said you were on the East Coast.

Was that earlier? I was, but then I traveled back. Oh, you did. And now I'm on the West Coast again. You didn't call. You didn't DM me and be like, man, where traveled back. Oh, you did. And now I'm on the West Coast again. You didn't call. You didn't DM me and be like, man, where are you? Where were you? I was in Hampton, Virginia.

That's a little far. Is that near Newport News and the beaches and all that? How'd you know it's near Newport News? Get out of here. Hampton Roads, dude. Hell yeah, Battle of Hampton Roads. Maybe I'll be taking a bus trip around some of the eastern seaboard next year, though. I'd wanted to stop in Wilmington after a trip in Philadelphia.

Well, that would be lovely. You drove to Philadelphia? I did not. I did not. I was like, you drove right by Mike's house. Whoa! Can you believe it? I thought the house was in connecticut

don't fucking dox me man don't fucking dox me waiting for uh angel mark lloyd to jump on this call they're saying the phone isn't opening the app i'm in the waiting room thingy oh you know what jamie what are you doing i didn't see that anybody's not fucking up one thing he's fucking up another there are two people in the waiting room how many people are in the waiting room nobody is nobody's in the waiting room let me in let me did you send angel the link or didn't i did because remember there was two links there was the first link when we were first sound checking day and there's a second ah so where's the new link it should be the most recent in your emails links.com

links.com okay hold on new link i sent the link to mark by the way awesome i was hoping not to have to edit any of this yeah i was really excited to be like just go right you know what this is this is the podcast i'm not editing this that old bullshit with like maddie talking about like i was in newport news hampton what were we what were we even just listening to what was that we were just listening to cop funeral on from the high bias book because maddie uh flashed it to me yeah high bias jump in really quick into like the lower lower lower numbers on the list where the big ones roll where the big ones roll where's that high bias we know i know we put that comp somewhere somewhere there's two there's two high bias comps actually what do you mean by that there's a hip-hop one are you serious

what what is it really? I didn't know that. It has a lot of DJ Haram on it. I like DJ Haram. I'm going to try to find that right now. Are they both on the list? They're both on the list. Where are they? You're going to find the Mark one at number five.

I think he does. That is Angel. Could have got, could have had, um, released the year if there were not some outrageous errors. Oh yeah. Angel Mark Lloyd has entered the chat.

Angel, what are you doing? You cooking over there? Giving my cat like weird treats with medicine in it. That shirt is cooking. My goodness. I'd say that's cooking. It was a sweatshop made too so that's

good oh oh good what are the what are the uh treats and what are the meds hip-hop like i know shut up i'm trying to get a doctor's cat it's this is for this is for joints and then i got some thyroid medicine here. And I also got a treat called Sheba. It's a pate and natural juices. Oh, man. Sometimes I roll all those up. I go to the dispensary, I get

all those in a pre-roll. I heard the word joint and I turned off. Yeah, Jamie just pissed himself. Jamie's like, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. Like, I mean, apparently it's really good but oh trust me oh trust me it's pretty good uh speaking of pretty good we're over here uh talking about 2023 we're talking about tapes that came out in 2023. We were just playing one and we can't figure out we know you mastered it. Yeah.

We know it's on Hasu Mountain and we know it's called The Celebration and we know Tim Thornton is involved in it. Uh-huh. And since you mastered it, who is the artist? What did you... I know you probably had some sort of business papers where you were like artist and you had to write down the artist. Who is the artist? What did you... I know you probably had some sort of business papers where you were like artist

and you had to write down the artist. Who is the artist on that? The artist is Mr. Tim. Mr. Tim now. Mr. Tim. Jesus, we can't figure this out. So is that a new Discogs entry? I think it's either Mr. Tim,

Tim Thornton number four, or Tiger Village. We cannot figure this out. No, it's Discogs Terrorism. Putting the four there. That was pretty funny. Yeah, and I might start a project

called Tim Thornton 4 and then I don't know what Discogs is going to do at that point. Is it going to be Tim Thornton 4 2? Yes. Is that how that works? Yeah. Tim Thornton 4 20. Alright Yes. Is that how that works? Yeah. Tim Thornton 4-20. All right.

Well, that's the plan. Jamie, you are our resident Discogs expert. I am, and I do have a Canadian that advises me. You have a disgusting Canadian who helps you. Are there such things as Discogs terrorists who kind of just like, they just want to get in there and fuck it up for the sake of it. They just want to mix things up on Discogs. Well, it's more like...

Where are you going, Angel? It's more like a proper terrorism. Is it Sonic Terrorism? Is it Sonic Terrorism? No, no, not at all. It's just normal music. Thank goodness. Okay.

Angel, how many tapes did you master in 2023? Oh, I don't know. Guess. Was it 21, 17, 42, or 30? I'm guessing higher than 40. It was more than 30 for sure. Well, you know what? I don't know exactly which ones went to tape and which ones didn't to a large extent, but

maybe like 50. What was, what was, did you turn anything down? Um, I'm going to guess no. I don't think I did this year, i've definitely had before i turned down mixing jobs a lot because they're a lot of times artists just start doing something that i that i love so i don't think there's a lot of work i actually like so what tapes did you put a little bit just talking tapes i know what tapes did you put out in 2020 this year i think we're listening to one on hasu

mountain right yeah okay what are we listening to we're listening to um i'm upset because i see something that is not there oh no i like that name what a tape that is what what a beautiful cover and what a beautiful cassette itself and there was quite a vinyl campaign for that one. Yeah, they've um, yeah, that's all done. I believe they've been shipped out, or maybe there's some left or whatever. I don't know if there's some left, but are you sure we're allowed to talk

about vinyl on this show? Well, I actually said no, and then Jamie fucked up. I talked about CDs already, talked about vinyl. Jamie, stop! Wow, I'm surprised they keep you on the show don't say that i'm on the ice over here is he on your last nerve now i know i can see you're like walking around the room feeding your cat because you're trying to pretend like you don't give a shit about being on this podcast and that's cool i get it i get the whole like gen extra thing that's cool uh i'm a gen extra

too i'm a gen extra too so i get it and it's cool kind of like whatever um but where but but i know you do give a shit and uh where do you think this tape that uh where do you think it landed on the list because i know you know about the list i know you know yeah you did that crazy thing to me last time where i was number one but i don't know oh you remember that oh you remember i don't remember that no i don't remember that remember mothcock they should be number one we made them number one the next year. Yeah. Oh, so this wasn't last year.

No, Hasu got two years in a row. Your tape got demoted last year. It got out of the 100. Oh, no. That was awkward. What tape was that? What tape missed the 100 last year? Because Eternal Home was my... Oh, my oh wait no i did another tape it was the

uh i what is it called i i can't no i won't use i won't use the body's eyes is that right yeah is it won't i will not no you don't like contractions yeah that's it you can just name these things like the chronic actually there's really no contraction for will not. No, you don't like contractions. I will not. That's it. You can just name these things like The Chronic. Actually, there's really no contraction for will not. So that's the one that didn't make it? That's the one that didn't make it, right? Is that what you're talking about? It's a perfect 101. Perfect 101.

Oh, y'all did that on purpose. Where do you think this one landed? Was this your only tape from this year? And where do you think it landed? There was a couple... I think there was like a couple Mindsway Memories tapes or whatever like really small editions but i don't really think there was anything else um where did it land i'm just curious where i don't know i can see you guys maybe liking eternal home more than this one so probably much lower on the list are you saying i definitely made the list though no? No. No, wow. Calm down.

Calm down. That's very interesting that you're going, well, I definitely made the list. No, no, I just didn't know what you meant. I don't know. Like, I don't know. This is a weird question. Why do you do this to me? I think it should be number one because it's good, but I don't know where you put it.

I cannot tell you. It's confidential. Okay, well, I guess you'll just have to wait and find out. What do you think? I know you mentioned Mothcock. Let's get your top three. If I had to say right now, Angel! Angel! Quick!

Quick! President Joe Biden's been kidnapped and we need top three tapes. I don't wish to answer questions. I don't listen to tapes if that's the prompt. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, quick. Delete.

Delete. Remove from meeting. Remove from meeting. Remove from meeting. Quick. I'm not breaking the law. You're going to understand this right off the bat. My three favorite tapes of this year.

Yeah, if you had to pick top three tapes. Or, you know what? Just pick three artists then that you think did tapes and and um just i think this person did tapes i think this person did tapes i think this person did tapes okay yeah i think most costed tapes you think most okay yeah uh maddie i don't did they have a tape this year i don't all right sorry angel angel angel number two who do you think did tapes uh max muck max any max maddie did any max do tapes this year of course absolutely i got a good one for the win for the win it was on all music.com

um i also would have accepted Maximum. There's some other places at Hossiemountain.com. I also definitely would have accepted a year's. Wait, when did that Paul from Etta tape come out? Was that this year? That was last year. That was last year. All right, that's going to be it.

Angel, thank you for joining us so much. I'm sorry to learn that you did not know who did tapes. Wait me up thanks for joining yeah you're welcome glad I could contribute angel Mark Lloyd I see things that make me sad

and they're not here but one day they'll be exit out the meeting but one day they'll be here and then i will see on hasu mountain somewhere on our list jamie do you know what you're doing on this computer and we still uh i think the main question of this show is that tip mr tim tape the celebration by

the way we're listening to the Mux Stonewasher tape right now on Hasu Mountain. A very good one. Featured on allmusic.com. Matty, what do you mean by that? Featured on allmusic.com? It means they had a list of top experimental tapes of the year and Mux was alongside some of the big names. Wait, top experimental

tapes or top experimental albums? I think albums. It was albums. It was albums. Okay, because I was going to say, if they're doing tapes let's grab some of that what's on their list let's get some of their list i'm trying to find it i don't think you're gonna like it i don't think i'm gonna be able to use much of it here michael maddie um how much hasu mountain how much is represented from hasu mountain this year on our list hasu mountain had a phenomenal year with a smattering of six percent wow so as a result we need to you gotta you gotta kind of you know um buffer you gotta give each of them a little bit of elbow room oh yes i hate when you know what i hate and here's a little thing

about lists i hate when there's two labels or two uh when there's the same label and they're real close there's got to be at least three different labels in between the labels so i agree with that they can't touch i don't want them touching it also goes without saying though it was another really solid year for hasu mountain um i mean quick sales is not here quick sales could just be here if anybody just wanted to uh you know drop drop a mr tiger or mr tim because we were just so concerned that we don't know are we able to get on discogs and change can we get one of these discogs anarchistsist or maybe your Canadian friend Jamie to change that Husu Mountain celebration tape to Mr. Tim actually

his face says he can't do it that was wow he couldn't even believe that you asked that Mike I'd rather you not make the joke I've never really seen Jamie mad that was it I got a buddy who works at Discogs. He knows you're joking.

I know you're joking. It might get up to some other people who don't. Maddie, I would like... If we can get the ball rolling, though, if on the list right now, if you could make the tape number 200, Mr. Tim, the celebration. Mr. Tim.

Mr. Tim, a.k.a. your boy Timmy 400 all right you want me I finally found that all music list am I is it too late no it's not too late it's never too late all right what do we got on there anything Matana Roberts Allison Miller shoo shoo wolf eyes Matt most black to come Bobo Stenson trio slouson Malone 1, Belaflex, Akir Hussain, and Edgar Meyer. That doesn't sound experimental. Yeah.

Wolfeyes. Again? Matt Gustaf... I never know how to say that name. Gustafson? Gustafson. Joaquin Nordwall, Historically Fucked. Jamie. Mux isn't on there.

You lied about that, huh? Yeah, I think I did. Where did you get this information from? Google. I'm not seeing it on the list now. The dark web. You know I sent everybody the wrong link? Yeah.

Sorry, that was probably... It probably stems from Ryan. Yeah. God damn it. All right, what do you want now, Mike? What number do you want? What's a 150? You're moving it along, Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, what what do you want now mike what number you want what's a 150 i like you're moving it along joe yeah yeah yeah well what number do you want you pick a number what's your lucky number my lucky number yeah i don't know if i have a lucky number well one one what's

150 i want to know what 150 is oh 150 that was a fun one to set up you can you know that without even looking and attending anna's principia also getting um a cameo kind of hit it they're on cameo they i wish i wish they were oh man um you know another another phenomenal year for trouble in mind last year trouble in mind had one of the worst um years because they could not get shit out. So they only were doing Explorer series, and that was cool. But then this year, they were like, hey, what if we put out some of our mainline releases on cassette and also do an Explorer series? I don't understand what the Explorer series is. Besides, what do they do?

Throw the O cards around the tapes? They put the O card on, and those are exclusively tape releases. Some of their stuff. And it's not in kind of the jangle, the jangle, um, punk vein of trouble in mind that Bill and Lisa have curated really painstakingly.

But when they go to the cassette format and they put out albums, like in a tenant on his principia, I sit the fuck up and listen. I've been waiting a very long time for the label to put something like that out. And it's probably the best release they've had since the first Wire album, I'd say. But it's still at 150 on the list. It's still 150 on the list. That's still why it's 150, though.

It's 150. You know, there's other guys that need to be pushed up. This is in the Time Magazine top 10 albums of the year. How did that happen? Wait, Time Magazine's still around? Not in print. This was released on multiple formats.

Did you say Time Magazine? Like Taylor Swift's, but it's T-H-Y-M-E. It's a gardening magazine. It's a gardening magazine. I don't know. But Jamie, you got to see and attend it on a live. They fucking kill it. And they wrote the song Wonder, one of the greatest songs of the year.

Oh, should I be playing that one? Yeah, play that one. You should play that one for kicks. That'll get some of the indie kids to listen to the show and get in here. They should see themselves on this list at times. Do we want them? Yeah, they need to be represented. They're going to make fun of me.

Sitting in the corner with your black glasses on. They're going to make fun of me, though. Jamie's listening to me. He's like, shit, this is good. I fucking love the Stereolab shit. This is chill. How much shit from Trouble of Mind is on this list? Let me guess.

Four tapes. Three tapes. Yeah, I'm going to guess three. Three tapes. Maddie, how much is on it? Fantastic guess. Three tapes takes it. Good job.

Sam Kazakaskar, which that name sounds oddly familiar. Name's Divine with the crystal arms and then Anna Tendon Anna wrapping us up here I got a request I don't know if this is on the list and this is a late one for me I got it recently I got actually two I got maybe three here

I think I got three tapes I might have a baker's dozen of tapes here that I need you to cram in there I hope you got some doubles and i want to play this one it might be easier just to pull it up over there yeah what's it called is the endless fog tape now we're gonna get a little bit spooky i hope everybody's okay with changing the vibe oh yeah i've heard good things about this one. Is the Endless Fog tape on here? I don't think that is.

Where'd that one come out? Waiting Forever by Endless Fog. Let me see it. Got it. Let me get my mitts on it. This is the... Oh, it's a spider web. I know. I don't like the look of this.

Take the tape out because you don't want to get your hands on it. This is the Dungeon Synth Project from the Pulse Emitter, dude. Daryl. Daryl. What up, Daryl daryl what up daryl daryl and his brother daryl it's a pro dub c60 and they're hand engraved it's hand engraved do you think this was a mess up over here he's like i'll just make this a blob nothing's a mess up in art because the first one that's obviously a spider web. Obviously a spider web. But then the second thing is just a blob. You know, sometimes you try a spider web.

You draw a spider web. And I bet you when a spider goes to make a web, they're not all perfect. And you don't go, whoa, you think that spider fucked up? You just said, I'll make this one a blob. No, it still catches and flies. Have you guys remotely seen this tape yet no no this is looking at the camera here you can't really see the engraving too well

well i'm going to need you to make room for this endless fog waiting forever it's a self-release tape i'm going to need you to put that somewhere on is there anywhere where you can throw that endless fog was on there already i think I had it on there and it got removed. Vetoed. I think I vetoed. Honestly, I thought it was in the top 10. Maybe. Give me a control F on that list.

It's a fall from grace. Let's check this old list. Endless Fog. Endless Fog had an 8. eight yeah that should have been on the list oh top 10 yeah it was the top 10 call me an old italian man because i've been vetoed so this day proves a very valuable theory of mine i've been calculating within my brain that oh dungeon synth is just drone with spider webs on it yeah that you can if you skip ahead a little bit on this tape and this is a little this is a little um bit of

information for the drone acts out there because there are some older pulse emitters no fucking spring chicken well how long is pulse emitter jamie get this up i'm gonna guess 16 years i'm gonna guess 20 i wasn't gonna ask how long 20 years i was gonna say how old is he i was gonna How long is Paul Simiter? Jamie, get this up. I'm going to guess 16 years. Don't fucking guess. I'm going to guess 20. I wasn't going to ask how long he's been. 20 years. I was going to say how old is he? I was going to say how old is he? I was going to say how old is he?

Oh, well, he's definitely 62. No, he's been at it for a while. Yeah. He's probably been at it for like 20 years. What you're saying is all he had to do was put a spider web on it. He would be huge. I'm not sure if he's as old as Ryan Mosteller. I'm not saying you you gotta i'm just saying if you've been doing drone for a while and a lot of heads

out there have been doing drone but a skull the early like you know 2000s kind of like late 90s 2005 maybe skaters kind of scene down on the floor you know yeah you're getting kind of old you're not getting the attention that you were getting fangs and arrows ain't up anymore but you put a spider web on it castle you put a castle goblin you put a goblin on and you call it um hold on give me like five seconds you call it um mysterious fortress mysterious fortress you call you call it stanky potion stanky potion that's a joke one okay you call it um you you Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Wow. I've never seen you fold like this before. Staring daggers.

I'm like, I, yeah, I, I found, I found his age. Crystal dagger. It's harder than I thought. Yeah. Something diadem. The staff of Magius. Wow. Yeah, come on. You're good at this.

Yeah. Then you got Zach Thar's amulet. Wow. You're good at this. Keep going. No, I'm done. Daryl Groach was born in Missouri in 1975. 75.

Who the hell is that? He's older than me. How old are you? Me? Yeah. I forgot Ryan was here. Can I really tell you? Yeah, tell me how old you are that's hip 46 46

were you at uh woodstock 99 no i was not at woodstock 99 oh we got somebody joining oh who's here who's coming this computer set up the only thing bad about this uh don't tell me oh i can extend the call is that gonna like pop up like for me to like do a paywall type your call ends in 15 minutes oh my god how do you fuck this everything up get the pay version is someone here or does it just telling us the call ends no somebody was here who was it lexi mountain oh yeah oh you're ready yeah hello hello lexi mountain you're live on Tabs Out. What's going on? How are you doing?

I'm doing great. How are you? We're just talking about cassette tapes on our cassette podcast. Oh my god, I love your cassette podcast. I don't know if you can see what I'm holding right here. I can hold up the camera. What are you holding up to? The laptop? I don't know where I'm holding it.

I got this tape here. It's called I'm Here to Win 1 Million Dollars by Lexi Mounder Lexi I grabbed this tape from you it was one of the most confusing tapes I bought this year and I only bought like 3 tapes this year how's a 51 out of 50?

I didn't see that. How did that happen? You sent me an email with the options of what I had to buy this tape. And there was like eight different options that were like, it came, one was like like a stamped O card that came with some sort

of thing. And the other one it was very confusing. There's like a hydroponic version of it what is going on with this tape what is what is i'm here to win one million dollars uh i definitely so i made a hundred of this like million dollars i made a hundred million dollars this year and i'm going to tell you how i'm going to tell you how it's possible. You simply send Duplication.ca $300, and then they make you a C60, and it's recycled windowless cassette. Because I was like, oh, I'm just going to sort of randomly source

and do all these different versions of it for these small releases. And just kind of like, you know, drip it out there. And so I made these fully hand-painted ones. They're all kind of hand-painted in this weird way. So one looks like a pack of cigarettes. One sort of just looks like a gentle wash. Some of them I made were just like stamped with a black back, you know, and that was like the jean jacket version for just like getting busted up in your pickup truck. And then I made some that had a recycled paper O-card that was all hand painted.

That was for a tour because I didn't want to put plastic in my suitcase. So I think the plan was just to diversify, I guess. Also, just because I'm doing it all by my own, I was like, it'll be more fun to do piecemeal, but it just ended up being hyper expensive because it's extremely time consuming to hand paint like 30 individual cassettes. I don't know if you can see this one,

but this is like the stormy sky. I like, I wanted the stormy skies. And then she's a little ocean at the bottom. Oh, it's very nice. Jamie, you should be getting a screenshot of this. Obviously. Trust me. Obviously.

Let's hold that up again. Screenshot that Jamie. Jesus Christ. I got it. I got to reach. Got it. Got it. Got it.

We did the sound effect. Yeah. i think the original intention was to like have those ones these ones that look all exactly the same for stores and then it was like if i sell these stores i have basically have to sell them for like 30 because the amount of time i spent painting these ocean scenes on them and like varnishing them and all these, you know, getting all the dust I possibly can. We're talking, we're talking borders. We're talking. We're talking borders.

Comp USA. We're talking Barnes and Noble. Toys R Us. Toys R Us, especially Kids R Us. Kids R Us. We're talking Babies R Us. The wall. Babies R Us.

We're talking Cocoa Nuts. Cocoa Nuts. Coconut. We're talking coconuts coconut you're talking fy wait is it coconuts or coconuts we're talking well how many do how many copies of do you think you can like if i you think you can get these in coconuts i think you i think you can i think you can because it's a because it's a survivor inspired experiential recording I think you can get it inside a coconut. You get it in the coconut. The coconut is sent to you. You get it in.

We got it taped in a watermelon last episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll take one of the coconuts. Oh, awesome. For the last time. Don't get political. That's a good way to go. Lexi, you're from Baltimore, correct?

Yeah, I live in Baltimore. I do. And you claim that you are here. I'm here to win one million. Are you guys going to come? To Baltimore? They get scared shitless to leave Wilmington. Yeah. I kind of stay in the north of Delaware.

You guys are in Delaware. I come right to the border of Maryland and I kind of go like this. And I look look in Larry Hogan looks back at me and goes, uh, uh, uh, uh, it's an expensive bridge.

That's for sure. Yeah. I got claimed lives. Yeah. I'll go to Elkton and Harvard to grace, but I'll go to Elkton and dumb fries. I'll go to dumb fries. I'll go to Skaggsville,

but that's kind of as far as I go. Yeah. Yeah. I get to the bridge and I go uh uh I respect your boundaries I get blown off that bridge you can go to the Conowingo Dam

and another Maryland thing Crabs hyper regional I want to give you a chance to win one million dollars okay I'm ready do you recognize the track that's playing I want to give you a chance to win $1 million. Okay, I'm ready. Also, do you recognize the track that's playing?

I cannot hear. I can barely hear what you're saying. Okay, turn it down. That's also what I would say if I couldn't recognize my own track. Okay, I'm going to ask you three questions about Baltimore. How well would you say you know the Baltimore kind of experimental noise scene well I've lived here for 20 years and like booked a lot of shows okay all right all right medium amount all right because okay it's sort of constantly changing but I'm ready well Jamie is Jamie is uh going to well we have set up a uh I've set up a uh reverse 401k for Jamie a few years ago

it is uh matured and we are ready to get it over to you if you can get these questions right so here we go jamie can i get actually let this tape keep playing this is fine background okay the first question are you ready yeah i'm ready i'm ready tarantula hill was a multi-purpose art space located on pratt street in west baltimore what is the lifespan of a Goliath bird eater tarantula? Three years. Wow. Is that right?

What? The survey says. Oh, my God. That's actually right. Is that in the wild or captivity? Make the questions harder. I don't want to give away my 401k. Too late.

It's already in the fun. It's too late, Jamie. Okay, number two. Jamie, you better get worried right now. How many questions are there? Three, and this next one's not that hard. Matmos is an experimental electronic music duo formed in San Francisco and currently based

in Baltimore. How many miles separate San Francisco and Baltimore? Like over 2,000. Yes, it is. That's pretty prime. Alright, just right yeah all right this is the last question i'm i'm very biased in these questions because number one i i do landscaping for um oh so you yeah i thought you meant you do landscaping so you know all about the land between san francisco and baltimore yeah yeah yeah and it's basically like we built a small, like a scale model of what Bjork would look like,

how many Bjorks would it take to go between Baltimore and San Francisco. How many is it? It's over 2,000. 3? Yeah. 2,000, yeah. Are you ever over there landscaping and you're like, I got to cut this bush.

Can you get the microphone out of it? And they're like, just five more minutes. Just holding a boom mic in a shrub. I'm always yanking weed and pulling shrub for them, man. So all the time. We just had Angel Mark Lloyd on. She was talking about joints. And now we're talking about weed.

Don't do that. All right, the last question. I'm going to get arrested. I really... Okay, okay. Here's the last question. You really do know a lot about baltimore noise in 2008 twig harper released the cassette live in america on the label sabbath reality there are two types of twigs vegetative twigs and what um vegetative twigs you're a landscaper hey you're two types of twigs vegetative and i should know

this i should know this because i work i do work with a lot of twigs and sticks and debris um but i don't have my debris degree so uh from the bri probably like this is probably like Scraps and Bits 201 and I'm not quite there yet so I'm going to say you said vegetative? Yeah Scrapulent

Fruiting Spurs I'm sorry Jamie I knew it had to be one of those My heart's pounding It was an excellent shot. You do know a lot about Baltimore noise. So far you mentioned

two Baltimore noise things. All three of those things were about Baltimore noise, right? I think so, yes. Matt most is noise? You call them noise? I mean, give me a fucking breathing room in here. I woke up at like 9 o'clock

to kind of put this bit together. Jesus Christ. He's only been as far as Elkton. I only go to Skaggsville and Dumfries. Come on. Maddie, is this tape on the list? I'm here to win $1 million. Oh my god. Have we got a number for this tape? Oh, what is it?

It is at 33. Woo! Hear it. It's about survival. It has survivor samples and bullshit in it. It doesn't have survivor samples. It's emotionally influenced by the

Yeah, it's emotionally and politically influenced by the quest for unattainable dreams. And the idea that we all are deserving of something that is both attainable and both ridiculous and a kind of fallacy. And that's why Sandra is one of the best characters. Because you get to, she wins twice. Yeah, Sandra actually is an amazing character.

Because she won basically totally off of, and this is a Survivor cassette podcast I'm assuming, which is why I say you guys a copy. And that's why there are different also tapes. The other reason is I'm sort of like, I'm retconning this but there's different tapes because there's different Survivor

players. There's different players in the game. But Sandra is amazing because she won strictly off of a social game twice like she's a beast and um so i both i'm like highly critical of and very like naive and and sort of submissive to the premise of survivor despite the fact that i think it's like play acting it's struggle for a lot of people where like in america we're like oh struggle what's that you know but and then we're like what would i do for a million dollars and it's like would you starve would you starve would you like sell your friends out would you blah blah blah you know yes yes that's human nature for a million for uh for 500 i would sell my friend 25 i went out jamie out for 25 yes you get you get the well-tuned piano with that 500 and then just sit there all day and think

about what you did yeah think of it think about what you did think about what you did yeah so i feel like i'm also really curious to hear what what you guys think about think about the tape because i haven't made a tape in like 10 plus years. Plus plus years, like a solo release. Well, that's not really our job to talk about it to you. Well, you made 33, kid. Mike loves it. Mike genuinely does.

I'm a big fan of it. Yeah, I'm a big fan of it. I'm hearing it for the first time right now in the background which you can't hear but i'm hearing it no i absolutely i absolutely cannot hear but i'm so excited that my own voice is the bedding to my own voice this is essentially like my shows where i'm just kind of like talking to well if jamie gets it right because um he often uh does not record any of this. It's recorded, baby. We'll have to wait and see.

Oh, we'll wait and see. We'll wait and see. Okay. All right. All right. Lexi, thank you for joining us. Thank you for the tape. Thank you for having me.

I hope you enjoyed the tape. Yes. And I hope you enjoyed the poem. Big time. Cross that bridge sometime. Come to Delaware. See us. Come. Yeah.

We'll meet you guys and we're back well we didn't really wait we didn't really leave so how are you going to play that one jamie how did we how did we end the last thing you need to have like a bumper or something like that that was uh lexi mountain baltimore maryland are you gonna go well we could have went to a tape you know what i don't know what we did we could this is a heavily edited episode well let's let's go to like real quick i want to play this is this embarker tape on the list i know you threw this Embarker tape on the list. It's on Traced Out. Embarker from Philadelphia.

You're free to go. Or is it called Traced Out? The tape's called Traced Out. Where's that Lexi Mountain tape? Right here. There's a lot going on with it. I showed to Jamie earlier. I've never seen a tape without the things. Oh, like the Noroco case without the hubs?

Yes, shaved off. But it has the circles there that they were like either they removed them and they're like they're like no don't put the hub the guy was getting it ready for the hub yeah and then they're like no that one's hubless and he's like i've worked here for 25 years they all have they all have hubs and they're like no been in this business a long time. Now I gotta start paying attention to hubs. Yeah, I've seen it without the hubs before.

I've never seen hubless. They typically are hubless. Because now, I've never really looked at the hubs before. This is a three-pronged hub. This is a four-pronged, your standard X hub. Oh, I thought you were saying that this one had three prongs on it. Oh, no, no, no. Like this was

a friggin total recall prong isn't dude this is this is like messing my head up i'm gonna take this one home with me because it's something i've never looked at before this one only is one just one single oh this is fucking me up this is killing me actually you know what you know what it's like you never you never stop you never stop i feel it in my fingers I feel it in my toes cassettes are all around me and so the feeling grows I was like no matter how many tapes I get

I'm always learning something new I'm always learning something new look at the difference between this four one because it has that little slanted one yeah versus the old school this Donjo

look at that one they're all the same you know I might have woke up this morning thinking like I don't give a shit about tapes and I don't want to do this podcast. And now Joe B's showing me how many nubs of plastic are inside this case.

And I'm like, here we go, boys. I just opened a can of worms. And so the feeling grows. Oh, this is good. This is really good. Is that Embarker tape traced out? Is that on the list? Embarker that embarker tape traced out is that on the list burker embarker traced out number 41 41 that's pretty good pretty good number that one jamie there it

is he went a different direction with this one i don't know how he got his modular synth to do that sometimes you can do anything you just put... Well, it can do anything. You just put one... Sometimes the banana cables go rotten. Sometimes they go rotten. Jamie, play that again. That was track two. Yeah. Sometimes you get... I'll play the next track.

Yeah. So, M. Barker from Philadelphia. The tape's called Traced Out. I believe his label is Send Help, or maybe that's just something he puts... It's just a call for... It's just something he puts. It's a call for it. Well, make a music like that. DJ Jesus Schwartz and Help 2.

That's a good name. Oh, excuse me. I had Mexican last night. Wake me up! Yeah, this is... I'm glad this made the list. Oh, wait. We were going to transition from this. This list oh wait we were gonna transition from this

this is how we were going to transition from the thing right oh we're doing it yeah but we're i don't really care it doesn't matter all right what else is on the show when uh when um embarker played in delaware and had a heckler oh i wasn't there there was an older gentleman who talked about murdering the president. Yeah. He talked about maybe murdering the former vice president. Mike Pence? I don't want to use any names.

It was very funny. Michael Barker is very quick on his toes to deal with hecklers. He must get it a lot. He just stopped, right? He stopped and had a whole conversation with the guy. And then he turned up really loud. And he played so loud that my speaker, the speakers were starting to turn red. And I didn't even know it could do that. Oh, they were blushing.

Oh, Michael Barker. Oh, you put that. He put some KY jelly on the cable. Oh, Mike. Mike always has to go nasty. It's a new year baby i don't always have to go nasty but when i do you're gonna know it oh i heard a modem all right well speaking of going nasty what's 69 oh yeah let's just go

right for it now that i'm in the enough uh wiggling around i just want to know let's go right for it I run your back for 5 minutes so last year we had Pulse Emitter it was kind of universally agreed Pulse Emitter rocked in the 69 spot why Pulse Emitter? why was that on the 69 spot last year?

what about Pulse Emitter? we just loved it it kind of seems like maybe would another hasu mount artist step up and you know what dustin wong dust but not just once twice oh nice drop three times with his tape on leaving records with brin we've got two... Oh, wait, another tie? Dude, this is the year of ties. You should have warned me when you talked about the last tie

that there was going to be another tie. How many more ties? Yeah, now we're over 200. I'm going to tape jail for this. I know. You might go to tape, yeah. Well, luckily with all these ties... Mike, I wanted to talk with you about this for this. I know. You might go to tape. Yeah. So, well, luckily with all these ties,

Mike, I wanted to talk with you about this too. I told you, Hey, I can be on a call tomorrow at, you know, nine 30. Cause I have,

I work West coast. Yeah. He went nine 30 in the morning, nine 30 at night, nine 30 at night. I watched Columbo go to bed. Nine to five. So I would have been on at about, um, six or so. And that would.00, I watch Columbo go to bed. 9.00 to 5.00.

So I would have been on at about 6.00 or so, and that would have been nine-year time. Can you imagine with this list, with all these ties, all these extra tapes, that the list must be like busting out the seams, that Mr. Tim is just teetering on the edge. Next year, he's going to get popped right off. I hate to bring this up. Where is Tim? Did anybody send him the link?

Yeah, he got the link. He got it. I hate to bring this up, but do you remember the falling man from 9-11? Huh? Vitruvian man? The guy who jumped out? No!

I feel like tim must feel like that right now like on the edge like like he's just but i said i hate to bring it up yeah jesus christ so there's a tie at 69 i like that because it implies something yeah it doesn't buy two it takes two it takes two to tango you know what i mean you can well well is the um we were supposed to have keith franken he was supposed to join us how many orange milk tapes on this list right now yes yeah yes yeah currently i know it's gonna change probably a couple times before midnight.

Are we going to get this posted before midnight? I think we can do it. Get to work, buddy. Get to work. We've got to stay up for New Year's. You've got a lot of work to do. You've got a lot of work to do, pal. Ryan Mesteller, you want to take a guess on how many orange milk tapes are on this list right now?

There should be. Well, should I say what there should be or what there actually are oh you already know no i don't no no no there you should say should i want to hear all of them because that was i was in different waters this year with a lot of music so i didn't cross over to orange milk there's typically like eight or nine i talked with keith for for hours and that was a highlight of the year for me but a lot of orange milk i just was like i'm gonna catch up with you know what I would like to do You know what I would like to do and I think maybe we should

Let's just put on one No And Maddie touching that also to your ties I'm sorry, but both Orangeville and Muscle I'm gonna have control! had terrific music. Play three, y'all! And we ain't touching that. Also, do your ties. Hey, Matty, they didn't put that Signal Quest album out on cassette, did they? They did. They did.

Synth Freak, yeah, and that's at 25. 25. No, not Synth Freak. Not Synth Freak, the Signal Quest. Oh, no, that is not. I did not think it was. I gotta stop the music. Signal Quest? Trademark?

Actually, okay, though. Speaking of that, Ryan, you know what did get a very small cassette release that we're acknowledging on the list in, like, the 130 zone? Tell me. Cole Poliches, or not to live or die, if I don't see you in the future, I'll see you in the past year. All right. That's funny.

Good wordplay. I'm going to text that. I'm going to use that as a joke one time. Where's the B. Michael tape on this list? That's in the 80s and 85. 85. Jamie, play that tape. Are we playing

Cole Puliche? Play B. Michael. B. Michael. Jamie, play that tape. Are we playing Colt Felice? Play B. Michael. B. Michael. We're past that, buddy. Keep up, asshole. It takes me a while to pull up these links. B. Michael Gore. I wanted to ask Keith. One thing I was going to ask Keith.

Joby, you can look at this artwork here. Oh, what, are you going to put my glasses on? Yeah, you got to put them on and say it. I wanted to ask Keith about this artwork. I don't know where they are. Do you know who's the master? Not funny. wanted to ask keith about this artwork not fun because um what do we got art the other day i was asking jamie i was like what have you been up to lately and he said i've been kissing my girlfriend

jamie said that jamie said i've been kissing my girlfriend and i was like what are you talking about and i was like can I see a picture And he showed me this tape cover And I was like You're nasty Jamie And he said look at those luscious lips I've been kissing those luscious lips And I said I think that's

Keith Rankin made that in photoshop It's all like weird and distorted It's like not even a real person When I said can I see a picture I thought he was going to get his phone and he just grabbed the tape and he said he's been kissing

her reverse cowgirl. What? You always get nasty again. He already did 69. He's insane. You get one nasty one. What is her name, Jamie? There's actually three on the cover here. Oh my god. You get one nasty one. What is her name, Jamie? What's this? There's actually two or three on the cover of here.

Oh, my God. You are disgusting. What are you, Sicilian? Yeah. So what's with this gore tape? I like this one a lot. You said this is 85? Mm-hmm.

Vancouver-based producer. That's probably one of the highest... Is it higher or lower when you're talking about a list? Which one is better? Well, yeah, that always confuses me. That's always... I've always... Higher. Lower. Lower your honor. The lower number, but your higher is higher.

It's an inverse relationship. Ooh, Jamie. Word man. Wow. Yeah, look at the fucking brain zone Brad over here. Now new man. Alright, should we bust? Do we need to just fucking crack open that top ten? Let's do it.

Are we ready just to crack? I say let's go right to the top ten. Yeah, I'm ready to crack them. We've been fucking playing around. Let's crack open that top ten. Now is this subject to change or do we have to set this in stone? Ooh. I think this might be it oh yeah i think we have to the top 10 is locked in yeah maddie are we locked in on the top 10 i think there's a there's a big question at number one oh my god that's the worst i think there's a really big question mike has something for number one that's the biggest one to have a question about well it's

not good let's not figure that out yet. I'm going to be honest. I feel like I goofed up because I was busy kind of hanging out with my family, but also trying to do the list, and I wasn't asking folks to get here. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

You've been hanging out with your family. Yeah, what? There's a list. You were supposed to be working on the list maddie in unison you've been hanging out with your family you were supposed to be working on the list i was i was i had to read this i had to go to a shop and buy tapes for the top 200 you went to a shop? You were supposed to be working on the list. I was doing field work. Oh, field work.

Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. Let's not go to the number one yet. What is 10? Do we know what 10 is? I would do 11. Oh, no.

We're doing the top 10. 11's done. No, we should do. Let's do one of Baker's dozen here, actually. Okay. Oh, no done no we should do let's do this let's do on the baker's dozen here actually okay oh no no no joe's right joe's right i'm gonna talk about dr uh peter j woods oh yeah i think he's a guiding force he's been a guiding force because he logs he actually logs his reviews he helped out with the list a little bit. Yeah, so as a payola, a little nepotism, kind of like

you scratch my butt, I scratch yours. We put him on the list at where? 12? 13. That's a baker's dozen. Because a baker throughout history, bakers were very uneducated dopes. They couldn't count very well.

You'd ask a baker for a dozen cookies you might end up with 13 in the box okay so he ended up with number 13 for that a compilation correct why yes we love we love just you know a big kiss off dr peter j woods i wish you were here next year we're gonna we're gonna help you has anybody ever has anybody read any of his work that he's he's published this year i've read some of the abstracts but i don't get into the papers oh i meant to if you're saying it's good have you ryan i'm assuming i have yeah i read my article was crazy it's really good well i'll get in if i liked this then i'll get into it would you say it's better than

high by like in a writer off right here which one is going in the ring it's academic so yeah he's a cerebral writer yeah well also both of these have comps oh that's right there's a comp off we got an old fashioned comp off

yeah comp off between the what is the name of the comp that Peter put out F100 fuck the art museum right that's the name of his label which he has now ended

you didn't know that you gotta listen to the bonus episode we interviewed Peter J Woods and who's on the you should be playing the and who's on the uh you said a bonus episode you should be playing the the comp who's on the comp oh yeah yeah because it's a big one it's a triple right i was playing the comp off music actually no i'd play that play the comp i'm gonna get there nottingham uk peter j woods and he moved he's an expat here we go

this is what well this is by Lucky Bone. And this is track number seven. This is the featured track on Bandcamp. Did this make the list? Because I can do this. See, you keep saying that, but you haven't. You've got to sit down and do it. Oh, now I like it.

Just got to let it get into it a little bit So that's the 13 Then we're getting into 12 A regular dozen Oh, here's the Dan of Earth, Hanna-Barbera thing We played on the show Yeah, we played this track

This is a good one I love this track Let me play Nummy, voicemail I love Peter You know DJ K With Panico No Subnudo from Eugenio G Tapes. Held, yeah.

I'm heading back to the yard. You know, everybody loves that label. Continually a wealth of magic and wonder. Excellent label. I'm surprised I didn't crack the top ten. Well, we had to make room for for a couple other classics what do you got like four ties in there i mean there's like 11 well actually uh at number 11 we've got four guys cunningham shirishi accurately and smith with five lines indecipherable

from profane illuminations. What number was that? Eleven. Let me find that. We talking about this tape right here? Five lines in. That's a nice one. This is a beautifully designed tape. You're saying this is number ten?

Eleven. It's a little bit stinky. You think it's a little stinky? I think so. We're still not in the top stinky. This one's a little stinky. You think it's a little stinky? I think so. So we're still not in the top 10, but this is... Jamie, that's what people might say about your number one of the year, which is our number 10. I've been cutting it straight and quiet when I close. Well, hold on.

I wasn't finished. I was going to talk about the colors on this tape. How was it done? Go back. Go back. But I have to boost it. Let me see it. I want to see if it's stinky.

No, the first song is called Slick with Slime. Oh, I thought the tape was stinky. Was it the printing? Listen to this. Stinky music. Jimmy loves his jazz. Oh. Who's playing that guitar?

Who's doing that? That's Jessica A ackerley back to school on that one so i think we should just jump right to the number one tape oh okay so we're just going right to one i think we should go right to one all right but there's some controversy about one is there yeah yeah that's always just tough to pick number one it's not it's not you just pick one i think it's i think i like this pick me too i want to see what the other pick is i'm happy with my pick you know i asked this person to be on the show you know what they said back what nothing nothing did they actually say nothing they responded at with a blank email with a blank gift with a white gift that was three seconds long and didn't show anything i thought huh they had to go through the time to find a blank gif to send to me and i'll make a blank gif and what do but why

but what does that mean well why would you do it to me daddy we were discussing while you were gone that we were just going to go right to number one oh Oh, no, because I was grabbing some of the top ten. So at number nine, you've got Larry Wish, Capricorn's son. What in hell is going on? Larry Wish, who was on the show. Yes. Yeah. Capricorn's son.

Another Orange Milk one. Another Orange Milk one. And if Keith was here, if Keith Rankin was here from Orange Milk, I would say that we were Rankin with Rankin. And I would, that was the thing I was going to say. You had a whole bit. I know. I was going to say that to him. I was, you know how he would react? Stoneface, probably. that we were ranking with rank and i would i would that was the thing you had a whole bit i don't know i was going to say that to him i was you know how he would react stone face probably he got him like

huh and i'd have to deal with that and i'd be thinking all day like why did i say rank and rank that's funny yeah and why and he acted back like that and i had bad taste in my mouth all day about it but it's good that rankin hasn't showed up though I'm pretty stoked on it you're pretty good yeah I'm feeling pretty good about it so nine I feel like Ryan right now I feel like a corgi one of my brother's corgis I was hanging out with here he goes

we've been talking about this family all episode I don't care about your family you're not supposed to be seeing the corgi you're supposed to be making the list what about six like family to me who are number eight oh number eight i got it playing right now oh how did you know oh you have the list an absolute stone cold classic right here this one's stone cold classic i can do this too jamie's jazz radar went off. I know you can't.

You can't do jazz. In an improv. Some cats, baby. Some cats. Very interesting quality to it. Who is it? It's like a DM record, and I love that. There's a little bit of an ambient Americana,

but like the vague improv way. Yeah, listen to that. Wait, shut up. Listen. Yep. There's the Americana. There's the Americicana there's the americana right there there yep i remember jefferson and washington doing that yeah my

grandfather used to talk about this kind of stuff oh listen and right hold on right there who is this jeff tobias and riley walker oh by the way jeff tobias i messaged him during the episode, said, can you come on? And he said, I would love to, but I'm preparing for a New Year's party tonight. He's getting his place ready. Oh, all right. We weren't invited. Thanks for the invite.

And I wonder what the New Year's party at Jeff Tobias' house looks like. That's what I was wondering. I mean, you're getting ready 12 hours before it because midnight ain't until New Year's midnight. Yeah, but what time are people coming over? Six, seven? No, you do it at midnight. what time are people coming over? Six? Seven? No, you do it at midnight. That's when people come over? That's when people come. Sure. Well, from the way I understand it, you come over ten seconds before

midnight for the party. Oh, okay. And you do the countdown. And then you leave. And then you leave. So what? Somebody's playing a rubber band and what's the other person playing? The big old horn. How big do you think the horn is? That's a rubber band, and what's the other person playing? The big old horn.

How big do you think the horn is? That's a big one, Jamie? It's saxophone, trumpet, and reeds. These might just be reeds. You know what would be funny? You ever think jazz people who got a good sense of humor ever show up, and one person's got a really, really big horn? Just like a friggin' whopper horn. And the other person just takes out the tiny horn.

Like a really small one. Just one note. And then they look at each other and they go, ah. Oh, here they go. Now they're cooking. Doesn't lie. That's one of the best of the year. Alright, eight. What do we got for six?

Or what do you got? Yeah, because apparently it doesn't matter what we say. Number seven is now Kabukari Yuki's Resident Body. This one came out on CMTX Records. They're also on the list in another capacity. What the label is? Yes. They got also on the list in another capacity. What, the label is? Yes.

They got two on this list, huh? On this list? They also have Jackson Greenberg at 71. Jackson Greenberg. Okay, the one with the fire on the right there. You got that right there. Yeah, I got that one right in front of me too. Where did Jackson Greenberg land? Because I like that tape a lot. Oh, 71.

We can move it up though. Um, I got that one right in front of me, too. Where did Jackson Greenberg land? Because I like that tape a lot. Oh, 71. That was 71. We can move it up, though. We can move it up. I think they're promoting fire, which I don't really like. Bad boy stuff. Bad boy stuff. The things we pass on through our genes. Actually, move it to 72.

Take it down. Splunkersers music from the window Jane is promoted 71 yes switch those two please yes I would like those two switched please that's why I'm glad that we I'm here to do this and just an update what is 200 again exactly Mr. Tim aka ya boy Timmy

400 hundo, the celebration. Okay. I need to, for number six, I think Joe talked about number six. I would like six. I need to offer a correction from a previous episode. I pronounced the name of this project wrong. Oh, yeah. I wanted to talk about that.

That's why I was bringing it up. So Tim messaged me afterwards because Tim put this tape out. Speaking of Tim, good segue. Yeah, good transition. Radio man over here. Can you say the full thing? Can you say his full name? Mr. Tim Thornton.

Mr. Tim, a.k.a. your boy. Timmy4000. Disco.com So this project, I said it was Hi-Fi Scaser Box because I was like, oh, it's like a Hi-Fi, but since I'm I don't really know my way around a dictionary

too well, the word H-Y-P-H-Y is actually pronounced Hyphy. Hyphy. Hyphy Skazerbox Hyphy Skazerbox I can't believe you didn't know that I don't know the word Hyphy, and there's no vowels in it Jamie, please. There's no vowels in it? How do you spell it?

H-Y-P-H-Y. Well, what about... Isn't it Y? Doesn't Y play both teams? Sometimes does, but I don't know. It's like you gotta... Sometimes you gotta pick sides. Oh, and you're like, no.

Yeah. Y is a consonant. It's a consonant. And what's this, number six? This is six. With a sweet 309 release. Yeah, let's play a little bit. Very, very low on the list.

Here's the Edgelord Overture. The Edgelord O... I still don't know what that means. don't know what overture means or yeah overture that's at the end no an overture is at the beginning oh that's the beginning oh okay it's it's like a it's a summary of all the songs that are about to become um yeah it was a great year for sweet 309 now i think tim tim did one batch that i said jack shit about or wrote anything on but also thought was you know the strongest work he put out like he was like oh cool hyphy who kicks ass and then he had oms show up with um oh yeah the tape was on you could listen to side a and you can flip it around and hear the whole thing again on side b so convenient is oms a russian project whoa whoa better not be she is russian i forget where she's based out of though somewhere in the baltics i think

somewhere in the baltics but yeah she's on um she's on a couple of the servers. She just makes music. A Peter Criss tape too, right? A Peter Criss tape too, right? A split? Peter Criss, who also showed up, along with our good pal German Army. German Army typically floods the list. Floods the list.

And you know what? Well, here's the thing. This time time we decided to give a little kiss both both peter christian german the way jamie's been oh come on no no no it's at 66 and 67 there's no tie this time good good thank god thank god thank god getting a little crazy with the ties all right where are we at next we were at six well you want to go to five you want to go to four we talked about five oh we talked about five high bias all right okay high bias that comp okay good good good does the book count is the book on the list too that that is the book that's also for the book no is the book on the list it's five yeah the book and it's another tie

so that's another tie the book and the comp are five yes no it's just it's another tie. So that's another tie. The book and the comp are five. Yes. No, it's just high bias. There's not even anything that says if it's a tie. It's the vibe. Okay, okay, okay. So, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So number five, just so we're clear,

even though Mark Masters didn't even show up, and last time we didn't record him correctly, number five is kind of that whole vibe from high bias the distorted history of the cassette tape by your boy mark masters january 6 participant is that true that's true i think if we say it enough we said it last time we're saying it this time all right so that's cool so then that's so then what's number what are we are we going into the top three what What are we saying? Number four.

This is a good list, by the way. I'm happy with this list, by the way. Wow. Wow, I'm so honored. Yeah, this is turning out to be a good list. This one is a Peter J. Woods recommendation, and I think one that I was extremely into. We play it. No Rent Records.

Final gun. Classic. a No Rent records classic because No Rent turn cassettes around like motherfuckers. No Rent is one of those labels that puts out one tape every month. They are on a schedule. They have work to do. Four tapes from them making the list this year, but this one at four is Klang Quartet's A Slow Death for the Peacemaker. This was a tough one. This was a rough one. I but this one at four is Klang Quartet's A Slow Death for the Peacemaker. This was a

tough one. This was a rough one. I like this one a lot. We played this a few episodes back. Remember when this guy was in Drummer Magazine? With that bass drum. Always rolling around. Always hitting it?

Yep. What was it about? Just hitting that bass drum? I'm sure he actually plays the drums as well. Yeah. Numbers three and two. I don't know if you guys want to keep going or whatever. Number three? Let's do it.

I think it's time that we... I think people are fucking ready to hear. Here's number three. You know what it is? Oh, wait a minute. Stop the presses. Is this person my enemy or not? I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He is. Yeah?

The artist is not your enemy. Are you remembering Tabs Out Lord? So the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The enemy of my enemy is my... Wait, what? So I wonder if Zach is enemies... If Zach is enemies with this person,

then they could be your friend. No, they're... Well, Zach's not... Doomtrip Records is my enemy, correct? Correct. Is our enemy. We're together. Oh, together?

You, I, you, I... And your axe, I have your allegiance. Yeah, you have my axe. No, Zach has been killing it with the My Bloody Valentine memes on Twitter lately stop talking about his memes he's an influencer he's still an influencer

three tapes this year on Doom Trip we're just going with this one at number three even though I give recommendation to The Prepared Piano and to Lord of the Shithouse which is a total blast this is a good tape they're all really good tapes maybe maybe one is going to also be on there but heijin jang at number three this

literally was the hottest shit of the year this was this had everything we wanted yeah this was a hot tape we played this a few episodes ago the um the one major long form on it our brief eternity is that's a really phenomenal just breakbeat crazy fucking out there cut then a lot of the noise on the album reminded me more of like a batshit approach to negative land of like just jam calming with kind of field recording collage art. Really good collage art. Am I reading this wrong? On the Doom Trip band campaign, why is the tape $31? By cassette,

$31. That's a bacon dozen. There's only one remaining. Baker's dozen dollars. There's only one tape left. At this moment, it's probably still there because it's $31. None of our listeners have $31. Joe

has it. I got money. What do you want? I got $31 in my pocket. Money ain't shit to Joe, but he don't listen to the show. What do you want? Yeah, that must be an artist copy. But hey, somebody pick it up because, yeah, or just get the other object that's there. This is definitely one

worth owning if you're really into that. Since we do have a history of this, can we at least spell Doomtrip incorrectly on the list? How are we looking at it? How do we want to do it? We've done it before.

Doomtrip could be funny. Doomtrip could be funny. Maybe first thought, best thought, but we got some time here. Let's get some wiggle room out. How about... I don't really know. Doom Shrimp is fun. It's got me thinking of shrimp that hurt you. Dookie Trip.

Dookie Trip. Dookie Trip is a long one because it's like, I want something that also is like, oh no, I didn't mean to do that. I'll fix it. I'll get Jamie to fix it right away. And then it's like, oh, I forgot the password. Doom Tripe. Doom Tripe is good, but also I don't even think I'm

I don't even think I'm a bitch. How about How about How about just leave one of the O's off of Doom so it says Dom Trip so you can't google it so if he so when his thirsty ass

goes to the list he just controls Doom Trip and nothing comes up and not realizing that it's just right at 3 and then it's just like nothing is on here from Doom Trip nothing and then he closes and goes back to Twitter and is like, what if the sleepy bear came orange juice? And gets a thousand fucking likes

from it or whatever. I don't know what that means. No one does. I have talked with him many times. I love that guy. He's a real one. And he's just a jock. Number two. Number two. Can you believe we're at number two?

Coming from our pals at Dindz shout out joe joe's been really on a streak with the label recently i have not heard this one yet this is two um this yes this is what people think mountains look like. And who's the artist? Maddie Barbier. Wow, that sounds like nepotism. Yeah. Maddie, that's your own name. Is there anything you want to tell us? That's your own ass name, Maddie. Well, I was spending time with my family.

Oh, my God. Do we have to say it? Do we have to say it do we have to say it again just happened to go over to colorado just swing you know an airplane trip over but um this was recorded at that giant silo that's out there yeah the tank center for sonic arts in wrangley colorado maddie barbie is doing just intonation drone do you know what instrument that is right now yeah oboe not close oh really no not really close oh saxophone trombone trombone oh trombone um here's he's actually a new name for mixing and mastering that people should pay attention to pay attention to west west borland what was it weston olanky weston olanky that is a fake name and you said

there's gonna be some stuff on um full spectrum next year from him or if not we're gonna see some stuff from the universe that he works with which includes tongue depressor and um old saw and you said this was recorded in a silo on a trombone i silo when jamie was talking about his girlfriend i'm gonna skip it ahead a little bit oh i was hoping it wasn't going to change at all yeah i'm a little upset did you skip ahead three hours? 15 minutes. I'm going to go another 15 minutes. How long is it?

Let me skip ahead to June 23. 29 minutes. One track? Yeah, one track. Geez, you're not going to get this on the radio. Hey, I have. Yeah, the FCC is coming for your ass, though. Three minutes.

And some vocals. A fucking... I'll lay down some vocals for it. Going to the beach, drinking beer, gonna hang out with my buds, gonna surf on the waves, gonna smoke some... I feel it in my... I feel it in my

I feel it in my toes And this is where This is where I wish Amon was here You see now If you put a spiderweb on this You put a goblin on this Like what is this My microphone sounds all fucked up by the way Yeah just shake it around i don't know there's something what is the name of this tape oh it's

when you were singing it's this is what people think mountains look like yeah if you call it this is what people think um borgott's mountain looks like And where his treasure is hidden. All right. We're going to do number one? We're going to do number one. Really? I feel like my microphone is so loud. Number one. Yeah, something happened to it.

It's a dual off. Turn it down a little bit. All you do is put that effect on it. It screwed everything up. Jamie, this is... Oh, my up. Put the effect back on and then did you try to turn it off and back on again? Blowing it. I think we got...

It's because I was talking about his girlfriend. We got a situation here. We got a situation. What is it? It's a tie between synthetic bird music from Moppa Records and Dr. Amy Cutler's Sister Time on

Strategic Tape Reserve. Oh, you got a tie for number one? That's the controversy. I think this is why, you know, we need, we gotta talk about this. Because Amy Cutler, who here's a fan? Who here's a fan? Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

Yeah, I'm a new fan. Oh, no, we got 15 minutes. We're good. Well, I'm also a bit of a new fan, too. But I've had the tape for a bit. I've been playing it on my boom box when I go to bed sometimes. Back during summer. Along with the Wetman Clements.

I thought Strategic Tape Reserve was, like, really having a quick little like eureka moment there it was good and this tape seemed to be the perfect distillation of a new wave of strategic tape reserve this is my tape of the year this one's my this one's it for maddie this one's it i gotta lean over here and get joe's microphone because jamie put a virus online mute my microphone because Jamie put a virus online. Mute my microphone because I feel like... Try yours one more time. Christ almighty. Yeah, it sounds perfect. Yeah, Jamie, this sounds perfect. Yeah, you did a great job. Look at the red light over there.

I'm not even close to it. Mute it. You did an awful job. I got you on Joe's. This is my tape of the year. This is it for me. This is everything i want in the tape i like the artwork i like the sounds like the story behind it using like the old recordings her old tapes it's everything that you want out of um cassette culture kind of i feel i've written a big i don't there's not going to be as much writing on the piece this year. There's really just this one essay

that's about a bit of the tape where I'm connecting with it on lines like that as well. Absolutely. Somebody on Bandcamp named Ryan said a beautiful, drifting, and cathartic listening experience. Is that you, Ryan? No, it's not me.

Ryan, did you get around to this one? No, I didn't right just right just say yeah just say that was me yes i did oh man how far ryan how far did you drift bro oh pretty far like a foot yeah that's tight so so what are we doing are we leaving it up in the air on what the number one tape is oh then this is this is why i think you guys are seriously sleeping on this and need to hear the absolute batshit insanity that is synthetic bird music on mampa records okay so what are you suggesting well right now i want to say that there are two labels that we've done a woeful job of playing music from

and covering. Warm Winters. Here it is. And MAPPA. And MAPPA's out both of them in Eastern Europe. Both of them in Eastern Europe. It's like a continuation of like Baba Vanga and maybe one or two of the other players out there

in terms of spirit of what they're doing. Music-wise, MAPPA's just hustling, putting out shit, getting a lot of great American artists, but this compilation of 32 mostly Eastern Europeans in this beautiful Riziograph package, already, like,

you want to talk about tape art of the year, that's Riziograph. Oh, it's awesome.'s from slovakia all right really deep stuff all of the music is again synthetic bird music so everyone was tasked in the same way like with the water i want to play a different track yeah like with water levels on kadiji last year make a water level. That's what I was just going to say. It reminds me of like a Khadija comp. It's all artists I've never heard of. And so what shocked me on the Hi-Fi Listen

is how beautifully everything went together. You have some really, really interesting ideas that I feel like are about 50 years of electronic music right in a cassette right now. So is this what knocks Mr. Tim aka your boy Timmy4000 off the list? Do we put this?

I have another idea. Hold on. I'm an innovator. Sometimes I get these headaches. I get headaches. I get migraines all the time. And my doctor has told me it's because my thoughts are so powerful. So I have this idea that we have a number one and then a number one and a half what do you think about that?

you still have to choose between the two you still have to choose which tape is better no, there's a one, there's a one, Amy Cutler Amy Cutler's the one I get to, come on Mike, I really like I really like what do you think about that

because also I think like I think Liss listen I'm a Gen Xer but I can keep up with the times you're a Xenial yeah you're a Xenial what's a Xenial cross between Gen X and Millennial

I thought you were just a straight Millennial. So you're like, you have the entitlement of a Millennial, but you also... But the power. Yeah, you also listen to tapes, so you're kind of like old school. Hell yeah, bro. Hell yeah, yeah, yeah. And I never once dyed my hair. I don't need to.

I look good with a gray. And like, I'm getting stronger, but my knees hurt. So I think like i i can innovate i can keep up with the kids and the kids are like like they see me they're like yo no cap mr haley what's your list like i'm like i'm like it was busted on god my list is going to have a 1.5. And they're like, damn. I don't know another one. That shit's the gas. And they're like, Pokemon, Mr. Haley. Also, don't forget, Mike, we're innovating with number five as well.

The entire vibe. The entire vibe. So what can we agree that number one is the Amy Cutler tape? Absolutely. Okay, so number one is the amy cutler tape absolutely okay so number one is the amy cutler table strategic tape reserve because if that lets this just also get to sit up there and perfect i really think you you all need to hear this asap or get the copy for yourself okay a few final notes a few final notes I feel like somewhere on that Clan Quartet tape, I feel like we need to have Clan Quartet, like, what number is that again?

Number three? Four. Four. I think number four should be the Clan Quartet tape, and then what's the next no-rent tape on the list? Next no-rent tape is at 44, Tim Gick, Body Without Organs. Instead of Tim Gick, body without organs.

Instead of Tim Gick, it should be the entire work ethic of No Rent Records. What does that mean? Tell me you never worked a real job before. No, Jamie. I said the work

ethic of No Rent Records. And Jamie goes, what does that mean? as he's like alright time to clock in to my job here we go let me just do this hands as smooth as a baby's butt because he never worked a day in his life so can we do that can I do that and then put

the tape name in parentheses where the label would be put something there that implies the work ethic of no rent records. Because I want people, I want younger people to look at this list and say, I saw number, I saw the thing about no rent records. That wasn't even just a tape. No cap. That list was bossing.

Pokemon, Mr. Allen. Mr. Allen. Mr. Allen. And then is there anything else? I think we should give Strategic Tape Reserve a special shout out somewhere. Yeah. Right now. Right now.

No, now's not the time. We'll do it later. We'll do it later. I mean, I do give them... I've written a paragraph saying it felt like Strategic Tape Reserve's promise had somehow been achieved in a new line of thinking that usurped the wry, cunning listening by learning series

without quite losing also the eye-winking and shenanigans of their early catalog heaters like DJ Volk or Shopland. There's still a real sense of wonder, haunting, and the sublime to Cutler's vision. True flow states that many things I heard this year were not attuned to. Compensational bliss. True flow states that many things I heard this year were not attuned to. Compensational bliss. I'd written that

little... Did you just make that up? Did you just do that off the dome? Maddie just did that off the dome. Yes, Ed. So that is written at the top of the Amy Cutler piece. Alright, well I think we are ready to publish this bad... That is written at the top of the Amy Cutler piece. All right.

Well, I think we are ready to publish this bad. Yeah, let's print it. We're going to print. Some of the links won't work, but, hey, that happens. That's Hollywood, kids. That's Hollywood. Okay. Just you'll be fine.

It'll be fine. The list is up. Happy New Year. Everybody ready to call this one? I'm ready to call it thanks to Angel Lexi Maddie Ryan we had somebody else didn't we

that was it I think right that was it just making sure episode number should we like say no thanks to no thanks to Keith no no no I'm gonna need a favor later

alright Thanks to... Oh, no thanks to Keith. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to need a favor later. All right. All right. Let's call... I've got a tape for the new year. Do you guys want to see a tape for 2024 real quick? What? That's impossible. No, that's impossible.

No, that's impossible. I got something. No. End the meeting. End the meeting. To be continued. End it.