Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Episode #202 | 11.27.24

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

Greg Davis hangs out a bit before going to work, plus tapes from Mareado, Hal McGee, Zigra, Greg Davis, Vernal Scuzz, Used Condo, The Dirty Sample, Tominsky, Peter Kris, and Lusterna

If I'm free to go, have a nice day. You're not free to go. So I'm being a... What happened to the clip? Temporarily. For what reason? What's your reason of articulate suspicion? Because I'm conducting an investigation.

Based on what? What am I doing that's illegal? I'm conducting an investigation. What's your reasonable... And my badge says that I can. What's your reason... Is that good? You want more?

You want to keep going? Are you kidding me? Keep playing it. Did you not listen to the clip? No. I'm conducting an investigation. I'm conducting an investigation based on a potential

security issue. Potential security issue. That's right. Until I see the tapes. I have right to see the tapes. And after I see the tapes... So you're going to entertain me until you see the tapes. Can you shut up? Tabs out. Why did that one make you feel uncomfortable jamie you don't like those confrontational type oh i just uh it went 10 seconds and i thought it was done no i didn't

listen to the whole thing i sent him this video the other day and i was like start off the episode with this clip and he responded ha ha that's why i assumed that you listened to the clip yeah i listened to the first 10 seconds you listened to the thought it was gold he's like this is funny that's what people want they send me a clip of their band hey check out my album listen to 10 seconds i say sounds good man yeah he looked at me after those first 10 seconds and was like good yeah did i do it no keep it playing oh man oh anyway it tabs out i like when uh they say tapes so many times in it i like when the cops say in the tapes when the cops play it again actually i wouldn't hear it again because you kind of ruined it for me play just that one just that part just the one part

all right i think under the what is your reason not this part no not this part based on a security issue potential security issue potential security issue that's right i've explained to you i see the tapes i have right to see the tapes and after i see the tape so you're gonna detain me till you see the tapes can you shut up long enough for me to oh man what episode is it yeah this is episode number 202 202 delaware road really really scary oh yeah big one too Tabs Out Gazette Podcast episode number 202 I'm Mike I'm Joe I'm Jamie

Jamie please oh my goodness will you really biff that opening up I was really excited about this episode because we got a guest coming up and everything

yeah and I thought we were going to be very we were going to be on our game we were going to be professional and on our game and right away you

is this the right sound clip Mike hey boss hey boss is this it i'm getting nervous whatever we got uh we got a uh a guest coming up you guys excited about this yeah i'm very excited we got who is it ambient artist greg davis greg davis from uh vermont he runs autumn records solo stuff has been putting out ambient music for quite some time now it's been at it for a bit and somehow jamie this will get you going he is the first greg davis on discogs can you i saw that yeah i noticed that yo yo yo yo how do you who

do you pay to get that we did it oh but anyway he'll be here with us uh in a little bit in the meantime and in between time you guys want to play some tapes i do i see joe b you have a should we mention this like silver what is this with the silver thing what is this silver cube and how heavy is that okay it's a more of a rectangle is a rectangle a cube or is a cube a rectangle the cube is a rectangle cube is a rectangle is a rectangle a cube or is a cube a rectangle a cube is a rectangle a cube is a rectangle yeah a rectangular prism I would imagine

this is a small rectangle packaged in like a silver foil it very much reads for the RF frequencies oh my god to keep out the RF frequencies that's a good idea that'll keep the tape when the police scan it or something yeah right you got any cassettes in the uh vehicle it reminds me more of some like some sort of space type thing yeah it does like something that would have came off the

the lunar uh module like our boys get back our boys get back if you believe there's if you believe the fucking space exists you're right it at least looks like one of the set pieces from the moon landing see i'm going a different route i think stanley kubrick filmed i think this was the time we really did go to space and our boys got back it was probably two guys and a chimp probably went out to space and when they got back they got off of the shuttle they're all like sitting there like oh you're giving everybody hugs and then this thing rolls out of the shuttle and no one knows what we got oh what's so funny the first thing says jamie please oh wow so we got fans of the show oh i don't know if i can um jamie read the text here jamie please kindly look out for a future super hot something chart topper to be called never stop talking over me with a smoking solo oh i can't read that word maybe i shouldn't be reading this anyhow

my eyes y'all dig this weirdo demo tape the nubs ain't too bad wow this is a deep rep we got a listener on our hands boy jamie did you send this over thank you for your turbo time love m ps what are some good bands bars what are some good bars in delaware what are some good bars when you were just talking about a bar weren't you oh that was in virginia i was talking about a bar in virginia that didn't exist a good bar like there's a couple different kinds if you want to just like drink good beer a jessup's tavern in old newcastle okay you guys ever been there yeah it's like from the 1700s yeah it's one of the oldest bars i got meatloaf there once yeah i had you saw meatloaf there i got a chicken pot pie so the food is like that kind of food it's old it's like it's old food renaissance what would you call it colonial colonial food it's billed as colonial the the people dress

in colonial kind of gar but it's not like going to medieval times it's a nice restaurant yeah number two i would say number two medieval times no but that's not a bar in new jersey what's another good bar i've never been there before i think that's a pretty good bar um there's a lot of micro brewery places just bringing back any memories for me from jessup tavern oh i like that one oh dogfish head if you're going southern delaware at the beach who is that where is this person from or who are they i don't know i'm still answering their question mike as as they were a kind listener and sent us this nice presentation they're thirsty they're thirsty for the attention i wanted to at least give them a

couple bars because they asked a question did they send any tapes oh maybe they meant rhymes oh give them a couple good bars my name is Jamie Amater to say. Okay. Spin some bars is really fun. Stop it. It's really fun. I thought you were going to rhyme say with a different word,

and I like that you. Jamie, please. I thought he was going to rhyme something too. So this is a little collage, 8 1⁄2 by 11 piece of paper. I believe this is Moredo. No K, no. Description, a trippy blend of experimental, post-punk, psychedelic noise and ambient sound collage. How do you spell it?

M-A-R-E-A-D-O. Now that looks like a proper collage on the backside, Joe. This is a proper collage. I know you decide what collage is what. Yeah, on the collage scale, it's high up high up there multiple things jamie your mom was speaking french to me the other night she told me i had a proper collage on the back so this is their whole um what do you call this jamie when a band sends their whole it's not a writer oh that's uh their press press junket junket press kit press kitunket. That's a word, right?

This is their whole press kit, which I'm not going to read the whole thing now, but it has their bio, their press releases, their metadata from all music. I was pressing some releases over the weekend. Their release. There's a hyperlink. We can try to click on it later. Okay. That links to their Instagram with release images. Okay. There's try to click on it later. Okay. That links to their Instagram with release images.

Okay. There's also a link to their YouTube. Okay. Their link tree and content. A link to the link tree. Oh, wow. Fuck, man. I believe they're from Los Angeles, California.

Oh, I said that already. Location. But I'm looking on Bandcamp. Oh, okay. And what's the name of this? We haven't even... Did they send any tapes? Oh, I didn't even open the box yet. Moving on. Jamie, jamie what do you want to play well i also have a piece of paper

and a tape but let joe open the box open the box there's multiple tapes in here i have a piece of paper with my name on it multiple yeah copies for everybody uh wow old school oh we know this mine says jamie on it oh what oh this says this says Maddie. Are they ready for Joe? Oh my God. I don't think there's one for me. Are you serious? I'm not playing it. That's fucked up.

Maddie. There's no Joe V one? Ryan. Maddie and Ryan. Ryan hasn't done anything. They want a review. And here's why I'm not going to play the tape. Okay.

Because this one says Zach. Who's Zach? Who's Zach? I'm not gonna play the tape okay because this one says zach who's that i'm not sure who's from doom trip i think zach used to write wait how do they spell it z-a-c-h that doesn't help on the y-a-s yeah so and that one says what this is jamie so you didn't get one i and i didn't get one is there anything else in the box no it looks empty what about is the silver paper for me i think uh based on the sunken cost fallacy we're required to play the tape no i don't think so all right i'm gonna leave like two minutes jamie okay two minutes do you want to do you just want to play it now and talk over it

no well so this is what i'll play just a couple minutes are they all the letdown are these all the same tapes it's all the same tape no k no moredo professionally packaged in syringe and so do you think this person give me a little something jamie did they oh i'm doing the wrong knob all You can't do this. We got it. Found it. Do you think this person asked ChatGPT? Yes. Give me four references for the Tabs Out Cassette podcast.

There's some references. And then ChatGPT doing the best it can is like the host of Tabs Out, Zach, Maddie, and Jamie often say, Jamie, please. And they all play tapes and what are some good bars in Delaware? Yeah. Son of a bitch. Zach, Maddie, and Jamie often say, Jamie, please. And they all play tapes. And what are some good bars in Delaware?

Yeah. Son of a bitch. They got me. That's good. I'm going to say, you know what? Can we vote if we're playing it? This proves to this, actually. From now on, I'm not playing tapes from the mailbag that have a snazzy packaging. It was a trap.

It was definitely a trap. Yeah. I mean, i'm still trapped i got i got stung yeah you know and you're allergic and i'm allergic you're gonna swell up i'm gonna swell up now okay but you are gonna play this actually to be honest i'm in a really bad mood who the fuck is the rest of the pocket who is that if it was if it said dave i'd let it slide i'd be like that's funny okay, yeah. Because at least Dave was on the show. Who the fuck is Zach?

I feel like Zach is somebody who's Maddie's friend. Okay, what does he have to do with this podcast? Oh, is that the person that does the radio show with Maddie? Yeah. Okay. Okay. And he wrote one thing for Tabs Out, two things for Tabs Out. And I didn't get one at all.

To your address, to your house. You should be more disrespected than I am. This came to your house. I have a very high threshold for being disrespected. You have to when you're treated like I am. Finish talking. That's not very nice. All right.

I don't give a damn. I have his return address. Should I read it? I don't give a fuck. No, I'm joking. I wouldn't do that, but I'm going to send him stuff, like a subscription to what are some fucked up magazines.

Rawmilk.maxim. Rawmilk.maxim. Yeah, mailing list there. All right, Jamie. Go, Jamie. Go. Okay. Play something that'll calm Joe down.

Well, Joe, I have another tape with my name emblazoned upon the tape, and this is a... And i have a piece of paper jamie you're not gonna like this poem this is a poem yeah this is uh you guys know hal mcgee oh hal mcgee old head been around for a while florida florida florida he's um he started making tapes in 1981 when I was born. Oh, really? Yeah.

I'm an 80 boy, so I was already around. I already had that. Yeah, me and Joe have been a little different. But he messaged me on Facebook one day. He said, what's your address? Oh, no. He said, is this still your address? And I said, no, I've moved. And he said, okay.

He wanted to know if Facebook was still your address? Yeah. Okay. And then he mailed me this in the mail this poem mail some mail art and then i said thank you hal i said that was great i said can you send me a tape so i can play it on the show hold on hold on hold on back up just two seconds the first package was just the poem was just the poem in like just a little mailer just a little mailer that's what he does that's what he does he is a male head classic primo legacy member yeah he has been doing mail old school mail it he's probably got stamps stamps yeah like a subscription no he

goes the no no he's going to the post office does he get the special ones no he's going to buy them one at a time too which is kind of weird you should probably just buy him a book of them oh all right so then go ahead so then he sends you this tape that I'm holding right now. Yeah, and it's a personalized tape with my name on it that he recorded on Halloween day just for me. Jamie. I'm sorry, Jamie. I just remembered something.

I keep talking, but this other release that they sent us, which is the one I'm mad about, they did say the nubs weren't too bad, so I just want to see what the nubs were like. It's just a standard nub. Yeah, it's got nub, yeah. You got nubbed in. It's got nubbed in.

All right, so now I'm holding this tape that he sent you. Yeah, I mean, this is kind of a long poem. I mean, me and Joe kind of like AI. Maybe Mike can read some of this, because Mike doesn't like AI. No, I'm not going to be reading this. I don't need AI is the name of the poem. What is this, Comic Sans?

It looks like Comic Sans to me, yeah. I like this picture of him. We need to take a picture of that. No, I'm not going to read all this. I'm just going to summarize the poem. He doesn't like AI. This is his quote. I've been making my own bad art for more than 45 years.

So he's been doing it longer than you guys have been alive yeah i'll do just a couple cheat do a couple bars do a couple bars do a couple bars i don't need ai to plink plock my two-string pink dumpster guitar i don't need ai to drink my coffee i don't need ai to wipe my ass don't say the nasty one why'd you go right to the nasty one i wanted to end on come on don't do the dirty one end with a pretty one nope does he oh man this jamie this tape i've never seen um this style of max lc30 well of the communicator series right i've never seen the communicator series have you not to my recollection so this i believe is like uh yeah different uh oh

wow this is the communicator series the communicator series i'm not joking this is maybe it's for voice only like a voice grade tape it might be yeah he's very lo-fi it's a maxell professional and communicator so it is professional one of a kind audio cassette letter for jamie orlando jamie wow and have you listened to it yet i listened to the whole thing both sides and he did record on both sides wow audio correspondence yeah and he just kind of walks around talks to people trick-or-treaters are coming into his door he records some of that for me because he's wearing oh so on the cover he's wearing his halloween costume which is a he's a cassette tape oh look at I'm assuming, yeah, and he's got his little micro recorder

in his hand. So he recorded field recordings on Halloween. Did they consent to being recorded? Haunted field recordings. You can't record. You have no expectation of privacy. Do you guys think, I'm really thinking about this. I think I might send him a letter back

I think you should In a tape But I only have C60 blanks at home And that's going to be twice the amount of work I can get you something I can get you a hold of Yeah I got a C20 at home You need 100 C34s

Yeah I probably got 100 C20s at home And cases too Jamie if you want those This is cool that's a one of a kind thing It's also cool that it's a one-of-a-kind thing. It's also cool that it's for you because it's field recordings. And Jamie is a big field recording guy.

He's a big head. He was telling me the other day, he was like, I like, what were you saying about field recordings? You like ones with like

birds. It was with like natural sounds. Insects, wind. Big sounds from nature. He was saying, he was calling them big naturals that he likes.

I think that's what he was talking about. Give me fuel, gimme fire. Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which I desire. Alright, now do I need to find a tape with your name on it? Yeah, you do. Because I probably can. Really? Um, no. I throw those

away. I could play a tape by you. You could make this a whole Jamie block. Man, I don't know. I don't know what to say I'd be honored you know what Jamie can you find anything no Jamie pick it what would you like to play Jamie

I'm going to let you pick one this is a compilation tape that I put out that I'm also on and we can play my track it's kind of a fun track it's a tribute to Stick Boy that I did a couple years ago. And I actually, it took me forever to do my track. Mine's very edited and multi-layered,

and it took me like a year to finish it. Yeah. God, now you really want us to really play it for you. No, I can't wait to hear it. Because I've never listened to any of the stuff off this tape. Yeah. This is a tape you made for a local fella yeah local outsider punk rock type crust crusty what would you call him yeah i'm not

crust punk he well he's one of those guys that exists outside of a one defined genre of being a thing you know because like i could say crust punk with a dog to mike like i saw this crust punk with a dog yeah and you exactly know what i mean he has like a nausea patch yeah but a flap maybe a beard dreadlock maybe like one long dreadlock in the back that's like a specific so frank is definitely kind of crusty yeah yeah yeah but he's not a crust punk but he's also not just like a punk dude you know he's his own but if i also told you that yeah yeah if i also told you i saw a cross punk in that movie labyrinth right then you'd have a then you'd be getting closer you'd be getting closer you'd be getting closer getting closer kind of

more goblin goblin so what i didn't say that well no fantasy is what i was going for okay so uh what is your track on here what what it's the first track on the b-side first track and what stick boy song are you covering a stick boy song or are you inspired by i'm covering it was all covered this is a tribute album it's all covers he didn't die people that were asking when i put it out when you die when you put him on the cover with the angel wings around him yeah yeah that really heavily implies it's called nativity and frank a tribute to stick boy I thought he was dead. Just so you know,

the correct answer when I said what tape you want to play is like, oh no, I'm humbled. No, I really want to hear it. Alright, so yeah, we'll get into that. We'll get into this from 2020, right? Is it really that old? That old? Time just keeps moving on.

Alright, let's do these and then we'll be back with greg davis uh Okay. I'm sorry. I'm not gonna sing a song about what I know And what it's like to see A single body part somewhere And what it feels like to be I'm not gonna sing a song About what I know And what it feels like to be I'm not gonna sing a song About what it feels like to be

I'm not gonna sing a song About what it feels like to be I just wanna know how you feel I just wanna know how you feel I just wanna know how you feel I just wanna know how you feel I just wanna know how you feel I just wanna know how you feel I just wanna know how you feel I just wanna know how you feel I just wanna know how you feel Thank you. I'm sorry. See the world, see the world's my city Feel my heart, feel my heart

Feel my heart, feel my heart Feel my heart, feel my heart Feel my heart, feel my heart Feel my heart, feel my heart Feel my heart, feel my heart Feel my heart, feel my heart Feel my heart, feel my heart Feel my heart, feel my heart

Feel my heart, feel my heart Feel my heart, feel my heart so I'm sorry. so Hello, Jamie. Stanley and I are out for our first walk of the day. It's about 1.30 a.m. on Thursday, October 31st, 2024. That's right, Halloween Day. And this is a one-of-a-kind audio letter and talking tape cassette just for you, Jamie Orlando, from me, Hal McGee, in Gainesville, Florida, USA. Jamie, I recently started this one-of-a-kind audio letter project after participating in an extensive interview conducted by Blake Wertz of the Copy This Cassette zine,

that interview will appear in the second issue of Copy This Cassette, which is going to come out sometime in November. In any case, based on the discussions that I had with Blake, I decided to take on this new challenge of creating one-of-a-kind audio letters. You know I've got like three or four hundred albums on Bandcamp of stuff that I've released since 1981. and CD-R and some even on microcassette. So I decided I needed a new challenge to really get down to what makes interaction between artists so special. I think that artists need the interaction between themselves and other artists more than they do for any kind of public or impersonal listeners who just like buy their stuff.

I mean, hopefully, people who put out cassettes try to have some kind of personal interaction and give and take with their listeners. To me, this is the biggest strength of the cassette is its direct and potent interpersonal connectivity, that one-to-one connection between one person and another. It's a very intimate format, the cassette. Now, I think that this is its greatest strength and, in my opinion, its greatest relevance in 2024. Yours is the 25th audio letter in my new project. Now, I have recorded many of these audio letters on cassette, and just mailed the cassette directly to the recipient. But there have also been many of the audio letters that I've recorded on my trusty Sony

stereo digital dictaphone, the ICD-PX470, and then I transferred the audio letter recordings from the dictaphone onto a CD-R. By the way, I am recording this on a handheld, battery operated, Sony TCM200 DV cassette recorder and I am recording it on a Maxell communicator c30 cassette makes sense that I would record an audio letter on a cassette called a communicator, right? Right. I'm a man Do you think I'll keep you alive? Do it all, I must survive Will you watch how I thrive? Society is good

Anarchy and so is it Tidal to the right And finally society I've been searching How will I survive? Society is crucial Energy is so unsearchable I'm sorry. Thank you. I'm sorry. okay uh we're back We had Moredo With No K No

Hal McGee, one of a kind cassette letter For Jamie Orlando And Ziggra From the Nativity and Fracture That was a Ziggra track A very Jamie heavy block Jamie, you got it all out of your system Got it out of my system

Put your ego at the door Who was that? I don't know, someone popped in I heard but a tiny little different laughter And I believe that is because we have with us Greg Davis, Greg, how are you doing? Hey guys, what's up? Not a whole lot

Thanks for popping on over I know you have to go open up your record store soon And we're really running behind What happens if we keep you too long And you just can't open it up is that going to financially wreck you yeah i'm done man yeah okay i mean sunday's a big day everyone's off the the nice thing about being an owner is i can just like open whatever the hell i want you just yeah you just put up a sign that says be back at two o'clock and then you can is there going to be people at the at the door waiting for you?

I mean, sometimes there are. Those are like Punishers who are like, yeah, I got to drop off my Kenny Loggins records to sell. With Messina or without Messina? I need a Beatles record, you know, or whatever. Stat. No, sometimes there are, but not usually. It's pretty chill to to start things off but

what kind of they're busy because i i mainly know you as like an ambient guy you're out there you're recording the leaves you're recording the birds um used to do that i actually don't record the leaves and birds too much anymore no what happened yeah used to do a lot of that i don't know i got away from like field recording um because i used a lot of it in my work like you know probably when i first started so i mean i've been making records since like 2000 i guess now so um i kind of moved away and moved more towards like uh you know pure tones and and pure music and not layering it as much but pure moods pure moods yeah it's all about now yeah so what is the record store you it's autumn

records that you're running up there like what is like the main focus i'm trying to get a an idea you're in vermont you're like an experimental musician What kind of record store are you running? And what is the general vibe? Yeah, well, I mean, since I'm in Vermont, I can't really have a specialty store. I've got to have a little bit of everything because there's not many people live up here. And then there's not that many people of that group of people that are into weird music. But there's enough um so i have you know i carry everything like classic rock and pretty much every genre is is like represented but i do have like a a pretty obviously have a really sick like experimental electronic section just

because that's the stuff that i love and and then um like big jazz and avant-garde stuff too so free jazz and um so i stock like the stuff that i really love but you know i gotta sell like taylor swift records too and stuff so totally do you get like being up in vermont do you get a lot of outsider weirdo experimental stuff like going through that way like on tour and stuff or does it not typically make its way up there yeah not really man i mean i so i've lived in uh burlington for 20 years now actually it's just crazy um i just realized that and um pretty much when i moved here there was like nothing going on and i realized the only way there would be like weird or cool shows here is if I set them up myself so I've been setting up shows since I've moved here um so you know the nice thing about being in Burlington which is a you know fairly small college town is that if you want to do something you can you know you can just

like find a venue and put on a show and it's not like usually a big of a hassle so um and since I opened my shop like almost eight years ago, I do in-store stuff at my shop too. Hell yeah. Which is great. I just texted Jamie a question he's going to ask you. Yeah, if you were stranded on a dessert island and could only bring one instrument,

what would it be and why? I thought you were going to ask me which dessert should I bring. Well, okay, the dessert would be profiteroles what's that what's that i take those my doctor gave me those for my blood pressure um they're like these like cream puffs uh they're kind of like pastry cream puffs with chocolate on top they're crazy all right um but wait what did you say what instrument but what one but what one single instrument and why i mean i would bring a laptop man i would need power yeah i need power you need power yeah shit um man i'd probably be an acoustic instrument that didn't require electricity it probably would be a harmonium oh nice and why just because you know

you can like drone out to that you know all day long but then you can also play with your keyboard and no that's a good one yeah against the ocean waves the resonance and the tone of it's really nice you know and then i could just like meditate or whatever actually the the correct answer was a piano so you can turn into a boat and then you can come back oh shit um but nice try you did a good job so you got this tell me tell us a little bit about these uh full spectrum tapes yeah man so um kind of long story short i i actually put out the the first the first cassette tape i ever put out was in 2009 on digitalis um and it was called full spectrum so it was like uh kind of like my homage to like classic ambient new age kind of stuff and so you know Brad Brad Rose put that out back then and I basically you know was working on the series and then I kind of

put it off to the side for like quite a few years and then probably about five or six years ago I kind of picked it back up again and started working on some new pieces in the series they all sort of employ a similar process and technique and stuff so um but in the past like year or two i finally got four of these pieces kind of like finally finished and over the finish line so i decided to um well this is the funny story i sent i sent the pieces out to like like, tons of labels, and it was just, like, fucking crickets, you know? Like, I don't even know how any of this stuff works anymore. Like crickets on the recordings?

Like, you were back in that field recording bag? No feedback, yeah. Oh. Yeah, like, I don't want to release a tape of crickets. What are you talking about, man? Yeah, just, like, I don't even know how, like, label stuff works anymore, you know? It's just, like...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I hear you. Yeah. Um, so anyway,

you know, I basically, I decided to put out, um, full spectrum three dash seven on my label, autumn records. I don't know. Did you guys get a copy of that or never showed up to you?

Never showed up. I might've sent it to my address. I think I'd say the digital, but I'll send you, um, I'll send you um i'll mail you a physical and still have some left hell yeah and then the guy from blue tapes um he was like the only one who got back to me yeah there it is i'm holding it he was the only guy that got back to me and he was he was into putting um these other two pieces out on a cassette so

um super nice guy and and like you know you've seen those tapes they're super cool yeah super cool packaged yeah yeah did it concern you at all did it concern you at all that like um full spectrum kind of uh implied like all of these colors and then you're tied to just blue on blue tapes. Hey, man, that's his aesthetic choice. So he, like, you've seen the series. It's, like, it's literally blue tapes. Everything's blue. Oh, on this label, yeah.

No, we've played stuff from this label before. It's, like, a UK label, right? Yeah. UK label, yeah. Yeah, he's from the UK. So I know. He basically just sent me, like, 10 images, and was like, pick which one you want for your cover.

So I, like... Is that how the blue tapes process works? That's the process getting a little Inside baseball We're doing some inside baseball today On how blue tapes works What are the other Processes of this? Did you get any other

Choices? You know they're all like Kind of semi Abstract blue images that was my favorite one because it was kind of like cloudy and nebulous you know nice that kind of fits the music so um yeah but he also wouldn't let me title the tape full spectrum uh five six because that's the that's the pieces on it yeah did that piss you off 53 or something like that i can't remember oh i see yeah they're all Did that piss you off? Blue 53 or something like that. I can't remember.

Oh, I see. Yeah, they're all like that. And you know what? That's always... I've always kind of had a... Excuse me. I've kind of held a bit of a grudge against blue tapes. Because I don't like the catalog number being the title. Yeah.

Did you... But those no... Because if it's on the shelf, it just say like well the spine's got nothing on it there's nothing on the spine so don't get me started on that you know maybe we shouldn't play this no no no no yeah you file it and then you just have absolutely no idea what it is because you can't tell what it is so how many what's the what full spectrum are you going up to is there a number you're going to get to no it's a it's a pretty open-ended uh you know series um it basically is it just uh kind of revolves around this like process that i use to make these pieces and so i can kind of input any any material into

it and make kind of build up pieces from it but i think i'm on i think full spectrum seven is the newest one and then i have eight nine ten and eleven kind of like sort of mapped out or but you know this is this is like music that i do all sorts of music so it's kind of like whenever i feel like working on some like really lush like beautiful ambient music i might dive into that and then i'll go off and work on something else like you know really abstract computer music or i'm actually working on a um on a hip-hop record right now which is nice nice um that's going to come out next year i've been working on that for like a year um production i'm not rapping on it but i'm producing oh never mind man i got so

excited because jamie was spitting some bars earlier i wouldn't believe um have you considered doing one of these tapes on the label full spectrum oh with andrew weathers yeah yeah i know andrew um he actually said that that the he said that the label name was actually maybe slightly inspired by my first full-spectrum tape Wow imagine having that kind of sway no I haven't I haven't approached him about doing it but my pitch Andrew's a sweet dude I love him yeah Greg my pitch and Andrew if you're listening when you're done with this maybe like maybe like some kind of box set and it's fullest spectrum and it's on full spectrum oh so wow

fullest the last that has to be the end thing yeah yeah like a five tape box set or something i'm just noticing now too, we were talking so much shit on blue tapes. You're wearing head to toe. You got blue on, huh? You are, you are looking like a blue tape.

Jamie, please tell me you got a screenshot of that. I can't, it's all too far. All right, Greg, well, we're going to let you get going,

open up that store. I'm sure you got some assholes outside with like, uh, you know, some, uh, Beatles LPs to let you get going, open up that store. I'm sure you got some assholes outside with, like, some Beatles LPs to sell you. Hell yeah. But yeah, well, do you have a preference on which spectrum that we play off of blue? Blue 53. Let's do side B, full spectrum 6, I believe. Alright, I'll rewind it.

Alright, man, again for for popping in yeah thanks next greg peace peace jamie hell yeah so uh i'm glad we got to the bottom of some of this blue tape shenanigans because i have had like secretly i'll come in here and like i'll see them and i'll just like kind of give them like a i'll throw my brow at them what was the one greg greg davis tape i played before that was described as like hippie wall noise oh i don't know that sounds interesting though hippie wall noise i wanted to ask him but then i couldn't remember i didn't want i didn't want to embarrass myself you got so shy yeah it was it was described as like and that was i think more of that field recording stuff like layered field recording so it was just like hippie wall noise i'm pretty sure it was called hippie wall noise and then he used to do like a like a blog and he posted links to um obscure new age stuff you know

he was just here right yeah but yeah i didn't while you were playing on your phone playing i didn't actually play on my phone you were freaking playing mint and candy saga or whatever you know you know i don't have a rapport with him, but I have a rapport with you guys. The thing I dislike about Joe is we'll be doing... Jamie has to cut all this out. Joe's playing phone games, and it's always like, Capture the wizard. Capture the...

Bing, bing, bing, bing. Sorry, I have to get... You know, if I don't get 20 coins a day, I lose my subscription. Yeah, then they steal your... You gave them all of your information, your personal information. You're going to play that Greg Davis tape, right? i'm gonna play this yeah greg davis it says blue tapes 50 whatever i'm calling it greg davis full spectrum five and six thank you very much and we're gonna play six i guess so i guess we're winding it the tapes do look fucking tight oh they're beautiful they're

get out but i think what's the point of the label not putting anything on the spine not naming it that naming convention that you don't like is that really forces you to get in there and look at what you got and it's that's their thing i appreciate that they're they really want you to like if you're like oh shit i want to listen to some blue tapes i don't even remember what i have uh-huh then you got to take it down you got to open it up you got to look at the artwork you got to work you got to work it's a project it makes you work i understand the point of no it's an art piece it's very important and some labels exist to release music by artists and kind of like make that like each one is its own release and some labels, especially in the cassette world,

are more of like the label itself is one cohesive piece. Yeah, is the piece. The label itself is the piece. Wow. Wow. It's amazing what these people. I take the art. It's amazing what these experimental people can do.

Okay. So I'm going to play Vernal Scuzz. And this, again... Is that an Ernest reference? Oh, I don't know. Vernal Scuzz goes to jail. I think this bookends the high art again with a nice, you know, white tape,

handwritten, Sharpie, Vernal Scuzz. Yeah, looks like shit. Looks like shit. Sharpie. Vernal Scuzz. Yeah, looks like shit. Looks like shit. I know. Just like got a little black and white collage cover of a witch maybe. And this is a band. Vernal Scuzz, La Dore. Jasper on vocals, bass, zithers, and words.

Mika on vocals, horn, organ, and circuits james on drums walker on guitar juliana on vocals and chance on guitar that's so crazy because i you guys know this i do my vocal warm-ups before the thing and i say jasper is in vernal scuzz jasper is in vernal scuzz jasper is in vernal scuzz and when i was on my phone earlier, I did go to their band camp. Vernal Scuzz emerged like a wet, hot, electric creature hissing in the night on their first release. Somewhere between proto-punk and primeval ceremony. The music is highly charged, rhythmic vehicle for navigating the murk of media litter. Give me fuel, give me fire, give me that which I desire. Yeah, I don't know where they're from.

Jamie, do you know where they're from? No. came why would i i don't know oh alabama yeah alabama art punk huh all right how about it it came with this zine but it when i cut the envelope open i cut this oh it came with a zine or like some sort of like art uh i like how you save the little ribbons though yeah well you know in case anybody wants to put it back together for me it came with a little art zine oh this is nice this is punk as shit i saved the little ribbons, though. Yeah, well, you know, in case anybody wants to put them back together for me. It came with a little art zine. Oh, this is nice. This is punk as shit. I like the little drawing on the cover, too.

There's like a little witch or something. Like an eighth grader's notebook on the inside. They drew the V because they learned how to draw this cool V. I like how this is a cool little multi-colored paper collage zine with some doodles. I do respect how they have the v and it's off center this cool drawing of a v and then they were like i can't do the rest i can't do those other letters oh yeah yeah yeah yeah because i got the serifs on the v pretty good i don't then they were like i don't want to they're like jasper don't ruin it maybe they measured it and it

wouldn't have fit it wouldn't fit because he started too much close to the middle it's like what my daughter does is like she starts writing her name and then she's got to go like put the last two letters on the next line i've done that on flash sheets where i didn't space my last name right then i had to put the h like way over here um what was i gonna say oh the the zine kind of reminds me of uh i don't know a little black dicey kind of oh like old school black dice uh collage like after the punk period but before the the rizdi years you know you know they put some colored stickers on top of a thing would you go to like can film festival to see black Black Dice, The RISD Years? Yeah, I would. I would too. A 45 minute documentary.

Yeah, I'd watch that. Hell yeah. Somebody should make that. I've only seen Black Dice once and it was like one of their first shows at Nine Fest. Like they were like the, like punk. Oh yeah. They had the guitars, the bass. The guitar and the bass.

They were like a screamy punk band. I've seen, I've. And then someone threw a bottle and it hit the singer in the head. Oh, he fucking liked it. I bet the free. free so they they only played for like like two minutes yeah that's that's one side of a seven inch of them i think that's a that's a decent set length that's the only set i've ever seen of theirs but anyway vernal scuzz by the time i saw them they were all sitting down they were sitting down yeah they're sitting down yeah fuck that shit what are you gonna play alabama art punk art punk yeah. This is on Sweet Wreath.

I love you, Sweet Wreath. I have a tape. It's a little quiz I'm going to give you. Used Condo. Who is that? I have a Used Condo tape. Yeah. I did.

I think I know who this is. I definitely, I think we've played Used Condo before. I think this is Larry Wish. You are correct. Oh. Correct. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah this is a 2024 tape but it is a reissue of a 2011 tape on a different label so bumpy just reissued it

and it's super good so i'm not sure if it can't go on the tabs out 200 uh i can't go in the running oh it can't go on the running this is a reissue is that the great gatsby on the cover what is that the great gatsby is that the cover of the Great Gatsby? I don't know. I don't read those kind of books. This is, oh, this looks cool as hell, man. Use Kondo. And this is on Larry Wish's label, Bumpy. Bumpy.

And there's a three paragraph summary of the history of this tape that you can go to the band camp and read all about it. I'm not going to read it. A lot of word heavy stuff today. Yeah. This episode. Poems. Yeah.

We're going to have to speed things up. The press kit thing. Oh, the junket? The junket junket oh my god the junket had so many words in it domestic an interview a lot of words this i don't know a lot of talking killer imprinting on the shell just the the simple black on the clear looks real tight oh yeah all right so you ready play these tapes yeah yeah let's do it Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The The The The The The © BF-WATCH TV 2021 I'm out. ¶¶ I'm gonna say Oh no Oh no Blue and red Red and blue La la la Eat that Eat that

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um so so Christ to Revelation 13. Thank you. Thank you. © BF-WATCH TV 2021 I'm going to destroy it, kid. I'm going to destroy it, kid. I don't know. Oh It's the same old system. It's the same old system. It's the same old system. It's the same old system. It's the same old system. It's the same old system. It's the same old system. It's the same old system.

It's the same old system. It's the same old system. It's the same old system. It's the same old system. It's the same old system. It's the same old system. Did you take a oath upholding the Constitution of the United States, man? Are you aware that this is a First Amendment right? Greg Davis, you can't get over that. Greg Davis, Blue 53.

I'm calling it full spectrum, five and six on blue tapes. Vernal Scuzz with that Alabama art punk, I think it it was self-titled on sweet wreath and use condo domestic i went to heaven a reissue on bumpy which brings us to our final block does anyone have any regrets anything they need to get off their chest no well too scary i'm mad about that first tape so mad about that first tape uh all right about that first tape. All right, Jamie, you want to start off? Or what do you want to do? You typically like to end. He's an ender.

Well, this, my tape is the end of an era. Oh, so let's go at the end. The end of an era. I'll go first, and then you, and then him. Okay, that sounds good. I'm going to play this dirty sample tape, Beats to Murder Rappers 2. Beats to Murder Rappers 2.

Is that the preposition? Okay. number all right i got a question yeah how do they spell beats and how do they spell rappers and how do they spell two they spell two with like the russians do okay number it's it's in cyrillic with like a capital b it's like a it's a it's a reversed two okay upside down okay yeah and beats is it like the root vegetable it is it is no it's not that would have been funny It's a reversed two Okay Upside down Okay Yeah And Beats Is it like the root vegetable? It is It is No it's not

That would have been funny On Han Solo Hell yeah This came in the mail A while ago And you left it That label's your baby Joe It is

I love Han Solo Yeah This is a beautiful tape This is a crazy tape Bling tape going on there Bling tape What is that? So we got a...

I got something to compete with that, by the way. The cover is like two monsters boxing. Oh, too scary. Like Godzilla versus King Kong. Just talk it out, guys. Come on. No, I think it's a T-Rex versus King Kong. A little doodle drawing.

But then, what is this? All over printing on the tape with a glitter shell? Whew. Mama mia. I've never liked the glitter shells. You don't like the glitter shells?

I've never liked the glitter shells. And I got a shell that I'm gonna, when I play my tape, Joby, you're gonna wish you never even brought

that to the table. Really? Yeah. Because how do you top this? I can top that. This is nice, nice, Jamie. Look at this thing.

I'm gonna look at it. Actually, look at it, too, because usually when I hand stuff to you, you just hand it to Mike. I'm look at this yeah i want to look at it actually look at it too because usually when i hand stuff to you just hand it to my i'm looking at my computer and then the code for this episode give me a little respect and look at it i'm looking at it say something nice no it's very nice yeah i noticed jamie jamie please i noticed two colored inburning on there too red and Red and black. Red and black. No, three-color. Red, black, and white.

Yeah, I mean, I'll give you that. It looks nice. And is this, what, a compilation you said? I can't remember. I guess so. You know what? I'm just looking at the tape, so I didn't look it up on the interwebs. Beats to Murder Rappers Part 2.

It just has track names, and it doesn't say if there are rappers on it. Yeah, I'm on Bandcamp. And maybe is this the beats, the instrumentals to tracks that he's produced for other rappers? I'm not sure. Well, I'll tell you what. It says, get this beat tape as it's meant to be heard

on cassette. On cassette. That's what you're doing. Boom. This is the way it was meant to be heard. Don't listen to it on Bandcamp. Nope. Yeah.

And Hal McGee would tell you that the same. It's interesting that it's meant to be heard on cassette, and they only made 50 of them. Yeah. So it seems like they're forcing most people to listen to it the incorrect way. Whatever. Right. Whatever.

Whatever, brother. Well, you can buy... So top that. Well, I just want to say real quick you can buy han solo's digital discography for 441 dollars and 46 cents canadian that's cool i got that my little pocket and that's 30 off all right i'll follow up that with a a tape on a label out of philadelphia called hold. Just all caps. Oh, they sent us a bunch of stuff, right?

There's a sticker, a HOLD sticker, too. There's a HOLD sticker. HOLD. Oh, you know what else they sent? A shirt. What size? I sent you... Medium.

I'm not a medium boy. You did send me something. You sent me a photo. It's like someone chasing a keyboard with a hammer, trying to smash it up. Yeah. It was a very funny shirt. Yeah, very funny. I meant to wear it today, and I forgot.

But this is the label of Alexander Tominsky. Alexander Tominsky. Does that name ring a bell for any of you? It doesn't. No. Alexander Tominsky pulled a little feet. A prank? Who could that be?

It wasn't. I guess it was kind of a prank on his digestive system oh like like like that guy that only ate mcdonald's for a month oh you're talking about he's dead now but he was uh supersize me supersize me frank supersize me this is this is very similar okay he uh ate 40 rotisserie chickens in 40 days. Oh, I definitely remember this. I follow it on Twitter. Why? Why did he? Why 40?

Yeah, because of Jesus. I don't think it had anything to do with religion. No? 40 days and 40 nights? I think he just had 40 extra chickens from Wawa. In the desert, Moses led the 12 tribes of Israel. Okay. Actually, this is starting to ring a few bells. I do think that's what it was.

But nights actually meant years, right? Yeah. I know he... Enough. We talked about this before. We'll take this for our Bible study class afterwards. Get the Torah. Well, yeah.

He ate the last chicken on a pier in South Philly while playing, oddly enough, The Streets of Philadelphia by Bruce Springsteen. Fuck yeah. Which is a fucking wild choice to make. But he has a label called Hold. One of the tapes that he sent is a solo tape to Minsky in Bog.

And let me show you this show. Put your hands down. It's coming. Well, I don't have my glasses on. And I feel like there came a point where all of the tapes on this label the first few don't have this but there came a point where his very unique interesting logo is cascading full imprint this looks like pop art it looks like pop art op art it's covering op art optical

illusion art with the you're talking about making a thing up it's a real not art. Optical illusion art. With the... You're talking about the Campbell's... I'm not making a thing up. It's a real... Not the Campbell's soup. With the Campbell's soup can. I know about art. No, that's pop art. Pop art, yeah. No, op art.

Not you, pop art. And then flip the other side over. So the other side just has one little imprint. It's a smoky shell. This is a nice... Yeah, pop art, like this stuff. I don't... If I stare at it long enough, I'll see the Campbell's soup can or... This is nice. I don't if i stare at long enough i'll see the

campbell soup can okay or this is nice i don't think it's better than the other thing you don't think it's really but it's very it's the same technique the all over but it's very nice this is very nice good presentation i like it you don't like how it's kind of like i don't know the name of it but if you looked at it it kind of fucks with your eyes like an optical illusion magic eye magic like like an art that's optical it's very nice wow i don't think it's better i like the window uh there's a little painting of him on the cover here yeah i recognized him but yeah i didn't know his name yeah you've seen him yeah because i followed him on twitter he got a lot of followers and i don't think this is a painting when he did his last chicken i forgot something i forgot something

jamie can you make it to your phone beeps every minute? Manipulated photo. Yeah. Okay, do that right now. Yeah, I was going to say in honor of him eating a chicken every, a rotisserie chicken every day for 40 days, I was going to eat a saltine

every minute while we talk about this tape. Oh, dang. Oh, Jamie, these saltines are so disgusting. Oh my God. They're not new. Oh, they smell.

I can't swallow this one. I can't do this anymore. How old are these saltines? Well, they were in the pantry and you can see it. God, don't take a picture of me. I feel disgusting. I was going to eat all of these. I can't.

They're so dry. This morning I said, Megan, do we have any saltines? She said, oh, I see them some at the back of the pantry. They're at the back of the pantry? Oh, my God. This is disgusting. Oh, they taste like mildew.

It tastes like... Oh, hold on. I'm sorry. Well, this is a digestional challenge for you now. Well, I'm done with this. This is not a joke. These taste like the gum that come

with Garbage Pail Kids. Oh, smell these. I'll try one. I'll eat one. I'm not going to eat one. You can't. You have diabetes. That's a timer.

Yeah, smell those. No, Jamie. Those are old. Now you have to eat one and so does Megan and your wife when you get home. How can...

And film it. Crackers don't go bad. Eat one. Crackers don't go bad. Put the whole thing in your mouth. Put the whole thing in your mouth right now.

No, don't do it, Jamie. Oh, he got you. What's it taste like? I see what you're saying a little bit. Maybe you don't have the palate for it. It's like one of those stinky cheeses. Yeah, well, maybe, yeah. There's a bit of a taste to it. It's a bit of a sharp taste. That saltine shouldn't have.

I'm telling you, man, this stuff will poison your mind. Some of the artists on hold, they put tapes out. Pool, Pool, Blind CC, Dave Public. They're pretty bad. It's awful. Yeah, these are bad. I got COVID-20 from eating that cracker. The crumbs are everywhere.

They're all over your windscreen all right so i'm gonna play uh what is it in bog in bog by tominsky it's hold number 10 is that going to end the show oh no i got one no jamie's got it yeah i got some he's gonna bookend he's yeah backload so there's a end of an era. Era. Okay, I got to pee, but I'll wait. Yeah, just wait. And I'll also have you know, they mailed us one of these, but I had already purchased it because I was excited.

Jamie was pissed earlier. Yeah, I was like, I spent money on this thing. Did you try to get a refund? Yeah, I'm going to flip it. So Never Anything, great label. They've been sending us stuff for years.

They are done. Done. Great job. See ya. Over. Great label. They've been sending us stuff for years. They are done. Done. Great job. See ya. Over. See ya. Another one with the ducks. But they put out a batch, four tape batch.

Robert Eggplant, Lustana, Tarascova, and Peter Criss. Peter Criss is the final tape. Never Anything 91. They did it in the classic double. I love these. Norelco case yeah and um you know who better to end your label than peter chris is this the second death of a valley is this the second double cassette from peter chris in that kind of packaging on this label i know there's at least one more because i feel like i might have played it there There's one called No Vision. A lot of tracks on this tape, Jamie.

No, No Vision's a single. Yeah, there's a lot of tracks. 34. Well, German Army and Peter Criss are very prolific. They're all titled. Let's see what never anything is. Why is this label stopping, Jamie? Do you know anything about that?

Sometimes you just gotta... Sometimes you gotta... Oh, yeah. They're not stopping on a good number, 91. Oh, that's weird. Yeah, there's another double Peter and Chris called Everything Pue-Pasuelo Brought to the Table. Why not stop on 90?

90, yeah, 91. I guess that last batch, you know what happened? They weren't going to have Peter and Chris, and then he got back to them late and said, I'll do it. And they're like, okay, fine. All right, all right. And who did you say? I'm sorry for making you repeat this.

I have cracker disease right now in my brain for me and Hacker. I get all stuck in my teeth. It was Peter Criss and who else? Robert Eggplant. Robert Eggplant. Lastana. Lastana.

Tereshkova. Tereshkova. And Peter Criss. Lastana, part one. That was never anything number one. Oh. That was the first release came out

September 28th, 2015. Okay. So, I don't also now understand why not end with that one end with it well i do have it right here this is one that's actually in the mailbag oh right no i'm saying not why not let me see that label why not label that 91 right i don't understand why you would make so many why you'd fumble the bag at the goal line maybe they didn't remember. 91's a lot of takes. You got a legacy.

Maybe they don't care about numbers. You got a legacy. Oh, please, numerology. Please, numerology, angel numbers are some of the most important things. Don't talk over me. Don't talk over me.

Son of a bitch. Don't talk over me. All right. People hate when you talk over me specifically. All right, Zach. I don't even want to say, oh, God.

I'm not even going to say what I had to say now. Go ahead. What are you guys eating for lunch later? You got any good bar recommendations? You got any good bar recommendations? So you're going to play... What are you playing?

The Peter Criss or the... I mean, if you want, we can play a little bit of both of them. Let's get a little bit of both. You want to end with a little bit of both? Yeah. Because did you play... Mike, you didn't play any multiple tapes this episode. No, I didn't.

So let Jamie have the floor in the episode this has been jamie's episode jamie deserves an episode episode number 202 jamie's jamie's jamie's little buddy there you go you know he does a lot of hard work he deserves the spotlight for okay you know just this once who's listen i appreciate you who is listana i don't know you know what's funny it's right on my Discogs right now. I looked up a genre called Donk. Donk? Oh, I have heard of Donk.

Donk or Hard Bounce is a sub-style UK hardhouse featuring an upbeat, energetic sound. That's what was on my screen. That's what you were just like. Yeah, I was looking it up. Looking up new genres of music. I want to get into Donk. I want to get into Donk. I have heard of Donk, actually.

It's what's real. Yeah, Donk's real uh listana their discogs page is pitiful they do not have uh any bio uh let's go to the band camp no information whatsoever that's just my i think this was an ambush mike he knew what a prank well I like a good prank as much as the next guy so we'll do this we'll end the episode with Never Anything

in all seriousness very nice label put out some excellent stuff all their tapes if you didn't get around to checking them out go there and check them out now they're all like

it's another label like we mentioned earlier about blue tapes where the label is in within itself it is the piece. Never Anything was another label like that.

I'm just scanning through their band camp. They had a great run. Really good run. And just visually, it's nice. It's like an optical illusion. It's like op art. Op art? Yeah, with the Campbell soup. Alright. Bye. Thanks right. Bye.

Bye. Oh, thanks, Greg Davis. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, Greg Davis. Beats. Chill. Murder. Rappers.

Send advance parties immediately. I've now established humans high in protein and easy prey. Thank you. Thank you. For Christ's sake, answer the goddamn phone. I don't think we're competing enough for this job. so You guys alright? This is the closest we can go. You guys alright? Yeah. This is the closest we can go. Look. uh You guys alright? Uh, yeah, yeah. You're a stranger in town, aren't you? I'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. so Thank you. I'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you. © BF-WATCH TV 2021 Thank you. I'm going to go ahead and get back to you. Thank you. See the ticket chance Came on Sunday Something I can't explain

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