Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Episode #204 | 1.17.25

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

Mike, Joe, Jamie & Matty discuss and refine the Top 200 Tapes of 2024. Guest visits by Delaware Dan, Scott Scholz, Liz & Dwight from Crash Symbols, Eamon from Strategic Tape Reserve, and Mari Maurice. Tapes by Chinese Cigarettes, Graphics, Rainbows Made Of Meat, Carrie DeCunzo, Angelwings Marmalade, Budokan Boys, Goodbye Ranger, Stylianos Ou, and ---__--____

I so good jamie mers mers bow what is a mers bow oh um oh mers bow is a person okay that's so weird dabs out cassette podcast god i episode number 203 203 204. 204, actually. 204, Mike. I'm sorry. 204. Cut, cut. Hold on. I made my first mistake of the new year. Hello, guys. Well, I didn't do it. I wasn't able to do it again this year. Do what? You guys know that, how every year I try to do a kickflip

over the ball at Times Square on New Year's Eve. You didn't do it? Well, it's the same couple of problems every single time. Well, it's the same couple of problems every single time. One, there's too many people. And they got the diapers on, too. Well, I'm dressed up as Baby New Year.

I got the big diaper, the pin. Like they used to do. I got my baba. I got my binky. And I got my skateboard. What's your baba? Your blanket? Versus a binky. A binky is and I got my skateboard. What's your baba? Your blanket? Versus a binky.

A binky is the sucky... My baba is my bottle, and I have Monster Energy to drink in it, and I'm going to do... And this is the year I'm going to do it. This is the year I'm going to kickflip over the goddamn bottle. You've got a real oral thing going on, huh? Between the bottle and the binky? So there's too many people there. So there's too many people there.

There's always too many people there. I need a long runway. Long runway. Straight. That ball's way up there. It doesn't look that high up. At what point do you try to kickflip over it? Don't you do it at the end when it's at the bottom?

What do you do? You're doing it at the beginning when it's at its apex? Mom says she's got the minivan parked down the block. We've got to leave at 1030. 10 30 so i gotta be done by then so anyway there's too many people there and also when i finally have a spot kind of open and i can do it there's always someone there's always one time it was dick clark actually but there's always someone who says, He's skating Goofy Foot! And they make fun of you? And they make fun of me.

So I didn't do it again this year. It's the 14th year I've tried. But this is a new year. I'm not going to let that get me down. I'm going to go into the new year. I'm Mike, by the way. I'm Joe. I'm Jamie.

Jamie. We said the episode number 204. 204. Special episode. It's a business episode it's a business episode this is our yeah this is the time of year when that's why i asked you guys to wear episode i asked you guys wear suits today i'm glad you did yep jamie i didn't say like the whole thing with the uh the cut out ass on yours because you're always so chafed i'd rather not i cannot tell you it's confidential but we're going to make the list we have to make the top 200 list of tapes um manny mcpherson who's in charge like the grandmaster of the list yeah of the list like kind of like has the key that unlocks it

is supposed to be here is not here at the moment well who else are we going to have on the show today oh should we should we give that away yeah i don't think we should just because what i think we should what if they all drop out what did they all bail oh we got it we got it mers bow we got uh the guy from purient uh oh jimmy and that's canceled um we could just start off i have a stack of tapes here of shit that you're getting us canceled. Don't do that. We could just start off. I have a stack of tapes here of shit that... You're going to play all those tapes? I didn't bring any tapes. Oh, that's...

I'm not going to play them all. Oh, okay. I just have a stack of tapes here. It's my comfort tape. It's like my baba. And I thought... This is some selections from last year? Well, this is some stuff throughout the year.

I noticed Maddie had not put on the list yet. And maybe some late late late comers things that just showed up like a late yeah like a december yeah like these are late bloomers joe you know what it's like i was in high school um hold on i got alex homan calling my my phone number oh it's personal phone number yeah which is which is alex uh, you got the wrong number. It's Delaware Dan calling. I got some information for you. How are you doing today? Well, good.

Do you want to join our Zoom call instead of my personal phone number? No, he's good on the phone. Because you can't hear our samples. He's good on the phone. I think whatever's clever for you guys. He's good on the phone. This is our lawyer, Delaware Dan. Can you hear me, Delaware Dan?

I can hear. Is that Mike? Yeah. So that's obvious. I'm talking to Jamie from Jingle All The Way, correct? Yes. All right, because I'm on the IMBD right now, and it says Jamie. So I just want to make sure that's who I'm speaking with.

I got some information for you guys concerning tape law and this supposed list that we're still waiting for it to come out. Do you have time to speak about this? We have time to speak about it. Jamie, you got the phone by you. Yeah, you got to do all the legwork here. Okay. Come on, jingle all the way here, Jamie.

He can hear us. Jamie, please. I'm sharing a microphone. I feel like I'm doing a duet right now. What tape law you got for us, sir? Yeah, all right. So pretty much section three, ban on deceptive urls and improper use of intellectual property should be unlawful for secondary ticketing ticketing

exchange or recent sorry this is the wrong i got the wrong thing this is the fan first act which you should go to you most to figure that out. Basically, you know, the year end tape lists, you know, a lot of fans were respecting this to come out at the end of the year. It's now the beginning of the year. So I don't know if it's nullified and void. I don't think,

you know, there's a, there's a definite gray spirit. He's the lawyer. Yeah. So that's the debatable part. And also, you know, I do get it. 2024, kind of a rough year.

I just figured everyone was on Santa's naughty list and didn't deserve a list. So we just wanted to kind of clarify this for the deposition. No, we are. There will be a list. We're going to be working on the list. We're waiting for Matty McPherson to show up to help us with the list. I do want to ask you, there is something on the list here that it's it's number 200 alex homan tom stoner self-release tape uh do you know why what what about this would make it go

to the all the way to the bottom of the list did it did it stink something up or something um yeah no i don't know about that one uh my client has not been communicative with me uh but yeah there's uh you know uh there has been complaints that there's an absurd amount of silence at the beginning of certain albums okay we're playing it right now that's that probably explains why i'm not hearing anything yeah it is so you gotta fast forward it's about halfway and then the good news is uh it's a self-rewinding tape when you get to the end of the tape flip it over it's already rewound so it's kind of a confusing technology i can see that dropping at several rungs but that's legal it's it's legal but barely uh you

know i don't think it was made with the intention of being any higher than honestly 169, I think. So it's kind of in its target range, 169 to 200. That's kind of, I'm surprised it's on the list at all, honestly, because it was done kind of rushed that we know of. But yeah, it's just... Well, what's a piece of advice you can give us for making this list? What do we need to know going into it to keep our asses, especially Jamie's got this big red chapped peach. It's really

kind of annoying. We want to keep them out of trouble. What can we do with the list to keep us safe and to keep us kind of cool? We could litigate to extend the grace period to include the month of January, which would be, I guess, the situation that's currently going on, is my understanding.

And, you know, I know it's been a busy year. We've all been busy dodging our phone calls from our Sweetwater reps trying to check out our, see if our RCA and quarter-inch cables are doing how they're doing. And, you know, it's just, and we still haven't even eaten the sweet tarts that they send. So, you know, between ducking sweet water and you know it being a bad year in general astrologically in the chinese calendar if you look it up um you know it's just you know and the other thing is that these cables they get broken you know three times at least because you know all scored is uh you are shattered because these boy shows keep turning into karaoke nights that turn into Creed and Nickelback.

Kids singing, these kids are born after 9-11. So, you know, they got to be present. You know, maybe next year you could just don't put Tony Stoner on it. Put one of these kids born after 9-11 that don't even know Creed. Put them on instead. Good advice. It's good advice. Matty McPherson, I believe, has just entered the chat.

I'm a huge Creed fan, by the way. I was just listening to... Were you born before 9-11 or after 9-11? I was just listening to Human Clay a month or two ago. I was born before 9-11. One of the young youngins. I can have my CD.

That's what I say in terms of tape law. If you need anything else, you call me. 302-66-69. You know the phone number at this point. I don't need it. Just call Delvedere.

No problem. No problem. Thanks for calling. Thanks for all the help with all the legal advice throughout the years. Yeah, you know, next year, let's push for extending that grace period. It could go in either direction. You could do the year end in November, for all I care. That would be good.

I haven't considered that. Now my eyes are going crazy just thinking about it. I think it's really, really scary. Alright, we gotta get down to real business here. Bye, Delaware Dan. Bye, Delaware Dan. Love you, King. Maddie McPherson.

You're late. You're late, kid. You're late. This is important and you're late. Dude, I'm getting to shoot my ass out here more than I lie. Dude, I'm getting you to shoot my ass out here more than I do at work when I'm late. Oh my god, I bet it looks like Jamie's

friggin' scabby red peach. Jamie, please. Let's do this. Let's get to the list. What do we need to do with the list? Where are our guests? Jamie, you should be getting us some guests. Who do we want? Who do we want first? You find someone. Matty, let's sum to the list. What do we need to do with the list? Where are our guests? Jamie, you should be getting us some guests. Who do we want?

Who do we want first? You find someone. Matty, let's sum up the year. How would you describe the 2024 year in tapes? Chaotic brilliance. Oh, wasn't it? Oh, my God. I mean, in classic kind of fashion here at Tabs Out,

we didn't really write them a lot. I had to wrap up my masters and i was a little just kind of under the weather we'll say but um i actually ended up buying probably about 75 cassettes we're getting 75 tapes from this year and doing a better job mentally of keeping up with a few things going on on other sites so we gotta figure out a way to stretch 75 tapes in a 200 i got some great news for you though let's hear it you got a secret weapon because you know i got a master's degree and i know a doctor dr peter jake woods okay eggheads i also know a couple of uh guys in delaware that are really good at hanging out and just kind of keeping things going. Mike, I have an associate.

Like Jaime, Bojay, and Mitt from Spools Out. Spools Out. I want to play a little game. Jamie, maybe you have some game music. Joe B.

I'm like a chicken with my head cut off right now. I didn't bring my dice. How many tapes do you think you played on tabs out how many tracks from tapes did you play in 2024 in 2024 how many tracks did i play so if i played it an artist and i played two cuts from okay i phrased that poorly i'm sorry i phrased that poorly i'm sorry sir oh my god you know i'm in the game so i need to know the rules i know yeah no so like if you played a compilation and you played two different artists from it i would count that as two but if i played one single artist but played two cuts from the record that's one that's one baby oh jeez louise three did i play three huh how many think you played in this year? This year? Yeah. Hmm.

Six. You played more than that. You played 28 tapes this year. Really? 28? 28 tapes this year. Do you think it's a lot or a little? No, though, you know what?

I should have multiplied my six by three. Get your calculator out of your body. Okay, my main question. 28, yeah. Yeah, that was one more than 27. Yeah. There were four labels. You played a total of 23 different labels. Oh, I did play 23 different...

23 different record labels. That's interesting. Thank you. Because I thought... I figure I play like a lot of the same stuff. Four of them, you played multiple tapes by this year. Yeah. Hand solo. Give me the four... Hold on. Oh, good. Hold on. Give me the four. Okay. of the same stuff four of them you played multiple tapes by this year yeah hand solo

give me the four i hold on oh hold on four okay jamie where's that goddamn music yeah give me a little bumper i had to be the four labels yeah all right hand solo that's one that's one of them who i asked to join us they didn't respond um already dead oh wait i didn't make it bold yeah name one of the five actually no no yeah already dead yeah oh oh okay that's two wait what's now one of the five because you said no no no we're it's fine okay go you got two more two more oh i can't even think now two more oh um are you sure the mid mid-air guy. 100% bootleg. You only paid one tape on that.

Do I have a lifeline? Jamie. I call Jamie. On his personal cell phone. Death Bomb Mark. Death Bomb Mark. I don't think so. None by Death Bomb Mark.

Matt, do you want to take a guess? Oh, let's give a good shout out to our friends at Crash Symbols I'm sorry only one tape on Crash Symbols Only one! The other two and you're going to feel like a spanked ass Bonding and Fantasy Audio Magazine

That's what they were and the one that you mentioned What did you mention? I mentioned a hand solo Oh you mentioned what did you mention i mentioned a hand solo i mentioned oh you mentioned a hundred percent bootleg well here's a tape and maddie this isn't on the list yet i noticed by chinese cigarettes oh i love chinese cigarettes they're really salty chinese cigarettes the name of the tape is salty on a hundred percent oh that's a little tape bootleg because oh you know what's out of season? That's a little tape.

This is the same size as every other tape, Jamie. What are you talking about? I think, oh my God. I'm talking about density. My hands are getting bigger. The density. I'm looking at the density too. I agree with Jamie. Yeah.

It's a blue sparkle shell, but you can see inside there, there's like almost no tape. It's, I don't even know if there's. It's your meat on the bone. There's no meat on, there's no. You got no meat on your bones, Gabe. There's no gabagool on this thing. But you gotta eat. I got a tape.

I wanna show the real quick to the screen. Well, hold on, because I'm not done. Wait, excuse me. You're a guest in my home. There's a... If you look at this tape, look at the tape

and then look at the inside of the J card. It's a picture of the tape. I couldn't even tell what you were doing there. I thought you were holding up two tapes. So when you take the cassette out, it's a prank. Oh, it's still there. It scares you a little bit.

You started creeping me out. Throw this on the list. Where are we going to plop this? I think we're going to plop that at 101. 101. Wow, that's fun. Very generous, Matty. It seems to be something.

Are you writing something there right now? I think Matty. It seems to be something. Are you writing something there right now? I think Matty's in the holiday spirit still. I'm in the holiday spirit. Absolutely. It's still Christmas for me. It's coming up for MLK Day. I get in the spirit. And we'll play that Chinese cigarettes then. What tape were you talking about that you wanted to show to the screen?

You know, I like to keep up with I always mispronounce the tape label from Africa, Naji Naji Tapes. Yeah. You guys know them. And they had, see, here's the thing. Killer fucking year when it comes to vinyl. Those guys love to shaft cassette, but then they kind of don't.

Because here's three of the tapes they put out this year. And one of the tapes is like top 10 worthy. This is like some real shit. 100. What is it? Oh, it's DJ Anderson. What is it? Yeah, it's DJ Anderson's Pariso Sombrillo, Sad Paradise.

Oh, yeah. Well, let's just say that. Can we just point out that is that's number 10 on the list. That's number 10. Number 10 on the list. Number 10. that is that's number 10 on the list that's number 10 number 10 on the list number 10 um reason i'm like all in on this one is because vocally i just love the vocal takes sound wise um it seems like we are all moving off bali funk and i kind of appreciate najee najee for sticking around and getting one of like the more atmospheric this could be on ECM in a better universe Manfred

Eicher's like hey I'm producing this now and he's like all in on Bolly Funk but these other ones um the one on my right hand here with the big case the three hands of Doom from Scott's World I'm just a big fan of that packaging. I really love that. I got the DJ Anderson. How do you say it again? I forget how to say his last name, but Pariso's Home Rio is the name of the tape. That's cracking the top 10. That's where we start the 10 out.

I was thinking that could be at 10. I mean, it's really tight. Let me see here. Let me put it through. let me put in some of my calculations yep it works it fits wow oh huge um at 101 again chinese cigarettes and the name of that is salty yes yeah i'm a hundred percent bootleg we got the man and also i wanted to throw i got an email about this one the other day do we does anyone know about this is a band jamie and hold on let me just read some bands let me

just read some of the instruments to jamie to see what he thinks about them guitar no please it was only just guitar fucking queen black sabbath budgie Awesome stuff right here. We're talking about Soprano Sax. Really? Kenny G. Baritone guitar. Oh, baritone. A little deeper. Bass and drums.

This band, we're talking about a Chicago unit. Graphics is the name of the band. We're going to want to put this one on Lurker Bias. Oh, we got to have some more. That's fucking beautiful. Lurker biased. Oh, we gotta have, we gotta have some more. Lurker bias, a new one, the great,

unconfusing by graphics. It's Jamie. Do you think with those things, the soprano sax, the baritone guitar, all right, what are they going to do? Well,

you got a high one. You got a high instrument. You got a low instrument. Uh huh. So you got, I don't know is there anything in the drums are in the middle i guess right uh-huh i don't know where i'm going with this you think they're going to do any jazz good theory you think they might do some jazz on

this one i think they might be extending their technique god only hope so but i'm throwing this graphics tape uh whatever right which by the way the graphics on it are all I don't know if they meant to do this the graphics are kind of cool I mean what a very interesting thing for a band named graphics to do it's very meta let's throw that do me a favor Matty yeah where do we need that

156 you got it please put that 156 and then we're going to go into graphics does anyone I don't know if anyone has any other tapes that they want to play i'm ready to play some from over here well you brought the stack i mean about the sack well i live here my stacks are always here i mean my i've got a a cassette suitcase here but i don't know if i can get it to you in time no no no we won't be able to do that. If I add my 3D printer. There you go.

Somebody get this man a true. You know what? Then the last thing I want to go into in this block, we'll do a block of three. Wow, I didn't think we were going to do it like this. Like a block of three? On a business episode. On a business episode.

It's kind of like when the Christmas party is going on at work, but it's still a work day. If the phone rings, put down the cup, answer the phone. Does anyone remember waste management recordings? Yeah, it's familiar. It's like a trash-based label. Oh, yeah. Was that from your stink pile or whatever?

No, no, no. But it was in the same block, right? It was not. I referenced it. I referenced it i referenced it we played which by the way going back to that stink block wait why is 69 blank here i had 69 filled in maddie oh 69 would probably only be blank if um we know what it is isn't it it's the fart tape right absolutely fart the only reason it's probably blank is because of numbers above it that kept pushing it to not be filled in so we'll make sure that's filled in okay i got it no this is part of that stink block you remember that fart tape i played fart and uh

what was the other one it's something with trash yeah something with trash i don't know and i was like there's that label waste management resources Records or something like that. I can't remember. Stinky. It's so stinky, stinky. This has a sticker on it that says 18. Did you pay $18 for this tape? Man, I don't. You don't pay for it when you get it for free, brother. Get out of here. That's right.

It's just Waste Management Records. And there's two tapes we have here by them. You all can pick what we do. There's one that's waste management radio broadcast number seven right the other one is rainbows of meat i would of meat of meat okay i'm leaning towards the rainbows of meat tape no it's rainbows made of meat rainbows made of made of meat yeah well let me change my notes you gotta hit that hold that. Hold on. Get into my system. So that implies a maker.

Yes. A maker of the rainbow. Filled in with meat. I don't know too much about... That's like, you know, when you used to get roast beef and it has that shimmer on it from... From Arby's? From Arby's. Come on down to Arby's for our rainbows of meat.

Double-decker sandwich. I'm going to send these both to you, Maddie. Not physically. I'm going to tell you what they are while we're playing them. I'm excited. Let's get into this block, and then hopefully, Jamie, you're in charge of guests. All these guests are ghosting me. You're guest management.

We got Eamon Hamill from Strategic Tape Reserves over in Spain telling me that he's at his kid's birthday party right now. Oh, give me a fucking break. So tell him to just call for him. I think he's trying to make some arrangements, but I can be empathetic. I have children. I'm not sure what the laws are over in Spain, but if I'm at a kid's birthday

party, I'm calling the shots. I'm calling the podcast. One question, Jamie. Is this one of those rooms that closes after 40 minutes or are we like a full, like, hey, we're going to... No, it's going to close. But I think...

Jamie's got this thing where he keeps saying it's going to keep ending, but that could be funny. That could be funny if the podcast keeps getting fucked up. That's our gag. Guys, guys, guys, I got a funny gag. I can't figure out how to use Google Meet all the way. How many minutes do we have left? And then I get diarrhea after the episode.

Yeah. Stop talking about your butt, man. Yes, it is one of those episodes where it's going to expire. Yes, but I think since you joined so late, I think it extended our time. I think the timer doesn't start. A little extended technique. A little extended technique.

Do you want me to join, Jamie? Is that the cheat? Every few i got game genie didn't you used to change the date on a computer program i had jess you can't do that with google i had jess paintbrush yeah that's 1.0 and it would all it was a 30-day trial and you know what the technology wasn't there to stop me from setting my calendar back every time I wanted to open it. For years. I'm not learning Photoshop. All right, let's play these first three.

Hopefully we'll have a guest when we get back if Jamie knows anything about his job. And Maddie, I'll send you a new meeting link, okay? And then maybe we'll open this package from Maddie McPherson. Really? Wow, a little tear. Oh, that sounds interesting. Oh, I hope it's a knife and I stab Jamie. Ooh.

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missed opportunity by not spelling it with an x oh i i assumed it was an x no you thought it was yeah x r a p h i c yes uh-huh yes the great unconfusing on lurker bias and then rainbows and these rainbows i'm telling you the entireurker Bias. And then rainbows. And these rainbows, I'm telling you, the entire things, they're made of meat. The rainbows are made of meat. Royal Sweet Cantabile on Waste Management Resources. And ding dong, who could that be? Matty, you're back with

us and we have a new friend in the studio. Is that his ID? That's my ID. I've got his identification right here. Scott Schultz. Yeah. Hello hello how are you doing i'm great how are you guys doing oh you know what's up motherfucker we're just we're just having a bit of a business episode trying to make this list and uh you you are definitely someone who we thought would be helpful. You're very smart,

very cassette tape. Very cassette tape. Excuse me. Please. You put out a banger this year, didn't you? I hope so. I hope it's a banger. Oh, well, let me just tell you a little.

It's a... A lot of folks are telling me. Yeah. I mean, I'm looking. Figures and ground on already dead tape. I think we played earlier. Figure. Figure singular.

Right. Yeah. Figuring grounds like visual kind of testing, like visual orientation and stuff like that. My eyes are going crazy. Yeah. We're throwing that at number nine. It's zoomed in. Number nine on the list.

And we just wanted to get your hardcore reaction to that. That's awesome. And kind of, you know what, can you start off, tell us what you think about it, but start off by going, oh, motherfucker! Goddamn, that's great, man. Well, I heard the tape just finally after getting back right at the end of December. And I think the one real tasting note I got was a lot of shells.

For where you were shooting with this tape, it reminds me of the work of that guitarist shells up there in, oh goodness, Michigan. Michigan. Okay, cool. And the artwork, I got to say, for sound- sound wise and all that the complete packaging you came in at number nine that artwork or is it number eight i think it just changed the list is up the list has become sentient and it's changing right oh it's in the top 10 it's in the top 10 but also that artwork going dumb dumb on me dumb dumb mode who my gosh tell me about he's you know he does a lot of work for

already dead and and uh so evan does like um he he's also a musician uh bass player in chicago area um amazing musician as well one of my favorite musicians and um yeah his art is just incredible i mean it's you know i i had kind of pitched the general idea what i was thinking about and it's just like exactly what i was thinking about, and it's just exactly what I was thinking. What did you pitch? What did you say exactly? I kind of pitched this idea of somebody hovering in a vortex kind of thing. So it definitely has a hovering in a vortex kind of thing,

and the person is even trippier and more like this ethereal, liminal, astral person or something. I don't know. It's even trippier than I would have anticipated, but it's perfect. It totally fits. This is literally the worst thing I have ever listened to. What was his name again? Who does the art?

So Evan, he's a man of many names, as we see a lot in the cassette world. He's one of the people that has like a whole bunch of different nom de plumes so let's say Evan I guess is probably the most common one I think we just call them plums in America right? he's one of our, well you know like our friend Dylan from Field Hymns

and who does so much art for so many different people too and is also a person of many different band projects across many different labels too yeah i think he kind of outed himself um about two years ago was it that he announced what projects he was in and stuff too and i was the only one that didn't know everybody else knew and i didn't change please right right well evan so far has not um outed himself for all the projects necessarily so i don't want to totally get him out there but if anybody is interested in him doing art um definitely have

him get a hold of me and i can i can put you in touch and stuff too because he's super interested in doing you know more artwork for more labels and stuff too and um he's super great to work with he's really easy to work with and comes up with great ideas and he's a perfectionist and yeah he's really cool sounds like it'd be difficult a perfectionist. Yeah, he's really cool. Sounds like it'd be difficult. A perfectionist? Yeah, a perfectionist. I have to go through you to get to him?

I can't even call him? Contact me, and I'll give you a four-digit code. Scott, you got a rough top ten of tapes from this year? I could probably make one pretty quickly. Yeah, I brought a few tapes over here with me. I think that last Peter Criss tape, which I guess is going to be the final Peter Criss release, I thought was a really good way to go out. I heard that same thing.

It's the final Never Anything release. I'm not sure if it's the final Peter Criss release. I think it's both. I think German Army is also done. Jamie's the last one. He hasn't sent German Army, but also he hasn't sent me a yearly package of uh the materials so yeah yes i just i just wish they would have done more recordings right i mean there's only like what 150 a couple thousand but that was a banger and yeah and shout out to never anything we played what that and that listerna tape were their last two releases there was three in the batch and i

forget but listerna was the very first one on the label but then they weren't the last yeah which is really yeah that kind of bugged me what else what else you what else sticks out from the year for you oh let's see um the angelina's marmalade tape I thought was really killer. What a trippy tape. There's all kinds of crazy stuff going on. Which one are you talking about? Angelina's Marmalade, Fire Tool's side, I guess not side project, but another project. You're talking about

Rectangular Prism of Shitty Eyes Volume 7? This one's As the Motherboard Watched Back. Strategic tape reserve. Really good tape. Now who's ass is Motherboard Watched Back. Oh. Strategic tape reserve. Yeah. Really good tape. Now who's ass is chapped? Let him.

Hold on. Hold on. I have some left field ones here this time too, for sure too. So have you guys heard about, there's this new label, which I think is just called Copy This Cassette. They just put out right at the end of the year, this Ergus von Licht tape that's really cool that has a Lincoln connection to the person behind this is a person I know from this area. Yeah, he has not put anything out for like a zillion years.

But Copy This is actually a really interesting thing that you guys might be interested in. It's also a zine, which if you guys haven't heard about zines, they're kind of like a podcast on paper. It's a very interesting idea. I found actually, just so everyone knows,

I have the Angel Wings Marmalade tape here as the mother of the watch back. Assuming that it doesn't have like a smoky shell and like a little red sticker on it you can't read because that's what was near the case. Okay, good. I do want it. Okay, yeah yeah so we'll

definitely be playing that um yeah i'm gonna pick up a tape here and scott i want you to try to with the instruments in the room around you tell me what you think it sounds like okay um how about we have a tape here on a label called hold a philadelphia label this is a philadelphia artist named carrie di kunzo okay the tape's called loam it's got trees on the front okay this was it's hold number nine this was a new tape let me hold it to the camera hold it to the camera this was a new label for me in this this year i fell in love with this label because they sent me a shirt and I don't have many. You're a real global man. They're real, uh,

pro tip for the, uh, people out there in 2025. I need socks and shirts. So what do you think before we, we'll play that tape, but what do you think it sounds like? Oh boy.

Is that, so is that cover like printed on like a transparency? That's a good question. That's an excellent question. The shell is a full print. I'm not sure if you can see it. It looks gorgeous. We're talking about a glossy cover stock.

It's scored. The inside has full printing on it. What is that, Joe? You're a bit of an outdoorsman. What is that? Wheat. Wheat? It's got something like sorghum

or wheat. No, I think it's sorghum. It's sorghum on the back? Yeah, sorghum. Wow. You plant that. That's like a bumper crop. There's a bumper crop inside, Scott. Okay. And what do you think that sounds like? So we've got some rural vibes, but it's from Philly, you said? Philadelphia. It sounds like a real

paisan, a Cary DiCunzo. Okay. Okay. Alright right so we've got to have some sort of like some neo-folk stuff kind of mixed in maybe some eiderdownish kind of sounds um he's listening to work this is amazing downish kind of sounds i like that thinking in terms of label yeah i'm thinking... What's he going to do? Maybe some... Don't tell us. Just do it. He wants you to play one of your instruments. I just want you to start doing it.

I don't think I understood that. We're making him play for free. He's going to expose you. How about we grab... What the hell is that? That guitar is a freaking square with a license plate on it oh it's beautiful something like that maybe yeah it probably sounds exactly like that

right okay how do you that's probably it now we don't have to play everybody's joining at the same time. Who's knocking at the door? Who came in first? Who's that? Crash Cymbals. Crash Cymbals. Cymbals.

Of course. Dude. That they're ghosts. You got the song too scary. I don't know. We're troubleshooting that. Crash Cymbals is here. Our favorite West Virginia label.

That's right. Did Jada Scott's song just end? I don't know what to say. Once Through the whole thing. There was a label. Stop that right now. Is that Dwight and Liz I see? What dimension

are you in? What dimension are you currently in? this is a very eerie uh too scary if you ask me too scary did you now how many tapes crash cymbals how many tapes did you put out this year you tell me right now just prodigious uncountable unknowable i think it was like four right that's about right okay so we got like what that's mommy daddy little brother baby brother and big kid big sis right so who's who in the tapes you put out nuclear okay it's a very nice we'll bring up our reference what have we got we've got kosei ame we've got Kosei Ami. We've got Leiter. We've got Man Ray.

We've got Jessica Zambri. Did Paradise of Yesterday happen this last year? You guys seem unprepared. You know the podcast is going on right now, right? We're never prepared. There's no preparation. Paradise was last December.

Yeah, exactly. That awkward realm. Bookend in there, yeah. We've got another one at NAC, but we have to talk to them about the imprinting. Okay, let's get to the bottom of this. What's going on with the imprinting at NAC? What are they doing? What's the problem?

Because it's already pissing me off. What isn't the problem? What isn't the problem these days? Well, seemingly, they would act like there's an enormous problem we've done weird imprinting many times and it always looks great but there's always a tremendous hullabaloo that's a very it's a very understated one there was no waiver for that one what are you holding up maddie i'm holding up muav muav so what's the problem these they don't want to do certain color inks on certain color shells?

There's an embargo on this? If it's a certain level of complexity, they'll wring their hands about it. And it makes it very hard to determine where the actual threshold is because we've never noticed any decline in quality with the complexity of our designs. So we've been slowly training ourselves over a decade to not worry about that. Okay, let's call them up right now and get to the bottom of this. It's Sunday. Does Duplication

CA do that? Have you guys ever worked with Duplication or another company? That's a good question. I don't know. I can't remember how complicated what we've used them a couple of times. Our office hours are Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Please leave a message, and we will return your call as soon as possible. Don't talk to them.

Please leave a message after the tone. You let Liz and Dwight do the colors. No, no, no. No, you let them do the colors they want to do. Peep that out in post. No. I'm through with waiting for these. Anybody else have anything they want to say?

Be a man. All right, that should work it out for you. That should push things along. You should see something in your inbox Monday morning. Order canceled. Never contact us again. Scott, why don't you play a little background music while our

Crash Symbol buddies tell us what's in store in 2025. Okay, okay. Alright, I'm gonna play a cat, I guess, because a cat just showed up. That's really experimental. And if you can play that crash test dummy song. All right, Dwight and Liz, what's up with the label next year? What are you doing? We kind of took the

winter off. We're slowed down a little bit because we're trying to open a label space, bookstore, Liz space thing next year. This year. This year. And this one. Put a pin in it. So we've been trying to slow the roll a tiny bit and figure out ways of integrating that with other things that we do here in town, like visiting the many local Sheetzes.

I don't know if you guys remember. That was y'all's main observation about Morgan Town. The first time we were on. Oh, the Sheetz. Yeah, I love the Sheetz there. I can't hear a guy. God knows how long. We actually managed to close.

He's got to stop playing overtime. Scott, you got to stop this, man. You may be number nine, but... Give him a hand. Close him out. Close him out. Close Scott. Kick him out of the room.

You're kidding. What are you doing here? All right, you know... Have you... Has anyone heard of the label drongo tapes yeah that sounds familiar i got a drongo right over here what do you have because i wanted to play something from that label there's local legend amen hold on we'll get to that in a minute we'll get to that in a minute wire feature feature, wire feature aiming. He got out of a birthday party. Okay, you know what?

Let's skip the Drongo thing. Sorry, Drongo. New guest. We got strategic tape reserve in the house. Strategic tape reserve. Amen. How's it going, buddy? He can't hear a fucking thing we're saying.

He's all in Spain. Can you hear us? I can't hear anything. You can't hear anything? We can hear you, though. It's on your side because everybody else is. Yes, it is. Okay, I got it now. How would hear us? I can't hear anything. You can't hear anything? It's on your side because everybody else... Yes, it is. Okay, I got it now. How would he know yes?

I don't think he can hear. Are you calling us from Spain? I'm calling you from Spain, yeah. Wow. Oh, is it time for your nap? Big nap? Are you going to take a big Spain nap later? I missed my nap today. Oh, no! I hate when I'm in Spain and I miss my nap.

Did you miss your sardines? Did you miss a stop at the shop for some type threes? Sardines. Oh, man. I didn't get any sardines today either. It's been a weird day. It's been a weird day. A non-typical day.

No sardines, no nap. But I'm here now Scott Schultz was just in the room Scott Schultz was just in the room we asked him about a tape that we should play a top tier he brought up this Angel Wings Marmalade tape

tell us a little bit about this tape tell us a little bit about what you did this year on your label it didn't seem as wacky this year as other years what? it didn't seem as wacky this year as other years. What? It didn't seem as wacky this year as other years. Was it less wacky? It was less wacky.

I disagree. It was less wacky this year. I mean, I guess as a label, we're becoming more serious. We had Learning by Listening, which is educational, and now we're a serious label now. We're not a joke label anymore.

We're serious. Okay, so 2024 marked the turn for Strategic Tape Reserve from silly to serious. And it's just going to get more serious. I was just going to ask what was next, but that's it, huh huh more serious serious so what does what what does that entail what do you do how do we become you know what you should do you know what you should do a book a book have you seen these people with the same the books have you seen the books you should do a book never been in one myself i don't know know. A couple left me out.

I mean, I barely know how to do tapes. Like, books seems like... Maddie has a book. There's an example. There's an example of a book. All right. All right. You know what? Since I have another strategic tape reserve

taping from me right here, it's very red like the Angel Wings Marmalade tape. It's from Budokan Boys. Have we played this yet, Jamie? Do you know? I don't know, but that doesn't sound very serious to me. When I think about the Budokan Boys, I think about a bunch of gags. No, it's serious. It's about health

and wellness. Explain. I in what way. I've got a question. I've got a question here, Eamon. It says your tape catalog revels in the idea of failure and the stories that it helps tell. That sounds like, you know, a little wacky to me, you know, not serious. I don't know. How so? I mean, failure is serious, isn't it? Dwight, Liz, you want to take that one? Yeah, failure is serious.

I think that's a heavy one. We should all, you know, come at head on. What's that mean? Embrace it. I agree. Fail. Fail. Accept your responsibility.

Well, let's bust out a double strategic tape reserve block. Dwight and Liz, I think we've played everything on Crash Symbols. You were so kind to send us everything this year. Thank you. Always look beautiful. Thank you for designing. Does the dragon

logo for Tabs Out have a name? Ooh, it's nice. We talked about this last time. Oh, shit. Okay. But no, I don't think so. Still doesn't have a name? No, maybe we should do a poll or something. We can come up with it right now. Does everybody want to workshop

something? Yeah. Tabby? Tabby? Tabby? I think we all know what it is. Let's all say it on three. Three, two, one. Lex Luthor. Failing. That was failing.

Oh, that was failing. I didn't like it. I feel so serious. It was serious. But I definitely don't like it. All right. Well, let's play these tapes. Thank you all for joining us.

Good luck in the new year. Nice to see you all. What? Great to see you guys. Stay well. Somebody say all for joining us. Good luck in the new year. Nice to see you all. Stay well. Somebody said they have one question. Maddie, you have a question. Go ahead. A tape of the year you guys want to shout out and, Eamon, a tape of the year you want to shout out.

Thank you. Oh, Shazbot. What do we want to shout out? Shazbot? I haven't heard that one. Since the last time we were on. A 2024 release you want to shout out? Oh, that's a good question. Thank you. I think it was Matty's question.

We just got... Have y'all come across Mars Capone Discos, the French label? Yes. As a matter of fact, I think I have. Yes, I have. Sure, me too. They're really good. We really enjoyed their recent tape with Sonat and...

Sonat... Sonat... Sonat and Autenpens. Sonat and Autenpens? I'm seeing this. Yeah. I like that cover. Sonat and Autenpens.

Yeah, that's great. Got no clue Eamon what about you I saw you get up what did you get yeah I got a couple that I like but I want to say a different one actually now that I'm thinking about it one that you don't like we thought about doing that too we thought about

releasing the list of everyone who was like 201 to 220 or whatever just to let them know we thought about you. All right. It's not going to happen. No. That's too serious. You know what?

I want to say I think it's really good that you waited until like this much after the new year. Oh, thank you. To release your list. I think that's commendable and a good role model for others. Thank you. Yes. I was thinking the same thing when I didn't feel like being able to figure out how to get this together sooner. We were all feeling it.

All right. What's this tape? On the Malt Fluid label. Malt Fluid. These are all new names to me. It's the guy who had Chaska. Chaska? Yeah, yeah.

I know that label, Chaska. Is everything black and white? The album is The Concept Horse. What? No, the artist is Concept Horse. The album is a new kind of algebra, a better kind of algebra, something algebra. It's really good. There's a lot of Concept Horse. There's a lot of Concept Horse this year.

I want to say I reviewed them way back in 20 or 21. I'm on some of the quietest list stuff. Hell yeah. This one's really good. There we go. Thanks for turning us on to some cool stuff, man. Yeah, thanks for turning me on. I look forward to everyone's stuff

and to all your shit. The way you look forward to my shit, I look forward to your shit too. Yeah. All right. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Love y'all. Hugs and kisses. Happy New Year. Bye, everyone. Great to see you.

All right, let's play these tapes. You're very goofy, Aiden. You nailed it. Will they shut up? On hold. And then a double dose on Strategic Tape Reserve. Angel Wings, Marmalade, Budokan Boys. Serious stuff coming up.

Yeah. What's the honest season? A robin on his stads. If you go first, you catch the web. Nothing but net. First foot splash, sink into the mud. The ducks take off screaming. They have to clap so fast. They look so leaguer. Not like the jay that just flitted up to the top. Stalking around like a cat.

Everybody jumps and hops into the brush. Pass far in the dirt and on the path to the deer bones, the end's dead Turn around and keep on but no going back once you've seen what you've seen That's a new trap, alternatively on ducks In the heron's long stride and silent, it makes me happy, I need it To stalk around and creep up on a coot, watch crocuses pop Stare at the green blue, praying for a fish flap. Dreaming of grabbing its fat in my hands and kissing it.

Listening close at the golden rod crack. And the coot does ten feet into the woods. Sure, a land can be a metaphor, but not only. Body is cosmos first contact on earth. Not like star child, like dirt. And like the lord himself, the coot sprints across the inlet red leaves on the pond today where are the ducks it's noon i'm late everybody's off hawks overhead low shadow first and circling nearby brought up a fish so close i watch silver flesh sparkle from

across the bridge three deer graze softly scanning my every, and we all freeze together and stare through the thicket, till a red-faced gal in top-to-toe mezzaparil scares the herd. One here and lots of turtles, and finally the ducks appear, wheezing, an exceptionally sweet and plump robin in the brush, a cardinal claiming his face on a tree branch. What's the range of snakes? Which birds keep mating here? Thank you. I'm sorry. Yeah, I don't care. Just do it naked as dead. Windows, like, think back to my classes. I don't care. Now, you think we got into the talk, right?

Because I bought a Cobalt cassette. No, yeah, it probably was a corner. Yeah, no. Ignore the white horse in the corner. What, like, like, wait, listen. Wait, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Why do I talk like you're anywhere? I'm not sure if I believe that psychic.

Why do I talk like you're anywhere? Why do I talk like that anywhere? The nature is bodily and psychic But when you're in shock, the noise collapses But when I'm in shock, the noise collapses

The clock stands as long as it's going She won't lie on her night just to show Well, if someone converting to another religion, I follow it. Oh, I follow it down for one final taste. He did it up and it's freezing. That type of freezing you can punch up to and through. Hell, you can! Whether I live or die, things will be remodeled.

Surrendering the explosive risk of heart attack. I'm being interesting even though I've been heated off the big bang. My rainbow body is praying hard now My mouth is full of God inside My face smashed up in glass The skinny utility plumbed in with me So I lied alone and I splattered When we came and started the thick line Soon they halted and the great forces and drifted with time

I told them to the Red Wars of Isis Hey fuck if I deserve my dreams like sandwiches in my brain. Sandwiches in my brain. Sandwiches in my brain. Sandwiches in my brain. Sandwiches in my brain. Sandwiches in my brain. I'm sorry. The The The The The

The The The The The The The The

The The I'm going to save you. I'm going to save you. I'm going to save you. I'm going to save you. I'm going to save you. I'm going to save you. I'm going to save you. I'm going to save you. I'm going to save you. I'm going to kill you. I was so sick

I was laid up in the bed I had the double dragon I was laid up in the bed. I had the double dragon. I was so sick. And in my delirium, I asked myself, how did I get to be so sick? And my mind traveled back to last Friday night I was in the club Cutting a rug Dancing Dancing

Dancing But then a stranger Came out onto the floor I had never seen them before They sashayed my way And said, may I have this dance? And I said said oh yes you have this dance

and we danced real close. And I said to the stranger, might I ask you for a kiss? And the stranger said, oh yes. Do you have a kiss? So I leaned in. And the stranger coughed in my face I said, whoa

Are you sick? Not that I know of, they said. Might be allergies or something. Might be the air conditioner in this place. Well, all right, I said. Here comes the kiss And we kissed We kissed So deep And for so long

It was the perfect kiss The perfect kiss Then the hour grew late And I said to the stranger Why don't you come back to my place I got a balcony The stranger, why don't you come back to my place? I got a balcony. We can watch the sunrise, if you know what I mean.

But the stranger just put a finger to their lips. And said, shhh. Not tonight, baby. I got somewhere else I gotta be. Then they left And I was dancing All by myself And a few days later I was sick So sick Years later I was sick

So sick Now I don't think that stranger was telling the truth I think they were incredibly sick Incredibly sick But all is well I made a full recovery I'm back where I belong Dancing Dancing But here's the gist If you're sick

Don't come to the club Don't pretend it's allergies And don't give a stranger a kiosk unless of course it's a very good kiosk and we're back that was uh you should have been recording all that inside talk about the list was it a good bit uh it wasn't no it was down and dirty list oh list like santa and his workshop looking at it. How the cookies are made.

How you drink the milk. You want to say what we just played, Jamie? I do. I know Go ahead. I know we had Budokan Boys. Budokan Boys. And then before that, Angel Wings. Marmalade. Marmalade. And then there was one before that. Scott Schultz did a

beautiful rendition oh on cat and guitar yeah do you remember what it was i don't remember carrie de conzo loam on no that's not when he played cat and guitar he played cat and guitar over top when we were trying to talk to somebody he played homemade um cigar box guitar over top or to introduce that that one who can remember anymore maddie what else we need to know about this list we're wrapping things up what i love about doing the podcast is that you come in with the list that's not maybe complete and it just the slots fill in it fills itself in oh my god it's a beautiful thing it's like a beautiful mind with all the numbers floating above me. I mean, that's the thing.

I love a beautiful mind. I love numbers. And I love having giant Excel sheets or Napa Valley racks of tape. So I knew mentally where my top 30 to 50 was. But getting to see them on the list interacts with your guys' top 50s to 30s. It's fun. Shit kiss. top 50s to 30s. It's fun. Is there a number we want to leave open that

someone can buy or something? 37. That low? 37 could be good, but there's just so many good tapes this year. I'm wondering if maybe one or two could be open. We had a one and a half. Oh, okay.

Let's open up. We don't need a one and a half oh i i okay okay let's open up one and a half that's open but no we could do it okay so what are we gonna do 37 let's do 37 and 137 okay we'll leave those open how much are we charging i say 69 for 37 yeah and six dollars and 90 cents for 137 yeah and then you really get to see who the movers and shakers are. Because then the person, you're looking at this, imagine it. Picture everyone. Picture it. You're looking at the list and you scroll down and you go $137 and you go, well, they

paid for that. And then you look at $37 and they go, oh, so they got money. Oh, yeah. So they got money. They're on the VIP plan. Very nice. Okay, so leave those open. $37, $137. Contact at TabZ go. Money. They're on the VIP plan. Very nice. Okay, so leave those open. 37-137.

Contact at TabZell.com on PayPal. Contact at Venmo.com on Cash App. Or you can just text Jamie on his personal cell phone number. Yeah, on his personal cell phone number he takes. Bitcoin, hey coins, hey pennies. You're cut out, Matty. Say it again. You cut out.

137 is open. I actually did just confirm on the tape that was supposedly the last season. 173-er. Oh no, what got moved? Let us know what got moved. Well, no. Paisley Shirts, Tam Lin had some really interesting cassettes. I don't know. Paisley Shirts, the had some really interesting cassettes. I don't know.

Paisley shirt. The Wi-Fi over there. It's a Wi-Fi. It's that Northern California Wi-Fi. Yeah. It's SoCal Wi-Fi. But Tam Lin across the Snowflake Mountain Valley and Tam Lin, too. Those are one of the rare ties we're going to see on the list because they're both just equal.

There's a tie on the list. That's a tie on the list that's a tie that's a 173 tie i love it for 173 it's still you know what the plaque laugh all you want everyone but the plaque at my high school for tying 173 in the lunge it still hangs to this day in the lunch yeah the lunge who entered the chat it's maury you're here thank you for joining us now let's get down let's just get down to it get down to brass tacks let's just get down to it well before we do that jamie open up this package here maddie sent us a package months ago what's inside of it what's inside the package find out it's the tbd tape

that we did ages ago me and thomas finally got our shit it's not a knife i was finally gonna stab jamie a is the emo side and then side b is the ambient side that's like me that's like me i have two. My emo side and my ambient side. The two genders, you know? Are you saying that's still your two sides too? Or is there a third side now? I think there's a lot of sides. There's two genders.

Pain multitudes. Is this a 2024 tape? This is a 2024 tape. In fact, if I could spend 69 bucks to get no no thank you no thank you no pay to play no payola from you please though you we you can put it huh let's see can we cram it in here maybe it between 200 and 201 we'll figure it out and i think that could be good let's get down to brass tacks because we got a celebrity on our hands. It's the number one motherfucker on the list.

Play me some music, Jamie. Get me pumped up. I'm getting real serious now. Woo! More ease. Oh, wait. It just changed. The list changed again.

Oh, that's a hard track. I love the howl. Matty, change the list back. You are... The list is fine. The list is changed back. Number one. Oh, yeah.

Oh, I see what you mean. Switch those back down to work because my bit doesn't work without it. Okay. The number one tape on our list this year. Matt, do you want to say what it is? Lacuna and Parlor. Oh, no way. Can you believe it?

Whoa. Holy shit. What spots are going through you? I assume I am getting millions of dollars for now. We're working on it. Okay. Now tell us about this tape because

I want to say that the number two tape is dash dash dash. How do you say the name of your Night of Fire tape? You don't. You can't. It's so annoying. You and Seth Graham. You and Seth graham had this project i thought originally maybe it was morse code uh there have been a lot of theories people have thought it's morse code uh i think the craziest one is someone wrote seth like an insane multi-paragraph email about how they thought it

was an ekg uh printout and communication and it's literally it was a bunch of symbols seth typed into a facebook messenger and was just like do you think this would be a cool band name and i was like yeah man sure oh that's crazy i i actually put that into contra and i got 30 lives but you're just saying it just is a random it's now how does it make you feel that your solo tape is number one you get hitched up with sith graham and all of a sudden it's number two do you think maybe you lose them you get a few more tapes in the top 10 or what's going on here uh no i love seth i'll work with that guy forever i mean like i make you well tell us about uh tell us about this tape on on the label either is it mondo how do you

say it mondoy mondoy recently taught it is said oh is that a j that sounds like a y i don't know uh yeah i'm not gonna pretend that i understand the subtleties of uh polish um but this it was corrected i was corrected uh on my pronunciation i was calling it mondog for years i was going with mondo j for a while which i knew wasn't right i mean that's the sickest one yeah i got a mondo j oh jamie all right well tell us about this tape i mean it's number one it must be special uh i mean i feel like it's a pretty special tape um i like was able to finally kind of start working with like more of an ensemble of musicians when i moved to new york last year and so um about half of the record is like our pieces that are performed by like a group of people

and the other half are pieces that are just kind of like me overdubbing myself but then live i've been playing with like a different combo of instrumentation um a lot of it is just kind of rooted in these really simple instructions of like kind of how to move through like uh these rudiments of music theory but in a really long stretched out way um and kind of playing with that while giving like performers like a lot of freedom in terms of how that like is how that is presented every time it comes about so if anyone wants their tape to be number one next year you just got to do that yeah it's easy just follow those simple instructions

the morey's method yeah i keep saying use the Morey's method of doing exactly that. Exactly. Yeah, come to the Institute, the Morey's Institute, for number one tapes of Tabs Out. Welcome. All right. Welcome. Well, being as someone whose tape is number one and number two,

Jesus Christ. That's crazy. I can't believe that. I know. I'm shocked. There was no Night of Fire tape until a few weeks ago when they did a special 20 tape edition. So good work.

You must know some shit about tapes from this year. I'm assuming do you have what are you shouting out from 2024? Oh man, give me a second. I gotta look out my boot camp and jam the list. shouting out from 2024? Oh man, give me a second. I gotta look out my bootcamp and red cam list.

You can keep playing that, Jamie. I was liking that. What tape is Maddie holding up? I am holding a Trilogy tape release. It's a blue one. I forget. It's Clara Lewis and Supergirl. Oh, love that one yes that is definitely one of my faves from this year listen to it a ton um yeah i saw them do a set of that live

and it was really hypnotic and amazing and then i uh i listened to the tape afterwards and thought it was just like totally fantastic I really really love that record another one is this Mematone tape that is on I think it's on Students of Decay yeah I'm looking it up now

Fever of the World super good oh actually there's not a tape edition of that my bad all right so let's move these tapes down now it's 11 and 62 we're moving you to yeah that's very very understandable um yeah the trilogy tapes thing is great um i'm trying to remember what i have like that is i'm trying to get into my band camp to see what i bought this year i hate when i can't get into my band camp yeah me too you show up you show up to the bank and it's just locked yeah pulling on it i want to talk about how we got cut off earlier oh you know what should we

be playing anything from maddie's comp oh you got to play the underwater garden ensemble piece is it the first track has yet to record or properly do a recording of that that came out that to me was like star of the tape the entire reason to do the tape was to get that out all right so we'll play that and barry what are we playing from you okay you get to pick are we playing your solo tape or are we playing the yeah i think y'all should play uh something from night of fire uh okay fair enough yeah yeah save if you want to hear the number one tape, you got to work. You got to work. We're not playing it.

Oh my God. We're not playing you the number one tape. You have to go find it. Do some work. You got to play the cut with Lucy Liu. Because that's a great cut on Night of Fire. And Lucy had a great tape this year, which is, she said a glorified full spectrum release. Shout out to full spectrum.

They're closed. They're done. We got every full spectrum release on there though. I think they had seven or eight tapes. Full spectrum's done. They're done too? What's going on? Why is everything changing? I know a tape I want to shout out. I was trying to remember it. The Holly Waxwing and Galen Tipton record, Keepsake FM.

The cassette that's on orange milk it's so good huge fan of it orange milk stop saying my favorite artist you guys sent it to jamie uh sometimes what is with that orange milk used to be they used to really juice us up and send us packages and then it just we're all dried up i'll dry it up I'll dry it up I'll have a check in episode with Keith That's good a state of the union Hey I checked in with Keith I'll have a three hour conversation with the man he sent me some great tapes this year but it was some older stuff

and I am just so fucking backlogged I can't even believe I took that with me to Virginia I loved it I have a message for Orange Milk and someone can deliver this because I know they're not going to listen. But if they do not send me a tape,

me a tape, by let's say the anniversary of the show is in March, right? Yeah. Then I'm going to start a project, a noise project called Untitled Keith Rankin Project and another one called

Untitled Seth Graham Project and they're going to suck. They're going to be so bad. I'm going to try my best, but they're going to suck. Make the cut named dds.wmv. Oh, I just remembered. Maddie, we have another task for you

once you're done the list. Oh, great. Oh, yeah. Is to make a Spotify playlist of all the things from the list. Oh, God. Yeah. So if you could do that by, I don't know what, Thursday?

Wednesday. Can we get that on Wednesday? Late Wednesday? That's cool. Top 10 to 25 get Bandcamp URLs or SoundCloud, because I think we put T for T, Love Energy, one of the mixes. However you have to do it. Yeah.

If it's a link tree, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. A link tree. Mario, before you go, I was working on it. You didn't laugh at first. I thought that was funny. I didn't know what you said.

I thought you said lank tree. L-A-N-K. Lank? Yeah. Oh my God. Lank is funny though. Lank tree.

Oh, one more tape. I finally got logged into my band camp. You were just going through the band camp now i gotta shout out one more tape uh inner life by mark templeton i did not see it get a lot of attention it's super good uh yeah it's great it came out on in moss earlier this year or oh it's one of the n moss tapes damn i've got one of those n moss tapes yeah coming through really coming through with one of my NMOS tapes. Damn, I've got one of those NMOS tapes. Mark Templeton is one of my favorite dudes and I feel like he is

kind of overlooked all the time, but definitely Inner Light by Mark Templeton. Listen to it a ton. Really good tape. More ease. 2025. What is happening? Got a record coming out with Claire Rousset on Thrill Jockey.

That's going to be out in March. I didn't know you were going big time. Big time. You get that number one tape of the year and all of a sudden it's a video. The doors are just opening up. The list isn't even published yet.

It's just Thrill Jockey. They'll send me some tapes. Industry insiders are already talking about it it's funny because if claire would have gotten the top tape in 2020 if there was if 200 tapes had come out in 2020 she would have been number one so the thrill jockey that makes sense the pipeline makes sense yes uh so i got that coming out and then a band I have with my friend Lynn Avery called Pink Must has an album coming out on

15 Love that did the like ML Book and like CTM records from a couple years ago really excited about that no physical version at first but probably will be pressed into a cassette after a couple of months of release that's usually how that label works.

Nice. I was just, I was just looking for a thrill jockeys phone number. Yeah. Trying to call. I think we got like a one 800 line or something somewhere. Well, Mari,

other collab that may be coming out. Are you working with another long time Americana artist? I'm working with a few of them, but nothing is done right now. Any kind of American of a pan Panama? Oh, Mark from Pan American. Yeah, we started on some tracks together, but nothing is near completed. But very excited to keep working with him. He's one of my all-time favorite artists uh but we

started on a few things and then kind of decided to go back to the drawing board uh there will be some other stuff uh coming out at some point hey if anyone has sub pop has thrill jockey's phone number uh give me a call back it's uh no rush bye that's the best i could do i'm excited either way would love to see that collaboration happen i'm there day one mark i'm so glad that mark would even like go out and do that that just rocks yeah he's like one of my favorite artists it's been really wild getting to like know him and and become friends with him over the last year or so mari as a a reward would you like we're to play a tape on Drongo to end all things.

You know that label, Drongo, at all? Not very well, no. They're a sleeper, but they're good. I love that name. Oh, yeah, I've seen this. I've seen this label. I've got three tapes here. I'm going to go one, two, three from left to right. You want to pick a number and we'll play that tape?

Let's do two two the middle i can't even say that you say what that is oh we have stylanios ow stylanios ow so i don't remember if we I need the wolf. So I don't remember if we... Maddie, if you can cram... Jamie, let me see it. Now, is this tape out? This is from this year, right? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, that is. Maddie, you'll need to cram that somewhere on the list as well. Damn it. All right. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. So we did a good job.

All right, everyone. Excellent job. Thank you. Everybody give yourselves a round of applause. We really figure it out. We did a good job. Excellent job. Everybody give yourselves a round of applause. We really did it. This is literally the worst thing I have ever listened to. Alright. Bye everyone. Happy New Year. Happy New Year.

Let's end this out with the What was the track from the comp we were supposed to play? Oh, I forget. It was probably somewhere in the middle. I would just play... I forget. We'll just play the first track.

Track one. Track one. It's right over here. Can I say it? Live on TBD Volume 1. Because I might remember. We'll do that. We'll do whatever one we picked on Drongo.

What was it? You like chicken? It was... I can't say it. S-T-Y-L-I-A-N-O-S-O-U. The name of the art is Drongo number 74, and then we'll end it with that, were we playing the Maurice solo, or were we playing the one with Seth Graham? Dot, dot, dot. Dot, dot, dot. Dot, dot, dot. Dash, dot, dot, dot. Dash, dot. Night of Fire on orange milk.

I think Maurice is too humble to suggest playing their track. Oh, yes. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, no. All right. I thought it was two. Look at this crispy chicken. Listen, that's the end of the business day.

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