Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Episode #205 | 2.12.25

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

A special Delaware episode. Chris Haug from Delaware Music History Archive joins the crew to discuss the DMHA and local cassette tapes. Sounds from Woz, Toxic Holocaust, MC Iziah, Silk & Satin, Union, Clevinger, Network 34, Boysetsfire, High Karate, Infection, King Crimson (a live recording from Wilmington, DE in 1972), and Batz Without Flesh.

Welcome. Welcome. Delaware. It's the second smallest state in the U.S., the sixth most densely populated, and was the first to ratify the U.S. Constitution. Tab's out. In an era of music streaming and digital downloads, Old Format is making a comeback. What's going on? I don't know. There's more. Tab's out, out episode 205 is that correct gentlemen yes tabs out uh cassette podcast episode number 205 and jamie what was going on there you had a it

was like a collage i think uh yeah i was sitting in space bar and i was hitting other samples and it's kind of like when you wire a modular synthesizer, and some things trigger things you might not expect, but it might create some happy accidents. Sometimes I see people with those modular synthesizers, and they're starting to play, and I walk up, and I go, you going to answer that? Turn me down just a hair.

In my headphones. Not my mic, but my headphones. Let's get into it. Too much sensory. Did that work? Yeah, that's good. Okay. New season, right, boys?

New season of Tabs Out. If we did seasons, is it season 15? You know what? In all seriousness, I don't know, but if we were to do new seasons, the new one would start in March. Oh, okay. It wouldn't be a fiscal year type situation. I don't think that's how...

For tax purposes, that would bump me into a whole new type situation. I don't think that's how... Well, for tax purposes... It would be on the anniversary. That would bump me into a whole new tax bracket. It would be on the anniversary. So next month is the start of the new season. Yes. And we will have an announcement to make about that at the end of the show.

Oh! Okay, here we go. Special announcement. Turn your sound clips up, Jamie. I can't hear them. Yeah. I'm all the way up. They're so funny and I can't hear them. Yeah. I'm all the way up. They're so funny, and I can't hear them, and mine are so funny.

And I feel like when I'm hitting it, it's doing it on multiple boards. Jamie, please. So you had... You got wires crossed. I noticed in your experimental sound collage that you played in the beginning of the episode, I noticed that... Oh, I'm Mike, by the way. Oh, I'm Joe.

And we have a guest, too. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait and we have a guest too cut that out beep that out beep um i noticed that in your experimental sound collage you alluded to the the great state our home state of delaware several times it's the state that i've call home now now this joe b this is what they call a Jersey boy. Oh yeah, I forgot you were born in New Jersey. Jamie, please.

Do you want to transition? Is that what you're going to say, Michael? Yes, because we have with us, as you said earlier, a guest. Chris Haug. Hey guys.

Is that how you say it? Haug. How do you say it? I said Haug. I always said Hoag. Hoag. Yeah. Okay, it's Haug.

Hoag. Chris Haug from the Delaware, what is it? I knew I should have written it down. Delaware Music Okay, it's Haug. Hoag. Chris Haug from the Delaware... What is it? I knew I should have written it down. Delaware Music History Archive. You start at the top of the logo and you go right. The Delaware Music History Archive. Yeah.

What's throwing you off is the history is upside down. Oh, yeah. And you're trying to read why. Oh, hold on. I can turn my computer around and fix that. Yeah. I'm telling you, man, this stuff will poison your mind. I told Jamie to animate it, but he hasn't done it yet.

So it rotates. So Chris, explain to me, why are you... A layman. Yeah, explain to me. Explain to me like I'm an idiot like Jamie. What is the Delaware Music History Archive? So Paul Campagna, a good friend of mine, we grew up together, decided...

I know him too. Oh, you guys all knew Yeah we know Yeah Decided to Just put together This living website Of artists from Delaware

Going back to the 1940s A living website Yeah So it'll continue to grow Like Wikipedia Correct So it's constantly on the top It's gonna ask me to donate money

Give me money Give me money Can I have five dollars To be more wicked My Wikipedia's gonna break If you. It's going to ask me to donate money. Give me money. Can I have $5? The more Wicked my Wikipedia is going to break if you don't give me $5. We do need money. Oh, okay. So what are you doing? What is your purpose?

So for the website, we're going to have, you know, it's going to be like Wikipedia style. It's going to be like wikipedia style uh it's going to be like a map um so you can see venues that uh existed in delaware from the 1940s until today uh memorable shows that happened in delaware so um yeah going back to the 1940s for those as well uh and then artists and bands that grew up in delaware uh folks that moved to Delaware and started bands. Maybe they went to the University of Delaware. Well, I think the first thing we need to figure out is what is a Delaware band? What constitutes a Delaware band?

I don't know. That's a tough one. Because I've heard that television actually is not a Delaware band. I say television is a Delaware band. If you're a band, then that's good, and you spend any time in Delaware. You had to have at least practiced in Delaware Really? Yeah, yeah

I don't know It's a gray area How are rehearsal space Call Alex Holman I mean, Delaware Dan Oh Oh, we should Is this a legal issue?

Yeah You know what? If someone can get in on the phone Because I saw a list Chris and I were looking over a list earlier Of like the top 50 song delaware songs since like the dawn of rock and roll time yeah and you get to number three and it's george thorogood and you're like oh that's weird you figured george thorogood's gonna

be number one he's bad to the bone yeah bad to the bone to the bone but then it's like okay number two bob marley oh right i don't know do, you work at Chrysler for a few years I don't know if that means you're from Delaware And then number one was television Number one was television Where does the Delaware Music Archives land on television? So Billy Fick A drummer of television

Born in Delaware I'd count that Oh, okay, we're counting it What about the Descendants? No Why not the Descendants? No No okay Why not the Descendants? So I think there's gonna be

Like a miscellaneous page With all that You know Bob Marley Can be on there Tom Verlaine wasn't born In Delaware You know The other members

Weren't born in Delaware I think we'll have Like a miscellaneous page That will have All this other stuff We got a lot though We do have a lot We got a lot

Yeah What is one thing, what's the biggest surprise? Because you've been doing, I hear you were at the friggin', like, Joe, have you ever seen National Treasure? Yeah, that's one of my favorite franchises. Paul and Chris did that. Oh, at the National Archive, and you found the secret tunnels? They did that. And what did you, what is

like something cool that you've... We were going through Max Roach's boxes, so Max Roach played with Clifford Brown the jazz drummer jazz drummer yeah so Clifford Brown is a Delawarean yeah

right yeah I do like jazz so Max Roach saved everything so he had photos he saved all his receipts what really yeah

flyers all kinds of stuff I like that is that a excited technique yeah I know a little bit I hear these names

and I get kind of inspired so you brought some cassette tapes with you I did obviously right that makes the most sense I hear these names and I get kind of inspired. So you brought some cassette tapes with you. I did. Obviously, right? That makes the most sense. Across the history of the state?

Correct. I have a lot more records from Delaware than I do tapes, but I did bring, yeah, a handful. What did you bring? What did you bring us today? What are you going to present us with about Delaware? What do we got? I think a light just emerged out of that suitcase there. Yeah. It's like the Pulp Fiction one. I do not own it i borrowed that from was okay see here's my first here's my first complaint about this all right and i'm glad we're trying to think what is a delaware band does every member have to be from here you know we're a little tiny state and you drive any which way

for 15 minutes from the northern part of it you're going to get into a different state right jamie's precious new jersey pennsylvania maryland maryland yeah the the rest yeah the first tape in this box says the word what's it say on the music from philadelphia yeah right but but i count this because waz is on it that's the point i want to play the waz track who was living in wellington at the time of this recording you got to admit though though you gotta admit it's a bad look to be the delaware music history archive and the first thing you're presenting us is music from philadelphia yeah but i think at the time i gotta get 95 i gotta get an i-95 you never heard people like when you're you're like they're like where are you from delaware dan is calling me okay okay let's see where we're like where you're from you're like they're like we're from phil outside of philadelphia

but they're from wilmington yes speaking hey um let me turn you up just a little bit we got a legal question yeah we have a legal question we were uh we have chris how how we have chris how in the house today he's talking about the delaware musical history archive.com and we were wondering what constitutes a Delaware band. That's not the website URL, by the way. I would say within the predetermined legal borders of the state of Delaware,

provided by our forefathers in the Constitution. It's very important that us citizens in Delaware currently, because that's where I am, of course I'd be in delaware nowhere else no other state or town but uh yeah it would be that the band i would say uh okay well you know 75 of the band uh could be in delaware that that means that if it's people, one of those people spends half their time on the Delaware side of the border

and then they have to cross the state line and then spend half of their time in another state. It could be Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delco. It could be anything. I enjoy that Delco is a state.

That's disputable. That's highly disputable, but we'll get into that another time, perhaps. If you move to Delaware when you're seven years old and then run away when you're in high school, is that a Delaware ban? Well, the question I have is while the person in question has ran away from Delaware, where are they telling people they're from when they're out on the road dogs? My question is their precedent. Exactly. Yeah, but I could have said it better myself, honestly.

All right. Well, Delaware Dan, can you please just let us know who the most Delaware band is and who your favorite Delaware band is? You're going to put Delaware Dan on the spot right now, and I'm going to have to set an invoice for this, but I can easily answer that question, no problem. We'll call that an hour. People say George Surrogate is from Delaware. We don't know that. We don't have his birth certificate. We don't know the true nature of his citizenship. But my favorite Delaware band would probably be...

Oh, man, that's such a tough question. Shit, I can't remember anybody's names at this point. Well, that's fine. You check your files. What was the band Mike Haley was in that was like the metal band? Echo Constructor. What was that called?

Echo Constructor. Echo Constructor. You've seen them or Young Vulgarians. Yeah, I was also the metal band. Echo Constructor. Echo Constructor. Echo Constructor. You've seen them or Young Bulgarians. Yeah, I was also in that band. Damn it. All right, well, we'll call that an hour.

You can just send us an invoice. We'll pay it. All right, cool. Thank you. And I'm leaving on them other ones. I imagine you just take care of all of them at once or should I have payroll

accounts deductible contact you? Contact my assistant. Thank you, Jamie. God bless. Thank you so much. Go Birds! Go Birds! There we go! Alright, bye.

Alright, so Chris, you have music from Philadelphia here. Who did you say was on that? It was Paul Wazinski. Waz. Legend. Tell me a little bit about Wazinski, Waz. Waz, yeah. Ah, legend. Legend, for sure. Tell me a little bit about Waz. I'm wearing my Waz shirt today. Oh, look at that.

Jamie has his Waz shirt on. I forgot my glasses. Waz is great. He's been around making music since the early 70s. He had a recording in 1980. It was a very cult recording. Absolutely, yeah. Cult classic.

And he's still going. He has a new recording that just came out. Delaware Druids with friend Billy, a.k.a. Gentle Jones. Oh, really? Yeah, they just did a record together. What's that like? You gotta check out the artwork. Jamie, can you pull that up or put that in post? Oh, I feel like

Delaware Druid. Did he have the artwork? Same artist did it. This one just came out. That one came out in 2024. Did Gentle Jones rap on it? Yeah, for sure. But then with Waz doing synths and all his thing.

Accordion? Maybe a little accordion. Music from Philadelphia. Recordings assembled, compiled, and digitally mastered January to August 1987. Engineered by Joe Niccolo and Andy Kravitz at Studio 4 Philadelphia. Who put this out? Welcome Worlds? Is that the name of the label? I believe so.

Do you know the first OmniSoul thing we ever recorded? I was wondering how long he was going to Yes, you were in a Delaware band. Jamie? You guys were pretty big. With Phil Niccolo. Wait, you said with Phil Niccolo? Yeah.

Is that related to Joe Niccolo? Yes, they're brothers. They're the Butcher Brothers. The Butcher Brothers, duh. Oh, the fucking Butcher Brothers, duh. The packaging for this tape is wild. Let me see it. It's falling apart.

There's a booklet, too. It's like a library case, you know, the plastic pop-open library, but without the plastic part, just the inside. Well, I should say without the harder plastic outer shell and just the inside plastic

Do I need gloves to look at this? Okay, okay But this is Waz's Correct I really want a copy of this Don't spill my coffee For $90 on Discogs This tape?

Yeah, it's $90 That's wild Who else is on it? Jack Wright's on it No, Jack Wright does photos Is he also on it? Yeah, he has one track on it I can name some of the artists

I've never really heard of any Oh Ruin Ruin I know Ruin Hardcore band Singular Yeah The Polite Force

Lump The Shamanistics Uh oh Charles Cohen The Ambush Bugs It's a really good It's a different Charles Cohen Than the Delaware Charles Cohen

Do you guys know that story No The synth guy? Bourbon and Clorox Dude from Illinois Moved to Delaware Killed his parents He was playing in this

Hardcore band called Bourbon and Clorox There's a tape out I couldn't find it for this Oh wow Goes on the run There was a whole America's Most Wanted

Episode on him There's a book Written about him He went on like A killing spree Across the nation Jeez Louise Lived in Hocas and not too far from where Jamie's from.

So be on the lookout. For his ghost. Okay, so very cool artwork. A little scary person on the cover. That's a horribly scary person. Yeah, this is awesome. Was that too scary for this? No, that was not for me. Too scary!

I gotta say, after doing this podcast for however many years, Who drew this? No, that was not for me. Too scary. It might have been. I gotta say, after doing this podcast for like however many years, I don't think I've ever seen a packaging like that. And I've seen, we've seen a lot. I'm like, I'm not gonna say it, never mind. You're like a head. I was gonna say I'm like Jamie's mom on the weekends, I see a lot of packages. But I'm not gonna say it. I just need to say it. Becausey works like overnight at the ups

yeah put out on the docks um but i've yeah i've never seen a package packaging like this for a date this is this is incredible i love that it's gonna make the 90 worth it once i finally are you gonna buy i think i'm gonna buy that one day the trigger yeah i don't know if i really want it it's actually i have a digital copy of it and it's super good too yeah oh the tape is it's like someone made a tape today but really wanted to make it the aesthetics were 1987 and they nailed it they nailed it yeah and they let me see the nubs oh yeah check out the nubs because the case is glued to the inside of the thing. Oh, this is a standard. They've been doing this nub for a while, it seems. Is it the tri-tip? It's the tri-tip, Danny.

Yeah, they call that, at the factory, the legacy nub. The legacy nub. The legacy nub. All right, what's next, Chris? Yeah, Chris, what else you got? What else should we play? I got some stuff here, too, from Delaware. Yeah.

Why don't you go next? No, no, no, no, I like this. How about the Toxic Holocaust tape? That's a good one that does sound scary that's a big masonic number yeah i always think it's crazy very metal yeah joel grind uh grew up in delaware city moved to newcastle yeah so toxic holocaust it's not the other artists on there toxic holocaust is a delaware band correct i never knew that dave grindy he's been in portland probably for 20 some years a long time but they used to come to shows like him and his buddies and they wore like the devil lock like the misfits right yeah uh they were great yeah i remember picking this up at shark's tavern like do you remember shark's tavern

it was like the pool hall yeah it was a billiards place that no i never went there bill didn't was there more than one toxic holocaust i only know how Joel Grimes. Just Joel Grimes. How do you find this on Discogs? What do I look for? Toxic, um... Hold on. Two words. Two words. So when were they around?

What time period? I mean, this is from 99, but he's still going. Yeah, still active. Still go... Oh, wow, you gotta love that. They're huge. Oh, really? Yeah, they're like a big metal band.

Yeah. I spelled Toxic Holocaust wrong on Discogs, and I just got the blurg comp on Slapaham. a ham you remember that yeah it's like uh how many bands do you think we're on seven 100 is it 100 yeah on which volume one two or three blurg the cd so i think it's a collection of all of them now it's 166 bands 277 songs do you think any of you're from delaware i mean odds are yeah i think they're all anal cunts on here, they played Delaware infamously. Oh, put them on the website. Put them on, he has that on the website. It'll be on the website.

Who booked them at that daycare? He did. That was me. It was a daycare? Yeah, because Girls Inc., it was like a daycare during the day, and then they did shows at night. Yeah. Yeah, you probably shouldn't do that.

It was like a punk, pop punk show, then Chris was like, you know who else should play? Now, how does something like that fall into your project a show that happened in delaware it doesn't really involve any delaware bands right unless any locals play i don't remember well there were like three long island pop punk bands yeah but didn't the one kids band from blank check play no that was a different different show oh yeah um oh that i'm glad you brought that up we should that should be a footnote it should be a footnote we'll talk about that i mean i think i don't want to speak for chris as far as where that should land but it should be on the list of things that happen yeah there's gonna be a shows page yeah so that'll be a part of like the venues so girls necrosis pictures that

you showed me right we're crazy are we played in milton or something milton or dover yeah at a house yeah pain of mine tour at the yeah fBK house. They were a Delaware hardcore band. Crazy. Yeah. So, like, are we talking about documenting every single show? We're going to try. In Delaware. Every one of them.

From what? What's the time period? So, I think we just start with what we find interesting, what we think is fun, and then we fill in the blanks later if someone wants to submit something. It can spiderweb off of there. Yeah, that's why it's living. I love it. As you, you know, maybe find a new scene that you didn't even know right now we have over 1100

shows um archived and by the way chris this is this tape is worth over a hundred dollars on discogs i used to have three of chris is bringing some cash to the play um you did see the contract that you signed that all these tapes stay here yeah i did not they belong to the show now this is another one i feel like chris can you tell me you have a numbered copy do you know what you have in the 30s 37 27 out of 40 27 out of 40 well this jay cart really folds out and i you may have said it where was sharks in was Sharks in Newcastle? Price's Corner near Acme. You know where the Habitat for Humanity Restore is? Yeah. Today's episode is brought to you by the Habitat for Humanity Restore off of Kirkwood Highway.

Rest in peace, Jimmy Carter. It was... Oh, yeah. Who else played that show? I don't recall. Oh, okay. Maybe Opera Schnicky, probably. Opera Schnicky?

Speaking of Opera Schnicky, does anyone want to read the thank you list on the inside inside of this show oh number one opera schnicky genetic distribution tabato colon rupture oh yeah grems misprints black banner noise grind and dumplings sharks joe me josie andrea becky ryan eric george for breaking necks at our show. I guess that dude goes hard. Joe E. Matt. Chad. Just kidding. The Delaware Thrasher crew and the people who come to our shows.

Hell yeah. Radiation sickness, dude. Now, Joe, let me real quick. This is sick. I wanted to distract you to kind of clear your mind because I'm going to show you something that's going to blow it. Oh, okay. I want you to look at the nubs on this Naroko case. Oh, shit.

And you are inferred. I'm going to open it for you. Take a look at that. I want reaction. Tubes! There are tubes in there. Tubular nubs. Tubular nubs.

Wow. It's like... Tubular nubs. Tubular nubs. Tubular. The nubs that are inside the Naroko case, I don't know how they madeubs. It's like tubular nubs. Tubular nubs. Tubular. The nubs inside the binocular case, I don't know how they made it. It's like baked ziti. I've never seen it before.

No wonder this takes $100. And they got this little ridge. Did you see that? On the left and right, there's a little like, oh yeah, to kind of hold. I want to go back to something Chris said. He said, you said there's only 40 of them and Chris said he had three of them. So Chris had almost 10% of all in existence.

How did you manage that, Chris? At that shark show, I really liked Toxic Holocaust so I got three copies from Joel. I sold the other two. I like your band so much, I buy multiple copies. Well, I used to set up and sell records at shows. So I would set up at Shark's Tavern. So I'd get stuff from the local bands.

So you can hustle it later. Correct. Alright, let's do one more. Let's do one more from Chris's box or from yours. Okay. I mean, you can also just look through these. Let me see what you have. There's just a few hardcore bands from the 90s. We'll talk about that. Yeah.

We've played this one on the show before. Not we. Before my time You know what I have a request Chris Who's Polyglot? Not all of those are done Faith No More is in there I think It's very random but that's where those were I have a request to end this podcast

That Project X compilation Excellent You sent over a picture of some of these tapes Yes so the Project X tape This is a great one and I actually don't own this. This is a borrow from Billy. Mr. Gentle Jones lent this to me. Oh, very nice.

I've been looking for it for years. There's a vinyl copy and then this cassette copy. I don't know how many were made, but Project X, 1990, Wilmington Hip Hop, Grand G. This is a killer tape.

I don't know anything about this. This is from like 1990. This label, Tomorrow's Gold Records. It's a local hip hop label. 89, 90. Oh, crazy. Put out like a handful of stuff.

Local artists. Wow. Real McCoy Troy. The guy who ran the label. Okay. I think he's still like active in like the arts in the area. Oh, what are the nubs like? Get a feel on those. It's a tri-nub, Jamie. Legacy. Oh, what are the nubs like? Here, check it out. Get a feel on those.

It's a tri-nub, Jamie. Legacy, yeah. It's a legacy. You gotta love the classics, though. Yeah. Mike, you wanna see this? Yeah, hand that over, because that J-Card also folds.

Chris, I wanna say this tape is not on Discogs. It should be. It should be? Yeah. Okay, I'm looking for it. Armed and dangerous? Hell yeah,

the presentation of this is friggin' insanely... I guess my only complaint, I gotta get down... I found it. Nice. I'm gonna get down into the dumb weeds of just standard layout shit. How it's like, the one side's upside down, the back... It's rookie.

You flip it. It's the 90s, dude. You flip it, yeah, you can flip it. Check out that box phone on the front. That cell phone that he's got up to his ear? Oh, hell yeah and what's that like a tommy gun and a tommy gun yeah this jay cart folds out one two three four five six panels and each panel is like a promo shot they went to macy's they went to macy's and they

got the promo shot um or pennies but are all of these artists on this comp are they all from or were they all from wilmingmington, correct, yeah Hell yeah Yeah, the project of Grand G, so he kind of put it together He recorded and did a lot of the beats for the music It looks like Tomorrow's Gold Records was from Greenville, Delaware What? I saw that their P.O. box was in Greenville, which seems wild

That's a Very high end, very, very That's where Biden lives, if anybody doesn't know That's right Oh yeah, and by the way, speaking of, special guest joining us for this Delaware episode. Ladies and gentlemen, the 46th President of the United States,

Joseph R. Biden. Robinette. He's muted. You gotta unmute it, Joe. He's just waving at the screen. I'm gonna hang up on him all right so what are we playing from this you don't win but I think we do a Riverside bucket to six is that the first song on the tape it's the second track you have a cute I do have a cute oh that's the only one I figured Jamie

would do the rest for me. He's good at that. All right. First block. Waz. Toxic Holocaust. And say it again for me. Project X.

Project X. But who's the artist? Who's the artist? I'm sorry? Who's on the second track? Oh my God. Oh, MC Isaiah. I'm sorry. MC Isaiah.

And MC Isaiah. And MC Isaiah. Thank you. The Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go ahead and do that. Go! Get it in the bin, get it in the bin, get it in the bin, eat a fucking child I'm a man of my word, I'm a man of my word I'm a man of my word, I'm a man of my word I'm a man of my word, I'm a man of my word I'm a man of my word, I'm a man of my word I'm a man of my word, I'm a man of my word I'm a man of my word, I'm a make you cry I'm gonna make you cry I'm gonna make you cry I'm gonna make you cry I'm gonna make you cry I'm gonna make you cry I'm gonna make you cry

If you play, you're still an idiot You're stepping to the ground, I know that's your fault You're the best, don't make a problem You're the king of broken hearts, the strongest thing you've ever loved But I can't give you that, I never loved it Every time I eat this, get in the, get in the bed, get in the bed, get in the bed Leave the fucking show Get in the bed, get in the bed, get in the bed

Leave the fucking show Get in the bed, get in the bed, get in the bed Leave the fucking show Get in the bed, get in the bed, get in the bed Or leave the fucking show And the best for leader fighting show All bow to Isaiah All bow to Isaiah All bow to Isaiah All bow to Isaiah All bow to Isaiah

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RIP PSY, FUCKING 2-6 Yo, it ain't nothin' to keep the crowd jumpin' Long till Trimble goes and the bass keeps bumpin' 2-6 smooth the crowd like a gunshot And brothers jealous of us, cause all the clout do we got now Yo, I grip the microphone, tell it steady My voice, I cut the damn record till the crowd gets ready And I can hold the tune till the mic is fast

Take off my shirt and watch the girls attack Cause I'm a terrorist and threaten them The microphone tell it steady My voice will cut the damn record Till the crowd gets ready And I can hold the tune Till the mic dispatch Take off my shirt And watch the girls attack Cause I'm a terrorist and threatin' her Super rhyme detonate Rhyme so damn wrong That you never be forgettin' her

Lyrics, I'm bustin' Keep suckers tossin' Give me the mic so I can do it While I'm hustlin' Word, I set the tempo First step out the limo You like the raw jam Cause it's a stupid hype demo

Young boy shot a block Me cop stick couldn't stop in the evening, hit by Tyson Couldn't even fucking drop me strong Cause I gotta be ruthless Posse is thick, leaving motherfuckers toothless P-Bo, my motherfucking sidekick Tyson's not gonna reckon to people it ain't shit Cops is always beefing

About the cars we drive And the knots we be keeping Bitches always on a tip While they swinging with their man, but he won't say shit Bro, try to pull out a pistol Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody!

Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody!

Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Everybody! Chokin' you, and see your ass on your way And tell the rest of those faggots the projects don't play

Then a show, then my sidekick people Punks, they be clockin' and jackin' dead on my limo Dyin' just to see who's inside Bitches always screamin', yo, can we ride? I just wanna be seen with a posse to stick And tell the girls the next day they was rolling with two six hard knocks Terrorizing every damn city block No matter where we go, it gets hot

Cops, bombs around the block Just wait for a young punk to come and get dropped Musical mass, a disaster, cause it has to be MC's thoughts smack, but come after me They follow my footsteps, word for word, it should have kept quiet they run and run but don't try you wake up stunned from a dream leaves your tits left cold sweats cover your body you're the fist left so high in the hell can you hang with the slang that I made talking smack but two sickas getting paid got no's I do suppose they thought the brother was

threatened now they know I'm back in the flow so ain't nothing hardcore's a wizard's throat but other jacks They get ain't nothing to it Just cause two sixes can do it, they're all punks Callin' show troopers, why they run? Check your pockets, all packed in plastic You know what I'm sayin', creeps They carry beepers that don't beep They come in two six, that means trouble and heads deep

You call yourself a trooper when the fuck is your truce? When all my boys up in your face takin' your blues Hollerin'. Bruce out. Everybody. Bruce out. Everybody. Bruce out. Everybody. Bruce out. Everybody. Bruce out. Everybody. Bruce out. Everybody. Bruce out. Everybody.

Bruce out. Everybody. Bruce out. Everybody. Yo, I like to say what's up to my main, Sistaine Grandee. For how he produced this super dope jam for the project. You know what I'm saying? And my sidekick, P-Bo, straight off off the hump,

fuck, tick, buckling, motherfuckers, y'all not me, and everybody else out there in the 2-6 posse, Tasha, Battle, Cap, Moni, my main ace in the hole, and the rest of the brothers, peace. Rusted up by those P's. We don't know how to get down. We don't know how to get down. Get off my tip before you fall and trip.

When I grab the microphone, I just rip. When I heard about the rap, I got mad. Went into my room, picked up a pen and a pad. Silk got upset. I said, Silk, chill When we grab the microphone, we're gonna go for the kill Silk, are you ready? It's time to start We're gonna diss these girls like a work of art Cause I'll meet you and greet you and teach you

Then I'll beat you, school you, rule you, girl Then I'll fool you, take my time We go live, a lot, so when I enter the rhyme I'll fuck up your mind Girls, get up, step it, cause we're all getting paid But to be a rap star, you can't be afraid. They say we're sorry. So give me a break.

Is the hair in the head just a fake? G, I want some bass, then just a beat To let them know that the shit ain't weak Pump it up loud, then make it strong To let them know what I'm saying's not wrong Weak MCs, I'm taken out by the 50s So leave the party, if you ain't with me Don't get upset, just be alarmed Cause I'm about to hit you, my sensational charm

Two female rappers, that's going to the top Trying to hell, can we be stopped Hitting harder than hard, can never be weak Cause we're at the point of reaching the peak Hit like ounce, make your body bounce Get off my chest Hit it like an ounce, make your body bounce Doing things your way is worthless, it's mine when it counts Getting rap backlash, no one in me cash

You be the short lip, my beat is gonna last As long as you live, I'll choose to serve Let low urge your beat swing at my curve I've carried an arena of your raps Another man perhaps will attack MC's all a duck, go to try their luck I got your rap failed and you get the hell up When you do rapping you're just through The best of what I would ask and you know it ain't you

Full of born-its and short-its, maybes and mights Get off wishful thinking, get realities in life Once an ex but now I'm the beginner You're like thick rope but getting thinner I'll add you right as Rooney falls Saw style, wax style, identity laws Cause I'm the boss Whippin' and dippin' your group's brutal shards Silk, how the hell you livin'? I'm them laws, don't keep a sweep, the wheat, they're just cheap

You wanna be unique with your anti-beat How do you recognize the beat is dope? Cause it's incredibly incredible, denied to be broke Some females rhyme like a wussy We's gettin' butch cause the beats are all mushy Weather understood, away off base Supreme, brutal cut, dismiss, that's the case Incompetent to produce originals

Pay for that beat should be optional Well, how to melt you down like a popsicle Your style's more sour than a pickle Don't tickle my fancy and claim we're in him Silk and satin in the back, so get off my tip Thank you. Three, two, one, we're back Go ahead Yeah, so we just heard a couple tracks off the Project X Arm and Dangerous tape No, you're doing it wrong

I'll show you how to do it Start from the beginning Wait you start from the beginning You start from this block Why don't we work back Nope That's not how we do it Because that's not how we

I've listened to a couple Of these episodes before Because we don't do it that way Paul Delorean Okay start Start over and try it again So that last block We started with Waz

Off the Music from Philadelphia tape After that we heard The Toxic Holocaust. Keep going. Radiation sickness. Self-release. And then two tracks off Project X. You had a little bit of a wow and flutter with your... I don't think you're going to get $100 for the Toxic Holocaust.

The quality is degraded. I should have held on to one of those other copies. I liked it. We called an audible and played two tracks from the Project X. Right. Yeah. Comp right. MC Isaiah, Riverside Bucket 2-6, and played two tracks from the Project X. Right. Yeah. Comp, right? MC Isaiah, Riverside Bucket 2-6, and then the Silk and Satin track. Get off my tip.

And there's something in there. Both those tracks were recorded at the same studio. Do you know anything about the studio? I don't. Was that the one that was in? Well, I don't know. Greenville. Grand G put it together.

It says on the liner notes of the project x-comp yeah god there's it's it says uh powerplay studio okay no we know if that's a local place no i guess we don't really know if those artists were absolutely from wilmington do we a few of them are yeah the third dynasty Third Dynasty, yeah, Silk and Satin. What's the one Delaware record, Chris, the guy from Claymont that's like the first sampled? The Dreamies, Bill Holt record. Bill Holt record. Yeah.

I don't think there's a cassette. I have it on vinyl. Yeah. That would be cool. That's a great one. All right, I'm going to start this block. Oh, you're going to play something now? Now that we kind of got the groove to it we know

what's going on yeah um i'm gonna play something from from from my olden days adjacent adjacent this was my friend's band in high school okay that counts that counts as your use but i was like uh the roadie oh yeah you know what i mean oh yeah i was like that yeah you were that's yeah. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I was like the hangar on. Yeah, you were. I know all about that kind of stuff. So you don't have to pay the five bucks. You'd bring in.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I've been a hangar on years. I'm still at it. I carry the stuff and I look cool. Well, when you can't do anything on your own, you carry stuff. You carry stuff, yeah. So this was Pat, Dante, Jason, and Dan, Danny Bogart, who then went on to be in Joshua for Battle, a band I was in.

Pre-Joshua for Battle. So this is a proto-Joshua for Battle band. This is proto-Joshua, JFFB, a band called Union. Mikey, the tape you've been waiting for just came in. From what? What are we talking about? 1994? 94 or 95?

94 or 95. Mid-90s. First year of high school. I would definitely say 94 because they played Paul's arcade. They played the arcade off of Main Street in the shopping center. Oh, your friend that's from Poland. Yeah, my friend that's from Poland. Would they also play high school's show?

Yeah, I definitely probably played the Christiana High School, one of my first shows. It says here, and i don't know i guess they're trying to be funny here if you want us to play a show that party yeah bar mitzvah or bachelorette in parentheses party yeah call dante at 2922 wow what a number 2922828 wow i bet that's still his parents phone number you want to call it they still live there no don't or pat at 4549440 i bet they still live there no don't or pat at 454-9440 i bet they still live there too didn't even bother putting the area code that that's classic that's so delaware that's so classic don't even put the area code um so this is the how many song demo

four song demo six song demo uh do you want to guess on what kind of nubs are in here try nub legacy nub so Legacy nub. So what other... They didn't have the money for the... Chris, how... Tubular. No, no way. How deep into like the 90s Delaware hardcore scene? I imagine that's like a main focus.

Yeah, because that was our era. So, you know, I saved a lot of stuff from that era. Flyers from the 90s. I was buying records back then. So I still have all that so um but there wasn't really a lot of tape stuff in my memory there were some tapes some yeah seven inches were hot seven inches were easy and they were hot yeah they were cheap to make yeah you could buy them for three bucks you know a good way to get you know five dollars for an lp

three to five songs out there yeah yeah yeah they were more common than cassettes i'd say what kind of crazy shows uh did you maybe miss and find while doing some research for this stuff we already knew about so i knew about the fugazi show that happened in 95 i was there joe went to that one that was one of your first shows right how much did you pay to get in the door five bucks you bet just checking yeah and where was that it was at the little bob the little bob carpenter center yeah all right yeah yeah and segway clevenger played that right yep yeah which we brought their tape yeah you should play that yeah so clevenger was pre or proto uh elder janice set so courtney on vocals tim nichols on drums was alan in that band? No, so Alan replaced

Rob Avery. And then Aaron on bass. Where's the Clevenger tape? Let's see. You guys keep talking about Clevenger. I don't know anything about that. I think you'll like this, Jamie. From around the same time, right? The 90s? Yep, 95 for that one, probably.

Man, the graphic design. Oh my god. Tubular nubs. Oh, no shit. There's no way. There's no way. I'm going to lose my mind. Give me fuel, give me fire, give me that which I desire. Holy shit. Did you just switch this out with something else?

What? Chris has been practicing some close magic. What's it called? Sleight of hand. Sleight of hand. These nubs, though, they are like Big ZD. There's a hole. The other ones were solid. No, they weren't. They werenubs, though, they are like Big ZD. There's a hole. The other ones were solid.

No, they weren't. They weren't? No, they had the hole. And this has the little ridge on the side. You know one thing I'm noticing with all these tapes? Everyone, it must have been so cheap in the 90s to get a P.O. box. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Everyone's got a P.O. box. Well, they don't want somebody to go to your home address. Why? Who cares? It's your parents' address. Let's be honest it's the mid 90's You live with your parents I did a record label and I just put my parents address on it Who cares

There's still actually Whoever bought my childhood home Which was two years ago this would have been If you go into the attic Of the house all the way in the far back corner my dad couldn't reach it there are some 1am radio lb jackets and some messed up hot cross records if anyone remembers those bands uh and they're all the way in the attic all the way in the back and there's no floor in the attic so you got to walk on the beam and my dad was like

i couldn't get there so i just left them up there so if anybody wants them they're still there at my parents' house. Noted. Oh, Chris, yeah, for the archive, if you need that. Thanks. If you want to put on there that, like a little treasure map type thing. So what were some other, maybe ones? Shows from the 90s that I missed, or just memorable ones?

Maybe like earlier 90s, something cool. Yeah, so Zen Gorilla was around. They started in Delaware. They came out of like, you know, Marcus Hook, Andy Duvall. They played a lot of good early shows. I saw them a couple times. Did you? Yeah,

I saw them a little later after they moved to San Francisco and then came back. I caught them a couple times. Other 90s shows. So Mike, I mean, a little later,

like you did some cool shows. Oh, this is. Well, we got to talk about Burn the Priest, Dillinger Escape Plan. Yeah, there were some shows. Oh, this is... Well, we got to talk about Burn the Priest, Dillinger Escape Plan. There were some crazy...

Yeah, Boy Sets Fire in a Garage in Bear, Delaware. So how does that work on your website? Sure. Is that a show that's... Absolutely. So all shows, yeah, Boy Sets Fire, Shoplifters both played. But even if there were no Delaware bands, that's a show that happened at a venue in Delaware.

So there'll be a shows page. With all that stuff. So yeah, Beach Boys playing at the Armory back in 1965. Right down the street from here. And then King Crimson playing there in 1972. And this actually... That's a transition.

That's how you do it. Yeah, but here's the thing. We were kind of in a mid-90s hardcore block. I was kind of getting ready to mosh pit in here. And now all of a sudden you're bringing up King Crimson. We don't have to seg to it now. Yeah, but that is a good thing. You know what it's called.

I'll tell you what it's called. Foreshadowing. Let's foreshadow. I don't like that. I learned that on this show. I don't do that stuff. Yeah, 90s stuff. So we had shows at Girls Inc.

It was a popular place Yeah we did lots of good shows there I saw Converge there Yeah Today's the Day Converge Yeah it was great I saw Bouncing Souls there

Yep And on that Dillinger show I think Burn the Priest played Who's now Lamb of God Yeah Correct They play Delaware all the time They play Delaware a lot

Yeah like a lot Well over They're from like Richmond right Yeah Yeah they would always come through I have a few more Are they from Delaware's for you. Okay. DJ Jazzy Jeff.

He moved to Delaware. You know, he's West Philly. He's been in Bear, though, for the last 20 years. So Nightmare on My Street is a Delaware song. No. No. But anything after that is. Is he still putting out material?

Yeah. Under the name DJ Jazzy Jeff? Yeah, he still DJs. I know that. Still does live parties. I feel like I saw a video on the internet of this record dude that comes to him. He buys records from. So it was like a van that backed up in his driveway.

And it was just filled with records. And he was buying from this guy. That's a long time ago. Say that one more time. Say that story one more time. No, why? Just say it one more time. Say that story one more time. No, why? Just say it one more time. Okay.

I feel like I saw this little video of him buying records from this dude in a van. A mobile. A mobile. Yeah. Okay. It took me a while to find it. I don't use this one often. It took me a while to try to say it again.

Okay. So we got Union and Clevenger. And Clevenger, yeah. Do we want to round out? We could do another 90s. I mean, Boy Sets Fire. We probably have to. Is that the flagship?

Yes. Hardcore. Political hardcore. Political hardcore. Play song! Big in Germany. Big in Germany. Stop preaching.

Stop preaching. Huge in Germany. You can't stop them in Germany. Yeah. So this here is from 95 this was the second demo tape yeah this is uh i actually got this at the first uh hardcore show i went to and that's where paul my partner in this project uh and i met oh look at that serendipitous is that true it is yeah who else played that show uh caterpillar fuck yeah caterpillar was the first

schroeder was the first man iied of Salt yeah nice very similar shows mine was Caterpillar Marmalade Schroeder and Walleye after a while they all sound the same

nice mine was at the Bacchus Theater at the Hen Zone with Schroeder Boy Sets Fire Caterpillar

and The Crash oh The Crash University of Delaware yeah it was a promotion for the WVUD Scary Roommate CD oh fuck yeah let me ask you a question am I holding the same Boy Sets Fire demo as you or is this the other University of Delaware venue Yeah it was a Promotion for the WVUD Scary Roommate CD

Oh fuck yeah Let me ask you a question Am I holding the same Boy Sets Fire demo as you Or is this the other one Oh you have the first one This is the four song demo Yeah that has

Three subject notebook on it And god damn P.O. Box 303 Everyone had a P.O. Box Yeah Yeah that's the first one Yeah This is the first one

I love the What's How much does that go on Discogs Jamie Cause I'm sure that's Oh yeah you should be Checking all this for us, by the way Find out whose is worth more The Boys Said Fire 4 song demo

Well, I just added this version like maybe a month ago Oh, I'm going to check your work The Manila envelope Oh, it wasn't on there? Oh, you're in trouble It wasn't Because I feel like Sal told me one time he was like Bootleggin'

I'm sorry, Jamie What, Bootleggin' Boys Said Fire demos? Yeah I think that's fine Yeah yeah i mean he was buying the envelope and like that might be not true at all well let's put it this way i don't think boy sets fire was getting like special manila envelopes they were getting the regular ones from staples like anybody else well yeah so the ones i was making wasn't like oh it wasn't like a bad like gucci knockoff who and like real, the nubs were going to

fall off. Like with the shoe videos where you knock it and this is fake? Yeah. He used the same materials is what you're saying? Can we do that for tapes? Like people bring us a tape and I get it and I go, you hear that? When I hit it like that it's supposed to sound like popcorn popping. Okay, so.

How'd I do, Jamie? The four song demo has never been sold on Discogs before Wow But it's in 74 people's want list And only two people have it So I would say That's around 50 to 100 dollars Read it in a weep

You 74 assholes The four song demo I'm very surprised Premonition Change Revolt Has been sold 45 dollars 45, okay No, not the version Chris has

Not the version I have No, the version in the envelope Has never been sold Only Three people have it In their want list because it's relatively new to the site. And Chris, it looks like you did a good job adding it. Did I? Yeah.

Jamie approves. We were really worried for a while. I think you should have cropped that image a little bit. I can see your fingers on the sides of it a little bit. Jamie's gotten yelled at before. Yeah, you got to crop those images. And Jamie will be flagging that image. Remember when Jamie told us he copies

the blank side of the thing? If the back of the J card is blank, he copies the back of the J card and puts the image on. And then he got yelled at? Yeah, that's against the rules. But I like knowing that there's no missing images. I want to see a complete set of images. I imagine Jamie wearing nothing but

tighty-whities and museum gloves with his special CD scanner. He has some sort of glasses, too. With a little magnifying glass in the lens. I'm imagining a steampunk type thing with two jeweler's loops on the front of his eyes. Yes, yes, yes. So this is...

Should we do four? I feel like a four-band show seems like the right way to go. Chris knows right where to go. And Chris is reaching right in there. So we could do high karate. This was from 89 or 90. I feel like they would have been broken up by the time this show went on.

What else do you got? What do you got over there? Because that definitely could be a show. That could be our 80s. Network 34. What do you got? Oh, Network 34. Do you have a Network 34 tape?

No, I thought you did. You do. In this box? Someone does. So that's going back to Clevenger, same drummer, Tim Nichols. I know we're not doing the Boy Sets Fire demo that I have, but look, like, did they not have color toner yet? No, it was the 90s.

Oh, it was the 90s. John Burke could only get the card from the black and white printer. You had to go to the library or get the Kinko's card. Scott Bauman gave you a Kinko's card. And you made these shitty covers. Okay, you want to talk about this Network 34 tape, Chris? Sure.

I haven't seen this one. I wonder... Oh, it's the same. Yeah, I have the CD version at home. So Tim Nichols, Mark Karpansky. Mark Karpansky.

Matt Karpansky is in Boy Sets Fire. Yeah, this was his younger brother. Younger brother. And then Jeff... Jeff Barbas. Jeff Barbas.

That's right, Jeff Barbas. This is good because a lot of people can share equipment At the show Yeah exactly Good good Because I gotta be home

Early Oh yeah My mom says I gotta be home way early Only one person has It takes three people To make a full drum set Yeah

You know what I mean This tape Not on Discogs They only have a CD One CD from 1996 Is on Discogs That's it You'll have to add this one

Yeah And then you said Tim is in Clevenger In Clevenger And then I was going to say It should be said Nick Rotundo recorded

Like all these bands We should talk about it Oh yeah Clay Creek recording Clay Creek recording Yeah he was recording Everybody It was a pretty

That's where Joshua Battle Recorded the first thing Yeah Lots of bands Everybody I mean I'd say Thousands Because of the

Jade Tree connection too Right Sure Lots of Oh we didn't bring up jade tree record jade tree records from delaware yeah uh railhead we're a delaware jade tree band about railhead was that guy real tall uh stew yeah stew was super tall i love thinking about just some random person tuning into the podcast and being like i'd like to learn about delaware music history and after an hour they're like was that guy tall still was really tall still was huge right yeah he's seven nine bumped his head all the time always hitting the top of the doorway fucking one of the greatest bands of all time yeah do we have a list uh jamie you should be on this go to find nick rotundo and discogs and find all of his credits his reporting you know i've never met him before well for being for rest in music in delaware oh yeah he passed away in like what 2017 yeah nick was great because i didn't go i wish i would have went to that show it was cool

yeah so railhead i i hate you damnation yeah what am i looking up exactly why what what bands he worked with yeah i remember giving him i I was doing a record, I think, for maybe Joshua Fiffer Battle. And I had a bunch of dat tapes that I need to convert it. Oh, okay. And I gave it to him. And then like a year later,

after asking him like every month or so, you know, did you do that yet? Did you do that yet? Being like the dickhead who has this stupid little task for him to do when he has real work to do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He eventually gave them back and was just like, I'm not doing this. Oh. And I was like, I was mad at the time, but now i'm like respect respect big time respect i love it i would love to be the person at my job a year later to give you back all your supplies

and be like i decided not to obese pharaohs of funk oh yeah nitrous we're fine we're fine serpico nero huntington nero yep huntington the joy poppers phantom limbs boy sets fire rigid oh x jersey bands 121 fields lay yellow feels a follow yellow come on fucking uh spirit assembly dudes yeah yeah all right well you want to get into these all right yeah let's go to the show. I got five bucks and actually, I have a can of food.

So you're getting four bucks. Four bucks. You're getting four. Just don't pull the fire alarm. And the Food Not Bombs people made rice and beans. Oh, hell yeah. And cookies that don't taste

like anything. And I have a whole table full of leaflets. Oh, good. Cool. Let's do this. So we'll start off. Union's going to open.

Then what? Clevenger. Network 34. And then Boyz II Fire. Yeah. All right. That's great. Play a song! start off union's gonna open then what clevenger network 34 and then before it's close yeah all right that's great play a song Watch this damn time! The self-organized society has finally begun! And I saw heaven opened up! And it was closed with a message of 579! And the armies followed

with his sword he was slain the nation he will rule with a rod the lion, the beast, the satan and with him the prophet received the mark of the beast with the anointing who worships his image These words judge

When I saw the first coming of life I saw the soul among them They were beheaded the way of some Jesus and I shall not die when I rise again He will be free too This day in the nations will once again fire his hands out and give out his name to the dead for done, and I saw

They look alive They're dancing out, and then there's those in it And they were cast away I saw heaven open up It was not where I first understood It was not Hey, I'm a clown Can I respond? Then you strike, close my eyes, turn out the lights Dark inside, cold inside, we burn and end Just letting time light right through my veins What all is the lure?

Are we just feeling good? Need it, need a dance We burn when we just, just break down But we sit down, can't see too far We up, wake up Falling on the things that I, that I see So well this time can't pretend Make like I haven't made this bed

And the childlike face Another one Wake up, wake up If you were to leave, I'd be confused to see One small step to me, just leave me behind Oh, the night that the last of us has run through One small step to you, just leave me behind I can't stop shaking anymore, I can't stop shaking And you just can't stop

Changing your mind Yeah guitar solo But I can't stop shaking Close my eyes, look at me shine Close my eyes, turn out the lights Up inside, cold inside We burn and then set aside Light Light And the sun is gone, but you, but you might wake up, wake up. This uniform doesn't matter

a thing He is a monster He is a hero He is a hero! You always said it would matter

You're the only thing that's ever heard You're the only thing that's ever read I can't give a fuck, I can't give a fuck anymore But the devil always forgets the truth And they will be afraid to say But the devil always forgets the truth Fuckin' down hard We're not supposed to deal with it What you say? Fuckin' down hard We're not supposed to play hard Fuckin' down hard

Fuck it Fuckin' down hard Thank you. I'm a hacker of the dead You are now the witness Of a country's pride Taking to the dark, believing In the god-given right Raging with big redemption Burning wars to solve We're being rejected Burning walls and walls Gaze, ears and the screen

I'm not just sucking your hair What I mean Master The job gets done For the good of the man Salvation's a cork With a morning child Salvation's a leader

Burning out the bile The file You are now the witness Of a country deprived Of taking to the non-believers It's a goddamn crime Rhyming, rhyming, rejection Burning walls to fall I'm running wild, I'm running wild guitar solo Such a fucking machine Yes sir I will Such a fucking machine Trained to kill Such a fucking machine

Yes sir I will Such a fucking machine Trained to kill Such a fucking machine Trained to kill Such a fucking machine Trained to kill Such a fucking machine

Yes sir I will Such a fucking machine Tra trying to kill such a fucking machine And so I will, such a fucking machine I'm trying to kill such a fucking machine I'm trying to kill such a fucking machine I'm trying to kill such a fucking machine I'm trying to I'm a machine We're back That show was good That was a good set

Nobody pulled the fire alarm Someone burnt the flag outside though Now we're 34 Or excuse me, Union, six song demo I got the new heart effect Someone burnt the flag outside, though. Clevenger four-song demo. Network 34. Or, excuse me, Union six-song demo. Hey, two more. I got the new heart attack. For those people. Oh, Michelle Nuisho's the heart attack of 50 cents.

Clevenger four-song demo, Network 34, and The Boy Sets Fire. Premonition, change, revolt. Self-release. Can you say it five times, five times fast? No. I'm going to make you. Chris, is there any... Do we have to put a button on this?

On this block? Anything you want to finalize? Any final thoughts? Final thoughts on 90s hardcore in Delaware. From the Delaware Music History Archive. From the, Chris, from the Delaware Music History Archive. What's the change? Nothing?

Nothing. Okay, I got another one of those. Are they from Delaware? And I have my answer. I want to see yours. I noticed you brought a tape. $75 bill. Not a Delaware band, but I brought it just to talk about.

Rick Brown lived in Delaware during his formative years. Went to McCain High School. Was making music and then moved to New York in his early tapes in the early 80s. Yeah, we're after he moved away from Delaware and then $75 bill of course was in the last like 10 15 years so I think you need a whole section if this is an actual museum yeah you need like a room like a separate it can be a little toy like the bathroom too but it's all that stuff all the extra stuff sure miscellaneous miscellaneous stuff uh the kid

from blank check right the blank check movie um what was the name of his band i did that spastic spastic was it yeah they play girls yeah yeah which kid was he from blank check he was yeah yeah his brother no it wasn't even oh he was in sandlot sandlot what i know okay yeah somebody else was his brother was in blank check right brother two child? Oh, he was in Sandlot, too. Sandlot. Okay, yeah. Somebody else was in it. His brother was in Blank Check. Right. Two child actors. He was in the Sandlot. Now, does that make it into, is there like a special plaque at your museum? Special plaque.

Do you get something from the Sandlot movie? Like the ball that they hit over? You can get the ball. Or like a s'more? Yeah, if we could get a s'more or something from Sandlot. And what about Bob Marley should be somewhere in there. Yeah, in this one. Didn't we talk about this in the beginning? I don't know if it was on the air Everybody claims him

I thought we were talking About television Okay I thought No Bob Marley we talked about Oh I wasn't listening Sorry I've been to the Bob Marley Fest Oh yeah

People's Fest People's Fest Yeah Good for you Okay here we go Okay what's the Let's do a final block Chris

Do we want to do Where do you want to take this The 80s block Yeah Let's do some 80s 1980s That takes me want to do an 80s? Where do you want to take this? The 80s block? Yeah. Let's do some 80s. 1980s. That takes me back. Yeah.

Takes me back to when I was a little boy. I'm an 80s boy. We could start with the high karate tape. Actually, there's one thing I want. I don't know high karate. Who's that? Aldeval and Andy Duvall. Can I do one thing before we move on?

Do it. Because we were talking about the printing on these tapes, and it's like, oh, that's all you had was the black and white, the Echo's card. Yeah. about like the printing on these tapes and it's like oh that's all you had was the black and white the echoes card yeah so there was a copy shop print shop in wilmington delaware on maryland avenue god i love if you're not from delaware listen to this episode oh do we already talk about that yeah like how centric this episode is and i don't care i want that i think after years of doing this i can talk about loud and proud yeah um there was a print shop called academy printing they're now closed uh we went there people from my work went there to like kind of you know just sort through the bones yeah see what's left scavenge and i found a cassette tape there from wilm radio

september 1st 1992 academy printing it's a 51 second radio spot that's their jingle radio spot so do we want to real quick jamie can we uh yeah let's go let's let's play that unmute the deck here get into it let's just hear what this commercial was i gotta rewind it i didn't rewind it let's keep this part in though i will say in seconds that union six song demo for six song demo it's like a C92. That's all we had. They had. So, you've got to imagine some of these tapes might have been recorded, or the

covers might have been made at this place. Now for today's lesson from Academy Printing. Define the state of being in a pickle. In a soup. In a jam. In a stew. In a pickle is what you are when you need excellent printing done at Demo tape covers? What? What's today's homework? Always remember, Academy Printing, we're getting you out of a pickle is a piece of cake.

They went for like a food themed thing there. Yeah, I love it. I couldn't really follow it. I did. Did you like it? Followed up with the Union Press radio spot. What do we got? Lost in action.

Does that make it into your museum? Sure. That was song, right? That was song? Academy printing. No, I guess it wasn't. It didn't really have a... It wasn't catchy.

It wasn't catchy enough. Yeah. All right, Chris, what's the last block? Maybe some 80s, right? So, High Karate was the Deval Brothers. Deval Brothers. Zangarilla. Zangarilla, Andy, and then Out of All, I think, played in the first Delaware hardcore band,

Rude Awakening. They were around in 81. Oh, wow. I wish I had that tape. I had one more thing I wanted to say about the last block. And this is a question that maybe I'm way off. Did Tim Nichols, who was the drummer in Network 34 and a bunch of other bands, did he work with Steve Albini?

Well, he went to school for sound in chicago i love that idea of going to school for sound uh like sound like recording he went to live sound did he go to the chicago institute of sound is that a place wait he might have yeah i'm not sure uh i feel like that's a thing that might be he might have went to chicago chris you should be on top of this yeah i mean i'll get it okay okay he's on it yeah you bookmarked it right bookmarked all right go on uh high karate the That's a thing. That might be. He might have went to Chicago. Chris, you should be on top of this. Yeah, I mean, I'll get it. Okay, he's on it. You bookmarked it, right? Bookmarked.

All right, go on. High Karate, the Duval Brothers. Yeah, so Root Awakening was one of the first hardcore bands in Delaware. They sounded a lot like Void. Andy did some stuff prior to this. He was in Marcus Hook, went on the Dues, and Grilla afterwards. But yeah, I want to play a track off this. It's both brothers. Whoa!

This is from 1980 what? 89? No Duh is the name of the tape. It's almost the 90s. Joe, hand out a tape over here. And please let me know, is there a P.O. box? When did the phrase No Duh come out? That was like 89, right? This episode is blowing my mind.

Wow, my God. But the look on your face, judge's got the look on your face. Judge him by the look on your face alone. And I've known you for a long time. Those nubs are gone dum-dum. They did something to you. What are they, Joe? It's another new kind.

It's a hybrid of the tri and the tube. Oh, wow. This is almost like a missile command. So it's like a circle with a triangle interposed over top of it. It's like if you push them, they're going to go bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. I feel like you can also turn them like knobs. No, thank you. Take a look at those nubs.

Insane. I'm going to keep the jake. Wow. I haven't had nub talk like this in a while. So what all did high karate? It's like the letter Y. It's not a symmetrical tri nub. Let me see it again. It's like the letter Y. It not a symmetrical try try nub let me see it again it's

like the letter y it's a little bit tight up up at the top it's a little bit tight up top you're right joe you're going home a changed man today but then jamie there's also an offset two other ones on the side what so it's five there's five that yeah so if So if you... Oh, can you imagine? No, there's six, but this one's little. If there's another fucked up person out there who is from Delaware, knows about Maryland Avenue, Bread and Cheese Island and such, movies 10, and is into nubs of Noroco cases. Joe, you're going to get a phone call tonight. Why'd they stop making these? Because all of it's been on old tapes.

I think National Audio Company bought them all out. We don't know. Put them out of business. The molds are gone or something? Yeah. Yeah, some of these, the molds are just gone. Yeah. So High Karate formed in 1989 in Wilmington, Delaware by Brother Al and Andy Duvall, along

with Pete and Teenie. Two releases here on Discogs, both cassettes. They have a few cassettes. The other ones aren't on Discogs, both cassettes. They have a few cassettes. The other ones aren't on Discogs. Interesting. Recorded at Apollo Studio, Wilmington, Delaware. Bill Sweezy, yeah.

Bill Sweezy recorded a lot of the 80s hardcore bands around that time. Oh, yeah. Bill and the Sweezys. Yeah, Infection, some other bands, which could segue to the next thing, the Delaware Hardcore tape.

Where do I have that? Was that 80s? This was 88. Yeah, the Delaware Hardcore tape. All over the state, really. So you have F.E.K. They were from Milford, Delaware. That's where the Neurosis show was at.

Infection was a Wilmington band. They're on here. Pascal's Army. Morbid Life was Dover. The Curse was Dover. The Stiffs. You guys remember them. Homemade Sin.

Is that different than Jake and the Stiffs? Yes. So the Stiffs were first. That's Dave McGurgan who went on to do Carnal Ghia who opened the Jesus Lizard show in Newark at prime times. Okay. Hold on. I'm still hung up about something.

What? Jesus Christ. Why aren't the descendants from Delaware? Don't get off my note. Milo moved here. He's a professor at University of Delaware, right? Yeah. So the descendants are from Delaware then.

He worked at DuPont. His wife, I believe, worked at DuPont. Oh, okay, okay. No, I think his wife works at the University of Delaware, and he was a scientist. That's what he went to college for. Milo goes to college for science. he's like a DJ Jazzy Jeff yeah I just don't get how we're saying Bob Marley is but does not say we're not

we're not everybody else does no everyone else does we're not right go on go on I'm done um yes I think I'm gonna play an infection song off this Delaware hardcore comp from 88 yeah kind of nubs to those have you I don't'm going to play an infection song off the Delaware hardcore comp from 88. Yeah. What kind of nubs do those have? I don't even want to look. I feel like we need to have a little, it's the, it's the, the quad.

I feel like we need to have a little cutout for like the bar band cover band scene. Are you doing anything with that? Well, I don't know if they really put material out like, like original music. Yeah. But they played music.

Well, who were some of those? I think there'll be a mention. I love Steve Mama John. Like original music. Corduroy. Yeah, but they played music. Who were some of those? I think they'll be mentioned. Love Seat Mama John. Larry Tucker band. Corduroy. Green Jeans. Mr. Green Jeans.

Who was Don't Call Me Francis? Was that one? I think that was one. Club Fred, you mean? Kristen and the Noise. Oh. So is there a spot for these people? There isn't yet.

I'll work on that. Okay. Make it a very small spot. That could be your pitch. In the back, like the closet in the back. They can live there. So what's the, you want to end this out,

this 80s block? Well, I want to go too. Oh, you want to go too? Oh, Jamie brought some tapes. We'll let Jamie go last because he's a closer. Jamie's our closer. If you don't let Jamie close

one of these episodes, you never hear the end of it. Yeah. You never hear the end of like, What'd you bring? He's on the way out. I just felt like I could have really been

the one, the guy at the end there. And then you get a text message on the way out. I brought one of the cassettes. I just felt like I could have really been the one with the guy in the end there. And then you get a text message on the way home. So, Chris, play a tape, and then we'll let Jamie put a button on it. Cool. I brought one of the cassette tapes. So, wait, I thought I said Chris play a tape, and then we'll let Jamie play the last one. Oh, you got one more?

This is also 80s. Yeah, you play something. Finish up yours. I did the Infection song off Delaware Hardcore, so I got two. Yeah, pick one more. I don't have another 80s, but we could go to that live track of King Crimson at the Armory

right around the corner from 1972. That might get us taken down. It's an obscure live recording. Oh, yes. From the board. What song? Do you know what song? 21st Century Schizo. Oh, yes. I think we're safe. From the board. Yeah. What song? Do you know what song? 21st Century Schizo.

Oh, really? Very famous song. Oh, cool. And this is from what venue? The Armory. The State Armory was right across from St. Anthony's on 10th and DuPont. I went to school there. Yeah.

This is very much an episode for me. That's why I brought it, Michael. Which street? Which one? 10th. The one right across from the entrance to the cafeteria. Oh. And there were...

Oh. Lots of shows Happened there All the way back To the 1940s Where the Antonian Center is Where the Antonian is

So next to the Antonian The Beach Boys Played there Really Count Basie Yeah it was It was a parking lot It was hot

Yeah it was hot You ever park there now I don't I usually park In a residential I park at your house And then we walk up Okay yeah

And it was called The Armory When was it around The State Armory when was it around? the State Armory it started in the 40s so Count Basie and some of the big bands were playing back then

Count Basie sounds like a vampire too scary when you listen to this King Cribson recording can you kind of tell it was done in Delaware like does it have

like kind of a Grotto's pizza vibe oh good reference there's some audience yeah participation Happy Harry's they're like they thank someone for the Capriotis

But they knew it wasn't a genius Cassapula Lucas Alright that'll be fun What Jamie's gonna play Yeah Jamie how do you close this Yeah I kind of brought this as a present for Joe Because maybe two or three episodes ago

I had gotten this So this is Newark Cassette comp Richie Rubini put this in my mailbox if you remember i remember and there was a band called bats without flesh that joe his eyes lit up because the bats was spelled with a z with a z that's without flesh so when i went home and i listened to this whole tape the bats without flesh was my favorite track off it slaps it's kind of like a throbbing gristle type synthy vibe with like punky like kind of screamy type yelly vocals and um yeah it's really cool and it's like wow these

guys are from delaware and you know what bats without flesh is um after the moaners ended some people went on to be in bats without flesh oh but jerry's not in yes that's a correction from that episode because we thought jerry lah was in the Moners and he wasn't. He just put out the tape, right? Yeah, Claude Wiley was his name. He was also in Spit. Oh, in Spit. Yeah, they were around that same time. Yeah, Claude Wiley and John Dugan

were in. And then there was also somebody that, they kind of have a rotating lineup. There was a guy named Sloth that was in the band. Yeah, I know Sloth. Yeah, from the Goonies? Sloth. But yeah, the Bats Out. From the Goonies? Sloth. But yeah, the Bats Out of Flesh tape is... I think he was tall.

Wasn't sloth kind of like an average height guy? He would walk kind of like... Well, thanks, Jamie. I'm excited to hear this job. Remember you said you listened to it and it wasn't good. There's a bunch of releases from this band. I have a few on vinyl. I want to check them out, yeah.

Really cool band So yeah, let's end it off with that Do we know anything about Bats Without Flesh? Just the stuff that we just said People's names Newark, they recorded at Paper Mill I was doing something I think there was a studio on Paper Mill Road in Newark

Really? Yeah They're kind of like proto-industrial Like I said, a little bit like Throbbing Gristle. Heinz Brotten, New Brotten. A little EBM. So there was a paper mill there. Oh, a ministry? They named the road after it.

That was still like up. I remember Paul and Tommy Deptula got arrested for sneaking in there. Into the... Paper Mill. Okay. Yeah. But then there was the recording studio also on Paper Mill Road, but they didn't rename the... They didn't say, let's Into the paper mill. Okay. Yeah. But then there was the recording studio also on Paper Mill Road,

but they didn't rename the, they didn't say, let's rename the whole road. Route 72. Yeah. Okay. Well, that was fun. I enjoyed that.

That was the road talk section. I think I just, you know what? I do have this if we want to play America's Favorite Places, another ride with me audio adventure through Delaware. Oh, that's nice. We could play that, but probably not. Oh, okay. I do have this if we want to play America's Favorite Places Another Ride With Me Audio Adventure Through Delaware Oh that's nice

We could play that but probably not I'm supposed to be the closer Jamie is the closer Maybe sprinkle that in the episode In post I'll just play it at half speed throughout the entire episode Well Chris thanks for coming Thanks guys thanks for having me

You should probably correct Jamie from the beginning Chris Howd It's Delaware Not that you made another mistake Well, Chris, thanks for coming. Yeah, thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. You should probably correct Jamie from the beginning of the episode. Chris Howe. It's Delaware. Not that. You made another mistake. It's DelawareMusicHistory.com. You were able to snag it.

Yeah. And it's up right now if you want to go there. I don't know what you can do. What is use? There should be a submission box. Submission box. Yeah. So if you.

You've got some stories, venues, shows. If you were ever like, I was driving through Delaware and I stopped and I saw Neurosis and Milton. I got a whole god dang VHS. If anyone has any photos from that show, I'd love to see. You know, Richie told me that Jerry Lehane has his whole house is full of VHS tapes

of that era. He used to record everybody back then. Tommy Conwell, you got everybody in there. Everybody, yeah. East End days. So, anyway. And Chris, you also went to Cap Calloway High there. Everybody. Yeah. East End days. So, anyway. And Chris, you also went to Cap Collaway High School. Correct. Alright. Thank you. Thank you. I'm a betrayer, a human killer,

and a ghost fighter. Ghost fighter? Then you command the dead evil, don't you? Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I don't know. No! See what it's all about Instead of getting your heart What's the barrier To the power Of the world That it screams

But you You're not gonna see All your prejudice See Yeah Thank you. Of the dogs who do not fear us calling Step out of here, Nicola girl Open up your eyes Fighting is all I'm about Instead of spreading your lies

Block the barrier in Detroit, I'm calling Wolves and it's strange But you, you're not gonna change All your prejudice means Fuck you We're all just fucking feds On a season change Another little federated Let's get a face And to take a step

Out of the typical world Open and open your eyes These bodies Are all now Dead or spreading your lies Fuck the barriers That go not far Walk that straight But you Spreading your lies Bust the barriers And turn on the fog War that is strange

But you, you're not gonna lose All your prejudice needs All your prejudice needs All your prejudice needs All your prejudice needs All your prejudice needs All your prejudice needs All your prejudice needs All your prejudice needs All right, so this is...

Welcome back. Deller Dan interruption here only because we're making Tabs Out legal again. It's a legalization thing that we're doing so that Tabs Out can remain on air, on web stream. And forgive me, sorry sorry I've been fell off my bicycle earlier got a bunch of dirt up my nose finally stopped snowing and it kind of melted but then it froze again and I hit a branch and so I got you know I was up there on York Road anyways sorry Yorktown Road back in the in the valley or a blunt

ride with my boys but anyways yes so this part of the tape originally this is a Delaware tape so figure shout out though I am Dela Dan you heard me up earlier in episode I think give us a tape law this is now months later because you know the AI robots presumably sent by the well you know I won't get into all that but I think that they well they definitely did ding the episode on behalf of a copyright infringement case that we got building. So in order to kind of fix it, we've been modifying the tracks and having me talk over it so that it's unrecognizable to the robots. So that's kind of what we're hearing right now is actually the original episode.

This segment was kind of sounds like Super Mario or something like that but it's actually not it's King Crimson live in Wilmington Delaware I think it was in Wilmington they probably say it in the episode so I just if you missed it go back rewind episode to where they're talking and you might be able to figure out

where this was recorded oh yeah look live recording from wilmington delaware 1972 that's back when the stone balloon was still open in newark new ark delaware excuse me and um you know a lot of legends say that you know prior to skid fest happening it was like motley crew you, ACDC, stuff like that. I don't know how true that is, Metallica. You'd be playing around the way in Newark, Delaware on a UD, not on campus, kind of off campus,

but it's like right across the street from the fire department is Skid Row. So anyways, yeah, so, but this is King Crimson in the 70s, and, you know, it's just, it's been modified so that the, you know, episode can remain intact in a way, but it's legal this time. You know, there's no law, copyright law that's being infringed upon, per my professional opinion. And, you know, if you're listening to this, you're a human being, and you understand tape law, then you would see, you would also agree that this is a completely legal way of technically not, quote, end quote,

listening to King Crimson. So, live at 72 in Wilmington, Delaware. Probably at, man, I wonder where they played at. Probably 700 Social Club. Something like that. What was the other one? House of a Thousand Island Dressings. Ranch.

Well, I don't know if Ranch is part of that, but there was, I would say there was a little bit of, there was some salad dressings that were recurrent in that space. But most notably, I just want to issue an official apology on behalf of Delaware. Delaware Dan would like to extend this message to the guy who drove DJ Dog Dick all the way to Wilmington from Far Rockaway New York I want to appreciate you sorry that we couldn't pay for your tolls and thanks for smoking my boy out and you know sorry about that but you know we're not gonna be able to make it up to you in the future because we don't know that there is a future and if there is it's to probably sound like this King Crimson track, quote, not King Crimson, end quotes, exclamation, parentheses, semicolon. So, you know, thank you to that guy.

Other than that, you know, things are pretty much business as usual. You know, I would take this opportunity to at this point you know if you want to learn more about what kind of services that Delaware Dan has to offer I'd recommend delawaredan.netlify.com I think is what it is

you know Delaware Dan you can just google Delaware Dan podcast and it should come up but LLC you know shout out to inmates

currently being held in Howard Young facility particularly my boy Teenag so shout out Teenag

and all the people doing time for doing a crime and you didn't get Del or Dan to bail you out because you couldn't do it. It was actually a wish it could happen, but it just can't. So just hang in there. Us to our

boys out there in jail. So no problem. Del or Dan. No problem.'ll redeem No problem Alright we definitely Miscalculated by not Ending with that right

We can't go right into What is the Batman tape you have Flesh bat Bats without flesh Jamie is constantly Saying like Hey Mike can I bring

Over my flesh bat And I'm like What is that even No He's trying to get To sponsor the show We should have stuck With the 80s block

Can we fix this in post Well Chris why don't you Read the review you just Found for the Oh sponsor the show. We should have stuck with the 80s block. Can we fix this in post? Well, Chris, why don't you read the review you just found for the show? Oh, and by the way, the building for the State Armory is still there. It's right across from the cafeteria. It's right across from my little Paisan grade school that I went to. It pictured me with a little schoolboy uniform on, but I'm just kind of spilling out of it. I got the Husky boy version of it.

With the peewee or no not yet more of like a i got a bowl cut and thinking like man just 20 years ago kink crimson freaking kink crimson was playing over there shredding it shredding it what was the review and then oh the review yeah uh so what made the bulk of their act so unbearable was intense volume that did nothing but detract from some potentially beautiful music. Audiences are fast-betting tired of hearing 21st Century Skitsway Mad playing at 150 decibel. And unless the group shows some originality soon,

King Crimson's star will fade. Oh, my God. I don't think so. But Mel Collins, the sax player, was describing the acoustics in the armory and said, it's pretty average, actually. But I'll play in the bathroom. It's pretty average

actually. Alright, and I did allude to in the beginning an announcement at the end of the show, but I don't think we're ready for it. We're not ready for it. So we won't do that. So Jamie, you want to whip out that... Something new is cooking next season. Something new is cooking, let's just say that. Yeah, the bats do not have flesh. Bats without flesh.

Bats without flesh. Bats without flesh. There we go. And then we're done. For real, right? And then we did... Oh, come on! And that's our Bellator episode. Squeeze. Squeeze. Squeeze. Squeeze Squeeze

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