Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Episode #210 | 9.12.25
Episode Date: September 12, 2025Final Heaven, Dreamcastle™, VODE, G. Lucas Crane, Conspiracy, Tallulah Bankheist, Surrender, Lars McCoy, Master Boot Record, Indek, and Dr. Peter J Woods...
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Can you?
Black dance.
Black dance.
Black dance.
Can you tell me what the most beautiful sound or the most interesting sound or the most interesting sound
that you've ever heard is.
Tabs out,
Gazette podcast. Jamie, help me out
with the episode number. Yeah, what is it? You told me
you were going to do the intro. Now you got my ass out on the line.
Episode 210, back to school version.
Back to school, back. Summer's over. Summer's over. We're back to work.
Log on.
From summer break. Where did everyone go?
I just, I don't, I just worked. Jamie went places.
I went to, went to the beach.
I've seen that Dubai chocolate everywhere now
Starbucks the other day
I did indulge in some viral Dubai chocolate
That's a viral thing, huh?
Yeah, and it's all over TikTok
All over TikTok. It's all over everywhere now
You are on the ground floor, I think
It's all over his face too because he's a sloppy eater
And he...
Well, chocolate at the beach
And chocolate at the beach
Hot. Jamie, it was a bad idea to only...
Your idea to do
Chocolate Summer
Where you only ate chocolate from
your meals. Did you hear his new thing he was talking about for this month? No. He's doing no shit
September. That is electoral nonsense. Where he's not going to poop at all. Oh, you told me about that.
Yeah, I heard on Rogan. You hold it in to get all the nutrients back in. That's what our ancestors
did. That's what our ancestors did. Specifically, some of his weirder uncles. Oh, Jesus Christ.
All right, enough of this. What's up? We got a lot. We got a lot. We haven't done tapes since so long
that there's some of these questions.
I got a backlog.
I'm speaking of backlogs.
Jamie?
Jamie's got a backlog of a different variety.
But Joe B, me and you both got a backlog of tapes that you wouldn't believe.
I know.
I didn't even bring all of them.
The doctor says if I don't get them out, there's going to be an issue down the road.
Oh, no, you got to get it out.
I got to get it out.
Yeah.
Okay, but I don't...
I usually take care of myself at home, but...
You walked into that one.
That's nasty.
That's Jamie humor.
Yeah.
I'm going to excuse me.
That means it's more gross, right? Piss.
More diarrhea.
Diaryas.
Different types of fluids.
Who wants to go first? Are we going right in?
Jamie?
Jamie, you'd like to go first? I go first if anyone wants.
Yeah, why don't you go first? I feel like I often go first.
I got a fancy new one. I just got.
Oh yeah? I just got tattooed by my friend Jeff Horn, New Jersey.
Grabbing by the horns.
He is now doing a Dungeon Synth project called Final Heaven with his girlfriend.
And he gave me their new release, limited to eight.
Oh, look at that thing.
So we got the Polly Disney-type case.
Yeah.
A big one.
You got to have a lot of Acutramonts.
You got to have some space in the apartment.
Do you have...
To look at these photos, do you have the white gloves?
You know what?
I have them, but Jamie was using it for a little bit.
Now they're a little brown.
So it comes in, like, wax paper.
There was a seal on here, but I had to bust it off.
I don't know where it went.
Like a wax seal.
Oh, here it is.
You clubbed it.
see that see that yeah and then uh so i'll pass that around there's some photos to look at
oh well this is like oh yeah this is a little wow we got a little poster who is this inside
that's not them that's them really yeah oh wow hold on let me take my glasses off this is this is
remarkable this is excellent branding yeah and then we got a patch a bat no this is a patch okay
for your uh screen print for my cut your battle vest my battle vest and then this is a nice
embroidered one
with the gold
oh wow
badges for
black sun over frozen land
oh and what's the scroll
that it comes with
it comes with a little scroll
poster for your room
welcome to the frozen land
edition of eight
Jamie give me some spooky background
when I say that
you know exactly what I'm
I know exactly what I mean
sorry I'm rusty
yeah
there's no medicine
or powerful the music
welcome to the frozen land
A little scroll, this, like, glossy paper.
Did you open it up?
I didn't want to.
I didn't know if you hadn't yet.
Oh, no, I did.
I didn't know if you were trying to keep this mint on card.
No, no, because this is going to go on the ceiling in my room.
It's just a little poster of a spooky night to the ceiling of Joe B's room.
And it says, may vengeance be your creed.
Yeah, man, put that right over.
What is this, like some sort of, uh, what does this effect you have on me?
Hello, I'm trying to dial in some spooky reverb, but I'm going to,
getting all the wrong effects. My eyes are going crazy.
What is that white shit? Is that fat?
Like, smigma.
There you found it.
Welcome to Jobi's ceiling.
Well, they took it off. Anyway, so I'm going to play that tape.
He doesn't know he's done. He's rusty.
And what is, I didn't hear you. Is it Dungeon synth?
Dungeon synth, obviously.
It's more on the more ambient, spooky side than the Lord of the Rings fantasy music.
A little foreshadow. I got some different flavors of Dungeon Sinth.
for you today. Oh, great. A little assortment, a little taste. Oh, I'm so excited. Why do you have the reverb?
Let's, um, I didn't, I don't have this cute up right now. We're going to do side B. Hold on. I got to stop you
real quick. Yeah. First of all, time to play B sides. Oh, yeah. Second of all. Staff pick from
Joe B. That tape, everything in this thing is black and white. Yeah, but the tape's blue. And the
tape's blue. Did they just have? I think they just had, there's only eight of these. Excuse me.
You know what color of the tapes are?
The other eight?
They're all saying blue.
Oh, blue.
I got a fella here who wants to change for a dollar.
Okay.
So final heaven.
Black sun over frozen land.
Satellite, and then they have satellite music, CD.
Did you mention this numbering your, this is eight of eight?
Did they make eight of these?
I said they only made eight of these like four times already.
Yeah, man, I got, I'm dealing with something with my sound clips that I'm dealing with, man.
Come on.
So this is a, I think a split.
supposed to be the one that does that doesn't listen it took it took two labels to put this out
um night blade records and i can't read the other one some g something production is it
is it is it night blade k n i g h ht or oh no stand n n i j okay like missed out of the night
missed opportunity there yeah joby i've been thinking about what you said man i'm sorry man
y'all i'm sorry i wasn't listen to me i'm sorry give me a hug that's nice thank you
that was fucked up of me man thank you that well you did
no there's a lot going on your soundboards not working i'm on you know tensions are high getting
starting in there's a picture of them on the back too she's got a cool sword hell yeah man this thing
rules i'm gonna like it they're getting ready to play some fest in california oh california a dungeon
fest but he was telling me a little bit like a dungeon synth fest just a dungeon fest
well they're playing dungecon you know we went to the dotheast dungeon siege yeah not anyone
can call their fest a siege so this place in california tried to
and then we're told
they got an angry email
cease and desist
you can't just use siege
dear Californian dungeon siege
nice try
so that's me
that's me now you go Jamie
Jamie go okay I have a very very
different dungeon synth
flavored
tape yeah because I saw that picture
is this the Lego one
it's the Lego one
I'll pass it around
tell me about this
you order this I'm so happy about that
an artist
it's actually more on the vapor wave
side of things, but it's an artist
called Dreamcastle with a little trademark
symbol. Dreamcastle TM.
This was a self-release tape,
got self-released in two different editions,
and then a label called the title charm
from the Netherlands, picked it up
and released it this year, I believe.
Wow, the presentation is
top. No. Yeah, it's crazy. The tape
is the craziest part to me. The tape, yeah,
holding this tape. You are, you can't look at,
give me the other stuff then. Pick one.
Take the tape. I want it both. This is the craziest part.
This tape, this tape is crazy
It's the all over printing
Lego themed, I don't know how they haven't got sued
Yeah, that's a licensed...
You're telling me this, these people who made eight tapes
Can't use the word siege?
No, it's the fest people, they could use the word siege
I love tapes with the printing like this all over
Yeah
The window right now is blowing my mind, the little castle window
Yeah, it's got the all over print of a Lego castle
On the shell of the tape, but the spools
The holes there
are the windows of the castle.
The graphic design is...
Well, I wouldn't say the spools
are the windows of the castle.
The middle window...
Oh shit, I'm just seeing that for right now
for the first time.
I wouldn't say the spools are.
That's insane.
It's the window.
So the window
that shows how much tape is in there
in the middle of the spools.
And it says,
Lego Castle, 1979,
1998.
I don't really know what that means.
Can I see the nubs?
Yeah, the nubs are just the regular
the double...
I always want to look at the...
I want to do that this early.
I want to do that this early.
I don't know if they are regular, Jamie,
because if you look at them straight on,
they seem like a traditional nub.
But if you get a side view,
there's an angular presence that you would...
Oh, this is...
Oh, yeah, this is a sharp angle right here.
All right, pretty good.
Let me see the cover, and you can now look at the tape.
The graphic design is incredible.
The little Lego night on the...
Oh, my God.
I hope it doesn't get shut down.
Don't shut them down.
Lego Archer.
I love all the heraldry symbols.
yeah and the music is kind of like you do hear some of that medieval fanfare with the horns but then it kind of fades into like sort of like a funkier like vapor type
did you vet this did i vet this yeah no just because there's some nordic ruins on the bottom here oh okay that's okay
sometimes it's not um what's the name of the label did we say that uh the title charm from from the netherland and the little diagram on the inside of the lego knights being constructed yeah it's
is this a solo project
it's a solo artist
yeah and they released
two additions of this tape
with different cover art
and then the title charm
put it out under their label
what are you gonna play from here Jamie
oh goodness I think
for this
oh dear
oh dear
like just the A side of the B side
or do you have anything
or are you just gonna just
I think this one I was doing the A side
so I believe there might be a story
with this whole thing
with these two characters
magical tales with
Magistow and
Agwin. That's track one.
Those are little Lego guys and something there. I think so.
Track two is Magistow's Book of Hours.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure
we're going to do those first two tracks.
Okay. That's from what I remember. Yep.
Hell yeah. And these
fell out of there. Oh, those little
vellum sheets? That's say something about
a map. So there's some kind of a...
Title Charm, Season 3, Secrets of the
Forgotten Temple. Get one
piece of the map with every
order of a season three release
and overlay them to unveil hidden key word
and get the secret mystery album,
good luck.
So I got to buy two more tapes
from the Netherlands imported.
Yeah, and then there's this really cool
Vellum sheet that folds out
that's got this early computer graphic,
what's that one bit?
Like a DOS program.
Asky art.
And it's an Egyptian-type theme.
There's two, you know,
I'm not sure what these guys' names
kind of like the sphinx but they're not sphinxes you know what i mean i can't see it from here but
and uh yeah there's a boat at the bottom and steps leading to a temple oh and some cuneiform which might
be cute also shady no no that's the first language yeah yeah that's all right i have that tattooed
on me right here hmm not these particular characters let's get into it this i'm intrigued by this
jami yeah this is going to be a hard one to follow up i might need to play two just to battle it
Okay.
What two do I...
You know what, I grabbed this.
Wow.
Let me make sure I got the right one here.
That's not the one I want it.
Satellite, and then they have satellite music, CD.
Vode.
V-O-D-E.
No, and this is the name of the project.
It's not jazz.
Sway...
He's in a trance.
The jazz chance.
It's not jazz.
No, it's not trance, and it's not jazz.
It's not jazz?
It's electro nonsense.
Is it electro?
Is it electro?
Is it?
You're getting closer.
closer.
Hello, computer.
There we are.
Zone Children is the name
of the tape on a label
called No Part of it.
Oh, that's Arvo Zilo's label.
You got it, Jamie.
You're on the ball.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
We have a weiner.
I got a fella here
wants to change for a dollar.
You know, for a little
celebration, Jamie,
go ahead and do one shit today.
Just a little plop.
I'm a little stopped up right now.
I'll do my best.
So this is Arvo Zilo
and Leslie Kefer.
Oh.
Collaboration.
I forgot about Leslie Kuffer.
Yeah, Kefer.
I feel like I
knew her through
like the old
like voice of the valley
she was selling joints
one time
anyone want a joint
she was
you do a really
good keffer
yeah
yeah I didn't know
she was selling joints
I wonder if she's still
in the biz
because that's really
well nowadays
everyone's in the biz
Jersey just opened up
like a place
where you can go and smoke
like
like somebody's living room
no it's
they finally opened up
someone's living room
no it's a dispensary
on the boardwalk
in Atlantic City
but you can go there
buy their product
and sit and enjoy it
there's no other places like that
they got it set up like um you remember that episode of
uh nathan for you
where at the woman's clothing store
i don't even think of the name five i saw that
and he set up the little like guy zone in the back to hang out
where there was like a cat yeah yeah yeah it's like that
yeah there's a vCR
a lot of people into music these days not sports games
but it has it has to be like an unlicensed team
for them to get permission to show it on TV
okay i'll go there and smoke weed
oh that reminds me my idea for a business but i'll tell jamie
that all fair yeah
but she fucked around with like laundry room squelchers played with a rat a lot yeah yeah um
has done stuff on like ecstatic piece yeah i was gonna say there's a yeah very much of that
era of noise was a prominent figure yeah real head shit action claw um this is an addition of
150 with a special you card and i didn't get the special you card is the thing i got a standard
you card. But here's what I'm thinking
now, hold on. If there's an addition of 50
addition of 150
have a special U card
isn't there the exact same number for the other
U card?
Hello, computer.
But either way, I'm going to play that. This is,
and I'm going to also play...
Let's find out what's inside it.
What is that white shit? Is that fat?
It's smigma.
G. Lucas Crane.
You know that name?
It's familiar.
You know that name G. Lucas Crane?
Is that one of Batman's villains?
He is one of Batman's villains.
Do you remember there was Scarecrow and King Tutt?
Yeah.
And they had a baby.
They did?
G. Lucas Crane.
And it was like a truck.
I can't tell if you're doing a bit or not.
Because you don't know Batman?
Not really, yeah.
Jamie wasn't allowed to read comics as a kid.
Jamie, what kind of shit were you not allowed to have as a child?
Vanilla Ice.
Oh, you were denied vanilla ice?
Yeah.
What was the reason?
the language the language ice ice baby too cold your parents
did not want you to know what it was like to have errone
the language I don't know about two live crew
oh my gosh no way oh okay I wasn't sure if that one was but my friends
no I listen to my friend's house yeah yeah me too
that's like they should make a place in New Jersey where you go and listen to it
listen to what's that called nastier than they want to nest than they ought to be or something
like that the two live crew one with all the butts on the butts yeah not all the butts
On Netflix, there was that hip-hop documentary thing, multiple series, and they did one on Miami hip-hop, and it was about that.
It was actually a really good episode because of the free speech, like, the lawsuit that they won because, you know, they should be able to say, I like big butts, and I cannot lie.
I like rock and roll.
You like rock and roll.
G. Lucas Crane, was it the Vanishing Voice?
Oh, yeah, wooden wand and the vanishing voice?
Yeah, yeah, did a project called Non-Horse.
Oh, so you're going back.
and you're going back.
That's the theme.
I'm doing a little bit
of a throwback.
It's going to be so good.
Where are they now?
I don't know if they would want to present it that way.
But yeah, this is like, where are they now?
Like, no one's heard from you.
Or we're out of touch.
Oh, I think it's mutual.
I think we're all in the same pool.
I mean, they sent us the tapes.
Oh, okay.
So we're all swimming in the same pool.
What end are we?
Are we in the deep end?
No, well I'm in the kiddie pool
I'm in the kiddie pool
And I'm the only one
Because all the parents came and got their kids
Jamie's in the pool
But he has a shirt on
Well Jamie has to stand on the outside of the fence
Because his mom was like
Don't get you just ate
He's got a swim shirt on
He's got the white
sunscreen all over
Like the two like real heavy
Is he walk into the pool
And he's got the big flippers on
He's got a scuba thing
The fucking tube
The snorkel
Yeah
Jamie why do you do that shit man
I don't know.
It's fun.
When in Rome.
Yeah, when in Rome.
The Suttering Years is the name of the tape on a label called Artsy Records, who, I don't know, not too familiar with artsy records, but they have a really funny logo on their band camp if you want to look at it.
Jamie, you can pull it up right now and look at it.
Satellite, and then they have satellite music, CD.
But yeah, this is a little, where are they now?
retrospective tabs out segment
there's no medicine
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the logo looks like you took one of those 3D paint brushes
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We're going to be able to be.
I'm going to be.
I don't know.
I don't know.
We're going to be able to be.
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Go ahead.
Oh!
Oh, man!
Oh!
Oh!
We're going to be able to be.
We're going to be able to go.
Oh!
I don't know.
It's a lot of it.
I don't know.
I don't know
a lot of the way
and a lot of it.
Oh,
it's a good.
We're going to be able to be.
.
I don't know.
I'm going to be.
I'm going to be.
We're going to be able to be.
I'm going to be.
I'm going to be.
We're going to be.
I'm going to be.
I don't know how much.
I'm going to be able to be.
We're going to be able to be.
I'm going to be.
I don't know.
I'm going to be able to be.
I'm going to be.
Oh!
I'm sorry.
I'm not.
I'm not.
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Yeah!
Oh!
Oh!
Ah!
Oh!
And so,
I'm going to
...
...
...
...
...
I'm not going to be able to be.
Oh, I'm going to be.
I'm going to be.
Oh, I'm going to be.
I don't know.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
We're going to be.
We're going to be.
I'm not
I'm not
I'm going to
I'm going to
I'm going to
I'm
a lot of
I'm
and the
I'm a
so
I'm
I'm gonnae.
I'm gonnae.
I don't know.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Yeah!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
I don't know.
Ah!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
How are you?
I don't know.
Oh my mom.
Are you?
Mom?
How are you?
How are you?
I was at Earl's on the evening of the evening of the evening of the sale
Parthenia Davis
Henry Davis andry Davis
The Children's Hospital, what's wrong with that?
Final Heaven.
on my headphones. Yeah, it's real quiet.
Like fucking usual.
He's in a trance. The jazz trance.
The main fader was down.
Why'd you turn it down?
Because we were listening to the speaker in the room before.
Okay.
We were enjoying that.
We really need to sit down and make a
clean system one day. I'd rather
keep a going like this. It just doesn't change.
It's kind of like jazz. I like it like jazz.
No one listens to jazz. I like it like jazz.
I'm not saying, you fear jazz.
I'm not saying we have to listen to it. I like to.
He's in a trance. The jazz trance.
Final Heaven. Black Sun.
over frozen land.
That is electro-nonsense.
It's on two labels.
One of them has the initials GMP.
No one can read what your label name is.
Fix that.
Well, I think this music might be designed
for a younger crowd.
Yeah.
You know.
Am I free to go?
And then Nightblade Records.
I can read that, but it's getting harder.
I'm going to say three more years.
The fonts are getting more complicated
and they're getting smaller.
Have you noticed that?
The fonts are getting smaller?
Have I noticed that?
that's like one of my three main things.
Yeah.
Make fonts big again.
And then Nightblade.
2026.
Speaking in nights,
there's a night on the Lego tape.
Dreamcastle TM,
the Lego Castle
1979 to 1998,
released by the title charm.
Beautiful packaging.
And then the Where Are They Now segment
with Vode,
Zoned Children on no part of it,
and G. Lucas Crane,
the Sutter Ring is,
on Artsy Records.
There's no medicine more powerful than music.
That's true.
That's true.
And Jamie has been very sick lately, so we should give him some more music.
Yeah, I've been...
People into music these days, huh?
Have you guys noticed that I've been drinking some honey before I go back on the air?
I noticed the honey over there, and my blood triggers 192, thanks.
That's what Axel Rose does.
When he gets on stage, he drinks some honey.
Well, that's, I mean, that's been medicinal uses for the last...
Welcome to the Chaco!
Yeah, Jamie, when you put on the little, oops, I got some honey.
on me thing.
And you started like smearing
it on you like yeah, we noticed it.
Is that Manuka?
No, I don't believe
in the healing quality's manuka honey.
You don't?
Not really.
Why not?
That was very sassy.
You call it Joby Honey like that.
Based off of what data?
Based off my personal experience with it.
And also some stuff I read online that said it wasn't really ever.
I don't know.
We don't have to get into Honey.
It's too controversial.
I don't think it's that much of a controversy, but okay.
No, I don't know.
I don't know much about it.
It doesn't taste good.
That was more of a bit.
Have you tried it?
Maybe a long time ago.
It tastes like really thick and brown.
And it's like, it tastes like medicine.
It's, I don't know.
Because that's what it is.
Yeah.
I got to isolate Jamie saying really thick and brown.
Really thick and brown.
Hello, computer.
All right.
Who's going to go now?
Back to Round Robin.
I'll go again first.
Or do we want to switch it?
Joby, what was something you weren't allowed to have as a kid?
Something I wasn't allowed.
Music-wise.
Music-wise.
There was, well, when I bought the body.
account tape I got in trouble.
Oh shit.
Because your dad's a cop.
No, no, because I bought it.
I didn't even know what it was.
The video for There Goes the Neighborhood was on MTV.
In retrospect, I don't know how they edited that song into a...
Oh, computers.
So anyway, so I get the tape.
We're in the car.
I love computer.
We have to stop at another store.
So my mom's in the other store.
And meanwhile, I'm opening the tape and enjoying looking at it.
But now I'm reading the lyrics.
And I'm like, holy shit.
What the fuck do I have?
right
cop killer is on there right
and my mom gets back in the car
and she's like well let's put in your tape to listen to it
on the way home this is like the original tabs
and I was like no no no it's cool no no no
and she put it in and you know the first
evil dick or whatever the first track
the skit in the beginning okay so then
I got in trouble and they're grilling
me like where did you hear about this
how do you know about this who showed you
this MTV did so I had
to return it and I got Iron Maiden Fear of the Dark
only because the cover but it was fucking stupid
at the time I wanted nice tea
I would have taken him to Arnold Palmer
There goes the neighborhood
Fear of the dark
Dunna na na na na na na
What about
Was this before the explicit lyrics?
No this is that
Maybe it was before that
That happened because of your mom probably
It might have been before that
Your mom and Tipper Gore were really
Or maybe
They didn't notice
Anyway so I wasn't allowed to
Like that was really it though
That was the only one
All right
that was like very cool
that was like
hearing an early episode
of Taps out
when you got the tape
and you opened up
and you were like
looking at it
that's just like now
shit don't change
man that's so cool
time is a flat circle
speaking of which
do you want to do that again
right now
let's see if he gets in trouble
I might
so this tape I know
nothing about
excuse me
and I just bought it at
Jupiter
randomly
299
the band is called
conspiracy
demo 2016
okay
it is like
what it seems to be
on the cover
an all three-girl
I would say punk band
there's leather involved
leather jackets
leather skirts
go on
the little spikes
the little spikes
the little spikes
conspiracy is carla
vocals guitar
Angie bass
Claire drums
so Joe just
I mean this is going to be
a super Delaware specific question
but I was at Jupiter
the other day
and I saw they had a little
Napa case
set up just for noise tapes
at Jupiter.
I didn't notice that.
Yeah.
They had like,
oh gosh,
I forget who was in there now.
Well,
that dude,
Dave Smolin used to work there.
Yeah,
yeah.
And actually I have another thing
that might play
that I just got
as a dungeon synth comp
and he's on it.
Oh, cool.
Yeah, I know, Dave.
Yeah.
Nice.
But he hasn't worked there
in a while,
but that's interesting
they have a noise section.
Right.
Yeah,
it even said,
it had a handmade
sign that said noise tapes
on the side of it.
I was like,
that's cool.
So this was recorded
by Chris Bowman,
stereo abuse,
2016,
a photo by Kelsey Henderson
And you haven't listened to it?
No
This is the premiere
Yeah, I haven't listened to this yet
Holy shit, this is so exciting
And I'm pretty sure I tried to Google a little bit
And found nothing
Well, conspiracy
You just, well, that's your number one web search
I think conspiracy demo
2016
Yeah
And it was like a conspiracy about the demolition of a building
Yeah, yeah
Joe B was like
And the little gif was like
Looks like it just got hit by a plane
But it was a controlled demolition
So then I... Too soon.
Yeah, too soon.
Coming up in a couple days, boys.
You just type in conspiracy, and it has one of those tabs that says, like, continue browsing,
because you've been looking up in the word conspiracy already, just generally.
So, yeah, I have no idea what this is.
I don't even know, like, where this band's from.
I was assuming from here, it doesn't say.
It doesn't say.
Oh, here, let me say.
Well, if, Jamie, if you could do a little, maybe quick little research on Chris Bowman's stereo
abuse.
Real quick, though.
Like, real quick.
Like, maybe don't even type all the words.
Or, like, don't do it.
the vowels, just do consonants?
My keyboard only does consonants.
Okay.
Where's Y land on that one?
Do you have Y?
Sometimes.
There's a separate USB with one button.
Is it big or is still the size button?
No, it's a small, regular-sized button.
I found it on discogs, Joe.
You won't believe it.
Oh.
That was quick.
I won't believe that you found it, or I won't believe what you've uncovered.
No, I just thought you'd be impressed that I found it on discos.
No, that's why I gave you the task. I knew you would find it.
Oh, you knew what you had faith in me. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're not going to believe this, guys.
You're not going to believe this.
I got a fella here who wants to change for a dollar.
What do you want to be when you grow up?
But guess, you know how, like, when there's duplicate artist names on discogs that they're like incommended?
Do you know what number of conspiracy this artist is?
Oh, let's do it. Let's see who gets closer.
Oh, 72.
No, I'm going to say 12.
You're kind of in the middle.
Take 54.
21.
Yeah, get closer.
30.
Oh.
28?
It's above 30.
I'll just say 35.
35.
I was going to guess 35 next.
Do we know anything like where these people are from?
The label.
New York hardcore punk active from 2016 to 2017.
Members of Sad Boys La Misma, Vermin, ectoplasm, subvertive rights.
A lot of people into music these days, huh?
Cool.
They have a band camp.
Oh, all right.
See, I didn't do that much due diligence.
Conspiracynoy.com.
God, there's so much information out there.
I'm not good at it.
I don't have the internet at my apartment.
That's true.
You don't have Wi-Fi.
Wow, Jamie, you're like a sleuth.
You did a really good job.
Thank you.
You're like a regular old guy noir.
You don't get that reference.
No.
Sorry.
It's what this show's based on.
All right.
Jamie, what are you going to play after that?
NPR. You don't listen to NPR on Sundays?
I don't. No.
Okay, I'm going to play...
Actually, I forgot to mention this about the first tape that I played.
Oh, hold on, can you do a flashback sound or, like, let us know that we're going back?
Just so I know where I am in time.
I wish I had a good flashback sound.
You must have something.
Jamie, please.
What is that white shit? Is that fat?
Oh, I got one.
There we go.
There we go.
Hell yeah.
So the previous tape that I played,
the Dreamcastle TM tape.
Mike Haley, our very
own, had texted me
a band camp link to that page a little while
ago, and I bought it. Yeah, that's what he does.
It's a sigh-off. It's like, this is another tape.
Pop-up ads. It's an MLM, I'm derog.
He wants you to play that on the show.
Yeah. So that's why he sends us stuff so that we buy
it. So that we buy it. So I fell...
It's not a bad gig. Fool me once. I did it.
Fool me twice. I bought this tape. Shame on you.
Shame on me. So I'm going to pass this one around. This is
an artist called Tulula Bank Heist.
Oh, hell yeah, you bought this one?
I bought it.
It's awesome.
You don't buy enough of the ones I send you, I got to say.
Okay, well...
They get lost in the sauce sometimes.
Yeah.
This is on a label called Cry Like Donna.
Oh, what's that?
Like a clear orange construction color tape?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like a safety...
Like a truck backing up safety tape.
Oh, wow, look at the drawings in here.
It looks cool, yeah.
This looks cool.
Yep.
These little monster drawings.
One thing that's interesting about the sweet realm is...
What's sweet realm?
Is that the label?
Where are you reading that?
It's all.
It's on the tape.
Oh, maybe that's a track.
So, yeah.
So it's just interesting that the letters are off kilter.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Like, there was some font corruption.
Or like when they printed this out, the paper got jammed for a little bit at the end.
Yeah, yeah, I like it, though.
So on the band camp.
Font corruption is a good band name.
There's 28 tracks, and it spells out, behold, our super sweet realm.
Oh, I see what they did there.
Yeah.
A little wordplay.
A little word play.
I wonder if they need, did they need your, did they need your U.S.
USB, Y to the right there.
Yeah.
Oh, look at these people on the cover.
Again, what kind of bit illustration is this?
I was going to just ask, like, it's not 8-bit, right?
It's like a mixture of needlepoint and 8-bit.
Needle point, right.
2-bit?
I don't know if they ever had 2-bit systems.
You, 92-bit alt-wick.
Pixel art.
Pixel art, though, because isn't it more like it has, I think pixel art is more square.
but these are squares are they maybe i just need my classes off pass it back over yeah these are squares
that's much more crisp now i need him i need to truth be told i do have to make an eye doctor
it reminds me more of ms paint than it does dos if i'm being honest yes yes whereas the dungeons the
other thing that you played the insert thing the vellum sheets was very doss right right that's true
this looks very thematic jamie i'm your two tapes you've played to i know well jamie always has a thing
so excited on what is his third tape
going to be now?
Yep.
Because look at these things.
Well, that's why you got to stick around.
Yeah.
Here I'll do.
Jamie takes us on a journey every time
that we're not prepared to go on, but
it...
Hmm.
I missed that one.
All right.
So Tallulah Bank Heist are two artists
Hedra Rowan and Nick
Maryhue.
That is electro-nonsense.
Where are they from?
I need a location.
I need them to share their location with me.
I don't know if I ever found that out.
I don't even say I can name five songs.
Oh, no.
They don't really have a lot of works on discogs.
You know, I'm going to guess I'm going to guess Brooklyn.
That's where all these are.
But they're really from fucking Iowa.
Right, that's true.
I know, man.
I'm like, oh, I live in New York.
I'm like, oh, how long did you live there?
Six months.
Four weeks.
All right.
I might play two more now.
Oh, my God.
Two more.
What?
Can I play two instead?
Yeah.
You want to play?
Oh, you mean instead of me playing too?
No, I'll...
Right now, because I bought three random tapes
when I bought that conspiracy tape.
Okay, yeah, go ahead. You can go now.
You can go ahead.
Very unconventional, but I'll...
All right, I'm going to play this band.
I'm pretty sure these bands are all kids.
This band's all kids.
I think it's called...
What is it called?
Surrender.
And the tape's called Golden Neuse.
It's got a little golden noose on it.
This is on R Block Productions.
69 out of 75.
I just, this isn't the song I'm going to play.
Tomb is the song, but I'm just going to read a little bit of the lyrics.
Jamie, can I have a little bit of reverb?
Yeah.
Hello.
Hello.
Check, check.
All right.
This is the end lyrics for the song, Tomb.
Give them some scary background.
music too. Yeah, yeah. I know you got like a witch's keyboard or something. Yeah. Yeah, put it on the
witch's keyboard. Hello? Okay, there you go. All right. Excuse me. Stop. All right. Ready?
There's no fucking point in anything I do. All these things I've learned from you. I'm worthless. I'm
failing. I'm choking. I'm dying. That's sad. There's no medicine or powerful the music.
one of the favorite things I have on this tape is the thank you list
a special thanks to Tanner's mom for being a total babe
so the tone changes a lot
yeah imagine being Tanner so see there are
so look a picture of these kids
oh I forgot they were kids
so Colin talking about somebody's mom is pretty funny
yeah yeah it's Tanner's mom dude
oh these are children
again I know nothing about this Jamie
R block records
surrender golden noose
I wonder who
I wonder what the deal
with Tanner's mom actually is
And this came with a little
like a little business card thing
that just says 641 distro
dot big cartel.com
So
I found him
Yeah I knew you would
This was released
To get
Do you know what year this is from?
I would say it's around the same time
2016
2018
2013
2013
Oh so they're men now
They're men
They're men
These aren't little boys anymore
Wonder if Tanner's mom
Still got it
You gotta wonder
she keeps it tight they put out a record in 2010
really yeah yeah so yeah again
I did listen this one a little bit so just rewind to aside
okay yeah is oh yeah you 299 for all these tapes huh
yeah you're going so I'm doing a double rock block
okay let's do it do I get to play anything
now you get to go and do whatever you want okay um
what is this one I'm gonna play this one
what time is it all right we got time
Oh, what is this I have here?
You fear, jazz.
It's not jazz.
Lars McCoy.
Hello, computer.
Lars McCoy, endless waltz on a label.
Hello, computer.
Nice.
That was cool.
On a label with my...
There's no medicine.
There's no medicine.
There's no medicine.
There's no medicine.
There's no medicine.
The music is not a
No medicine
There's no medicine
There's no medicine
And I'm the next five
Pops
Joe B
Change for a dollar
Hell yeah
Activated skeleton
It's like my favorite name
For a label
Wait a minute
What?
I know that label
Oh
Jamie
Why?
Why, Jamie?
We've played them before
We've played them before
Well we definitely have
How do you activate a skeleton?
Well that's why I like the name so much
There's so much intrigue
I guess it's a spell
And then once you can't
Once you cast activate skeleton, you have an activated skeleton.
What if you build some sort of like mech costume type thing that the skeleton goes inside of and you activate it?
Oh, I thought you were going saying that the mech thing is a skeleton.
Maybe it's that. Maybe it's that.
That just means a framework.
What if there's some sort of like ooze?
What if there's some sort of ooze that activates the skeleton?
And now it can move?
Yeah.
Okay.
So this is a bio-mechanical construct.
That's why I like it so much
You've found it
That's why I like it so much
We did it, Joan
Start a pick from Joe B
Because
The mystery is there
It could be anything
Well not anything
I think there are some few things
It can't be anything
There are limitations
It still has to fit into the activated skeleton
There are limitations
It still has to be an activated skeleton
Well I'm going to put that on my
DIY spell list
For my game I'm making
I think it's
I think it's something
So Cass Shadow, which Jamie didn't understand.
I think it's something that
we've only thought about this in terms
of like a human skeleton. I think cast shadow
is a good spell because you can make a false
shadow to distract a person.
Yeah, it's an excellent spell.
It's not that he doesn't think it's a good spell,
it's that he didn't understand what you were talking about.
Oh, right. I can't wait to play the Alex Holman
D&D adventure with Jamie.
Oh, bonus episode. Bonus episode coming soon.
Yeah. But Lars McCoy,
endless waltz,
record it. Oh, God, he's one of these guys.
record it while eating and drinking
and then he processed that through a euro rack
everybody's got a euro rack everybody's that white shade
that fat it's smegma
it's a home-dubbed cassette
on it says
satellite and then they have satellite music
CD it says cyanotype
yeah on denim I don't know what cyanotype
cyanotype is like a kind of like a photo
printing type method where you code it with a silvery blue
material and then put a negative on it
so you coat this like in this case denim yeah with that with that liquid and then you put a positive on it is that a positive or a negative well i guess it depends on what you want you put a transparency thing on it and expose it to light and then when you take it off and wash it then the other you know just like doing a screen print okay i never heard that before cyanotype oh yeah that's a that's a that's a method let me see can i say it um a lot of people
to music these days, huh?
Jamie, do me a favor.
I want you to, this is something I discovered.
Find Lars McCoy on Discogs and tell me how many entries that they have.
Because from what I found, I have some information that I found, but I'm not sure if it feels
right.
Not my favorite sticker thing.
What, just like the sticker.
Just the circle sticker and it's just handwritten A.
Well, you know now.
B.
But it's productive.
You know.
And this is broke.
Do you know that Lars McCoy has a credit on one of Mike Haley's tapes?
Yeah, that's what I found.
And I think there's only four discogs credits.
And one of them is artwork for a tape I did.
Oh, really?
What tape?
I forget.
A ghoul treatment on gay hippie vampire.
I haven't been looking at the nubs.
You guys keep talking.
You got to do nub checkup.
Let Joe B do a little nub checkup.
Nubless.
Nubless.
Shake it around.
It stays in there pretty good.
Yeah, because what do you need to do that?
There's no rattle.
Yeah.
They learned over time that the tape could be secure.
There was something about when tapes first came.
came out that they felt like they had to really secure that.
Yeah, yeah.
And they went through many iterations of shapes.
And then somebody was like, well, you know what?
I don't think they do need to be.
Yeah, I got to put the circles there just in case we need it.
Double nubless over here.
But I guess I'll just play one because we got a pretty heavy block.
Look at double nubless over here.
Get a load of this guy.
Oh.
Hey.
Let me
Let it's hear about the hell and tell it's how it's been the floor
Come on the dark, come in the dark, come down, come on a freak of a shit.
The map is out to listen.
Motherfucking, yeah.
I see a lot of tough out.
It's coming by and I.
He's got the degradation.
The ultimate!
The sky is we are taken!
And we're not far behind!
The sky is being taken!
And we're not far behind.
They'll decide if it rains on the day they steal our mind.
There is all the other!
I won't let me again!
Raise us!
Raise us!
They're hiding by you guys!
Raise them!
Raise up!
Just shut down!
I'm getting a rabel!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
I don't know
I don't know
Why don't know
I don't know
I'm trying to feel like I'm trying to feel like that.
I'm looking at!
But you're supposed to get to do it again
I'm sorry to defendants
I'm glad to die.
I'm excited to die.
I'm sorry.
The United Chalky Chalky Chances!
We thank you.
I.
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.
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I don't know.
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We're going to be able to be.
We are going to be able to be.
I don't know
I'm going to be able to be.
We're going to be.
We are going to be...
We are going to be able to be.
We are going to be.
We are going.
We are going.
We are going.
We are.
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I'm not.
Oh!
Oh!
Oh!
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I don't know how we're gonna be found this
What are you?
Kind of a man to ride on the matter of beauty
My own affection, not in the breath.
That's right on this is going to do.
And it's a mistake.
And it's a deal.
I'm going to be found who's got to see.
I want to talk is a mental change.
You're not going to have been in everything to say.
One of the soul was I won.
But I know who's breaking the other man.
Ah!
But I've sent myself off,
I wear myself to
be bothered myself to
You
I am trying to
I am
strad of his heart
strangle
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We're going to be.
We're going to go.
I'm going to see.
We're going to be.
We're going to be able to be.
We're going to be able to be.
We're going to be.
We're going to be able to
I'm going to be.
I don't know how much.
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We're going to be.
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We're going to be.
I'm going to be.
I'm going to be able to
work.
We're going to be able to be.
We're going to work.
We're going to be able to be.
We're going to be able to be.
We're going to be able to be able to get away.
Get away.
I don't know how much.
I don't know.
I don't know what I'm going to be.
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We're going to be.
We're going to be.
We're going to be.
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Pretty fucking good track, dude.
Sounded like a beer can getting flattened.
That was...
Conspiracies, 2016 demo.
And then surrender, golden no.
No, no, Tolula Banckeyes was between that.
No, Jamie went.
Remember we sandwiched a name?
Jamie went first
No, no
I played two tapes in a row
And you're only naming one
I don't think you did
Golden Neuse
We just played it surrender
Here's what happened
You
Pick the conspiracy tape
Yeah
Then Jamie picked a tape
Then I said I'm gonna play two
And you said well then I want to play two
I thought that got added on to my
First thing
So you're saying that that tail ended
Yeah we don't have the ability
To go back and add it in there
Okay that's fine
As long as I did get two
You got two
All right
Chiching
So it was the conspiracy 2016 demo.
It was Tallulah Bank Heist.
Yep.
Realm on Cry Like Donna, which was the second part in Jamie's three-part series.
Can't wait to see how it ends.
Then you played Surrender, those little boys.
The tape was called Golden News on R Block.
Then you went.
And then I went.
I played Lars McCoy, Enlist Waltz, activated skeleton.
And that was the block.
so what do we what do we land on surrender those Jenny from the block
you think they're like in their late 20s early 30s now yeah time really caught up with
you know because they put our record out in 2010 you said too right
yes that's right yeah yeah and we don't know where they're from
I don't I don't want to stress you out you got a lot going on on your plate right now
might be able to figure that out what area code is 641
oh hello I carry the four
yeah no computer I don't have
it on me
641 is
Iowa
Central Iowa
So that
came with a
little card
that said
641 distro
Okay so
That's a lead
It's a lead
I'm not saying
Yeah
They're a distro
For all kinds of stuff
I'm not hauling anyone
Into the station
Over just that
But it's definitely
I'll look out
It is something
You know
It's a trail
It is a trail
All right
We should probably
End this episode
We should let
Jamie do you want to
Go first
So you can really
Just do the big old
Reveal
I don't think
I can name five
songs. Yeah, so, well, my reveal is,
well, first, I was able to break free
from Mike Haley for this one. What the hell
does that even mean? Well, the first two
tapes you basically picked out for me. For your influence.
Yeah, I'm fucking helping you. I thought I was your
friend, man. I said, well, you help me, but now I can fly.
You're pulling the strings. You're a puppet master. Actually, I'm
now I'm going to take control back. Here's how I do it.
Before you play this tape, I want you to read that
fucked up message you got. Oh, yeah.
You got a tape-related message. Well, it doesn't have
to be fucked up. It's just a strange message.
Okay.
It was a bit on the eccentric.
It's an eccentric, but fucked up.
I'm not going to say who this is from, but it's...
Now, I also should say I haven't read it, so...
I don't think fucked up is bad.
Okay.
It's from a friend of the show sent to me on Instagram.
I'm not sure if this person's a listener.
Like, if I told you, Joe B, like, if you did something cool and I said, man, you got
like a fucked up mine, man.
But it still has negative connotations.
I think there were good intentions, but it was a weird conversation.
Should you have some sort of background music to this?
A little revert.
Not revert.
Do you have background music on your...
I don't know.
I can get something.
Yeah.
Give me a, like a leisure suit lawyer.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
So, I'm going to do,
so for my voice,
I'll do like a deeper voice.
Yeah, right.
Can you pitch that down, Mike?
I can try.
I'm selling off all my goods
over the next two years.
I want to extend an invitation
to the tabs out crew.
We could find a weekend.
I can pick y'all up
at the Ontario airport.
Y'all?
Yep.
You can.
So I'm coming?
Yeah.
all y'all okay you can pick all the stuff you want we will find medium excuse me we can pick up all
this we can pick all the stuff you want we will find medium price on discogs and I will knock off
another 25% discount I can take you to post office and out at night then back to airport
Sunday night or Monday night it's a weekend and I said Ontario we're in Delaware I thought
in L.A. And this person
says, I am L.A. County.
Ontario is the major airport on
the east of the county, and
L.A.X. is the west.
I'm thinking you could fly in Thursday afternoon
or night, and I'll pick you up.
While I'm working Friday, you can put together
all the tapes you want. There are just a few
I want to keep. Then we can mail them
Saturday morning. Oh, wait, so we're not taking
them back on the plane with us.
No, I think we're shipping them to the post office.
At the post office.
Okay. Why can't I bring
Since I'm flying in real quick, why can I just have a carry-on bag?
Because you're going to get so many tapes, man.
Oh, okay.
You're not going to be able to carry him back.
Okay, all right.
Keep going.
Then I can take you out Friday night in San Gabriel Valley.
Oh, we get to go out a night.
So he works all day Friday.
They work all day Friday.
And we look through the stuff.
Yeah, like we're in their apartment, digging through all their stuff.
Yeah.
But they don't live there.
So what do you mean apartment?
Are we at the airport?
See, now I'm thinking Ontario is somewhere in L.A.
wait Ontario is the major airport on the east of the country and LAX is the West
I don't get this now I can take you out
I'm thinking you could fly in Thursday so now I think they changed it
I think they're like no Ontario is out you're coming to L.A.
Oh okay so we fly in to L.A. on a Thursday
yeah
do we I guess we go out that night
is they say I then I can take you out Friday night
that's Friday night but I'm talking about Thursday night
Thursday night we're coming in
Thursday we get there we get there we get there we just
to the unwind
where I'll be gently
Okay
Friday we go
to their house
Yeah
We look through the stuff
They get off work
Five
Yeah yeah
We go out on the town
Go out on the town
Don't even talk about the tapes
That night
We don't even talk about tapes
Well it's in the thing
Yeah Saturday
We're on Saturday now
Saturday we can go to the mountains
Behind me
Or visit L.A.
If there's a show
Sunday
I drop you off at the airport
Either way
There's a guest room
So it's a free getaway
Okay so yeah
This is we're in L.
We're in L.A.
Yeah.
The Ontario thing's out the door.
That's out the door.
Okay.
All the people who want my things are record store people and they just mark them up and sell them.
All my close friends are vinyl people.
Let me know your thoughts.
I would love to help tabs out make a bit of money.
Jamie, give me a really...
Oh, so we're reselling these?
I don't know.
But after some...
Do they think that we sell all the stuff that we get?
I don't know.
I think he thinks we're a store.
Okay, so I said, after a while, because I was like, how do I respond to this?
Because it was such a detailed...
And it's also somebody...
even though it's an odd request
it's somebody genuinely sounding to be nice
and going out of their way to like offer something
so you know I said
yo sorry for the delay we'll definitely not be able to do this
thanks for thinking of me slash us
truth is we have more tapes than we know what to do with
and people send them for free
so I rarely buy tapes anymore and I know Mike and Joe
are the same in fact
don't say that
that's true rarely I do
I buy tapes all the time I'm constantly supporting tapes
tape labels and everything.
And then I said, I did say,
Joe just gave me six boxes of tapes.
And I said, that's an unprecedented gift and a burden.
Yeah, but you had it.
That's life, Jamie.
But didn't you guys, you met at the Ontario airport
when you did that, right?
Well, Toronto.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I noticed that Jamie spoke for us.
Like, we can't, we definitely can't do it.
Yeah, I mean, I could.
Road trip.
I'm ready to do this.
I don't even.
So we're driving to L.A. now?
So that we don't need to do the post.
Say, if we drive, we don't need to do.
do the post office stuff. We're going to rent a car. We'll rent a car and I only want like four or
five tapes. So there's four specific ones I want to get. Well, hopefully they have them. Yeah.
Well, that's what I'm hoping that they have them. All right. That's true. Well, we got all day
Friday to look through the tapes while this person's at work. Yeah. All right. That sounds like a good
fun. But it sounds pretty sick. Then we get to go to the mountains. The mountains? Yeah.
Are there more tapes in the mountains? No, no. That's just for fun. That's a different thing.
And then maybe a show. Maybe a show. If there is a show. Right. Yeah. Who is he
paying for the show?
Dinner and a show.
It didn't say that, so I would assume no.
This sounds like a lovely weekend.
It might be.
Why did you say no?
And it's free?
Oh, it's free.
Freedom isn't free.
I'm assuming he's going to pay for our tickets are like...
No, all this is on our dime.
He's only given us a 25% discount off mid-level discogs.
Yeah.
He said medium, but I think he meant median.
Because discogs has the median price.
He said the medium.
No, I want 25%.
It still comes from the base root word of meaning in the middle.
Okay, true.
I want 25% off the youth large on discogs.
All right.
So anyway, yeah, I don't know what made me think about that.
I showed it to Mike, and then Mike wanted me to read that on the show.
So I thought it was worth of reading.
I hope I don't get in trouble for it, but I think it was pretty interesting.
I do think you will get in trouble, but that was also part of my plan.
Oh, excuse me.
All right, Jamie, welcome to the jungle.
So you got a, you got a close-in-close about.
This is one I picked out all by my big boy self.
Let me pass it around.
Mike, tell me what you see on...
Not much so far.
He sees a little DOS prompt, right?
Oh, I saw you sent the pictures.
There's a little code type of...
If you put it in the light the right way, though, it becomes a little bit evil.
There's something in the background.
There's like a...
It might be a Nordic run.
What do you catch?
Oh, Jamie?
The one tape I played had some iron crosses on the artwork, too.
I didn't vet that either.
What do you call when you, like, catch a demon,
and, like, you put down, like, salt or whatever?
Yeah, like, I know what you mean.
It's, like, one of those, but they're kind of trying to catch the C-prompt.
Oh, oh, oh, so that is, uh, that's the Nordic compass.
Is that what that is?
Yeah.
A notorious white power symbol.
Are you serious?
Huh?
This?
Right here?
Yeah.
No way.
No, I'm not sure.
Oh, my God, jokes.
I've covered them up.
It's always sketchy when people want Norrist.
stuff. So this is a, um, this is an artist called Master Boot Record. I bought this on the last
band camp Friday. I realized I had skipped, I had become so zealous about band camp Friday. I used to
spend over $100 every band camp Friday during COVID. And this band camp Friday came around. I said,
you know what? I'm going to, I'm going to go on, on band camp and find one tape. And that's
what's interesting. That no one told you about it. You found it yourself. All by myself.
A little, a little exploration to find a tape on bank camp. Yes, is what you found?
I found it, but you know what?
I thought it was a new release.
This thing's from 2020.
2020 is not a new release,
no, it's not a new release at all.
And the style of it, though, is very up my alley.
It's kind of like a chip tune, like, NES,
Castlevania, but like heavy metal style.
Yeah, I was going to say that seems like a good,
the artwork, this mixture of like, you know,
it's got like the, what's the Metallica album with the snake on the black on black?
Yeah, it's just called the Black Album.
S&M?
Yeah.
S&M.
S&M.
So it's the Vegovizier.
It's an Icelandic magical stave
symbolizing guidance protection
and a way to never get lost
in storms or unfamiliar territories.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Good job.
And what's,
there's more like black and box.
Oh, wow, there's a bunch here.
On the spine, did you notice
there's more on the spine?
No, I didn't.
Like, it says some more words
underneath internet protocol.
Master Boot Records, the artist.
Okay.
And then all the track titles
are on the backflat.
Yeah, and the track titles
are all like internet
uh another good printing on the thing
do we talk about that oh oh a black and white
black and white there you go
the shell is half black half white is half black half white
and the imprinting is also
it's black on white white white on black so this is like
some sort of digital paganism
okay yeah it is it is digital
I'll give you that
I'm confused how this goes in with your other two
that you picked
uh just the DOS
type stuff
yeah but that's that yeah the kind of the
pixelated
throwback
to like old technology
with new stuff
so I think
you have to announce your theme
your theme today is a throwback
no it's he never has to know
we dissect it and we
figure it out
it's like taro
okay all right
okay thanks Joe
this is was put out on a French label
called you gotta spell it out
data airlines
I know but I don't get it
that's the thing is I don't get it
yeah sometimes I watch movies
I don't get them
me too
Robocop
I don't get it
is he a robot
Is it a robot or a cop?
Is he a robot or a cop?
I don't fucking get it.
All right.
What's the nubs situation on this tape, Joe?
Standard, I already looked.
Standard, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's pretty much all I got to say.
It's basically like Ninja Guidon or Castlevania.
It's like fast NES type music, but like a little bit more modern and more speed-metallie type sounding.
I sent you that tape to see if we played it before a couple weeks ago, that Krypton Nim tape.
You said we did play it like a long time ago.
But it was, like, midi black metal.
Oh, nice.
It had, like, blast beats and stuff?
Yeah, but they were, like, all midi, like, digital.
But then the guitars were real, though.
Oh, that's cool.
With vocals.
I was really good.
Yeah.
All right, so I'll play this Indec tape, Yope Plus.
Indec, Ohio artist.
Jeremy Bible.
I'm not really sure.
So the tracks are Yop, Akin, Sund, Fink, and Ixis.
and side A are different mixes of those songs
And side B is also different mixes
Of a bunch of those songs
Oh so this is all really
Because you remember black unicorn? They lived in Philly
Yeah, oh yeah
There's a black unicorn mix on here
Nice
So are these all remixes?
Or is it like side A is the tracks
And side B is a remixes?
No, no, no, it says what song it is
And then like side A is Yope, status expunged mix
Uh, sunned, renegade Android mix
icy reels mix
R6 implant mix
So these are different people
mixing
Index tracks
Okay
Is there any of
It just comes in an O-card here
There's no insert or anything
Unless it fell out
Oh god
That's the thing you have to worry about
With the O-card
Is that the insert's just gonna fall out
I'm always worried about these things
Getting wet
You put these down and they're yeah
Yeah it's ruined
You know how much stuff I spill all the time
You don't even have to spill it
You just have to have a glass
Like sweating on the table
them. And also, this is O-Card. Look at the loose as this is. I'll put my microphone over to the table so you can hear this. I'm just going to loosely hold the O-Card. The tape falls right out. That's why it needs nubs. You need nubs in the O-Card. In the O-Card. I wonder if there's ever been an O-Card nub. They're kind of like a pop, you know, a pop-up book? Yeah. So they like, they pop up to take it out and then they pop back in. It's like you can only, they only, I think they kind of only go one
way and they spring back up.
Oh, it's like one of those traps or something.
Yeah.
I don't know if I can say
Chinese finger trap anymore.
But a finger trap. Yeah. It's like a finger
trap. Yeah. Yeah.
I think we can work on that. You definitely need
something, a belt on it or something, because
that thing ain't snug. Well, not a belt
this way, but a belt that way. You know what happened
is that tape just lost a few pounds.
Well, it's old O-Card doesn't fit it anymore.
That's fine. It's like, it's got to be
like shared from subway.
With the skin.
With the loose skin.
You might need to take this in for surgery, a little corrective surgery.
I can take this my tailor.
Put a heat gun up to it.
Maybe you can shrink it a little bit.
All right, I'll get my tools later.
Okay, so you're going to play what mix from this?
I don't know, just put it in.
Let's see what the first one is.
Well, it's the Yip-YAPE mix.
Interesting.
Yope?
Yope.
Yope is the name of a...
Yop is the track, and then it's status expunged mix.
Remixing the track.
yope
yope from
Indeck
Yop plus
What was the
first artist
he played
Yode or something
like that
He played Vode or something
Vode
Yeah
Oh wow
That's a theme
That's interesting
We didn't even plan that
Stuff to dissect later
Yeah
Four letters
This is for the heads
Yeah
Speaking of the heads
I got something
To end this one with
So if you notice
I did play a few
Noise tapes tonight
You did
I played a few noise tapes
You took us back
I took a few back
That is
Electrononsense
I got a new one here on Strategic Tape Reserve.
I think this is a very important piece.
A lot of people into music these days, huh?
This is Dr. Peter J. Woods from the Learning by Listening Volume 9.
Hello, computer.
Tape.
And it's called Learning to Make Noise
Towards a Process Model of Artistic Practice
Within Experimental Music Scenes.
You fair, jazz.
So, Jamie, you know without this tape.
I don't think you know about it, Joe.
we know we know you talk to me about it we know peter j woods who uh doctor please he earned that
regular dentist music is my daughter that's the problem is you don't you have a thing against respect for
elders and people uh who have you know paid their dude well it's like if you're a doctor it's like
okay then okay then my leg hurts will you fix it and they say well not that kind of doctor i do but
doctor i read books yeah i'm a doctor of poems and it's like no no fix i got this really bad
my toenails grow back into my body and i can't figure out why
Fix it.
Give me some kind of ointment.
Volume 9.
What are the other volumes?
Oh, they're up there on the show.
Learning by listening?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Can you grab one and tell it?
Because I don't remember.
Let's see how quickly you can do this.
He's pointed out of the wrong spot.
I can tell he's pointed in the wrong spot.
There's a big strategic tape reserve coaster up there, Jamie.
That's with all the tapes.
Do you see any of the learning by listening?
I see two of them from here.
My eyesight is just grab one and tell me who it is.
Shapes for experts.
Okay, actually hand it to me.
So that one tells you about shapes.
You can learn about shapes.
I want to know who's doing it.
Okay.
Mike.
Stop rubbing the microphone with your body.
Is that what that was?
I want it.
I take it, man.
And I'm sweating so much that I feel like I got a nice little resonance on that foam microphone.
Shaves for Experts presented by the Center for Understanding New Trigonometries.
We might have played that on the show, too.
I'm sure we have.
I'm sure we have.
Interesting.
But this one is, so Dr. Peter J. Woods had an article on how to make, how to basically be, as he calls it on the tape, like a professional contact micist. A real noise artist, someone who can discover this noise and then learn what it is and then put it into practice and perform in front of people professionally.
In your everyday life. In your everyday life. But he realized a little flow.
with the article is that while you can read the article, you can't hear anything. There's important
things you need to actually hear. So that's why you have to listen to the tape. You have to also
listen. If you want to truly learn how to be... You can't just read it. You can't just read it. So there is a
paper, that's what you told me. He has a published peer-reviewed journal. Yes. Well, I don't know
if it got peer-reviewed. He may have snuck it in it. Okay. But it's in some sort of
quarterly journal, like a... It's probably some fucking filthy rags.
one of those some liberal art rag it's probably more of like a magazine yeah he's probably got
like or like a deer penthouse it's probably something like that okay so you have to miss connections
he posted on craigslist and if you're going to tell me that's not peer reviewed yeah then what is
then what is all right you have to there's there's an intro on this tape i'm not going to play that part
i'm going to get like a little bit more into it but there's an intro where he explains it
a little bit. He gives you a very, like,
I would say Nathan Fielder-esque.
Birds-eye view.
A bird's-eye view to the whole thing.
It's very funny. I recommend any...
I'm not going to try to do it any...
You couldn't do it justice.
Well, you don't have the degree.
I don't have to... I've never been...
Well, you guys are my only peers, and you refuse to review me.
You wouldn't like what you're here.
And I'm like...
I don't care what it is. I just need it to be...
I need to be honest. And I'm like, Joe, will you be
review me and I see you just on TikTok like oh I'm busy I don't use TikTok I see you on it I'm busy
um but you have you're supposed to I think either read or have something read to you while you
listen to this tape so we're gonna bypass that because we're more of uh we're not academic we're
like well I'm dabbling you're dabbling but you're not there yet I know we'll just play
a little chunk of uh I don't know what artists are all involved in this like you were saying
earlier. The type is so small.
And I can't look at this. Let me see this. Oh, there's
different people on here? I've taken all
the calculus courses. Oh, there's
plenty of noise people on here.
Oh, featuring people.
Featuring people.
So, but this is on strategic tape reserve, and
I think it's a good, a good way to
end out, what I think at least used to be
a noise show. Oh, yeah.
It still is. It's just, it's transformed.
I don't know anymore.
I'm not
I'm gonnae'n't
I'm gonna'n't
I'm gonna'n't
I'm gonna'n't
I'm
I'm gonna'n't
a new
and I'm
I'm not
the way,
I'm not
the way
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
and so
I'm
and
I'm not
and I'm
I'm
and I'm
I'm
no,
I'm
You know, and so on the
I'm not.
And so,
I'm not.
And so,
and the
I'm,
and the
I'm,
and I'm,
I'm,
and no,
I'm,
and,
I'm,
Oh!
We're going to be able to be.
I'm gonna be
I'm gonna be,
I'm gonna
I'm
I'm
I'm
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