Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Episode #213 | 12.22.25

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

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Oh, mama me. Jamie, you're always saying every time I say, two and three, he says, oh, mama me. It's an Italian thing. That's a Jersey Italian thing. Yeah, it's very. That's me. I'm from Trenton. Are you from Trenton?

Trenton. That's where I was born. It's a hard life. I'm not from Trenton, but I'm from Mercer County. Oh, all right. What was that famous? I didn't mean to say that. I said it that very condescendingly.

You did. I'm not from Trent. The fuck you're talking about. I'm not from Trent. General Mercer County. All right, shut up. Shut up. Shut up.

We don't have time for all this because this is... Shut up! Sit down! This is actually a two... We're here for two reasons, not just to do the typical podcast because... I feel like we just did one. We did just do one. This isn't a pot...

We're not doing a podcast right now. Oh, right now we're not? We're not. Jamie, I sound very tinny. I want to point that out. If anybody's listening and they're like, why does the mic sound cool as shit like he normally does. It's because Jamie fucked up up again. I'm sorry, Jamie.

I forgot to add the bass to our vocals to make it sound like men. I don't need any help with that. So we have to do the list. My balls dropped a long time ago. We have to do the list. We have to come up with the best 200 tapes of the year. Right now. We have to do it right now. But we're going to have some

help because it's also like our end of the year party. I'd say what's happening is invited people here in the guise of hey come to our party come hang out have some Joby bake some cookies their lettuce cookies he's going to get

absolutely shit face Hope you like shredded carrot last year he's Xerox his butt he's Xerox the left cheek last year and he promises to do the right cheek this year but we're going to have some people come in help us make this list I mean

What I'm talking about Do you have any? Joby what are your reflections on the year? On the year of tapes of this year What are my reflexes? Oh, I don't shut up, hold that. Oh, good, because you put me on the spot. Oh, look who it is.

Look who it is. Look who it is. It's our good friend, Matthew Wheellock. We'll lock. What's up? Wheelock. We call him, what do we call? We call him the clipkeeper.

He's the clipkeeper, and he keeps all of our best clips online. And he's, this is your third trip to the studio to record to record. to record an episode we're praying that Jamie Jamie are you recording this right now let me check let me check if you're recording it okay yeah the levels are going Matthew say hello hello hi from Cincinnati

hi yeah Matthew what's the weather like it's like 10 degrees right now that's cold Celsius Fahrenheit I don't use that system we have another guest about to come on this is heating up already well do we knock knock knock knock I want to apologize first of all to Matthew

for you've been here like I said three times and we recorded two of really good episodes no one good episode with you and then Jamie said you couldn't come one time he had some yeah diarrhea issues he had some diarrhea issues with you but are you going to be able to do some work tonight try to help us with coming up with this list of the top 200 top 200 tapes the deal yeah absolutely okay good while this guest comes in will you go through the past year and find out Every time we said the word best, so we can try to figure out what were the best tapes. Oh, you're the best. Around.

Yeah, best might be too... All right, I'm going to admit this guess. Best might be too what? Vague. He knows what he's doing. Yeah, he'll figure it out. He's got the algorithm. Look what we got here?

You have good old Aiman from Strategic Tape Reserve. Hey. Hey, good, buddy. Amin, what's going on? I'm all right. How are you? Good. Good, we're busy.

Oh, my God. We're hell of, how are we? are hell of busy. What are you doing? Business. Business. Taking care of it. I understand that.

We're over here taking care of tape business. You run a strategic tape reserve. So you know what the tape business is all about, right? It's hectic, yeah. Yeah. What's it been like this year? What have you noticed? What changes in tape business have there been this year compared to the previous years?

Um, I mean, yeah. Yeah. yeah it's now quite difficult to send things to the uh united states uh why because we're the best because we're the best too scary yeah yeah i swear to god you i'll cut you right off this phone call if you start joe get old glory good old glory out and start waving it there's also um uh i thought the uh cassette comeback had ended but uh i learned that it didn't you wish yeah i just wasn't paying attention enough um strategic tape preserves hell of a year this year let's go through a little a few of a few of them. Dr. Peter J. Woods.

Yeah. Learning by Listening Volume 9, the continuation of the series. Mm-hmm. A hell of a tape. I'm going to say... It was very academic. We were really, you know, lucky to land that one. It's a good one.

We ourselves have entered in the world of academia. I don't know if you know that. Multiple books. So do you... Has the label... None mention me, but that's okay. That is true. None of the books about tapes have mentioned.

Joe yet. Has strategic tape reserve gone into a more academic area? I mean, we always have been, I think. Okay, never mind then. The beginning of learning by listening, right?

But I guess now we have like, you know, maybe accreditation or qualified... Tenure. You have tenure, probably. We are granting you tenure. We are granting strategic tape reserve tenure this year.

For ten years. Tenure for ten years. Tenure for ten years. 10 years. Good one, Jamie. What's tenure mean? You just work there, but you don't have to come to work anymore? You can't get fired. It's impossible to get fired.

The fucking unions, again with this. Basically, just stop putting out tapes. Speaking of tapes you've been putting out, something happening, a map has always been an attempt. Was that in a tape you put out this year? Yes. Tell me about that. Ting-ding-ding, ding.

Tell me about that. So that's, that's Darrell, where they're that. Worthington and Iris Colom reworking Who the hell is that? Live recordings with lots of loops that build

Furness the gate shut up, shut up, furnace the gateway. Who could that be? Furnace the Gateway. So these are some tapes you put out. What tape would you say if you had to pick one

that's going to go the highest up on our list? Which tape, which one would that be in your mind? oh that's like asking to pick your favorite child yeah you can't do that and jamie later on the episode i'll be asking you to pick your favorite child no we can just ask what's your favorite tape that you put out this year no but again it's the same question yeah it's the same question okay how about this how about this and say how about this out this out this out of all the

tapes you put out this year which ones do you like the most um i can't really say you know they're all my darling why don't you think about it if they're all tied to train tracks and you can only save one trolley, give him the trolley. Well, Jamie, all die. Jamie hit him with the trolley thing. Jamie loves hitting people with the trolley thing. Watch him work. Go, Jamie, do it. Watch him do it. Watch him do it. What's that?

A Sophie's choice? This is a Sophie's choice. Watch him do it. He's a pro. Unaculate. You got you got y'all tied to the train tracks. You got Peter J. Woods tied to the train tracks. You got Cromwell Ada Twix here tied to the train tracks. Most of them are going to have to die. You can only save one. Press the pause button. All die. The trolley's

a cassette deck, I think, but it eats tapes. Oh, listen, you think that over. Let's check in with Matthew Wheellock. Matthew, the best from this year. You got anything for us? No, I don't have anything yet, man. Jesus Christ, man. Well, it's 10 degrees there.

I thought computers wear better when they're cold. Yeah, shouldn't your processor be faster right now? It's Fahrenheit, though, just to let you know. It's not Celsius. Well, Amon is New Jersey. He's an expat. Oh, you're an expat. Yeah.

Jamie's a Jersey guy Yeah We've talked about this Where were you born? Me No no Amen Amen

Jersey boy You're a jersey boy too Right Yeah, I grew up in New Jersey Really? I didn't know that Holy moly Holy moly

They got a jersey boys This is a little You got to start Like a barbershot A barbershop quartet They need one more One more You guys look for one more

Jersey boy Who's the soprano Not me Don't make me be the soprano It's so emasculating When you guys do that to me Jamie I'm gonna

I'll get a random number here Amen from 1 to 200 okay it's 138 you can put a tape one of your tapes or someone else's tape or something else that you like

from this year at 138 what are you gonna put there 138 138 it was a random number it was a random number there's nothing I can do about it okay no I'm gonna put I give the guy

I could have not given him he's doing it he's doing it he's doing it I'm just saying I could have not given him anything at all he's doing it right now all right go ahead I'm not complaining about

137 or... He tried to make... He was trying to work his way. You did that. Yeah, I thought you guys were from New Jersey. That was a... This big misfits number right now. None of you called it.

I get to put a tape there. I'm going to put, um, uh, ports 1975 there. What is that? Wake me up! It's, um, it's on super polar tapes. And it's about the different. sub-neighborhoods

of a neighborhood called Ports which is part of Cologne and it's kind of Prague-y it's a big tape like a sea like it's Praguegy like the town like the town or the genre oh no no no no I've never consider that something being

Prague I don't think so me and Joe were on the same way we're on the same way with that because you're a European guy now or whatever that's making me think about a lot of music genres and what they might actually mean yeah Prague rock could be a whole

separate genre. Let's look big. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, that one. So that's P-O-R-Z-1975, correct? Yeah. Let's see. Let's see.

It's also a double LP? It's giant. I got it playing in the background right now, actually. Got to be big. You got to be big. Matthew, I pray. I pray you have something. No, I don't have anything.

Okay, okay. Somebody give Matthew a different word. He can't do best. His computer doesn't do best. yet top top two thousand twenty five top twenty five he couldn't do best and you're going to give him

that has math in it you did very well with Obama on the Obama's easy we talked about them all the time all right do Obama or New Jersey how about New Jersey? Oh that's a good one yeah do New Jersey when have we ever brought New Jersey oh this is chill as hell Amin yeah

so we let's go back to your tapes though let's say the furnace tape the gateway tape the gateway to what do we want to get into that I'm a philosophical guy but that might be too heavy

I mean I think I think it's for each listener to sort of discover what what gateway who's that Jamie's getting a call Jamie's getting a call I'm sorry this is very unprofessional

he's answering it too I don't mind I'm not judging Hey, it's trying to reach John Corny. No, no, no, no. This is Tabs Out headquarters. You're not affiliated with the former governor, John Carney? I recognize that voice. I think Mike one time assaulted him out of Farney or Carney.

You know, it depends on one corner of your ancestors come from. I don't know. Just tell where Dan, though. I think I recognize some of your voices. Oh, no problem. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Oh, no, I know who you are.

Hey, Delaware, Dan, we have here Amon Hamill from Strategic Tape Reserve and Matthew Wheelock from the Tabs Out Archive. Oh, excellent. Hey, guys, you know, happy holidays, as they say. Hey, happy holidays. Are they doing holidays in Germany this time year? I'm not in Germany. I'm not in Germany. He wasn't asking you.

He was asking me. He was asking me. I think that was just a general question. I don't think he can hear Amon because it's just on my phone and we're on the I have to put it next to my headphone can't. Are you in Germany? That I heard what he said. But he's not in Germany anymore and he was very offended.

He can't disclose his location. That's my bad. You know, I have such a predictive mindset that I can kind of guess what people are going to say. So I'm going to act like I know what he said. And I'm going to say, my bad. That was my bad, dude. How's business, Delaware Dan? As business as usual, as they say in the biz.

So, you know, it's going pretty good. I mean, we got ups, we got downs, you know, it's kind of, you can graph it, the numbers and all this, so it's, you know, it's, it is what it is. You know, we're trying, we're over here busting our asses trying to make this, um, top 200 list of cassette tapes from the year. You know how we make, you remember the list, right, that we do every year? Yeah, oh, yeah. Okay. Is there a deal? Is there any, is there any way you can help us with that? Yeah, you know, so, um, this person in which I do have a 50-foot restraining order against.

but a former client of mine, Alex Homan, try to send this to Tombstoneer free tape. I don't know if it's coming to mail yet. I think we got it. It came to my residence yesterday. Oh, thank God. You know, someone's doing something right in this country. You know what I'm saying?

So what's this tome stoner tape? What is it? So it's, according to him, it accompanies a 100-page, choose-your-own-adventure by rolling 20-sided dice or some bullshit. I don't know. It sounds like something Joe B might be into. I might be into.

But the soundtrack was finished a little bit ahead of the book. Did you get the book too, Jenny? Well, there was, it wasn't really a book, but it was like a few eight and a half by 11 pieces of paper folded up. I heard that can be a book. Maybe in some jurisdictions that's considered a book. No, or a tome. I don't know if we said, have we said this is Delaware Dan yet?

I don't know if he did. He introduced himself. Delaware, Dan. Okay, no problem. He has to, no problem. He has to. I also noticed that Alex Homan put out a tome stoner two tape earlier this year, and Jamie was saying it came with much more accoutrement and had more stuff with it.

What is going on with the downgrades? The tariffs. Well, yes, the tariffs. It's also affecting the labor. I mean, the elves aren't working as hard in Stey's Workshop. You know, I don't know what's going on. They need to unionize or something because they're behind schedule. they're supposed to have a hundred pages done.

Talk about Kuchermont. Tom Stoner 3, it's going to have more Kutermont. You're going to open the tape, and there's going to be straight up confetti, a download codes, raining out. Codes. And it's, and, you know, so, but no, it's, it's going to be the tape in the

book or it will be sold separately. So this one, you can, you can buy it separate from the from the tones. I did want to point out, though, that this Tompsterner 3 tape has Joseph Pika on it. It's worth mentioning that. where on the list will do you want to put tome stoner two on the list

tom stoner three or both of the tapes do they both go on it? I would say Tom Stoner 3 would take the cake on this one. We've done a lot of focus groups. We've done a lot of we stack them up. We've even done some stress tests. I'm not going to go into what that means but it's intense

so I mean the way to two stack up you can leave two off the list that's no problem. I mean no problem. Three has a lot more of a better mix on that one. It's him. Joe. Okay.

So, I'll point out, the last thing I'll say about it is side A is for, like, if you're just doing adventure in, walking around, doing explorations, side B is for battle. So it's like an alliterative. Once you enter a battle scene or something like that, you flip the tape over.

On the B side, you can now listen to doing battles and fighting. Oh, nice. I like that. Okay. Yeah, I like that. Separate music for battles. So in the, in the spirit of RPGs and stuff, Should we, I can roll a 200 side die here and give you a number for where it will land.

Will you tell me if it's a legal number? Yeah, so let me know what number is. I'll let you know if it floats the boat. A 114. Yeah, I mean that's... Jerry says? Yeah, we'll sell for that. That's fine.

All right, so now tell us what your pick for 114 would be. What one would be? Yeah, for the year. It could be any tape you want. want that came out this year that you like? Yeah, what tape you want to put in the list? Yeah, there's this, uh, oh man, I don't know if it came out this year. Fuck.

It can come out another year. That's fine, too. There's Austin Walrus tape. Austin Walrus? Did he say Austin Walrus? Austin Walrus. I'm here in Austin. If you want to hear it, and that's, you know, that's on you.

Delaware Dan, I'm hearing Austin Walrus. Yeah, W.H. I don't know how to spell walrus. Do you love to wander in beneath the club? Oh, man, maybe it's an egg man. I'm getting confused here, guys. I don't know. But, all right, so...

Listen, this is your chance to add a tape to the list. There's nothing... I can't hold your hand here. All I can do is say you have, like, a million-dollar opportunity here. Are you going to drop the ball, or are you going to say a tape? All right, now the pressure's on, so I don't know if I can... I'm going to have to fold. But, yeah, I'm just, uh...

You know, I say about what I said. He folded. You folded. Yeah, that's what I always do when I play poker. Okay. No, it's not that guy. Okay, so I'm going to say I'm going to say Delaware, Dan

And then couldn't hear hear what he said But what number you want that at 114? Well, that's already That's already 14 And then the other one do Body Melon in a Garden of Death By Austin Walrus

I can't hear what he's saying about the Walrus What is he saying? Austin Walrus Like Texas, Austin, Texas Yeah And Walrus like the animal But there's a Y instead of an eye But where?

But where, Dan? Where is that? Can you just email us that? Can you just email me? What number? I'll get my client to send you a text message with a pertinent information. What number, though? What number does it go? That one goes, well, 1008, 108. 108. All right, all right. What do we got? Austin Wallers. Body melt in the Garden of Death. This is so weird because that's like. I mean, pretty, you know, I know. Pretty good, but a dime a dozen these days. Stock and noise tapes has dropped considerably ever since this noise lawyer Instagram account got started, but it's still pretty pertinent

in the information of documents that are of utmost importance. Joe B, do we figure out if they even came out this year? Oh, we didn't figure that out. Delaware, Dan, could you think it was released in 2024? 2024? Okay, it's already on the list. I'm sorry.

Hang up on. I can't afford a longer for a moment. Let's just see if they're going over our time. Something else this year. Then we'll put that on the list. Yeah, pick another tape. Find out what label that was on or another thing from that artist. I want to make sure we're not holding Aymann hostage here. I feel like...

Well, Amon, I mean, this whole time, has he thought about where he's putting that furnace tape? I get to put the furnace tape somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely. Oh, um... Oh, shit. I just delete the list. Fuck, hold on. I get to choose a number.

Yeah. Okay. Yes. It's like a role playing game. It's like a role playing game. If you don't choose a number... You don't choose a number. J.B. doesn't know how to do this. He hasn't been involved yet. I'm going to fold. Can I say 50? Oh, yeah. You can say 50. It's a big swing. You know what? I'll allow it. Okay. First. It looks amazing. Matthew Wheelock. Do you have... I don't know what we're paying you for, but do you have anything for us? New Jersey was mentioned in September of this year. I think Joe B was tattooed by a Jeff Horn. Oh, that's correct.

Yeah. And he did, he does that the Dungeons and the project, Final Heaven, which I played. Oh, I'm going to put that on the list.

Okay, do we know if it came out this year? It did. It did. Okay, where do we want that on the list? Final Heaven. Or do you want me to roll the 200,

yeah, two D-100s. 97. 97. Oh, wow. 97 FM. That's not that bad. Of course,

Amy went for 50, which I thought was kind of presumptuous. Presumptuous? You said I could do anything. Yeah, but I thought like, you know,

Normally when you say... Yeah, but my mom says that to me all the time. She doesn't really mean it. Yeah, but a little bit of class, you know, sometimes you don't just, like, whip them out. I don't get a lot of opportunities, you know? I gotta... You know what?

I'm gonna move it to 51. Cah! Just because of how he's acted here. All right, what were we putting on there, Joe? You were putting on... Final heaven. Final heaven, which we've played what? We played a very nice tape that came in that VH...

Not VHS. Yeah, like the Polly Big Case. The B, I love, you know. Jamie loves a Pauley case. It had lots of accoutrements, just to let you know. I believe there was a wax seal maybe involved. The first song that we played on episode 210 in September. Oh, yeah, I believe that was a project where I was like, this can't be pictures of them, right?

Yeah, and I was like, no, that's them. It was them. It was them. All right. Do we have a, do we have another mission for Matthew? Oh, I have one for him. Oh, you do? Yeah.

How many times do we play? Strategic Tape Reserve tapes this year. Can you figure that out somehow? Yeah, it looked like you talked about him twice. Only two times this year, huh? Pretty bad for the whole year. Sorry, I mean. Sorry.

That's not that great. Sorry. I get a lot of tapes. We're here now. Yeah, we're here now. You're here now. You're a guest. First guest.

Looks like three. Mentioned him three times. All right. All right. Three is pretty three is a good number. Anything juicy? See, so this is a label that maybe we overplay a little bit, strategic. Ooh.

Oh, shit. I'm sorry. Three times. So these three times are kind of like burned. Jimmy, did you get a screenshot of Amon's reaction? I've never seen someone in real time here, like something like that. We probably play too much. Is that what you're saying? I disagree.

I don't think we do. I don't think so either. I can think there's some labels. We love them. We love them. Oh, okay. See? Who said that?

Do you know who said we love them? Uh-oh. That could even even been a sample or something. You know, I can't. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's hard to say. It's hard to say.

It doesn't say like in Mike's voice. That would be huge for me. How many tapes did you put out this year, strategic tape preserve? I think it was like six. Oh, six. Yeah, and we played six seven. Fifty percent of the total. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Good number. Matthew, you've been quiet. What is, what are some tapes from you from the year that maybe you haven't really burned your ass? someone who's really listened to the episode you're like in the code you're like tron of tabs out you're the clipkeeper somebody you know what we've played

what have we what have we missed from this year I thought you were asking him what he liked yeah so what did we miss oh I see what you're saying it's exactly what I'm asking I just I just I put I jot it down a couple that that I like this year and one was um

Vedic Dread oh I have that I've been meaning to play that tape Unifactor tapes Unifactor Old school are right That's a good one So loud, sorry Unifactor

They've sent us Everything they put out this year It's in my queue It's, it always ends up In the queue I won't say like 11 tapes they put out That's skunk woo quartet

Jamie and I were listening To that earlier tonight actually Oh you guys were doing Some casual listening Some casual listening Yeah You had a listening party We were listening to Tompster 3 actually

In fact Oh what did you play the adventure? No we didn't have time But we were off the clock Just listening I do want to run Stone or two eventually. Leaking in the bag on the manufacturer.

Obscurest. Bishplease, which we played. We did play that. We got to put some of these on the list. Yeah. Bishblees definitely goes on the list. Where are we putting that? Well, put the Vedic dread one on there.

Oh, Matthew, where do you want the Vedic dread? Or do you want to roll the dice? Uh, I got a number. Oh, you got a number. Let me go 108. I thought someone chose 108. Oh, did they? We had a whole thing about how someone chose 101, I think.

He was busy in the, in the, I think he was, why don't you, can you just look up number, when we said number and see what number it is and we'll put it right there. And then we can do... I don't usually say number 13.

You just did. Well, usually, that's for next year that now we have that. Yeah, but he's going to find the unusual. He's not looking for what's usual. He's the clipkeeper.

He's a pervert for this stuff. He's a pervert for this stuff. Hey. Hey. I'm the pervert here. Okay. I'm sorry, Jay. He is.

He is. why don't you roll me roll me yeah yeah roll them okay why i'm rolling you look up every time jamie said discogs this year wow 44 roll it again no i'm just kidding i'm just kidding i'm kidding i'm kidding we got a lot of stuff to get through no that one doesn't count because jimmy has to play that every time okay you got to stop right there 182 182 that's good that's not bad how many guests are we haven't on seven and we have to get through 200 yeah but we're pacing ourselves pretty well so far. Okay, good. Yeah. Because I just realized I just messaged the next guest

but I didn't tell him his slot was in for another 20 minutes. And I'm just saying we need these guys to pick like 30 tapes each. I think we'll pick a few of the tapes. Oh, okay. If you can't name 30 tapes off the top of your head from 2025, you're a poser. I do think, Jamie, can you really quick write like some code

like some flash? Because I want to be able to, so the Vedic dread tape on Unifactor is 182. I want some sort of mathematical anomaly that puts every unifactor tape this year. Like, they're all like... Oh, like the Norelco constant? The Norelco constant where each one of these, I believe if I'm looking at my calculations here... How many are there?

Constants? Let's say the unifactor tapes from this year, let's say there's, like, let's say there's, there's 10 that are going to go in the list. That many? Okay, nine. There are nine that are going on the list. You see how he bullies me here? always says we're mean to him well matthew you had a couple others that you jotted down

yeah um this one's more i don't you guys don't play all that much punk i don't know but this the fuck that's what's to me we're punk uh i'm a punk 16 the tape's called marymy's a punk records i'm sorry i was talking over you i'm sorry i do it all the time say it again let him speak let him make don't say any and i won't listen i'll be quiet as a church mouse It's a Penn 16. Fine. The tape's called Magic Touch, and it's on Dead Broke Records. And who is this?

A friend of mine, John, he lives in Philly. We used to playing bands and stuff like that, but he does a lot of, he does like a bunch punk bands nowadays. Oh, so this is like your friend like, oh, mate. Oh, mate, I'll hear you in there with the damn show boys, mate. You want to get me punk rock band on the list. Oh, I got a fuck crap. It's called Penn 16, mate. It's a little bit of a punk rock band.

And you said he's from Philly? Yeah, he lives in Philly now. Okay, so that's like a West Philly accent I'm doing. Yeah, yeah. He might live South Philly. That's a little more posh. Me going out into Fishtown, bro. That's too far.

People from West Philly don't go to Fish Town. So we can't put this in like the, um, we have to put it somewhere that it kind of blends in. We need, what is the most kind of like obscure number? An obscure number out of 200. You look at one to 200. at which number are you kind of like just glossing over. $199? No, see, I don't think that because I think some people will start with the end of the list.

Oh. Are we looking for nine slots for Unifactor? Because I had ChatsyPT give me nine slots. And I know how much Mike loves chatchipT. That's not what I asked you to do. I asked you to write flash code. Put it at 123. 123.

You just ask me the numbers. No, no, no. That's an angel number, though. You're giving me angel numbers. 1114. 114. No one's looking for. I don't think is one, two, three, an angel number?

You're giving me angel numbers, Joe. Oh, okay. There's already at one, Tom, Stoner is 114. 126. 126? Yeah, that's kind of, no one gives up to fuck about that. It's a one and 200 chance.

Matthew, what was this tape again? I forget. I should have bought lottery tickets. Penn 16. 1016, Magic touch. Magic, do you got the tape again? Should have bought lottery tickets. Penn, 16.

1016, magic touch. Magic, do you got them. Magic touch. I said and sick And I'm hoping but I'm here My knuckles are white And I'm only thinking of dying Walking those lines

You're so in my mind In the back he's passing Motherfucking time We crashed the truck And we're mine You wanna know why Because it's not mine I'd rather see this great day

On the road, on the road, on the road Smash and broken Wooden's plain lights on highway 90s part Thank you. I think of the road of the road I'm going I'm the road up the road I think Amon's getting up he's ready to go to bed

I mean it's late there Amin what are you doing Amin give us No I'm just walking around you know Give us one more picture for the year. You can have one more pick for the year, something that's either, you can put it at number

198, you can either put one of your releases at one ninety-eight or someone else is at ninety-eight. What do you want to do? Wow. I'm going to put, um, what was it? There was a, it's, um, uh, on a, on Nicholas Langley's

third kind. third kind oh yes a british man yeah trium i don't know how to say it trium suru locom something like that you don't know how to say it that's true no do you know how to say it probably don't you know i'm loco jimmy you can do that it's like drum and bass it's really good drum and bass that wasn't me that was me i'm sorry oh you stop doing it too yeah so you're talking about on thurkine the trium wires Tripping, wire-tripping tape. Trium Circulorum. Now, Jamie, now you do it.

Trium Circularum. Yeah, I think it's Trium Circularum. Look at the artwork on this. I like the artwork. It's spooky, scary. It reminds me of, it's like, who was the artist that did kind of like rip-off puss head type stuff that was not rip-off, that was mean? Yeah.

The guy who was in Baroness, was in the band baroness? Oh, yeah. He's ripped off Pusshead. Yeah, he ripped off pretty bad. Everybody ripped off post head. Well, this is like a rip off of, not a ripoff. I don't know why I'm saying that. Why are you saying that?

This is very good. I feel like a fucking dick. This is very good. Somebody playing Mario Brothers on it. Okay, so you want to put this on there, huh? Third kind records. 98. Yeah.

Did this come down, did this come out this year? It did. Yeah, it did. And we're doing, yeah, you get it on 98. 98? You gave them that? Wow, yeah, that's. 98. This is great.

That was very, uh, just. Good wordplay, Jamie. Thanks. I was going to believe you. I thought he was reading that up in chat GPT. That was good. That was good wordplay. Matthew, look up every time we said, Jamie, you're so dumb.

That's going to be a lot. Just Jamie and overload his processor. Your mom, I'm overload. No, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Not now, Joe. All right, it's on there.

While he's doing that, we got any of guests coming up, Jamie? Well, like I said, we're a little bit of head of schedule, to be, believe it or not. That's all right. Well, if Aeman has to go, we can talk for a little bit. We can shoot the shit or we can play some tapes. I have some tapes that I'd like to talk about. Yeah. What tapes do you go if you want to talk about?

I think the new Bitch and Baja's record on the tape should be on. That should be, uh, me and Jamie just went and saw them the other night. I only stayed for three songs and I threw up in the bathroom and went home. And that was your plan from the beginning, right? Oh, that's how I'd do it now. He was talking to me earlier that night. He's like, Mike, I'm going to see bitch and Baha's. I only see a band for the first three songs and I throw up in the bathroom, miss most of the toilet, and then I leave.

I do like that you have, what is this, Jamie, what is this feedback I'm getting? I don't know. I do like that you have chosen to start throwing up in the bathroom. Well, yeah, because you were on this G.G. Allen thing for a while, and I think you were taking it a little bit too far. I was wearing my G.G. Allen shirt, too. You know, maybe that's what made you throw up. Does it come, like, with some sort of, like, chemical on the inside? No, because I didn't get it from Merrill. It's bootleg. Okay.

It's more of a red bubble thing It was a red bubble, yeah Yeah, I'm wondering now If you could have a persona Joe B That was kind of like A polite Gigi Allen Where we'll be out, we'll be out of show And you're like, I'm just going to go in the bathroom real quick

And like shove my hand up my ass and throw up And I throw the poop in the toilet You throw the shit in the toilet I'm nice That's nice I clean up afterwards too Speaking of shit 1-900 diarrhea

Was a tape that Jamie played this year What label was that on that put out the disgusting tapes When he got Jamie got into that for a little bit That was another thing from this year That Jamie got fucking disgusting With fecal stuff I don't want to I was gonna Google it

I don't want to Jane put it on private mode But I think we landed on That's gotta be the Tape 200 right Yeah just because I think 100 diarrhea I think that was a self-release But the other Gore tape that we played

Was on a label and I can't remember The name of that label Oh cool Yeah it's good good radio Yeah good stuff Good one, champ. But 200, we're definitely putting that 1-900 diarrhea in 200, right? Eamon, what's 2026 looking like?

There's, yeah, there's a few things lined up. Yeah, starting, starting. Nothing you can talk about yet. This seems very confidential. You know, you don't want to, you don't want to like... Let the cat out the back. Make promises that you can't follow through. Oh, okay, okay.

I cannot tell you it's confidential Is there going to be another installment of Dr. Peter J. Woods? Not that I'm aware of yet. He's got like a book version of learning to make noise that's like a big serious thing coming out. We got our next guest. Oh yeah? Who's here?

Mr. Larry Wish. You know what I'm going to bring him on in? I'm going to say adios. Bye, amen. Bye, amen. Thanks for having on. Thanks for having on. Thanks for having on. Thanks for having on. What the hell does that mean? Joe, B, I wish you would get yourself together.

Speaking a wish. What a transition. Mr. Larry Wish. Speaking of wish. Because he said I wish I would get my stuff together and then Larry Wishes here. Speaking of which. Yes, yes. Thanks for hanging out with me. Listen to this radio. He's in a real studio there. Oh, let me see. I'm like laughing. Well, it's like a closet. It's really, it's real small.

You look like like a YouTube. guy. I'm more of a Vimeo guy, but thank you. Oh, oh. I never, I never even look at Vimeo anymore. I didn't know Vimeo was still a thing. I don't think I've posted any like bumpy or Larry Wish stuff there because I haven't used the right like camera and I haven't used any actual film. Yeah, you seem like a streamer right now. Yeah, yeah, it's good. I like it. What games are you playing? Um, Kirby's Dreamland. Oh, okay. Yeah, I heard that's good. Earthworm Jim. Did that get repressed or is that the original? Repressed. I have like a really old Game Boy Color ROM

and emulator set up. Oh, nice. I don't play the repress as a video games when they come out with like Zelda on gold vinyl. No, thank you. I'll just play the original one. What system? I haven't played a video game in a really long time. Like when I was a kid, I loved all the like NES and like Super Nintendo stuff. I don't think I've played a video game since

like Halo at my friend's house in 2002 or something. Halo 1? I don't game at all. I'm a Halo 3 guy. Nice. I don't miss it. I love all that music, of course. Oh, just like that, yeah.

So what's up, Larry Wish? Hey, I have something complimentary to say to Larry Wish. For my family. That's the most recent thing. And where are you calling from? I'm calling from Minneapolis, Minnesota. Minnesota. I had something complimentary to say to Mr. Larry Wish here.

Oh, no. You... What? My ears. I'm a little loudness. I just want to say you uplift. my spirits. You have some positive content online

and you bring a spiral to my face when I see your content. Damn, thank you very much. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. What are you talking about, Jamie? What kind posts? Gosh, I don't remember. Whatever ones are up there. He posted something about how, you know, be

kind. Be kind to your neighbors. You know who used to do that was Blockbuster would tell people that. Yeah. Be kind to rewind. They don't, they didn't care about the neighbors, though. They just cared about their tapes. Yeah, they did. It's all about the rewinding.

You know. You got through your neighbors. Screw your neighbors was their parenthetical, I think. That's why they went under the blockbuster sign. Screw your neighbors. Some of them didn't. Fuck your neighbors. Be a man.

Matthew Wheelock, we gave you a mission. Didn't we? Did you come up with anything? We got 106 episodes where you said, you're so dumb. Jamie, specifically. Jamie, you're so dumb. 106 episodes. Is that just this year?

No, that was the total. That's bulk of the series. Oh, so before he was... So over... Is that exactly half? No, we're at 2.13. Almost half of the episodes ever that we've ever done.

We've mentioned... Jamie, you're so dumb. Yeah. That's really good. Can we get some... Can you read some... dramatic reading or anything? Most of them are just...

It's just... over and over you're so dumb you just don't get it keep going it's just over it hold on let me give you I'm going to feel so dumb I don't trust you you're so dumb I don't trust you keep going I want a few more you're so dumb

you're making us look so dumb so dumb Oh, so dumb, you suck Jamie, I'm so sorry It's all right, man, that's why I have a thick skin Yeah, yeah Nice punk rock patina I'm sorry, Jamie

Well, you could have an entire episode Just devoted to like that theme of like I don't know, of IQ or intelligence level If you wanted to have the dumb episode And actually I do, I am Matthew You need to make that clip now Okay of every time that we'd say

You're so dumb super cut? Yeah, I need like a nubendum I can't say that word. Nubendium. Nubendium style 20 minute long. We'll put it on Vimeo. Oh yeah, I do want to shout out.

Larry Wish has an account. Yeah, yeah. Anyone, what is the Instagram handle, Matthew? Tabs out archive. Add tabs out archives. Go there and watch the Nubbendium. I believe that's every time Joe B mentions nubs. It's not just, it's everybody.

Yeah, because you... Well, yeah, there's a good flashback that I laughed very hard. But it is your bread and butter. Nubs? Nubs. Larry, what's your favorite kind of nub? Are you familiar with nubs?

My favorite kind of nub is, one of the things that you stick on the end of a corn cob. No, no, tape nubs. In the Norelco case, your favorite style of tape nub. Yeah, it's a nub in, that's a different show. We'll call you for that. You got the...

You pop those in? You leave them in or do you pop them out, though? No, that's not a nub. Move the nubs. The nubs are the piece of plastic on the Nuroko case that holds the cassette in place. I just pulled one. This is some deep entomology. I just pulled a random tape off the shelf to show you a nub.

Nubless. Sometimes they're nubless. Sometimes they don't have nubs. But there's always circles where the nubs should be. This is just two little dots. It's kind of like... I must have seen it so many times, but... Let me just tell you...

I don't know if I've listened to one tape this year. Oh, are you serious? Didn't you put out of tape? You put out of tape this year. I don't know if I've listened. I might have listened to an ELO mixtape in the van. The electric light orchestra. You want to...

Dedicated tape listening. Well, Larry... Do you want to put that ELO mixtape on the top 200 list? Yeah. Okay, Larry wishes ELA mixtape. Where... ELO? What did I say ELA?

Some of the songs don't play anymore, and it'll automatically flip from side A to side B over and over again. Oh, that's a tape right there. Kind of like an A track. That's kind of cool. That's experimental stuff. I put some echo on that. It's experimental.

Okay, so where are we putting this mixtape? Can you cue the music. You want to roll the, you want to pick the number or? No, roll it. We're playing a game. The whole thing is a game. Okay, Jamie, hit the sound. Ooh, do I roll it again?

Come on. Why are you? So, anytime it's two digits, you're like, ooh. Okay, 80. 80. It landed at 80. Jesus Christ, man. Larry Wishes, E-L-O-Faulty mixtape.

Larry Wishes, Faulty. Feed-out giant claws, decadent stress changer. Eighty-one. It has to be at 81 now. Just put that now. I know that was going to be in the top ten. Yeah, Jamie was talking about Pete. Jamie said the new giant claw tape was his best tape ever.

Ever. Ever. He said, he called it, this is a, he said, is a very important tape for the year, but you're saying it's going to go one slot below your faulty ELO mixtape. Yeah, uh, please don't listen to me at all. Giant calls decadent stress chamber. No, it's up there.

We already did it. What's done is done. Yeah, okay. Anyway, take a look at some nubs. Like, you'll really fall down a rabbit hole. Okay, I'm going to Google or Bing. I might bing some nubs. Yeah, I would use a duck, dot, go, but.

Okay, nubs, they're a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Larry, this might be kind of embarrassing since you said, haven't listened any tapes this year but um what tapes has bumpy done this year uh yeah let's see well we did the we did the larry wish reissue we did the failed larry wish show pilot episode original soundtrack oh jamie and i were also listening to that earlier nice so that's a reissue that's a reissue from 2011 where do we stand on a reissue like that may i'm going to say no that that can't go on i'm sorry 2001

I'll look into it and what is that that was it's like a you're saying it's a sitcom theme it was a sitcom that a friend and I wrote back in like 2010 2011 it was kind of like we wanted to make a little bit

Pee Wee's Playhouse a little bit Twin Peaks really wacky silly but also like uncomfortable and sort of not fun to watch at moments so we tried to make a good marriage of that at you know whatever 19 years old 20 years old, whatever we were.

It's not very good, but the idea of this being back into the world. The idea of this being a pilot theme song, or not theme song, but soundtrack, that's a real thing. You really did write the show?

Yeah, that's actually up on that's not up on Vimeo, but it is up on YouTube. You can I don't have that. I don't have that. I don't have that. It's on the YouTube, it's on the YouTube's it's on the Larry Wish channel. It's on the bumpy channel um i got a sitcom i got a sitcom related joke you want to hear it yeah yeah joe don't say anything because i told you i know i i already know what joke is okay okay you know how jerry seinfeld he

really likes comedians and cars getting coffee he really likes these driving these cars yeah you know where he likes to drive them where elaine yeah he likes cars a lot but he even like songs about hold on i'm not done i'm not done i'm not done he even like songs about cars You know who Bates does his favorite one? Newman. Okay, yeah, that one was too obvious, so I'm not going to do, that one's actually going to get cut.

That one wasn't funny. And you didn't work that material out on me. I would have told you, don't end with that and punch Newman up harder. I came up, punch... You think I should have punched the Newman one up a bit? I'm sorry. But the Elaine one's pretty good, though, right?

And you should have done it in more like a Leno. Can you look up, Matthew, can you look up any time we mentioned any of the late-night stars, a Leno? Carson Or wait, what am we doing Jamie with discogs?

Oh yeah. I got eight episodes with that. Only eight. 2025. Oh, 2025. Oh,

2025. All right, hold on. Let's hear a few of them. You know what? I already extended that. Oh, do you don't have

multiple windows up on your three monitors? Oh, so, Larry, remember when we called you and we prank called Sweetwater? Yes.

That was funny. earlier today and I was wondering if you were going to do it again but I kind of assumed that you wouldn't just do we don't do bits twice we don't do we don't repeat bits I'm sorry you don't want to

call them again about like a wind up clown toy just see if they remember if you get the exact same person we probably would yeah probably like Bonzo a guy named Bonzo Bonso Allen Sweetwater

that's just one guy in an empty office so what are you doing for 2026 are you are is bombie still going to be a thing yeah certainly there's there's like a one release per month so far so busy schedule busy um i'm trying to get the state of minnesota to to fund it so i've been applying for grants oh really fun game oh that's fun you probably don't get any but um it feels good to try at least yeah get your name out there let the people decide it'd be really nice if if i could get like 20K to fund bumpy

records. Yeah, the taxpayers would love that. Yeah. I've told all of them, they're on board. Yeah, yeah. You've told all of them. If you want to send them a link to this for their consideration, yeah. For the campaign. Yeah. For the campaign. No, you should really give me 20K. Just listen to this guy say you're so dumb. 500 times over the course of 45 minutes.

It was going to love it. But we did say it, I think, multiple times. you got that discogs page back up matthew we got drongo in the waiting room lennel and leno you got what David letterman and j leno all right give me the letterman let's hear that

um one says but they're 2013 oh that's all right no I like old stuff oh the David letterman thing that's good David letterman or those are your drums

and then this must have been a tape that's David Letterman on the cover there I remember that one I don't remember that one Oh you don't remember that one It was a good one I don't know if it made it to the list Sounds like we have somebody in the waiting room

We do we have drongo But I think I need to start a new Google meet In the spirit of these Google meetings We don't have the paid version So should Larry Wish give a couple more tapes for the list Larry Wish do you want to add to this top 200 list You don't listen to any tapes this year But maybe something you listen to on Band Camp

oh my gosh yeah let's do the Astrid Hubbard Flynn and Aros Evie I think that's on our list already I thought we're doing the list yeah that one was all a flutter slash soft gna

and let's say the May and the Ladies Inheritance tape those were just two other bumpy records tapes from this year well I thought you to be honest

I think you're going to pick somebody else's no no he can pick his I can't think of anything else right now Claude, 81, and he's picking his own tapes. And I call them a nice guy. All right, well, we're throwing that Astrid, a Hubbard tape.

That's from this year, you're saying, right? Yeah, that's from this year. Yeah, Astrid, Hubbard Flynn, and Eros EV. Putting that at 131. Good number. Good number, right? I love that number. Okay, good. That's where it is. We're going to be able to be. We're going to be. We're going to be.

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are back. We are here. Who is this? We have somebody here in their car. Hi. It's Elliot. I know Drongo. Are you currently driving right now? Yeah. I might only be on for a few minutes, but I thought it was nice of you to ask me. Where are you going? I am going to pick up my drummer and we're going to record some stuff in Olympia. Oh, Washington? Olympia, Washington. I'm driving there from Seattle, Washington.

Good city. Good city. Is it wet? It's not that wet right now. It has been wet a lot up here the past couple weeks, but right now it's not as wet. Good, good, good. Good content. It's wet here right now.

It's wet here. Cold wet, though. Damn. Snow. Damn, dog. So I can hear that. So do you feel safe doing all this? because, like, you know, we're going to be, like,

getting into this, like, list that we're making and we're going to need you, like, full attention. Can you drive? Yeah, can you pull over or something? Sorry. No, he's got to get the band practice. Come on. Is there a way we can swat drongo why they're driving?

Try and fucking catch me. And get a fucking cop to pull up, and you ever been pulled over, and why are you driving? I have been pulled over for, speeding. How fast you've gone right now? Go a little bit faster. I'm not speeding anymore. Go a little bit faster. It's dry. It's just a traffic infraction. Yes, iron wet. Well, you know

what? I would love to talk you out. I am so good with talking people out of traffic tickets. It's kind of a Cosby gumbo. Like, cops love me. Matthew, what have we played from Drongo this year? Take a look. Give me a, give me. Yeah. Oh, we got a, what's that cute little animal?

That's the Drongo logo. Oh, it's the Drongo logo. All right, good. I like it. I hear a little echo, Mike. I think that's because they're driving in a car. Oh, and the reverberations? I think the whole, it doesn't sound like a great car. It sounds like... Oh, what do you drive in these days?

Hold, let me listen real quick. It's a Subaru app back. Oh, what year? It's a Subaru because I live in Seattle. What's a year? What are we talking? 2017. Oh, all right, all right.

Sounds like the fan belt might need to be replaced. Might need to get a tune up. I would replace that cabin filter. Or you could record it, put it out one of these goddamn tapes people do that kind of shit i'll let them know the tabs out guys told me to look at that take it to my guy i'll give you his name and number okay you'll hook you up um so drongo what has happened on drongo this year this is elliott by the way you don't have to keep calling him drongo i did remember i know it's elli but i like i like just called him drongo i couldn't remember

so i was going to say drongo the whole time it says drongo on the square on the screen so i was just going with drongo well i had eliot in my cheat sheet sheet i have a little I told Jamie I was going to write down all the names in the beginning, and I didn't. So tell us about Drongo this year. I think a couple of my band Friends of the Road. Oh, my God, how apropos with you being in a car right now. You must love it. And you're with your friends.

But, yeah, I'm propo. We just did a split with Watershrews. I can't remember if the last Water Shrews tape was this year or last. Well, I can tell you the Spawn tape was from this year. Sorry? Spawn. spawn tape was that from this year that was from this year yeah Todd McFarlane yeah they're good they're not a band anymore unfortunately they're one and done there was also being alone

yeah why is it why is it like a Jamie's will you ask being alone will you ask why it's in a baby voice like that but do it in a baby voice and also say you your diapers and drop your diaper how weird how we it why is it being alone on the list why I don't know and also it's on This is wrong with your diaper. Something's wrong in my diaper. I went boom, boom. I was too embarrassed to ask because I thought the album was good, but I didn't want to make them feel self-conscious.

The free water shoes ensemble tape is also for this year. I don't like the baby boys. No, I hate it. Why are we doing it all the time? Just so you guys know, we have James from Orb tapes in the waiting room. Oh. Should we bring them in or should we make them sweat a little bit? Make them sweat out a little bit.

And there's also this swing set. Elliot can't... Drongo can't say on long anyway. Oh, that's true. That's true. Elliot can't say. Elliot. Elliot.

You ever seen... No, it's Elliot. I was stoked on the Being Alone album. The first one we did was like pretty early on. It was in like my first year or two. Kyle from Drows connected me with Taylor, who does Being Alone. And I really like that first album. I kind of was not expecting to ever get a second one because I just hadn't heard much for a long.

time so if you had to pick i just listed four drongo tapes from this year you got to pick one of them to go on the list which which one do you want to pick i'm picking my own tapes to go on the list yes oh my god oh my god that's a real alpha move and let me know let me let you know right now it's going to go at 154 okay what do you where what do we put at 154 uh this a lot of hmm maybe the The Free Water Shrew Ensemble tape. The Drongo 77. You didn't mention it, but I like that one. I mentioned it in Portland.

I mentioned it in the baby voice. You did? Yeah, that was one of the things I did in the baby voice. I'm sorry. I tune it out too. He does it all the time. I thought you like that. He calls me like that.

Hi, Joe. Hi, no. I can't even do the baby voice. It's not that you can't do it. You won't do it. I've been training Joe on baby voice. He just won't do it. um i would like matthew to actually look up whenever we say whenever like joby says i hate this or

i hate that i don't like that yeah because like we've been talking we've been so positive this episode which i like let's get into negative stuff let's get into some negative stuff when did you say we didn't like stuff hate okay and why before we make that pivot elliott what is the tape that you didn't not hate just say i don't like that i don't like that yeah i'm making a tape that i really don't like right now. I've also do like, just like tape orders that people just pay me for. I make the tapes. I don't release them on the label. I'm doing a really

shitty one. Wait, you release on your own label? No, I'm not releasing it on my label. I do orders that's like people will just pay me to dub tapes and print them out and shit. It's not coming out on the label, but it sucks. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah. And you want to say what it is? It's just like

for non-blondes? They were pretty good. They're back, huh? It's just like, for non-blondes. And they're back. young men or young which I didn't think existed anymore in 2025

oh no it's back regular indie rock bands and they're from I'm now I feel I like being a hater they're called charity kiss charity kiss

we can bleep it out if you want to yeah I like it out if you I'll let it be you can you can choose do you want to do you want to put it on the list

but like in like how would you no we already we don't need that on the list Okay. Don't make it Google searchable, but if they want to listen, if Charity Kids wants to listen to like whatever the fucking two or three hours of your list is and hear that. Sorry, guys. No, that's all right. That's all right. That's all right. What is one tape that you aren't involved with? You didn't put out. You're not on it. It's not nepotism. That really slapped your hide this year. That really slapped your hide. Yeah, I'm trying to get that going. That really slapped your hide. That's just slapped your hide. I thought we were being haters. but we went off that peace and love

peace and love yeah a tape from this year that you're not involved with that you want to shout out that you liked yeah yeah what did I oh uh I

I think it was earlier this year Will De Lee is really cool guitarist from Portland coming out he did a couple tapes on Bud my friend Emmett's label

from Portland who Emmett does water shrews their label is great too um Will Deley is like a crazy fingerstyle guitarist. Oh, I like that stuff.

He's like been apparently like just like a couch living room player for a long time and like just started playing gigs and shit and he's just I don't want to give too much of the list away but Bud Taps does have Christina Carter like a bayou to its golf

which will be I won't say where it'll be appearing very very high on the list or very low in the list which one's good it'll be a little on the list which one's good. It'll be a little low number. It'll be a low number.

It's a good tape. That was a good tape. Yeah, Bud is awesome. Bud tape. And so, Ellie, we'll let you go so you don't, like, crash your vehicle or get some sort of infraction. Thank you. But if you do get pulled over at any point, will you call this back and just let me chat with the cop and get you out of this one?

Sure. Hell yeah. There's a cop right in front of me. What the fuck is that? What the fuck was that? That was me. Oh. I'm a being alone.

It's Jamie doing this baby voice again. Oh, and a pivot now. I see someone else in the room. Who do we got? Who do we got here, Jamie? We have here James from Orb Tapes. We've never met him in person before. Oh, James.

Hello. What label is it? Orb. Oh, don't do the boo. Jamie was telling me earlier that we apparently did some bit like a year ago, where every time we mentioned Orb Tapes, I would do that. Oh, I think we played that.

That's right. Keep it coming. No, we're not here. Any press is good press. Yeah, exactly. We're talking about it. What's this guy's name, Jamie, Jesus. James.

My same name is my name's sake. That's what confused me because you're also James. Well, he's the only one we're mad at him. James from Orb, what's going on? Not much. How are you guys doing? Nothing. We're doing nothing.

We're just sitting here, chatting about tapes, chatting about making a list of the best tapes from the year. Cool. How far through it are you? Are you announcing them right now or? We're placing certain ones. We're so fucking far behind. We're so far behind.

And Jamie's been breathing down our necks because he wants us to get this done. He's been breathing down our necks but doing it with a baby voice. He's been saying like, take the wish. We're doing a rare nighttime episode too. So you can help us with this. What did Orb Taifs put out this year? what did we put out this year um

everyone's on the spot nobody knows no one knows everyone's on the spot you ask some people to do a tape label to come on your year end tape label podcast and then when you say yeah but was the email even phrased like that or james oh there was no email

oh this was a uh a DM a DM you want to be on the show yep but you would figure you would say okay let me do some prep work I'm going to figure out what tapes I put out this year now we're going in blind go that's fine okay if you had to The last one we did was a hip-hop mixtape from a buddy of mine named Nigel.

His project's called GMH, which stands for Grandmaster Hash. Oh, Grandmaster Hatch. He does a lot of, he does noise stuff too, but he also does hip-hop production. So the last tape was like a beat tape. We did a couple noise releases. We did some, I did a dungeon synth tape a couple months ago for a local guy around me, which is Harrisburg area in PA. We did an Emil Bolio re-release.

There you go. We played that one. Oh, cool. Right on. Was that the recycled one? Yeah. That was the recycled. It was a recycle tape prank.

Right. Because it was a copy of the cover. I'm trying to play this GMH in the background, but it's too distracting. So Ron sent me just a J card with the colored duct tape on the front. He said, I want this to be the cover. But it's not, you know, technically in the recycled series because that's just stuff on his label so it's just like a mock recycled look to it yeah it's like all he knows at this point i would guess right his graphic design skills as far as they go it's like you've got like an old

dog and it kind of like what are you going to do like do a new one now sparky like do a flip and it's like i can do the sit down i can do the pa i could do the paul that's all i got he's like yeah you can do the blue duct tape i could do the green duct tape yeah and rrr invested heavily in colored duct tape years ago. And I'm assuming they need to just kind of go through it. Yeah, they cornered the market on it, I think. I'm really digging the artwork for this GMH tape. The cover

on the J-Card art is incredible. These little doodle. Yeah, Nigel did that, I think himself. I don't know if it's digital or like freehand. He'd do that freehand. Graffiti looking kind of style. Yeah, you're hitting, I feel like Joe B, a lot of your buttons are getting pushed with this

or dungeon sin. I know. What was the dungeon synth release? it's a project called Castellar it's just his first it's like a demo the one old English hasn't been doing this project very long but it's a guy named Travis Fisher who lives in I think he's in York PA oh that's not far from us he plays in like a couple metal bands in the area but this is his you know solo side project kind of thing I wonder if he plays loud we can get him play final Friday do you know where James lives

Harris what's that Harrisburg oh how do you know that because he said it oh he said it oh sorry I wasn't listening because I'm listening to the guest. Whatever, whatever. James. That's it. Or Jamie, if you're mad at me. Yeah, when I'm at you, I say, Jamie?

Yeah, that's what we do too. When we're mad, it's always a Jamie. Yeah. So what's one of your tapes? I think the only one that we've played this year, you used to send us all your tapes. You haven't. Well, every time we boo, I'm just going to say it's because of the tariffs and move on. Yeah.

And like, don't say, no, that's not what is. Stuff about state lines. Yes. You wouldn't get it. I work in Pennsylvania that I can meet you. halfway. I can meet you at a rest op at a on a blue route. Oh, a rudders. Oh, a rudders. All right. Yeah, how close were you to rudders? You can meet them. I can be a rudders in fucking 15 minutes. Well, the clan quartets crank sturgeon tape, I think has to go on the list.

That was from this year, right? Some heavy, heavy hitters. Yeah, I think that was the first one from this year. Who put these two together? I did. Yeah, I think they know each other, though. I don't know if they've ever split together, but I'm pretty sure those guys know each other. Well, they would have to know each other. They would have to know each other, two noise veterans. Yeah. who definitely have two two people who when they go to play a noise show have to like um bring a lot of stuff a lot of like uh you know there's there's a there's a there's costumeage hmm there's lots of different drums and paper machet rubber chickens is that like did that vibe is that what brought made in your mind connected the two artists prank sent me a bunch of stuff kind of at the

beginning of the year with the purpose of using them for splits and scotty also sent me something with the purpose of a split um there wasn't you know i didn't have a long-term plan of um pairing those two guys on a split but it just kind of came together um and the the clang the clang side of that is way unlike a lot of scottie's stuff it's like kind of in blackened industrial type stuff it's not like noise or drum you know centric like a lot of his stuff. stuff is. So a little bit of a different direction for Scotty's side on that. But yeah, it wasn't

super planned out in advance. It just kind of fell together because I had material from both of those guys. Matthew, can you look up usage of the word orb and balls? Balls. Yeah, two separate searches. Two separate.

I had a good one for, what was my last one, when Joe B said I don't like that. Oh, yeah, keep forgetting that we give you these. All right, hold on. Go ahead. It was in July when Trump dropped an F-bomb on TV. Oh, yeah, I don't like that. I don't like it when President's Work Blue.

Do you have any more? No, that was it. That's good. That's fine. That was a good one. Topical. It is topical. I think about almost daily. James, where on the list? Wait, are you mad at Jamie right now? I look right in the eyes.

Don't make me. Where are we putting this on the list? One to 200. Where are we putting the Crank Sturgeon? Clang Quartet. That goes at one, right? We already have some... Wow, it's so bold.

That was a very bold. We might have to do that from a technicality. No, because I already have something in one. You want to try again? I'm assuming now this kind of attitude, you're going to say two. How about 99? 99. Oh, I think that's very appropriate.

Angel number. We're going to put that right. right there, right behind the trium that we couldn't say. It's the one on third kind of records. We all could say it. Well, me and Jamie can say. Now, it's true. But it's still a third of us. That's still a large percentage.

Is there a tape from this year you weren't involved with that you want to shout out? Are you talking to me again? Yeah. Jamie? God damn it, Jimmy. We're fucking talking to you, Jamie. Do not hear me. Tape that I want to shout out that I wasn't

a part of. And we'll also roll to put it on the list. dang might have to come back to me in a minute all right all right he thinks he's going to be here for a whole ass minute all right I forget did we give Matthew a job to do it was butt and no it was orb and balls we got anything Matthew no I didn't get anything with that

I have a feeling his computer's not on on you're giving him bad things to search for you give him a good one I did I get him a whole bunch give him one more one more right now yeah you have to come back diaper Diper. Will you please do diaper, Matthew? Yep. Yep.

Jamie again with the baby stuff. I can't figure it out. So, OrpTapes, what's going on next year? You putting out any tapes? And do you not hear it? Yeah, I told you about earlier. Yeah, it'll be a little bit of a slower year next year, I think. The next one we're doing is going to be in January. It's a project called Leaves. It's like an ambient project. Oh, yeah.

Nate Wagner. You guys may have played some of his stuff, I think. Yeah, we played something on timble tapes from Leaves. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, that's a great release, actually. Was that this year? No, a long time ago. I just remember that album has a very good name.

It's like, I really love this beard. It's something about his beard. You guys remember that? It's like, I'm glad I grew it. I feel like they release things in such an ad hoc fashion, though, but all their stuff they put out is wonderful. And then we have this project called Mountain of Woe, which is kind of,

kind of shoegasy sun type stuff, like really maximal guitar wall of sound type stuff. We're going to do another hip-hop tape from a buddy of my name Jordan, who's hip-hop moniker is Crown of Horns. I did one of his tapes like two years ago, something like that. This doesn't sound like a slow year at all.

This sounds very busy. Well, that's like half of the year worth and releases right there. So just I'll probably do you know a couple fewer than I've been doing in recent years but that hip-hop tape is also going to be produced by Nigel the guy who put out that GMH that I just did and then there's like a kind of secret side project hardcore tape that is going to come together at some point next year secret yeah it's from one of my noise friends is doing a kind of like New York

York hardcore style tape. Fuck yeah. So we'll see. It's very nebulous as of yet. I've agreed to it. Explain that a little bit more. Explain that concept a little further. I think it's just a one-person thing.

They're recording guitar, drums, and vocals and programming drums. See, I want to see more of that in 2006. One-person hardcore bands. Like one-man black metal bands, but it's one-man old-school hardcore. Yeah. I'd love to see that as a genre. The gang vocals alone. And then like fests where it's like

just one guy up there in a basketball jersey with the gloves on but it's just over a backing track. Yeah, and you have... A backing track with all of the instruments. With all of the instruments. Yeah, on tape. It's on tape. You play the tape. Even the like sing-along parts

like where people, yeah, yeah. The crowd chant parts are all pre-recorded. Send me some demos. That sounds cool. So we'll see. I don't think it's to be translated live but I don't know if they have plans to get people to play the other parts I don't know

all right well we'll ask you one final time you had a moment to think it over of a tape that you weren't involved with in the spirit of giving of just thinking of others can you think of any tape from this year at all that you weren't involved with yeah how about the

the DJ Haram tape which I guess was also released on other formats but the tape that came out on hyperdive early, I think like in the summer, called, beside myself, I think it's called. It's the newest DJ Haram release. It's really awesome.

You want to put that on the list? I don't know DJ Haram. I don't know DJ Haram. I don't know DJ Haram. Dot com. DJ Haram is one half of 700 Bliss, if you've ever heard of them. It's a duo with her and more mother.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I've seen more mother from Philadelphia, right? Yeah, from Philly. Yeah. I think DJ Haram is also in Philly. You know what? Now that you say that, I know that name has been on flyers that I've seen now

I know them too all right yeah yeah we all know now all right well should we Jamie should we roll for this tape to go on the list yeah definitely hit me with that hit me with that clip Ben yeah

hell yeah DJ Haram 172 on the list there you go all right I'm gonna put that on there right now James or tapes hell of a label wait is that the right is that the right Is that the right warp tapes?

That's it. No, no. We love you. We love you. We joke. We joke. Come to Delaware sometime. You're so close.

I am close. I will come to Delaware. Jamie just invited you to his house, I suppose. No, not my house. All right, Ben. Thanks for talking. Matthew, before we move on to our next guest, did you find any good diaper stuff? Yeah, there's a great one from October.

Um, and I think I had actually, it's on my to do list to make a clip about Jamie and K.O. Dot. There's some talk about being in a diaper. Okay. So I still have to do that. And we have, Jamie, we have someone else here. Another person has joined us. This is somebody that we've met recently. This is, uh, Ben Dumbled from FM Oral.

Oh, hey, Ben Dumbled. And I'm going to say FMORL because that's how you announced yourself at the show, because I think you didn't want to embarrass Jerome Parker Wells. Did anyone I wouldn't point out Does anyone notice Ben we'll get to you in a second Warb tapes is still here

They just turned their camera off Yeah there's a little Some illicit Warriorism I can boot him Oh no don't boot him I like being watched Let him watch

I like me I get off on it Ooh I'm a jazzed Oh man Ben How's it going tonight I got to pee real quick But you continue on

I was just going to say Jobie's going to ask you if it's wet there, wherever you are. It's cold and wet there, for sure. Yeah, you're Pittsburgh, very wet. Pittsburgh, a little lake effect. You come over here to, you come over here to help us with our list? Did I?

Is that, can you? Sure, I'll come over. Well, you don't have to cover. You can stay there. It's wet here. You got to get on I-76 in the ice. Yeah, it depends on how wet it is over there. Wait, Jamie's got Google Maps open, let him finish the directions all the way there.

Well, there's multiple ways you can go. You can take the Maryland route, too. I've done that for Route 40. Take it through Cumberland and all that, yeah. Yeah, I've been that. It's a nice route. And it's cheaper than the turn. The P.A. Turnpike, yeah.

PennDOT. Don't get me started on PennDot. No, good start. Go ahead. That's all we could talk about if you want. No, when I was a kid, my dad, when we were driving through Pennsylvania, he'd always complain about Pennsylvania Department of Transportation. PennDOT.

The signs are all bad. They have the turn sign, like almost. after your turn pen dot that was his sarcastic and you know what um i grew up like five minutes from pennsy and my parents call pennsy and i've never heard anybody call it pensie no i never they're like oh they live on the pensie side speaking of which matthew can you look up jamie's mom the usage of jamie's mom just when you get it just like kind of put your finger up and got a wave my mom is such a sweet lady you guys have no idea i'll meet her one day that would be a nice treat for when Joe B comes back in.

So yeah, Ben, you got to help us out. Oh, I also what Joe B is gone. You just release a tape for him and X-Tabs out or Dave, a sedan tape, correct? Yeah. I didn't know if I should mention that. If it's like an epitism or something on the show. We won't. It's not available for the list. Right.

We can't go on that. But... It's a phenomenal tape. I was glad to work on it. It's like a minimalist, maximalist. It's like minimalism and maximalism. same time it's a cool design I love it I'm it's getting it's getting some play here in Pittsburgh I've given it out and I've also sold it nice and Joe's just came back in the room just in time for that compliment we're not gonna tell them that you said that about all right Joe get your headphones back on and Matthew's got

Matthew's back with a little bit of its project what are we doing orange milk Matthew what did you find we got two good ones I think so I remember I just did a clip about this one from the last episode If anyone didn't hear it, bone or death. That's what they called Jamie's mom in high school. Yeah, when she'd come downstairs. But I also saw this one from earlier in 2025. I'll give you the little snippet.

It says, I was going to say, I'm like Jamie's mom on the weekends. I see a lot of packages. That's a good one. That's a good one. That should be on the list. so I missed what did I miss when I was in the bathroom sorry Jamie oh nothing nothing all right so Ben what did you put out this year what are your chops besides the sedan tape we didn't loaner tape shit I could have been calling sedan his whole time yeah they used to be sedan

I think I said sedan to him and he didn't flinch now you know what you're talking about because sometimes you can have for your loaner car you can have it be a sedan all right all right yeah Fair enough. Besides that tape, that's the latest tape this year. I think I'm done this year. I think that'll be the last one for 2025. But what else did you put out this year? What came out?

What was on the roster? I put out about six or seven releases, some of which are CDs, which maybe I shouldn't mention. Yeah, we don't talk about those. Put out the second, I'm doing a trio of Rob Collier reporting, his compositions. The first one came out earlier in the year. year I think just piano very beautiful minimal stuff the second one was piano and ambience and then creative mixing release the third one which is all synthesizer so I was excited first kind of trilogy I've ever released two of those last year

what else did I do African Ghost Valley tape a Dow I work with Dow a lot cool drone musician this is the second release under Dow third release with the musician behind it. And of course, the big one was the double Jerome Parker Wells tape, the double album. Yeah, that was a killer. What was that called? Total vortex.

Total vortex. That tape was very good. We need to list that tape right now. Yeah, list that tape right now. We're rolling it, or we're going to let Ben pick a number. No, Ben can pick a number. Ben, you want to pick a number to place that on the top 200 list? Oh, man.

Jamie, you only play that when we're rolling it. Jamie, you only play it when we're rolling it. God damn it. You put me in a position if I place it really high, everyone think I'm arrogant, but if I place it really low, Jerome will get mad at me. So then that's why you have to find the per...

This is how I treat, like, my family. Like, I put them through these kind of like, do you love me tests? Mind games. And you have to do it perfectly. You have to do this perfectly. It's a jenga tower of emotions right now. which you can make a Jengat Tower

out of cassette tapes which we should do sometime that'd be fun I'd love to do that I love games you might break some Narekos but that's okay I got a ton of extras

you gotta break some Norekos to make an omelet that's what they say that's it's a double tape so I'll put it in the top 100 because that warrants it being the top of 100 yes I like how you like yeah

you give it a little preface there of like well it's a double tape so it's got to go it's two of them there's two of them in there so it's like when you break and double the work speaking of the word we speaking of eggs

we were talking about eggs Breaking an omelet. Or breaking it in the Noralco case to make an omelet. Matthew, could you live up eggs, please? It's like a double cassette. It's like when you crack a shell and the two yolks come out. Oh, I love that. You got to put that egg.

Or the little chicken embryo. Or a whole chicken. What's the craziest thing you've ever found in an egg? You crack open an egg. What's the craziest thing you've ever found in there? You know what I found in one? Yo-yo. A yo-yo.

A yo-yo. A yo-yo. I got an egg. It was like, it was blue. came out of a machine with the quarter thing. I went to fry it up. All right. I'll see what you're doing.

I went to fry it up and there was a yo-yo in there. A yo-yo. Yeah. So where are we putting this? It's in, we know it's in the top 100. Let's say 38. Holy shit. Yeah.

Hell yeah. I'm fine with that. It's way higher than Giant Claw, so. That was an old miss app. We'll have to think about that later. Matthew, I'm waiting for the sign when you come up with something for eggs. let's see this is what last episode someone said I like scotch eggs oh Jamie did well I think I said it but Jamie was talking about yeah I had a scotch egg in England

in England when Jamie was over the pond when he was doing only blokes but I've had him here before too I'm a bit of a cultured person I've had it at the Renaissance Fair I had one at the whip you ever been to the whip I've never been to the whip yeah it's a good British pub in Pennsylvania oh all right in on the Pensieside oh on the Pensies side oh on the Pensies, actually. Anybody want to give Matthew another mission? Jamie, give them a mission. Oh, thinking of words.

Do a fun one. Ben, do you want to give Matthew a word or phrase to look up from this year of Tabs Out? Oh, my God. Not really. Not really. Not really. Not really. Thank you.

Not really. Thank you. And nice try trying to not play the game. And we made you play the game anyway. I did good at the rate your tape game. I can't do great at all the games. You want to try to rate another one of your tapes? Sure, but which one?

I did this earlier to someone, and I'd like to do it now. Would you like to put another one of your cassette tapes on the list? Not really. Not really. At what number, right? Not really. You can put one of your tapes at 123 or someone else is a friend's tape at 88. I'll put a friend's tape.

Oh, right. And very kind of you. I'm telling Jamie, when he contacts. me. I've spent the year looking, because I'm new to Pittsburgh, so I spent the year kind of digging in the Pittsburgh scene. Who should I put as a friend? I'm going to put this. So my friend, does de Mona, runs a tape label called TSSHN. It's like a militant trans kind of label. Okay. Out of Pittsburgh. And, oh, shit, this is a 2024 tape.

That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. We'll put it on that all right. Yeah. There's the tape, uh, static wound from T. S-H-N, Static Wound is my friend Shea, amazing bass player. This is kind of a noise tape, but it also has a lot of like droney-based stuff in it. So I'm going to put that at wherever you said, 30. 88, 88, 38, hold on, hold your horses, 38.

He tried to, everyone starts to do that. Everyone is like, oh, no, I don't want to put it too low. And it's like, okay, we're going to put it at 124. All right, 118, that's fine. you can't do that so you said the name is static wound static wound

the tape is her flesh yeah now let me say it's not that one no this is a double CD so it's not that one there's something here that's live it's not it's a digital track

what's it called again uh static wound no that's the name of the project what's the name of that one it's my flesh her flesh her flesh you were right it did come out in 2020 and 2020 but late

2024. It was November. Yeah. Basically. I bought it in 2025. So. Yeah. My heart was already

in 2025 in November 2020. Oh, yeah. I left 2004 behind. I'm going to say, I think we'll put a little note that you... He gave us the thing. That you bought it in 2025

so it counts. Yeah. Okay. The static wound tape. Matthew, you have something for us. We're not really. Let's see. I think this was

this was September. someone said you don't know Batman not really Jamie wasn't allowed to read comics as a kid why is it that we're always just no matter what we look up is something about Jamie not knowing or not being allowed or being stupid oh he's texting someone Jamie's giving up on the podcast it's all right sometimes you got to take care of business

Ben what's going on next year what are you doing what you got in the pipe What are you smacking the hide with? Yeah, you mentioned something. Rob Collar tape. Yes. I'm doing a, I'm really excited about this. I'm putting together a percussion music comp.

It's going to be called Rust Belt percussion. Oh, I've been seeing post about that. Yeah, I'm trying to get as many percussionists from the Rust Belt to submit their shit. And it's going to be a comp, hopefully a double album. Submit their shit. And those are the two big things that are coming up. And then I'll figure it out the rest of the year. And what do you think is going to be the major change in cassette tapes next year?

I think they're going to get a little bit bigger. Like, the size of the shell is going to get chunkier. I'd like to see, like, a tape and vinyl, I don't know, something where vinyl is some, some, the album and a tape is something else that's supplementary to it. That might be cool. And what? People are supposed to think that, like, they're getting tricked? Is they're supposed to think it's the same thing, but it's different? Maybe they'll be cruel and, like, you have to have a tape.

player and a record player and you got to play them both at the same time to get the full effect. Oh, I like that. Like two people turn, they got the keys to launch the nuclear missiles. Yeah, you get turn them at the same time. It's just half the album, half the song. Well, that sounds fun. One should be recorded in the left channel and the other should be in right so you can only listen to it in stereo

when you play them both at the same time. You're getting way too conceptual. Oh, I thought he was a conceptual label. I thought he was into high concept stuff. Sorry, I guess my stuff's too highbrow. You called you high concept. Matthew, will you look up high concept when we said high concept?

I don't think we've ever said that. I don't think we ever said. Maybe I like academia to search. Or academia. Academia. Academia. Yeah, something along those lines. All right.

Well, Ben, thank you for hanging out. Thank you for helping us with the list. And thank you for putting the loan art tape out this year. Sedan. Yes. We discussed that a little before. When I was in the bathroom? When you were in the bathroom.

God damn it. I missed it. You were gone. You were gone. Ben has a hard time giving people compliments to their face. That's fine. It's something's working. I'll listen back.

I need a drink of water. I'll be right back. Oh, Mike's going to get a drink of water. Anybody else need anything? No, we're good. Matthew? Nope, I'm good. Good.

Ben? I'm good. You're good. Okay. Should we announce our next guest without Mike here? Yeah. We have in the room, Marsha Fisher. Marsha, how you doing?

How are you doing? I'm doing good. How are y'all? We're good. We're great, actually. Marsha, remind us where you are located once more. I'm in the Twin Cities. Oh.

we had Larry Wish on earlier Oh nice Do you know Larry Wish Yeah I see him at shows all the time Oh right on He has a Vimeo account If you want to check it out

Hasn't put anything on it in a while We talked about it Oh that's great Me and Jamie don't know how to do the show by herself This is like when it's just George and Elaine And they don't know how to talk to each other Yeah I talk to you all the time though Jamie

All right so you come from the Twinsies What label Oh activated skeleton Activated skeleton Is it Singular skeleton, right? Am I getting that right? Just one activated skeleton

Well, what has activated skeleton done this year? We have put out two tapes Both artists from Minneapolis One is stomachache Stomach egg It's like a kind of like concrete person Really noisy abrasive Mostly tape-based stuff

Like tape and vinyl sampling and then the other one was my husband Lars McCoy who is kind enough

to let me use their laptop right now oh nice well that's why I see your name is El McCoy did the show move on without me

yeah we're learning how to do it without me I assume there was a good pause of silence for a while while we figured out what to do don't do that

oh I thought you were like I'll be right back continue on on like I did. I don't want everybody to figure out this can go on without me. Oh, oh, right, right. Well, it didn't go well, so we'll edit that out. Okay, so what do we mean? I heard, I heard the name Lars McCoy. All right. Did I not? I'll give you the Cliffs notes. We got Marsa Fisher, Twin Cities, activated skeleton. Knows Larry Wish a little bit. Husband is Lars McCoy. We played that Lars McCoy tape. Did we not? We did, yep. And you put that out on activated skeleton? Yep. Okay, what's

going on here because you were you were doing gay hippie vampire and that was scary enough gvh all right because of the van the whole vampire thing you can only i'm not scared of vampires you're not afraid of vampires no no no no the blood sucking beasts of the night you're not afraid i think it's sexy wait they do get sexy what is your favorite kind of the sexy vampire vibe with uh gay hippie vampire who's your favorite sexy vampire uh uh Can I go first? Lee and the old hammer horror ones It's pretty hot

Okay, see I'm a Tom Cruise, Lestot guy I'm Jim Carrey And what was the Once bitten? Once bitten. I'm like a Count Chocula. You're a Count Chocula guy. Yeah.

Cage and the, oh, what's that fucking movie called? The one where he thinks he's a vampire. Gleaming the cube. No, it's not that one. He thinks he's a scapeor. Wait, who's in it? It's Nick Cage.

Oh, Nicholas Cade. Nicholas Coppola. Where he thinks he's a vampire, but he thinks he's a vampire. I haven't seen that one. He puts out a lot of films. He's like an old one from the 90s. He's like a Wall Street executive or something. It's been like 10 years since I've seen it.

So I guess that label's done now, huh? Not really. Yeah, kind of. I'm not really sure. Matthew, while we're doing this, it's your call. If you look up vampire or sexy. I thought he looked up some stuff. Or a skeleton.

I don't know, because I left the room and everyone moved on without me. I've got academia. Oh, Academia. What do we got for academia? Let's see what we got for that. That was back in July. That's when I entered into it. We were talking about the book you were featured in, one of the books. One of the many, one of the many books. The text, the tombs, Mike and Dave, usually. Many, many of pages I have, Grace, that's the fine pages of the academic world.

What was said? Let's see. I just want to say, we have entered academia. unfortunately we have entered into academia we've had PhDs on the show before we've been in print in a physical book

but this is a hard back book oh I remember when the books got hard yeah that means something harsh hard hard books are there harsh books

I mean Einrand wrote some fucking like you know it's harsh reality man so gay happy vampire and then what will then you just start it activated skeleton or is that a what is the deal there uh yeah so my piece of crap printer broke and i had no way to make j cards because i was printing them all myself don't got a kinkos around the way huh yeah so this label was heavily

dependent on your printer oh no um yeah gay hippie vampire was move the letter i decided to make a label that was like all like DIY labels and shit so it's all like collages and like Lars's ones are the cyanotypes that he made so it's all like physical unique stuff that's not like

you know I remember that tape because you weren't familiar with that process no I'm not I'm still not totally familiar with it are you? Yeah did we talk about it already I think we did well you can tell us what it is tell us again for the listeners So cyanotype is like Lars did everything so I'm not like entirely sure

but it's like essentially like light sensitive paper like you can do like photography with it and stuff so like what he was doing is he had a like a negative that he drew up and had printed out on clear paper that he took a bunch of linen that he died with cyanotype under and then like exposed it to like UV

flight for like you know however long you need to so this label is more heavily dependent on the aesthetic artwork that the artist is doing yeah more so than your HP your HP 485 that they're like you're out of magenta you're like I guess the label's done I guess the label's done it right out of magenta it's done yeah well the idea is like they're not printed you know Jay Cards, you know, it's all like one big piece of art that's cut up in the, you know, four by four squares and shit. That's so cool. And speaking of art, the one most important thing you can do to art is rank it and rate it

at the end of the year. Yeah. And I have two of your tapes on this list. Stomachake and Lars McCoy. How about we'll let you place one and we'll roll this. the 200 side die to place the other. Which one do you want to place and which one do you want to put up to chance?

Do I know what number I'm placing it at? No, you get to choose. You get to choose the number. Oh. Pretty much any number. Pretty much any number. Between one and 100. One of two hundred.

If you know. We have some restrictions. You got to know it. Uh. So which one do you want to place stomachache or do you want to place Lars McCoy? I'll place Larses. Interesting. Why are we placing Larses?

They're not here. Nepotism. Nepotism. And we're going to leave the other one. All right. Well, actually, you know what? They could be like I'm going to place Lars and McQuay and some $200. $200 is open right now.

$200 is not open. Oh, it's not open. Sorry. $100. $100. No, where are we placing Lars? A tape, which I thought was very good. Some of these fucking tapes, I haven't heard yet.

This is way too much pressure. I know. I know. You don't want to, because what are you thinking? You're like, I don't want to place it below 100 because then what are people going to think of me? but I want to place it above 150 or 100 because

what are people going to think of me? What are people going to think of me? Okay, so 69 is probably already taken, right? 69 is the first one to go. I can't believe you. Just because you ask that whatever number you pick, I'm going to go one down.

So think about that when you pick it. 70. Do 70. 6-7. 6-7. 6-7. 6-7. Okay, yeah, Lars McCoy.

Endlets waltz on activated skeleton coming in at 6. seven the meme tape of the year okay now let's now for the roll now for the roll okay oh and stomach ache coming in at a hard 40 40 40 crack in the top 50 with that stomach cracking open some 40s oh very good jammy ever held the 40 no it's too heavy yeah that's the reason why you so you tried and you try it I don't have the I don't have the grip strength yet I'm I don't have my gloves yeah Oh, Matthew

I see your finger in the air So in February On the Delaware episode It sounds like you said Count Basie sounds like a vampire Too scary Does sound like a vampire All right

You can do sexy now if you want to Okay If you want to It's getting a little late for sexy No it's perfect time What do you mean is you can do late for sexy. That's when sexy happens at night.

Jamie, 5.30. 5.3. I'm in bed by now. As soon as he gets up from work. That's where you do it. That's where you do it, Jamie. What do you're in bed right now?

Yeah. Where sexy time happens. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. What's Only fans? All right. So we still do an activated skeleton next year or is there going to be, you're doing a third label?

you got to think of a new monster so Jamie's I want Jamie real quick to list all the monsters so far it's vampire skeleton vampire skeleton what are we got we got corpses we got that's still skeleton that's true

werewolves no because the corpse has flesh on it okay a skeleton has no meat yeah skeleton is a genre of corpse I would say though yeah it is a genre of corpse that's pretty good

How about like a banshee? Ooh, a banshee. Jane, that was too scary. All right, what are you guys coming out in 2026? We have absolutely nothing. Oh, good. Nothing in the pipe. Take it easy.

Take it easy. Yeah, yeah. Just take it easy. What about something you liked this year? The question stumps everyone. I don't think anyone likes anything. I'm trying to think. There's too much stuff.

But you ever see Bancamp Friday, how much stuff put out? I've seen these Bunting the marketplace. I, well, Man Camp Friday, I want to give everyone a little tip. Man Camp Friday? Bancamp Friday. You can, there's a hack where who owns Bancamp? It's a, like, George Bank. Like Activision or something.

It's a game company, right? Look that up. No, I think they got bought out by like two investors. Who did? Bancamp, right? Bancamp. No, they got, they, they, Bancamp, hold on. You remember me go to Wikipedia?

Because everybody was complaining. Song trader. What's song trader? Yeah. No, Epic Games. No, oh, the Epic Games sold it two years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, because you know what I've been doing?

Every Banking Friday, I just say, I just donate right to Epic Games. Oh, right. Yeah, you've been doing it right. You've got to go to Song Trader. What did they put out? Epic games. Yeah, Epic, I'll look at that. Fortnite.

Oh, that's Fortnite? I'm pretty sure. Oh, all right, yeah. I don't know what they put out, but I've been sending them my money direct, but I'll send it to Song Trader. Yeah, I'm right about that. What a cool thing. What a cool thing to song trader to trade songs and be just a company that owns bank camp. So I send my money right to them.

Yeah. Okay, yeah. Have you figured out something you like from this year? Yeah, a few tapes. Mm-hmm. Generally, that is the direction we're going in. A few tapes. So one that I really like is there was a Barbara Gonzalez tape put out on Presbytes.

Peckery. Oh, how do you spell that? Neffshocks label. We're all typing furiously. We got a who's going to get the Barbara Gonzales. Who's going to hit the band cam first? Tapes.

That one was really good. I found it. Okay, Jamie. It's not a competition. The group and the tape is called hit with the joke hammer. It's like really like weird, trippy, quiet like ASMR noise stuff. seems very like

I feel like they're using tapes or sampling stuff from tapes that's another one I've been listening to a lot nice nice you want to put what do you want to put on the list you can put something on the list anywhere you want

well Barbara Gonzalez has two accent marks I'm not sure if you're going to be able to figure out how to put the accent marks in there you gotta hold the key down oh I don't know which one though let me pronounce it so you know where the accents are Barbara Gonzalez.

Okay. I got it. Hold on. Got it. And it's it. I'm there. You've got mail. All right.

Where are we putting this on the list? Can we roll the 200-sided diagram? Jamie. Jamie. God, I got it. I'm not a... 182. We're coming in that.

That's not bad. It's on the list. Oh, my God. Something's already at 182. What are we do in that situation? We go one down. So 183? Yep.

Okay, we'll put it right there. See, I think run down would be 180. No, I guess down is worse. You're right. You're right. But it would be 181. I do hear that echo now. Oh, now you hear it.

Now you hear the echo. We'll take care of that in post. All right, Matthew, what do you got for us? Zero results for sexy in 2025. Wow. We got a step in. No sexy talk. Oh, my God.

All right. Marsha What about Skinimax Thank you for joining us Thank you for helping us with this list Thank you Thank you Marcia I want to see something

Marsha Marcia Marcia I want to see something in 2026 I want to see something from Gotta be big A gobbling Drippy Goblin records Drippy Goblin Okay

And you know me and Marcia Are a bit of kindred spirits You want to know why? Yeah Yeah Because we were both a bit of coders Oh coders

Yeah We write some code Deep in the code We've had some talks before While ago In code? Not in code No, I don't talk in code

I don't talk in code I don't know Sometimes Yeah, but yeah Keep it up Keep up the good work Keep up the Lord's work All right

Thanks for joining us All right See you Marcia Bye bye Bye bye Thank you Bye Matthew

Yeah What is it Like in your opinion Like what would be a good thing for you to look up What do you think would be funny Well, I wrote down a couple of the viral moments from this year.

Oh, good, yeah. Can we please hear about these viral moments? Well, the two, I'd say, you know, I think Dubai chocolate. That came up a huge. Oh, Dubai chocolate. I saw some Dubai chocolate in the mall and almost bought it for Jamie. I saw something called Dubai-style chocolate today. Oh, now they're just making style.

I don't know what that means. Which part of it is styled? That's like a knockoff, I think. Yeah. The other one was Powerball. you know so we made we made that clip where it was like all the news janey rattled off oh yeah that was i love that clip man that was very funny

i don't have any good ideas i'm thinking of tape ideas for the next year once you have to grab us water again we don't know us to stop me and joe can keep it up we're good we were good at a banter i don't want to hear that i'm not going to listen to that part and i'll probably edit it out the only thing i've written down here is wet j card contest i woke up the middle I woke up in the middle of the night

and I wrote that down So we'll have to figure out that for 2026 I do want to say in all seriousness for this year Some tapes that definitely go up on the list Are you okay? No What's happening? Okay, the doctor Peter J. Woods

Learning by listening tape Yeah, by the way, he was invited to the call And he... Oh, did he bail? He bailed. Oh, shit. It is late where he is, and I asked him, I said, I thought you were a bit of a night owl

and he said, I thought he was a bit of a night owl. He said he's not a night owl. So who knew? Who, who, who knew? That sea lavender tape on old technology. Walk in off. Oh, you have a Charlie Horse in your foot?

Yeah. Oh, I hate those. Drink more water. The reps on Gold Bolus. Koboji tape on SIF records. And a huge shout out to that Dream Castle, TM, Lego Castle. Sick tape. Sick tape.

These were all some of my top tapes of these. year, Jamie, I know, I feel so bad for you for this giant claw, because I think that was like your tape of the year, right? Yeah, it would probably have been, if I was running the show, I would say either the bitch and bahas tape or the giant claw would have been my number one. I'm not quite sure what we're going to do. Can I put a tape on the list? No.

But it's a little bit mainstream. As far as experimental music goes, those are kind of mainstream acts. I have a tape I wanted to put on the list. Okay, what's the tape? The Billy Woods Gollywog tape. How do you spell Goliwog? William Woods. Goliwog, how do you spell it?

G-O-L-L-I-W-G. Where are you putting that? Oh, I'd like to play the game, Jamie. Oh. It might be ranked really low, though. That sounds like it's... Joe, you got 24. That's good.

That's perfect for Billy Woods. You weren't that there? That's a good tape. I've heard it. Maybe should we play it on... Yeah, play it on the thing. Billy Woods tape, gollywog. So, I'm going to be able to be.

I'm going to be. We're going to be able to be. Winding Road, Carnival Globe behind us, pitchforks and halos like the way home, sometimes you gotta pop in and remind them, dead zone daps of the merch table, vinyl signing, Comatose, reclaiming my time and thank you for winding. In advance, Caliban on Caribbean Island, they're from the water, I'm that horizon, and the bee boy stands. Their time is over, everything is timing. The time is over and they know it, that's why they whining right up until the last second.

Them idiots really thought I was just rhyming. I take the book for the trip, short or long. The stirring words of dead revolutionaries who were wrong. The blurring were of all them centuries, I wonder where the time gone. I wonder where the time gone. Time gone. The hunt of the time machine is still warm. People make time for the things they really want.