Tabs Out Cassette Podcast - Episode #218 | 7.1.26

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

WAV, Mere of Light, Musicians for Birds and Related Animals, Jeff Coyne, Ryan J Raffa & Sam Prekop, Adrian Knight, Mascherina Da Notte, Emma Baiada, Daniel Jakob & Łukasz Polowczyk, Orsan Abram, and Henry Kaiser

Art is not produced in a vacuum. Beauty cannot be regulated by the state. Music is a reflection of our culture. Today our own government is trying to tell you what you should and shouldn't put in your tape tape. But there is a way. It sounds out. Episode what? 218.

2.18. Time's out cassette podcast. Episode number 2.1.8. I just said that. Yeah, but some people are keeping track and they need to repeat it. Whoever's updated on our Wikipedia page. Do we have a Wikipedia page? I mean, what do you mean by we?

I bet you're like Americans? I'm an American to Americans have Wikipedia pages, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. No, there's no tabs out Wikipedia page. Oh, get on that. Who? I don't know.

The internet. How do you get one? Do you got to get the blue check? You have to be encyclopedia worthy. Oh, we're in a couple books. I don't know if we're, we're not in any. Do you already, Jamie, I think what Jamie is saying is you already have had to be in the encyclopedia.

like the old dusty encyclopedia. Britannica? Yeah. My mom has like all those, you know, like when you were a kid and you got, they splurged. It was like $500 to get the encyclopedias, the new encyclopedia Britannica. You're aging yourself, man. But my mom still has. Each month we'll send you one letter.

My mom still has the full set from like 1990, 1990 and won't get rid of them because she's like, we paid money for those. That's good, man. Yeah, but all the, there's countries in that that don't exist anymore. But they might come back. There's no information in there that's current. Anything that's not right in there now will be right again. I mean, there probably is one person that collects every year's in Cycletary of Britannicus. Well, we're going to need, that was probably the last printed information.

Those old, like the hard blue covers. I think ours are red, burgundy. Oh, you got the up, oh, the red letter edition and Cyclopedias. Oh, baby. That has the actual word of Jesus. After the nuclear Holocaust. Yeah. There will need to be like one weird old guy in a cave with like every, all the books.

Yeah. And can your mom be there too? I mean, they're her books. Yeah, but someone's going to come raid that house. Okay. Did you know this too? I'm talking in like 300, 400, 400 years. Oh, wow.

You think it's that far off. That's pretty good. Well, then I'm talking, you know, that's the rebuild. Yeah. keep going. You know. What else? Carry the years in the bunker.

Terrible. I've been trying to come up. Can we talk about a new genre of music? Oh, yeah. Yeah. What would you consider when you hear, when someone says music in skate videos, what do you think of?

I mean, um. No effects. Yeah, but also like 90s hip-hop. Oh. I was going to say, okay, go ahead. Um, hieroglyphics.

For some reason, I was thinking... But then early epitaph stuff. Yeah, I was thinking hip-hop, pop-punk, and for some reason, Dinosaur Jr. Yeah, Dinosaur Jr. one Danzig song, Mother. Yeah, but I've been trying to think of... A pixies song? I want someone to make a new genre of music that would be in the videos if... Okay, so you know the little fingerboards?

Yes, this is... Tech Dex. Tech Dex. So you have to... I've been practicing when we want to work. If, okay, so... I'm getting my 360 flip down.

So the music that's in the tech deck videos... I've never seen tech deck videos. Exactly. So this is fresh territory. We've got a blank slate ahead of us. I guarantee there are tech deck videos, though. There must be all kinds. Perverted ones, normal ones, exciting ones.

There are perverted ones. Jamie has seed. Jamie, please, would you... Jamie, stop! Actually, I'm going to check that during the break. I'm going to look at some YouTube of people. I don't actually, I don't want to mess up my algorithm. I want

someone... It's all UFO stuff right now. To create a genre aesthetically and the aesthetics is tech board, not just doing the tech boards, but making VHS videos, grainy videos out on the street maybe people build like their own little parks.

Parks are cool too, but I'm when I watch a skate video, I want to see them out on the streets. I want to see a security guards Jason them away. Now would it be like a tiny miniature set of stairs like they're real like it's concrete stairs with a tiny little metal railing in the park and the person's just on the sidewalk and then does it or you want them on real stairs I mean I don't know it I'm oh yeah let them cook oh let them cook people cook um but yeah figure out the name figure out the

aesthetic the look the sound all that and then someone has to put it on a tape because there's no other way I'm going to be able to get it mm all right so so tapes that's everyone's first assignment now we're done with homework moving on on the new business. Oh, actually, we shouldn't... What's in the news? The news is, Joe, you got a little thing in the mail. Oh, yeah. So, we were

talking about this right before the episode with the label Funeral Moon. Funeral Moon. And you're like, didn't I talk shit on that label last episode? Yeah, but it's all in fun. I think I might have criticized the tape. I believe it was unlistenable, you called it. You said the tape was totally unlistenable. But the comp was sick.

Well, you received... received. Oh, a letter? Oh, wow. Just a letter? They're going to read the riot act, baby. They read you the hoaxed up. Oh, it's a typed letter. Oh, five bucks.

Give him some reverb, Jamie. Hello? Hello? Hail tabs out. I had changed a setting in my doll that fucked up my first duplication on that serpent column tape, which was super bummer because I strive for as high as quality as I can with the. DIY methods. That's the first time I fucked up like that. Very embarrassing. I had those UV

printed at a local maker space, and because of the cost, can you mail me the crappy copy back to me to be re-dubbed? I have included $5 for media mail. I personally hate the word scrams. I'd rather just call it Screamo. I've also included my new release, Wave, War and Violence, an Indonesian hardcore band with some old-school death metal influences. and then you got a little $5 there. And then I got $5 folded origami style until a little heart.

I say Joe I'm so, I mean keep the $5. Just keep the $5, don't send the tape back. Do you think it was a bad dub or you think they went back to the studio and re-recorded it? I think they re-recorded it.

Yeah. Well, all right, well, thank you. I'm sorry for pointing it out like I did. I've talked to doctors. I was only playing. A hundred different tapes of his. But I'll send it back. Thanks for this other tape.

Thanks for sending us tapes in general. And this is the speaking of, this is the tape. wave the mental terror inflected I believe that was the other tape did you mention these end Oh look at this cover

That cover confused The heck out of me I was so confused Looking at it because There is a Like black metal type logo Yeah On the on the j card

Sickle or scythe or whatever Yeah I should say there's a knockout On the j card like of red Oh shit red with drips The black imprint of the logo is on the Norealco case. Yeah, it gives it a nice little 3D effect. And I'm looking at it, like, is this on the case

or the J-Card? And then I'm touching it and there's a tactile feeling to it? Yeah, it was printed on there. And I'm like, oh, but then when you pull the J-Card out, the red that's behind it completely separates. Oh, my God.

Yeah, wave, um, W-A-V. W-A-V. Like the file format is the name. Very confused about the, I was also confused about, I was looking at it like, oh, I thought these were words, but I think it's just a design. And then I figured out, oh, no, that does say, wait, that's W-A-V. W-A-V, yeah. Yeah, it's actually very simple to see.

It's very simple. It's, yeah, out of black metal logos, it's, you know, one of the most readable, I think. But you got to put it in the mind space of me when I was like, utter confusion. I was baffled. What is going on with this? Very cool. I can make that my, I'll make that my choice. that's my pick that I'm going to

Oh, all right, great. So I'll play that. It's a sticker. Funeral Moon always sending the stickers with this stuff. If I've, and if, Funeral Moon, if I don't like this one sticker, if you can send me a dollar, I'll mail it back to you. Jamie, I'm not going to mail it back to you.

I'm giving the dollar. That's my pick. Wave, the mental terror inflected on Funeral Moon. I'm not really sure who Wave is. They're from Indonesia. I read it. Yeah, but that is.

Okay, so they're the person from Indonesia. They're an Indonesian death metal band. Old school death metal. Oh, wait, hold on second. Old school death metal. Hold on. Hold on. Old school are right here. There we go.

All right. Joby, you want to follow that up? Yeah, I don't know where my tapes are. You already lose that $5? No, I put it in my bag. All right. Well, this is going to be a different zone. I don't have anything to follow up death metal.

I'm going to play. This tape is called Mirren. of light. Mirror of light? M-E-R-E. Mirror of light. What's a mirror? Jamie, what's a mirror?

A small amount. Small amount of light. Yeah, mirror of light on lighten up sounds. Ah, thematic. Very interesting. And this is Elise McArdle, all music composed arranged and performed by.

and I believe it's like electroacoustic harp manipulations so there's some synthesizers it's nice Oh wow What are they doing in the harp It's sort of fantasy-esque

But not They just push that harp Down a flight of stairs Yeah it's Please tell me you recorded that But we're gonna have to rewind To get to the track I want to play We gotta cue it up

All fair But it's nice It's a pink Pink marble tape I wouldn't call that pink But You wouldn't call it fuchsia marble Yeah, there you go.

Okay. We were talking about this style. It's like a raspberry ice cream. Yeah. Oh, it's a sorbet. It's more of a sherbet. Sherbert. Let me give you a little primer on Toiless 101.

It's like a grimace milkshake. Grimis is a little darker. He's a little more in the violet range. Yeah, but if you, really? But you add the milk. Well, some kind of cream. Yeah, okay, and it lightens it up. All right.

You think they're adding milk there? Is this a new one on lightenup sounds? I believe so. Yeah, we were talking about these... 2026. We were talking about these shells and also the cases. They're marbling on these days.

There's a marble contingency happening. I believe, and I could be wrong, I think it's because it's the result of recycling. I like it. Oh, okay. Reduce, reuse, recycle, and then when you do that,

your tapes are marble. That's right. And it might even be cheaper, right? Then what? Then just to get blue. You can get the marble and maybe you don't know what you get? Oh, like you get a shade of blue.

Is that what you're saying? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We need to get someone on the phone. Like, did you say when you used to press records, it was actually a little cheaper to get the marble, like splatter? Like you could do any color for the price of black.

But you don't know what you're getting. Right. That's what I mean. Okay. But it's the same price as clear, but you just don't know. That's what I'm trying to equate with. I don't know if they still do that. Right.

Because maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like vinyl records have gotten to the, point. Like, it used to be not a rarity, but, I mean, somewhat uncommon to see some crazy swirl type thing. Right. And then in, like, the early 2000s, I feel like every record. And you know what else started happening, I feel like around that point. And I hate this. What? And I saw it today. What? You know that band Converge? Yeah. They put out like two records. Two. Just now. I know. Dave told me they just dropped a second one. And I saw one of them is on pale ale vinyl. and I really dislike the whole this is pressed on bubble gum

and this one's on roast beef and this one's on snazzy licorice it's like just call them that one's on yellow that one came out on light yellow but is it a little clear though who gives a fuck

vomit green of chunky vomit corn diarrhea fresh mozzarella fresh mozzarella fresh mouserrel New Converg. It's an Epitaph exclusive

Frus chmoutesel vinyl. It's got a little bit. I get your beef. Well, back me up. Whose cider are you on? Age prosciutto. Joe's always got this thing in the back of the head. Maybe Epitaph is going to want to do something with me.

Maybe one day Jacob Bannon breaks his arm and now the next thing I'm in Converg. You're stuck with me. Back me up. All right. Yeah, you're right. Jamie. Jamie, what are you got?

Now, Jamie, I think you said earlier, you were, waving a lot of meat around about this theme that you had. Oh, you got a theme. I'm giddy. I'm, I'm ready to go. Yeah, Jamie, please. I had to do a specific ordering so you guys didn't guess it sooner, because I'm going to try to make it so you have to, you guess at the end. You had to do a what? I'm ordering, I'm sequencing these tapes in a specific order. So we're going to start off with this tape on Bumpy by a group or collective called musicians. Stop. Music. Stop. That's the theme. Stop. Stop. Spines upside down. That's your theme. Yeah. No, it's not it. Damn it, I thought I had it.

What's Bumpy doing putting the spine upside down? He's old school. He's old school. Jamie, look at me, give him the signal. Jamie,

Jamie, please. Jamie? Old school are right here. Yeah, Bumpy, Larry Wish, he's old school. That's the deal. What's he doing putting the spine upside down?

Send this, you know what? Send me $5. I'll send this back to you. All right, Jamie, go ahead. All right, the artist is, musicians for birds and related animals.

The title of the album is music for birds and related animals. And the songs are about animals. At least a lot of them are. I'm going to play the fish song, track number two. Oh, fish is on this? That band is so trippy. Oh, man, they displayed it at the sphere.

Yeah, I saw some of that. They're underrated band, they're good. Okay. But yeah, the fish song. This group has some familiar names you might know from Bumpy, Astrid Hubbard Flynn, who does the vocals. Wait, the spine's upside down.

I know, and that got me, listen to episode, I think it's 218. I go really hard on that. Is that the episode number of this one, Jamie? Yes, 218, you know what I mean? The spine is upside down, we'll let it pass, because Jamie is saying that there's some,

there's some alumni, you say? Yeah, I think it's just that Minneapolis crew. Astrid Hubbard Flynn, Emily Alexander Ott, Ian Forkey, Will Ennis. Ian Forgey What's that? Ian Spoonie? I mean, Jesus Christ

What's next? That's an honest question. Yeah. So So, this is a fun one. Fun music. Oh, that's your theme, fun. Does Joe have his fun?

He said in the beginning of the episode, he said, is everyone ready to have some fun? Is everyone who has some fun? Is that it? Maybe. Well, you'd be the judge from the next day by play.

So he told me no on mine. Straight up, he said, no, that's not. Yeah, right. And on yours, he said, He dodged it. Is there any, what is the name of this again? Musicians for birds. Well, you want the album title or the artist?

Artist. Musicians for birds and related animals. And then the title, music for birds and related animals. It doesn't say fun on there. I wonder if it says it anywhere else. Okay. Name me one animal that's related to a bird, but it's not a bird. That's a good platypus.

Platypus. Okay. But an otter? But how is an otter related to a bird? both in the zoo That's true I can do probably about three more of these things

Oh you got me It's every answer Mike's good at improv Very quick Right right All right I can't wait To find out your theme So let's play these three tapes

Joe B You want to go out and spend that $5 Yes Did you hear the ice cream man Let's go get some ice cream They still have $5 foot longs Where Subway right

Oh maybe A togey fest right now I got a dollar Oh, that's, is that Wawa? I don't know. I'm really concerned that Jamie heard the ice cream man and the first thing he thought about was $5 foot lungs.

All right, let's play these tapes. Of the sea and with the power of the seas, we overtake our of the seas, we are too slippery for your hands, we are too scaly for your knives. If in one shape you strike us down in many shapes, we swim back up. Our squirming, chomping,

supple and vivacious bodies breathe and ride. Our squirming, chomping, supple and vivacious bodies breathe and writhe our swirming, chomping, supple and vivacious bodies breathe and writhe, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, fish, we have to repeat what we've just played when we come back. It's because Jamie takes a little nap when we play the music and why I have to tell them. That's my doctor told me I have to take some naps. He has to take intermediate napping. I do that now too, intermediate napping. So I'm constantly like, okay, Jamie, we played wave from the mental terror inflicted on

funeral moon. Thank you for the $5. Isn't that what Leonardo da Vinci did? Every hour he slept 30 minutes or something. Oh, I thought he did the funeral moon. And I was like, what weird rich person? And Kramer tries to do it in an episode. Every three hours, you sleep for 10 minutes.

Yeah, why not? And you never need to do a full sleep. Shave. You never need to shave again. No, it stops all hair growth. Mirror of light, heat of ritual, sound of light. A lot of, of this, something of this, something of that. Something of this and something of that. Light.

Tonight's a special night. And then my favorite named band and tape from that block and maybe my possibly ever, musicians for birds and related animals, music for birds and related animals on bumping. You guys played fun stuff. I was fun. I have a fun tape actually that should have went with that. That maybe I'll start off this block with the fun tape. Okay.

And we can kind of consider the first thing, the wave thing, to be. just a scary starter. You kind of just to prepare yourself. Then we're having fun, and now I'm part of the fun with this one. Good. But what is this one? Let's see. Jeff Coin.

Jeff Coin spelled C-O-Y-N-E. Piano etiquette. Do the coin. Oh, my God. I haven't to think about that. Hold on. Hold on. Ready.

Yeah. Jeff Coin. Shit. Jeff Coin. Fuck, I did it again. Jeff Coin. Nah. What are you trying to do?

The coin. Piano etiquette. Jamie, what is some good piano etiquette? Oh, yeah. What is piano etiquette? Like, at the gym... At the gym, you wipe down the machine afterwards. But, like, you're at the piano.

Do you wipe it down afterwards? Do you have to, like, kind of spray it with that bottle that they have at the gym at the station and then wipe it down with... That's bad for the piano. But do you push the stool in after you're done? Or do you leave it? it out so you can just come right in. That's probably good.

Do you think Jamie takes a shit at the piano? No, no. You hold the stool in, Joe. That's disgusting. A piano stool. Oh, we were all confused about that, I think. No, you weren't. I never pushed my piano stool back in.

I leave it in the same spot each time. So you can just jump right in. Jump right in. But etiquette-wise, if it wasn't your piano. Probably. And sometimes there's the little cover on it, too. Oh, the cover? Yeah. You don't want the dust doesn't get on it. But for me, you know, when I have that inspiration, I want sit down and just start, tickle in those ivory, tell you to stop?

I got to ask, Jamie, when you sit down on the piano, what is the first key you touch? C. Oh, how do you know that? Huh? How do you know it about C? What do you mean? Me and Dave are highly... I didn't think you knew music theory.

You kidding me? He's been carrying around so many books. I've been studying. I don't get it. He's been calling me up. Of course, it's a theory, Jamie. He's been calling me up. Mike, I've been hearing scientists are talking about this theoretical music note.

I'm like, all right, man, you're getting too deep. What key do you usually play in? Well, yeah, C is my home base. That's your home base. Yeah, okay. I can think of anything in terms of C. If you say minor six, A flat. Boom.

Yeah, there you go. This is a self-release tape. Jeff Coen is from East Hampton, Massachusetts. And you can tell by the cover art, you're like, oh, yeah, this is definitely going to be silly and fun. Oh, that's very cool drawing. Yeah, that's just drawlings. It's just drawlings. A whole 10,000 bucks of grabs!

Oh, this tape's called piano etiquette. Is that why we're talking about it? Do I want to say? I don't want to respond. I'm kidding. Yeah, it's yellow tape in there, and then what do you got? A lot of other hops of color inside, Joeby. I love how you can't describe it anymore.

It's just so far away. All I can see is the yellow from here. Special thanks to Marie, Joe, Pat, Nick, and Kale. Joe, me. That could be you. It could be me. And I remember, I listened to this one And I remember times it being like weenish

So silly, fun. Yeah. Fun, silly, fun-ish. Serious sometimes? I don't know if it ever really got too serious. All right. There is a part when he starts reading his will. I mean, do you consider how serious is that?

Whose will? Is he nice? Yeah. He likes noise. And I say will, I meant wilt chamberlid. There's one part of this day where Will Chamberlain plays piano. And he reads them. How could, do you think a guy like Will Chamberlain could play piano, a tall guy like that?

You need a modified one. You need a modified piano on stilts. Yeah. So the piano itself would just be... And the keys are... Wait, why not? A platform seems safer. On stilts?

Well, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a table that has legs that are adjustable. He needs the knee clearance. Yeah, he's the knee clearance. Yeah. He actually uses a standing piano. They're all the rage now in offices.

I bet. and the keys are thicker people don't go to the office anymore joe oh right i like it at the gym with the pianos that have the little like moving treadmills underneath of them oh yeah walk on while you're at the piano that's for a one of that what's that one called jami the rolling you know the old school ones had the the paper with the little

oh a player piano player piano that's what that's how you use the treadmill to make the player piano or like an old whirlitzer yeah yeah yeah yeah and you You're kind of like a whirlitzer, I bet you can get inside of and use that. Like a hamster? How did we start talking about this being like Jim's stuff? Who's Jim? He's friends with Will.

Is he nice? It's a real nice guy. But yeah, I would, to wrap this all up, I don't know how we got off on this, but I will say, yeah, Joe, I do want to be inside of a warlitzer like a hamster. Okay. I think that would be fun to be confined like that with all the machinery. I am going to play this collaboration tape between Ryan J. Raffa and Sam Precop on crash symbols only came to say goodbye. Jamie, Mike didn't know who Sam Precop was.

Do you know who Sam Precop is? No. When did you ask me who's Sam Precop? Last time I was over here and I was like, well, there's a Sam Precop tape. And you said, who's that? Okay. Well, thanks for making me feel real dumb, Joe. Jesus Christ.

He's from the C and Cake. The CN cake? The CN Cake. The C&Cake. The C&Cic. Chicago. No? Chicago band.

C and Cake. You don't know Cine Cake? No. But now he does just synthesize or stuff. You might just know him at. as cake. Sometimes they short it's a cake

patiently waiting at the starting line. And Ryan Jay Rafa is an artist. No, it's not that. A musician based in Taipei, Taiwan.

That's so there's two people on this tape? Yes, Ryan J. Ratha from Taiwan and Sam Pekop from CN Cake. How many people are in seeing cake? I don't know.

It was a band. It was a band. You don't remember seeing Kake? I'm just wondering is it like kind of like is one of them seeing one of them cake?

No, it's not like that. It's not like a duo like that. like three people seeing cake and hooty indie rock band from Chicago we were just talking about

how we're going to miss tortoise this I know Friday they're on thrill jockey I don't know if this same as tortoise if this episode's gonna be out in time but if anybody wants Jobby's tortoise ticket oh yeah

to their giga king of Prussia what's at me and I'll give you a he'll give you a tortoise ticket I'll give you a tortoise ticket hold on sounds nasty you're always nasty three whole three

So crash symbols just sent us this and another one I think that I gave to Jamie over there, but I don't remember what that tape was. Do you remember Jamie? Well, it was the other crash symbols tape, Jamie. Do you remember? Order of the Wire Mother. What you call me? No, that's on bumpy.

Bumpy crash symbols. No, it was crash symbols last time we were here I gave it to you. Not this time. Let them look at a few more tapes. Were you going to go through every tape in the room? Is it this? Is it this one? Take number 87.

It's a box set. All right, Jamie, what are you going to play? Let's see if we can... Goodbye. Get this theme. The first thing you played was about animals, birds and related animals, fish. So what are you going to do now, Jamie? I'll pump you up.

Orlando. I love Orlando. What do you got? That was great. Good. This is an artist, which you'd be surprised to hear. We have never played on the show before. Okay.

You guys are going to tease me a little bit. Oh, good. The label is Galta. Who's that? Galta. David Lackner's label. Now, listen, we've played David Lackner. We've played John Swano.

We've played Max Zuckerman. We've never played this artist. He just listed off. I'm going to take some jazz heads real quick. I don't know who these people are. Jamie. So I'm making up names. And for all my real head, you'd know, you know some of these cats. Who the hell

is that? This is Adrian Knight. We've never played Adrian Knight? We have never played Adrian Knight. Yeah, we have. Yeah, we have. I feel like I've played. A collaboration with David Lackner, I think. I think we did. I think you're talking about, hot sacks. Purell, maybe. I think we played the Purell tape. And what's that? I think

it's Adrian Knight and David Lack. But this is this is an Adrian Knight solo record. How did you get this? Do you have the gall to be like, He's handing it to you. We never played this guy before. And then I immediately said, no, we did. We played them with your other best guy.

Trying to create some hype. I'm a hype man. Check the RSS feed. So this is from 2016. The only reason I'm playing this tape, I'm sorry to say, Adrian. Was this in my stuff? No, this is my thing. I know the theme.

I know the theme. Okay, already? I know Jamie's theme. Should I hold on? Should I say? Because I think I know it. Well, hold on. What's your apology to Adrian Knight for only playing it now?

Because it's only to complete my stupid theme. It's not to like, celebrate his music or because I'm a big fan of his music. Well, Jamie, you don't have to say that. Yeah. Cut that out. Jamie. I do like Adrian Knight's music.

You know what? His music reminds me a little bit. Did they play Final Friday one time or no? Yeah, Final Friday 50. 50. Very special Final Friday 50. But yeah, this kind of sounds like Adrian Knight. All right, guess Jamie's theme.

All of the tapes have on the cover a square. That's not it. That's not it, because look at the last tape he played the music for Burtz sing. The artwork's like, there's the whole J card. This gets into the time. Here's my third tape. I won't tell you what it is yet, but... The age-old debacle of is a rectangle a square.

A rectangle... Because there's two schools of thought. No, wait. One of them is always the other one, and the other one's not the other one. So either a rectangle is always a square or a square is always a rectangle. A rectangle is always a square. That sounded right coming out of my mouth. Yeah, a rectangle is always a square.

But a square isn't always a rectangle. Yeah, I see what you're saying now, but that one's more of a rectangle. Yeah. When I looked at it quickly, I thought the Adrianite tape had a square on the cover. Oh, that's a pretty good point. Okay. When did this tape come out? I'm sorry if you mentioned it.

2016. Oh, 10-year anniversary. Yeah. So right there. So I'm going to celebrate the 10-year anniversary. This Adrian Night Tape. I bought this years ago. I really remember I have a lot of memories of buying it and getting it and having it.

and having it, and I played it before for 10 years, and now a decade later, I'm going to play this for 10 years. But instead... Took my finger and took the little dust off the top. Jamie! Jamie, stop! You dust your tapes every week. Yeah, that's the other thing.

You're cleaning ladies. Don't care of that. You're cleaning. Don't try to talk just like that. You can't get in there. Look at Mike, so you can't get in there. You can't get your feather duster in there. He has a special one that you've made me custom.

Oh, yeah. You got to get a special. cassette duster because the Nuroku cases, a lot of them have those little grooves on the top. And I have like a silicone. Yeah. Yeah, I have a whole silicone, a 3D-producing. Actually, you know what I have? I don't have a little silicone brush like that.

What I do have, though, is a tiny little rumba that rides over the ledge and gets the top of all my tapes. Yeah, but don't you have to empty it a lot? Constantly. Like every three tapes you have the empty hit. And it's loud. and nine-volt battery it runs on and that drains quick and how do you fit that in the

it's got to like okay so the nine-volt adapter thing kind of hangs so that's the other problem it's constantly falling off the shelf because it weighs less than the nine-volt so then is that all of us do we all pick something?

That's it, yep, go. And we still don't know Jamie's theme. Uh-uh. It'll be revealed, I think, in the last... Did I say the title of this Adrian Night album? It's something about a cocktail party. Cocktail culture. Cocktail culture.

Cocktail culture. Oh, okay. Like a, like a, oh. Like a cockatoo. Like a cockatoo. Like a cockatoo? Or like a peacock. Is that what it is?

I don't think I would do that to you guys. Cocktail culture. What is Jamie's theme? All right. All right. All right. Let's play the tapes. When all of your friends are autistic,

they never can see what is right. When all of your friends are in bubbles They never can see the diffusion of light Cause way up in spite Not so right Well dream Dream about futures Dream about strangers

I'm calling this in and of faith This Cassio's Mike will ascribe If sun doesn't car in the hillside Then please don't consume this consumer

device Ah Way out in Atheirian's fight Not so right Ha Straight up in The futures

Dream about strangers Jeff Coyne Piano Etiquette, self-released Ryan J. Raffan and Sam Precop Only came to single, boy Preston Bowles Oh me, it's nice talking to myself Adrian Knight

Cocktail Culture on Galta Still haven't figured out Jamie's release Or excuse me Still haven't figured out Jamie's theme He says he's the theme. The last one's going to tie it all together. Okay. I noticed everybody in there that was all names, just names,

the artist names. It's not very often that happens. Was that the theme? Any word can be a name. Oh, any word. No, but this is like their names. Proper Judeo-Christian names. Oh, that's true. Real names, yeah. Yeah, true. Real true, yeah.

All right, Jamie, do you want to just do the, you want to play yours first so we can just figure this out? Yeah, play yours first, so then I can figure it out, or no, he's hesitant. I can do that. that. Oh, he doesn't want to do that. I feel like this one's a little bit. I was going to play you out on this one. Oh, he wants to play out. Well, I want to say, if we're talking about the vibe of the show, we started off with something a little, I don't know.

Scary. Too scary. And then from there, everything has kind of been fun. This has been kind of fun. So I have something that is definitely going to go into a different area, kind of more mysterious area. Do do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. X falls. Tonight, tonight, on. unsolved mysteries. I have one here that's in those tall vinyl cases. Mine's in a tall vinyl case.

Cheers it with me, brother. I saw that. So let me take my notes out because I can't really read anything on this actual case. You can't read it like you can't decipher the like the symbols or it's in another language that you are not privy to. It's both messy printing of another language. Okay. It's a smudgy foreign language. But a label called Univiso Estesto Recordings.

Right. Sent us a package. The package smelled. Okay. The package smelled. Like what? Well, there's incense in one of them. There's incense in one.

It was a heavy smell of incense. Oh. There was a lot of like paper mache in there that when I opened it up, it got in every. Packing material. I don't think it was packing material. I think it was just like this label is very thematic and dedicated to that theme. Like there's some sort of like mystery behind all their releases. Like this one is from an artist called Mecharina de Notet.

What's that, Italian? Le Luce Blue del Hotel de Andes. Yeah Which The artist translates Or is that Latin, Jamie? Hmm I think it's France

French Is it? We come from France Is that, that's a Mecherina Don't know Either way It translates to sleep mask

And the title is The Blue Lights of the Winter Hotel Hmm Now Now When you open up the case, you were presented with a hotel room

key. Oh. That's crazy. It has been and a tiny little bar of soap. Oh. Wow. Then there is this envelope on the left hand side of the case. That one you take a little yellow envelope

I don't know if I even opened up this envelope yet. But there's all kind of stickers and clues. It's like an escape room. This is like when you enter an escape room, they give you this tape. And they say, good luck. You've got to get out of our hotel. But the audio is similarly.

Excuse me. Similarly. That's a word. The audio is similarly mysterious. Yes. There you go. I believe there's also some kind of VHS version of it, or maybe that's just part of the whole aesthetic.

of it, I don't know. But I enjoy this and I enjoy everything else the label sent. I think, Joe, I think you grabbed one. I grabbed two. It's by the same artist, but two different releases. Oh, so maybe we'll be hearing those in the future. We will. But this is an addition of 25. I would say my only beef with it

is where did it get to? Are you holding it, Joe? Oh, it's right here. Are we starting over? Yeah, hit the wrong button. That, the, um... You said beef. The... The bar of soap should have like something... It's Italian. Ah, Paizan.

The blue lights of the winter hotel. Yes, I think I said Italian. Well, I already said that translation. No, you said sleep mask. Is the name of the artist. But you didn't, did you say the blue, a silver-eared listener will be able to remember that I did say just moments ago.

Hello. Mike said it was French. That's all I want to say is Mike said it was French. I said maybe it comes from France. And he's wrong. Oof, Marone. um is this an italian label i don't think so i feel like the band camp

could read the label again label name universal estesto recordings so that new york city oh new york city but sounds like this is NYC underneath but i think they should have like there should have been something in the soap well let me see the soap like

the way you would like take a stamp i thought maybe it would have the uh so there's a lot of smells i see what you're saying yeah that's smelly the soap the the the The incense. I thought it would be wrapped in the paper, but this isn't.

I would like it's just a piece of a little tiny bar soap. Yeah. I would like a little like image pressed into the soap. Oh, okay. The color of the shell is immaculate.

It's perfect for this. What color is that? I believe that is. Bone. Oh, you think that's bone? I thought it was mozzarella. Old. Fresh mozzarella.

Is the soap in a little bag? No. No, I thought I was saying, it's going to mess up your tape one day. It's a loosey. Why you want to buy it? You can't tell Lucy sops. Yeah.

you know a little hack for everybody a little tape hack if you ever get a tape with a bar of soap in it like this keep the bar of soap in your car in the summer it'll make it smell nice oh okay a little trick little tip for everybody not an issue

oh my don't all right joe b i have one more i'm gonna throw it in real quick yeah emma i'm not gonna be able to pronounce all the names but emma bida daniel jacob

and lucas polowick six Power Manual slash weight extra is the name of the tape. Those first three things were names I said. You got to believe me. And then adventurous music is the... Oh, adventurous music. Do you like...

Do you want to go on an adventure? Yes, I love adventurous music. When people ask me what kind of music I listen to, I say adventurous music. I say I don't listen to music. I go on adventures. And the songs are my jersey. Jersey? Are my journey.

Yes, I go to New Jersey. I sleep on a gurney and go on my journey. in New Jersey. And we have ourselves a new poet. And a new poet is born. This is... That was like slam poetry. That was good, Jamie.

I heard a little birdie. You can go on Bank Camp to see... Jamie, you're saying all this poetry. Poems are... And with your glasses, you look very... It's making me a little bit more... Oh, good one. You got them.

Jamie, please. Jamie, stop. Just stopped him. You lost. This tape has poem on it. Does it? It says it right on Bankcamp. It says poem, soundscape, video.

poem sound as its primary method. I don't know what, I don't know what that means, but something about this is that. Go on Bank Camp and you can read it yourself. Let's see that tape. There's a cool imprinting on the tape itself. Oh, that is very cool. It's a black tape with an imprinting of like a hand,

but it really has some light. Like it really seems like it's glowing to me. Here, Jamie, get your peepers on that. You threw that right at him. I can't believe he did kind of curl up in a ball and like, my depth perception's a little worse now that I have these glasses.

What do you think, Jamie? I don't like coming off that thing. I don't know if he likes it. I can't see, I can't tell. You doesn't seem like the hand seems illuminated. I'm just being honest. I'm being honest. It's extremely reflective.

Yeah. Okay. It's iridescent? I mean, I don't know. Iridescent is the word. I don't know. What happened at Chernobyl? It's that.

I don't know. Okay. But yeah, I want to play that too. I don't have much to say about it. I didn't do enough for you. I'm sorry, I didn't do all my homework. You liked it. I liked it, but I listened to it and I was like, damn, this is good.

So I'm going to play a little bit off of that. And that's, I'm done. Okay. I can spend all my time thinking about Jamie's theme. All right. Look at his other two tapes. All right. Really analyze his other two tapes.

Well, I'm going to start passing it. No, I got to play my tape, Jamie. You're going to let Joe B go? He's going to step on his ass like that. Jesus. You do two tapes? He did two. I did two.

I was only going based. I had a little counter. I was counting on my. fingers one all right two and then it was three that was me i am playing this rust belt percussion compilation on fomomrm oh yeah fomrl did we play this already i don't think i don't think so maybe we talked about it on when we interviewed him so this is a compilation of percussionists right jamie from the mainly ohio and uh pittsburg seems like that's the primary that's the rust well here's a buffalo new york person

is Buffalo New York in the Rust Belt? It wouldn't Buffalo, New York would be more... I guess it depends on how high the nation wears its pants. Trump's trying to change that. The nation's pant line. All right, this comes in the tall... What did you call this? Poly case?

It's an expression. What? I've heard, like, library case. I've heard, like, poly case. I think the poly-ish... short for like a house. So it's just like yours. There's three little compartments. But instead of the soap in the top one of mine, there's two little rolled up pieces of paper. Two scrolls. Two scrolls. One is the track list. One is some QR codes. Oh, wow. Have you unscrolled those? Yeah, that's why I know

what's in them. You got them back like that, huh? Yeah, but to put them right back. Wow. That's impressive. The blue one has a yellow rubber band, and the yellow one has a blue rubber band. See what they did there? Wow. They messed up, so you got to put them back on the right there. And it has the tape, but then it also came with a USB thumb drive. Blue. What's on that I think? A virus? I don't know. I'm afraid to put it in my computer. Here, I'll put it in mine.

All right. Hold on. Here. Oh, you don't really want me to? You got to boot up in safe mode. Don't do it. I'm assuming it's probably the digital version. Let's see. Maybe it's a game. Configure storage settings or open files.

What are I going to do, Jamie? Open files. Okay, it says, just don't do auto run there's two files there's one folder that says pictures of my wedding and then it says virus dot trojan dot eXE

which one should I do huh let me click this one and see if a oh that just opened up his Netflix account face to face now this is just the digital version of it on there all right great that's what I figured it's all right we'll just play it's queued up already on the A side

so the A side we got That's a pretty funny idea, though, to distribute a USB and then put a folder called Trojan Virus on it. Yeah, that's really good. That'd be funny. John Hubble, Toledo, Ohio, Azamoth Improv. Okay. Asimuth, that's like a tape deck term. Is that a tape deck term?

This person was in some bands, Colossus of the Fall, I feel like I heard of that band. Omaha. Who the hell is that? Shuttercock, Go Lab, excellent. enemies and Byzantine generals. Does this list, like, what is there, like a portfolio in there for each artist? Yeah. It is a, yeah, I don't know a portfolio

is the right way. Is it literally like percussion performances, or is it... Yeah, all this, it's, yeah, Rust Belt percussion. Everyone's percussionists. Yeah. So is it, is it like songs, or is it like free improv? Well, this track is an improv. I'm not sure what the other stuff is like. There you go, Jamie, keep at it.

I'm assuming this is all improv stuff. Jazz. Actually, not jazz. Free improv. There's the coin. Okay, that's cool. Boom. And it's got a little, like, every artist, it's got a little, like,

Yeah, it was just lost in their little bios. They got little bios. Yeah, tells who they are, what they do, other stuff they've been in. Oh, cool. Yeah, it's nice, nice little production. FMRL. What's it saying?

That doesn't say number one on the back. What's that say? It does say 1. Why does it say A-1? What's that mean? Because maybe it's part of a new series. Why is it say, I'm assuming? Why is it say F-M-R-A-0-1?

I don't know. Well, what does that mean? I'm asking to figure it out, Jamie. That's a big machonic number. No, you don't have to figure out. It's fine. Figure it out. Play your stupid tape.

Yeah, I don't even care about your thief anymore. Actually, do we just want to stop right there? No, no, no, no, I've been waiting for this moment. Play the outro music. I got a good team. All right, thanks for listening to Taps Out. That's the end of the episode. Everybody, good night.

Toot off. All right. Give it to me, Jamie. Give it to me, Jamie. Henry. Kaiser. Kaiser. Sandwiches.

They're all sandwiches. All your tapes are. Kaiser roll. And then what did you play? Sourd dough earlier. Here, pass it around. Cocktail, Henry Kaiser. Henry Kaiser.

This is a tape I picked up at Jupiter Records. other day from the tape section and I said oh Henry Kaiser I know that name I don't own anything by him I don't really know anything about him who who is Henry Kaiser Henry Kaiser also on SST yeah we're gonna get this taken off wait what do you mean you know him but you don't know any because he's he's one of the cats he's one of the guys from the 70s I love oh my God Jamie why did you say that earlier I love the cats from the 70s he's played with Fred Frith obviously oh wait Toshinuro Kondo he's played with um Derek Bailey, Diamanda Gales.

Wait, the first track has Garcia and Weir. Is that Bob Weir and Jerry Garcia? I think you're talking about the second track. That's a great... No, the first track is Mason's Children side A. It says Hunter Garcia, Lesh, Phil Lesh. Is it a cover? Probably, because the whole B-side is a Grateful Dead cover of Dark Star.

Oh, yeah. And that's what I'm going to play. Okay, cool. So, yeah, he's like a real early, like, free improv guy, but this is like a country-western album. And then it gets like... It's like a country-western album. them, but the end of Side A is a Captain Beefheart cover live.

And then all of Side B is Darkstar by Grateful Dead. All these are covers, Sammy, because the second track, the man who shot Liberty Valance is a Bert Backerack song. Oh, I love Bert Backerick. And then the Andy Griffith Show theme, that's literally the Andy Griffith show theme. Ode to Billy Joel, it says gentry. That's somebody's name. He's got albums with Jim O'Rourke, Wadado Leo Smith, a cat.

Everybody. From the 70s. I love to catch me. He's still doing stuff. He's done stuff with John. Which, um... With John Zorn? Maybe.

Maybe. Wait, who's Joey Barron? Oh, Joe... Excellent drummer from John Zorn's Naked City. Well, they play... Joey Barron rules. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, Joey Barron's sick, actually. Um... But, yeah, on the... Oh, I hope he gets better. Yeah. So, yeah, I saw this Henry Kaiser tape. Picked it up, and, um... Oh.

It's pretty good. I didn't expect to be a country Western tape, but, um, yeah, the end of side A and the all of side B is cool and side B is what I'm going to play a little bit of because it's the whole side. Some, some good live guitar noodling. So now we're trying to figure out your theme that you had. First of all,

I know, do you need clues? Well, I know you said, you said there was one tape that you had to, like, buy, like, you had to go out and get specifically, right? And he wanted, no, no,

he didn't want to start on this, he had a specific order. And you thought this would give it away. I thought you would give it away. Do you want me to say what I thought would give it away? Give it away, give it away, give it a clue. Just give it a clue. Kaiser is the starting point.

He did hit that hard. Kaiser. Kaiser. Kaiser Sosei. Yeah, that's right. The usual suspects. Hmm. Huh.

So it was this. All right. Give us another clue. All right. The fish song. The fish song is. All right. What was the second tape we played?

Adrian Knight. Cocktail hour. Or cocktail culture. Cocktail Fish song Kaiser Is he making a sandwich? You're getting warm

You're getting warm Did he make a sandwich Kaiser roll with a fish And had a cocktail sauce? That's it Mike got it That's it Filet of fish sandwich

Is my theme Wait What? Yeah Cocktail sauce Yeah On a valet fish sandwich Well I had those first

I thought that was with shrimp That's with shrimp Well I don't like tartar sauce I like cocktail sauce the theme was the specific way that you enjoy a fish sandwich that's right that's right because a filet fish isn't on a Kaiser roll it could be oh my god Jamie really stretching you're really reaching for this theme you've been talking about this go back in our text how long has you been talking about this theme he's

probably been telling Megan for weeks Megan you're not going to believe it I have three tapes with the way I'd like to make a fish flay. And then she said, but you don't use Kaiser rolls. He goes, but I could. This is really soft. I can't play the Kaiser one first, though they'll guess it right away.

Oh, no. If he played the Kaiser one first, I would have said, oh, this is how you're going to make a fish fly. Jamie, please do this every time. this is easily my favorite thing that you do. It was hard because I was like, I have the Kaiser roll, I got the fish, but what do I put on it?

I didn't have any tartar tapes. I didn't have any coleslaw tapes. At that point, just started over her. I was like cocktail, ooh, Adrian Knight cocktail culture. He put some cocktail on it. He went 10 years back in the archives. Sentae, the tempest all out of the out of the world. Don't go to any part for a

Bhop Forse it's better percorrower this corridor Finole up your stanza Sistemarty for the night Now appertain to Me. I'm gonna be here

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