Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 126 | Astros Suspensions Do Not Carry Over to 2021

Episode Date: April 3, 2020

AJ Hinch and Jeff Luhnow's suspensions will count even if there is no 2020 season. How much of a 2020 season do we expect? The guys also answer your twitter questions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It is April 3rd, and we're going to talk some baseball. Jake, myself, and ploof taking some Twitter questions as well. Let's do it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome to talking baseball. It's a nice Friday episode. We have officially switched or changed or whatever. Everything's been changing.

But the new pattern for talking baseball is going to be three episodes a week. We're going to try and do two interviews every single week and then have a little, like, just a little rap session, just 30 minutes talking about whatever news. there is what's going on, some Twitter questions maybe, just so there's another little episode for everyone listening at home, bored to death, stuck inside, missing baseball. My name's John Boy, and I got Jake and Trev with me. As always, how are you guys doing? Go for it, Jakey.

Everyone's looking at you, Big Daddy. You busted out a little, what are we calling this, Callie, Stone, or Sheik? I got to be honest. Look, we're an honest pod. On pod. We are an on pod, yes. I may have woken up early and tried to go back to sleep by microdosing. Oh, here we go.

So. Huge. Feeling great right now. Awesome. Fit for that. Good. Well, Peeb and jelly over here now. It was five MGs, bro.

Very small. Like I said, a microdose. It's a cup of coffee. Yeah. I fired you as my. drug dealer so I got the hookup elsewhere okay good because um I perused the uh my local dispensary and it's not slim pickings right now yeah so oh okay all right apparently we're apparently we're a drug podcast now can't believe it this used to be wholesome content you get the one

callie guy in here and he deludes the whole thing yeah real i'm sorry guys jake how jealous are you of trebs get up right now now. I like it. Any hat I'm going to struggle with because of my head issues. I'm really vibe in that shirt. That shirt's good vibes. That's what I was doing last night at my live res set.

As she went live, yeah, man, give a piece of chance. What's that? Is it a piece wheel? What's the arrow doing? I got this shirt downtown clear water. Okay. They had a little like farmer's market and this is like some art school. And man, you know, I just wanted to support them.

So I bought it. Here I am rocking it. It's like a pink tie-dye. Tie-dye. One that's just listening, which is a vast majority of our audience. Yeah. It's a pink tie-dye, like a little bit of blue in there. hints of blue.

It's a nice shirt. I can never pull it off, but I'm jealous that you can. It's all that attitude, John Boy. You turn that around in one day and you could wear that shirt. No, no, I can't. See, there's the attitude again. I will say that anyone can wear this shirt. Yep.

How's everybody holding up at the Plufe household? We're rocking and rolling, man. You know, I, we've got two kids, two small kids. So we have been going in the pool every single day because if you're a parent, you know, you just got to tire these kids out. They're balls of energy. You've got to release that somehow. So the pool has been great for us.

Big news in the ploof household. I'll share on the pod. Oh. No, not like that, but not that big. Okay. But I taught my son how to ride a bike yesterday, no training wheels. Wow. Did he skip?

Big step. Did he skip training wheels or you just got to next step? past training wheels. Yeah, he's had training wheels. He's four years old, so it was time. And he took to it pretty quickly, which was nice. That's awesome. Congratulations, Trevor. It's on my IG story if you want to see him riding.

It's pretty sweet. It's pretty cool. Now he's got freedom. He's going to go hit up the Kardashians' house when you're not looking. I'm trying. I'm trying to get that arranged marriage, man. Set that up. Nope.

Yeah. Well, how old is, what's there, Northwest? I don't know the ages. I mean, I know they have like four kids, so they got to be close. Someone's got to be close. Someone's got to be close. Does age really matter in Hollywood? Who cares?

No. It's all about family connections. Are we seeing any swimming potential in either of your kids? Teddy can swim. He takes swimming lessons, so he's great. Little Isla, she is two and does not know how to swim. So. But she loves it.

They love the pool. If you have a pool, you know, it's just the most of me. Is Isla beat up Teddy? I'm guessing you guys don't have a pool in New York. No, no pools here. Nope, no. If it rains enough, you can hang out on the subway and swim a little. By me.

Yeah. Guys are welcome to come out. Jake and I had a catch in my living room the other day. Gloves on each hands, throwing a baseball back and forth about, maybe 12 feet away from each other. So we play baseball. That's pretty good. Yeah.

Jake was breaking off. Lick your hands. Some mean knuckle balls, yeah. Nuckler was dancing. Were you guys going like this? Like, and just touching the ball and then touching your face? Yeah. A lot of that.

I was licking my fingers, getting some pine tar. I wanted to get the right movement on it, you know? A lot of like the cold air breathing into the hand to warm it up. Like we're joking, obviously. But you guys, That's right up your alley. Like I would... How come there's no knuckleballers that are like 5-7?

Is there not? There's not. I think you need big hands. They're all like failed pitchers, like Wakefield, well, failed like real pitchers. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, man. Did you ever face a knuckleballer? Of course, yeah.

Faced a bunch. R.A. we faced. Wakefield. Took him over the Green Monster. My bad. Oh, wow. Thanks, BDD's got the video. What was the prep for?

Did you have like a coach that would like throw knuckle balls and BP beforehand? Is there any different? No. No, honestly, man, you face a knuckleballer and it's just like, you might as well not hit BP that day. It's just kind of like a free-for-all because it's just so different. You can't really plan for it. I loved it.

I freaking loved it. And I don't know, like, if my hand eye was good. So I just felt like I could swing and it's going to hit it. But pure knuckleballer loved it. The guys that were, like, throwing, still throwing, like, 85, 86, maybe like a slider and they were throwing the knuckleball only 60% of the time. Didn't love that. That was like, all right.

Yeah. So when you have that, you can't just sit on a knuckleball. But Wakefield. It is kind of cool knowing what's. coming every time. Yeah, I mean, their job is to present it as a strike and hopefully it ends up not a strike and you swing at it. But those guys, man, if they're off, it's just, it's awesome.

Did coaches say anything? Like, did you get the, if it's high, let it fly. If it's low, let it go? Or is it just like, hey, you're going to have three at bats, whatever happens happens. I mean, you watch the guys. Like, you knew kind of their tendencies. He's still scouted and he did your homework on him. But, I mean, generally, yeah, the rule is get it up.

You know, if you get to, if you get to, a lot of the guys were doing the fastball stuff. So if you get to account that, you know, like, they like to throw a fastball in, you let it loose then, too. What do you think your career numbers are versus Wakefield? What are my career numbers against Wakefield? Yeah, you got one home run. I honestly have no idea for Wakefield because that, I feel like I kind of. couldn't have faced him too much. Yeah.

Well, I don't know. So the Rays were doing this thing, and they might still be doing it, but they came up with this, I don't even know what you call it, this knuckleball time share. They wanted the knuckleballer at every level because they found in their research that But the day after you face a knuckleballer, you have trouble facing a regular pitcher. So they were trying to just put these guys in, not just for them because they had decent numbers, but for the day after as well. So at one point, and this is only a year or two ago, they had a knuckleballer at every level.

So the pitcher that followed Wakefield, he's got inflated stats. That's what you're telling me. According to the raise. He owes Wakefield some money. We love the Ray's front office, so I trust them. Our boy, Heim, is just the evil genius. It's interesting. That is an interesting tidbit, Treve.

I appreciate you sharing that knowledge. It's a good way to hype up a prospect, man. Throw them after the knuckleball or get them some big stuff. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure we could kind of look it up and see exactly what they were thinking. Or maybe that was just me being in the Ray's organization and finding that out. I don't know if that was public knowledge. Yeah. Damn.

It is now. All right. The big actual news in baseball right now, and I'm sure that some of the Twitter questions talk about this, is that they just came out and said that any suspension, if there's no games played this year, or if there's 20 and then a World Series or 50 than a World Series, any full season suspension, any suspension is good.

It counts, just like service time. They're treating suspension is the same as service time. I know you disagree, Trev. I know I disagree. Jake presented the other side on our radio show, John Boyd Jake Radio, but I don't think he actually agreed with the other side. I presented the other side.

That's what I said. That's all I said. You're just playing it. Trevor, Trevor made a face. Yeah. For me, and I'll just repeat the spiel that I already did,

it's so stupid because the whole point of suspending someone is that they have to sit out while other people play. And they have to watch. them play while they aren't allowed to play. And if that never takes place, they never really got suspended. So, you know, Domingo Hermann for the Yankees has suspended 81 games because he was a bad guy. He deserved his punishment. Uh, if the Yankees season is only 40 games and now he's good and he, you know, that counts. Like that doesn't make sense for me at all. It doesn't, because you don't want to know why? Because it doesn't make sense. So Trev, what do you got on

this? Well, I was, um, I was, um, I was reading up on it and I I want to say that the players who have to serve suspensions I don't think this counts for them I think this was specifically the Astros front office that this is no we're talking about yeah they're not at all suspensions they can't do that and I could be I could be totally wrong about this but um what I was reading was because in the wording of the suspension from Manfred the wording was these suspensions will last until the final out of the 2020 world series yeah so because of that well they're saying well we play a season short in season no season whatever it is you know whenever this world series is supposed to happen then the

suspension's over the guys that are suspended it specifically states the amount of games they have to serve well okay so if If it's 80 games, 81 games, they got to serve the 81 games. That's even more frustrating because then you're literally just giving a life raft to the guys that cheated the game. Like, I mean, then you're specifically helping out those guys who are supposed to be like, you know, if they did an umbrella, anyone that's suspended, it doesn't count. I vehemently disagree, as I just said, because I think that's stupid. but to just choose those guys and say, no, but it makes it even worse. I'm more mad.

I can't even form words. Jake, you talk. Yeah, this is more of a loophole that I think is being referenced right now that because of Trevor saying the way it was phrased that at the end of the 2020 World Series, their suspension's over. So depending what the hell that looks like this year, you know, that could be over for Hinch and Luneau. And again, this is sources told only that. So apparently, you know, and we we respect Buster Only.

He's one of the short kings of baseball reporting. So I'm guessing he got it from reliable people that this is at least being discussed or potentially needs to be addressed. But yeah, I mean, my only thing I was reaching at when me and John Boy talked about this earlier was that I could kind of see it from the player side a little bit because if you start, I was just thinking of service time and stuff. Like if Domingo Hermann, you know, like we were saying, he was 81 games. He served some at the end of last year.

I think he had 63 remaining or something like that. You know, if this season went on or if this season got canceled and then he missed his 63 games next year, you know, his service time is all sorts of messed up. Now, again, he kind of deserved that to a degree. I mean, he definitely deserved it to a degree. but I thought maybe service time and there were some details in there. But yeah, I mean, this loophole is sounds like the definition of a loophole. We don't really know. Yeah, yeah.

So the one article. Including the players. Yeah. The one I read seemed like it was umbrella, all of them. Either way, it's, it's so stupid. It goes against punishing a guy. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Mike Trout is suffering through not being able to play this year.

it's not the same as being suspended. It's every single player can't play this year whether you're suspended. It makes no sense. It really makes no sense. I've asked this question to a few people in baseball and I've gotten some different answers. I'm curious to see what you guys think.

We may have touched on this before, but do you think A.J. Hinch slides right back into the game? I'm very interesting to see. Do you think it's somewhere else as a bench coach or possibly somewhere in player development or baseball ops. Like where do you think he slots in after this year? Oh, I think it's manager or nothing. Or manager, bench coach or nothing?

For his sake or you think just in general? Yeah, because I think it's blackballed or completely not blackballed. And then someone's, if he's not blackballed, someone's going to make him their manager or bench coach. You know, I don't think there's like. The Astros can't bring him back. No. I wouldn't be surprised if they do, but I don't think they can.

No, I think I think black balder bench coach. I think we've seen we've seen a couple managers bounce back from some stuff They ease into the bench coach role. I mean obviously this is a different scenario but I know like didn't didn't run Washington have some some like drug issues. It did some coke. That's a little bit of cocaine. Yeah, which again, I mean we're apparently a drug podcast now because of Trevor but you know

I get he he slid back into like an assistant coaching role. So I think and I think that's just. that's going to be so much easier for Hinch, if he's not blackballed, which he may be, because if a team just hires him straight up as the manager, I mean, that's going to be an absolute circus. If you bring him as a bench coach, there's a little bit of a circus to start, and then it goes away, and then you just get used to see in the face again, and that's how you get your next opportunity. I agree with you.

So I'll change my mind going on what Jake said. It's bench coach or blackballed. I don't think manager is an option because that is a nightmare. Just news and press conference. The only team that has bad enough PR to make him the managers the Astros. Yeah, they're like, whatever. Just roll it all together.

Roll it. But the man's baby coming in hot right there. You know, I don't see him coaching again. I don't think he'll be on the field. That's my opinion on this, is there is just too much of a distraction. Like, how much does this guy really offer? Like, they do you want to have the distraction?

So if he gets, if he's in baseball ops, say he's, he with the Stanford, smart guy, he's been around the game forever. Put him in baseball ops, hide his face, you know. These guys are, like, in their dark corners, research, whatever it is, whatever they do. I think that's his way back into baseball. I don't think he shows his face on the field again.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. It would be very interesting. The suspension stuff's crazy. They're suspended for a season. I mean, they just worded it wrong when they did the original release. They didn't prepare for a pandemic. What the fuck? They didn't.

Come on, baseball. Manfred, figure it out. Figure it out. We'll get our 100 games and it'll be good. Yeah, that's the next thing I wanted to do before we go to Twitter is just a state of our thoughts, like an optimism, pessimism, meter. and I'm really curious where Jake lands because I know where Trev and I land

I don't think the season's happening. I was two weeks ago I was like 1%. I'm almost at like 50%. I don't think there's any games. So Trev, where are you? I go back and forth. My original assessment of this a couple weeks ago,

I said July these times, sometime in July trying to play 100 games. I think that could still happen. I think there, if there's any chance for it to happen, it will happen just because how incentivized both sides are to get back on the field. Money plays, man. Like these people, the teams want to make money. The players want to make money.

So if they can get back on the field, definitely without fans. That's what I'm predicting. That won't happen, Trev. That's like not an option in my brain. In your brain. Yeah. I think 100% when they first come back, there will be no fans. But I don't think that'll, I don't think they'll come back without fans.

I don't think. Yeah. I'm saying, I don't think. Why not? Because money. That's a big hit to them. Yeah, but they got to, they got to, they got to do the TV deals. That's the money.

So they got to get right with those. That's like five teams. That's like five teams will break even. Because if they play games, say they play 100 games, they have to pay out the full salaries. They don't get to pay half of the salary of the player. And if they're not, you know, balancing that out with 50 or 20, fans every night.

That's a big, you know, the P&L sheet doesn't reflect positively if that's the situation. And we've seen some reports that baseball is saying they're not, they might not do no fans. So you go neutral site with fans. I don't think that the government's going to allow big gatherings. No, I don't either. I mean, I get what you're saying there. I get what you're saying there because, yeah, the payroll is, that's an interesting aspect of this whole thing. Now, I'd like to see what the TV revenue from each team is,

and then you can go and see which way these guys vote. I don't know where the numbers fall either, but that's what I tweeted out like they're going to get their calculators out and be like, okay, if we're not making any money from fans and tickets sold, what's our TV deal? You know, because it's not like, you know, the TV station can up the ad price. The networks can up the amount of ads because more people will be watching,

but not that much more, you know, in the grand scheme of how many people watch games without fans, everyone's going to watch on TV. But then that's like the networks deal. And then they, you know, so baseball could be like, hey, you up the ads and now we owe you more. I don't think that's going to happen. So I just think it's a lot more involved than people want it to be. And if you think, you know, they're going to play 15 games a night in empty stadiums and no team is going to make money, you have some teams here that really depend on that don't have big TV contracts.

So yeah, the Red Sox, the Dodgers, the Yankees, the Cubs probably, they have big TV deals. There's a lot of teams with bigger payrolls on players that they went all in this year, you know, or half in. And they're going to have to crunch numbers. I don't know the result, but for me, billionaires, we'll see if they care about the game or they care about their product. A little parentheses here, they care about the product. These owners don't give a fuck. Yeah, but I think that's where you're not letting your money. mind leave the box a little bit and this is this is what we're talking about in in past years with um

a they're going to be able to experiment like if they do play this year there there will definitely be an expanded playoff format which they've wanted anyways and then i think again keep going outside that box because like trevor's saying with the money and you're you're showing the negative side of it like get outside the box if we end up playing in four cities with neutral sites and we're doubling up on games, you know, we're rewriting this. And I think there's a way to make money off of it. And I think these guys, as you mentioned, like making money. So if there's money to be made, which there will be, they're going to figure out how to split up the pie and how to do some different things about it. But they're going to have to think differently this year. And I think if there's money to be

made, they will. Because that's what these guys like to do. Of course. I just don't think there's, for some owners, there won't be money to be made because, you know, If you go to one site, then you're splitting the gate, which is probably not going to be a lot of people because you can't, not going to have 50,000 people aren't going to be allowed in the same place throughout the summer. And then you're going to be splitting whoever is allowed. You know, like we said they go to college stadiums where there's 10,000 fans.

That's not going to deepen anyone's pockets or help out any owners, especially if they have to split it with the hosting site and the away team and all of that. Right. And the other option is if they don't play a single game, they don't have to pay a single player. So it's just a net neutral. It's not like they're losing money by not playing games. They're just neutraling out for a couple months.

The possibility of losing money is for some of these teams when they play full games and have to pay their full payroll. I'm curious to see if they think about fan engagement at all. I mean, obviously they do, but to what extent, if there's no product for an entire year, what does that do to the industry? Yeah, that's the big, that's a football comes back on.

I think that's the fair counter. It's like the valuation is the fair counter. Because, you know, does it harm the product? And it probably does for sure. I just think it's, it's tighter than people think. And the whole like, we're going to just resume the season, which is what I thought with no fans. Like I started talking to some people and crunching numbers

and they're like, I don't know. Some teams are going to vote against that. Because they don't have to pay any players. I did. I did read somewhere that there's penalties to teams from the networks if they don't play the games. So if that's the case, they're already is. Then they're incentivized to play. They have to pay back what that, yeah.

That already happened, right? Yeah, so that's another thing to the guy. Yeah, like you said, there's a lot of numbers to crunch. They're doing that. I mean, they are making sure that they can maintain profit as best they can or cut their losses. Yeah. So I'm, I'm just, the more I talk to people, the more I look at all that shit, the more I'm like, oh, wait, it's a possibility we don't play. Or, or, can I mean that.

Yeah. That's very much. That's very much out there. But I, I just think, again, think this, we're supposed to be. be in the peak or that's what some some of the experts think but these are all new experts and i do york is supposed to be in the peak it's all different everywhere right right right but i mean new york's the biggest place blah blah blah um you know this this is supposed to be the peak and uh you know i just think for the next two weeks four weeks things are going to be escalated but you know what what if it is

two weeks what if it's even four weeks and then we start coming downhill i just think once that light at the in the tunnel starts showing they're going to be able to figure something out and you said that owners aren't losing money i think what trevor mentioned with the tv deals owners are losing money right now and if they figure a way to make money which if there's games they will find a way to make money because i think all the gate stuff was 30% of their revenue you know they'll they'll still want that other 70% of the revenue yeah i um you wanted me to think outside the box jake right here we go I don't know if this is part of my microdosing that's helping me expand a little bit here, but I've thought of something that could work.

I'm ready. You ready for this? So ready. Where is the spot that has the most Major League ballparks within a three-hour span? Arizona. Perfect. Why don't we do this? Let's get all the teams together.

hopefully there's enough tests to go around by then say in a month two months let's what's american industry let's go let's get this going we test every single player all the players that come back negative they go on to the commune we we set up a big ranch a Olympic village if you will that houses all the players that are negative for COVID-19 we get all the teams together and then boom we run like a round robin tournament or a bracket tournament and we know the guys are negative they're isolated in the the Olympic village if you will and we play games yeah that's what i i don't know we've been talking on so many different forms but that's where i'm at is either no games or some weird round robin one month thing in september october and it's like not you know it's

totally different like that that's where i'm leaning like a schedule where we play like 80 games and you're going city to city and there's 50,000 fans and each like that is not happening. You can't travel like that. You can't do that. And they're going to have to test all these players. You see what happened in Japan. There was a couple guys that tested positive. The whole team had to be quarantined. So if that happens in the major league in the major league baseball season, that's going to be a shit show. So all of these guys are going to have to be tested. They're going to have to like be in some sort of isolation. You run the risk of like one dude going to the grocery store and getting it and now you have a hotbed of all of your

investments in one place that's what i'm saying you got to like we got to you would have to like it'd have to be like biodome where you're like fucking seriously quarantine them you guys are all over it and Trevor i got one step further outside the box for you you come to check in you get you take your five minute test which we'll have plenty of in two months and then you either go to the clean camp or the dirty camp and there will be a we'll have a dirty corona camp getting loose too and you play with all the sick people just one hotbedded just playing to get each other just keeping it just stretching out the arms sick you know it's it'll be like the civil war camps the civil war p o war p o w camps they just made baseball leagues and the guards were like the

commissioners and then like all the prisoners had a league going um it's jake's dream job when we did laughs from the past on a civil war. Jake was like, I think I found my role in the Civil War. I'd be a guard. Civil War baseball player guard. Yeah. I mean, this is a fascinating time they were in because literally nobody knows what's going to happen.

No. Like nobody. No. When it comes to something like this, like what are the major sports leagues going to do? Anybody that's running these leagues, guess what? They have no fucking clue. All of us talking about it, we have. have no fucking clue no clue and that's a weird place to be in i mean we are we we should know things

like that typical normal life we know things like that what's going to happen we have these contracts these you know we have these deals that span 10 years and now all of a sudden we're like do are you can't play any of these sports it's kind of funny that's why like all the reports of like the players want to play it's like oh that doesn't matter it doesn't matter oh that holds no weight And that's where the timeline, A, obviously the actual Corona stuff runs everything, but it's has, has MLB made arbitrary dates where they have to make decisions by? And also, like, jump into this world with me because I'm, I'm the quote unquote optimist in this conversation. What if in a month from now, Phil and Tiger play a one-on-one golf tournament,

the United States is in a lot better place, and Tiger and Phil's one-on-one golf tournament, is one of the highest rated things ever because this country is going to be so hungry for live sports. That would be fucking unbelievable. Yeah, it would be awesome. They could put a $50 million purse because some company would pay that.

Oh, yeah. Because every single person on the planet would be watching it. All the golf is being watched. And then I think the creative hats really come out because they know if they can get, Get the product up there. People will eat it up.

Would you love, I got, oh man, we are just going now. My brain is open. I mean, look at this outfit. My brain is open today. You're so open right now. Can we get a one-on-one? Let's get Garrett Cole, Mike Trout, nobody else on the field.

Bang, bang, let's go give me your best shit. I would love that. You could just do the game like that, a series of one A-Bs. Nobody, like Ghostrunners. No fielders. You just kind of call if it's an out or a hit. You'll just be given anything towards shortstop.

You'll say, hey, if Jeter was out there, it would have been a hit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that running jump throw, that ball was only like five feet to his right. My God. Dude, six foot four in nights, but whatever. Oh. Hey, Ploof, you know your buddy, Dan Gladden?

I do. So, dazzle. We were watching, we're watching the World Series on YouTube. And I think today, 1987 got posted. And we did all the way until 1997. So in the last two days, we just binge recorded him. But the 1991 World Series, we saw Gliden. And we're like, oh, that's the dude we met in the dugout.

He won the World Series. Do you ever, do you know this? His hustle double. Yeah. Won it. And I got like chills. He's the best. Jake called it an announcer's double.

Like that's how you get an announcing gig. There's a couple guys around baseball that they have these big signature moments that get them either a manager's job or an announcing gig. The Aaron Boone Homer against the Red Sox. Dave Roberts. I mean. Dave Roberts. Yeah. You need, you need to have a moment.

Look, the guy is incredible. He's the one media member that was always welcome in the clubhouse, around the cage, anything. This guy, you know, he could do whatever he wants there. Not only because of that moment, like, obviously that's really awesome, but just the kind of guy he is. You guys met him. He's hilarious. And he's been at radio for a long time. He's got a great gig there, man.

Him and Corey Provost do a great job. And he, like I said, dude, like I'll talk to him, I'll chop it up. And I would just kind of have a conversation like I was talking to a teammate because he just had that persona. Like he was great. Always positive. And, you know, every once in a while, he'll, he'd call you out if you needed to be called out. But it was warranted, which is cool. Jake, was it a Braves World Series when they won and the last out was a bunt?

Or was it a twins? Oh, that, that sucked. he like I don't know what it was but what year was go watch do Otis Nixon made the out so the Braves lost to the twins someone in 93 the twins yeah so is the twins yeah Mike Mike Timlin came in big Mike Timlin you know was it 87 that's when Gladden scored the game winning run yeah because he has hustle double started it off yeah what's crazy is like you know everybody knows like the walk-off hits of the world series you can like name them but like that one goes

very like understated well i don't even know the guy's name oh it was um eager that's crazy though iorg iorg you iorg um the world series stuff jake and i learned a lot which is actually really good you know if we want to talk about baseball we're learning a ton but there's one world series the last out there's two outs the tying run is on third base, Trev. And the dude bunts for a base hit. And the pitcher just fields it and gets him out. And it broke our heart.

Like you slap one past an infielder. The game's tied. You're purposely bunting in front of the infielder. Broke our heart. I mean, we like just go into like sad. I'd have to know who it is and how many bun hits he had that year. I mean, we looked it all up. He was fast.

He had 40 steals. But still. Yeah. Otis Nixon. I mean, it was part of his game. The guy from third still has to score, too. So it's not like you're just trying to get on to start a rally. Like, if the guy doesn't get a good read on the ball.

Smoltz was pinch running. Smoltz. He was pinch running. That's stupid then. Because, I mean, come on. It's not an easy read for a guy at third base. Like if you're going to go. You're going to go, but like, at what point are you just like running into an out? It's not a great play.

I think it was the Blue Jays, Jake. Yeah, because I remember a young Hanson Mike Timlin came in and I was like, oh, daddy. Yeah, Jimmy, yeah, Mike Timlin replaced Jimmy Key and it was the Blue Jays in 90. Go check it out on YouTube, people. And a couple days when it comes out. Check it out. It's crazy. I found my new favorite. Yeah.

The twins fans that I have will really enjoy be watching some of that stuff. Oh, okay. Tom Kelly. Yes. How many interactions? actions have you had with him? A zillion. Does he have a pulse?

Yeah. What do you mean? Trev, you got to, I mean, I'll text you. I'll text you when this video comes out. I don't know what day, the 87 World Series. No, wait. What was the first Twins World Series? 87.

So maybe it's out today. Maybe it's today's video. You got to. Or is it 89 and 91? 89 is the Bay Area. So it's 87 and 91. Yeah. So, dude,

Tom Kelly just didn't show any emotion, man. 91 and 93. I think it is. He is, he's incredible. He, I mean, I'd have to watch the games, but he shows a lot of emotion

in every other facet of life. So I can't imagine. I mean, I guess maybe he's just trying to. No, no. So the whole game, they show, the Cardinals and LaRusa and everyone,

and they're strategizing and they're talking, and then they would show Kelly in the twins, and he's just sitting by himself, just kind of. And then when they get the last out, they have the coach cam, and usually the coaches are hugging or they're running on the field. It just stayed sitting.

Yeah, someone asked him about that. He said that he wanted to see his team celebrate in front of him. Like, that was the joy that he got. It didn't look joyful. It was very weird. It was cracking us up. And then they, in the post game, they asked him about it. Different guy.

They ask him about it. And he's like, he holds the trophy. He goes, good job, guys. So that's like exactly the opposite of who he actually is. Like if you ever met him, he would talk to your ear off. He's very like boisterous. I mean, I have a zillion stories. Like this guy, this is kind of who he was.

So he, he's all over. spring training. He would come to affiliates every once in a while, but spring training was his time to shine. So if you're on the backfield, say you're in the minor leagues, and you could be a big league or just

if you're on the backfields, he'd be on the damn field during the game. It didn't matter if it was an inter-squad game or if it was an actual game against another team, another organization. He was on the field,

and his expertise was that he taught first base, like how to play first base defensively. That was like his thing. So he would go out during the game. He'd stand right behind you and he'd have his hand like on your shoulder

and he'd kind of like tug you like which way like to go. He would grab the back of your pants and kind of just like be there and the entire time would be like talking to you about you know, you need to get lower. You need to do this, do that, do that. He was really knowledgeable about it. But he was very, it was a Tom Kelly show. Nice. You know, he wanted to be out there

and he was moving around. And this was a guy like me, a scrub minor leaguer, you know, just like playing first base because we needed the first baseman. And even like Moreno, this guy was an incredible first baseman. Tom Kelly didn't give a shit. He was going to be there. He was going to be grabbing Moreno's belt loops, telling him which way to lean on this pitch. Incredible. Incredible guy.

So it's really funny for you to have that image of him being like stoic and quiet because that's like the opposite of what he did. Not even stoic, just straight up didn't care. Didn't know where he was He was in check I don't know Have you seen of him Feeding the Batting practice machine

With a cigar And like Zuba pants No But I'm gonna go Big Baby Dave Get that picture up man Can you do that? I'm in charge of that

Tom Kelly Feeding baseball Did you do Tom Kelly cigar Yeah there it is You'll see He's incredible dude I mean yeah

This is a fantastic picture I'll throw it up now I just saw a tweet from Sunny Gray who said he's never eaten so many uncrustables in his life, which is a hot update for everyone at home. That's gross. Incrustables are disgusting. Yeah, I liked incrustables like for a second. And then I quickly didn't, like I grew out of them and realized they were pretty disgusting.

He's got to have kids or something, right? Yeah, I would think so. I mean, yeah, we have them too, but like, they're like for literally the apocos. Well, hey. Hello. We're here. We're not that far, guys. Let's relax.

Here you go. Anything about that, Jake. Yeah. Oh, I've been staring at it. I'm mesmerized. That's everything I'm about in baseball. Yeah, he's a stud. Yeah.

Good stuff. All right. Do we have anything else before we go to these Twitter questions? We could have 42 minutes already. What the fuck? All right. We're running hot. Do you want to announce that I'm officially part of the team?

Are we just going to just forget about that? They know already. Trev is officially part of John Boy Media. We can tweet it out. This is like our fourth announcement. I know. I just, I want the shine on me, bro. I know.

We'll give you the big one. And we're working on our, Treve is working on a really fun show of his own. So be on the lookout for that. Yes. All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks for that. That's nice.

We'll tweet it out to. We'll do a big announcement. Beautiful. We'll have the editors put together just a sizzle reel of all of our finest moments from spring training. Oh. They didn't find in some clips of me from back in the day that are pretty fine. Let's do that. Let's put Trevor Ploof's baseball and his commentating highlights and make an official announcement video.

All right. BPD. Send the editor that idea. Send it out. make me look good. Come on, guys. We should actually hand that. We should hand that to Zach, not the others. Anyway.

Quaranturo, Playoff Glaber says, what is the dream for y'all in this podcast, which is a big open-ended heavy question that I don't have an answer to. So if you guys have answers? Become Tom Kelly. Become Tom Kelly?

My goal is to become Tom Kelly. What's our dream for the podcast? Like what we want it to become? My dream was attained pretty much. I wanted to get an office and have players be able to come and hang out before and after games and do interviews and get Trevor as a co-host. That was a longtime dream of mine. And we did it all. So now we just got to ride it out and grow it and have some fun.

Get back to the office. Get back to the office. That'll be good for you. I'm happy that I was able to fulfill a dream for you. That's nice. Yeah. I'm really getting, this is a really positive episode for me. I don't know.

I think that we are, we're on the right trajectory for what we want to do. Yeah, I mean, just talk about baseball, honestly. We need baseball back. That'll help our dream a lot. Like, I really,

I don't think we need it. Like this year we can get by and we're going to have fun with it, but I would freaking love to be breaking down games and it bats and, you know, I said, I talked to somebody about this.

yesterday like I would love to see the shitty teams that's that started out hot to come on here and just like crush their dreams and just imagine that they're not actually not a good team we call that the two-week mariners they just and then I'd go on a rant I'd go on a rant about how good Jordan yamamoto's going to be for the marlins this year I mean it'd be beautiful yeah yeah maybe the marlins come out hot we're like dude maybe this is their time and I'm going to say no it's not their fucking time five deep in the NL East. We all start crying.

I'm going to try and ask the quicker answer questions and the long open-ended ones. Best and worst names in baseball. I know Jake is a big Balboni guy. Steve Balbony. I mean, we're doing all time. Yeah, I think best and worst names. Just whatever comes your mind.

Like Rusty Cunce, I think, is one people really enjoy. Because that's ridiculous. He's a good guy, too. Really nice guy. I mean, you know what's like, this is a question I've never actually thought about. You know what? There's a lot of funny names, Dick Tidro,

but Mickey Mantle for me, like that name was just destined to be on someone who would make it a famous name. Like you're not going to name a guy Mickey Mantle and then he's just a farmer and you don't know him anymore. Like it's for me, I don't know, just screams bright lights. Mickey.

The myth. it's cool. Yeah, I think that worked out. I don't even know how to say that. Yeah, no, that's tough. I think where you go with that, Trevor, is literation. Because I think you could even say, how about, here's a deep cut.

How about someone like David DeLucci? I mean, that's a good baseball name. Good literation, good Pison on the end there. Yeah, that does nothing for me. But like, you know, you put your awards on the mantle. Mickey's fun. Sounds like a nickname. It's his real name.

All right. I don't got one. I've not I got a funny Let's bring Tom Kelly back into this Because the twins broadcaster Is named Dick Bremmer It's been there forever

And he likes being called Dick Like he wants to be called Dick And Tom Kelly We'll get in the booth sometimes And we'll only call him Richard Like he only refers to him as Richard And I know that Dick doesn't like it But Tom

That's like the only thing he'll offer two minutes It's amazing It is a freaking alpha You know it's a great name in baseball now Aaron Bummer. Cracks me up every time. Bummer. Such a downer.

It's a bad name. It's such a fun name. Johnny Dickshot. Ugly Johnny Dick Schatz a really good name. Yeah. I'm trying to think of one. I'm like, oh, that's a good name, but I don't know.

Scooter Gannett. That's like a weird baseball name, right? Yeah. Scooter's pretty good. Dick Paul. That's a name. I'm on a website now. Scary.

Get off that website. Jim, you got. got like a movie name like a made up sounding name like jimmy o'brien like you're like the uh irish it's uh yeah but it's common like there's a basketball coach in indiana named jim o'brien i think there's a writer named jim oh no it's tim o'brien like if you were a character in uh the departed like i'd like yep yeah i was just watching a cold case files while we were painting the walls and there was two pedophile rapist brothers named Tim and Jim O'Brien. I was like, fuck.

And Jimmy O'Brien was the ringleader. He's in jail right now. It's like, God damn it. That's a tough one, yeah. Yeah. It's brutal. Maybe we'll go by James from now on. Just really can do that one out.

John boy, baby. What old school team logo should replace their current logo? You want to go the Padres back to like the swinging friar? No. So bad. The Phillies had some bad ones I don't like the detailed ones I like just like

regular like letters I think that's the best one when people start making these dumb logos it's all the minor league logos like they are minor league logos you can't change them

but what about what about the MB for the brewers like that's a great logo with baseball glove yeah it's just letters so I like that but it looks like a baseball glove

so it's yeah yeah I like the one I would the old school you need that I do like is like the Orioles bird. I do dig that one. So that'd be mine. I would have to like look at like a little more than the years. I really like the Marlins old logo. It was just like an F with the fish through it.

Yeah. It's a good hat. It is a good hat. It's like every little leaguer's hat. The worst logo. The worst. was the angels when they had like the silver bill and like the wings coming down.

That was so bad. They went from the CA with the halo to that. It's like that was not it. I like their current ones. Like logos back in the day when they were like people are weird. Like though there's this old angels one where it's like a guy carrying a bat that says angels and the swinging friar. Not about that.

We saw some bad ones. Would you rather have Lou Pinella the player or Lou Pinella the manager? I'm going to pass on this one. Yeah, it's tough. Do you have any sweet Lou run-ins, Trevor? I probably did, but I don't remember. Yeah. I don't remember.

I mean, I'll go player because the manager, he kind of always had the mean scowl and was like classic baseball tough guy. I think teammate, you want that on your team manager, you want the fun. I want Tom Kelly. Yeah. Okay, good. Here's a weird one. I don't know if you guys are going to be into this or not into this, but Manfred changes the rules,

and this is from Braves Marla, a friend of the program. Manfred changes the rules and suddenly baseball is played on ice with skates. What position would be the hardest to play and the easiest? So I'll go first because I've thinking about it longer, so I'll give you guys some time. I'm going to take pitcher straight out of the equation because I think that's the easy hardest. So, yes.

I think for easiest, I'm actually going center fields and catcher. Because either you're going full speed or you're just sitting there. Catcher's just a goalie. That's the easiest one. Yeah, I think this is the easiest one. I think like first base might be tough, just going choppy steps, like grapevining back and forth and weird foot movements. Center field would be a fucking blast.

I think anybody that could actually skate would find that very easy. Like you put hockey players out there and set them up like a baseball field. I don't think any position is particularly hard. No. I think the end field would be the hardest. Outfield would be fun. I think even pitchers not too bad. You dig in that skate.

And I mean, you're going one way. I think the scariest part would be after you throw your heading towards home plate. So that would be a little terrifying. Oh, middle infielder on slide. That would suck. Guy comes to break in a double play. Yeah, that would suck. It would be great.

We used to play, like, you know, I think a lot of hockey teams played football on the ice after practice. You could do some fun stuff, but like being the defenseman and going backwards kind of sucked. I'm trying to think. I mean, I grew up in Southern California.

So hockey is not a strong suit. Wow. For me. I played roller hockey in the neighborhood. We need a good Trevor Microdose question. Okay, how about this one? This is from Cali PhD. How's your day going?

I'll start this off. It's going great. The microdose thing, you know, I thought it was funny to mention it. I got to say, not a fan because I didn't feel anything. You should try a macro microdose. Yeah, I need to like, my microdose was too micro. Yeah. Just keep turning it up and see where you land, you know?

Oh, Jake, here's a question. question we may have some opinion on now is when did fans start wearing caps and jerseys to games instead of formal wear and you know jake and i started watching the world series 1972 we're all the up to 1997 and i got to say we're not at the point where you see a lot of jerseys in the crowd yeah but i mean it's it's not formal wear like they're talking about like early yes i'm saying we're in the middle section like it didn't go from formal wear to jerseys um because i mean how How sweaty were those people in the formal wear? Like, what were you thinking?

I don't get it, man. It blows my mind. The wool. They're not even wearing like light clothes. They're wearing heavy wool in suits and shit. Just gross and sweaty all the time. It doesn't make any sense to me. If you go back in time, it always sucks.

Yeah, I agree. I want to live in the roaring 20s. No, you don't because you don't want to be in your sweaty wool suit all the time. Yeah, everyone's disgusting. There's no sanitization. And the depression's right around the corner. Come on. Dude.

I just watched There Will Be Blood again for the second time. What a movie. It's crazy. My goodness. Daniel Day Lewis is just an absolute beast. Good actor, but he's a cheater. Jim hates method actors. Yeah.

No, no. I don't think it should be impressive. I don't think you should say, and he's a method actor, and that adds to his ability. I think it should lessen his, like, Leonardo O'Caprio is a great actor, and in between scenes, guess what? He can just be his normal self.

That's more impressive. A method actor is actually less impressive. You can't go back and forth, so you're not acting. You're just becoming someone for six months. I've given this rant a lot. Okay, I get what you're saying, but I think Daniel D. Louis is a better actor. then Leo then Leo I love Leo he gets

they're both of the same out he's just cool like that's what he has going for him same thing with Brad Pitt no Leo's got cool you see you remember shutter Island when the scene in what in the water with his family like that's impressive I think they're both the same he's a great actor I just think Dan DeLuis is something else man yeah he bugs me he's like my kids don't even know I'm an actor

they think I'm a woodsman because all I do at home is cut trees shut up man you end up on John Boy's wrong side you're stuck there dude no I'll watch any Daniel Day Lewis movie because he's very good actor I just don't think you should get positive points for being a method actor I think it's actually less points it the movie just really reminded me like I feel like there's so much like poorly produced poorly acted content out there right now because everyone there's just like so many vehicles for it so everyone's just pumping it out like a good

actor makes the film. Well, that's what I was, Jake and I were talking about with the new Tarantino movie. It's called Once Upon That Time in Hollywood. I was worried going into it that it was very clearly going to be Leo and Brad Pitt. But then halfway through, I lose both of them into the character. I'm like, that's how good they are. They're good. That's a great movie.

My goodness. I love that movie. I think it was really good. Brad Pitt just plays, I mean, he just plays himself like a cool ass. It was just doing Johnny Knoxville's voice the whole time. Like the whole like bit with the dog. Like what a, that's so hilarious, dude. Yeah.

So good. Okay. I mean, we have a lot of questions. We might go back to those because a lot of them take actual time to think through. Anything else? Thurman Munson is a pretty, Mr. Pizza Face in the,

in the chat says, Thurman Munson is a pretty weird name. And it's kind of normal name. I think, I don't know, Maybe, but Jake called him Thurm the Worm in one of our YouTube videos. It's clearly a joke. And one of the commenters were like, oh, Jake goes, Thurm the Worm as he was called. And one of the people in the comments was like, he was never called that.

Well, now he was. Hey, spot the lie. What's, uh, what's, Trevor, send, send everybody off with one movie they should watch while they're in quarantine. I love that you ask this because I have one, like, ready to fucking go, dude. You got to have the chamber loading. Maybe the dose is working. I mean, I'm locked in today. So, perfect, it's a perfect quarantine movie.

Okay. Because the one thing in this country right now is sports. So it's a sports movie. But it's one that not a lot of people have seen, and it's not a typical sports movie. Okay. So, drum roll, da-da-da-da-da. You want me to give you a real drum roll? Yes.

Hunt for Red October. No? Not getting a drum roll. You're getting a drum roll. Just got to make sure the volume. I got to make sure I'm calling it the right thing. Okay, there we go. Warrior.

Oh, Warrior's fucking fantastic. If no one's seen Warrior, go watch it immediately. No one has seen it, Jim. I know because they've made his argument. They promoted it terribly, Trev. It's incredible because it loses a lot of people because it's a UFC-based movie. So right off the bat, you're like, people are like, I'm fucking out.

Because, you know, the Carrie is kind of a space, Monster Energy tattooed, like, Triple X type movie, but it's not that at all. And it's got great actors. Tom Hardy's in it. Who's the guy? Is the dad Mickey Rourke? Yep. Is that his name?

Yeah. And then the other guy. Joel Edgerton. I don't know his name. He's incredible as well. So it's got these great actors. and the storyline, man, you'll be happy, you'll be sad,

you'll be excited, it gets the juices flow. It's Nick Nulte, not Mickey Work, Mickey Work. So, yeah, Nick Nulte, that's exactly who it is. And that's my recommendation. You have to see this movie.

I watched it and Katie didn't want to watch it because she goes, I don't like UFC, which I think they promoted it as that. And it's like, it's not. It's about two brothers and a broken relationship. It's a very human movie.

And it just happens to be about UFC fighting. It's so good. It's so fucking good. A little trivia for you, Trev. They didn't know, without spoiling it, they didn't know how the end was going to happen, who was going to win, who was going to lose. But they knew what song they wanted to use for the final montage.

So the writers just sat in a room and listened to the song on repeat, just trying to visualize who wins, who loses, how's it goes. It's an incredible ending, too. It's an incredible ending. Yeah. Just like, man. I love that movie.

Have you seen it, Jake? I have not. Glad I asked. Oh, you got to go. You got to go. I think it's cheap. Like, you can go rent it for three bucks on Prime or something like that. The old $3.99 for HD, $2.99 for not HD?

HD every time. Let's go, guys. Let's step it up. We're show. I'm not watching something not in HD. Unless it's a World Series from 1982. You can't go back. All right.

Cool. Great, great movie recommendation from Treff. Thank you. Couldn't agree more. That ends this show. It's supposed to be half an hour. One, a full hour. Hope you enjoyed it.

See you later.