Talkin' Baseball (MLB Podcast) - 131 | Trevor's Got Tidbits

Episode Date: April 15, 2020

Plouffe offered up some tidbits he picked up around the league on the various proposals. What further financial implications could make baseball's return more challenging? Did you guys see the NBA HORSE contest? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to talking baseball. It is an episode. We're going to talk about the sport of baseball. Let's do it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to talking baseball. Myself, Jimmy, Jake, right next to me. Trevor Plouffe, he is in California.

A little midday show. We hope you enjoyed our interview with Jason Kendall. And if you didn't, that's on you. because that was a fantastic interview, and I think we all fell in love with that man for a little bit. But more importantly, Trev, how are you doing? I'll start with you. I'm doing great, and I agree with your assessment on the Kendall interview.

We talked right after how, like, we didn't even scratch the surface with the guy. Like, we talked about baseball and stuff, but really we wanted to go into, like, a little bit more about his mental space and kind of where he is, like asking him what his opinions is where we need to go next time. Yeah, Jake, how are you doing? I'm well. I'm well. I'm with you in the same room for the first time in 10 days, 11 days. Practicing our social distancing by keeping Trevor between us. And yeah, Jason Kendall is as good as it gets.

I think we all had a few questions prepared coming in, and we asked one and a half of them, and there's so much more. and I mean, you want him to manage your team and then I think you look back five years later and you're saying like, that was wild, huh? Trev, did you not know we were in the same room? I did know you were in the same room, but I just feel like maybe I should call Cumo on you guys

and get you arrested. What's Cuma? Well, we'll practice how you pronounce an Italian last name sometime because what the hell was that? That's how you said. I watched this press conference. I thought you were giving us some acronym or something. I was like,

what does Coomo stand for? I thought it was like a health board. I need to get you guys thrown in jail. Then me and BBD can just run this show on our own, which is my master plan. Eventually, you kind of offended my heritage with the way you pronounce that, to be completely honest with you.

How do I say, Cuomo? Cuomo. Cuomo. Yeah. Quo. I never. That doesn't sound Italian to me, but.

Wow. We both have pierced nipples, Fun fact. Didn't know that. Which one? Because there's two of them. Yeah. Three.

Jake's got three. Yeah. And the third is not where you think it is, Trev. Well, I was saying Cuomo. You guys were talking about nipples. Yeah. Baseball's here. You, Trev, you got all these non-New Yorkers keep telling Jake and I that we can't go outside,

or at least telling me I can't go outside, like they think that groceries and laundry don't exist. It's very, very, very, very, very, very normal. So anyone that listens, it's impossible to not go. You can run errands. What do you mean? I still do. This is an errand by Jake. Yeah, he's running an errand, I guess.

Spread your hand out. Let me see how far you guys are. Go. Either you have a huge wingspan or I don't like it. It's a huge wingspan. It's the longest my arm's ever been. Plead the fifth on that. So we were kind of discussing what are we talking about today?

there's not much brand new news and i think that there's been some new reports and jake and i kind of did this on jjr yesterday but i think you're on the same page ploof where that cactus league and and grapefruit league came out it was fun to ponder for a little bit but in the end it's another like ah there's a lot of hiccups there we heard uh that that that's like not real at all like It hasn't come up yet. It was not discussed within baseball. Then the Japan thing comes out. So from my standpoint, I think Jake's with me,

and I think you're with me, we're done with all of these new ideas. I'm not giving any of them any more attention. Is that where you're out as well? Yeah, you know, the Japan thing's ridiculous. Okay. That one's just gone. The Cactus League, Grateful League,

I think it has more merit than the, all Arizona. I agree with you there. And I do think they probably discussed it because it sounds to me like they're just discussing all possibilities. You know, and I guess in a roundabout way,

all they're really trying to do is have people continue to talk about baseball. That's smart PR. They want people to talk about things. So I would say until we're back with a firm date, we're going to get stupid tidbits like that. just to drop some excitement, just to get idiots like us talking about it.

I agree. And but I'm out. Because now it's clear that that's what's happening. And they're not actually discussing these things in MLB. They're just throwing them out to the masses. And we joked that if the Japan news, they just needed to sit on that for another week and give us one idea a week. But because they gave us two ridiculous ideas within the same week, it's like, I now see through you, reporters, and I'm out.

I'm not entertaining a thing for a long time. It's like when you have a dog and you're playing fetch and you fake throw the ball. First time, the dog's like, whoa, what just happened? Second time, it's like, wait a second, you're not throwing the ball. So I'm not really going to run. That's kind of where you're at right now. They faked you out twice. Yeah, the third time he just runs around your back and finds it behind your hand.

Jake, if he was a dog, I think might fall for it a few more times. Yeah, I mean, thank you guys for your dog tips as the only dog owner here. Shut your butts. And B, I think, and again, this is where I differ from you guys a little bit, I think the Arizona plan is the only plan that's actually been discussed somewhere in the walls of baseball. Commissioner Plouffe brought it to our attention. And again, I think the details on this. that were, I mean, ludicrous, the, you know, people abandoning their families and everything.

But I still do think there's something, that's the closest realm, because I still think you can make something work out. You have to change a lot of the details. But again, where things fall apart for me with even the Florida-Arizona plan, fake Florida-Arizona plan, is that you've completely changed baseball. And then I think players are just tapping out. Like, Why risk that? If you could somehow get everyone in Arizona, play 80 games and still have your teams and play the teams in your division, like you can make that legitimate. And I guess that's where me and John Boy mostly differ because I still think they can

get something legitimate. We're actually closer because I think it's exhibition season and then I think once that comes, it's just they're going to say this isn't worth it. But you still think a real semblance is a possibility where I don't. I think they can mimic it enough. But yeah, and then I think the problem for me is once they get into that realm, I think we'll still get something, but you'll have players dip. I think if you're Garrett Cole, why risk it?

If you're any of the players that make real money, why are you doing any of this exhibition stuff? Yeah, that kind of brings us to what I alluded to before we started this show. Travis, Travis Hot Scoops. Treves Hot Scoops. I'm just getting tidbits, guys. See, this isn't who I saw it out to be. So you want it to be called Trev's tidbits, officially, this segment?

Do you want an intro sound for Trev's tidbits? It's more like little birdies. Do you guys know, Trevor Rosenberg and Game of Thrones got his little birdies? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or is that Varus? Varus. Veris says the little birds. I just feel like I got little birds, and I don't really want them, but I'm just getting tidbits.

Okay, so I thought I would share one with you. Okay, tidbit number one. Go. It goes along with you talking about with Garrett Cole and you're saying, is it worth it to him? And what we've consistently preached on this show is that both sides are incentivized to get this season done because there's money to be made. And one thing we thought was interesting was how easily the Players Association was able to get MLB to commit to giving guys a full year. service time regardless of the amount of games we played. That seemed a little too easy, right? Sure. Yeah, I thought so. I thought it was a big win at the time. I was like, whoa, they got that

easily. Well, I started thinking about it. And now that I got this little piece of information that I'm about this chair, there's a reason for that, right? MLB, the owners, they already have their books ready for next year and the year after. They understand what their payroll is going to be, what they want to spend, all that. They don't just fly by the seat of their pants. They have people planning for this. So they had already planned for people to get service time, obviously. Like, that's not something that's like, oh, well, we haven't planned for everyone to get service time.

It's already in the book. So what do they care? In the grand scheme of things, for them to set baseball back, it's like, we don't need to do that. So here you go. We've already planned for this in our books. But there's always a, but a caveat to that. Once you help somebody out, like they did, we do. with the players association because they had power to say,

eh, we're probably not going to give you guys a full service year if we only play 70 games. They had the power to do that and they didn't. Now, we're finding out the reason why, and I don't believe this is public. But when guys do come back for games, if they do, they will not be getting full salaries. I've heard through the grapevine, through one of my little birdies, that they'll be playing at a fraction of their contract because of the fact that there will be no fans in the stands, no concessions, no parking.

A lot of the things that these teams rely on for their income are not going to be there. So when they come back, players are going to be playing for a fraction of their contracts, and now I'm starting to think, like you're saying, Jake, is it worth it for the players to be playing two double-headers a week, putting themselves at injury risk? when you have a long-term contract like Garrett Cole does,

I don't know if I want to be pitching on short rest or if I want to be playing with makeshift facilities where I'm not getting treated how I'm used to being treated. My body might act differently. So when you get this news, now I'm starting to think, I'm getting a little bit more pessimistic by the day because the money was the thing that was pushing this forward. And now if the money's off,

I think there's not a lot of steam behind getting this year. Well, it's kind of just, it's a logistical nightmare because what we had talked about and what I was saying is if there's no fans, owners aren't making the same amount of money and they're not going to want to do that. So now with this info, seems like that's correct. And owners are like, well, hold on. We may play with no fans, but there's no way we pay the player salaries fully, fully, because then that's a way different profit than us. so it sounds like the owners got over that obstacle, but that creates another obstacle for the players where now you had players gung-ho to play

and owners kind of scared about the revenue. And now if the owners figure that out and they pay less, then we get into the, okay, well now it's a whole new ballgame for the players. It's just a very crazy situation with tons of obstacles. And that's all I've been like thinking about. Like there's so many things for the people that say, just figure it out. They want to play and the owners want to play and the fans want games. Just figure it out is not easy to figure this thing out.

No, it's not. The only thing I have on my BS meter there is a couple things with A, the service time, if you go back and when we originally talked about this was, again, I think that kind of landed in the corona pandemic spectrum because imagine if they came out and they said the opposite. If they said, nope, we're not a crew in service time. I mean, that's just messed up. And guys age and get older. And it's a young man sport.

So I think we're getting away from that mindset a little bit. Another thing on my BS meter there is, you know, you mentioned that these owners already have their books planned. These owners are very smart people. And I don't think they're just going to say, you know, in theory, what you're saying is that they planned on spending that money, let's spend it, where the other side of that would be they could still save some of their money, and these are all very smart businessmen that like to take care of their money.

So that's smoking on the BS meter for me. And the other thing that ties into this, as you mentioned, the loss in concessions and everything else, that could affect the player's paychecks. There could also be new TV deals that come from this Corona, if they were to figure it out in mid-July, and baseball is kind of the only thing going, that they will get a partnership with either ESPN or with one of the major networks

to show some of these new games that we didn't have scheduled, and that'll create a new revenue stream there. So I think what you're saying has something to it, but the full story doesn't add up for me. Well, there's just still a lot of obstacles because, like... There's so many obstacles. TV, it's unreal. The thing about the service time,

what I'm saying is they are, I mean, They never even thought that, hey, next year, we're going to get these guys at the same exact service time as they were last year. Or a half of what the service time. That never crossed their mind. They've planned that Loogie Betts was going to be a free agent. They planned that the player that they're looking at, which they already are looking at guys who they want to sign. They mapped out their free agent signings and the money on the books with the service time. So if now, oh, you know, we have Glaber for that 10th, that next year.

oh shit we also have col and stands now like our whole book is messed up like they plan out and and if they went to battle with the players association about this service time it'd be a long battle because that was huge for the players to not stop service time then we're going to see that spill right over into the cba talks and it might not even get to talks it might just be like no we're done like end of this agreement, hold out, strike. Sorry about it. You guys didn't work with us when you could have worked with us. So I think it was more like, well, we already planned for it.

We're going to act like we're actually giving them something when we don't really care about it because we've already planned for it. So we're going to say, oh yeah, look, we made our concession. Now, guess what? Your turn. I mean, that's easy for them. I'd love to see the ripple effects of if service time got pushed. and like where on the luxury tax like who's like you know who gets over the limit now because they have a free agent on the books and this new another year of service time you know where they thought

they were planning on this dude being a free agency and leaving i there's got to be some situation where it's weird or or some owner was like oh shit that fucks up our 2021 we now we have way too much money on the books here just there's a lot of ripple effects i'm interested in in in all of them guess, good and bad. Have we, have we, I haven't seen this. I'm going to ask you guys. Have you seen anything that talks about if we don't have a season this year? Does everybody reset under the competitive tax balance?

Because they didn't pay, obviously the payroll wasn't there. So do you reset it? Well, I didn't see that either. I would guess yes. I would guess that's kind of cool too. That changes everything. I think the one thing. thing I read and I might be misremembering.

I think I did read that they wouldn't get another year added, but they're at the same point as they were coming in. It would just freeze it. That makes kind of sense. So like, like Yankees went back over for one year. They'd still be at like the one year over level of penalties. But I'll go see if I can find that again. Yeah, that makes sense.

If the season gets banged, the race to find out, okay, who's a free agent and who, what team needs people now if the season just gets banged is, is kind of crazy because it will be like oh the whole free agency thing is like you know everything got jumped ahead two off seasons in a row basically

yes well not even basically two off seasons in a row it's a weird it's a weird time in baseball obviously like the fact that we're diving this deep into the economics

of the sport is funny to me you know we want to just talk about the games Like, I just wish we were going to talk about who was in front in AEO East, why the Yankees have stumbled so far. Man, Garrett Cole doesn't look that good. I would love to be talking about stuff like that.

Instead, we're going in and trying to figure out what these owners are thinking. Should the twins be sellers at the deadline? Back after this. I wish we could talk about something. Is Trevor Pluth one of the top 1,500 players in baseball? We find out after break. You know it. BPD is working on a list.

1,500 people. Yeah. Well, like I said, with Kendall on, I didn't make a 40-man roster last year, so that's 1,200 people right there. Right, but there's some logistic stuff there. I mean, teams have to keep some of their young prospects on the 40-man to protect them. If it's just straight-talking skill, I'm 100% there. Oh, yeah.

If it's just top 40 dudes to put on a baseball field, you're golden. Yeah. But I'm not going to beat out the 22-year-old who has loads of potential. Swinging? Yeah. No, I'm so out. Just swing the stick. What happens? Just bring a wooden bat that you don't care about into the pool with you.

Go into the deep end and do some underwater cuts when you're hanging out with your kids in the pool. I have a funny story about that. So back in the day in high school, me and one of my best friends on the baseball team, we go on this local public TV show. and they start asking my friend about like hey have you been training like working to get ready for this next season and for some reason this guy just like totally got stumped with that question and I can see like the gears turning in his head and he kind of like blanks and looks around he goes yeah I've been doing some running under and then I'm like what's he going to say right here you

I've been doing some running underwater and he's just getting into a kid. keeps going and I kind of look at him like what the fuck are you talking about running underwater this is in 2003 dude okay and he's like I don't know afterwards I was like what you what do you talk about you running underwater bro and he's like I have no idea that just came out of my mouth like I don't froze up there wasn't even such thing as like underwater treadmills since then and later he's like I just saw a picture of like Baham and Oli doing like his punches underwater and I just like thought of that so I just said it and turns out of out, like he was kind of a genius. They started making

like underwater treadmails and like these workouts that take like the zero gravity workouts. But this was in 2003 is way ahead of his time. It was just like a really funny thing. He just completely made it up. So I'll paint a scene for all the listeners out there. Your wife comes home from groceries shopping, right? The kids are in the backyard. She walks out to the backyard. She says, Teddy, where's your dad?

And Teddy just points to the deep end. And you see some bubble. and then up pops you in full uniform batting gloves, wooden bat. You were just getting your Shane Falco on down there, just taking some hacks. End scene. End scene. And scene.

That's the picture I painted for the viewers, listeners. Well, it's not going to happen. I do. I do have the pool heated right now. So I could just hop right in there. Get in there. What's tidbit number two? Tidbit number two.

And this one, Man, I'm kind of reluctant to share this a little bit because I have no idea if it's true, so I have to say allegedly. Perfect. Okay. I don't want to get us in trouble. Does this one deserve a drum roll, you think?

No, it's pretty obvious. I think when I say, you're like, oh, yeah, duh. Okay. So, and I'm just going to, I'm going to pose it as a question. And I think you guys are going to get the right answer. The proposal, the Arizona proposal, we heard it was leaked. That's what everyone's saying. Because clearly, like, MLB is not going to, like, just release that.

I think the next day they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we didn't want that out. Yeah, and their reaction, yeah, of course. Seems like it was leaked. So, who do you think leaked it? I think the Arizona owner leaked it. The guy who owns the state of Arizona. That's my official guess. O'Dales Perez is looking to get back in the news cycle.

Jake was a little closer. I think I would guess the commissioner leaked it because it seems like we said they don't do focus groups. They just use the public. Jim's a big baseball leak stuff all the time guy. I think MLB leak stuff nonstop. Yeah. Well, then there you just got a little closer,

but I would go opposite end of the spectrum. My little birdies have told me that it was none other than the Scott Boris. Oh. Boris with the AZ plan. What does he have to win or lose? But that doesn't make sense because that means, Heyman got him going that means he would have posted the article and not passing he could switch up

your game and the reason the way i'm thinking about and this is all alleged scott if you're watching the show he probably watches this show if i had to guess god he's watching this show he tries to sign me all the time yeah so pool boy needs a pool boy he sent his brother to interview me when i was interviewing or when i was interviewing agents jeff boris king and not Scott. Out. Out. You're out.

Oh. Instant. Yeah. Anyways. So I have no ill will. Do you think, what do you think Jeff's turn down rate is? Like, do you think Jeff Boris knows that he gets sent just to hear the word no? Like, is he the guy on the MTV next bus?

Like Jeff shows up and the player's just like, nah. If someone signs with Jeff Boris, I think he pops champagne. Well, it's not. like a him or scott it's like he's representing the company i understand but if he goes back to scott and says hey i signed him i think scott's actually mad at him like you're not supposed to do that you collect my nose all i know is he sent him i have no ill will towards scott boris this is only information i'm passing along okay the reason i think he was because how stupid that plan was and jeff told you this who jeff boris he's the one that told you

do this. Jeff leaked it. But the reason I think that he did is because it was stupid. And he doesn't like his players playing for less money. You know, the Players Association guaranteed whatever the amount of money was for two months to be split amongst the teams. It's obviously a fraction of what the actual payrolls are in the MLB. And guess what?

Players get paid? Scott gets paid. that's just how it works so players aren't getting paid Scotty ain't making money he had a billion dollar off season he's not seeing any of that why don't we just have Passanon

and ask him hey did that get leaked to you via Scott Boris it could have been leaked to someone to Jeff you know there's a lot of us to get this info out right now Heyman was the middleman

who's correct is is Hayman Boris's like little henchman yes I want to say this. Like not even in disguise. What's that? Heyman is Boris's mouthpiece, not even in disguise.

Like it is so obvious. But anyway, what were you saying? I'm saying that we're not owned by anybody. All our opinions and thoughts are our own. And if somebody tells us something, we'll let you know that it didn't come from us. Like right now. That's true.

And welcome aboard officially. Do you guys think that's a weird thing? or do you think that's just like par for the course? I think that, I mean, things get leaked all the time. And yeah, I mean, who knows who leaked it? I mean, it could be Manfred saying, hey, float this out there. We want to hear what people have to say about this. It could be Boris saying,

can someone please tell him or be there dumb and make sure this doesn't happen because it messes with his money? I mean, it could be a lot of things. And there's a lot of reasons why it makes sense. Like, it makes so much sense to use the press as your tool. You know what I mean? Of course that happens. But where's, and first of all, I sat like this to stretch my neck,

and now I look just absolutely roped up. I just got the fingers under the bicep the right way, and my forehams are popping, so that's pretty huge for the YouTube. Following up, okay, what's Scott Boris's end game? to not have that happen. To get paid. Yeah. So him leaking that, how does that get us quicker to playing baseball, which gets him paid?

Just showing that the plan is ridiculous so they can tighten it up around the edges or so we can start getting another plan. What's Boris's end game? To get paid what he's worth. See, guys would rather get paid what they're worth than just make chump change in the meantime. So he would rather skip this season and get paid in full so that he can, go forward making what he's worth, then take a half cut for a couple months. I think that's, that's, that's the thing. Well, I don't know because he wouldn't get paid in full.

The season's gone. Nobody gets paid. So guys aren't, like, there's people. So you think Scott Boris would rather not get any money than get money? Yes, because the value-wise moving forward. He wants to get paid what it's, and he wants his players to get paid in full. That's the whole thing we opened up with the first tidbit. If guys aren't going to make their full salary, they might just say, fuck this.

And that's what Boris is saying. I mean, yeah, it's, it's, I think you're going to see a split on that with players. Like, I think most guys are like, fuck, I got to, I got to, I think it's the guys who are sitting pretty and the guys who are not. Even the guys sitting pretty, I mean, a guy that's scheduled to make 20 million this year. If you're just seeing 20 mil go out the window, like, fuck, like, let me reach and grab a few of those mills. Like, let me. And let's say it is a half season. I mean, let's do the 20 mil guy.

if it's an 81 game season, I mean, 10 million to play half a baseball season. That's what I'm saying is it's not going to be pro-rated like that. That was my first tip of it. I guess we need to see how that actually comes out because like we said, I think there will be other ways to counteract some of that money lost. So what does that end up looking like? Yeah. But I mean, I can see both thought process, but I can see a guy saying either pay me what I'm

worth or I'll wait until you pay me. I mean, there's a reason guys go on strike. But think about what you're saying about Scott Boris. You think he'd rather not get half of what he normally collects on it. What does Scott Boris make in a year? He had a billion dollar off. I think he's a man, a principal more... Or five percent depending on anything.

Well, I can understand both sides is what I'm saying. I understand if he's like, I'll take anything. I can also understand he's like, fuck that. It's almost no skin off his back. I mean, if Scott Boris gets half a season of other guys playing baseball, Scott Boris can make... Say he makes 50 million a year. I think that numbers might even be low.

But if guys play baseball, he can make $25 million. Scott Boris wants the $25 million. But also, you have to understand, like, you have to acknowledge that. Scott Boris can be saying, you pay my players exactly what they're worth or we're not playing at all. Like that, he is a guy, he's an agent. He represents the players. So, like, that thought process makes sense that he would also say that. Also, he wants to protect, like, look, Scott gets a bad rap and it's all we ever

talked about with him is money. Sign him, Scott. He has to protect his players, too. I mean, that's, if he doesn't protect his players, then he doesn't have a job. Okay, like, it's not all about contract negotiations. It's, can I protect my players? And what I'm seeing and hearing is guys are worried about how, you know, their bodies are going to hold up in a season like this.

If we're talking about a double header every week or two double headers every week and we're not going to have our full facility. So how are we going to get things done? And we're going to have a limited staff on hand. I might not be able to get my work in like I usually can. And if I go do that for a fraction of the money and I end up getting hurt because of it, because this is not the way I've tuned my body for years, then what are we doing? Like, why am I going to take the chance to hurt myself?

And then in the future, when things are hopefully back to normal, I'm done. Yeah. So he has a responsibility to protect his players in that regard as well. And it's, it's, you know, he's incentivized to do that for a lot of different reasons. Yeah. Both sides make sense to me. It makes sense that he would leak it. And if anything else, it could just be a strong arm.

Like, hey, if you're not paying us, if you're not prorating us exactly what they deserve, then we're not playing. Like, I mean, as an agent, that seems like a really good. The, the fraction slash the percentage. is the big detail there. Yeah. Yeah. Those are my tidbits, guys. Nice tidbits, Trev.

Good tidbits, Trev. Really well done. Sign him, Scott. We got to half hour. You want to talk a little bit more? You got Stroman wanting to beat up that NASCAR driver. Before we get there, I found the luxury tax thing. All right.

It's basically what I said. If there's a partial season, the actual penalty is prorated as far as the actual money they owe, which I don't think we care about. If there is no season this year, no team would owe luxury tax, but the rates would not reset. So they're using the Yankees in this example. It would be considered a second time offender in 2021. That makes sense.

To give people like, all right, you got under this year would be huge. And they wouldn't play. They would not fucking play. If those teams were like, we're going to reset, they would just be like, okay. Yeah. And guys will get paid. that's true if they were like yeah if there's no season we reset the tax a lot of owners would be like

cool yeah let's not play then and i'll go spend a lot in the off season to be wild but yeah good on them that makes a lot of sense any any decision that's actually been made has been pretty logical so far everything else has been flying off the deep end yeah not a lot of decisions made. I mean... You can't. We're all waiting. We're all waiting.

Can I ask you guys something? Please. Okay. I don't... I don't... I'm a positive guy here. Say it. I'm a positive guy.

Yep. I don't like bringing people down or industries down. Unless they need... That's what they call you. Come at me. A lot of people are saying I'm very positive. BDP. BD.

Did you got... Like, we all... We always applaud the NBA. They're first and everything. You know, they're very progressive. Adam Silver, this, Adam Silver, that they promote their players. Look at this incredible idea for horrors. Did you guys watch it?

Oh, yeah. Jake did. I did not. But I watched, I skimmed through one of them on YouTube. We talked a little bit out that, I mean, I had zero interest anyway. But I also thought it would be. be what I said, Trev, is like, people who play horse isn't a 100% enjoyment rate when you're playing it. Like, there's always like, let's just make this out or pig, not horse. Like, come on,

just make one get this over with. So, like, I thought it was set up to be pretty brutal from the start. I was all about it because in my mind, I might look, we got some older guys, some younger guys. Older guys are going to be doing like half court shots. The young guys are doing like especially sack levine i'm going to be doing between the legs 360 windmill dunks and like it's going to be awesome they're all going to be in this gym like a there's separate gyms but like they'll be in a basketball gym somewhere i thought they'd have cameras set up so it's kind of like they produce it's ESPN in the NBA in the wmBA i watched the first one with trey young and chauncey billups and i wanted to throw up because it was like watching the Blair witch

project but like with worse with like bad Wi-Fi the camp the cameras were so horrible tray young was playing on a child's basketball net with a like a broken string hanging down it was lopsided it was windy outside Chauncey billups had a nice court but again like the pictures it was the worst thing i've ever seen we're four dummies right here producing a show and we absolutely kill them as far as like production value i don't understand who green lit that but I couldn't stand watching it and it was so disappoints me because we always do think the NBA is like doing things the right way you know they've done it and this sounded like a good idea but man they screwed it up so badly yeah and I think the the finger might not even be

at the NBA Treve and I know the first part of that speech was you know the NBA gets too much love probably, mostly just juxtaposed to the other commissioners. But I think it's on ESPN. Because ESPN, like you're saying, the production value was zero. I kept saying it looked, I lost John when I was saying it, but it looked like they drew pictures on a napkin, and like those were the images. I mean, it was just pathetic.

Like you're saying, I mean, we've been in this for a little bit, and I think you might have called us idiots or something in there, which thank you. But yeah, no, the fact that they didn't either send them like better wireless hookups or they didn't send them an actual video camera. Here's a really long Ethernet cord and here's a laptop. Film it on this. Hold the laptop. You'll be plugged in.

Like we've seen some guys, I think with you and some guests that have called and they've used iPads and we've been like, wow, that iPad camera is actually pretty crispy. That's not bad. The fact that they didn't do any of that is pathetic. Oh, they could have done an iPad, Ethernet into an iPad. You're right.

They could have done anything instead of what they did. And that's the part that's shocking, which again, I don't know if it falls on NBA or ESPN. I think they felt like, hey, people just want sports to watch anything. And it was like,

eh, nah. Yeah. Not anything. And as Trevor mentioned, there was parts of the concept that they totally screwed up. Like if they had Zach Levine out there,

they should have had him versus Aaron Gordon. So if they wanted to do dunks, they could do dunks. If they wanted to do reverse three-point shots or whatever, they could do it. Instead, it was him versus Paul Pierce, and there was a no dunking rule, and Zach Levine slapped the backboard on one side and did a reverse layup, and he was against Paul Pierce who can barely move. And so Paul Pierce, like, touched the little rubber part

under the backboard and then just chucked it up and hit the bottom of the hoop. And he's like, that's a letter, huh? So it's, I mean, they, again, it's the concept that they were looking to do something. I mean, I'm going to assume NBA might have made a little K-So off of it, but production-wise, I'll point the finger at Espin there because it was, it was, it's unwatchable. It was unwatchable. Unwatchable.

One hundred percent. God. Sorry, I had to go. I had to go off on that because. I appreciate you, King. I got a little, the juices were flowing a little bit. I said those sports are on, you know. I don't really ever watch the NBA during the regular season.

I don't think really anybody does. It's one of the most pointless regular seasons in all the sports. But I was excited to watch this, and then I turned it on. And immediately, I was like, this is, it was like watching a YouTube video from 2007. Yeah. So, I'm out. Out. Treves out.

Damn. Any final notes, Jay? Like? Not really. I'm kind of liking Trevor's Trevor's shirt hat combo. He's been very matchy lately, Treve. Yeah.

You've been matching your shirts and your hats. Is this something that you always do? This is interesting because this don't match at all. And on camera they kind of do like this hat is tan. Like a sand color in my shirt is like mustard yellow. They look like you tried to match them, but they don't really match. I'm going to show you. you guys a little naked woman.

Okay. Oh, wow. Talking baseball first. Again, you can't prove to me that's a woman. I can't. Yeah, you're right. Thank you. And also, Trev, congrats on the official announcement, part of John Boy Media announcement

announced. That was, thank you. Someone wrote that that was about the 24th time we've announced it. Mm-hmm. which to that person I say, just relax. And let me have my shine. If you listen to the pod, it was announced a lot. If you just a random follow on Twitter, it doesn't.

Yeah. And surprisingly, people were nice to me. And I was expecting a lot of hate maybe because that's what the internet is. But people were nice about it. So that made me feel good. Good job, the people. Drink any good bruise? You still frothing your coffee?

Like, what's going on with you, dude? I mean, yeah, I've been having beer, but nothing crazy. In California right now, and I've actually told you guys this, pretty much wherever you are, whatever state you're in, you can now get delivery from your local breweries. So the entire state of California, I can get beer from, all these different breweries. So I've been kind of doing that. I've been ordering from this one brewery up in Oakland. and they sent a case of beer down.

And for you guys, actually this T-shirt- Are they delivering that far? Yeah. That's crazy. I thought you meant like the local liquor store was driving a teenager to your house. So for you guys, this actually, this T-shirt is from Grimm,

and they are a brewery in Brooklyn, who I love. Maybe my top brewery in the entire country. Is that who you send us a link to? Because that was a classic, I would love to click this and do it, but I'm absolutely not gonna. But I want.

to. You should. Okay. I mean, it's really... Jim, well. I got three beers in my fridge right now. Want to what they are? Yes.

They're all the same. Rec League. Have you heard of that? I have. It's a bud light that tastes like an IPA. So it's like a session IPA. Whatever. Same calories is like a bud light,

3.8%. So it's not crazy. That was a big movement a while back. Session IPAs worth. the thing because it went like as hoppy as you can get it and then it went to like triple IPA so we need the booze in there and then people are like well I like I like these but if I drink if I drink down full and I'm fat so then people are like right let's make session IPAs where you

still get the aroma and the taste of the hops but with less alcohol I we went to a wedding in Maine where they had them and I enjoyed it because you can drink a lot and there's actually a flavor to it instead of, I don't mind Bud Light either, but there's not a flavor there really. Well, do yourself a favor. And, you know, I know we have a lot of listeners in the New York area. So if you're in the state of New York, we'll give a little plug to Grimm because I've always liked them. Grim. Wherever you're at.

Go order beer from your local breweries. Our New Mexico listener named Keith, he can go get him. What? Just letting Keith in New Mexico. now that he can go get him as well. I'm trying to think about any breweries in New Mexico. I feel like I probably have. There's got to be some in Taos.

Sober State. I'm going to cue up the outro music. Albuquerque brewing. And then BBD, you give those last words you said you really wanted to give. BPD. No thanks. Okay. All right.

That's the show. He's been getting shine lately with his little home play. Shining hard. Yeah. Been fun. Beautiful. Thank you.